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Title: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on March 20, 2022, 12:19:22 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on March 20, 2022, 12:55:14 PM
The position we need, good player and that seems a fair price in todays market. Can’t help thinking there is better elsewhere though for the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 20, 2022, 01:15:33 PM
Didn’t Brighton want £50 million for Yves Bissouma ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 20, 2022, 01:20:33 PM
£60 million for Phillips is scandalous, a good player and exactly what we need but come on, £60 million is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 20, 2022, 01:26:06 PM
There’s got to be better value for money than that elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2022, 02:42:52 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player. I’ve seen lots say Mings is not good enough for the next step and he cost a small fortune.

So I guess if we want players for the next stage it’s going to cost ridiculous sums. Or we go down the route we’ve been on already and take a punt on younger players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 03:01:03 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player. I’ve seen lots say Mings is not good enough for the next step and he cost a small fortune.

So I guess if we want players for the next stage it’s going to cost ridiculous sums. Or we go down the route we’ve been on already and take a punt on younger players.

Bentancur has looked decent for Spurs so far and he was only 20 quid....sorry 20m ish. Mid 20s, lots of caps for Uruguay who are top nation in world football and regular for Juventus over last few seasons so they are out there although Gerrard does seem to want prem ready players and that has the same pros and cons as the MON era.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on March 20, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Regardless of the price and the value*, he will go elsewhere than Villa. We are a stalking horse on this one, I suspect.




*As others have said, there has to be better value out there than this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2022, 03:36:37 PM
We are going to buy one, possibly two players in that position. It will all be about giving Coutinho all the protection he needs to do his thing and not have to exhaust himself coming back to defend. The way Liverpool set up allows the front three to be lethal and I can see Gerrard liking that formation. That or how West Ham completely dominated our midfield the other day. That’s the way to play in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 03:40:09 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Regardless of the price and the value*, he will go elsewhere than Villa. We are a stalking horse on this one, I suspect.




*As others have said, there has to be better value out there than this.

Wouldn't shock me if Newcastle went for him. Also talk of West Ham if Rice moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 20, 2022, 03:43:17 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 20, 2022, 07:12:38 PM
Think the outgoing players pretty much choose themselves this summer:
- AEG (to ??)
- Trez (to Turkey)
- Targett (to Newcastle)
- Ash Young (end of contract)

Then a few maybes:
- Traore isn't suited to our style, and was of debatable utility under Smith's
- Sanson doesn't seem to be rated, could see him going out on loan
- Davis (to Forest if they get promoted)

I think any more would be seen as too big a turnover and would only happen if we got offered silly money.

Incoming:

One central midfielder, a Bissouma type, is surely nailed on this summer. We've all noticed it for ages, we were after Bissouma in January, ... I can't see it not happening really.

Think we might sign another similar midfielder if we can get Sanson out on loan. Or maybe even if we can't.

Think we might see a striker come in. Also got a sneaking feeling that Mings might be replaced. I love him to bits, but he does strike me as a player who's probably not going to play any higher than where we are now.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on March 20, 2022, 07:14:59 PM
Find the new Andy Townsend/George Boateng. He has to be out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 20, 2022, 07:20:12 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.
Title: TRe: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on March 20, 2022, 07:21:25 PM
A Kevin Richardson will do for me. Would never be the crowd’s favourite but we’d miss him when he wasn’t playing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 20, 2022, 07:35:00 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
To be fair - its only the last 18 months that were bad.  Think the previous summer was good, and wesley and engles aside most of the promotion cohort have done ok
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 20, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
To be fair - its only the last 18 months that were bad.  Think the previous summer was good, and wesley and engles aside most of the promotion cohort have done ok
I have no problem overall with the recruitment since NSWE took charge. But now if we want to make the next step up then recruitment needs to be at the highest level. We have the youth to enhance sustainability and unearth the odd gem. Phillips is one of those that would make us a lot stronger in an area we are lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 20, 2022, 08:26:03 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)

Yes please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on March 20, 2022, 08:49:30 PM
This would be a good signing if we could get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2022, 09:35:59 PM
He’s superb, he’s nearly up there with Rice, not quite but close.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 20, 2022, 09:59:42 PM
A player like this is exactly what we need. We’ll need to pay a premium for someone like that but to me it’s a must. 

I think we last few windows we have worried too much about value - bissoma, ESR, and JWP we never have been prepared to do what it takes.  But we have spent 120m on sanson, Emi, ings and Bailey - of which none are now guaranteed starters - we need to get players that are head and shoulders above what we’ve got now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2022, 01:18:58 AM
If we had offers for Luiz in Jan close to £30m as rumoured, I kinda wish we had taken it. Sanson would have performed better and Luiz may not sign/be offered a new contract in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 21, 2022, 09:42:52 AM
Phillips, Coutinho, Haaland and Suarez and I'd be happy. Would cost less than we spent in 2019.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on March 21, 2022, 09:43:02 AM
I don't think £60m is scandalous.  It's a big fee, but he's an England international and incredibly highly thought of by his current club.

If we were to sell McGinn or Ramsey people would be quoting £50m +, we'd want £40-£50m for Konsa or Cash.  If Leeds are prepared to sell and he wants to leave I reckon they'll get the £60m or close to it.

As for him coming to us, it feels unlikely to me.  But I have heard Gerrard REALLY wants him.  I think we have shifted our thinking on wages and would be prepared to offer him a big package, so it's just whether the draw of playing for Gerrard and with the likes of Coutinho would appeal to him.  I don't think he would go to Man Utd with the rivalry, but I could see Arsenal being interested, particulaly if they secure top 4.

I like him a lot, but one thing that does concern me is he wouldn't add to the size of the team, which Gerrard mentioned as an issue after thge West Ham game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 21, 2022, 09:48:49 AM
I think £60m is about fair for Phillips.  It's a huge price tag, don't get me wrong, but if you want players to compete at the top end of the table, that's the sort of prices you're going to end up paying.

Not saying for one minute that we should abandon the bargain buy strategy.  We've already shown twice in January that there's bargains to be had that can improve both the first team (Coutinho, assuming we sign him) and the general squad strength (Chambers).  But you'd also say that - pick a random player from the first team of a mid-table club.  They're going to cost you about £25m-£40m.  If you keep buying players in that kind of price bracket, then with a few odd exceptions you're going to end up with a mid-table quality squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on March 21, 2022, 10:06:26 AM
Phillips would be a great buy and we could add Loftus-Cheek for a bit of bulk with a fair amount of skill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.

It seems like we are alone in this but I’m guessing we are not.  But if you take two or three recent examples.  Olise and Eze cost much less for Palace than Bailey did for us and I was urging us to go for Olise at the time. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on March 21, 2022, 10:40:32 AM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.

It seems like we are alone in this but I’m guessing we are not.  But if you take two or three recent examples.  Olise and Eze cost much less for Palace than Bailey did for us and I was urging us to go for Olise at the time.

The issue with someone like Olise is he’s in the same bracket as Ramsey, an up and coming young player who will play well in patches but then give you 3 or 4 game where  it isnt happening and you have to patient through that learning process.

That said I would concur that Bailey hasn’t been worth the money so far and there’s now a question mark if he can function in an SG team as he was bought specifically for the way we played under DS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on March 21, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 21, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.

Yeah that's fair enough. He's had awful luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2022, 11:22:36 AM
Like Traore though, he doesn't seem to have a football brain for the Premier League. They both make the wrong decision way too often and that's not something fitness will fix.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 21, 2022, 04:39:25 PM
I haven't given up on Bailey, in fact if we get Coutinho and we have the same as we have now, Ings, Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, Traore, Buendia for 3 positions we'll be very strong there. If Coutinho doesn't sign i'd get an alternative but the main aim has to be to bulk out that central midfield with players that can control the game from there. A couple can go and we can bring a couple of new ones in. Get that right and the forwards will benefit as they should see more of the ball. Phillips would be top of my list even at £60m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2022, 05:20:16 PM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.

we are all really excited when he joined and we know he has ability and bags of pace. I would love to see him playing the Salah role down the right in a front three
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 21, 2022, 06:43:42 PM
Phillips would be a great buy and we could add Loftus-Cheek for a bit of bulk with a fair amount of skill.

Loftus-Cheek doesn't use his bulk from what I've seen. A bit of a nothing player, definitely not the ball winner we need  Phillips will have his pick of clubs higher up the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 22, 2022, 08:04:33 PM
If we were looking at upgrading with a new striker I think Patrick Schick would be quite useful both in a 2 up top or on his own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on March 22, 2022, 10:57:59 PM
The #6 is the key position to be filled but it will be very interesting after the international break to see how Nakamba does for rest of season…if he comes back and shows the form he did before his injury it becomes a case of buying competition for him, if he comes back at the level Douglas has been in that role then potentially we want 2 in.

I think Kalvin Phillips is a cracking player but he has missed a lot of football injured this season so like Nakamba it’ll be interesting to see how he finishes season.  Bissouma, if he is any way still under investigation by police I would hope we won’t touch with a bargepole….not fully convinced he is the #6 we need….like others have said there has to be better VfM in the big European leagues.

Fascinated by this summer, I suspect the performances vs Watford / Newcastle / Arsenal etc will be the ones that Gerrard uses to judge his players for the ones he wants around him going forward - for me we lack leaders, we lack height and when the going gets tough we lack physical dominance.  Of the usual starters I think Martinez / Digne & Ramsey apart all are vulnerable to be replaced / upgraded / sold even Cash / McGinn or Mings if Gerrard wants others in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on March 23, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
It would be great if we sign Coutinho and Phillips this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on March 23, 2022, 02:34:22 PM
I don't know where all this talk of Phillips has come from, but there is zero chance of us signing him this summer.  If he becomes available - even if Leeds stay up it's still a BIG if - then he'll have his pick of clubs competing in Europe, and it will be six months before the World Cup.  There is absolutely no chance he leaves Leeds to go to a club without European football.

Bissouma is much more likely, but I'll be honest, he hasn't impressed me in the times I've seen him play since we were linked late last year.

Personally, I'd rather we tried playing with ONE proper DM, before we switch to a formation where we play with two of them.  We might get to see that again if Marv gets back to a decent fitness level quickly, but I still think our midfield three all suffer from a lack of proper DM.  Let's correct that first, and see if the performances of the other two improve as a result.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
Surely in that context there would have been no chance of us tempting and very possibly signing Coutinho. At 29 surely he has any number of better football options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 23, 2022, 02:44:58 PM
Surely in that context there would have been no chance of us tempting and very possibly signing Coutinho. At 29 surely he has any number of better football options.

I think the difference is there that Phil has been there and won everything there is to win, and maybe now just wants to enjoy playing his football. Kalvin Phillips is 26, the same age as Greasy, and is probably at a similar stage where he wants to go on and play in Europe and be in the hunt to win things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 23, 2022, 03:34:02 PM
I actually think both are unlikely, Phillips even more so for the reasons mentioned. The thing i'm clinging onto with Coutinho is the Gerrard connection and that he's enjoying his time here. We'll see, they'd be great signings obviously but i can't see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 23, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
So I think Phillips falls into the ESR, Bissoma and JWP category.

We are interested in them - its unlikely to happen - but it gets "leaked" so people can see our ambition, and the wages etc we are willing to offer.

That then means other players sit up and take notice - cos they see were trying to go places and have money, and can see the calibre of players we are after

Its based on nothing other than the fact that when we want to we do deals in complete silence, so if people know of our interest its because we want them to.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 23, 2022, 11:09:42 PM
The next transfer window needs to be the one where we stop just being linked with £50 million+ quality players and start actually signing. This Board have yet to let us down so I'm hoping some of the more cynical fans will be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on March 23, 2022, 11:46:03 PM
Traore is a luxury player, has a lot of talent but doesn't ever seem to break sweat. Bailey is harder to judge with all his injuries. I believe we will be suprised by the players that will be moved on, Gerrard has intimated that some of the players will not follow his instuctions and have very little self belief.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 24, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
I don't think any of the top teams will feel they need Phillips. He's good, I really rate him, but I don't think he'd improve any of them. What he could do though is help a side a step below that level attempt to climb said step. And unlike with our approaches for ESR, JWP and Bissouma, our target this time is more likely to not be enticed to stay put solely by improved terms from his current employer. If they stay up, I can't see Leeds being any better next season. I think we've a very good chance of getting him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 24, 2022, 07:14:36 AM
Traore is a luxury player, has a lot of talent but doesn't ever seem to break sweat. Bailey is harder to judge with all his injuries. I believe we will be suprised by the players that will be moved on, Gerrard has intimated that some of the players will not follow his instuctions and have very little self belief.
Yeah, I agree. I've got a feeling that we might be in for an interesting summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on March 24, 2022, 09:43:45 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

We're not though are we really....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 09:44:22 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

We're not though are we really....

No.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 24, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
You think Pogba is going to be our defensive midfield superhero....?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 24, 2022, 10:32:15 AM
If the Villa Management team think that Pogba is the answer to our midfield issues, then we are in serious trouble!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
If the Villa Management team think that Pogba is the answer to our midfield issues, then we are in serious trouble!

But they haven't Sid, so calm down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on March 24, 2022, 11:42:23 AM
I don't think any of the top teams will feel they need Phillips. He's good, I really rate him, but I don't think he'd improve any of them. What he could do though is help a side a step below that level attempt to climb said step. And unlike with our approaches for ESR, JWP and Bissouma, our target this time is more likely to not be enticed to stay put solely by improved terms from his current employer. If they stay up, I can't see Leeds being any better next season. I think we've a very good chance of getting him in.
He'd improve Arsenal.  Kante isn't getting any younger at Chelsea.  He'd also improve Man U but too much rivalry to go there I think.  Klopp may even think he could do the Henderson role at Liverpool.  I would have thought there'd be plenty of takers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on March 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically





Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 25, 2022, 06:45:52 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically







I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 25, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on March 25, 2022, 07:34:47 PM
Personally, I think that all the players we have been "linked" with so far, even Phil, are red herrings and we are being used by players, or more particularly, their agent, as a stalking horse to smoke out interest from other, so called "bigger " clubs to ensure that their assets get a bigger deal and more money so that the agents make more money themselves. Absolutely no chance whatsoever of Coutinho, Phillips etc. coming to us. What do we have to offer them? Mid-table mediocrity? The jury is still out on Gerrard as far as I'm concerned and he has a long way to go to convince me that he can manage a top club and get them to the higher echelons of the premier league, but at the moment I'm not getting too excited. the summer may be interesting, I agree, but exciting? I'm not too sure. :-\
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 25, 2022, 07:49:38 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D
Yeah stick well clear of this
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 25, 2022, 07:50:15 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 25, 2022, 07:56:12 PM
I think two things - we are being linked with big players if it suits us and aids our reputation

I think the club have a desire to make 1 or 2 statement signings.

We clearly work hard on our signings, like Callum Chambers seems very smart work.  The summer didnt work out probably cos with Grealish leaving the club wasnt sure where to go so focused on getting in quality palyers rather than strategic signings.

I think a couple of proven players (would love one of them to be Phillipe, the other a really solid midfielder like philips), plus a couple exciting squad players is probably what we need - and to move on some squad players before they lose all their value.

We have had players woefully out of form this season, and we need to be in the position where we can drop those players. 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on March 25, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on March 25, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.
Excellent points made.A midfield comprising McGinn,Ramsey ,Buendia and possibly Coutinho certainly has goals in it.Watkins and Ings cop some flak at times but they are superior to Immobile .
Our massive problem is  a DCM who can bring resistance and control to the midfield.I think you're being unfair on the defence,the midfield hasn't offered much cover.Just like sharing the goals around,other players must havr defensive responsibilities.Back to the need for a DCM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 26, 2022, 01:50:34 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.

Paul Pogba is one of the most overrated players there is. If he can get someone to pay him that much or close to it, more fools them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on March 26, 2022, 02:54:41 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

Is someone honestly paid money to come up with that kind of nonsense? 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2022, 07:52:49 AM
I’ve monitored his position position at Manchester United, and can confirm that he’s shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on March 26, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

I agree with your points Paul
Maybe it’s the way of the future, You can see even in our own team Watkins and Ings have netted 12 times whereas Coutinho and Ramsey have netted 10, Not the big difference you would expect

Maybe Gerrard had this in mind when we were linked to Suarez, Even though he is 100 years old he could still play as one in a front three
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 26, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
Definitely a case of attitude which is even more so why any team would be daft to pay him 100k a week let alone 500. On his day he’s tremendous but from what I’ve seen of his career ‘his day’ tends to be once in a while for France and that’s about it.
I’ll always be fond of him for one thing though, leaving Man Utd for free to have them re sign him for £90m and him be shit and I suspect causing aggro in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2022, 09:30:05 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.

Paul Pogba is one of the most overrated players there is. If he can get someone to pay him that much or close to it, more fools them.

I can never decide if he's overrated or just one of these players who only looks good when he can be arsed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on March 26, 2022, 09:39:12 AM
Sometimes he looks effortlessly world class, most the times he look effortless.

I'm on the fence with exactly how good he actually is, but what I do know for certain is letting him go for free and then paying £90m to buy him back was even more stupid than spending £85m on Harry Maguire.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on March 26, 2022, 09:52:29 AM
And then letting him go for free again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2022, 10:26:08 AM
He has a ridiculous range and weight of pass when he can be arsed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2022, 10:40:39 AM
A pogba who put in 100% every game and played to instructions would be the perfect centre mid in modern football. You see flashes of it but never gets it right for even a full game. He must be very frustrating to manage and I suspect he doesn't see a problem with how he plays. He reminds me of Balotelli, with all the same problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2022, 10:45:54 AM
Without the ball isn't he worse than Conor Hourihane?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on March 26, 2022, 10:57:59 AM
I might be alone in thinking this...maybe we need to strengthen our defensive midfield (DM) position?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on March 26, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

You’ve pretty much described Keinan Davis with that comment, Paul.

At Forest he’s not scoring loads, but bringing goals to others.

I’m not saying he’s the answer, but we know he can perform well vrs Premier league defenders, he just needs to knock in 10-12 goals a season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 26, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Without the ball isn't he worse than Conor Hourihane?

Pogba was probably the outstanding player in a World Cup winning French side. Brilliant in the semi final and final. But he had grafters next to him in Kante and Matuidu. From what I remember he played a reasonably disciplined role for France back then.

Fell out with Mourinho soon after and I don't think he has been the same player since. I did think it was quite funny near the end of Mourinho's time where he was literally walking around the pitch. Turned it on then nearly immediately when Mourinho left. Hugely talented player but leaving Man United twice on a free says a lot about that club these days and him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Pogba played well for proper teams like Juventus and France. No wonder he doesn't look great playing alongside dross like Sancho and the ghost of Cristiano Ronaldo. Stick him in front of Phillips and alongside Coutinho and Buendia and he will be good. Be difficult to afford him but I would be willing to have everyone's season ticket but mine increase if that helps in any way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2022, 12:12:04 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

You’ve pretty much described Keinan Davis with that comment, Paul.

At Forest he’s not scoring loads, but bringing goals to others.

I’m not saying he’s the answer, but we know he can perform well vrs Premier league defenders, he just needs to knock in 10-12 goals a season

I know, and it wasn't a mistake, if he can stay fit he could be exactly the sort of player for Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, etc to be running off and working over defenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2022, 12:30:36 PM
Let me get this right - we're wondering whether we should sign Pogba to play alongside Coutinho. Something's not right here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on March 26, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on March 26, 2022, 12:59:03 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.

He can’t move swiftly, so why should we do so?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 04:50:06 PM
It's the last thing he'll expect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 26, 2022, 06:01:47 PM
Pogba played well for proper teams like Juventus and France. No wonder he doesn't look great playing alongside dross like Sancho and the ghost of Cristiano Ronaldo. Stick him in front of Phillips and alongside Coutinho and Buendia and he will be good. Be difficult to afford him but I would be willing to have everyone's season ticket but mine increase if that helps in any way.

At Juve he was made to look good by a peak Arturo Vidal and still outstanding Andrea Pirlo. He was very much the third wheel for me. For France, Kante allowed him to play a decent ball every now and again with the work he did on his behalf. But then Kante made Danny Drinkwater a £25m player which tells you something about how good he is.

Pogba is great for a highlights package but he can’t control a game, can’t speed it up and slow it down -things you’d expect from an elite level midfielder. He can’t concentrate for the majority of a game and is quite often lacking in discipline-both in himself and tactically. The odd decent pass or goal seems to be enough to reinforce in his head that he’s on a different level. He never seems to realise that the best do it more consistently-even in the same game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2022, 06:11:52 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.

He can’t move swiftly, so why should we do so?

If we can't do it whilst he's old, when can we do it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
Pogba is an attitude problem on legs.

If he can't get himself in the right mindset to play for Man United, what's he going to be like here?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on March 26, 2022, 08:20:00 PM
I'd like to think we've learnt outr lesson with that type of character. Spreads like a cancer. Ask Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2022, 09:11:51 PM
Let me get this right - we're wondering whether we should sign Pogba to play alongside Coutinho. Something's not right here.
It’s a bit embarrassing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on March 27, 2022, 07:57:35 AM
For what pogba would cost, bellingham would be a better option. Assuming either would even consider us!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 27, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
Paul Pogba would be a shambles of a signing. Not doubting he has talent but he simple doesn’t have the work rate or attitude for what Gerrard is trying to build here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 27, 2022, 08:37:39 AM
Paul Pogba would be a shambles of a signing. Not doubting he has talent but he simple doesn’t have the work rate or attitude for what Gerrard is trying to build here.

I heard a commentator say we were 20th for pressing, so is he asking them to work hard?  The full-backs certainly have a lot on their plate but if we are bottom of the pressing league the others cannot be running about that much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 27, 2022, 09:11:27 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2022, 01:08:09 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Let's be carefully clear boys and girls, cnuts are still running the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2022, 01:54:36 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 02:09:41 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

not got much to do with Villa or the summer transfer window though, so maybe in off topic? Whereas a news article linking us with a summer move for a player seems like something that fits pretty well in this thread, even if we think it's a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on March 27, 2022, 03:46:09 PM
At some point Villa will need to act like an ‘elite’ club and sign players that we don’t think would come.  I hope that player isn’t Paul fucking Pogba, who’s picture you can see in an encyclopaedia when looking up ‘ineffectual’ AND ‘attitude problem’.  A player I’d find it hard to support. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2022, 05:49:29 PM
Haven't we already managed that once with Coutinho?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2022, 06:18:37 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

Have you heard the good news?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

Have you heard the good news?
Pogba signed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2022, 06:33:34 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on March 27, 2022, 06:39:38 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 27, 2022, 06:45:13 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.
Heard he struggles on crosses, though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on March 27, 2022, 06:47:35 PM
Haven't we already managed that once with Coutinho?

Yeah on loan. Which is ace!  But signing him / others in the 'world-class' bracket permanently is yet another 'next step' isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 27, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
It's been a while since we had a player who could walk on water.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2022, 08:13:18 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming

That Bill Hicks second coming / 'the last thing he's going to want to see again is crosses' routine is brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 10:15:42 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 27, 2022, 10:36:49 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Will Grealish come back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 10:46:41 PM
Yes, that will happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
Christian Eriksen, anyone?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2022, 12:04:46 AM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.

still not really relevant though, a transfer rumour regarding Villa being discussed in the transfer rumour thread of a Villa forum is hardly unexpected, regardless of the source or likelihood of ti actually happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 28, 2022, 12:21:32 AM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.
Yes. I was aware of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 28, 2022, 06:41:50 AM
Maybe we will look to sign Bale and give him his final farewell season in the Premier League, before he goes off to the MLS

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on March 28, 2022, 07:32:21 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2022, 07:44:06 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on March 28, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.

Sign him up, I say! There'll be some top clubs after him, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2022, 10:16:39 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

As Paul e said, it was an article about us being linked with a player, even if it was bollocks. Please try to understand before one of us dies.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 28, 2022, 10:22:34 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

As Paul e said, it was an article about us being linked with a player, even if it was bollocks. Please try to understand before one of us dies.
sad..
What a hobby to have, constantly sniping at other Villa fans, I bet your parents are really proud.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Your the only one who got arsey about it. Equally sad. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2022, 10:32:06 AM
If anyone would like to be banned, just say the word.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 10:51:00 AM
Can I nominate other posters?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 28, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
If anyone would like to be banned, just say the word.


I like bellingham  :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on March 28, 2022, 10:54:04 AM
maybe we are getting above ourselves, but I can not recall ever watching Newton Heath and saying, wow I wish that Pogba played for us
or even less after reading his comments
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 28, 2022, 11:00:47 AM
Personally I would like to see us give our young lads a chance next season (Carney, Kessler, Archer etc...) rather than splash another £100 million on transfers in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 28, 2022, 11:07:55 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

Sounds like an author.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 28, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
maybe we are getting above ourselves, but I can not recall ever watching Newton Heath and saying, wow I wish that Pogba played for us
or even less after reading his comments
Jury's out for me on Pogba.  I think we do need more players on Coutinho's wavelength, and suspect that Pogba definitely ticks that box.  It's also worth saying that, however bad he is, he plays reasonably regularly for Manchester United, who've finished above us every season since ... well, a long time (1989/90?).

There's a bit of a question mark for me over him in terms of attitude, which'd be the make-or-break thing for me (along with having realistic expectations on his wages!).  If that question mark's unfounded, then I think he'd be a pretty shrewd signing on a free.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 28, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
Personally I would like to see us give our young lads a chance next season (Carney, Kessler, Archer etc...) rather than splash another £100 million on transfers in the summer.


I think the club's thinking is to be prepared to spend big on high calibre players who can make a difference and to fill out the squad with younger players so a blend of the two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on March 28, 2022, 11:20:40 AM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 28, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.

He had a slow start at Lille but now scoring plenty in France and a couple in CL. Only problem here is Lille in recent times sell their best attacking players for 70m +.....

He was of course playing in Belgian around 2019-20 so obviously not good enough for Suso.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on March 28, 2022, 12:59:00 PM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.

Oh yes!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 28, 2022, 01:33:07 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.

And for us old fart who remember

"Jesus saves, and Graydon scores the rebound"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bernie on March 28, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.
...could also sing "Villans of the world unite...." (kids, ask your grandparents)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 04:51:48 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 28, 2022, 05:01:10 PM
It's a UEFA initiative so without reading the article, I'll say it's good. For UEFA.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on March 28, 2022, 05:03:18 PM
It's better news for clubs with more revenue. So I guess that means the status quo then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on March 28, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
It will give us some greater flexibility but will mean those who pulled the drawbridge up will maintain their “advantage”.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 28, 2022, 05:49:40 PM
This "ghost of Ronaldo" chatter is hilarious. 18 goals in 32 apps for manure this season aged 36/37. 24 goals in 40 apps for both club and country.

If we're talking about ghosts we don't need to look any further than our own number 11. A player who doesn't resemble anything like we saw the previous season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 28, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742

Established teams looking to keep the status quo and prevent clubs like us and others who have been taken over in recent years and have ambitions of breaking into football's inner circle. Same old shit, different day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 08:47:12 PM
As I thought, thanks. ☹️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 28, 2022, 09:03:10 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742

Established teams looking to keep the status quo and prevent clubs like us and others who have been taken over in recent years and have ambitions of breaking into football's inner circle. Same old shit, different day.
Its awful really - as a sport its completely morally bankrupt.  Try applying this to any other nearly any other industry and it would break every anti-competition rule. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 28, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
top level football is bent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 28, 2022, 09:07:05 PM
top level football is bent
Exactly - they abandon a salary cap, which migjht actually make things more even, but push ahead with this.

There is more intregity in my left testical then there is in the "powers that be"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on March 29, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
top level football is bent
Exactly - they abandon a salary cap, which migjht actually make things more even, but push ahead with this.

There is more intregity in my left testical then there is in the "powers that be"

Now you are talking bollocks 😁
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2022, 04:11:52 PM
Digne said something like we're making big moves again this summer.

It's going to be an exciting one isn't it. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 29, 2022, 05:06:37 PM
I don't think there's a great deal wrong really but he'll want his own players so it's going to be very intriguing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 29, 2022, 05:49:41 PM
Supposed to be close to agreeing to sign Rory Wilson from "Rangers" for £300k:
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rory-wilson-rangers-set-to-lose-rising-star-to-aston-villa-as-compensation-figures-discussed-3629130

16 year old striker, meant to have been quite prolific at U17 level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 29, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
Supposed to be close to agreeing to sign Rory Wilson from "Rangers" for £300k:
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rory-wilson-rangers-set-to-lose-rising-star-to-aston-villa-as-compensation-figures-discussed-3629130

16 year old striker, meant to have been quite prolific at U17 level.

Sounds promising to be beating competition off like that and seeing how many goals he's scored at youth level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on March 29, 2022, 09:54:35 PM
The new Andy Gray? Great that we are still building for the future too but hoping for at least three quality players in this summer, four if I can be a bit greedy!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 30, 2022, 03:44:37 AM
You don't get too many "Rangers" players called Rory!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 30, 2022, 09:05:47 AM
You don't get too many "Rangers" players called Rory!

More than have played for Celtic though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 30, 2022, 12:36:04 PM
I like the noise about Phillips but will only accept him if he gets rid of that ridiculous hairstyle
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 31, 2022, 09:14:24 AM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 31, 2022, 09:22:16 AM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 31, 2022, 12:11:17 PM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Until his agent asks for a wage the club can't possibly afford and who have already openly said they need to generate cash to move forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on March 31, 2022, 02:40:40 PM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Until his agent asks for a wage the club can't possibly afford and who have already openly said they need to generate cash to move forward.
I mean, if he signs a new five-year deal with his boyhood club that happens to include a release clause that could be met by a rich and ambitious club, then he'll definitely be at Leeds forever, right? I have never seen anything that might make another outcome seem possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on March 31, 2022, 07:09:44 PM
Don’t know much about this chap.
In fairness I guess he’d be looking at Champions League teams

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-nunez-23540536
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 01, 2022, 11:01:07 AM
just listened to a Villa podcast where the journalist? claims that one of the main priorities that Gerrard has identified this summer is signing a centre half

They also reckoned quite a few of the current squad will be on their way out of our club this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2022, 11:23:28 AM
There have been a few comments about a centre back so I think there's a fair chance of that happening. A DM of some sort is also far too heavily linked for it not to happen (finally). I also think we'll see a striker come in.

Outwards I think a lot of them are pretty obvious, with all the older loanees unlikely to come back, Davis is right on the fence for me. On top of that I think 1 of Sanson, Luiz or Nakamba will go, 1 or Watkins or Ings will go and 1 of Mings or Konsa will go. I also wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 of Bailey, Traore and Buendia go.

I suspect we'll be trying to make a fair amonut of income from that lot in the £120-150m region and then we'll throw £200m+ on replacing them. I might be wrong but, for me, this summer feels like it's going to be the one where the owners really flex their muscles and go big. I can see Coutinho staying but only being our 2nd or 3rd biggest fee, if you look at who is being linked there's a lot of £50-60m names being mentioned rather than the £20-30m range we had this time last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 12:15:23 PM
Apparently Newcastle are going to try and get Coutinho and "outbid" us and Arsenal.

Would love it if we could keep him.  Think this summer window we'll go large, otherwise I dont think we ever will.

Think we need to use SG name to get some big players in and build from there, as I think were further off breaking in europe than we were this time last year as other teams seem to have got better quicker then us

Think a few will be moved on, not least because our younger players are starting to come of age

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 01, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
Apparently Newcastle are going to try and get Coutinho and "outbid" us and Arsenal.

Would love it if we could keep him.  Think this summer window we'll go large, otherwise I dont think we ever will.

Think we need to use SG name to get some big players in and build from there, as I think were further off breaking in europe than we were this time last year as other teams seem to have got better quicker then us

Think a few will be moved on, not least because our younger players are starting to come of age



I would hope that being settled, happy, playing for a great Club and for a Manager he loves would persuade him to stay.

There again I once thought A boyhood fan that was idolised at Villa park and could have been a legend would be enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2022, 12:29:55 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.

We already have got him. A permanent deal will be secured to extend his stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 12:34:34 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.

We already have got him. A permanent deal will be secured to extend his stay.

I should have clarified, we don't get nice things for very long!

I know I am being glass half empty but last summer's shenanigans still smart. If we do get him permanently it will be fantastic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
Yeah that’s my fear - last summer and parts of this year have a “I’ve seen this movie before vibe”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 12:55:42 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender



I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2022, 01:10:17 PM
When transfers go bad https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-stephen-ireland-lambert-21403049?fbclid=IwAR08tydVlDfcP9tqPbO7WyLYwEtnQUfjesj01FWr3DPiJdqBkVpOdUn7rXw
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 01, 2022, 01:34:09 PM
There have been a few comments about a centre back so I think there's a fair chance of that happening. A DM of some sort is also far too heavily linked for it not to happen (finally). I also think we'll see a striker come in.

Outwards I think a lot of them are pretty obvious, with all the older loanees unlikely to come back, Davis is right on the fence for me. On top of that I think 1 of Sanson, Luiz or Nakamba will go, 1 or Watkins or Ings will go and 1 of Mings or Konsa will go. I also wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 of Bailey, Traore and Buendia go.

I suspect we'll be trying to make a fair amonut of income from that lot in the £120-150m region and then we'll throw £200m+ on replacing them. I might be wrong but, for me, this summer feels like it's going to be the one where the owners really flex their muscles and go big. I can see Coutinho staying but only being our 2nd or 3rd biggest fee, if you look at who is being linked there's a lot of £50-60m names being mentioned rather than the £20-30m range we had this time last year.
I agree, I think we're in for a summer of maybe losing 2-3 'big' players to fund a spurge on Champions League-quality players.  Something along the lines of Mings + Luiz + Ings out .... along with Trez, AEG, Targett, Davis, Traore.  Reckon you'd be looking at £120m-ish there, and could easily see us bringing in 4x £50m-ish signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 02:30:15 PM

I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.

Me too. The A Madrid rumours persist I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 01, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
Cash won't go, I expect a new deal to be announced soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Of course you can never say never but I don't think Cash will want to move this summer but a link like this is a perfect way for his agent to push up his demands for a new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 01, 2022, 03:41:51 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2022, 03:43:25 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 01, 2022, 03:47:33 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.

So basically if Newcastle convinced him that their project to pay him six hundred grand a week is a good one, there's nothing we could do, but if he's happy with our offer they can sod off?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 01, 2022, 06:08:37 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.

So basically if Newcastle convinced him that their project to pay him six hundred grand a week is a good one, there's nothing we could do, but if he's happy with our offer they can sod off?

Precisely.  Also, Barcelona are not obliged to accept a £33m bid from anyone else, just us.  We got that price because we've paid them a chunk to have him here this season, and helped their financial situation.  One would hope anyone else who comes knocking will be asked for a bit more than we've agreed (and it will be enough to put them off).

But if he's a stand-out world-beater in the next nine games, there is nothing to stop Newcastle (or anyone else) offering £60m and matching his Barca wages.  Unlikely, but there's nothing in our deal to prevent it happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2022, 06:51:28 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 01, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
I've got a feeling Matty Cash will leave :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 01, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least

Coutinho, Kalvin Phillips and a striker please. Done.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 07:51:22 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:53:03 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least

Coutinho, Kalvin Phillips and a striker please. Done.
That’s the best part of 150m I reckon.

Have no idea what striker would could get that would be an upgrade and interested in coming to us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Must have carried 30kilos of papers to pay for that.  yeah he agreed to it - thought he was a wanker ever since.  Then he signed for Arsenal who I hated cos I was living in Essex and school was full of Arsenal, Spurs and Hammers

It seemed realistic, even the bit about buying shares in the villa.

Apparently the year before they did Ian Rush to Everton - if I had known that I might not have fallen for it.

Feels good to talk about it all these years later - like a therapy session
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 08:36:23 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Must have carried 30kilos of papers to pay for that.  yeah he agreed to it - thought he was a wanker ever since.  Then he signed for Arsenal who I hated cos I was living in Essex and school was full of Arsenal, Spurs and Hammers

It seemed realistic, even the bit about buying shares in the villa.

Apparently the year before they did Ian Rush to Everton - if I had known that I might not have fallen for it.

Feels good to talk about it all these years later - like a therapy session

We definitely got immediate revenge by finishing above the Tarquins the next season and knocking them out of the Santa fizzy drinks cup in the semis. Although he’ll point to his double a few years later. Always thought Platt was a bit weird about Villa after he left and since. No idea why.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2022, 09:45:09 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


If we have learned nothing else then it is the journalists have no idea whatsoever what we have to spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 01, 2022, 09:55:45 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


If we have learned nothing else then it is the journalists have no idea whatsoever what we have to spend.

Didn’t they say we only had £5m to spend last season?
I know with Jacks money net spend wasn’t loads, but was certainly more than that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2022, 11:31:57 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender



I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.

Cash to Spain for £40m, buy Lamptey for £25m.  lamptey looks awesome to me (no idea if he can actually defend though).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2022, 12:40:50 AM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


Bentancur would've been a good signing for us and he cost Spurs just over 20m.

Not every player who'd improve us in world football costs 30m + so up to us to scout well and find them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2022, 12:54:33 AM
From The Express And Star, Gerrard on Dougie/player contracts...

Quote
Asked about Luiz’s situation, he replied: “He’s got 12 months left (in the summer). That’s where we’re at. We haven’t analysed that individual’s situation in isolation, if you like. He’s a very good player who’s been playing the majority of the games. He’s a player we rate very much.

“All of the individuals, we’ll speak about from now until the end of the season and we’ll deal with each case when needs be but that’s certainly not right now.”

In addition to strengthening midfield, Gerrard is also keen to keep Philippe Coutinho on a permanent deal. The boss also hinted “one or two” players might be close to signing new contracts. Right-back Matty Cash, who has been among Villa’s most consistent performers this season, has been touted as a target for Atletico Madrid.

Gerrard continued: “We want to keep all of our good players at the club. For us, to take this where we want to take it, where the ambitions are, we want all of our remaining players to stay.

“But, at the same time, we’ve got to respect that everyone’s different, i.e. Phil’s on loan, i.e. Dougie’s got a year left, i.e. one or two might be close to signing new deals.

“We’ll just analyse each case as and when needs be. That’s not the case now with nine games to go with Dougie.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 02, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender
Guilbert too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 02, 2022, 10:36:54 AM
Mais oui.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
My thoughts

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG
Sanson

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash
Ings
Watkins
Young


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on April 02, 2022, 12:06:56 PM
Did we give young more than a 12 month contract?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 02, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
Did we give young more than a 12 month contract?

Hope not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2022, 01:38:01 PM
Think it was just 12 months.

I actually have no issue with keeping Young around but we obviously need to get a younger LB in and have him as direct backup for Digne.

If Digne picks up knocks then Young can come into the mix and act as backup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 02, 2022, 02:23:33 PM
I don't think we will have a back up right back or left back that only plays in one position any time soon. Gerrard bombed out Targett and hasn't even bothered speaking to Guilbert. Our backup full backs will continue to be those that can do a job there while also providing cover elsewhere. If not Young, Hause and Chambers, then players of that ilk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 02, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
I think Kesler-Hayden may play a part next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2022, 10:11:32 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2022, 10:19:48 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)
Because Newcastle need the money don’t they?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on April 03, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 03, 2022, 11:00:56 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)
Because Newcastle need the money don’t they?
Isn’t he a wide player?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
Gerrard is a wingless wonder, he's going to get rid of them not buy another.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 03, 2022, 12:26:02 PM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089

He's going to be this summer's Smith Rowe isn't he? Use our interest to get a big contract at Leeds or go somewhere like West Ham if Rice leaves.

Can't see us signing him at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2022, 12:31:55 PM
I hope we're not going to spend a chunk of the summer chasing players that we ultimately don't get while other potential signings move elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 01:04:35 AM
In case the Telegraph link is paywall'd for yer...

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Aston Villa will push for £60million Kalvin Phillips signing this summer - but move is complicated
Steven Gerrard is without a defensive midfielder and Villa believe the Leeds and England man is the player they need to fill the spot

By
John Percy
3 April 2022 • 11:14pm
Aston Villa will push for £60million Kalvin Phillips signing this summer - but move is complicated

Aston Villa will make another attempt to sign Kalvin Phillips this summer, three years after Leeds resisted their bids for the England international.

Phillips is emerging as Steven Gerrard’s leading target ahead of next season with Villa prepared to pay a club record £60 million.

At least one new defensive midfielder is regarded as a priority, and it is the position Villa have struggled to fill since promotion back to the Premier League in 2019.

Gerrard’s predecessor Dean Smith moved for Phillips after achieving promotion via the Championship play-off final, and the absence of a proven player who can protect the defence remains a big problem.

Without a defensive midfielder, there is often a huge hole between defence and attack due to the offensive qualities of players such as John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, and it was again blatantly obvious at Molineux on Saturday.

Gerrard wants a player who will ‘screen’ in front of his back-four and move Villa up the pitch, and Phillips possesses all the qualities required.

Villa’s move for Phillips will be complicated, with Leeds determined to keep the talismanic midfielder and their resolve likely to be emboldened by avoiding relegation to the Championship.

Leeds had been in talks with the 26-year-old over a new contract but those negotiations have stalled, and Villa are ready to make their move at the end of the season.

With uncertainty over the future of Villa’s Brazilian international Douglas Luiz, Gerrard is also set to make a renewed move to sign Brighton’s Yves Bissouma.

Brighton rejected a £25 million offer from Villa in January and are facing the prospect of losing Bissouma this summer, when he will have only 12 months left on his contract.

Gerrard, meanwhile, will use the final eight games of the season to assess who can be part of his plans ahead of the next campaign.

Villa’s defeat at Wolves was their third in a row, their worst sequence of results since Gerrard’s appointment in November, and European ambitions have disappeared.

Another busy summer appears inevitable, with Villa’s ambitious owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens already spending over £400 million since the club’s return to the top division.

Gerrard said: “What the owners have done for this club has been phenomenal in terms of the support, the backing. I don’t think they’ll change because of the dealings I’ve had and the communication I’ve had, they’re very ambitious and they want to win football matches, like myself.

“I think we are aligned from the top of the club to bottom. There is work going on in the background. My close staff all know where we are strong and where we need support, whether that be an individual area or a certain unit in the team.

“It’s not about talking about figures and amounts right now. It’s not the time now to say ‘they’re going to do this, they’re going to do that’, we’re off the back of a defeat and we have to accept that and move on.”

Villa could still secure their first top-10 finish in the Premier League since 2011 but Gerrard will be feeling a sense of frustration over how this season has fizzled out.

From the majestic display at Leeds last month to the first-half at Molineux at Saturday, the inconsistencies of this team are difficult for Gerrard to accept.

“I know I’ve got good players and the core of a good team but for sure I know there is work to do,” he said.

“We have to work with the team. The team has to respond from the three defeats, we have to stand up and be counted and try and put in a really big performance because next week against top opposition [Tottenham], a 45-minute performance won’t get us what we need.

“We need to find that second-half performance over 90 minutes. If we do it will give us a chance - no guarantees - but it will give us a chance.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2022, 08:44:00 AM
Phillips would be really good, but I can’t see it. Also I’d be a bit concerned about his injury record.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:53:41 AM
Interesting that he talks of a unit? Perhaps the central defensive unit? Or two defensive midfielder’s, not sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 04, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
The club cannot, must not, spend a couple of months on a player that doesn't end up signing (the double-barrel names from last summer).  I'm sure that they know this already.  Get the players signed in the first couple of weeks after the season ends and give ourselves a decent shot at starting the season well for a bloody change! 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 10:16:46 AM
We got Emi in very quick last summer and that's worked out....ish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 10:36:52 AM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089

He's going to be this summer's Smith Rowe isn't he? Use our interest to get a big contract at Leeds or go somewhere like West Ham if Rice leaves.

Can't see us signing him at all.
Yep.  The perfect replacement for Rice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 10:42:28 AM
The club cannot, must not, spend a couple of months on a player that doesn't end up signing (the double-barrel names from last summer).  I'm sure that they know this already.  Get the players signed in the first couple of weeks after the season ends and give ourselves a decent shot at starting the season well for a bloody change! 
Unfortunately selling clubs rarely play ball with this strategy unless you're prepared to pay way over the odds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
I'm sick of this link already. It probably won't happen and it's a stupid fee. I'd rather see us linked to two thirty million pound DMs. At least then I'd feel confident that Gerrard gets it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on April 04, 2022, 10:57:44 AM
Me too, why would he come to us, he loves the club he plays for and there is no Europe attraction. Look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Look at his stupid shoes. It's a no from me.


https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211 (https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 04, 2022, 11:22:52 AM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 11:24:44 AM
Look at his stupid shoes. It's a no from me.


https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211 (https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211)
Was that taken of 1st April by any chance?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2022, 11:24:51 AM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.
and i thought his hairstyle was ridiculous, Shocker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2022, 11:25:29 AM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 11:35:46 AM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2022, 11:38:52 AM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?
Be useless at the swimming pool.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
Interesting that he talks of a unit? Perhaps the central defensive unit? Or two defensive midfielder’s, not sure.

That would be interesting.

Surely no room for Luiz so him and Sanson will be moved on. Ramsey to be the most advanced of the three CMs with McGinn a squad player. Buendia could also be tried as an 8 I guess.

That's probably the ruthless nature we need if we're serious about qualifying for europe anytime soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2022, 12:53:14 PM
We need units all over the pitch - a reliable CB pairing, a DM fulcrum, effective links between 10 and the front three. Partnerships are the key to improving. We've relied on individuals turning up for far too long. I'd go as far as to say that us staying up bucked the trend, given most promoted teams that get over the line by virtue of having a very defined and immovable way of playing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 01:01:48 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 04, 2022, 01:20:23 PM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.

Yes, a mate put it on our whattsapp group and i said that the whole outfit looks like it was tailor made for a ******.

The shoes are the worst bit though.

And no, i don't think he'll sign either but i do think he's a cracking player despite dressing like a ******.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on April 04, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
They look like they've been stolen off the Honey Monster.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 04, 2022, 01:32:06 PM
He wouldn’t look any more ridiculous if he went everywhere dressed as the Leeds mascot, whatever that is. Usually some sort of big furry animal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2022, 01:47:10 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 02:01:50 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.

So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:

The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings

I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2022, 02:37:16 PM
So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:
The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings
I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.
Ben Davies scored a very good header yesterday ...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.

So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:

The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings

I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.

If Coutinho doesn't sign then all bets are off but Gerrard's favoured way of playing isn't a good fit for all of the above players, particularly any winger. He has let four attacking players go on loan already and only one of them (Archer) I suspect has any kind of future with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2022, 08:00:11 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:01:41 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 08:05:33 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
ok done.  What next?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

I expect that a free Eriksen who hasn't kicked a ball since he nearly died last year, and a free Eriksen who has just had a very successful half-season in the Premier League are two very different propositions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2022, 08:12:56 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 08:16:51 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.

It started that way, but I think he came in a lot at the end of the season and was quite important to the title win in the last couple of months if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:43:45 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
ok done.  What next?

Put the kettle on!

Edit, I honestly didn't realise he'd signed a new contract today.  I have been out all day and hadn't seen it.  Great news.  Sorry Chris.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 05, 2022, 08:04:22 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.

It started that way, but I think he came in a lot at the end of the season and was quite important to the title win in the last couple of months if I remember rightly.

Yep, he completely turned it around and was pretty vital in the 2nd half of the season when Conte didn't get the transfers he wanted in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2022, 08:21:30 PM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.

These fashion types must see daft footballers coming.

The emperor's new bin bags.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
Our squad for next season....

GK Martinez/Olsen(Steer)

RB Cash/ KKH
LCB Konsa/Chambers
RCB Mings/ Hause (or potential new player)
LB Digne/Young (I'd prefer Targett or Chrisene)

DM Nakamba (Bissouma/Phillips)/Iroegbunam

CM McGinn/Ramsey/Sanson/Chukwuemeka

L/RW Bailey Traore

AM Coutinho/Buendia

CF Watkins/Ings/Archer (Newbie)


My guess is a couple of more defensively minded midfielders with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 and more akin to Southgate playing two defensively minded midfielders that can drop in to the full back space (which let's face it he likes) and allows the full backs to be wingers.

I'm surprised he's not tried three at the back with his desire to push the full backs forward and not having the midfielders to drop in defensively.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
I’d say if we’re going to have any chance of reasonable improvement it’s going to need a top quality left sided centre back to scrap it out with Mings, a top quality defensive mid and a second good one as well, plus Coutinho or a top quality alternative.
Better GK cover, an attacking midfielder alternative to Ramsey and a top quality centre forward wouldn’t be overkill either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 02:12:48 PM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html

Unfortunately they're not available in claret.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 03:06:29 PM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html



Or not:

"• Take care when using on particularly slippery surfaces"

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 03:23:25 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 03:46:14 PM

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html



Or not:

"• Take care when using on particularly slippery surfaces"

Fair enough, you researched them a bit more thoroughly than I did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 03:46:29 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 03:51:30 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 04:19:00 PM
Yes you'd have to be a proper fucking idiot to buy any of that lot, so he'd be a prime candidate.

I must admit bottega veneta is a new one on me. The Parakeet coat for 9500 euros looks like a steal, 100% lamb fur apparently but you'd want it made from real parakeets ideally.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 06, 2022, 04:27:40 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2022, 04:46:18 PM
Folk with average incomes are forking-out £750 for those big Balenciaga pumps so anything's possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 05:31:01 PM

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

That looks like the John Barnes era Liverpool green away kit. Would look lovely paired with these:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/ready-to-wear-for-men/trousers-and-shorts-for-men/gg-kaleidoscope-equestrian-inspired-pant-p-675277Z8ASY7251

I'm sensing an opportunity to offer our services as personal shooppers to Grealish and Calvert-Lewin.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.

You're just not cool and well-dressed like the Bieber.
https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/journal/fashion/best-dressed-men-february-2022-pattinson-holland-bieber-fez-10490950
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 05:51:57 PM

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

That looks like the John Barnes era Liverpool green away kit. Would look lovely paired with these:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/ready-to-wear-for-men/trousers-and-shorts-for-men/gg-kaleidoscope-equestrian-inspired-pant-p-675277Z8ASY7251

I'm sensing an opportunity to offer our services as personal shooppers to Grealish and Calvert-Lewin.

Those GG strides are truly awful.

That would be an easy gig, just pick anything a right thinking person would reject as too shit and outlandish and Jack and DCL would lap it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 05:33:16 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 07, 2022, 05:46:56 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
This Man Utd who dont know who there manager is?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 07, 2022, 06:09:32 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.


the cost of everything the value of nothing springs to mind 😳
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 06:16:25 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
This Man Utd who dont know who there manager is?
That's right.  The ones who have Fred as their current DM.  It wouldn't be unusual for the recruitment team to have identified certain tragets or even have discussed them with the new manager at interview stage.  Of course it could be bollocks, but it's hardly a story that stretches credibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2022, 08:34:50 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.

The Manchester rag links them to a player and it's taken as fact? Other papers have them going for Neves and Rice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2022, 09:56:13 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 10:31:25 AM
Likewise. I like Konsa, if he's going it had better be someone amazing coming in, not some Liverpool cast off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 08, 2022, 10:32:59 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.
Selling Konsa sounds like madness to me.  How are we going to improve on him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2022, 11:19:52 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.

Gomez looked awful for Liverpool in recent times, I really don't think that's an upgrade at all after his bad injury.

Konsa not been as good as last season but there's still a good defender there when he's wearing the right studs. Would be a bit knee jerk to move him on unless we're getting a stupid bid for him.

I imagine Brentford have been clever as they usually are and have a hefty sell on clause so dosen't seem much point in selling him imo unless he desperately wants to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 08, 2022, 11:24:31 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 08, 2022, 11:28:54 AM
On the face of it, selling Konsa would be weird.  But central defender partnerships are critical - they make each other look better or worse than they are more than any other positions the pitch I always think.  So, the coaching staff will have a clear idea as to which one / both aren't good enough for how they want to play, which is obviously from the back on the deck. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2022, 11:44:01 AM
Still not sure how good Konsa's distribution is. He always takes the safe option of squaring to Mings to play it forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on April 08, 2022, 12:00:25 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 08, 2022, 12:09:48 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
He hasn't seen him at his best tbf, but you would have thought he'd have done his homework.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2022, 01:09:39 PM
I really like Konsa and think he could become a top CB but I do think he's had a poor season, which has added a lot of pressure on Mings. So much so that I think Chambers was unlucky to lose his place on the back of 1 iffy performance against West Ham having been very good in our 2 best performance this year.

On this season I can understand why Gerrard doesn't rate him as highly as the fans do and might see it as a position that needs to be addressed further.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2022, 01:17:38 PM
Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock.

I'm not sure that's true. He's at his best when he's throwing himself at everything and getting his head on the end of endless balls into the box. His ricks tend to be when he's got plenty of time and he's just too casual.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2022, 01:35:11 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
Surely we're looking at the wrong priorities if we start offloading CB before we've sorted out central midfield.
The only reason to single out Konsa of the 4 current CB is that the club perhaps think we will get the most money for him. However, if it means spending what we earn on a similar CB, what would be the point?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on April 08, 2022, 02:01:05 PM
I really think the Konsa/Watkins to Arsenal talk is just London media nonsense. If we upgrade their positions and they are deemed surplus to requirements, that's one thing, but to say we are actively listening to offers.. wouldn't any good DOF pick up the phone and listen?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock.

I'm not sure that's true. He's at his best when he's throwing himself at everything and getting his head on the end of endless balls into the box. His ricks tend to be when he's got plenty of time and he's just too casual.

I'd balance what you've both said, with agreeing with you Dave, but also then agreeing with Risso that he drops a bollock when he puts himself under pressure unnecessarily as a result of having too much time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
I think part of our problem lately is a lack of an upfield outlet pass as Watkins isn't holding the ball up as well as he did last season and all our other attackers are 4 ' 6".

Teams are increasingly leaving two or three men forward to close us down from goal kicks and they're bound to make the odd mistake under that pressure every time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
We only signed Konsa up to a new contract last April after a very good season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 08, 2022, 04:39:03 PM
I think any of our players are sellable if they want to leave, see Grealish last season. I also think all but Martinez are sellable even if they’re not pushing to leave if the right offer comes in and we have a really good replacement lined up. There’s a lot of the squad I’d prefer to keep on the strength of their ability though, Konsa included. I’m not sure he’s ‘pushed on’ to use football jargon as much as I thought though. First season he looked like the best young centre back we’d had since Ugo. Last season he improved slightly and this season he’s not been quite as good, discipline being an issue too. As I say though, definitely sooner keep him and certainly wouldn’t replace with Gomez, who’s not bad but nothing special. The weakest cb we currently have is Hause, who isn’t terrible by any means but he’d be the obvious one out the door if we’re bringing someone in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 08, 2022, 05:39:12 PM
I don’t think Konsa will be going anywhere.
Watkins, on the other hand, I could see him going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 08, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.

He's started the vast majority of games and didn't take him long to come back in for Chambers after his red card despite Calum playing well in his absence.

If Joe Gomez is the answer I despair a bit. Reminds me of the time we sold Vassell for about 2m and signed Baros for about 7m and it just made little difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on April 08, 2022, 08:50:56 PM
These Konsa rumours emanate from Football Insider.

Their modus operandi is to put enough facebook bollocks out there (amazing transfer revelation!) and hope some of it eventually comes to pass.

Even a stopped clock.

Not that I want to see it, but I've thought for a while that Mings is more likely to depart. I'm sure I've heard Carragher and his ilk say our captain always has a ricket in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 08, 2022, 08:54:52 PM
I'm not sure Gerrrad would have put Konsa back in after Chambers kept a couple of clean sheets and scored if he didn't rate him. Chambers deserved to keep his place if anything.



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 08, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.

He's started the vast majority of games and didn't take him long to come back in for Chambers after his red card despite Calum playing well in his absence.

If Joe Gomez is the answer I despair a bit. Reminds me of the time we sold Vassell for about 2m and signed Baros for about 7m and it just made little difference.

We swapped Baros for Carew.

Edit: which I now realise has nothing to do with how we bought him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on April 08, 2022, 10:08:59 PM
My personal favourite:

Balenciaga (https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/shopping/balenciaga-reversible-parka-17361354) v Screwfix (https://www.screwfix.com/p/hi-vis-traffic-jacket-yellow-blue-large-54-chest/455fh)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is a fair assesment - maybe 1 central defender.

Also think its key that most of them are "leader" type players - too few of our players are prepared to stand up and be counted to use a wanky phrase
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 08, 2022, 10:33:29 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 10:38:07 PM
A midfielder, Coutinho and an amazing centre forward will do me. Not anyone "quite good", I want a Coutinho-type signing but as a centre forward, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 08, 2022, 10:50:21 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 08, 2022, 10:59:51 PM
We need a LB on that list as well, otherwise our back up is Young again (if he stays).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 11:51:35 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Hopefully they will be more frequent -  Ramsey for his age is the better than any other 20 year old villa player I have seen for since probably Barry. 

Think some of those on Loan could be pretty special.  It’s a difficult path to walk in terms of blooding them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 09, 2022, 12:44:28 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 09, 2022, 08:43:06 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.

Yep I strongly agree with this.  I think there’s some good players in the squad - including midfielders - but they do not suit Gerrard’s 4321.  Change two of the three midfielders and I reckon the rest will improve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 08:58:28 AM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Hopefully they will be more frequent -  Ramsey for his age is the better than any other 20 year old villa player I have seen for since probably Barry. 

Think some of those on Loan could be pretty special.  It’s a difficult path to walk in terms of blooding them
Fingers X mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 09, 2022, 09:15:25 AM
That Haaland looks decent, we should go for him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 09, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.

Yep I strongly agree with this.  I think there’s some good players in the squad - including midfielders - but they do not suit Gerrard’s 4321.  Change two of the three midfielders and I reckon the rest will improve.
Add me to the list of agree-ers. Think a lot of our problems would be sorted with having midfielders who were more suited to their roles. I'd keep McGinn though, barring a silly offer. Play him further up the pitch & he'd be fine. It's just his ball retention isn't anywhere near what it needs to be to play in the position he's in now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 09:31:16 AM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 10:11:39 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on April 09, 2022, 10:15:15 AM
Our problem is that, in every department, we have very good individuals but we cannot seem to make a team out of them. We get beaten so often it is criminal. I hate how often we lose and wish we could draw more of those games. As individuals, a lot our players would be valuable and prized by a lot of prem teams. Maybe a proper pre-season is what we need, to mould a proper team that's hard to beat?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 09, 2022, 10:52:32 AM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.

Playing McGinn further up the pitch is the standard statement that I sort of agree with, but you do make an excellent point. The same sort of applies to Dougie as well.
Its all well and good all of us saying that our Midfield is poor because players are playing out of position or in the wrong role, but im not convinced they are good enough in other roles. Ramsey I think is the only exception to this argument as he seems like a cracking player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 09, 2022, 10:53:20 AM
That Haaland looks decent, we should go for him
Only if Davies leaves
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo




Better make that 2 strikers after yesterday (hopefully one we already got out on loan)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 12:02:17 PM

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better



The central defenders aren't as poor on the ball as McGinn is. He made at least 3 absolute kamikaze passes yesterday, he's atrocious. When the team lined up, Luiz was sitting just in fron the of the back four, with Ramsey and McGinn a lot more advanced in a sort of 'V' formation. McGinn was atrocious though. He's slow, clearly overweight and he does nothing of note at all. Gives the ball away, doesn't create much and doesn't score goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 12:39:20 PM

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better



The central defenders aren't as poor on the ball as McGinn is. He made at least 3 absolute kamikaze passes yesterday, he's atrocious. When the team lined up, Luiz was sitting just in fron the of the back four, with Ramsey and McGinn a lot more advanced in a sort of 'V' formation. McGinn was atrocious though. He's slow, clearly overweight and he does nothing of note at all. Gives the ball away, doesn't create much and doesn't score goals.

Yeah really can’t argue with any of that because it’s just a load of bollocks 😊

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 12:43:25 PM
Yes sorry John, I've clearly ignored McGinn getting into double figures every year to make a point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 12:45:51 PM
Yes sorry John, I've clearly ignored McGinn getting into double figures every year to make a point.

Sorry I didn’t read the whole post I just read the first line and gave up
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2022, 01:22:04 PM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.

Ramsey's already scored 7 in the league hasn't he? If he add a couple more v likes of Norwich and Burnley that will be him hitting double figures in the league while still developing which will be some achievement. Was unlucky not to score yesterday.

Hard to think McGinn could ever hit double figures even playing as AM imo.

Someone younger and better than McGinn in the actual "McGinn" role.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2022, 02:25:42 PM
If Man United do want McGinn, I would feign any desire to sell, milk them for every penny and then go and get Ward-Prowse. For me JWP is a similar player, better, right footed (so not having to have a left footed player on the right who keeps coming inside), more adaptable and wouldn't have a problem dropping into right back when Cash goes forward and is obviously one of the best at set pieces around.

Then Douglas Luiz can go and we can get the mythical defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the defence with Nakamba as another option, or the option to play 2 holding midfielders when we're playing the better sides.

Far too easy to go through our midfield yesterday and be straight into the defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2022, 02:45:59 PM
PSV Noni Madueke  rumours but he's a winger so probably rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2022, 02:46:53 PM
We should sell Luiz, he's no better than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
PSV Noni Madueke  rumours but he's a winger so probably rubbish.

God spare us from more bloody wingers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 04:34:46 PM
Gerrard poo-poo'd the suggestion he was was running the rule over him at the PSV-Lesta WaferConference match on Thursday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 10, 2022, 05:05:40 PM
If Man United do want McGinn, I would feign any desire to sell, milk them for every penny and then go and get Ward-Prowse. For me JWP is a similar player, better, right footed (so not having to have a left footed player on the right who keeps coming inside), more adaptable and wouldn't have a problem dropping into right back when Cash goes forward and is obviously one of the best at set pieces around.

Then Douglas Luiz can go and we can get the mythical defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the defence with Nakamba as another option, or the option to play 2 holding midfielders when we're playing the better sides.

Far too easy to go through our midfield yesterday and be straight into the defence.
Buying JWP and a DM would be great business.Totally agree about how easy it is to go through our midfield and straight at our defence.
It would have been worthwhile yesterday to start with either Chambers or Tim Iroegbunam to try and fix that problem and if successful ,it could mean that we could sell Nakamba.
McGinn is one of our better players if played in an advanced role.We have quite a few players who didn't feature yesterday who could be sold to enlarge the 'warchest'
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:12:47 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 10, 2022, 06:26:37 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 06:28:14 PM
Matthew 24:13 is evidently the best.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 10, 2022, 06:51:10 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?

No to the last one as I think Rondon's past it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26

Certainly deals with my favourite type of woman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2022, 06:59:34 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26

Certainly deals with my favourite type of woman.
Awake?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 07:45:31 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?

Cash and McGinn are now among the highest earners at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 11, 2022, 07:21:51 AM
Matthew 24:13 is evidently the best.
Mine is geniunely Mark 11:12-14, where Jesus has a go at a fig tree for not producing fruit out of season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 12, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
Is Gomez any good? - I havent seen enough of him.  He was awful against us in the 7-2, but obviously that was a bit of a 1 off.

Were heavily linked with him but all I know about him is he is injured a lot.

Think any other time I have seen liverpool I havent noticed if he is playing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on April 12, 2022, 11:02:47 AM


Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better

[/quote]

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: thick_mike on April 12, 2022, 11:29:12 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 12, 2022, 11:35:57 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2022, 11:53:17 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 12, 2022, 01:51:25 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Certainly a better choice than Young.Bringing Chambers into the middle would boost the passing ability at the back.A rampant Mings,carnage and entertainment.What's not to like ?
Can't see Gerrard opting for it,unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 12, 2022, 01:55:29 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Certainly a better choice than Young.Bringing Chambers into the middle would boost the passing ability at the back.A rampant Mings,carnage and entertainment.What's not to like ?
Can't see Gerrard opting for it,unfortunately.


Judging by I think Sons third goal he was out on the left wing anyway. (when Konsa missed Kanes flick)   I would give him a go and play Hause at centre, Korntney just defends   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 12, 2022, 01:58:53 PM
Mings the Marauder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2022, 06:18:29 PM
I’m in. Be like Jedinak ending the match up front against Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
Paul Warhurst for the jilted generation, who'da thunk it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on April 12, 2022, 07:40:45 PM
I'd be up for getting Mings to go on more of his rampages. How can the other team know what to do when even Mings has no particular idea what he's doing or where he's going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 12, 2022, 08:23:06 PM
Mings is a full back after all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2022, 09:00:05 PM
Fernandinho leaving Man City in the summer. We could do worse than offering him a one year contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2022, 09:02:37 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair).

When he does that, I imagine him having YouTube videos of Paolo Maldini playing in his head.

Whereas in my head, this is playing:

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/NHrsn15JJqPNS/giphy.gif?cid=790b76112cafaa58eb3ffdc3187972f441b56516983f4a9c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2022, 10:35:53 PM
Mings is a full back after all.

Only in the same way that Daft Punk were human after all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2022, 10:41:15 PM
Mings is a full back after all.

Only in the same way that Daft Punk were human after all.

Also Rag n Bone Twat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on April 13, 2022, 12:18:01 AM
Fernandinho leaving Man City in the summer. We could do worse than offering him a one year contract.

He's announced he's going Brazil
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 13, 2022, 02:12:05 AM
We built a team around Joe Greedlish, he’s gone onto a bigger payslip now so who do we build a team around next?
Coutinho?
Buendia?
Ramsey?

I just can’t see anything other than another 2 or 3 seasons of turmoil and instability right now I’m afraid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 13, 2022, 06:27:40 AM
I would hope our transfer policy is no longer to build a team around one player, but to provide a cohesive unit that allows individuals to strut their stuff, while the team performs on a collective level.

Too long have we relied on one/two people to provide the goods, we must have better options than that throughout the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2022, 07:03:57 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 13, 2022, 07:08:44 AM
Find his way? No need...the car is ready and waiting and I’ve done us some sandwiches for the trip.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 07:33:53 AM
I would hope our transfer policy is no longer to build a team around one player, but to provide a cohesive unit that allows individuals to strut their stuff, while the team performs on a collective level.

Too long have we relied on one/two people to provide the goods, we must have better options than that throughout the squad.

Yep. Coutinho, Buendia and Ramsey are all good players that can, have, and will make a difference.

We need to sort out how we plan to play though and, it appears, we need to buy different players to suit the manager's system.

Under Smith (sorry) we could just about cope without a defensive midfielder, under Gerrard it's an absolute necessity (because of the full backs' positioning). We should therefore be buying two of them, unless Nakamba can do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 07:37:37 AM
I'd keep Ings.

I'm pretty sure Archer could do a job of sorts next season but it's too early to put the pressure on him being a starter.

I do think it's inevitable Gerrard will be after another striker though. Abraham? He'd be first choice now, and I'd wager that was part of the reason he didn't come last summer, with Watkins having done so well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.
If we'd come into this season with just Watkins and Davis as back up we'd rightly have been complaing we once once again light up front.  And right now I'm sure people would be saying Ings is just the sort of quality experienced striker we need for next season.

I think people forget how good he is.  He's been one of the best finishers in the league for years.  And although he seems to have lost his shooting boots this season I still think his overall game has been impressive - his hold up and link up play is miles ahead of Watkins.  Part of the problem has been some niggling injuries, a lack of consistent game time and no settled formation.  Personally I wish Gerrard would just comit to him for the rest of the season as a loan striker to see what he can do.

As for Bissouma, yes absolutely.  We should have got him in Jan and he's still a good option now.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 09:20:10 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 09:22:59 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Harry Kane missed load of chances in the first half of the season.  Was right off form.  Looked past it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 09:42:35 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Harry Kane missed load of chances in the first half of the season.  Was right off form.  Looked past it?
If only the comparison was valid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2022, 09:56:17 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.

I'm not sure, I just don't get the obsession with Bissouma, he's ok but I think some people are in danger of setting the bar so high for him (if he does join) that he'll stand no chance of meeting their expectations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 10:07:05 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 10:32:49 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
Goal conversion ratio 13.5%
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

Instinctive one on finishes against Brentford and Southampton. He's more impressive gettingbhis shotsnaway quickly than Watkins is.

On the downside, he must have been thinking of his stonking bicycle kick against Newcastle on Saturday, cos he launched himself in the air twice against Spurs for shots when he didn't need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 13, 2022, 10:45:10 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.
I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

As for this season, yes he's missed chances but I don't think his overall play has been shocking by any means.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ez on April 13, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
I have to admit I bought into that portrayal but he looks just about done at this level probably due to injuries. If we can get half our money back we should take it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
He'll only look done when he's not getting into the positions to score goals. His movement and lay-offs are still more than adequate. We just need to find him in the right places more frequently for him to get his shots off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 13, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
For whatever reason, it just hasn't worked out for Ings at Villa. He's a good player though. He got a move to Liverpool on the back of great performances for Burnley and only failed at Anfield because he had terrible injury problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 11:21:26 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Thats not really the point.  Youre pretty much now calling him a one season wonder.  That didn't come accross as your views on him when he signed. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 12:35:22 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Thats not really the point.  Youre pretty much now calling him a one season wonder.  That didn't come accross as your views on him when he signed.

Shit the fucking bed, ace!!

He's a really good goal scorer, but also has a nice bit of skill to him. He did Luiz up like a kipper in one of the games last year, where he dummied it and sort of chipped it past him. You'd have expected a Brazilian to have done that to him, not the other way round.

So many lovely options! Ings as the 9, Watkins and Bailey wide, Buendia as the 10, Traore in the wings, but most of them nice and interchangeable.

Superb goal, nothing more to say. Wasn't one of those overhead kicks that are hit and hope but look good when they work, he intentionally arrowed it into the corner. I can't even begin to imagine how you do that.

Sorry Risso.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on April 13, 2022, 01:00:27 PM
It has rarely worked well when we have tried to push the boat out and sign players supposedly at their peak. I'm thinking of players like Collymore, Stone, Angel etc. Even in the Championship there was McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia etc.

It's easy to say now, whilst being broadly supportive of signing Ings, I was sceptical about his age, injury record, lack of re-sale value and tactical specificity.

I suppose it's obvious, but when you sign players at their peak, it really has to work out - the transfer fees are high risk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 13, 2022, 01:54:57 PM
It has rarely worked well when we have tried to push the boat out and sign players supposedly at their peak. I'm thinking of players like Collymore, Stone, Angel etc. Even in the Championship there was McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia etc.

It's easy to say now, whilst being broadly supportive of signing Ings, I was sceptical about his age, injury record, lack of re-sale value and tactical specificity.

I suppose it's obvious, but when you sign players at their peak, it really has to work out - the transfer fees are high risk.

Angel ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 13, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 04:34:21 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Possibly on current form.  But Ings is certainly the more accomplished finisher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 04:41:56 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Possibly on current form.  But Ings is certainly the more accomplished finisher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2022, 07:32:00 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.

There was the odd cynic...kind of glass half empty merchants, mind. Think we were in a collective post Grealish depression and Ings seemed the perfect panacea. But the partnership with Watkins has never looked like working unfortunately bar the odd day like against his old club.

I wasn't expecting an elite athlete but he genuinely looks gassed after about 60 mins when he starts for us. That day at West Ham, he looked knackered before half time. Gerrard wants his forwards pressing hard from the front but that's not Ings game at all. From what I recall of him at Southampton, he was more about movement in and around the box.

Just seems like the classic poor fit for us. Excellent movement for two gilt edged chances v Spurs and flunks the finishing bit that his career suggests in his strength. He will probably do a decent job elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 07:43:06 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 07:52:57 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Yeah it's probably not Ings fault that he cant kick a football at a big massive goal from 6 yards out.

Why are we making excuses for Ings all the time? Hes been piss poor for Villa, it doesn't matter what the formation is or how hes used, he has had numerous chances. He hasn't just missed them he cant even connect with a football correctly.

I give Ollie a bit of slack because he works really hard but even that is wearing thin but Ings has no redeeming features.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 07:55:19 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 07:59:39 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

so my apologies if that was sarcasm that went over my head, but I call that an excuse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

Unless that was sarcasm that went over my head.
that was one comment, which is pretty accurate.

Doesn't really strike me as people making excuses for Ings all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

Unless that was sarcasm that went over my head.
that was one comment, which is pretty accurate.

Doesn't really strike me as people making excuses for Ings all the time.

Well lets agree to disagree. I don't want to get into a long you I said thread.

It doesn't matter what anyone says Ings simply cant connect with a ball never mind have a shot.
Perhaps it was an exaggeration on my part but Ollie was getting a lot of stick which he may deserve and Ings was getting a away with a lot until very recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 08:26:27 PM
Ings missed two absolute sitters in the first half on Saturday. The volley from a free kick which he hit straight at the keeper and then a dreadful scuffed shot from a Watkins header after a corner. The tactics were therefore obviously fine, as we created chance after chance. He just botched both chances horribly. Hard to see how that is Gerrard not getting the best out of him to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2022, 08:43:53 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.

There was the odd cynic...kind of glass half empty merchants, mind. Think we were in a collective post Grealish depression and Ings seemed the perfect panacea. But the partnership with Watkins has never looked like working unfortunately bar the odd day like against his old club.

I wasn't expecting an elite athlete but he genuinely looks gassed after about 60 mins when he starts for us. That day at West Ham, he looked knackered before half time. Gerrard wants his forwards pressing hard from the front but that's not Ings game at all. From what I recall of him at Southampton, he was more about movement in and around the box.

Just seems like the classic poor fit for us. Excellent movement for two gilt edged chances v Spurs and flunks the finishing bit that his career suggests in his strength. He will probably do a decent job elsewhere.


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 13, 2022, 10:10:47 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 14, 2022, 11:29:27 AM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 14, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?

Offer of first team football?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
We pay big bucks, and don't put too much pressure on players to deliver. The Villa offer is the best a man can get.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 14, 2022, 02:03:10 PM
There's a long way between scouting a player and offering them a deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?

Offer of first team football?

Stevie G?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2022, 02:44:52 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 15, 2022, 02:52:23 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 15, 2022, 07:20:37 AM
so many thought it was a great signing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 15, 2022, 07:22:39 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 15, 2022, 09:54:01 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.

I'm guessing this post is sarcasm?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2022, 11:37:03 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

It worked in the Brighton, Southampton and Leeds games. And they played well enough and created enough chances against Tottenham to have won the game. I'd liked to see it given between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 15, 2022, 12:10:52 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.

I'm guessing this post is sarcasm?

Yes, mate. I was riled up this morning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2022, 01:24:39 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 15, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I’d prefer him what pulled Joe’s hair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 15, 2022, 05:12:01 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.

Hope he's better than his cousin we got from Wigan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 15, 2022, 06:12:47 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.
Do we know what the fee would be?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2022, 07:21:18 PM
No more ogbias in this lifetime pls.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 18, 2022, 10:15:32 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2022, 01:15:36 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

It worked in the Brighton, Southampton and Leeds games. And they played well enough and created enough chances against Tottenham to have won the game. I'd liked to see it given between now and the end of the season.

Point taken, but then I suppose the counter to that is they were only three games and it hasn't worked in a lot more.  One of my main issues with it is that when they play away from that central role and drift into wider and deeper areas, both give the ball away a lot. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 19, 2022, 08:29:35 AM
These Suarez links won’t go away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2022, 08:36:05 AM
If you go away on this summer day
Then you might as well take the sun away
All the birds that flew in a summer sky
When our love was new and our hearts were high…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 19, 2022, 11:45:18 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2022, 11:50:06 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.

That sounds a bit like what we have already in Nakamba to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 19, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.

That sounds a bit like what we have already in Nakamba to be honest.
Exactly what I thought, albeit he does have a very good CV and has played at a higher level I guess.  But (according to this analysis) he's no Declan Rice unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 19, 2022, 12:27:04 PM
Not seen him in action but he has played for a lot of top clubs and also ,according to Wikipedia,he can play left back and in central defence.Also got some caps for France at a young age in non competitive matches before switching his allegiance to Central African Republic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 19, 2022, 05:16:46 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 19, 2022, 07:21:52 PM
Kondogbia is a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 20, 2022, 07:03:52 PM
Kalidou Koulibaly on clickbait
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 20, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Buendia?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on April 20, 2022, 08:04:01 PM
This was posted on the Birmingham Mail in response to an article saying that Chieck Doucoure (Lens midfielder) who we rumoured to be looking at last summer is being lined up by Palace - it made me laugh anyway.

If Villa did want him I think they may be able to outbid Palace if not it's not a problem as this is just one of the 100's of midfielders Villa are buying this window add to that the 100's of defenders and attackers we are also buying we are going to need a much bigger training ground and we can fill the north stand with unused squad players . Any players left that they have not been linked with ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 20, 2022, 08:48:38 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 20, 2022, 08:49:35 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Asking if they will take sanson back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 20, 2022, 09:22:56 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Buendia?

I was thinking more of a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 20, 2022, 09:24:16 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 20, 2022, 10:33:35 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?

He’d be a good pick up.
I wonder if we’re after a striker, Milik is proven although had some recent injury problems and by all accounts has a modest buy out clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2022, 11:01:38 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?

He’d be a good pick up.
I wonder if we’re after a striker, Milik is proven although had some recent injury problems and by all accounts has a modest buy out clause.

I'd be much happier with Kamara than Bissouma, looks a very good player for me, but would need some time to settle.

Milik is a fantastic player but as far as I'm aware he's on loan this year but already signed to join permanently in the summer, I can't imagine he'd be available.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 20, 2022, 11:19:52 PM
I just remember hearing that he had a buyout clause of around £15m, perhaps that was the pre arranged fee with Napoli then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Boubacar Kamara?
Better to turn a £20m player (B Kamara) into a £50m player, rather than the reverse (i.e. Bissouma)?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2022, 09:59:13 AM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on April 21, 2022, 11:05:34 AM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Boubacar Kamara?
Better to turn a £20m player (B Kamara) into a £50m player, rather than the reverse (i.e. Bissouma)?

But thats the Villa way!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2022, 12:27:02 PM
Purslow being there suggests something happening other than mere scouting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 21, 2022, 12:51:53 PM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey

There is some real quality on that list, which is encouraging
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2022, 01:17:20 PM
Mind you, we've done so well with our imports from the French League over the years you can understand the continuing interest;
Berson, Djemba-Djemba (via Man Yoo), Makoun, Sylla, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Engels, Traore, Guilbert, Sanson.

Ok Carew was good and Gueye wasn't bad as well i suppose. To be fair plenty of talent with most of the others but were pretty unsuitable for the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2022, 01:19:18 PM
Mind you, we've done so well with our imports from the French League over the years you can understand the continuing interest;
Berson, Djemba-Djemba (via Man Yoo), Makoun, Sylla, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Engels, Traore, Guilbert, Sanson.
Ok Carew was good and Gueye wasn't bad as well i suppose. To be fair plenty of talent with most of the others but were pretty unsuitable for the PL.
Well, that certainly sucked the positivism out of my day; thanks!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
There was role in the offing for our own BE to replace Lorna McClelland as our Player Liaison Officer. He could have made sure all those French lads fell in love with Brum and the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 21, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey

Hickey
Ginter
Bounacar Kamara and Kalvin Philips
Coutinho

Bring Kessler & Archer into the squad.  Sign up Chuk.

Lets not bother spending fortunes on a 35 y/o but if you can twist Tammy's arm that would be lovely.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 21, 2022, 03:58:27 PM
There was role in the offing for our own BE to replace Lorna McClelland as our Player Liaison Officer. He could have made sure all those French lads fell in love with Brum and the club.
I'd have delegated Percy to show them round.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 23, 2022, 10:59:09 AM
Fulham loanee Seko Fofana (playing for Lens currently) rumoured to be on our radar (BBC website, 23-04-22).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 23, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2022, 12:11:13 PM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.

I'm not sure, he's a very good player but he'd take the role that Ramsey has in the team and I reckon that's the least of our worries in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 23, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.


I'm not sure, he's a very good player but he'd take the role that Ramsey has in the team and I reckon that's the least of our worries in there.

Don’t disagree regarding Ramsey but competition and arguably better than McGinn/Luiz. By no means a priority position but sometimes if a player becomes available
who wouldn’t normally be for whatever reason and who’s an upgrade it might happen. We’ve done it in the not too distant past with Sanson and Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 24, 2022, 12:02:53 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 24, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
I'd like to see in a centre forward and a defensive midfielder, minimum.
Then I'd like a 4-2-1-3
Defence as they are (if no serious upgrades are available).
Midfield 2 = The new guy & Tim/Marvellous.
Midfield 1 = Ramsey/McGinn/Luiz
Forward 3 = The new guy and what we have, plus Cameron.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2022, 05:00:30 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2022, 08:13:28 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2022, 08:26:35 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.

Boubacar Kamara is out of contract in the summer and can therefore sign an agreement with aclub outside France right now, Purslow being there for the scouting trip makes him the most obvious target I think, and I hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 24, 2022, 08:46:41 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.

Boubacar Kamara is out of contract in the summer and can therefore sign an agreement with aclub outside France right now, Purslow being there for the scouting trip makes him the most obvious target I think, and I hope that's the case.
Yes hopefully.  But i do wonder if CP was just there so they can discuss things more generally - probably difficult to get the three of them to find time, and a flight, meal and match would be a good time - plus scouting
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2022, 08:58:59 PM
Yes hopefully.  But i do wonder if CP was just there so they can discuss things more generally - probably difficult to get the three of them to find time, and a flight, meal and match would be a good time - plus scouting

Sounds plausible, just surprised someone hasn't tried to claim it was a 'PR stunt' by Purslow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 25, 2022, 10:40:47 AM
Wishlist...

Andre Silva (RB Leipzig)
Moussa Diaby (Leverkusen)
Josef Martinez (Atlanta)
Rafa Silva (Benfica)
Tyler Adams (RB Leipzig)
Teun Koopmeiners (Atalanta)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2022, 11:02:22 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2022, 11:20:48 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

That's a big part of the reqason why he's my first choice, means we can pick up 3 players in the £30-50m range (including Coutinho) and really change the spine of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 25, 2022, 11:31:10 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

That's a big part of the reqason why he's my first choice, means we can pick up 3 players in the £30-50m range (including Coutinho) and really change the spine of the team.

Agree, and with Marvellous to come back (who was a revelation under Gerrard prior to getting injured) and Iroegbunan to develop we would look a lot stronger. It would also allow us to dump Luiz and bring in £15-20m to chuck in the pot for transfers elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 25, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I think considering how badly we need a quality player there and how long we've waited i'd be happy for us to get Kamara on a free and spend up to £50m on another of the same type. If one's shit and one's good at least we will have sorted the position. There might be games where we would be wise to play the 2 anyway, if they're both good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2022, 06:23:17 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I wonder how much of that supposed 50 mill will be spent on persuading Kamara to sign on the dotted line though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 25, 2022, 11:51:17 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I wonder how much of that supposed 50 mill will be spent on persuading Kamara to sign on the dotted line though.

Probably around 50m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on April 26, 2022, 02:28:12 PM
Would Eriksen not be a better signining instead of Phil?
4 mths older + looked more consistent and sharper than PC? Wages seem to half as well...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2022, 02:36:02 PM
Would Eriksen not be a better signining instead of Phil?
4 mths older + looked more consistent and sharper than PC? Wages seem to half as well...
Possibly, but I do have a bit of an issue about building a team around any one player. Without wishing to sound like Purslow 10 months' ago, we need our game to be played through several people so that oppositions don't simply target one player and the rest of the team looks bereft when said player is not available (a la Grealish).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 09:47:27 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
And, according to the Daily Mail, Ewan Simpson from Hearts (15 year old attacking midfielder)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10756055/Aston-Villa-talks-sign-15-year-old-Hearts-starlet-Ewan-Simpson.html
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2022, 04:02:36 PM
Is there any hope the Gucci model could come back this summer? Not even getting a minute in their most important games lately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 27, 2022, 04:33:54 PM
He doesn't really look like he's too arsed about it considering how he's been joyfully hugging and celebrating with goalscorers from the sidelines in said games. From Man City's point of view they could have just hired a mascot to do that. I think i'd want him back on loan first to make sure that his mind isn't more focused on his new modelling career rather than football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
He doesn't really look like he's too arsed about it considering how he's been joyfully hugging and celebrating with goalscorers from the sidelines in said games. From Man City's point of view they could have just hired a mascot to do that. I think i'd want him back on loan first to make sure that his mind isn't more focused on his new modelling career rather than football.
I agree.  I'm not against bringing Joe home, but I'd want a loan-to-buy arrangement to make sure that he's properly motivated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2022, 04:44:53 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2022, 05:05:45 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.
Yes, I think some of the writing off of Jack is a bit premature.  It seems quite a few players take a while to settle into the Pep way.  I expect him to be much more involved next season.

But yes, I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2022, 07:14:20 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.
Agree, I don't think he has the character to deal with adversity. I expect more headlines in the Gossip pages than Sports pages.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2022, 07:22:31 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

Fodens best position is on the left wing though. He also can play on the right as can Mahrez who brings a lot of goals. They don't seem to play with a genuine 10 either, not that Jack ever convinced too much in that role outside the second division. None of them, aside from KdB, convince in that false 9 role. When Haaland joins, that goes away anyway leads to less sympathy run outs like he had at the weekend.

Grealish for all his talents just doesn't seem the right fit there. Sterling too is surely off this summer. Grealish is at his best when the play is funnelled through him and he can run with the ball. Pep doesn't want that. He does it well with England too even in some recent games.

Let's not kid ourselves, he'd be the best player in our team immediately with or without Gucci, Sasha and the rest of his circus. Would also improve every other attacking player too, he even had Ross Barkley looking competent for a while!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 08:37:12 PM
Mahrez took over a year to settle and I suspect Jack will be the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2022, 09:11:09 PM
Mahrez took over a year to settle and I suspect Jack will be the same.
I think you might want to compare the stats.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 09:37:14 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2022, 09:48:02 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2022, 09:51:02 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.

Their signing of him was pretty revolting really - they just had to sign him, because they could - he was the hottest property and they had to had him. It didn't really matter whether or not they'd really get the best out of their £100m, they just had to show that they could get him.

They are people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I suspect he'll hang around there for 2 or 3 years, spend a lot of time on the bench and then go somewhere dispiriting like Everton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
Not sure he’ll want to drop to League One.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.

I wouldn't bet against City fans feeling about Grealish the way Real Madrid fans feel about Gareth Bale in about 3 or 4 years.  All the talent in the world, but he's wasted in a team that plays the way City does. He'll either step up and slowly take over De Bruyne's position over the next two years, or he'll become known as one of the most expensive flops in football history.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 28, 2022, 06:49:08 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 28, 2022, 07:16:41 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!

Good news. Roma linked with Doug Luiz again. They must be looking for a corner kick specialist.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2022, 07:29:24 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £10m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2022, 07:40:35 AM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.

I wouldn't bet against City fans feeling about Grealish the way Real Madrid fans feel about Gareth Bale in about 3 or 4 years.  All the talent in the world, but he's wasted in a team that plays the way City does. He'll either step up and slowly take over De Bruyne's position over the next two years, or he'll become known as one of the most expensive flops in football history.

Coutinho would pass him the trophy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 08:39:45 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 08:59:53 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

Well, he’s certainly well rested! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:20:45 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!

Good news. Roma linked with Doug Luiz again. They must be looking for a corner kick specialist.

So why do they want to sign Doug then? :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 09:21:22 AM
I think that was the joke …
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:22:20 AM
I think that was the joke …

I know....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 09:23:33 AM
They’re not funny if you have to explain them! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
They’re not funny if you have to explain them! ;)

You're a nasty man sometimes Risso. Only kidding  ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

It's meant to be a 0. I've been up since half 5, leave me be you bully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 09:41:39 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

It's meant to be a 0. I've been up since half 5, leave me be you bully.

We ought to be able to sell him for £0, yes. Wedgie in the post.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on April 28, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?


Cost of living inflation
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
the sanson deal has been really frustrating, watch him rock up in the champions league somewhere
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2022, 04:49:44 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2022, 05:00:22 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.

I reckon they did a Mike Ashley special, and marked the RRP miles higher to make the discount look more appealing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2022, 06:05:44 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.

I reckon they did a Mike Ashley special, and marked the RRP miles higher to make the discount look more appealing

There were a few clubs after him that summer. I think Leeds had a £17m bid turned down. Whatever, I'd rather keep him until we have better players in the team (not squad).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 06:43:58 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 08:38:43 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Us: "take him if you want, but we want a £6m profit on what we paid last year."
Them: "but you think he's shit. You never play him."
Us: "his last club wanted £25m for him."
Them: "and you paid £14m. We'll give you £5m."
Us: "thank you thank you thank you thank you."

Edit: I don't think he's shit, btw. I have no idea because he hasn't played.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2022, 08:44:03 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Inflation, I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 28, 2022, 08:53:39 PM
He's another Veretout for me. Plenty of opportunities unfathomably missed to give him a run, then he'll start playing regular CL after we give him away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Us: "take him if you want, but we want a £6m profit on what we paid last year."
Them: "but you think he's shit. You never play him."
Us: "his last club wanted £25m for him."
Them: "and you paid £14m. We'll give you £5m."
Us: "thank you thank you thank you thank you."

Edit: I don't think he's shit, btw. I have no idea because he hasn't played.
Yeah, but at £14m he was a steal. That’s about what we paid for Targett, who was also a squad player at a mid table side. I was meaning more that I wouldn’t sell on the cheap because it’s going to cost us more then £14m to replace him with someone better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 09:27:04 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Inflation, I guess.
Villa tax.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 28, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
If I was looking at offloading midfielders then Sanson would be behind Luiz and McGinn in the queue. Both of whom would go for significantly more than the value on the books and help with FFP. Selling Sanson who is more than good enough to command at least a squad place would raise nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 28, 2022, 09:48:22 PM
If I was looking at offloading midfielders then Sanson would be behind Luiz and McGinn in the queue. Both of whom would go for significantly more than the value on the books and help with FFP. Selling Sanson who is more than good enough to command at least a squad place would raise nothing.
Luiz will go which makes sense

McGinns going nowhere unless he wants to I would guess

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on April 29, 2022, 06:42:21 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.

If Digne is going to be like a tampon (one week in, three weeks out), then we could do with a left back and Hickey would be a good signing.

I saw him play for Bolgnia at Lazio on a trip to Rome a few months ago and he played the first half at right back and looked just as assured. Very much a modern full back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.

If Digne is going to be like a tampon (one week in, three weeks out), then we could do with a left back and Hickey would be a good signing.

I saw him play for Bolgnia at Lazio on a trip to Rome a few months ago and he played the first half at right back and looked just as assured. Very much a modern full back.

I've not seen him play but you can't go wrong with a full back who can play both flanks. He's not going to want and come and sit on our bench though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on April 29, 2022, 09:01:53 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 29, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Sanson and Luiz out - two new top DM/CM in imo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 29, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
I can't see why Hickey would come.  Coming to compete with Targett is one thing, coming to compete with a £25m French international who we have just signed is another.  The press are reporting Bologna want to keep him and AC Milan, Newcastle United, Brentford are all interested.

I think we've missed the boat with this lad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:26:16 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility

I'd cash in on Matty to athletico say £40m we have to take that and have Kessler-Hayden and Youngy as back up
Maybe go for Tavernier of Rangers as he fits the system well Gerrard knows him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
Hasn't Cash just signed a new 5 year contract.  He's going nowhere.  And rightly so, possibly our most consistent player this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:31:16 AM
I have been out of football touch for a while missed this news. Oh I wonder if Purslows put a release clause we don't think a club would ever possibly meet...
Just that there were many strong rumours before about Athletico signing him so some sort of champions League team release clause is only fair if not specified amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2022, 11:03:53 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.

A solid theory, if you ignore all the losses.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2022, 11:19:41 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.

A solid theory, if you ignore all the losses.
Yeh, if thats us with a winning attitude I would hate to see what defeatist would look like.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Gerrard wants 2 genuine options for every position and competition for places so it wouldn't surprise me if we did want Hickey. Even better if he can play right back with Hayden training with the first team and starting to push Cash for a place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 29, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
I can't see why Hickey would come.  Coming to compete with Targett is one thing, coming to compete with a £25m French international who we have just signed is another.  The press are reporting Bologna want to keep him and AC Milan, Newcastle United, Brentford are all interested.

I think we've missed the boat with this lad.
I'd be less concerned if he can play on both flanks, you'd expect him to get a decent number of games through injuries, suspensions, and squad rotation. Think he could easy rack up 30-odd appearances (10 starts at either position + 10 subs appearances).

Personally I'd see if KKH could get a loan in the Championship for a season. Hopefully we'd be in Europe the season after and so the 4 fullbacks would get plenty of games.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 29, 2022, 12:07:05 PM
West Ham and Aston Villa are among the teams in contention to sign Colombia midfielder James Rodriguez, 30, from Qatari side Al Rayyan. (Fichajes - in Spanish)

Galatasaray and Denmark centre-back Victor Nelsson, 23, has been linked with a move to Aston Villa. (Tum Spor - in Turkish)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 29, 2022, 12:08:46 PM
Can’t see this happening

Norwich boss Dean Smith wants to sign Aston Villa's 20-year-old English striker Cameron Archer, who is on loan at Preston. (TeamTalk)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

But his performances on the pitch are...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 29, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
I'd keep Young if we were buying Hickey & he was happy as 4th choice fullback / emergency midfield cover. Otherwise, it's a "no" from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on April 29, 2022, 01:00:02 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

I dont think they are at all, he's too easy to wind up. His petulance in injury time at Molineux when we should have been busting a gut to get the ball was pathetic and played right into Wolves game plan of winding the game down to a slow halt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on April 29, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

But his performances on the pitch are...

Played well last week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
West Ham and Aston Villa are among the teams in contention to sign Colombia midfielder James Rodriguez, 30, from Qatari side Al Rayyan. (Fichajes - in Spanish)
Galatasaray and Denmark centre-back Victor Nelsson, 23, has been linked with a move to Aston Villa. (Tum Spor - in Turkish)
James Rodriguez? - fuck, no!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2022, 01:54:20 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

I dont think they are at all, he's too easy to wind up. His petulance in injury time at Molineux when we should have been busting a gut to get the ball was pathetic and played right into Wolves game plan of winding the game down to a slow halt.

He's a fighter with a strong will to win. We've lacked that for a long time, someone who is straight to the ref and arguing our case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2022, 02:23:12 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

And he actually was the best player on the pitch last week too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 29, 2022, 02:47:10 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

And he actually was the best player on the pitch last week too.

He was but I wouldn't want him possibly slowing the progress of the talent coming through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 29, 2022, 03:50:55 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2022, 05:25:18 PM
why does he need to be out the door? Why can't he become a squad player who is effective for his energy late in games and can contribute as a starter periodically.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2022, 06:01:34 PM
I can think a few out the door before Mcginn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
First out of the door seems like bit of an overstatement but if United, or someone, came offering £50m+ I would't exactly be telling them to get lost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on April 29, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on April 29, 2022, 06:54:49 PM
Think it would have to be something ridiculous like 50 million, if Luiz, Carney and Sanson are going in the summer,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 07:30:26 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else


What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2022, 08:03:20 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.

That's my take on it too. Yes, McGinn has been disappointing this season, but he's still shown flashes of what he's capable of and I do not want us writing off players until we've seen them playing with eleven square pegs in eleven square holes. I'm also accutely aware that form is temporary, and he is in bad form. He's not a bad player. 

I'm not certain he will be able to step up a significant level with a proper DM behind him, but you know damn well that if he moves somewhere that plays a bit more to his strengths he'll make our decision to let him go look foolish. 

I suspect Gerrard knows full well what McGinn would be capable of in a team of his choosing, so if he stays this summer I'd expect him to play a big part next season.  He's British, reasonably successful at International level, and now well established in the premier league - if we're looking to move people on to create space and generate funds for a rebuild, he'll be one of the first to go if Gerrard doesn't 100% fancy him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante. One year left on his deal this summer. He's apparently not Champion's League quality anymore (this comes from listening to podcasts, rather than seeing him myself. My eyes are too beautiful to watch Chelsea), but he'd be a good option for us for a couple of years, perhaps.

Lovely lad too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2022, 09:31:34 PM
Kante is comfortably still Champions League quality in my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 29, 2022, 09:59:31 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante. One year left on his deal this summer. He's apparently not Champion's League quality anymore (this comes from listening to podcasts, rather than seeing him myself. My eyes are too beautiful to watch Chelsea), but he'd be a good option for us for a couple of years, perhaps.

Lovely lad too.

Yes yes and yes again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:02:24 PM
Kante is comfortably still Champions League quality in my view.

Even more reason to get him. If Chelsea wanted to keep him long-term they'd have signed him up by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:13:48 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2022, 10:14:47 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante.

Too short plus he's a Chelsea 'legend'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:18:17 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.

They're not allowed to sign anyone *right now*, but they've known how long his contract runs for since he signed it. Clubs that want to keep a player don't let it get to the last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:20:35 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante.

plus he's a Chelsea 'legend'.

So was that twat we got from them when we were in the second division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:21:36 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2022, 10:23:34 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.

They're not allowed to sign anyone *right now*, but they've known how long his contract runs for since he signed it. Clubs that want to keep a player don't let it get to the last year.

It’s weird what’s happened at Chelsea.  Rudiger, Christiansen and Azpilagueta (sp?) can all leave on a free this summer, possibly Silva too.  That’s 3/4 of their defence.

Kante would be amazing.  Definitely worth asking agents etc to see if there’s the remotest possibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.

Salah is looking for budget-breakingly astronomical wages. I doubt Kante is (by Chelsea standards).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:29:34 PM
Maybe. You've won me over. He will do as backup to Kalvin Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2022, 10:30:04 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.

Salah is looking for budget-breakingly astronomical wages. I doubt Kante is (by Chelsea standards).

Say it's half a million a week, so two years would cost £52m.

Tell him we'll pay it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:31:42 PM
Give him ten grand a week and make the rest up in vouchers for local attractions like Warwick Castle and the back to backs. Then keep calling him in for extra training so he never gets the time to use the vouchers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2022, 10:45:27 PM
That's the kind of hard nosed nous this club has been missing for too long.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2022, 11:19:02 PM
That's the kind of hard nosed nous this club has been missing for too long.

Indeed, CDBF certainly knows the art of the deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 11:34:52 PM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
Give him ten grand a week and make the rest up in vouchers for local attractions like Warwick Castle and the back to backs. Then keep calling him in for extra training so he never gets the time to use the vouchers.
This is an excellent idea. We could get the vouchers so they were for him and a friend. Then get either Elmo or Trez to befriend him & show an interest in going to Dudley Zoo or Cadbury World with him. Then, boom, we get them to phone us whenever he has a plan to go & we can arrange the extra training sessions to clash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2022, 08:24:16 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 30, 2022, 08:42:35 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.

A walk round Dudley outdoor market would definatley swing it I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on April 30, 2022, 08:45:34 AM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
For much of this season he has had problems retaining the football or managing to pass to a Villa shirt.

Not a problem with Scotland. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on April 30, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.

That's my take on it too. Yes, McGinn has been disappointing this season, but he's still shown flashes of what he's capable of and I do not want us writing off players until we've seen them playing with eleven square pegs in eleven square holes. I'm also accutely aware that form is temporary, and he is in bad form. He's not a bad player. 

I'm not certain he will be able to step up a significant level with a proper DM behind him, but you know damn well that if he moves somewhere that plays a bit more to his strengths he'll make our decision to let him go look foolish. 

I suspect Gerrard knows full well what McGinn would be capable of in a team of his choosing, so if he stays this summer I'd expect him to play a big part next season.  He's British, reasonably successful at International level, and now well established in the premier league - if we're looking to move people on to create space and generate funds for a rebuild, he'll be one of the first to go if Gerrard doesn't 100% fancy him.
McGinn has not looked anywhere near his best since his big buddy, Jack (Splinters) Grealish, departed the scene.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 30, 2022, 08:51:16 AM
Maybe a swift pint in the Saracens head too. Not been in for years but I definitely remember it being a classy establishment and not somewhere where it’s recommended to mostly stare down at your shoes whilst you’re in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2022, 09:25:49 AM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
For much of this season he has had problems retaining the football or managing to pass to a Villa shirt.

Not a problem with Scotland. I don't know why.

Because most of Scotland's games have been against absolute dross.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2022, 09:36:56 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.

It's where people from Wolverhampton go to see what life will be like in the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 30, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”

Henderson? Behave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
More like Milner!

Wijnaldum?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 01, 2022, 05:41:29 AM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”

Henderson? Behave.

Because he wouldn't come or due to not rating the captain of possibly the best (spit!) team in the world?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2022, 08:10:50 AM
Because he wouldn't come to us. He's only 31 and still a key part of a team competing for every trophy in the game, every year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 02, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
I guess, by the Law of Averages, we're eventually going to make a success of one these Transfer Window thingy's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 02, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
Because he wouldn't come to us. He's only 31 and still a key part of a team competing for every trophy in the game, every year.

Too old at that age... 😉

When there was talk of a contractual impasse I wondered of it might be a goer but nah, it's not happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 02, 2022, 11:43:15 AM
Our deficiencies are being a bit too open defensively in midfield after our first press has been beaten. We let sides carry it far too deep before we recover, which places extra pressure on the centre of defence. It also exposes gaps that full backs have vacated.

Generally when we're set, we have a nice defensive shape, but the turnover is where we're weakest.

For me it's not just somebody who can add physical presence and put their foot in, but somebody with recovery pace too.

The other issue is how cheaply we treat the ball at times. We can mask some of the problems above by keeping it better. This will.benefit the likes of Coutinho etc, as we'll spend more of the game feeding possession through him than not.

I want us to press like the Scousers do. Two athletic midfielders who can screen and use the ball efficiently are absolutely critical.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 02, 2022, 05:44:35 PM
Our deficiencies are being a bit too open defensively in midfield after our first press has been beaten. We let sides carry it far too deep before we recover, which places extra pressure on the centre of defence. It also exposes gaps that full backs have vacated.

Generally when we're set, we have a nice defensive shape, but the turnover is where we're weakest.

For me it's not just somebody who can add physical presence and put their foot in, but somebody with recovery pace too.

The other issue is how cheaply we treat the ball at times. We can mask some of the problems above by keeping it better. This will.benefit the likes of Coutinho etc, as we'll spend more of the game feeding possession through him than not.

I want us to press like the Scousers do. Two athletic midfielders who can screen and use the ball efficiently are absolutely critical.

This is pretty much my thoughts. I think with 2 such sitters we could look at playing 4-2-3-1 which then also allows us to get Coutinho and Bunedia into the same side. I’ve said it previously that I think Renato Sanches (whilst requiring some work) could be a very useful one of those 2 sitters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on May 05, 2022, 01:15:31 PM
Ndidi as a target - quoted for 50m in some news today. Surprisingly only 24, I thought he was older
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 05, 2022, 01:39:16 PM
I guess we'll be linked with pretty much every decent DM accross Europe outside of the elite players.

FWIW I'd take Ndidi, he's a decent player but he'd come with a big price tag.  I'll let others argue about that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2022, 02:35:30 PM
If I was being greedy I'd like 2 DMs and another box-to-box or more attacking option.

I'm basing this on expecting Sanson and Luiz to go which leaves us with just McGinn and Ramsey as the 8s and Nakamba as a 6. 2 more players happy to play 6 and another option at 8 gives us loads of flexibility in how we setup in midfield. If one of those DMs can also cover as the 4th CB then great and if the attacking player could also play at 10/wide again I'd be very happy with the flexibility that would give us.

After that I'd want a replacement for Targett (assuming he leaves) and someone who can play as a target man. I guess we need a backup keeper as well, assuming Steer wants to go (hopefully we keep Olsen for another year and give him and Sinisalo a chance to fight it out for the bench spot).

I haven't watched enough football in the last year or so to have any idea who though but I really like the look of Boubacar Kamara on a free and Jonathan David and Nonu Madueke look exceptional young players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Christopher Nkunku playing for RB Leipzig vs Rangers tonight someone to keep eyes on. Very decent player. Wants to leave this summer. Attacking flair player. 24 would be wonderful
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 05, 2022, 02:56:50 PM
Matthias Ginter has gone back to Freiburg
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Well that's a shame. Hopefully we have a few more irons in the freir.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2022, 08:56:24 PM
Jonathan David is being linked with clubs higher up the food chain than us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
I look forward to getting excited about a load of players I've never heard of before, only to be disappointed when we don't sign them, or to be more disappointed later on when we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on May 05, 2022, 09:18:24 PM
If we signed two DM and two CB (and I mean straight into the first team as upgrades type signings), I would be happy - it's the spine of the team that's our handicap. Wrap around them the 5/6 quality players we already have on the books (Emi x2, Matty, Lucas, Jacob, Watkins, SJM) and then have the likes of Tim, Carney, Archer, Ezri, Ings, Marvelous etc fighting it out to get into the squad) would have us comfortably top half.   

Has to be the minimum target next year. A European place would be a bonus- just don't think the squad or coaching set up is strong enough and one transfer window wont get us there. 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 05, 2022, 10:01:54 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 05, 2022, 10:09:18 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
we’ve got the wrong manager

Agreed!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 05, 2022, 10:11:54 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
we’ve got the wrong manager

Agreed!

ha ha see what you did there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 05, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
IF Press reports are true (big IF) we seem to be getting the bums rush from just about all our transfer targets so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 05, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Garry Thompsons book is good if you want a Villa bio. Also BFR's first book A Different Ball Game. Much better than his second one The Manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2022, 11:12:32 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch

I don't think you've been paying attention to how deep McGinn and Ramsey have played. At times we've had all 3 of them deeper than the fullbacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 06, 2022, 07:34:22 AM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch

I don't think you've been paying attention to how deep McGinn and Ramsey have played. At times we've had all 3 of them deeper than the fullbacks.

I think if we’re going to go down the route of two DM’s we’ll buy one and use Nakamba/Iroegbunam as the second.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 06, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
The players that Gerrard wants out of the club, if they don't leave in the summer - will they be part of a new bomb squad?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 06, 2022, 08:02:45 AM
Whilst Konsa has been poor recently, and Mings has the odd error, I think well do well to get better defenders.  We might get ones who are better on the ball - but not as good defensively.

I think they would look a look better with a DM in front of them to help with build up from the back

Maybe get in one full back to help.

I think the midfield is the key area
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 06, 2022, 08:05:54 AM
IF Press reports are true (big IF) we seem to be getting the bums rush from just about all our transfer targets so far.
Yeah - I have noticed that - but like you say a big if. 

I think some of the big name targets are leaked to make us look ambitious even if we know were not going to get them.

What worries me more is where there seems to be an interest, like JWP, and Bissoma, we just offer shit money that will never get a club to release a prize assest
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:02:42 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2022, 10:46:42 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 10:56:12 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:57:11 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
No, I think he'll go abroad but if not to Chelsea or Arsenal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2022, 11:04:04 AM
Ndidi as a target - quoted for 50m in some news today. Surprisingly only 24, I thought he was older

Must be a piece of piss being a Villa scout: just watch Match of the Day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2022, 11:04:18 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2022, 11:04:41 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
No, I think he'll go abroad but if not to Chelsea or Arsenal.

I don't want him back. He walked out and shat on us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 11:04:55 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2022, 11:06:17 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.
I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Citeh won't sell Grealish back to us; it'd be too embarrassing for them - a big loss of face.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.
I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Citeh won't sell Grealish back to us; it'd be too embarrassing for them - a big loss of face.

Nah, they'd be fine with it. Zaha went back to Palace from United. In fact, people talk about him as if he never left.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 06, 2022, 11:14:14 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.

God I hope not
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.

But I don't get it, well I do. You didn't have a good word to say about him whilst he as here and you still don't. Its all just weird.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 06, 2022, 11:24:22 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.


He needs to come 🏠
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Even if we do sign Quisling, it won't be this summer so he doesn't need to dominate the "Summer 2022 Transfer Thread" when he already has a thread in "Other Football". It's getting nearly as sad as the Heathens' Bellingham obsession.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2022, 11:34:34 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 06, 2022, 11:49:10 AM
Newcastle, surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2022, 11:52:59 AM
Coming back this summer (or even next) would be a mistake. Maybe after that though there'd be long enough for it not to be him looking like hed failed and given up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 06, 2022, 11:53:23 AM
Newcastle, surely.

I would bet on Redfuckingfilthunited - then i could possibly detest him a little more
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 06, 2022, 11:55:09 AM
Newcastle, surely.

I would bet on Redfuckingfilthunited - then i could possibly detest him a little more

Would Citeh sell him to them? Maybe...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2022, 12:04:47 PM
£367 grand a week and on a six year deal. He's not going anywhere for many years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 06, 2022, 12:22:49 PM
They'll sign Haaland, which will mean they play slightly differently and with a real focal point to their attack. That will bring out the best in Grealish, he will have someone to look for whenever he gets the ball, and someone in the penalty area to aim at when he's cutting inside

And unlike Sterling he will actually pass to Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2022, 12:48:55 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.

Kindly don't assume what I would or wouldn't want. And if you think that him coming back any time soon is even a remote possibility, then you'd have to be a bit dim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2022, 12:50:14 PM
Meanwhile in Villa related news, erm, Axel Witsel. Fuck it, back to Junk Greadish and no, it isn’t predictive text.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2022, 12:55:11 PM
Meanwhile in Villa related news, erm, Axel Witsel. Fuck it, back to Junk Greadish and no, it isn’t predictive text.

Benni McCarthy for the can't-afford-a-mortgage generation
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 02:00:13 PM
Yeah no more mention of Grealish till next summer window I'd deemed necessary unless some particular strong itk comes with details before then

So for this summer clearly one position we are pinpointing a DM based on Gerrard view of football I would think some one of Javier Mascherano comepting energy , agrressiveness and rigour
That player would service a purpose be no surprise to see one signed  and several have been scouted but think this guy was pretty good for what Gerrard sees as a DM so a player of that oven ready calibre with his attributes would satisfy most of us.
Now is there some one of that ilk we can ensnare?
That is what should be debated

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 06, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.

There's pro's and cons for having him back that i can't be arsed to list but ultimately the only way i'd want him back is if he don't get Coutinho and we could have Grealish back on loan for a year with view to a permanent transfer where the ball is fully in our court and the price wouldn't be a penny more than half that we sold him for. Otherwise, he can indeed fuck off.

I also think that it shouldn't be taken as a given that he'd only come back here if he left Man City, i think he'd be looking for CL and the highest bidder to be honest. I do agree with the comments regarding why it's not really worked out too great at Man City for him though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 06, 2022, 04:27:58 PM
the reported 350k approx a week and a Contract as long as your arm could be sticking points in all fairness
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 06, 2022, 05:01:15 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.

#Amen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2022, 05:56:10 PM
Junk Greedish! Best one yet! Girlish/Greasy/Joe/Jimmy/Paddy/Rat do lack something.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 06, 2022, 07:57:03 PM
I don't care if its more money, win things or any other rubbish, he showed his alliance in the summer when we were building. He of all people have set us back years by walking out. He's gone, he won't becoming back for years and hopefully not at all. He will do of course, the club will make money from spinning it, he'll have one last pay day and see it as a chance to win over a few who turned meaning the majority love him. I say good riddance, especially when he continues to be on the front papers like today. Clubs like us never need that sort of character around
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2022, 11:59:42 PM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on May 07, 2022, 01:22:44 AM
£367 grand a week and on a six year deal. He's not going anywhere for many years.

Yep.

Unless he joins Bezos or Musk on Titan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2022, 07:45:55 AM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?

‘Liked’ a picture of an ‘influencer’.

We get the press we deserve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 07, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
Hmm - he’ll be back some day.

But I would rather forget about him for a bit - I’d like us to sign a proper world class midfielder.

And a few that give competition for places - can’t see us getting more than 2 or 3 otherwise it will be quantity over quality

Then I would like to see SG transform us into a proper good team
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on May 07, 2022, 09:45:10 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.

It's a weird one, but I trust that my non-expert eyes aren't seeing stuff that our coaches can (other than the obvious cock ups of late)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 07, 2022, 10:32:42 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Why would he be with for the pre-season bit if he's not going to stay? - surely he'll be sold early on after this season-end?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 07, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
I do wonder how well get defenders better than mings or Konsa

Both have there moments but who realistically is going to come in that’s better

I guess you might get a better ball playing defender but will be defensively

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2022, 10:45:10 AM
I do wonder how well get defenders better than mings or Konsa

Both have there moments but who realistically is going to come in that’s better

I guess you might get a better ball playing defender but will be defensively

I tend to agree.  You might get better from abroad but there’s no guarantee they’ll settle.  Tomori at Milan may be an option.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 07, 2022, 11:40:09 AM
I think Phil is ace (despite the lack of form in the last couple of games), but if I could get past my bitterness, I’d still rather have Joe in the side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 07, 2022, 01:05:08 PM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?
It might not be Grealish...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Why would he be with for the pre-season bit if he's not going to stay? - surely he'll be sold early on after this season-end?

Konsa such a Smith man as well.
If that's the case then obviously don't get on and Gerrard must be sighting him as one of the players who don't implement what he tells them
Konsa be far too laid back for old SG aggressive approach and we've seen several times he hasn't been physical and assertive enough so imagined he got called out . It's a shame but Chambers is more the type Gerrard seems to go for.
That's how I see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 07, 2022, 01:44:11 PM
Konsa has defending ability but not much football ability that’s his downfall I’m afraid
Possession based football he’s nowhere near the level required Unless passing back to the goalkeeper is a key tactic then he’s the best in the business
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
SG seems to be looking to next season now with his whole "the team has underachieved" statement . Needs to include himself in that.
This whole "we analyse every department and every individual at the club and it's a big summer" seemingly indicating that sweeping changes are coming. Can see coaches like Mcphee going as well as players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2022, 01:53:57 PM
Konsa’s reluctance to pass between players into the midfield could cost him.  It’s either long or sideways to Mings which puts the team under pressure.

Shame as he is a classy defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2022, 02:35:00 PM
If Konsa is going, which would be a shame, as I rate him, it puts legs on the Gomez links
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 07, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2022, 02:44:03 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.

I hope so
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2022, 02:53:29 PM
Yes, blame Drummond.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.

Where was it discussed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2022, 08:48:48 PM
Drummond on Page 42.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 07, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
29 pages in the future? I'll set my alarm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2022, 10:13:53 PM
I agree with Luke that the comments don't suggest what some people seem to think. For me I think it's more Gerrard acknowledging that Konsa has been out of form and saying he needs pre-season to get himself back on track.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 09, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
Aston Villa have held fresh talks over signing Marseille's 22-year-old French midfielder Boubacar Kamara. (Mail)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 09, 2022, 11:25:52 PM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 09, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.

Alvarez will probably be required to spend a year learning 'Guardiola-ball' first as seemingly all players must due to its' unique complexity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 10, 2022, 01:56:34 AM
What, like with Grealish? i.e. generational talent becomes 5/10 yard passing drone!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 10, 2022, 02:16:26 AM
What, like with Grealish? i.e. generational talent becomes 5/10 yard passing drone!

Precisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2022, 09:17:41 AM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.
More likely Sterling will get sold to allow Alvarez a slot in every 3rd game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 10, 2022, 10:08:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Other14The/status/1523950698240438272?t=C8qrrXijxfJvyvqg6xHHqA&s=19

That's an interesting account to follow for anyone who doesn't already. Highlights our need for a proper DM, but not like we haven't known that for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 10, 2022, 10:25:25 AM
Strong rumours that a deal for Philippe Coutinho is close with Barcelona. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted on this. Deal thought to be €20m which is about £17.1m. Obviously wages will be north of £100k per week, but worth it I feel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2022, 11:54:14 AM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 10, 2022, 11:56:27 AM
Hmm - PC is looking really likely - for less than wesley. 

Unreal bit of business that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 11:59:31 AM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2022, 12:01:21 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.

I think it'd be a good deal for all parties.

Also, Jacob Steinberg doesn't tend to report on clickbait-style 'rumours'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 10, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.

I think it'd be a good deal for all parties.

Also, Jacob Steinberg doesn't tend to report on clickbait-style 'rumours'.

I was thinking about this even during the game on Saturday.  Watkins was much improved on recent showings but even so his general speed of thought with the ball isn't that good and neither is his first touch. I still like him but if we can improve in that area, and we really do need to then we should go for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
I was told about them making an offer for him in Jan.  Hang on, I'll try to find my post.  (Christ, hope I didn't start this rumour!)

edit - ok, found it - it was elsewhere.  I don't want to say too much but someone with a link to Watkins agent told me West Ham bid £60m for him in Jan, which sounded pretty far fetched to me.  The general feeling is Watkins' head has been turned and he wants to be in London, so a move to Arsenal or West Ham could be possible this summer.

Whilst I've been critical of him this season I'd be dissapointed if he moved on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2022, 12:12:47 PM
Watkins is a good fit for WestHam as he is similar forward to Antonio which means they do not have to change tactics to accommodate him.
He is better suited to them than the way I think Gerrard wants to set up our attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 10, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
I was told about them making an offer for him in Jan.  Hang on, I'll try to find my post.  (Christ, hope I didn't start this rumour!)

edit - ok, found it - it was elsewhere.  I don't want to say too much but someone with a link to Watkins agent told me West Ham bid £60m for him in Jan, which sounded pretty far fetched to me.  The general feeling is Watkins' head has been turned and he wants to be in London, so a move to Arsenal or West Ham could be possible this summer.

Whilst I've been critical of him this season I'd be dissapointed if he moved on.
£60m in the summer would be fine with me as long as we've got someone else lined up. I like how we seen to be getting better at buying players like Chambers, Coutinho, or Digne for relative peanuts, and flogging on players like Watkins and Grealish for probably more than they're actually worth*.


* Grealish was worth more than £100m to us, but I think it's reasonable to ask whether you'd pay that sort of money for a player with his injury record & nocturnal activities if he wasn't (at the time) so tied in to the identity of the club
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 10, 2022, 12:46:11 PM
If we can get anywhere near 50m, I’d take it in a heartbeat. He’s not going to take us to where we want to to go. And has possibly the worst  first touch I’ve seen , after mine.


Whist I wasn’t sold on a permanent Coutinho for what I thought would be a big fee, for £16m it’s an absolute no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 12:47:12 PM
I would only take it if we are going to get someone better. Not sure who that would be.

Watkins was brilliant last season and showing signs of being back to his best in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 12:47:50 PM
When you've got a decent player like Watkins my worry is always finding players to replace them at a reasonable cost.  It would be naieve to let him go without a first class replacement lined up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 10, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Watkins has been Great for Villa so far but he’s not next level
For me he’s the most frustrating player to watch that we have although he’s always been very likable
If someone is offering out 50 million for him I would be accepting that

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 10, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
It’s a no for me Watkins going anywhere especially to any current top 8 side.
It’s a definite no for me anybody like Suarez being lined up to replace any of our forwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 10, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
Been much better lately, but would definitely take £50m. Be a healthy profit on FFP and would allow us to sign other players.

I'd be happy to see us have Ings and Suarez (free transfer) with more opportunities given to Archer and Davis. Spend the cash on more combative midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Ings and Suarez are too similar. We already struggle when teams set up to close us down from goal kicks, we need an outlet up front so we can vary them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2022, 01:10:54 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 01:16:23 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
We don't need to free up resources. Just keep spending.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
I wouldn't be letting Watkins go either. He's just getting to that age where he'll start to get even better and more consistent. I don't think it would happen anyway unless the offer was ridiclous. Gerrard seems to like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2022, 01:29:27 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 10, 2022, 02:06:13 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.

What does epiphany mean. Is it the same as aberration?  :o
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 10, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Ings/Suarez type short term relatively cheap signing with Archer and Keinan (big if he can stay fit for any length of time) coming through. This is more than adequate if we move to 1 up front, and means the younguns have a clear pathway in when they are ready. Also means we can play both Buendia and Phil.

Make a big profit on Ollie for FFP, and use it towards the best DCM gettable.

Actually no, I've changed my mind. I really like Ollie and want him to kick on... he can lead the line for us for a number of years to come.

I don't know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 10, 2022, 02:14:56 PM
Archer and Abraham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 02:45:33 PM
I'd absolutely love Tammy back, but we missed that boat unfortunately.  He's flying at Roma and I can't see why he'd want to leave.  If he did, I think it would be for a London club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Again, why is Suarez even getting a mention?

I wouldn't be against Watkins moving on for the reported fee. Get Tammy Abraham back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 10, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
Assume Abraham would cost a shiteload more… otherwise west ham would just buy him instead of Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Again, why is Suarez even getting a mention?

I wouldn't be against Watkins moving on for the reported fee. Get Tammy Abraham back.

Suarez gets mentioned because he's out of contract this summer, and Gerrard rated him extremely highly when they were at Livepool, and given we signed Coutinho off the back of the Gerrard relationship, people assume we will be Suarez's next destination.  I very much doubt it, personally.  He'll want to play regularly up until the world cup at least, and I don't see him getting that here, not at 35.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 10, 2022, 04:07:21 PM
I see man sh-tty are getting their summer transfer business done early (with Haaland), just like they did last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 10, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
I'd definately like Watkins to stay, still rate him highly. If he wants to go and we get £50m though we could get two players in with that who could have a big impact if spent wisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 10, 2022, 04:43:23 PM
I think Watkins is perfect for West Ham’s system. Assuming the rumour is correct, do we really want to be selling a player to a potential rival, particularly if it helps them solve a major part of their system?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on May 10, 2022, 05:14:59 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?

Sometimes we do ourselves no favours!

Watkins, in less than two full seasons, has scored more premier-league goals for us than Dalian Atkinson, Darren Bent and Paul Merson. Watkins has 24 league goals for villa; 5 behind Milosevic (over three seasons), 11 behind Vassell (over four seasons), 13 behind Carew (three and a half seasons).

If he keeps his current rate of scoring, it's likely he will overtake all of those next season getting into our top ten premier league era goalscorers.

Definite keep for me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2022, 05:26:49 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2022, 06:04:08 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

I think Haaland has to do with a release clause and Watkins is open market price, no?

Don’t want Calvert Lewin or Suarez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 06:05:25 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.

What does epiphany mean.

I think it's the girl who sang "I Think We're Alone Now".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2022, 06:07:34 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

It was widely reported that Haarland signed for Dortmund, rather than one of the bigger suitors, in the first place was because they had agreed to the lower release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2022, 06:11:18 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?

Sometimes we do ourselves no favours!

Watkins, in less than two full seasons, has scored more premier-league goals for us than Dalian Atkinson, Darren Bent and Paul Merson. Watkins has 24 league goals for villa; 5 behind Milosevic (over three seasons), 11 behind Vassell (over four seasons), 13 behind Carew (three and a half seasons).

If he keeps his current rate of scoring, it's likely he will overtake all of those next season getting into our top ten premier league era goalscorers.

Definite keep for me

Watkins last season had arguably the best player in the league at the time supplying him with chances. He struggled, like most of our players, this season but is certainly finishing strong.

The problem with Watkins is that he doesn't really bring others into the play, with a very ropey first touch a huge weakness in his and our game. His assist count is very low for a reason. But in the last two games he did very well to be involved in two goals (Buendia x 2). Watkins is also a very durable sort fitness wise and no reason why he couldn't improve further in a more settled team. If he were to move on, we would have to be certain of a player of equality quality coming in but with superior back to goal play. Not sure there are many of those around.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2022, 10:02:44 PM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2022, 10:46:17 PM
We won’t take points off the big sides until we stop giving the ball away. I hope we completely rebuild the midfield for next season. The centre halves also need to be upgraded.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 11, 2022, 01:09:02 AM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.

I think that's harsh. He slipped at a crucial moment. Lots of his peers did too. I thought he played well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 07:13:42 AM
It looked like he slipped because he trod on the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 08:40:18 AM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.

I think that's harsh. He slipped at a crucial moment. Lots of his peers did too. I thought he played well.

Me too, it's the other centre half that's worrying me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
Konsa is worrying me more at the moment. It was like when he shoved Jota in the corner, that was just poor decision making. He lacks calmness at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 10:06:07 AM
Konsa is worrying me more at the moment. It was like when he shoved Jota in the corner, that was just poor decision making. He lacks calmness at the moment.

There was one in the second half with Jota where he got the foul, luckily, because he'd got himself in the wrong position unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 10:18:47 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 11, 2022, 10:33:01 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.

Agreed, added to the fact that left-sided centre halves are much harder to acquire suggests Mings is the safer of the two, for now.  It's a shame, because when we first got promoted, and even more so last year, Konsa looked so calm and assured, and you always backed him in a 1-on-1 situation, but he seems to have gone backwards this season. 

I wonder if it's "feeling" a bit more exposed now, given our full-backs are so much higher up the pitch on average.  Maybe he plays better when he's part of a flatter more traditional back four? I also wonder if it's due to losing the influence of John Terry - you have to wonder how much influence he had on the development of our centre-halves specifically, given the 1-to-1 coaching they could have got from him?  Or maybe he's just hit his ceiling. 

Hopefully the coaching staff have a good idea on whether it's just temporary poor form, or if he's peaked and we need better.  He's still only 24, which in centre-half terms is still quite young.  Virgil Van Dijk was still playing for Celtic at 24.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
What happened to that calm self assured Konsa that  used to play for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 10:56:01 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.

Agreed, added to the fact that left-sided centre halves are much harder to acquire suggests Mings is the safer of the two, for now.  It's a shame, because when we first got promoted, and even more so last year, Konsa looked so calm and assured, and you always backed him in a 1-on-1 situation, but he seems to have gone backwards this season. 

I wonder if it's "feeling" a bit more exposed now, given our full-backs are so much higher up the pitch on average.  Maybe he plays better when he's part of a flatter more traditional back four? I also wonder if it's due to losing the influence of John Terry - you have to wonder how much influence he had on the development of our centre-halves specifically, given the 1-to-1 coaching they could have got from him?  Or maybe he's just hit his ceiling. 

Hopefully the coaching staff have a good idea on whether it's just temporary poor form, or if he's peaked and we need better.  He's still only 24, which in centre-half terms is still quite young.  Virgil Van Dijk was still playing for Celtic at 24.

I don't think that's it because he was really poor at the start of the season when the fullbacks weren't pushing so high.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
I reckon he'll want this season to end and that he will be way better next. I hope it's with us because I like his attitude, however, given he's lost his place to Chambers a couple of times I suspect it won't be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 11, 2022, 01:28:19 PM
To be fair to Gerrard, he has already said something along the lines of looking forward to getting Konsa going again in pre season. It was only a matter of months ago that the common view on here was that it was farcical that Konsa wasn't in the England squad. He seems to be struggling a bit with Cash a lot further up the pitch and lack of cover in front of him.

But if he wants to progress he needs to get comfortable in that role. Matip last night got no support from Trent who played a lot of the game in the centre of the park. Stones or Dias at Man City have to do likewise regularly whenever Cancelo goes walk about. I'd back Konsa to come good next season and regain his best form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2022, 01:33:52 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Trevor Trent Derby?
The River Trent does not even flow through Derby.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 11, 2022, 01:35:54 PM
There's a lot of chatter lately about Konsa not having the quality to bring the ball out from the back but when he first settled into the side he looked to me like a very assured player with the ball at his feet. Hopefully he's just going through a phase where he's low on confidence. As some have said, a proper defensive midfield shield in front of the centre backs could make all the difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 11, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.

Can we add Pep to this please
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 02:27:21 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Trevor Trent Derby?
The River Trent does not even flow through Derby.

Even Terence Trent D'arby does not wish to be referred to by that name anymore. He is now known as Sananda Maitreya. Heard him on a podcast recently, he came across as good craic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 02:42:16 PM
Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 05:31:43 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 05:47:19 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
Ok so by upgrading all round quality in midfield be able to press and win possession as well as hopefully better ball retention. We do need a number 6 though.
I noticed Marv's Nakamba is 28 I think he's now shown he's not able to reach technical ability despite the promise of coaching and hope he would improve I think he's shown his ceiling if he's reached those years in footballing terms and still struggles to pass ball efficiently. Won't even talk about his shooting and penalty taking. Good luck to him but Coutinho wants to be around quality and the young players coming through can make up squad as much as Marv now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role

Are we resigned to/looking to offload Luiz and Sanson, Vin?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 11, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role

Are we resigned to/looking to offload Luiz and Sanson, Vin?

Certainly not Luiz.
As with SJM when he plays a more advanced role he’s an excellent player
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 08:09:22 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sports-invest-uk-ltd/beraterfirma/berater/4868
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2022, 08:16:53 PM
A bit meh then.  Douglas Luiz might be handy as an 8.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 10:18:02 PM
Sanson will go for sure
Luiz don’t Know. Can see him going Roma - shame as an 8 he’s decent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
Vinnie, is the Kamara thing real and likely to happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 09:20:02 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2022, 09:41:43 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

It almost certainly isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 09:45:44 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

Well, since he's been here we've signed a lot of improvements to our squad, brought in some great prospects, and improved.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
It almost certainly isn't.
Really? - well - stone me - that's news!

I was being sarky, both in the original comment and this response.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 10:39:11 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
Well, since he's been here we've signed a lot of improvements to our squad, brought in some great prospects, and improved.
I'd reckon many of the prospects are a result of the acquisition of a new Academy management team. But - yes - there has been some recruitment during Lange's time. I hope that he can unearth some 'gems' for our DMF needs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 12, 2022, 10:56:57 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 11:21:36 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 12, 2022, 11:29:17 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?


Wait, we can do that?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2022, 11:43:08 AM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2022, 12:07:13 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 12:09:50 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale

Lord Frost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2022, 01:00:40 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale

Lord Frost.

JuSt GeT iT dOnE!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?

I think we may have done that last summer....... ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 03:53:00 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?

I think we may have done that last summer....... ;-)



Ahah, but I didn't say aforementioned decade ended last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2022, 04:04:34 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

That negative view of NC is very unfair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 08:12:06 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

“As we look to build towards next season, it is incredible to work at a club that executes its business so decisively and smoothly.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 12, 2022, 08:19:06 PM
If Leeds drop, I think he'll go all out for Kalvin Phillips. Can't say I've been that impressed with him this season tbh, but who knows what he could do under Gerrard's stewardship?

After literally YEARS of failing to sort it, Defensive midfielder has to be the club's #1 priority this summer. Forget everything else until that position is filled (maybe with an understudy too!).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 12, 2022, 08:40:03 PM
I saw somewhere he had a 25m release clause if Leeds go down - I’m sure we wouldn’t be his only suitors though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2022, 10:53:57 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2022, 10:57:11 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Who? 🧐
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 12, 2022, 11:04:02 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 12, 2022, 11:06:10 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2022, 11:10:24 PM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 13, 2022, 12:03:28 AM
If Leeds drop, I think he'll go all out for Kalvin Phillips. Can't say I've been that impressed with him this season tbh, but who knows what he could do under Gerrard's stewardship?

After literally YEARS of failing to sort it, Defensive midfielder has to be the club's #1 priority this summer. Forget everything else until that position is filled (maybe with an understudy too!).

Yep.  If we continue with the formation with two wideish strikers with Coutinho / Buendia playing just behind them, then second on the list would be a striker who could play that role. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2022, 12:10:43 AM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!

I can't see those tweets?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 12:34:29 AM
Percy is great!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: purpletrousers on May 13, 2022, 01:38:36 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

“As we look to build towards next season, it is incredible to work at a club that executes its business so decisively and smoothly.”

Was going to look for that quote too!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2022, 06:45:13 AM
Watched Philips twice in the last 2 weeks. I may be harsh, but he looks slower than Gareth Barry when he was 39. I think we need 2 players of that ilk this summer, Bissouma and Kamara would be my choice, but Villa appear to have been hot under collar for Philips for about 4 years now.

Purslow is like a pig in shit with Gerrard and Coutinho, he loves a bit of limelight. Done a damned good deal to get Barca down to £17m though. Fab bit of work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 13, 2022, 07:00:57 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 13, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on May 13, 2022, 08:31:15 AM
At least we'd have some teeth up front
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on May 13, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
Now we have signed Coutinho I think we will attract bigger named players now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2022, 08:39:53 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.

It makes me laugh when people say Watkins can't finish. Didn't he score his 100th league goal the other week?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2022, 09:05:13 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.

It makes me laugh when people say Watkins can't finish. Didn't he score his 100th league goal the other week?

He's on 80 according to Wiki, 56 of which were in League 2 and the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 13, 2022, 09:39:15 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 13, 2022, 09:44:04 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Is his brother Alfie coming as well? *

* A little bit of poetic licence there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing
I'm convinced he'll be signing for season
Now we have signed Coutinho I think we will attract bigger named players now.
Well on the itk front rumours all the talk is the big signing is going to be Suarez and the other strong links are these players

Left Backs under consideration
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defenders scouted and touted
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders strong linked and scouted
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma

Striker
Luis Suarez free transfer

Can see one from each area being signed with perhaps 2 from the midfielders section and for sure I'm convinced Suarez will be coming on a free transfer makes sense all round to have the quality finisher and recognised name coming in along with those other additions will be very strong transfers and improve our squad area and depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:52:26 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:54:49 AM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!

I can't see those tweets?

From a published article by itk  Percy
"Gerrard is preparing for a major revamp of his squad this summer, with Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips his leading target.

Brighton's Yves Bissouma is also on Villa's radar, after a £25m offer was rejected in the first week of the January transfer window, and the Mali international is widely expected to leave the club.

Villa are also targeting a new left-back to provide competition for £25m defender Lucas Digne, with Rangers' Calvin Bassey and Bologna's Aaron Hickey under consideration"

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2022, 09:56:34 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 13, 2022, 09:57:36 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
It was the B Side for Diamonds are Forever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:58:28 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:01:50 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
Well we do need to get in another left back as we don't keep Matt Target and not 3 left backs so be all about the Bassey no treble. I'm all 'bout that bass 'bout that bass, no treble!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2022, 10:04:41 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

We could save ourselves twenty million quid by throwing the Burnley game...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 10:05:07 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 10:11:01 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.

Don't need it, hardly ever misses a game and he's easily been our best player this season. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
I can't stand Shirley Bassey.

Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.
Forever Young offered a new contract
Joe Gomez probable to come in as centre back and would do a job at right back
Kessler also has scope like you say
And how could we forget Callum tekkers Chambers!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:30:00 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

We could save ourselves twenty million quid by throwing the Burnley game...
Phillips seems to be playing out the season resigned to leaving regardless.
If Bielsa was still there maybe but he needs to be playing better level otherwise his standard will continue to drop as it has done. I welcome him and it's been a long pursuit as Deano nearly ensnared him when we were promoted but the story goes when Kalvin told his nan Villa had been in contact she said give it one more season with Leeds to get promoted... And they did
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 13, 2022, 10:34:18 AM
Interesting that we’ve started to Count Bassey* as one of our new Targetts.


Could see us bringing in half a dozen players this summer, including Phil. Maybe backups for Digne/Cash, couple of combative midfielders, and someone like Suarez on a free who’d maybe add a bit of experience and be someone Ollie and Cam could learn from.


* slight use of artistic license
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2022, 11:00:33 AM
"Ideally you want everything to fall into place straight away but it doesn’t work like that. It is a process and you need some patience and luck along the way."

Good quote from Gerrard that's worth bearing in mind in transfer windows where we're getting frustrated at a lack of perceived action.

Perhaps ironic coming after completing the Coutinho deal before they season is even over, I appreciate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 13, 2022, 11:06:15 AM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 11:09:51 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.

Don't need it, hardly ever misses a game and he's easily been our best player this season. ;)

I seem to be a lone-wolf on that  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 11:43:41 AM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh that would be extraordinary. He's like the best! I would love us to bring him here. Catapults us up the league straight away. Imagine!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on May 13, 2022, 12:00:53 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh that would be extraordinary. He's like the best! I would love us to bring him here. Catapults us up the league straight away. Imagine!
My missus has been saying this all season. Based on nothing but a gut feel and the Matty Cash link.  I would absolutely love him. But is it bad that a part of me hopes it doesn't happen as I'll never hear the end of it ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 13, 2022, 12:10:05 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh please be true. Along with Magic Phil, that would be an extraordinary statement of intent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 12:50:35 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...

Oh please be true. Along with Magic Phil, that would be an extraordinary statement of intent

Hopefully him and Magic Phil were good mates when they were at Bayern together. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
Lewandowski done deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
So our revised list of itk and rumours are we have Top priorities for a new centre-half. . a commanding midfielder and  finding a genuine A-list striker.
Percy suggested too we are after a left back with 2 names mentioned

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:07:47 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Well if the case I think we all go beserk!
My 3 from our transfer list would be Gomez ,Phillips and Lewandowski. And Hickey for left back.

I think it will be Joe Gomez signed from Liverpool for defence. Bassey as left sided back up.
2 Midfielders Phillips and Bissouma for 50m combined (if Leeds relegated )or just one of them and Kamara on the free
And striker Luis Suarez free.

But if we sign Lewandowski who lets not forget played well with Coutinho and is truly world class well Champions league here we come!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 13, 2022, 01:12:56 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 13, 2022, 01:24:38 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.

Also partial to the crazy golf in Pype Hayes park.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.
and looking forward to linking up with his French team mate Paul Pogba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 13, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.
I think those £50m Allan Saint-Maximin rumours may just be that if this is the case
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2022, 01:40:31 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.

He wouldn't even get on the bench if Archer came back, unless we sent Haaland straight back out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 13, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.

He wouldn't even get on the bench if Archer came back, unless we sent Haaland straight back out on loan.
I reckon PNE could live with Haaland on loan for a year if they returned Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2022, 06:33:09 PM
1. We seem to have done lots of our business 'on the quiet' so I wonder how many of these names are really targets.
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.
3. Suarez - just, NO!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.

I don't want either tbh, hopefully it's just lazy journalism given the Liverpool link. I'd have hoped the Rhian Brewster debacle would have put other clubs off signing any of their 'highly rated' youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 13, 2022, 07:43:46 PM
As a joke a said to a colleague who is a blue nose that we were looking at signing Lewandowski, he didn't even question it.
That's what happens when you have Gerrard as a manager and you've just signed Coutinho.

Meanwhile he told me that they might sign Diego Costa. I can't say my reaction was the same as his.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 13, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
As a joke a said to a colleague who is a blue nose that we were looking at signing Lewandowski, he didn't even question it.
That's what happens when you have Gerrard as a manager and you've just signed Coutinho.

Meanwhile he told me that they might sign Diego Costa. I can't say my reaction was the same as his.

I think he means Diego, the lad who works at Costa in Brindley Place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 07:57:49 PM
1. We seem to have done lots of our business 'on the quiet' so I wonder how many of these names are really targets.
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.
3. Suarez - just, NO!

Well I think we have or are going to try for a lot of those that have been named.
Previously likes of Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe was common knowledge just the Ings and Chambers moves were the opportunistic ones.

There has been so much talk of Gomez, Phillips and Bissouma and was heavy talk for Suarez in winter but think that's the deal that's been done on the quiet as such. And he will be in for summer and signed on free.

Certainly wouldn't be surprised if we signed these players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2022, 09:47:56 PM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.

Saw that, 43m the fee quoted. Never seen him play so over to Toronto Villa for the scouting report.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 01:12:26 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

He might have the Midas touch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2022, 07:21:37 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

He might have the Midas touch.

We are big spenders aren't we?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2022, 10:46:43 AM
...Previously likes of Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe was common knowledge...
Exactly my point: they didn't sign!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2022, 10:49:03 AM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2022, 10:59:46 AM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 14, 2022, 12:00:57 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Just for a game which one would you take in the prime of the list above
Think it would be fowler for me best finisher it I’ve ever seen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2022, 12:02:52 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Benteke? Incredible on his day. In an appalling team, too!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2022, 01:52:31 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Just for a game which one would you take in the prime of the list above
Think it would be fowler for me best finisher it I’ve ever seen

Rush without a doubt. Watkins’ work rate, combined with erm… Rush’s finishing ability.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Agreed. Loved Big John, and that team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 14, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

Sam Allardyce of all people, in 2017 got him back looking closer to the player we had, but left Palace at the end of that season. Roy Hodgson for whatever reason just didn't seem too keen on him, and he's been average ever since.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2022, 03:36:01 PM
A player like Benteke in his prime for us would thrive in our team now. He was incredible for us and probably the only ray of sunshine we had for many years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on May 14, 2022, 04:52:39 PM
What about Lewandowski up front?  He’d do a job would he not?
🤣
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on May 14, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He's lost confidence. Looks sheepish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2022, 06:03:07 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He's lost confidence. Looks sheepish.
most managers Benteke has had since leaving Villa, only Allardyce at Palace has played to his strengths. The rest haven't and he's looked totally lost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2022, 06:03:37 PM
If people could avoid slagging Benteke off until at least 4pm tomorrow, that would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 06:07:54 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on May 14, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Yep. Ashley Young delivery and if you shackled Carew, you'd have Martin Laursen leaping above you like a deranged gazelle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Yep. Ashley Young delivery and if you shackled Carew, you'd have Martin Laursen leaping above you like a deranged gazelle.

Haha a deranged gazelle is an excellent description.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2022, 08:32:06 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Benteke would have been a perfect replacement for Drogba.
Although they had Lukaku, at the time Benteke was better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 14, 2022, 08:32:38 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He signed for a team that didn’t at the time cross the ball, he was made for Chelsea or Man Utd…just got lost at Liverpool
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 14, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

I was quite an avid follower of foreign football at the time, and the signing of Carew got me so excited that I immediately bagged a half-season ticket for the first time since '91/92.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: fredm on May 14, 2022, 09:41:05 PM


Benteke would have been a perfect replacement for Drogba.
Although they had Lukaku, at the time Benteke was better.
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I could never get my head round why Chelsea didn’t sign Benteke after Drogba left. He was the most certain replacement they could have found. He would have slotted in to their system perfectly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2022, 09:55:46 PM
What about Lewandowski up front?  He’d do a job would he not?
🤣

If some are writing off Coutinho at 29 god knows what they'd think of Lewandowski.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2022, 07:16:18 AM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 15, 2022, 08:50:48 AM
I suppose Suarez would offer a bit more bite to our often toothless attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.

I'll add him to our list of targets

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma
Joe Aribo

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 15, 2022, 10:25:42 PM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.

I'll add him to our list of targets

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma
Joe Aribo

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David

I think we might miss out on a couple of them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2022, 12:28:07 AM
Gomez feels an obvious one now with Konsa out for most of next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2022, 01:42:14 AM
Konsa is crocked?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 07:57:54 AM
Based on absolutely nothing, I’ve a feeling something has been done regarding Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 16, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Stevie had wanted to sell to get some money for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 16, 2022, 08:12:39 AM
Gomez feels an obvious one now with Konsa out for most of next season.

Cant find anything other than him maybe needing a scan and doubtful for the last 2 games?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 08:14:03 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2022, 09:54:53 AM
"Our list of targets".

"Lewandowski"

Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2022, 09:59:11 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?

Nothing concrete but there seems to be a bit of concern online that he might be out till 2023. Too early to say till he has the scan. https://twitter.com/IMechanisms/status/1525895718954745856
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 10:07:30 AM
"Our list of targets".

"Lewandowski"

Hmmmmm.

Oh ye of little faith....  ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 11:56:48 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?

Nothing concrete but there seems to be a bit of concern online that he might be out till 2023. Too early to say till he has the scan. https://twitter.com/IMechanisms/status/1525895718954745856

I meant the part regarding where Gerrard told Sid he wants to sell Konsa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 12:44:28 PM
I found it amusing that the "shame" wasn't that the poor guy is injured, or possibly fearing for his career if it's serious.  But that we can't flog him for lots of cash.

Fingers crossed it's nothing like a cruciate etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 16, 2022, 01:23:51 PM
Suarez rumours again. I'd love him here for a season, looking at his recent goalscoring record at Athletico he still knows where the goal is. One of the best strikers in PL history IMO.
That said, if we have him and Young on the books next season i think that would be it for the 'much over 30' brigade. The rest of the signings would need to have more legs in them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 16, 2022, 01:34:48 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 01:58:23 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer

Blimey, no need to start your own click-bait.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2022, 05:50:04 PM
If West Ham are prepared to give us anything over £35m for Ollie I'd snap their hand off. At the rumoured £40m we could add what, £20m and bring in Tammy? It would be a massive upgrade for £20m, possibly less. Despite Tammy being happy at Roma, I reckon right now we're one of the few PL clubs he would seriously consider moving back for.

Ings and Archer on the bench. If we're going to play a far more technical game we'll need more technically gifted players. We either get rid this summer or waste a season and get rid the next. He's done us proud but in the interests of both parties I think it's best he goes in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2022, 05:53:08 PM
Selling Ollie for £10m more than what we got him for would be pointless. Anyway, Gerrard has already said he's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 05:58:57 PM
Watkins offers more that Abraham does in terms of his all round game. In terms of goals Watkins has 11 in the Premier League, Abraham has 15 in the woeful Serie A. Not much difference. I wouldn't consider selling Watkins unless someone offered us stupid money. I don't think we would get a better player without spending at least fifty million.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2022, 06:07:33 PM
+ Tammy’s stock his high so they’ll be looking for fee up towards Jacks to sell him, that ship sailed the day Lampard got the Chelsea gig
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Abraham has scored a total of 25 this season and looks close to beat his personal record of 26 at Villa. I'm really struggling to see what 'Watkins offers more that Abraham in terms of his all round game' other than chasing the ball. I used to think Tammy could only score inside the 6 yard box, I think almost every Villa goal he scored was in there but he has really improved his game and is a real threat further out.

If SG says "We want to build this around the likes of Ollie Watkins. We are delighted with him" then I guess we're stuck with him, at least for another season. I just hope Ollie will be kept in for extra training to work on his poor technique. He bloody needs it!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
He's scored fifteen league goals. Obviously he will have scored more than Watkins if you include cups because he's played loads more matches. Watkins was brilliant last season and has shown that he is getting back to that standard this season in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 16, 2022, 06:26:54 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer


Seriously?

Gerrard himself said (in recent weeks) he rates Konsa highly and can't wait for him to reset for next season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:32:12 PM
Sources:
Aston Villa have made enquiries about signing Robert Lewandowski and think that sid1964 is a moaning git.

It's easy this making up a quote lark!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 06:46:52 PM
The Carragher quote is from a clickbait article written 25th February 2022.
Carragher's huge claim, was that Konsa had made a "huge" difference to the side.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-konsa-summer/

Exclusive: Aston Villa to listen to offers for regular starter hailed 'Brilliant' by Carragher

By Wayne Veysey
25th Feb, 2022 | 7:30am

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim

Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer as Steven Gerrard intensifies his overhaul of the squad, Football Insider has learned.

This site revealed on Monday (21 February) that the Midlands giants have made Liverpool defender Joe Gomez their “number one priority” ahead of the main window this year.

A Villa source has told Football Insider that Konza’s future at the club is now up in the air going into the final months of the season.

Manager Steven Gerrard is not convinced by the reliability and consistency of the defender, 24, despite him being a mainstay of the starting XI.

Gerrard wanted a new centre-back in January but Liverpool were not willing to sell or loan top target Gomez.

Villa decided to hold off until the summer on spending big on a defender and instead recruited Calum Chambers on a free from Arsenal to replace Axel Tuanzebe following the termination of his Man United loan.

Money will be set aside to strengthen a back line that has conceded 37 goals from 24 Premier League matches this season.

Konsa and Tyrone Mings have been the established central defensive pair for Villa during most of their three seasons back in the Premier League.

Indeed, Konsa was hailed a “brilliant defender” by Jamie Carragher on Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football programme in March of last year.

The former Liverpool centre-back claimed the centre-back had made a “huge difference” and “I can’t talk enough about how impressed I’ve been with him defensively”.

Konsa has made 21 Premier League starts among 23 appearances in all competitions for Villa this season.

He has missed the last two matches due to a suspension
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
I think Sid is probably a more reliable source than Football Insider, to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 16, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:56:48 PM
That's more like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 07:04:15 PM
I think Sid is probably a more reliable source than Football Insider, to be fair.

What?! Wayne Veysey is not ITK?! 😮
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 16, 2022, 07:26:22 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

The evolution of the squad continues
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2022, 08:59:43 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

The evolution of the squad continues

Perhaps, depends on the origin of this specious link.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2022, 09:00:19 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.
the Mail? meh - won't happen then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 16, 2022, 09:28:20 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

He's immense but also linked with pretty much every top Champions League Club aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 16, 2022, 09:30:34 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2022, 09:31:24 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

How many players have come from Portugal recently and settled really well? Samedo, Moutinho, Neves, Sa (all Wolves), Dias, Cancelo and Silva (Man City), Jota, Diaz (Liverpool), Fernandes (Man United). And that's just scraping the surface.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2022, 10:24:58 PM
+ Tammy’s stock his high so they’ll be looking for fee up towards Jacks to sell him, that ship sailed the day Lampard got the Chelsea gig
There are other strikers.  I’d leave Tammy well alone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 16, 2022, 10:37:57 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 16, 2022, 10:49:39 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

He's immense but also linked with pretty much every top Champions League Club aswell.

Article suggests they want a quick deal soon so as to plan their window better, similar to Barcelona with Coutinho. Besides he would love playing with Suarez and Lewandowski!

At least we are being linked with better players these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 16, 2022, 11:05:18 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

I think its sentimental value with Tammy, looking back to glories of 2019. But that ship has sailed. If he hadnt played for us so well previously im not sure we’d be on about him more than a range of other strikers playing here or abroad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2022, 11:17:53 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.
I honestly don’t think he’d come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 17, 2022, 02:29:57 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.

I think Mourinho quite likes Luiz. But the money would be high for Tammy. I’ve always had my doubts about Tammy as a top level striker. Plus he’s very much a down the middle type. For next season I think we need more variety. Someone who could play wide and through the middle and can hold the ball up. Definitely need someone who offers more aerial threat and can link the play. As we saw on Saturday, we need to be able switch up if the diamond isn't working but not necessarily with making a sub.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 17, 2022, 02:32:23 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

I think its sentimental value with Tammy, looking back to glories of 2019. But that ship has sailed. If he hadnt played for us so well previously im not sure we’d be on about him more than a range of other strikers playing here or abroad.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:54:55 AM
Some of the names linked suggest somebody has been messing with a ouija board and managed to snag Deadly's 2022 AGM transfer target list from beyond the ether.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2022, 08:19:07 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.

I think Mourinho quite likes Luiz. But the money would be high for Tammy. I’ve always had my doubts about Tammy as a top level striker. Plus he’s very much a down the middle type. For next season I think we need more variety. Someone who could play wide and through the middle and can hold the ball up. Definitely need someone who offers more aerial threat and can link the play. As we saw on Saturday, we need to be able switch up if the diamond isn't working but not necessarily with making a sub.

I don’t know about now, but when he was with us he seemed to play across the front line.
This is why I always thought he and Watkins could play together, as Ollie can play across the line, too, creating a very mobile front line

That said, although I’d love to see him back, it probably is sentimental memories.
Plus, I think they’d be looking at £70m+
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
Are they looking for anything?  I thought he was smashing it there and they love him and he loves them?  I'm not sure why either side would want him to leave?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Are they looking for anything?  I thought he was smashing it there and they love him and he loves them?  I'm not sure why either side would want him to leave?

I agree, but, happy or not, you know that everyone has a price.
If Roma were offered £70m, by anyone, I’m pretty sure they’d be tempted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 17, 2022, 08:47:00 AM
Yeah I think we should have gone for Tammy rather than Ings made much more sense in many ways

Things Ings came from us trying to get JWP and then saying - ok then whose your next best player

I’m sure Tammy said somewhere when he was with us he liked coming in from channels but I might have mis remembered

Anyway - think that ship has sailed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 17, 2022, 09:55:40 AM
No way i'd swap Watkins for Abraham, even a straight swap. Abraham was a cracking finisher but offered little else. I'd take him and Suarez as competition for Ings and Watkins though at the right price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
I heard we were very close to signing Tammy instead of Ings last summer but the deal collapsed as we wouldn’t agree to Chelsea’s insistence on a buyback clause. Roma were fine with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 17, 2022, 12:58:26 PM
To be fair, we’d probably had enough with clauses by that point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 01:05:21 PM
To be fair, we’d probably had enough with clauses by that point.
Yep, fans would have been furious if we'd signed up to having to release him back if he did well. The Luiz buy back clause gave people enough palpitations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2022, 01:08:29 PM
Considering they paid £34m a year ago, Roma would probably want £50m+ to let Abraham go, and I'm not sure he's worth that much?  Yes, he's scored 15 goals this season for Roma, which is nice work in a debut season, but is he really going to come here and do 20+ in the Premier League?  It's not my money, and he'd improve our squad, but if we're really sitting on £50-60m budget for a 'striker', I think we could do better.

The one thing that might tempt them - and Tammy - is that Roma aren't in the Champions League next season.  They're in Europe, but not at the top table, so there might be some temptation there?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 01:12:15 PM
Realistically, who would be in the frame as a striker?

Experienced
Good injury record
Scored at different levels
Physical
+£50m

It won't be a long list.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Realistically, who would be in the frame as a striker?

Experienced
Good injury record
Scored at different levels
Physical
+£50m

It won't be a long list.



I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

I'm sure if someone becomes available we'd be interested, but with Kane and Salah looking settled, and Haaland already with Man City, and Mbappe to Real, I don't expect much of a centre-forward merry-go-round this summer. The one wild-card is Dybala from Juventus, depending on where he goes, it might kick things off a bit with the availability of first-choice strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

That's been my take as well. I'd be happy enough with Watkins/Ings and Suarez (if we got a decent fee for one of Ings/Watkins) for a season with Cam developing out on loan and then see where we're at and what's available. Focus on getting a top quality DM and CB this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
I sort of agree but I think we might see the long term option come in this window as well, especially if Ings or Watkins go out. Suarez and the Darwin fella for example would make sense.

Not many options for the 'experienced old head' player after Suarez though.

There are however a lot of good attacking players going into the last year of their contract who we might be able to do something with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

That's been my take as well. I'd be happy enough with Watkins/Ings and Suarez (if we got a decent fee for one of Ings/Watkins) for a season with Cam developing out on loan and then see where we're at and what's available. Focus on getting a top quality DM and CB this summer.

Ditto...I don't see a down-side with Suarez for a year. His relationships with SG, Gary Mac and Coutinho would make for a smooth landing and he's another high-profile name that should elevate the club. If it all comes crashing down, we can let him quietly slip out of the back door after 12 months.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:18:39 PM
This is almost as important as the DM position. Neither Ings or Watkins are good enough to lead the line by themselves in SG's various set-ups and having them both playing leaves us short elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on May 17, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
I really don't want us to Suarez. I don't really get the appeal at all, other than he used to play with Gerrard and Coutinho.

I think he's scored 11 goals this season, which is the same in Watkins only for a much better team in a much weaker league. He's going to be a year older, a bit slower, and in a more physical league if he comes here. If we are getting him here for our youngsters to learn from him in training, can't we just get a better coach instead?

If we want him to raise our profile, I reckon getting Tom Hanks, Prince William and Usain Bolt to all attend a match together will probably have the same, if not greater, impact.

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.

There must be better options out there, and our scouting has to be more creative than just looking at Liverpool highlights from 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 02:33:33 PM
I'm not sure about Suarez either.  I reckon he'd score a few goals, but we'd have to compromise how we play to cover for him.  And what's the point really? - we know we'll be back to square one striker wise next season.  For me the upside just doesn't justify the outlay.  I don't agree that Watkins and Cam would be happy just to sit on the bench, clean his boots and learn from him.  Top flight footballers don't think like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
The problem I have with Watkins is that he has no chemistry with Coutinho. They must have worked at routines in training but we see a lovely dinked ball over the defence at the weekend and Watkins flat footed not anticipating what he would do. A top striker is on to that.  I actually think Archer would have been too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 02:49:01 PM
I'm not completely sold on Suarez but I can understand the appeal for SG.

My bigger concern is that the links we've seen so far are to very different players.

Suarez is an out and out centre forward, leading the line on his and getting on the end of things in the box. That's a similar player to Ings in my opinion and I'd be ok with that if the long term plan is to have the 2 10s pushed slightly wider to line up on the inside shoulder of the fullbacks. If that's how we want to play then why haven't we seen Coutinho and Buendia in those roles either side of Ings because all 3 naturally work in those positions but have never really had chances to show it.

Alternatively we line up with 2 forwards who are expected to drift wide at times and a more traditional 10 in behind them, which our selections point towards more clearly and if we go that way Darwin Nunez and Jonathan David make sense because again that wider centre forward role suits both of them.

It might be that Gerrard wants to be able to do both but in that case I think getting a forward better suited to the wider role than Ings is a much higher priority than getting another forward for the 2 10s setup. I suspect though that the wide forwards option is plan a anyway which is why we've seen Bailey and Traore both get time pushed pretty high up the pitch to see if they can fill in for 1 of those positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 03:01:46 PM
Signing Coutinho has probably made SG re-assess his preferred style of play. Emi2 has been our brightest player in the last few games, but can't get a start.

The potential of having two quality 10s is an advantage, but he is yet to develop the system that suits them - or have the supporting players to do that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:05:17 PM
We already have the shortest team outside Lilliput. We are rubbish when opponents know that we have to play it from the back and leave a load of players on the edge of our area, accordingly. We have to have an outlet. Scoring the odd goal from a corner might be nice, too.

Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.

Well at least that rules out Bono.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 03:13:17 PM
We already have the shortest team outside Lilliput. We are rubbish when opponents know that we have to play it from the back and leave a load of players on the edge of our area, accordingly. We have to have an outlet. Scoring the odd goal from a corner might be nice, too.

Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.

This is why i like the link to Darwin, who looks about 6'1-6'2 to me. Add 1 of Kamara, Sangare or Kondogbia at the base of midfield and it'd go a long way towards addressing that problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2022, 03:23:07 PM
Darwin's buy-out clause is €150m. At 22 he looks a great prospect, scores for fun, 32 goals this season if CDbearsfan allows the European goals (Liverpool, Barca, Ajax, Bayern, etc) and reminds me of a fellow countryman of his at the Plastics. No wonder PSG, Plastic Utd among others are interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:26:37 PM
He sounds fancy. Get him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2022, 03:30:49 PM
Did i mention he has an alice band AND a man bun?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:46:12 PM
Alice band I like, nice and continental. Man bun is a bit Leeds for my liking, though.

Ah well, there will be other targets out there, I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2022, 08:07:26 PM
If we sign Phillips too, our man bun quota will extend beyond the well known Lanabury limit of only 1 shit haircut per squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2022, 08:09:23 PM
If we sign Phillips too, our man bun quota will extend beyond the well known Lanabury limit of only 1 shit haircut per squad.


I dont rate Philips for the money he will cost
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2022, 08:32:48 PM
I think he’s very good - his problem appears to be injuries, at least of late.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 08:41:36 PM
I'd love us to sign Phillips. But that's it, then. No more man buns. Or men bun. Or men buns. Whatever the correct plural is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 17, 2022, 08:45:17 PM
He’s excellent, I just can’t see him leaving Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 08:45:56 PM
He will if we lose on Thursday...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on May 17, 2022, 08:54:53 PM
Christopher Nkunku
RB Leipzig / France 24
Attacking Midfielder
34 appearances in Bundesliga this year, 20 goals, 15 assists.
Wants to move on to 'the next level'.
If that doesn't say sign me Villa I don't know what does.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on May 17, 2022, 09:05:28 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2022, 09:23:35 PM
I'd love us to sign Phillips. But that's it, then. No more man buns. Or men bun. Or men buns. Whatever the correct plural is.

I think that it’s ‘mens bun’, similar to ‘grands prix’
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2022, 10:38:44 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.

Farmers League. You'd fit in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on May 18, 2022, 12:41:29 AM
I really don't want us to Suarez. I don't really get the appeal at all, other than he used to play with Gerrard and Coutinho.

I think he's scored 11 goals this season, which is the same in Watkins only for a much better team in a much weaker league. He's going to be a year older, a bit slower, and in a more physical league if he comes here. If we are getting him here for our youngsters to learn from him in training, can't we just get a better coach instead?

If we want him to raise our profile, I reckon getting Tom Hanks, Prince William and Usain Bolt to all attend a match together will probably have the same, if not greater, impact.

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.

There must be better options out there, and our scouting has to be more creative than just looking at Liverpool highlights from 10 years ago.

Could not agree more. Signing Suarez would be a desperate move. Have we not learnt?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 12:53:47 AM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.

Farmers League. You'd fit in.

It's all fun and games until you need someone who has a field for you to pitch your caravan in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 10:13:26 AM
Sounds like Boubacar Kamara is going to Athletico Madrid.  So that's one down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:13:56 AM
Who?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2022, 10:18:43 AM
The Marseille dude we're looking to reunite with Morgan Sanson The Brave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?

Oh god, not another sevco?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:47:02 AM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:47:21 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?

Oh god, not another sevco?

Doesn't bear (no pun intended) thinking about.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2022, 10:49:22 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?

Chris, you've been here long enough to know that's exactly what we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2022, 11:23:51 AM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.

It's not Chris's fault that they can't spell "Athletic".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2022, 11:27:40 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?

I know he didn't post for a while, but coming back wasn't a resurrection.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 12:00:04 PM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.
If I'm honest I always think of them as Athletico even though I know it's wrong.  I guess in the same way I think of Holland not The Netherlands and French not Francais.  As Risso says, it's not our fault these foriners don't speak proper eng-er-lish

edit - yes I know Athletico is a bastardisation of the two word and is wrong both ways.  What can I say, I'm a philistine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.

It's not Chris's fault that they can't spell "Athletic".

It's Franco's fault, actually. He made them change from "Athletic" as he didn't like foreign sounding names. He did the same with Bilbao but they changed it back once he croaked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 18, 2022, 12:29:36 PM

Who?


Super John McGinn
I just don’t think you understand…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 18, 2022, 12:59:29 PM

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.


Yes, but if we signed him and he scored a few important late goals from the bench and bit a Wolves or Burnley player or two he’d be transformed from a ‘bellend’ to a ‘loveable, cheeky little scamp’.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on May 18, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today. Looks very tidy as a CB. But probably West Ham, Chelsea and Newcastle would want him too....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 01:29:23 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

His first name certainly makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on May 18, 2022, 01:53:42 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

His first name certainly makes sense.

You are Nick Owen!?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
Only when I sleep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 18, 2022, 05:08:46 PM
Apparently according to French tv l'équipe B. Kamara from Marseille on his way to Athletico Madrid. Shame because I think he would have been perfect for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 18, 2022, 05:11:07 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2022, 05:13:03 PM
Apparently according to French tv l'équipe B. Kamara from Marseille on his way to Athletico Madrid.

Uh-oh!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 05:19:41 PM
Just when I thought I was out...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2022, 06:41:08 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....

And my graduation suit in the same year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 18, 2022, 08:51:17 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2022, 08:59:16 PM
Is that the lad with the big ears?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2022, 09:15:53 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 18, 2022, 09:20:06 PM
We are going to get pipped at the post to clubs who can offer European football and are considered big in their respective countries because we are going for or are linked to a lot higher quality player

Virtually all the links and rumours etc are for top players which is great but most won’t come off because we’ve been in the wilderness for so long
We would normally be linked to up and coming championship players or unknowns from the euro leagues

Just hope a couple of biggies do happen, Coutinho signing will help, but we are definitely fishing in a different pond nowadays which is great but not easily successful
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on May 18, 2022, 09:40:47 PM
Can someone explain to me why some believe Newcastle are the new threat to the top clubs?
I get the sovereign wealth stuff but why do some think that within the FFP (or successor rules) we can’t compete and are actually further ahead on this road?
I do not see Newcastle as the new Man City or Chelsea and effectively trumping our approach to compete.
John e above makes some valid points hence why signing Coutinho was a statement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 09:51:01 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on May 18, 2022, 09:57:55 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2022, 10:03:17 PM
He might be 29 but he's got a good engine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 18, 2022, 10:04:32 PM
Can someone explain to me why some believe Newcastle are the new threat to the top clubs?
I get the sovereign wealth stuff but why do some think that within the FFP (or successor rules) we can’t compete and are actually further ahead on this road?
I do not see Newcastle as the new Man City or Chelsea and effectively trumping our approach to compete.
John e above makes some valid points hence why signing Coutinho was a statement.

Apart from holding Barcelona to ransom there were some financial benefits to us doing the Coutinho deal early. My understanding is that the FFP rules are changing as of this summer; with an emphasis now on revenue (think clubs are only permitted to spend 70% of it from next season onwards or pay a super tax). I think prior to these rule changes Newcastle did have a significant advantage in that for years and years (until Bruce came in) Ashley spent relatively little net wise in order to make a sale for attractive as there was plenty of FFP wriggle room for spending. Now I don’t believe that will be as relevant a factor. Mind you, they could just do what Man Citeh did to get round it. After all, the EPL have already approved the Newcastle take over with the ‘interesting’ view that there is no direct link between the Saudi Royal family and the PFI. They’ll probably just wave them through again. UEFA are terrible at bringing cases against clubs for breaches of FFP also (see PSG, see Man Citeh).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 10:04:46 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:08:13 PM
Not sure he should be our main objective
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:08:51 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.
That would be a fracking amazing transfer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on May 18, 2022, 10:09:52 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:11:50 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Guess it depends on his wages - you know the Total cost of the transfer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:12:26 PM
Other signings would shale into insignificance
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 18, 2022, 10:13:21 PM
Total...ly irrelevant to the thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2022, 10:16:07 PM
Total...ly irrelevant to the thread.

Turning into just a Shell of a thread
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 10:17:13 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Guess it depends on his wages - you know the Total cost of the transfer

I'd like to have paired Tarkowski with Konsa, but Tarkowski and Mings?

Diesel do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:17:39 PM
Fucking boo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:20:26 PM
There’s been some noble contributions
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:22:59 PM
I was trying to explain to my wife the point of this forum, and why I waste so much time

She looked blank when I said that 90% of it is waiting for someone to make a small typo. so we can spend the next 3 hours making puns about it

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2022, 10:24:45 PM
I was trying to explain to my wife the point of this forum, and why I waste so much time

She looked blank when I said that 90% of it is waiting for someone to make a small typo. so we can spend the next 3 hours making puns about it




yep pretty much , now back to it  :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:34:09 PM
As long as we don’t sign a neonderthal like Ben Mee
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on May 18, 2022, 10:35:15 PM
I do wonder if we should make a signing from India to open up that commercial market. The left back for the India national team is Jerry Lalrinzuala, and if anyone could help, Jerry can!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on May 18, 2022, 11:10:11 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....

And my graduation suit in the same year.

And my school blazer the same year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 18, 2022, 11:18:05 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

I had a Gustavo Bartelt suit in the early 2000s
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 18, 2022, 11:40:27 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2022, 12:12:06 AM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 19, 2022, 06:48:44 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 19, 2022, 07:17:07 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Jumping the gun a bit there Sid. He hasn't signed for anyone  yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 08:35:32 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.

Certainly, as everything that has ever been in the gossip column has always come to pass.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 19, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.

Just like Arsenal being after Buendia?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 19, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.

No.  Not with those ears.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 09:57:04 AM
Makes sense to look at the free transfer market. Tarkowski isn’t a bad player, Wet Spam seemed willing to spend a mint on him previously.  Didn’t Gerrard say something about looking at freebies in his press conference or generally?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Christ. I know you're just about the most miserable person on here, but do you really need to invent fictitious scenarios to make yourself feel even worse?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 19, 2022, 10:13:25 AM
I think Suarez would be a good signing, still a great player and would certainly raise the clubs profile - bit like when Chelsea signed an aging Ruud Gullit

Also happy with the link to Tarkowski, good player and no fee.

Not sure I would like us to pay £60m for Phillips, although he is a good player it seems a bit steep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Philips is an excellent player.  He is used to the single DM role with a great range of passing.  Great at taking the ball under pressure and moving it on, it will give us another outball rather than relying on Mings down the left all the time.

Defensively his is quick and astute - picking up loose balls and making interceptions to snuff out attacks before they begin and strong against the counter attack which Leeds need to defend against a lot because of the way they play.  But also solid and strong in the tackle.  The only thing he lacks really is height which is something we could use.  But otherwise he seems tailor made for the way we play and a more progressive player than some of the other 'pure' DMs we've been linked with.

£60m?  I'd bite their hands off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2022, 10:40:57 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:51:12 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.

Indeed. Also, if he's such a good defensive midfielder, then I'm a bit surprised that Leeds are quite as bad defensively as they are. I mean, I know it's not all his fault, but you'd least expect a bit of solidity. There may be stats showing they're much better with him in the team I guess though, dunno. Lastly, I've only ever seen him play really for England, in the sorts of games where even Slabhead looks vaguely competent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 19, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.

I seem to remember Mings having injury issues before he came to us. I think Philips would be the perfect fit we might have to battle other clubs higher in the league but we do have the extra draw these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Randy Gurner on May 19, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Philips is an excellent player.  He is used to the single DM role with a great range of passing.  Great at taking the ball under pressure and moving it on, it will give us another outball rather than relying on Mings down the left all the time.

Defensively his is quick and astute - picking up loose balls and making interceptions to snuff out attacks before they begin and strong against the counter attack which Leeds need to defend against a lot because of the way they play.  But also solid and strong in the tackle.  The only thing he lacks really is height which is something we could use.  But otherwise he seems tailor made for the way we play and a more progressive player than some of the other 'pure' DMs we've been linked with.

£60m?  I'd bite their hands off.

I agree. In a world where Jack The Rat went for £100M, Phillips (on a long contract with no release clause) is going to cost at least half that amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.

No.  Not with those ears.

Exactly. He's quite handsome but his FA Cup handles detract, maybe his uncle is Lineker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 01:44:45 PM
I'm not so sure, I actually don't think he's very good as a single DM, with his best performances for England being alongside Rice and his best performances for Leeds being with Dallas, Koch or Klich next to him.

I think he'd be pretty similar to Luiz for us if we tried to play him as our only DM for an entire season, in that it'd look like something was missing and we'd see too many attacks coming through the middle of our defence.

Add on our need for some height alongside his cost and, whilst he's a good player, it's a no from me unless it's alongside another player coming in who can pair with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
I'm not so sure, I actually don't think he's very good as a single DM, with his best performances for England being alongside Rice and his best performances for Leeds being with Dallas, Koch or Klich next to him.

I think he'd be pretty similar to Luiz for us if we tried to play him as our only DM for an entire season, in that it'd look like something was missing and we'd see too many attacks coming through the middle of our defence.

Add on our need for some height alongside his cost and, whilst he's a good player, it's a no from me unless it's alongside another player coming in who can pair with him.
Like a Douglas Luiz who can actually defend and take and pass the ball under pressure you mean?  Sounds ok to me.

I haven't looked at the stats so could be wrong, but I'd definitely say Leeds played more with a single DM from 19 to 21 than they did with a double pivot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 02:54:44 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 19, 2022, 03:01:19 PM
I don't see what all the fuss is with Phillips, he's okay but nothing more than that.  We need an enforcer, and he's certainly not that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 19, 2022, 05:09:46 PM
Phillips is a great player, and one of the top DMs in the league.  He's just surrounded by mediocrity, much like Grealish was in our first year back in the league.

If we are committed to playing a formation that requires a specialist DM, and he's available, I'd hope we'd be in for him.  But I suspect we'd be competing against sides offering European football, either here or abroad - the Euros did wonders for his profile on the continent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 05:16:52 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.

Man City do need someone like him. Fernandinho and Gundogan are going in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 05:20:30 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 05:39:07 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.

Man City do need someone like him. Fernandinho and Gundogan are going in the summer.

They've got Rodri though, who is a much better player tha  Philips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 06:04:25 PM
Net loss of one...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 06:04:52 PM
And they're wankers who will try and sign everyone to weaken the rest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on May 19, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Christ. I know you're just about the most miserable person on here, but do you really need to invent fictitious scenarios to make yourself feel even worse?

Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

I can't see it happening in all honesty, it would be short termism of the highest order.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 06:44:35 PM
There's nothing wrong with having a few short-term solutions in the squad given we're one of the youngest squads in the league and we have a bunch of very promising young players who will be wanting to step up over the next 2 years to become regulars in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2022, 06:49:15 PM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Another happy start to the day Sid?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2022, 06:54:39 PM
It's a bit early to be talking as though it's a done deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 07:24:39 PM
Shush.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2022, 07:28:39 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there

Grealish was amazing for us. Everything went through him and everything went to him. In an elite side a really great player bends the will of other great players to make them the first ball they look for. Foden's been doing that since he was a kid. Grealish has gone there as a willing and skilful backup player.

Edit: I was one probably one of the ones moaning about Grealish not getting a chance for England, although I might not have been because I care nothing for the England football team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 19, 2022, 07:33:07 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there

Grealish was amazing for us. Everything went through him and everything went to him. In an elite side a really great player bends the will of other great players to make them the first ball they look for. Foden's been doing that since he was a kid. Grealish has gone there as a willing and skilful backup player.


Make no mistake about it brand Grealish made sure everything went through him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 08:02:13 PM
Lets not rewrite history here, Grealish was a better player than Foden at the time but in truth both of them should've been starting for England.

We also need to consider the reverse effect, for some people Villa players get 'marked down' by our fans a lot more than opposition players, just look at the comments in the last few months about McGinn and Watkins, when I talk to supporters of other clubs they can't understand why so many Villa fans would be happy for 1 or both to leave this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 10:00:47 PM
Tarkowski on a free is great business.  He is a natural scrapper and defender.  It's a yes from me but I suspect West Ham will nab him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:03:23 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 19, 2022, 10:20:10 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.

I fear it does have legs.  The comment from Gerrard that we are not far from announcing something suggests a free transfer is close. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:30:40 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.

I fear it does have legs.  The comment from Gerrard that we are not far from announcing something suggests a free transfer is close. 

Another trying to lower our expectations? He won't last long if that's the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 20, 2022, 07:16:07 AM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

Hasn’t he been quoted as saying he’d never go there in respect of Leeds massive rivalry with them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2022, 08:14:17 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 20, 2022, 08:29:25 AM
I am a little concerned by the Suarez rumours.  Mostly because I dont think he is the answer to what we need.  He would be a useful squad player and people will learn from him but I worry it will leave us over staffed in that area and maybe block the route through for some players - unless we cash in on Watkins

I dont think it will be a huge overhaul, as I dont think our squad is that bad - the DCM, maybe competition for Konsa, a CF and maybe some backup for a few position. 

Players like McGinn and Mings - I really struggle to think well find better players that are willing to come. 

My biggest concern is our struggle to break teams down and take our chances.  Defensively we're ok and will be better with a DCM.  But in the final third it feels more about getting us to work.  I find it strange that so much effort is put into trying to get Ings and Watkins working together, but not emi and PC - as for my money Emi & PC are much better players and if we could get them working together it could be amazing

I think for that to work we would need a top CF though - but to do that we would need to move on one of Ings or Watkins

To be honest if you look at the squads I would only say that out of our direct competition - its only Wolves and Leicester that I look at and say they have more than 1 or 2 players that I rate above ours

I would expect, given a pre-season and even without any more new signings that SG should be able to take what we have to 11 or above
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.

Ah, fair enough. We will see, I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 20, 2022, 08:38:36 AM
Defensive midfielder and a striker are key signings this summer. Everything else is secondary.

People saying that Mings isn't good enough need their heads looking at. He's been immense for us lately, and how many clangers has he dropped for England when he has decent protection in front of him? I think if Gerrard gets that midfield functioning, it could make us quite a formidably tight unit to play against.

Up front is another area. I like Watkins and Ings, but despite the effort being there, for some reason they just haven't been firing this season. Ollie last night was woeful.... Every touch pretty much bounced off him. Not sure what's happened to him compared to last season? Maybe he just needs a reset over the summer, but I think with players such as Coutinho and Buendia feeding our supply line, we need better quality up front to make the most of this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2022, 08:48:13 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.

Ah, fair enough. We will see, I suppose.

Yep, still not sure I’d want him for £60m, based on this season’s form and injury record. That said, if rumours of a £25m relegation release clause are true, he’d be an absolute snip at that price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 20, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.
My club, my city?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 20, 2022, 09:46:50 AM
Juventus linked with Pogba and Jorginho, I wonder if there was anything in the previous links to Weston McKennie and we’d be back in for him?
Is he more an 8 rather than the fabled DM?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 20, 2022, 09:48:31 AM
Sign Pogba on a free, sell for £89m, sign Pogba on a free. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 20, 2022, 09:56:49 AM
Sign Pogba on a free, sell for £89m, sign Pogba on a free. Fucking hell.

Nice work isn’t it?!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 20, 2022, 10:52:48 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 20, 2022, 10:57:15 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.

The only capacity in which I'd employ Bamford is as the receptionist in our player rehab facilities.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 11:01:31 AM
We should be nowhere near Bamford. He has half the all round game of Watkins, and has spent the entire season injured. Plus, and I can't overstate this point, he's a massive twat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 11:10:50 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Get the fuck outta here
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2022, 12:10:17 PM
If we can sign two, perhaps three players from the category above where we’ve been shopping it will be transformational.

Where the overhaul is needed is on the fringes now - we’ve got a bunch of players out on loan, some of whom I’d forgotten even existed, that need to be moved on plus those on the fringes of the first team who haven’t had a look in. Lots to do there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 20, 2022, 12:16:04 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2022, 12:33:30 PM
Bamford? You must be joking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2022, 12:38:14 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.

Fuck that !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2022, 12:41:31 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


I think i prefer the misery material.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2022, 12:43:47 PM
The most important thing is a new spine, 3 top level players. One CB that can play either side and leave Mings and Chambers to battle it out to play next to him. A defensive mid, leaving McGinn and Luiz to battle it out to play alongside (McGinn currently though) and Ramsey further forward and then a big strong quick centre forward that scores plenty and holds the ball up well, leaving Ings and Watkins to battle it out to play alongside.
Anything else is fine tuning really, in part depending on anyone leaving who clearly needs to be replaced.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 20, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Can you please tick the box to prove you are not a robot?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on May 20, 2022, 01:01:32 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Can you please tick the box to prove you are not a robot?

LOL Dave...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2022, 01:34:50 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.

Tell us more....Bamford (Patrick) is about the same level as Watkins and a lot more injury prone. Leeds must have an issue with the conditioning of their players, some amount of injuries to key players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 20, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.

Tell us more....Bamford (Patrick) is about the same level as Watkins and a lot more injury prone. Leeds must have an issue with the conditioning of their players, some amount of injuries to key players.

Tim Sherwood. Bamford is his love child.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 20, 2022, 06:43:11 PM
Didnt know where to put this so thought id drop it in tgus thread. Have anyone seen this £15 million clause in the deal for Joe? Surely that cant be legal knowing we play them on the final day? Also, is that an additional £15 Mill? Why would they add that if he's release clause was met if there's nothing corrupt about it? They essentially paid us £15 Mill to throw the game. If it was part of the deal, then we've basically give them a discount if they didn't win the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2022, 06:47:24 PM
It’s BS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 20, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
Not in favour of multiple signings.

We need evolution, not revolution every year.

A first choice top class defensive mid and some stronger bench options replacing those departing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 07:30:36 PM
Not in favour of multiple signings.

We need evolution, not revolution every year.

A first choice top class defensive mid and some stronger bench options replacing those departing.

So, multiple signings, then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 20, 2022, 07:47:09 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Good idea, my car could do with a good wash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 20, 2022, 07:51:46 PM
3 in and 5 out would be my guess

1 center back
1 defensive mid
1 striker

Bert
Anwar
Trez
Ings or Watkins
Sanson

I think will depart. Maybe Kenan Davis too but that might be a loan to buy somewhere.

I would be very happy with that unless something magical comes up and we take them as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 20, 2022, 08:05:53 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Bloody hell Sid, are you not already annoyed enough watching the Villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2022, 09:13:50 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
3 in and 5 out would be my guess

1 center back
1 defensive mid
1 striker

Bert
Anwar
Trez
Ings or Watkins
Sanson

I think will depart. Maybe Kenan Davis too but that might be a loan to buy somewhere.

I would be very happy with that unless something magical comes up and we take them as well.

It'll be a lot more than 5 out but a lot of them are players that we've mentally already said goodbye to (Guilbert, Kalinic, Hourihane, Wesley, Steer). I'm not convinced Bert will go though, I think we might give him and bailey another chance, but you can replace him with Targett who I think will stay at Newcastle. By the reports today I think Davis might well be given a chance with us, which i'm happy with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 20, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on May 20, 2022, 10:58:46 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do
To be or not to be - that is the question! (sorry I m drunk)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 01:40:22 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2022, 02:56:21 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?

If one is to go I suggest we cash in on Watkins whose value will only decrease next season. Let him miss sitters for somebody else. Ings won't mind coming off the bench and is a far more clinical finisher and better suits our (so called) system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 21, 2022, 05:43:56 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?

If one is to go I suggest we cash in on Watkins whose value will only decrease next season. Let him miss sitters for somebody else. Ings won't mind coming off the bench and is a far more clinical finisher and better suits our (so called) system.

Watkins is always Gerrards first choice though. Indicates to me it will be the other way round.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 21, 2022, 07:19:15 AM
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2022, 08:50:14 AM
My ticklist;

Centre forward: must convert more chances, lookimg for a good first touch and be mobile. Tough find.

Defensive midfielder: physically imposing, have height, good acceleration, good distribution even if its simple balls.

Centre half: concentration and distribution to meet the physical side absolutely key.

Not too bothered with sales, as we have a squad now we will always get money for. But that injection of quality above what we have into the first team, down the spine, is vital. The epidural summer to alleviate past pain is now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2022, 09:09:01 AM
Three players for me, incoming as a must.  Centre half, midfield enforcer and another midfielder with physicality and able to keep the ball.  Phillips and Bissouma types if you like.  I would also take Tarkowski. 

On another issue, Gerrard said something about bringing in someone he knows as captain.  Not sure who that is but I can see Milner coming back on a two year deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 21, 2022, 10:59:44 AM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do

I think one of them will go defo
Depends on who we get any offers for I suppose
I wouldn’t be that surprised if we started next season without both though unlikely
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2022, 01:28:32 PM
After what Gerrard said about Watkins recently I would be really surprised if we sold him.

He's talked about not needing lots of players in and just adding quality to the spine of the team.

I think he'll want 3 proven strikers because there are some games where playing 2 up front is a good option. That would mean keeping Ings and he would look pretty stupid if he let Ings go and started banging in goals for someone else. I think he'll wait until he thinks Archer is ready before moving Ings on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 21, 2022, 02:12:11 PM
After what Gerrard said about Watkins recently I would be really surprised if we sold him.

He's talked about not needing lots of players in and just adding quality to the spine of the team.

I think he'll want 3 proven strikers because there are some games where playing 2 up front is a good option. That would mean keeping Ings and he would look pretty stupid if he let Ings go and started banging in goals for someone else. I think he'll wait until he thinks Archer is ready before moving Ings on.
I agree. If we're likely to be playing 2 up front as often as not, the squad can easily support 3 strikers plus a 4th choice player from the u23s. Don't think Ollie is likely to go, and selling Ings so soon after buying him would seem very odd, especially if he starts banging them in elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 04:45:21 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2022, 05:28:04 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 06:19:45 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Agreed with a massive BUT!!!

The best strikers in the world make their own chances and even when feeding off scraps score goals. I saw a stat a while back on xg vs goals scored and walking and ings scored highly and were shown to not be missing sitters. The problem with xg is its massively flawed as its raw data is taken from incudes absolute shitters like Ashley Barnes and talented but goal shy timo werner. Which skews the results.

Whilst Lukaku, Sara, Kane, Son, Mane, Jota, KDB & Ronaldo Bury half and even quarter chances that would show as a meer 0.2 or 0.1 on the XG scale players like Watlins (who I'm very fond of and in no way want to hound out the club) miss 1 on 1s with shocking regularity.
When was the last time you saw a villa player 1 on 1 and thought this is in and it actually went it?

We need that striker who scores half and quarter chances or can make there own. I really would love us to go for David this summer because he's quick! He will scare the living daylights out of defenders like Gabby used to and that pace will create chances either for himself or lay offs to the other strikers to score but David himself is wasteful but young enough to possibly coach the killer instinct into where as I fear Watkin is to old for that now.

As mentioned above Watkins stock is fairly high and we would get good money for him. Ings has virtually no resale value and will be happy to be a squad player its a coin flip for me but I would lean towards keeping Ollie and selling ings with a more clinical player or a young raw talent coming in to be moulded into the striker we have needed since Dwight f'd off to united.
Don't write off Bailey either he is a fantastic player and was rushed back for an injury early in the season which has lead to him suffering all season as a result. A solid pre season and he will be like the fabled new player.

My short list for striker supreme would be

David as a project
Ben Yedder as a stop gap for a few seasons
Lewandowski (dreaming)
Nkunku plays a little deeper as more of a 10 but has everything in his game to play virtually anywhere.
Tammy but he would cost to much
Finally angel correa from athletico.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2022, 06:41:46 PM
spot on, but do you have any realistic signings? :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
Agree HT, we bought Ings to score the chances that he has regularly been spurning.
Watkins is not a natural finisher and his first touch, vision and passing is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
spot on, but do you have any realistic signings? :D

Some are very hopeful but David, correct and yedder would all come if the money was right I'm sure. What I dont want to see is 45 million on Calverton lewen or a player of that ilk
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2022, 07:58:22 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Rudy Gestede with a bad taste in clothes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2022, 08:55:05 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Rudy Gestede with a bad taste in clothes.

I snorted and now have a nice Rose over my T shirt. Thanks…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 22, 2022, 07:02:02 AM
Chamber's has looked better and more reliable than Konsa on recent form.
May save us a shed load of money to spend on reinforcements elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 22, 2022, 08:35:11 AM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Agreed with a massive BUT!!!

The best strikers in the world make their own chances and even when feeding off scraps score goals. I saw a stat a while back on xg vs goals scored and walking and ings scored highly and were shown to not be missing sitters. The problem with xg is its massively flawed as its raw data is taken from incudes absolute shitters like Ashley Barnes and talented but goal shy timo werner. Which skews the results.

Whilst Lukaku, Sara, Kane, Son, Mane, Jota, KDB & Ronaldo Bury half and even quarter chances that would show as a meer 0.2 or 0.1 on the XG scale players like Watlins (who I'm very fond of and in no way want to hound out the club) miss 1 on 1s with shocking regularity.
When was the last time you saw a villa player 1 on 1 and thought this is in and it actually went it?

We need that striker who scores half and quarter chances or can make there own. I really would love us to go for David this summer because he's quick! He will scare the living daylights out of defenders like Gabby used to and that pace will create chances either for himself or lay offs to the other strikers to score but David himself is wasteful but young enough to possibly coach the killer instinct into where as I fear Watkin is to old for that now.

As mentioned above Watkins stock is fairly high and we would get good money for him. Ings has virtually no resale value and will be happy to be a squad player its a coin flip for me but I would lean towards keeping Ollie and selling ings with a more clinical player or a young raw talent coming in to be moulded into the striker we have needed since Dwight f'd off to united.
Don't write off Bailey either he is a fantastic player and was rushed back for an injury early in the season which has lead to him suffering all season as a result. A solid pre season and he will be like the fabled new player.

My short list for striker supreme would be

David as a project
Ben Yedder as a stop gap for a few seasons
Lewandowski (dreaming)
Nkunku plays a little deeper as more of a 10 but has everything in his game to play virtually anywhere.
Tammy but he would cost to much
Finally angel correa from athletico.
I'm certainly no expert on xG, and don't really have skin in the game as it were, but I'd understood it as being a measure of the quality of chances created. So it's more a measure of how effective a team is as a creative (xG for) and defensive (xG against) force - so in the case you mentioned having a high xG for but not putting chances away suggests exactly what you've described, wasteful strikers. Having a low xG against, conversely, probably means your defensive midfielder & defenders are effective at limiting the chances the opposition create.

It just feels to me like it actually supports what your saying pretty well. Though it might be that I've not understood it properly too 😜
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
Watkins and Ings have had an off season, yet Watkins still has double figures and Ings is doing well in the assists column. They will both do better next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
our XG is a little over 1 per game. Probably a combination of a lot of 0.2 & 0.3 chances. We need to create better and clear cut chances. Ings has missed a few recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 22, 2022, 10:43:27 AM
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.

Two excellent players but will be looking for CL football surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 22, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
Watkins and Ings have had an off season, yet Watkins still has double figures and Ings is doing well in the assists column. They will both do better next season.

I'd agree with that, and think they will have competition signed anyway, plus Archer and Davis offering something different.

However I would still take a big offer for either of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2022, 11:21:00 AM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Nah they've missed too many this year.

Ollie with that one on one v Wolves is classic case. Get back to 2-1 earlier and we would've got something out of that game and perhaps still have a chance finishing above Wolves so it was a really bad miss.

Ings the next week v Spurs simply couldn't sort his feet out in the first half which has happened too often this season for someone who was a good finisher for Southampton. Even v Liverpool he missed a decent chance first half. Finished the offside goal well but I think he knew he was off so relaxed a bit.

In games v top half teams you're not going to create 4-5 good chances very often so simply have to take them as Spurs expertly did v us.

That's why they're top 6 certs even in mediocre seasons and we're way off that.

Hopefully Archer can get a few goals early in the cups and get off in the mark in the prem as he could be a nice surprise next season given some of the finishes he's had for Preston.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2022, 01:18:16 PM
Ings has missed a lot, that historically he'd be putting away with aplomb. I'm hopeful he'll get an injection of confidence next season. He's struggled to get going with niggling injuries and form, but has still created a few. He works very hard too. I like him a lot, but sentiment gets you nowhere. He's 30 soon and if a good offer gets us at least 80% of what we forked out, we'd be crazy not to take it, providing we're buying proven quality.

I think at this point, Watkins is absolutely key to how we (will) play. Unless it's silly money, I'd not be selling at all. He's hit 25 in two seasons, so we'd have to be asking at least 50. That's probably not even eye watering enough to consider.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 01:26:10 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 01:28:21 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.

Two excellent players but will be looking for CL football surely.
both off to Milan apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 01:52:13 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.

You've made me geek out a little because I wanted to see how we fit within the league in attack. So lets present some really geeky stats for everyone (feel free to skip this):

50 goals (9th in the league)
460 shots (10th)
160 shots on target (9th)
34.78% shots on target (10th; league average - 34.11%)
31.25% goals from shots on target (12th; league average - 31.00%)
9.2 shots per goal (10th; league average - 9.82)

So our conversion of shots on target to goals is a bit poor but even still every single one of those suggests we should be higher up the table than we are. Even worse if you dig into almost every stat going you get the same picture of us being almost exactly on the league average, by pretty much every statistic we should be 10/11th in the league.

I don't really have a point with this but to say that I think we can consider ourselves pretty unlucky to not be higher up the league and that gives me cause for optimism that we can improve a fair bit without too many changes to the squad.

If I could be bothered I suspect digging deeper into the stats would show periods in the season where our stats are far better than above and periods where they're really poor (such as the stat that got me started on this silliness) which goes back to the accepted fact that our biggest problem is our inconsistency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 01:54:49 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.

There's beena  lot of talk around that recently, I think it's coming from a comment by Gerrard the other day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 02:08:16 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.

I hate using these stats, but we have scored 50 goals and our "expected goals" is only 42.88. So it suggests our finishing isn't as bad as is often made out. Admittedly that's not all strikers, but, even so. No club scores every chance. Except Tottenham when they play at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 22, 2022, 02:46:58 PM
My take from those stats is that to challenge top 6 we have got to improve strike rate, accuracy and conversion rate. I do not think you achieve that with the same set up, particularly in the forward line.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 22, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
Kamara might be coming to us: https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1528371786546614273

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528371831819972610
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 22, 2022, 02:50:33 PM
If you believe that Fabrizio fella Kamara is almost done
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:02:14 PM
Is he good?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Keeno on May 22, 2022, 03:08:17 PM
This would be more of a coup than getting Coutinho in January. Wow
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:09:59 PM
Is he good?

From what I've seen and his stats he's exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 22, 2022, 03:11:12 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Not going to get excited until I’ve seen him play in a Villa shirt and he’s brilliant 🤩
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:14:54 PM
Is he good?

From what I've seen and his stats he's exactly what we need.

Ta. Fingers crossed then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 22, 2022, 03:27:04 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.
By the law of averages one French bloke has to be good for us, surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 03:28:31 PM

460 shots per game (10th)


How exciting to watch are we?! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2022, 03:30:57 PM
57th in Ligue 1 for blocks, 59th for Tackles, 38th for interceptions.,6th for passes, 17th for pass competition. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:34:36 PM

460 shots per game (10th)


How exciting to watch are we?! ;)

Feck, I'd put per game and then decided it read better to give the total.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:35:12 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.
By the law of averages one French bloke has to be good for us, surely?

Digne and Amavi. Also Berson was good but we got rid of him for some reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 22, 2022, 03:48:07 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

He's a lovely footballer. Tough, elegant, precise.

That would be a wonderful signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 22, 2022, 03:56:22 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃

Money talks would be my only thought on that really. Even if Morgan is slating us money and the obvious desired trajectory of the club would be the deciding factor I would think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2022, 04:23:33 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃

He’ll tell him to avoid Birmingham. It’s cursed. Can’t move without getting injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 04:26:39 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

Know nothing about him but happy to take the word of others that he's absolutely brilliant.

As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 04:38:35 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads

I've still got a grip on my seat. Should I have one hand on each?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on May 22, 2022, 04:50:32 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Boubacar Bernard Kamara (born 23 November 1999) is a French professional footballer who plays as a defensive midfielder for Aston Villa .[3] Mainly a defensive midfielder, he can also play as a centre-back.[3]
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 04:52:31 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

Know nothing about him but happy to take the word of others that he's absolutely brilliant.

As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?


Yeh…this was a Covid delayed golf trip in Arizona that I’m on. Fucked me off massively when I found it it clashed with the meet up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 04:52:37 PM
His first name is much more exciting than his middle name.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
His first name is much more exciting than his middle name.

I'm up for a Weekend at Bernie's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 04:57:20 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads

I've still got a grip on my seat. Should I have one hand on each?

Perch on the edge of your seat, use the left hand to hold on to your hat and the right hand... haha
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 22, 2022, 04:57:56 PM
Apparently this is all but done now. There’s an article on the signing in the athletic if anyone with a sub wants to copy and paste it here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 04:58:20 PM
Romano.
Apparently kamara is a done deal. 5 year contract.
Hope it is true. It would massive. Not only the player but to confiance him to sign for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 22, 2022, 05:02:05 PM
Fantastic statement of intent if this comes off, particularly considering the other teams linked with him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2022, 05:05:20 PM
The bloke who told me about little Phil (it was my one and only ITK scoop on here) told me about Kamara about ten minutes ago. He needs to pull his finger out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 05:07:32 PM
The bloke who told me about little Phil (it was my one and only ITK scoop on here) told me about Kamara about ten minutes ago. He needs to pull his finger out.

start the Kamara thread Percy. You got this one
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2022, 05:53:10 PM
The bloke who told me about little Phil (it was my one and only ITK scoop on here) told me about Kamara about ten minutes ago. He needs to pull his finger out.

start the Kamara thread Percy. You got this one

Not with my luck.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 05:57:20 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:13:28 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.

It happened once publicly with Joe Bryan. Who has turned out to be an average as you like footballer. I sincerely hope he didn’t hurt you. How many other players have suddenly signed elsewhere when they were nailed on to sign for us according to reputable sources?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 22, 2022, 06:20:29 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.

It happened once publicly with Joe Bryan. Who has turned out to be an average as you like footballer. I sincerely hope he didn’t hurt you. How many other players have suddenly signed elsewhere when they were nailed on to sign for us according to reputable sources?

Didn’t we once have one flounce off straight after he signed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 06:22:40 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.

It happened once publicly with Joe Bryan. Who has turned out to be an average as you like footballer. I sincerely hope he didn’t hurt you. How many other players have suddenly signed elsewhere when they were nailed on to sign for us according to reputable sources?

Didn’t we once have one flounce off straight after he signed?

Yeh but he signed and then fucked off to Everton. Unsworth another non entity. Bottom line is, far more reputable media members have put their name to this as being done. I don’t think a bunch internet warriors on a Villa website are going to influence the universe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 22, 2022, 06:47:17 PM
Well, Kamara & Coutinho in before the previous season's ended, for less than £20m isn't a bad start at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:47:54 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.

It happened once publicly with Joe Bryan. Who has turned out to be an average as you like footballer. I sincerely hope he didn’t hurt you. How many other players have suddenly signed elsewhere when they were nailed on to sign for us according to reputable sources?

There was definitely at least one other. Swansea as I recall. Then we signed Tom Carroll instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on May 22, 2022, 06:52:34 PM
If nobody could start it until he signs, that would be nice. I've been hurt before.

It happened once publicly with Joe Bryan. Who has turned out to be an average as you like footballer. I sincerely hope he didn’t hurt you. How many other players have suddenly signed elsewhere when they were nailed on to sign for us according to reputable sources?

There was definitely at least one other. Swansea as I recall. Then we signed Tom Carroll instead.

Leroy Fer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 06:55:20 PM
Thanks, I was sure I hadn't dreamt it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 22, 2022, 10:14:36 PM
So. As much as I love Ollie Watkins for his workrate, and the fact he’s always there - him finishing and control leave a lot to be desired. I don’t want him to leave, but if he could play as a second striker to someone, it might be good?

Obviously we have Archer on the cusp of the squad - and Ings there too. But I guess the assumption of us all is that we will see a new striker come in this summer?

It’s gone a bit quiet but Suarez on a free? Sadly I think Ollie - despite 1 goal in 3 - doesn’t really have the ruthless streak that we need. With a quality finisher on the pitch today, we’d have been 4-0 up before they got a sniff into the game.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 10:36:25 PM
Gerrard said that we will see in the coming days and weeks what we have been working on behind the scenes.  I hope for a couple in before the end of the Month in that case! 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 22, 2022, 10:43:14 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.

Two excellent players but will be looking for CL football surely.
both off to Milan apparently

Shame. I think we probably could have got Sanches last summer as Lille really needed the money post Covid/fans behind doors. Schick, again I think it’s probably too late. Again, we managed to get Bailey out of Leverkusen because of the Covid loses. Milan now being back in the champions league and it being Milan, well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 22, 2022, 10:45:45 PM
I’d guess we could dwarf what Milan could pay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 22, 2022, 10:48:00 PM
I’d guess we could dwarf what Milan could pay.

There is that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2022, 10:16:38 AM
Right, now that we have the long-awaited DM in Kamara, my current asks are:

In:
Tarkowski on a free
Upgrade on Luiz / McGinn (if i was to be generous, i would give McGinn another season further forward)
An upgrade on Ings / Watkins
New backup keeper
Another wide player

Out:
On balance, Luiz to go ahead of McGinn.
One of Watkins / Ings
El Ghazi
Trez
Wesley
Targett
Sanson
Traore (if he could stay fit, i wouldn't be totally against him staying)

Chuk needs a full season in the championship, would keep Iroegbunam as backup DM
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 10:22:33 AM
I'm not sure we'll go for another wide player, would prefer to get Bailey and Traore fit for a season. Think we might go for another central DM as our 'big' signing. Whether that's Bissouma, AN Other or Phillips (who we've been consistently linked with) probably depends on how Gerrard sees them playing with Kamara (and McGinn/Ramsey/Luiz in front of them).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 10:47:42 AM
I'm not sure we'll go for another wide player, would prefer to get Bailey and Traore fit for a season. Think we might go for another central DM as our 'big' signing. Whether that's Bissouma, AN Other or Phillips (who we've been consistently linked with) probably depends on how Gerrard sees them playing with Kamara (and McGinn/Ramsey/Luiz in front of them).

Yep, Bissouma or Phillips next to Kamara would hopefully get us closer to the Soucek-Rice model which works so well for West Ham. We'd then have three spots for the more attack minded McGinn/Ramsey/Coutinho/Buendia/Bailey/Traore to fight for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 23, 2022, 10:57:42 AM
Im sure we have said it before, but getting PC and Kamara for 17m is amazing business

Really positive start to the summer, and sets us up nicely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 10:58:00 AM
Not sure about that. I can see him keep trying the doomed two up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on May 23, 2022, 11:05:24 AM
Not sure about that. I can see him keep trying the doomed two up front.

It worked a treat in some games. What's wrong with having different options? If we want to get back to the top table we will need tog et used to having a lot of selection headaches and being able to spring the odd surprise change in formation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 23, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
I just want to watch Beundia and Coutinhio in the same side most weeks, which leaves us with one centre forward position.
I think Luiz will probably go, which may open the door for another midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 11:26:09 AM
I just want to watch Beundia and Coutinhio in the same side most weeks, which leaves us with one centre forward position.

This.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 11:29:53 AM
Given we played Coutinho and Buendia in what was on paper the toughest game we could face I’d suggest Gerrard probably sees playing them together as his best option.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2022, 11:34:01 AM
Im sure we have said it before, but getting PC and Kamara for 17m is amazing business

Really positive start to the summer, and sets us up nicely.

Yes it is good to see these deals done early.

Last season was the same with Buendia, and all was going well until Jack did the dirty and we had to chuck our transfer plans out the window. I blame Jack for that more than recruitment team tbh.

If we were to add Tarkowski (an excellent defender), and Suarez or Lewandowski (unlikey but linked) it puts better players through the whole spine for little outlay and would be canny business from the club.

If they can get any coin for Wesley, El Ghazi, Trezeguet, Nakamba, Hause and Luiz then there could be £100m to spend (including funds not from sales) and still be well inside FFP. If that goes on a Phillips / Bissouma and one more big upgrade then it will be a very good squad heading into next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 23, 2022, 11:37:30 AM
I don't Lewandowski has been linked has he? Can't see him coming here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 11:38:58 AM
The bit that would concern me about Tarkowski, and admittedly I may be wrong here, is he’s been playing in a team that sets out to defend. I don’t think that’s us, so defending becomes much harder and I don’t know how he’d adapt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on May 23, 2022, 11:42:35 AM
Tarkowski is a reasonable player, but if we're signing a centre back this summer it really needs to be an upgrade on Mings and/or Konsa, which I'm not sure Tarkowski is. Unless we sign Tarkowski and another centre back I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on May 23, 2022, 11:42:38 AM
I don't Lewandowski has been linked has he? Can't see him coming here.

He was linked on this thread as a joke I think!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on May 23, 2022, 11:42:39 AM
We know Tarkowski can defend can he distribute though? That’s what Konsa lacks in my view and needs to develop. If we can distribute better in the right half of the pitch it’ll take some pressure off Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Proposition Joe on May 23, 2022, 11:45:02 AM
Right, now that we have the long-awaited DM in Kamara, my current asks are:

In:
Upgrade on Luiz / McGinn (if i was to be generous, i would give McGinn another season further forward)


It's weird, but on the basis of that Chelsea away game (either the league or league cup one, it's so long ago now), I would have said that Sanson was that upgrade. Better technique than McGinn and still quite combative. I guess some players just never fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 23, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Right, now that we have the long-awaited DM in Kamara, my current asks are:

In:
Upgrade on Luiz / McGinn (if i was to be generous, i would give McGinn another season further forward)


It's weird, but on the basis of that Chelsea away game (either the league or league cup one, it's so long ago now), I would have said that Sanson was that upgrade. Better technique than McGinn and still quite combative. I guess some players just never fit.
Yep, i've just resigned myself to Sanson not working out here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 23, 2022, 12:40:05 PM
I assume Sanson and Kamara would have played together some. Maybe there’s a partnership in the making for next season if we don’t ship him off. I don’t know why, but for someone I’ve barely seen play, I want Sanson to come good as it just feels like there’s something there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 01:01:42 PM
I assume Sanson and Kamara would have played together some. Maybe there’s a partnership in the making for next season if we don’t ship him off. I don’t know why, but for someone I’ve barely seen play, I want Sanson to come good as it just feels like there’s something there.

I'm the same, I've liked what little I've seen of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 23, 2022, 01:03:12 PM
We know Tarkowski can defend can he distribute though? That’s what Konsa lacks in my view and needs to develop. If we can distribute better in the right half of the pitch it’ll take some pressure off Mings.

I agree and at one point I couldn't understand why Konsa wasn't getting an England call up. I think his lack of decent distribution has highlighted a possible reason but their again how does Maguire get in the team?

Its possible that Tarkowski can play out from the back but as hes in the Burnley team we haven't seen much of it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 01:27:40 PM
Im sure we have said it before, but getting PC and Kamara for 17m is amazing business

Really positive start to the summer, and sets us up nicely.

I would hope he’s trying to build the way Liverpool play with three front players. We need a proper CF for it to work with Coutinho and Buendia either side. Then you have two solid CM’s in front of a DM. I think none of Bailey or Bert is gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
I assume Sanson and Kamara would have played together some. Maybe there’s a partnership in the making for next season if we don’t ship him off. I don’t know why, but for someone I’ve barely seen play, I want Sanson to come good as it just feels like there’s something there.

For whatever reason or reasons both Smith and Gerrard haven't been keen on Sanson. He clearly is a talented player, having a midfielder at the club capable of turning onto either foot with the ball would always make you stand out at AVFC.., but my suspicion is there are valid doubts about his athleticism to compete at the EPL level. Ramsey under two coaches now has been prioritised ahead of him and McGinn (rightly or wrongly) remains undroppable. I'd say it's a certainty he has played his last game with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 23, 2022, 01:59:23 PM
Since Gerrard has arrived we've upgraded from a "war chest" to a "war room".

Be interesting to have look at that room on the Villa tour.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?

Yeh…this was a Covid delayed golf trip in Arizona that I’m on. Fucked me off massively when I found it it clashed with the meet up.

That was unfortunate, 4 Villans headed up from Cayman and had a great time. $24k raised for Acorns too.

https://twitter.com/TorontoLions/status/1528682966926479361

See you at next year's gathering then. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 02:23:39 PM
As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?

Yeh…this was a Covid delayed golf trip in Arizona that I’m on. Fucked me off massively when I found it it clashed with the meet up.

That was unfortunate, 4 Villans headed up from Cayman and had a great time. $24k raised for Acorns too.

https://twitter.com/TorontoLions/status/1528682966926479361

See you at next year's gathering then. :)

Yes absolutely. I’ve been to these before and they’re brilliant. Just shit that I couldn’t go when it was in my own city. Hey, that’s the way it goes. Hope some of the folk on here will be able to join in also
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 02:25:43 PM
Since Gerrard has arrived we've upgraded from a "war chest" to a "war room".

Be interesting to have look at that room on the Villa tour.

So long as there's no fighting in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 23, 2022, 02:25:57 PM
As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?

Yeh…this was a Covid delayed golf trip in Arizona that I’m on. Fucked me off massively when I found it it clashed with the meet up.

That was unfortunate, 4 Villans headed up from Cayman and had a great time. $24k raised for Acorns too.

https://twitter.com/TorontoLions/status/1528682966926479361

See you at next year's gathering then. :)

Was Pete there from "The Holy Trinity"?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 02:30:21 PM
Im sure we have said it before, but getting PC and Kamara for 17m is amazing business

Really positive start to the summer, and sets us up nicely.

I would hope he’s trying to build the way Liverpool play with three front players. We need a proper CF for it to work with Coutinho and Buendia either side. Then you have two solid CM’s in front of a DM. I think none of Bailey or Bert is gone.
There's a massive difference in pace and power though.  I like the way Liverpool play, but if we were going for that I would have thought Watkins and Bailey would have been the more likley candidates for the Mane and Salah roles.  Having gone down the Coutinho / Buendia route we will have to play differently.  I guess the similarity will be the fullbacks, unfortuantely they have two of the best in the world at that role.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 23, 2022, 02:35:59 PM
Im sure we have said it before, but getting PC and Kamara for 17m is amazing business

Really positive start to the summer, and sets us up nicely.

I would hope he’s trying to build the way Liverpool play with three front players. We need a proper CF for it to work with Coutinho and Buendia either side. Then you have two solid CM’s in front of a DM. I think none of Bailey or Bert is gone.
There's a massive difference in pace and power though.  I like the way Liverpool play, but if we were going for that I would have thought Watkins and Bailey would have been the more likley candidates for the Mane and Salah roles.  Having gone down the Coutinho / Buendia route we will have to play differently.  I guess the similarity will be the fullbacks, unfortuantely they have two of the best in the world at that role.
It has taken TAA a few seasons to get to this level though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 23, 2022, 04:10:59 PM
We know Tarkowski can defend can he distribute though? That’s what Konsa lacks in my view and needs to develop. If we can distribute better in the right half of the pitch it’ll take some pressure off Mings.

I agree and at one point I couldn't understand why Konsa wasn't getting an England call up. I think his lack of decent distribution has highlighted a possible reason but their again how does Maguire get in the team?

Its possible that Tarkowski can play out from the back but as hes in the Burnley team we haven't seen much of it?

Everton have reportedly offered him £90k a week according to Villa fan, Matt law at the Telegraph.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 23, 2022, 04:15:57 PM
We know Tarkowski can defend can he distribute though? That’s what Konsa lacks in my view and needs to develop. If we can distribute better in the right half of the pitch it’ll take some pressure off Mings.

I agree and at one point I couldn't understand why Konsa wasn't getting an England call up. I think his lack of decent distribution has highlighted a possible reason but their again how does Maguire get in the team?

Its possible that Tarkowski can play out from the back but as hes in the Burnley team we haven't seen much of it?

Everton have reportedly offered him £90k a week according to Villa fan, Matt law at the Telegraph.
I swear our publicly linked players are as much a smoke screen as anything ...

"Likely to pay £60m for Phillips" - pick up Boubacar Kamara on a free
"We really want Tarkowski" - convince Everton to take their eye off the ball and offer him silly money so we can pick up the second coming of McGrath for 50p and a dogeared David Speedie panini sticker.
"Yeah definitely signing Suarez" - probably going to end up getting PSG to give us Mbappe for free and pay all his wages whilst they're at it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 23, 2022, 04:42:46 PM
We know Tarkowski can defend can he distribute though? That’s what Konsa lacks in my view and needs to develop. If we can distribute better in the right half of the pitch it’ll take some pressure off Mings.

I agree and at one point I couldn't understand why Konsa wasn't getting an England call up. I think his lack of decent distribution has highlighted a possible reason but their again how does Maguire get in the team?

Its possible that Tarkowski can play out from the back but as hes in the Burnley team we haven't seen much of it?

Everton have reportedly offered him £90k a week according to Villa fan, Matt law at the Telegraph.
Those wages sound daft. But for a decent PL player on a free I'd guess £5m siging on fee is still very cheap - amortise that over 5 years into wages and then you're talking c £70k a week, which starts to sound a bit more sensible?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 23, 2022, 04:52:39 PM

That was unfortunate, 4 Villans headed up from Cayman and had a great time. $24k raised for Acorns too.

https://twitter.com/TorontoLions/status/1528682966926479361

See you at next year's gathering then. :)

Yes absolutely. I’ve been to these before and they’re brilliant. Just shit that I couldn’t go when it was in my own city. Hey, that’s the way it goes. Hope some of the folk on here will be able to join in also

Went to the pre-match gathering when we played Chicago Fire and Ian Taylor joined us in the bar. Up for another one next year particularly if it's a city I haven't been to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 23, 2022, 05:33:22 PM
with over a week until the window opens this is a fantastic start to the summer.

Another centre half and a stirker would be good and, if I'm being a bit greedy, I'd take another defensive midfielder to give us the option of going 4231 at times.

I'd consider Matic for that latter, he's clearly on the way down but for a tear whilst Bouba settles and Tim gets more experience he'd add a bit of leadership and aeriel presence in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Cropley10 on May 23, 2022, 06:20:08 PM
The players who for me should probably now go, fall into a few categories;
There are the players who have consistently shown they are just not up to it: Luiz (he must be brilliant at dead ball situations in training!), Nakamba (woeful), Traore ( brings nothing)
Those who have not improved and are a liability:  Mings (a major error every game)
Those out on loan we can hopefully get a few quid for: Davis,Trez, Targett, Hourihane,Guilbert and AEG
..and those that maybe we can get really good money for: Konsa (going backwards) , JMG (Sadly) and Ollie (even more sadly)

The whole Chukwuemeka will he/won't he saga has become annoying and i'm just not convinced about him ----Archer and Barry must surely come back in some form next season.
A top class DM , Centre back(s) and a striker are priorities for next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on May 23, 2022, 06:26:08 PM
The players who for me should probably now go, fall into a few categories;
There are the players who have consistently shown they are just not up to it: Luiz (he must be brilliant at dead ball situations in training!), Nakamba (woeful), Traore ( brings nothing)
Those who have not improved and are a liability:  Mings (a major error every game)
Those out on loan we can hopefully get a few quid for: Davis,Trez, Targett, Hourihane,Guilbert and AEG
..and those that maybe we can get really good money for: Konsa (going backwards) , JMG (Sadly) and Ollie (even more sadly)

The whole Chukwuemeka will he/won't he saga has become annoying and i'm just not convinced about him ----Archer and Barry must surely come back in some form next season.
A top class DM , Centre back(s) and a striker are priorities for next season.

Bailey is on borrowed time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 07:32:53 PM
Let's see how he is when he can go a couple of months injury-free before writing him off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 23, 2022, 08:00:47 PM
I think Tarkowski on another 'free' would be good business. Experience, leadership and a bloody good defender, what's not to like? Not really a gamble with no transfer fee to pay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2022, 08:04:28 PM
I think Tarkowski on another 'free' would be good business. Experience, leadership and a bloody good defender, what's not to like? Not really a gamble with no transfer fee to pay.

Absolutely agree. We are a better option than Eversham as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2022, 08:14:01 PM
Let's see how he is when he can go a couple of months injury-free before writing him off.

Indeed - if you went back in the Buendia thread I’m sure there were plenty of people saying he was hopeless and a waste of money. It can take time to settle - Bailey is new to the country and has had horrible luck with injuries. Hopefully he can settle into preseason and have much more stability - we shouldn’t be writing him off. He also has a key attribute that we generally lack, pace. He can be really important.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 08:27:08 PM
I’d love to see Tarkowski partner Mings and actually become captain. I think it would be a great pairing and take the pressure off Mings in the process.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 08:30:22 PM
Was it Tarkowski who made quite an impressive speech condemning the twats who flew an "All Lives Matter" banner over Turf Moor, or have I mixed him up with a different Burnley player?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 23, 2022, 08:32:42 PM
Was it Tarkowski who made quite an impressive speech condemning the twats who flew an "All Lives Matter" banner over Turf Moor, or have I mixed him up with a different Burnley player?
I think that was Ben Mee
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 08:36:44 PM
Oh bugger. I don't want to have to like Ben Mee. ☹️. Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 23, 2022, 09:32:15 PM
Watch his video nasties over again and you won't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 09:45:49 PM
I'm saving them for Halloween.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on May 23, 2022, 09:48:43 PM
well 2 internationals in before June breathes.  defecate the bed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 09:50:49 PM
We'll be releasing the new kit before the end of summer at this rate. Crazy times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 09:51:43 PM
If you believe whoever goes by AvAgent on Twitter who in fairness generally comes in late in the game rather than overly speculate on transfers, apparently the next deal isn’t far away. Mind you, that shouldn’t be a huge shock give we’ve seen we like to get our main business done early.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 09:52:24 PM
We'll be releasing the new kit before the end of summer at this rate. Crazy times.

Now you’re getting carried away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on May 23, 2022, 09:55:57 PM
Mind you, that shouldn’t be a huge shock give we’ve seen we like to get our main business done early.

That's an amazing sentence.

Tarkowski, Bissouma and the greatest underated striker available before the end of June please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 23, 2022, 10:31:37 PM
I think Tarkowski on another 'free' would be good business. Experience, leadership and a bloody good defender, what's not to like? Not really a gamble with no transfer fee to pay.

It's never 'free'...see Richards, Micah. Tarlowski is nowhere near good enough to play for us or any team that values playing out from the back or defending high up the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 10:32:11 PM
I like him. Would be an excellent signing IMO.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 23, 2022, 10:49:53 PM
If we sign Tarkowski hopefully that would also lead to another centre half incoming, he’s a very decent stopper but in order to play from back need a ball playing centre half alongside. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 10:50:37 PM
Mings. He bloody loves a rampage forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2022, 10:53:43 PM
If Newcastle offer £40 million for Mings, at 29, he will be gone won't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 23, 2022, 11:01:43 PM
I'd be pretty sad if he ended up at those scum.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 23, 2022, 11:08:21 PM
Can’t find it now but there was something linking us to Sven Botman, centre half from Lille.
Some top European teams and Newcastle were supposedly after him previously but the same was said of Kamara.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 23, 2022, 11:15:03 PM
If Newcastle offer £40 million for Mings, at 29, he will be gone won't he?

drive him there myself for that money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2022, 11:23:53 PM
If Newcastle offer £40 million for Mings, at 29, he will be gone won't he?

drive him there myself for that money.

Lovely bloke but that would be an amazing offer. I’d accept it. 

Tarkowski is a pure, out and out defender. He’d be a good acquisition for where we are at the moment. He’s better than some think and worth the chance. Rugged, no nonsense player. Not soft.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 23, 2022, 11:25:19 PM
Jonathan David is who we should be going for.

Hard to get no doubt, but I'd go all in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 11:25:53 PM
Jonathan David is who we should be going for.

Hard to get no doubt, but I'd go all in for him.

TV likes this
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 23, 2022, 11:27:22 PM
Jonathan David is who we should be going for.

Hard to get no doubt, but I'd go all in for him.

TV likes this

We have been linked iirc?   Not sure by who though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 23, 2022, 11:43:57 PM
Jonathan David is who we should be going for.

Hard to get no doubt, but I'd go all in for him.

TV likes this

We have been linked iirc?   Not sure by who though.

I’ve read it too but purely in speculative terms. Would love it to be true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2022, 07:33:15 AM
A minth or 2 back there was a story about the defenders who make the most mistakes,  Tarkowski was level with Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 24, 2022, 08:49:31 AM
I don't think we'll be in for Tarkowski. He's a decent enough defender, but doesn't strike me a being particularly suited to Gerrard's system, and isn't an upgrade on what we already have.

I could see us bringing in a defender, but think it'd be more likely to be a big upgrade on Konsa, or a player to replace Hause - and I'm not sure Tarkowski is either of those.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 24, 2022, 09:32:47 AM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 24, 2022, 09:37:56 AM
I don't think we'll be in for Tarkowski. He's a decent enough defender, but doesn't strike me a being particularly suited to Gerrard's system, and isn't an upgrade on what we already have.

I could see us bringing in a defender, but think it'd be more likely to be a big upgrade on Konsa, or a player to replace Hause - and I'm not sure Tarkowski is either of those.

Joe Gomez has been linked for a long time now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2022, 09:39:03 AM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper

That's not the worst idea I've heard although I thought Olsen did ok overall against Man City (second goal apart which he probably should have saved).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 09:40:47 AM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper

That's not the worst idea I've heard although I thought Olsen did ok overall against Man City (second goal apart which he probably should have saved).

Olsen is only on loan though, but I'd guess at Johnstone would want to go somewhere and be no.1.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 09:41:06 AM
I don't think we'll be in for Tarkowski. He's a decent enough defender, but doesn't strike me a being particularly suited to Gerrard's system, and isn't an upgrade on what we already have.

I could see us bringing in a defender, but think it'd be more likely to be a big upgrade on Konsa, or a player to replace Hause - and I'm not sure Tarkowski is either of those.

Joe Gomez has been linked for a long time now.

Maybe we're going 3 at the back. ...😉
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 09:41:37 AM
A 3 1 4 2 formation....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2022, 11:07:00 AM
I don't think we'll be in for Tarkowski. He's a decent enough defender, but doesn't strike me a being particularly suited to Gerrard's system, and isn't an upgrade on what we already have.

I could see us bringing in a defender, but think it'd be more likely to be a big upgrade on Konsa, or a player to replace Hause - and I'm not sure Tarkowski is either of those.

Joe Gomez has been linked for a long time now.

Maybe we're going 3 at the back. ...😉

Woah there! Let's not fall out. ☹️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 24, 2022, 11:12:13 AM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper

That's not the worst idea I've heard although I thought Olsen did ok overall against Man City (second goal apart which he probably should have saved).

Olsen is only on loan though, but I'd guess at Johnstone would want to go somewhere and be no.1.

Perhaps, but then I'd have thought the same about Tom Heaton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 11:23:54 AM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper

That's not the worst idea I've heard although I thought Olsen did ok overall against Man City (second goal apart which he probably should have saved).

Olsen is only on loan though, but I'd guess at Johnstone would want to go somewhere and be no.1.

Perhaps, but then I'd have thought the same about Tom Heaton.

Heaton was in his mid-thirties though, Johnstone is only 29.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 24, 2022, 12:06:46 PM
I think Tarkowski on another 'free' would be good business. Experience, leadership and a bloody good defender, what's not to like? Not really a gamble with no transfer fee to pay.

We need a ball playing centre half, One that can distribute the ball and has a bit of composure on it
The most frustrating part of our play has been our centre halves fucking around at the back with no idea what to do with the ball that’s turned into a boiling hot potato

I don’t know that much about the fella from Burnley but he Plays for Burnley so I’m not sure he will make the fit
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 12:16:38 PM
Might make us more of a threat at set pices though, he seemed to bundle the ball home for Burnley a lot more than he ever probably actually did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 24, 2022, 12:20:40 PM
It's a good point.  I can't remember the last time we bundled the ball into the net.  if we can get someone good at it all well and good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 24, 2022, 12:21:50 PM
I dont like his ears.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 24, 2022, 12:28:20 PM
I dont like his ears.

Best reason yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 24, 2022, 01:23:06 PM
A modern day Martin Laursen, or dare I say it, Paul McGrath would do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2022, 01:44:02 PM
I'd be looking for someone who is 20-23, with the best part of 100 appearances in a top flight european league and either a full international or at least on the brink of a call-up. (i.e. almost exactly the same profile as Kamara).

On that basis, and with no knowledge of the players beyond google and youtube I'd be looking at:

Maxence Lecroix at Wolfsberg
Morato at Benfica
Oumar Solet at RB Salzberg
Joško Gvardiol at RB Leibzig
William Saliba at Arsenal

People who've seen any of them play more than 5-10minutes on youtube might well disagree with some of these, and that's fair, but this is the market I'd like us to be in for a centre back rather than someone like Tarkowski, who to me is no better than what we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 01:46:35 PM
I'd be looking for someone who is 20-23, with the best part of 100 appearances in a top flight european league and either a full international or at least on the brink of a call-up. (i.e. almost exactly the same profile as Kamara).

On that basis, and with no knowledge of the players beyond google and youtube I'd be looking at:

Maxence Lecroix at Wolfsberg
Morato at Benfica
Oumar Solet at RB Salzberg
Joško Gvardiol at RB Leibzig
William Saliba at Arsenal

People who've seen any of them play more than 5-10minutes on youtube might well disagree with some of these, and that's fair, but this is the market I'd like us to be in for a centre back rather than someone like Tarkowski, who to me is no better than what we have.

Saw us linked a few weeks back to Victor Nelson, Danish defender at Galatasaray. At 23, he fits that profile.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 24, 2022, 01:54:36 PM
I'd be looking for someone who is 20-23, with the best part of 100 appearances in a top flight european league and either a full international or at least on the brink of a call-up. (i.e. almost exactly the same profile as Kamara).

On that basis, and with no knowledge of the players beyond google and youtube I'd be looking at:

Maxence Lecroix at Wolfsberg
Morato at Benfica
Oumar Solet at RB Salzberg
Joško Gvardiol at RB Leibzig
William Saliba at Arsenal

People who've seen any of them play more than 5-10minutes on youtube might well disagree with some of these, and that's fair, but this is the market I'd like us to be in for a centre back rather than someone like Tarkowski, who to me is no better than what we have.

Saw us linked a few weeks back to Victor Nelson, Danish defender at Galatasaray. At 23, he fits that profile.

Yeah, I found a lot more but the ones I named looked like the best of the bunch (ignoring a few players who are already at top CL sides, have already agreed transfers or seem destined to go somewhere else).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 24, 2022, 02:04:22 PM
With Spurs signing Fraser Forster from Southampton we should look at Sam Johnstone who is available as a free transfer as our back up keeper

That's not the worst idea I've heard although I thought Olsen did ok overall against Man City (second goal apart which he probably should have saved).

If we signed both and solved the major third keeper conundrum that has been plaguing us, Bedrock City would be a happy place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 24, 2022, 02:53:12 PM
I think Tarkowski on another 'free' would be good business. Experience, leadership and a bloody good defender, what's not to like? Not really a gamble with no transfer fee to pay.

We need a ball playing centre half, One that can distribute the ball and has a bit of composure on it
The most frustrating part of our play has been our centre halves fucking around at the back with no idea what to do with the ball that’s turned into a boiling hot potato

I don’t know that much about the fella from Burnley but he Plays for Burnley so I’m not sure he will make the fit
Exactly this!  Hopefully we’ve solved part of that issue with a DM who will give the CBs an option to pass to but if you are going to have a Mings type who attacks every ball you need a partner who is comfortable on the ball.

With a couple of centre halves who can carry the ball forward I have no issue sometimes playing 3 at the back - Cash & Digne would be good wing backs
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 24, 2022, 03:36:21 PM
What about French central defender Clement Lenglet at Barca ? Was all the rage a couple of seasons back and it just hasn't happened for him at the Camp Nou. Shouldn't be expensive, but given Barca's finances may be another opportunity for an extreme bargain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 24, 2022, 04:19:24 PM
I want Tarkowski because I just want to hear Jack Woodward ask him “well James, you’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that make you feel?”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on May 24, 2022, 04:56:19 PM
I want Tarkowski because I just want to hear Jack Woodward ask him “well James, you’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that make you feel?”
More like ‘how excited are you……….’
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 24, 2022, 05:23:45 PM
I want Tarkowski because I just want to hear Jack Woodward ask him “well James, you’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that make you feel?”
More like ‘how excited are you……….’

That’s online bullying, leave our Jack alone 😉
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2022, 05:25:44 PM
I want Tarkowski because I just want to hear Jack Woodward ask him “well James, you’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that make you feel?”
More like ‘how excited are you……….’

That’s online bullying, leave our Jack alone 😉

He's not just 'our Jack" anymore, as regular viewers of the EFL round up on Quest will know.

The slag.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 24, 2022, 05:28:09 PM
I want Tarkowski because I just want to hear Jack Woodward ask him “well James, you’ve swapped the claret and blue of Burnley for the claret and blue of Aston Villa. How does that make you feel?”
More like ‘how excited are you……….’

That’s online bullying, leave our Jack alone 😉

He's not just 'our Jack" anymore, as regular viewers of the EFL round up on Quest will know.

The slag.

Blimey, didn’t know that.
Stand corrected
Carry on guys 😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 05:37:19 PM
That’s online bullying, leave our Jack alone 😉

He's not just 'our Jack" anymore, as regular viewers of the EFL round up on Quest will know.

The slag.

Blimey, didn’t know that.
Stand corrected
Carry on guys 😂

Blimey, Citeh have been relegated, didn’t know that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 07:33:38 PM
Given the way we've been doing business recently does anyone else have a sneaking suspicion that someone like Bissouma might be signed early and all of a sudden too, with miffed fans of Spurs, Arsenal, WHam, Newcastle saying "we didn't want him anyway"?
https://www.90min.com/posts/aston-villa-yves-bissouma-transfer-brighton-boubacar-kamara
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2022, 07:54:28 PM
Has he been cleared of being a sex offender yet? I already nearly had to give up supporting one team because of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 24, 2022, 07:58:19 PM
Has he been cleared of being a sex offender yet? I already nearly had to give up supporting one team because of that.

Extended again:

"Today (Wednesday 6 April) Sussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Monday 6 June.

“A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault, has been released under investigation while inquiries continue."

So his older mate still looks to have the more serious situation, as he's still on bail, while Bissouma is "under investigation."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 24, 2022, 07:59:12 PM
Thanks. Unless they're pretty certain he won't be charged, it doesn't sit well with me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 08:01:42 PM
So his older mate still looks to have the more serious situation, as he's still on bail, while Bissouma is "under investigation."

I don't think we need to be overly worried that there won't be due diligence done at B6 so I'd be pretty comfortable with their decision on this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 24, 2022, 08:33:42 PM
That’s online bullying, leave our Jack alone 😉

He's not just 'our Jack" anymore, as regular viewers of the EFL round up on Quest will know.

The slag.

Blimey, didn’t know that.
Stand corrected
Carry on guys 😂

Blimey, Citeh have been relegated, didn’t know that.

Eh?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 08:39:11 PM
Blimey, Citeh have been relegated, didn’t know that.

Eh?

"Our Jack", "the slag", "EFL on Quest".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 24, 2022, 09:19:29 PM
This is a thread not yet mentioning Man City reserves. 'Jack' is the commentator Mr Woodward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 09:22:47 PM
This is a thread not yet mentioning Man City reserves. 'Jack' is the commentator Mr Woodward.

Yes, we know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on May 24, 2022, 09:25:51 PM
This is a thread not yet mentioning Man City reserves. 'Jack' is the commentator Mr Woodward.

Yes, we know.
Sorry misunderstood the tone😳
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 24, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
This is a thread not yet mentioning Man City reserves. 'Jack' is the commentator Mr Woodward.

Yes, we know.

Sorry misunderstood the tone😳

No worries, I was probably being a bit obtuse and most of the stuff on this thread over the summer will be wrong anyway. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 24, 2022, 10:26:27 PM
Nice to hear Jack W got a promotion. Is EFL Quest on Channel 5? Kind of apt that he's reached a career pinnacle at a second-rate tv channel. He'll probably be dying to meet Dan Walker once he moves over from the Beeb.

Two Woodward/Partridge Pravda moments, you'd think were made-up but were actually filmed for supporters' consumption:

1) Jack, in the bath with some plastic rubber ducks, pretending that they're Villa players and commentating accordingly...you just can't un-see something like that
2) Woodward singing a Christmas hymn acappella while Ashley Young, Gabby etc. tried to hold back laughter in the background
3) He must have been laid-off after we got relegated. He returned to the club a couple of years ago and the OS had a little video of him - a "Jack's Back" kinda vibe, complete with cheesy footage of Woodward seen looking towards Villa Park, drinking-in as many memories of the old place as he could.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 24, 2022, 10:31:08 PM
Has he been cleared of being a sex offender yet? I already nearly had to give up supporting one team because of that.

Extended again:

"Today (Wednesday 6 April) Sussex Police said: “A man in his forties from Brighton who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault has had his conditional bail extended until Monday 6 June.

“A man in his twenties, also from Brighton, who was arrested on suspicion of sexual assault, has been released under investigation while inquiries continue."

So his older mate still looks to have the more serious situation, as he's still on bail, while Bissouma is "under investigation."

Blimey, sounds like Bissouma was groomed!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2022, 11:54:44 PM
If we can get Bissouma, legal clearance permitting, the player alongside Kamara completely changes the way we play. We go from a pretty poor midfield to a top 6 one in my opinion, that should be able to help keep us on the front foot. Buendia and Coutinho would love it.

Man City are apparently going after Kalvin Phillips. He looked horribly slow for Leeds at the end of last season but that may just be coming back from injury. Would be another English player bought for a quota to weaken the opposition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 24, 2022, 11:57:37 PM
villareport
@villareport
Breaking: Aston Villa have offered James Tarkowski a contract worth around £120k a week, with the defender weighing up the offer.

[@TomCollomosse/@AdrianJKajumba] #avfc

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 25, 2022, 12:54:58 AM
villareport
@villareport
Breaking: Aston Villa have offered James Tarkowski a contract worth around £120k a week, with the defender weighing up the offer.

[@TomCollomosse/@AdrianJKajumba] #avfc

Interesting. Wonder how that wage figure has got out. Think it’s less likely to be Villa. Perhaps looking to leverage other offers.

As a transfer, I get that being on a free obviously means he can command more in wages as there’s no fee. So for FFP that’s what, over £6m a season, so over £30m on a 5 year contract, assuming we don’t sell? On the face of it seems a lot for a player who turns 30 this year and who has only been capped by England twice (both in 2018). Whilst he’s good in duels, is not fantastic in terms of distribution and has never won anything. Not sure about how this progresses us if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 25, 2022, 01:12:19 AM
Aye. Two years ago after just staying up you could make a case for needing more topflight nous and doing this sort of deal.

But I don't think he's a whole pile better than what we have currently on the books. In isolation, paying that sort of wage sans fee might look a good deal.  It isn't such a good deal when 5 or 6 of your established first teamers get onto their agent and want at least parity.

Is he the sort of winner who would have helped us tough it out on Sunday - and all the other times this season when we've rolled over and had our tummy tickled?  Doubtful.

It's a no from me Clive.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2022, 01:53:32 AM
If true, it almost certainly means Hause is out the door possibly with one of Mings/Konsa to follow. We'll then need a ball-playing central defender under 28 to be first choice with JT (Terry is  now usurped).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on May 25, 2022, 06:34:26 AM
saw Roma interested in Douglas
Buy him a ticket  and improvement to come in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 25, 2022, 07:20:38 AM
If we sign Tarkowski he could be our new captain - it seems as though the £120k a week is now the average weekly pay in the premier league
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2022, 08:02:55 AM
Not sure on this, I don't see him as an upgrade on Mings or Konsa - but also pretty similar.

I was expecting us to sign a "cultured" center back, and whilst I dont think he is a bad player I think he is the same as the two we have - i.e. a good defender that find it difficult to play out from the back.

As a right footed player, Im assuming hes competition for Konsa, and Callum - and if this comes off, to me it would suggest that Konsa could well be off. 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 25, 2022, 08:06:26 AM
It wouldn’t surprise me if he’s to partner Mings. He’s had a good season and been far better than Konsa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2022, 08:11:28 AM
actually to be honest I am just assuming he cant play out from the back - but hes passing stats look ok
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 08:17:06 AM
He is probably told not to at Hoof Moor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 25, 2022, 08:27:09 AM
saw Roma interested in Douglas
Buy him a ticket  and improvement to come in
I wouldn't mind him going to Roma because if he does become really good, at least we won't have it rammed down our throat on MOTD every week!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on May 25, 2022, 08:43:19 AM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 25, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma
Yeah to be fair that is 100% where my idea came from
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 25, 2022, 08:47:29 AM
I'd keep Dougie for another season, personally.  Think a midfield consisting of 4 or 5 from Kamara, Bissouma*, McGinn, Luiz, Ramsey, Coutinho, and Buendia could be pretty potent.


* or a different defensive midfielder type
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2022, 08:53:34 AM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 25, 2022, 08:54:05 AM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma

We need more goals from the Centre Halves at set pieces and he is very good in the air and looked dangerous v us last week
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 08:58:10 AM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma

In our game at West Ham I was giving Dawson loads for being a donkey (I rate him actually but you know), right up to the point he smashed a 60 yard crossfiled ball onto Benrahma's toe in the build up to their first goal
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on May 25, 2022, 09:18:12 AM
don't know if anyones posted this on Tarkowski but inevitably makes him look good. I think he could at least play it to one of our players but I wouldn't expect cross field worldies. I'm not sure 120k a week on a defender is good value for money in the points department. Maybe in the 1 goal losses, but that does seem a lot to me. I await a striker - get a good one of those and I think we're in with a chance of Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2022, 09:22:42 AM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 09:27:27 AM
We appear, on the surface at least, to not be preturbed with fucking about this summer.

I still find this a difficult concept to comprehend as a Villa fan. At least there's no sign of the new shirts yet which is comforting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 25, 2022, 09:28:44 AM
We appear, on the surface at least, to not be preturbed with fucking about this summer.

I still find this a difficult concept to comprehend as a Villa fan. At least there's no sign of the new shirts yet which is comforting.


yep dont like too much change  :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 25, 2022, 09:33:01 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 25, 2022, 09:34:14 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.

Make it happen. Two problems solved.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on May 25, 2022, 09:34:19 AM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.
Mings and Carlos at the back would be indeed be impressive
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on May 25, 2022, 09:38:26 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.
That would mean Dougie probably leaving and possibly swapping in 2 DMs against the 'bigger teams' or to close a game out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 25, 2022, 09:44:16 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.
That would mean Dougie probably leaving and possibly swapping in 2 DMs against the 'bigger teams' or to close a game out.
I see Kamara as a sitting defensive mid and Bissouma as box to box so probably both first choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 25, 2022, 10:20:48 AM
Tarkowski offered £120k a week according to some sources. That sounds a lot but no transfer fee so I guess it all evens out in the end.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on May 25, 2022, 10:50:49 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.

Make it happen. Two problems solved.
Without wishing to sound like a stalker I found out a few weeks ago that Danny Ings moved in about a mile from me when he joined us. Based on what he's paid and what he's done to the place externally at least since, I don't think another move was in his plans. I guess a change of manager can cause those plans to be revised of course but I see him as wanting to be here for the long haul.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2022, 11:10:08 AM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.

I did wonder about him. Newcastle were in for him in January and he was thinking about leaving but Sevilla kept rejecting bids.

Now Newcastle moved on to other targets so he's likely available and vastly experienced.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 25, 2022, 11:34:41 AM
Brighton want Ings?

We want Bissouma?

Shouldn't be too difficult.

Make it happen. Two problems solved.

It would sound like a good deal if only Bissouma didn't still have outstanding sexual assault case against him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2022, 11:39:57 AM
I would go in and offer £50m + Douglas Luiz in exchange for Tammy Abraham. Big mistake not getting it done last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2022, 11:42:07 AM
I would go in and offer £50m + Douglas Luiz in exchange for Tammy Abraham. Big mistake not getting it done last summer.

That’s a hefty total financial offer there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 11:42:08 AM
That would be a worse deal than paying £100 million for Grealish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2022, 11:45:30 AM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma

We need more goals from the Centre Halves at set pieces and he is very good in the air and looked dangerous v us last week
He was being marked by Buendia tbf.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 25, 2022, 11:45:43 AM
I would go in and offer £50m + Douglas Luiz in exchange for Tammy Abraham. Big mistake not getting it done last summer.

That’s a hefty total financial offer there.

Signing Kamara and hypothetically, if we did bring Burnley's JT in on a free then we're going to be in a position to smash the transfer record where we think it's warranted. It would certainly make the footballing world stand up and take notice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 25, 2022, 11:53:44 AM
16 year old striker Rory Wilson has left Rangers and said to be likely signing for us.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/steven-gerrard-villa-rangers-transfer-27058755
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 25, 2022, 11:53:50 AM
Also set to sign 16 year old Hearts 'starlet' Ewan Simpson for 250k.
https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/sport/hearts-starlet-ewan-simpson-set-24054733
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 25, 2022, 11:57:23 AM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2022, 12:00:39 PM
Tarkawski is decent in a no nonsense stopper type way.  You don't need all your defenders to have Cruyff type ability on the ball, so long as he can find a teammate.  He would be a decent option although I would have preferred a bit more pace I think.

£120k pw is crazy, but if part of it is framed as a signing on fee then hopefully it won't break the wage structure.  What would he be worth if for sale under contract - £20-£25m?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 12:01:44 PM
I don't think Abraham would make the world sit up and take notice. Not convinced he is better than what we already have. I want a megastar up front please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 25, 2022, 12:05:05 PM
I don't think Abraham would make the world sit up and take notice. Not convinced he is better than what we already have. I want a megastar up front please.
I like Tammy but I can't see him leaving Roma at the moment anyway.  We misseed our chance last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2022, 12:39:40 PM
I would go in and offer £50m + Douglas Luiz in exchange for Tammy Abraham. Big mistake not getting it done last summer.

That’s a hefty total financial offer there.

Signing Kamara and hypothetically, if we did bring Burnley's JT in on a free then we're going to be in a position to smash the transfer record where we think it's warranted. It would certainly make the footballing world stand up and take notice.

No doubt - I just don’t think Tammy would be who I would be targeting if that’s the case. £50m + Doug would be bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2022, 12:50:55 PM
Doesn't Luiz only have a year left on his contract? That will limit sale value.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 25, 2022, 12:56:50 PM
Tarkawski is decent in a no nonsense stopper type way.  You don't need all your defenders to have Cruyff type ability on the ball, so long as he can find a teammate.  He would be a decent option although I would have preferred a bit more pace I think.

£120k pw is crazy, but if part of it is framed as a signing on fee then hopefully it won't break the wage structure.  What would he be worth if for sale under contract - £20-£25m?
I think that's the way to look at it.  £120k/week is £6m a year -- over 4 years, that's £24m, which in the grand scheme of things is only about what you'd paid as a transfer fee (without wages) for a player like him.  Structure the payments sensibly, and it still works out pretty cheap.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 01:13:39 PM
I don't think Abraham would make the world sit up and take notice. Not convinced he is better than what we already have. I want a megastar up front please.
I like Tammy but I can't see him leaving Roma at the moment anyway.  We misseed our chance last summer.

I'd go for Dolly Parton then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 01:25:27 PM
Not sure, not many teams play with a big two up front nowadays. Also, her hours might make her unavailable for evening games.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 01:38:42 PM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.

What we appear be doing is a little like Juventus, who for many years signed free transfers for top players. The wages would be high but not immediate outlay on transfers. We can’t rely on that of course, and bringing in excellent young players from our academy is clearly important for us. But you put a Diego Costa in those side, even last season think how many more chances we’d have converted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 25, 2022, 01:45:21 PM
Not sure, not many teams play with a big two up front nowadays. Also, her hours might make her unavailable for evening games.
Wouldn't help the average squad age profile either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2022, 01:55:28 PM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.

What we appear be doing is a little like Juventus, who for many years signed free transfers for top players. The wages would be high but not immediate outlay on transfers.

Given that strategy is basically what has screwed Juventus, let's hope we're doing it a little better than them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2022, 02:15:01 PM
If that's the way we go I'd rather we make a big signing on fee and keep the wages lower if possible. That way we're not creating a new bomb squad of players on high wages that we can't move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on May 25, 2022, 02:44:25 PM
The difference with Tarkowski is that he seems to both read the game well and has a good attention span. It is where he seems better than Konsa and Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 25, 2022, 03:19:04 PM
As a % of a market-value transfer, how much are these signing-on fees for Coutinho and Tarkowski? Up to 20-25% seems what is speculated. A nice pay-day for player and agent but you'd probably stomach it as the club paying it. Mbappe's is a lot closer to his actual worth, which is obscene.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 03:26:49 PM
Diego Carlos of Sevilla being linked in the Athletic.

That would be a proper upgrade. 29, so not a long-term option but if that's the market we're shopping in then it's very impressive.

What we appear be doing is a little like Juventus, who for many years signed free transfers for top players. The wages would be high but not immediate outlay on transfers.

Given that strategy is basically what has screwed Juventus, let's hope we're doing it a little better than them.

That’s why it has to be balanced and not put all our eggs in one basket approach. Signing players intelligently as we have done with Coutinho and now Kamara, along with developing our own is how we should proceed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 25, 2022, 04:04:19 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2022, 04:49:57 PM
I love it when we "step up" our interest. I'm sure it will cause Rangers to "brace themselves".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on May 25, 2022, 05:30:51 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final

If we do sign Bassey, it’ll show the rest of the league that we’re real big spenders
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 25, 2022, 05:31:59 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final

If we do sign Bassey, it’ll show the rest of the league that we’re real big spenders

And a permanent tactical shift, now diamonds are forever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on May 25, 2022, 06:40:42 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final

If we do sign Bassey, it’ll show the rest of the league that we’re real big spenders

reminded me of Micah Richard’s using his pace to get him out of trouble. Looked like the best of a bad bunch, potential but far from a 1st team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2022, 07:09:04 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final

If we do sign Bassey, it’ll show the rest of the league that we’re real big spenders

And a permanent tactical shift, now diamonds are forever

I bet he'd love to move south and play in Goldfingerlund.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 25, 2022, 07:18:08 PM
Also said to be closing in on Rangers defender Calvin Bassey. Would make sense given he's a left-sided CB who can play at (act as cover for) left back. Haven't seen much of him but he looked good in the Europa League and Scottish Cup finals and a big unit.
https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/20163841.aston-villa-closing-in-deal-rangers-defender-calvin-bassey/


I was impressed by him in the Europa Final

If we do sign Bassey, it’ll show the rest of the league that we’re real big spenders

And a permanent tactical shift, now diamonds are forever

I bet he'd love to move south and play in Goldfingerlund.
Talented players coming from Scotland to establish Villa as the preeminent team of the era ... feels like a little bit of history repeating.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2022, 08:28:21 PM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma

The flip side of the “Burnley told him not to pass it” argument is that Burnley also played a solid 442 so he was also very well protected by the midfield in front of him compared to most teams.

Not against it, if Gerrard is certain he is an upgrade, but its a lot of money for a squad player.  I’d stick with what we have in defence and look to upgrade next summer.  Basically spend the same but spread across less players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 25, 2022, 08:38:14 PM
When looking at Tarkowski I am minded to think of the impact Craig Dawson has had on West Ham. On the face of it nothing special but very solid lots of nous and scores the odd goal. If he can't pass out from the back (which everyone has assumed because that wasn't the way Burnley played - it may be he is more than capable) he'd be fine as long as he can pass it 15 yards to Kamara or Bissouma

The flip side of the “Burnley told him not to pass it” argument is that Burnley also played a solid 442 so he was also very well protected by the midfield in front of him compared to most teams.

Not against it, if Gerrard is certain he is an upgrade, but its a lot of money for a squad player.  I’d stick with what we have in defence and look to upgrade next summer.  Basically spend the same but spread across less players.

I dont think we can stick to what we have at centre back, Konsa is out injured for who knows how long and as much as ive thought an awful lot of Konsa, he was woefully out of form for much of the second half of the season. I feel sentimental about Hause as i do with all the players that helped to get us promoted, but he’s not going to help us move on from mid table. That leaves us with Mings and Chambers going into the season.

I think Gerrard  would be culpable if he left us in that position.
I dont know if Tarkowski is the answer, seems a solid defender, but doesnt seem a ball playing cb, maybe we’re looking at him and another if Hause moves on and Konsa is sidelined.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 25, 2022, 08:43:38 PM
I admit, I’d completely forgotten Konsa was injured but isn’t that why we signed Chambers.  With the World Cup Konsa shouldn’t miss too many games.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 25, 2022, 11:43:28 PM
Konsa is out til end of August I thought,possibly earlier.

Anyway, newest link is Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 11:45:14 PM
Hell, no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 25, 2022, 11:46:23 PM
Hell, no.

If fit, I think he'd be an excellent addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 25, 2022, 11:49:46 PM
He wouldn't be, and he wouldn't be. He isn't even my favourite AOC.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 25, 2022, 11:54:26 PM
Would find Oxygen-Chamber a bit of a strange one for the two variations of formation we’ve seen from Gerrard thus far. He can be defensively naive which would rule out an 8 position and I certainly wouldn’t think he was a 10 or wide attacking player any more. He’s also 29 in August although he’s played more than I thought over the past two seasons, clocking in 46 games in all comps. Plus hefty wages. It would be a no from me, Clive.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 26, 2022, 12:08:43 AM
He isn't even my favourite AOC.

Nor mine, tbf.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2022, 01:06:37 AM
I don't think Abraham would make the world sit up and take notice. Not convinced he is better than what we already have. I want a megastar up front please.

Pretty much every football team in the world wants one of those!!  Not sure we are in a position to attract a real top drawer striker at the moment given the paucity of them. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on May 26, 2022, 06:46:38 AM
No to the Ox
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 26, 2022, 07:53:18 AM
If we land half of the names we're being linked with and spend half the money on fees and wages that is being suggested, I would hope we would not be flirting with relegation next season.

Challenging for Europe or bust.

The Manager, DOF and Chief Exec won't be getting any doggy's chances after this window. Make or break.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 26, 2022, 09:42:57 AM
If we land half of the names we're being linked with and spend half the money on fees and wages that is being suggested, I would hope we would not be flirting with relegation next season.

Challenging for Europe or bust.

The Manager, DOF and Chief Exec won't be getting any doggy's chances after this window. Make or break.
If we buy every player we've been linked with then we'll win the league by default as no other side will be able to field 11 players since we'll have bought them all.


Ox - it's a "no" from me too, although going by the link it sounded more like Liverpool wanted to sell him rather than we had any particular interest in buying him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 26, 2022, 09:47:23 AM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on May 26, 2022, 09:49:31 AM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.

Into that stage of life where all the players sound like they've been generated by Football Manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 26, 2022, 09:56:58 AM
Defender apparently. I dont want Brazilian defenders, I want Brazilian attackers, and loads of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2022, 10:46:24 AM
Defender apparently. I dont want Brazilian defenders, I want Brazilian attackers, and loads of them.

More Wesleys than Thiago Silvas then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on May 26, 2022, 11:10:34 AM
Trouble is agents will be out and about spreading rumours, we have no input but I trust the owners for once.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2022, 11:17:09 AM
Marca suggesting that Sevilla really want to keep Kounde of their two centre-backs, but need cash so are keen to move Diego Carlos on so they don't have to cash in on Kounde.

His release clause is £75m though, so you'd think they're taking a pretty massive hit on that if he is coming to us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 26, 2022, 11:51:46 AM
John Percy just tweeted that QPR have approached Villa with a view to appointing Michael Beale as manager. I’d be pissed off if I were Purslow, getting Gerrard and his management team in, just to see his assistant manager fuck off 6 months later.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 11:54:11 AM
If an assistant wants to leave to get a proper manager's job, good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2022, 11:56:14 AM
Didn't work out too well for Peter Taylor, best if he stays.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 26, 2022, 12:00:20 PM
If an assistant wants to leave to get a proper manager's job, good luck to him.

I think we could do without the upheaval to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 26, 2022, 12:15:34 PM
1/1 odds. That pretty much confirms his departure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 26, 2022, 12:19:32 PM
Move Gary Mac up to assistant or get someone else in?

Beale's the brains on the training ground by all accounts so that would worry me a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 12:19:53 PM
If an assistant wants to leave to get a proper manager's job, good luck to him.

I think we could do without the upheaval to be honest.

Maybe, but no club should stand in the way of an assistant manager in such circumstances. Anyway, it's only May.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2022, 12:21:07 PM
Last season started so well losing 2 coaches and Beale was supposed to be the one with the tactical nous.

On a positive note, there's reports saying we're still in for Bissouma. His price is down to £30m now he's going into his last year of his contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 26, 2022, 12:21:48 PM
If he's that important we should show Gerrard the door and give Beale the job.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 26, 2022, 12:28:14 PM
I think he is a boyhood QPR fan too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 01:22:15 PM
If he's that important we should show Gerrard the door and give Beale the job.
What a daft post.  You don't see there being any value in them working as a team?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 01:26:38 PM
We don't seem to be short of coaching staff, anyway. When we won the first four games of Smith's second season in the Prem, quite a few people said it was down to Shakespeare's influence as assistant head coach. Then when things went a bit south, this was also his fault. I'm not sure that assistants are THAT important or difficult to replace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 01:27:59 PM
I confess I'd never heard of him before today. I thought McAllister was the assistant manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 01:39:45 PM
I confess I'd never heard of him before today. I thought McAllister was the assistant manager.
There was an awful lot of stuff written about him at the time of the appointment.  I think if you had seen it you might understand the issue.  Beale is very highly regarded in the game.  Even Gerrard was quoted as saying somehting like Beale knows far more than he does so he lets him get on with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 01:41:45 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on May 26, 2022, 01:45:54 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.

Anyone leaving in any capacity the issue is surely how they are replaced. In this case it appears that Gerrard trusted him which is obviously important and that’s not going to automatically follow with a new coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gary Penrice on May 26, 2022, 01:48:49 PM
Beale would be a huge loss in my opinion. Hoping that the bookies are wrong this time!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 26, 2022, 01:51:59 PM
Gerrard has an army of coaches. Surely the others will have picked up some of Beale's knowledge and coaching skills.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 01:56:22 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.
What part of losing a very valuable cog in the team don't you understand?  Of course the timing is as good as it can be, but that doesn't mean we're not losing an incredibly important member of the team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56298826

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/michael-beale-rangers-steven-gerrard/

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 26, 2022, 01:56:25 PM
This Diego Carlos one seems to be gathering momentum.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2022, 01:58:24 PM
We'll definitely find out what Gerrard is made of if he goes.

Didier Six is out of work... So is Mark Delaney...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 02:00:49 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.
What part of losing a very valuable cog in the team don't you understand?  Of course the timing is as good as it can be, but that doesn't mean we're not losing an incredibly important member of the team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56298826

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/michael-beale-rangers-steven-gerrard/

I understand it, thanks. I'm just not as upset that something that happens all the time might happen. Assistant managers leave sometimes. The club will probably still, just about, carry on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 02:02:47 PM
Well, if Gerrard can attract the likes of Coutinho to join the playing staff, if Beale does leave I wouldn't put it past him to be able to find an excellent assistant as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 26, 2022, 02:08:25 PM
If he's that important we should show Gerrard the door and give Beale the job.
What a daft post.  You don't see there being any value in them working as a team?

It is a daft post. But I honestly have no idea what Beale does or doesn't do.
I just don't subscribe to the idea that Gerrard will be all at sea without him.

He might even bring in somebody better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 26, 2022, 02:15:19 PM
This Diego Carlos one seems to be gathering momentum.

Diego Carlos to Aston Villa is ‘rapidly progressing’, with the players agent meeting with Sevilla officials to make a ‘firm offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 02:27:43 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.
What part of losing a very valuable cog in the team don't you understand?  Of course the timing is as good as it can be, but that doesn't mean we're not losing an incredibly important member of the team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56298826

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/michael-beale-rangers-steven-gerrard/

I understand it, thanks. I'm just not as upset that something that happens all the time might happen. Assistant managers leave sometimes. The club will probably still, just about, carry on.
But you've said you had know idea who he was.  He's the coach and seemingly the brains behind the whole philosophy of how we play.

Of course the club would 'just about carry on,' as it would if we sold all our best players.  It may, however, not carry on as successfully as we hoped in the short term.  It's not about bed wetting etc, but he's clearly a very important part of the set up.  Losing him would undoubtedly be a blow just as we were hoping to go into a period of growth and improvement.  Yes we'll replace him, but I'd guess replacing what he brings to Gerrards team isn't as easy as going out and getting a back up fullback.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 26, 2022, 02:39:48 PM
I expect McCallister will step up to the assistant manager role, which he has done before and is experienced at. No doubt another coach will come in as well.

I think we have too many coaches at the moment anyway, as a few are still here from before Gerrard came, and we layered a whole team on top of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 26, 2022, 02:40:39 PM
I still don't see the issue. Unless you're appointing some bloke in his 60s/70s, you have to accept that assistant managers will sometimes leave to pursue management jobs. If it is going to happen, end of May when there are no matches or even training sessions seems as good a time as any.
What part of losing a very valuable cog in the team don't you understand?  Of course the timing is as good as it can be, but that doesn't mean we're not losing an incredibly important member of the team.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/56298826

https://www.coachesvoice.com/cv/michael-beale-rangers-steven-gerrard/

I understand it, thanks. I'm just not as upset that something that happens all the time might happen. Assistant managers leave sometimes. The club will probably still, just about, carry on.
But you've said you had know idea who he was.  He's the coach and seemingly the brains behind the whole philosophy of how we play.

Of course the club would 'just about carry on,' as it would if we sold all our best players.  It may, however, not carry on as successfully as we hoped in the short term.  It's not about bed wetting etc, but he's clearly a very important part of the set up.  Losing him would undoubtedly be a blow just as we were hoping to go into a period of growth and improvement.  Yes we'll replace him, but I'd guess replacing what he brings to Gerrards team isn't as easy as going out and getting a back up fullback.

Have you seen the way we play?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 02:45:34 PM
Fair point!

I just feel it would be a bit more than losing a 'bibs and cones' man.  I read a fair bit about Beale when they first joined and he's impressive.  I think after Gerrard he is the most important person in our backroom team and it would be a shame to lose someone who seems to be so highly regarded inthe game.  (IF he goes of course).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 02:55:11 PM
It'll be fine, mate, honestly. We've had nine months of Villa-related stress, we get time off for good behaviour in the summer. Meant to say congratulations on winning the H&V Fantasy League BTW (unless it's a different chrisw 🙂)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 02:59:13 PM
It'll be fine, mate, honestly. We've had nine months of Villa-related stress, we get time off for good behaviour in the summer. Meant to say congratulations on winning the H&V Fantasy League BTW (unless it's a different chrisw 🙂)
Ta.  Got to be honest I spend far too much time on my fantasy league team.  Was dissapointed to fall outside the top 10k in the last couple of weeks though.  Selling Son for Kane in GW30 destroyed me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2022, 03:01:20 PM
I read all the promising reports about Beale when he joined but six months later I'm thinking...what impact has he made that Richard O'Kelly or any other mid-table assistant couldn't manage?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 03:34:35 PM
I read all the promising reports about Beale when he joined but six months later I'm thinking...what impact has he made that Richard O'Kelly or any other mid-table assistant couldn't manage?

It's always the same. I've already mentioned Shakespeare, and it was the same with MacPhee. When he first arrived and we scored from a corner it was like we'd appointed the second coming of Guardiola/Beckenbauer or which ever tactical genius floats your boat. Fast forward a few weeks and we've got long throws from Bailey barely crossing the white line while we're getting handsomely thrashed. I guess that Gerrard would prefer that he stayed, but an assistant coach leaving who we've only had in place for ⅔ of a season isn't the worst disaster we've experienced in ten years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 03:39:20 PM
There seems to be this fear that Gerrard without Beale = Paul Lambert. I’m pretty sure he will appoint someone else who can follow instructions and help him make good tactical decisions. And I’m sure McPhee will gone too soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 26, 2022, 03:41:28 PM
Thought that Beale would go to an East End team ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on May 26, 2022, 03:47:29 PM
Thought that Beale would go to an East End team ;)

Leave it out, he’s not worff it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 26, 2022, 03:50:59 PM
Gerrard has an army of coaches. Surely the others will have picked up some of Beale's knowledge and coaching skills.

I watched some of the clips from training over the season and it was clear that Beale runs the training sessions, so is a very important part of the coaching team and will probably need replacing unless someone steps into the role.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 26, 2022, 03:53:08 PM
I like AOC (both of them). I've always been a fan and I think he's been unlucky this season. The problem for me is injuiries rather than his quality.

Beale is highly rated so I can see why some might be a little concerned. I'm sure Gerrard knows a thing or two though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 03:55:36 PM
Thought that Beale would go to an East End team ;)

Leave it out, he’s not worff it.

Get aaaaaht of ma club!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2022, 03:58:26 PM
i really do not see us taking Alex Oxlade Treatment Table- Mirror story.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 26, 2022, 04:06:48 PM
Well, if Gerrard can attract the likes of Coutinho to join the playing staff, if Beale does leave I wouldn't put it past him to be able to find an excellent assistant as well.
Yeah, my thoughts too.  I'd rather we kept this Beale character, but we have an entire recruitment team whose job it is to find the best person for the job.  It doesn't overly concern me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 26, 2022, 04:30:46 PM
Without intimate knowledge of the Professional and Personal dynamics of the senior coaching team, I find it difficult that any one may give an accurate assessment of the situation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on May 26, 2022, 04:34:26 PM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.

Fabrizio Romano saying it now so there must be something in this one https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1529847683678187520?s=21&t=E4YooSR0aVjAu5D2uqdfTQ
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 26, 2022, 04:41:34 PM
Without intimate knowledge of the Professional and Personal dynamics of the senior coaching team, I find it difficult that any one may give an accurate assessment of the situation.

This is how the Russians will close down the H&V forum in 2030.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 04:45:08 PM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.

Fabrizio Romano saying it now so there must be something in this one https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1529847683678187520?s=21&t=E4YooSR0aVjAu5D2uqdfTQ

£27m?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on May 26, 2022, 04:45:46 PM
Tactics Tim might be available to step in as SG's assistant. At least he knows the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 26, 2022, 04:46:16 PM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.

Fabrizio Romano saying it now so there must be something in this one https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1529847683678187520?s=21&t=E4YooSR0aVjAu5D2uqdfTQ

£27m?
Don't worry, we'll get Lange on the case and it'll be down to £3.75 and a half pack of quavers by the time the transfer goes through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 04:49:19 PM
Linked with someone called Diego Carlo from Seville, big money. Never heard of him.

Fabrizio Romano saying it now so there must be something in this one https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1529847683678187520?s=21&t=E4YooSR0aVjAu5D2uqdfTQ

£27m?
Don't worry, we'll get Lange on the case and it'll be down to £3.75 and a half pack of quavers by the time the transfer goes through.

I was under the impression that his release clause was around £65-70m.. at 29 years old, if he's good enough, that seems like decent business?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 04:51:22 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 26, 2022, 04:52:11 PM
Diego Carlos reports seem to be 31m euros or 50m euros with add ons. 

It's a shitload of money for a 29 year old - I'm really not sure at that price.  But when you see what a difference a nect level defender like VVD makes then maybe.  I don't know enough about him - is he that good?  IF he really is a difference maker - maybe the step between qualifying for Europe and not - I guess it could be worth it? 

He's right footed but plays on the left, so a Mings replacement.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 04:56:43 PM
Diego Carlos reports seem to be 31m euros or 50m euros with add ons. 

It's a shitload of money for a 29 year old - I'm really not sure at that price.  But when you see what a difference a nect level defender like VVD makes then maybe.  I don't know enough about him - is he that good?  IF he really is a difference maker - maybe the step between qualifying for Europe and not - I guess it could be worth it? 

He's right footed but plays on the left, so a Mings replacement.

Thoughts?

Well, Sevilla only surrendered 30 goals last year.. lowest in La Liga. In today's game, I don't even know what a shitload is anymore. He would be the most competent on-ball CB that we've had in some time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 26, 2022, 05:00:47 PM
Agreed a fee for Diego Carlos according to the OS
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 05:01:40 PM
Agreed a fee for Diego Carlos according to the OS

LET'S GOOO! I've got to give credit to the club. It seems that as soon as the media get a sniff of a deal, it's already done.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1529854749138378753?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 05:05:33 PM
Bloody hell. We are not messing around.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 05:06:44 PM
we simply do not fuck around
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on May 26, 2022, 05:07:40 PM
Sod costs. Bollocks to resale value.

If we are looking at bringing top quality players into the club who are an upgrade on what we have, then bring it on.
Forget promising youngsters, moneyball players and players looking for a last big pay day.
Players in their prime who can lift us into the next level is what I want.

Our owners have the ambition, they just keep on proving it.

I’m loving all the speculation, the names we are linked with and a feeling of progress that is underway.

UP THE FECKIN VILLA.




Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 05:09:21 PM
It’s clear there is a priority to get players in and be part of a full pre-season which is what is needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 05:10:11 PM
Sod costs. Bollocks to resale value.

If we are looking at bringing top quality players into the club who are an upgrade on what we have, then bring it on.
Forget promising youngsters, moneyball players and players looking for a last big pay day.
Players in their prime who can lift us into the next level is what I want.

Our owners have the ambition, they just keep on proving it.

I’m loving all the speculation, the names we are linked with and a feeling of progress that is underway.

UP THE FECKIN VILLA.

At face value, I think we've actually spent pretty well since Gerrard was appointed (post-Joey Rats money) ..

Lucas Digne - £25m
Callum Chambers - Free
Phillipe Coutinho - £17m
Boubacar Kamara - Free
Diego Carlos - £26m
Total - £68m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: usav on May 26, 2022, 05:14:09 PM
Doing some quick google translates on the Twitter comments underneath the official Sevilla handle tells me their fans are none to happy he has left.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 05:15:18 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: berneboy on May 26, 2022, 05:17:22 PM
Aston Villa can confirm the Club has reached an agreement with Sevilla FC for the transfer of Diego Carlos for an undisclosed fee.

The player will travel to England in the next few hours to complete a medical and finalise personal terms.

Diego Carlos, a Brazilian central defender, has been a virtual ever-present in Sevilla’s successful La Liga and European campaigns over the last three seasons, playing 136 matches, including in Sevilla’s victorious appearance in the 2020 Europa League final against Inter Milan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: usav on May 26, 2022, 05:18:00 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 05:20:37 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.

This last season, he had a 94% short pass accuracy.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 05:22:25 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.

Our current approach to recruitment seems to be getting it back done under radar with info getting out fairly last minute. When some outlets were reporting our approach to Tarkowski with a wage quoted, this doesn’t seem to fit how we’ve been doing things.

That being said, Carlos hasn’t actually signed yet, which is also interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 26, 2022, 05:27:18 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.

Our current approach to recruitment seems to be getting it back done under radar with info getting out fairly last minute. When some outlets were reporting our approach to Tarkowski with a wage quoted, this doesn’t seem to fit how we’ve been doing things.

That being said, Carlos hasn’t actually signed yet, which is also interesting.

It's done and dusted, he's just got to pass the medical and get his work permit which won't be an issue.we would not announce this if he hadn't already agreed the terms
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on May 26, 2022, 05:28:41 PM
The way we are going the increased ground capacity will be needed for the players 😇
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 05:28:52 PM
Yeah, sounds like it's basically agreed, to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 05:34:49 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.

Our current approach to recruitment seems to be getting it back done under radar with info getting out fairly last minute. When some outlets were reporting our approach to Tarkowski with a wage quoted, this doesn’t seem to fit how we’ve been doing things.

That being said, Carlos hasn’t actually signed yet, which is also interesting.

It's done and dusted, he's just got to pass the medical and get his work permit which won't be an issue.we would not announce this if he hadn't already agreed the terms

Highly likely...I’m just one of those people that want the contract signed/medical passed, etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 26, 2022, 05:38:58 PM
Never heard of him before this week but if we don't sign him now I will be seriously pissed off. Would that be us ending our pursuit of Tarkowski or are we after two centre-halves, do we think?

It’s possible Tarkowski was a diversion.

More than likely Gerrard wants centre halves that can play the ball out from the back and keep possession.  No to stereotype, but being Brazilian I would hope he is at least good on the ball.

Our current approach to recruitment seems to be getting it back done under radar with info getting out fairly last minute. When some outlets were reporting our approach to Tarkowski with a wage quoted, this doesn’t seem to fit how we’ve been doing things.

That being said, Carlos hasn’t actually signed yet, which is also interesting.

It's done and dusted, he's just got to pass the medical and get his work permit which won't be an issue.we would not announce this if he hadn't already agreed the terms

Highly likely...I’m just one of those people that want the contract signed/medical passed, etc.

I still have david unsworth syndrome too don't worry hahaha
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 26, 2022, 05:47:15 PM
Clearly Gerrard is signing players with significant European experience, hopefully planning for euro-qualification next season.

Next in will be Suarez, if only to satisfy cdbearsfan's Uruguayan demand :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 05:48:56 PM
Clearly Gerrard is signing players with significant European experience, hopefully planning for euro-qualification next season.

Next in will be Suarez, if only to satisfy cdbearsfan's Uruguayan demand :)

We will have had internationals from all the World Cup winning teams if we get him. Needs to be done.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 05:59:29 PM
I love the idea of getting our targeted players in early and then using the rest of the window to shift out those who are surplus to requirements. And by doing it this way we don't engage in the bullshit that is the transfer deadline. Sorry, not sorry Sky/TS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on May 26, 2022, 06:01:29 PM
Bloody marvelous but please please no Suarez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 06:02:31 PM
I love the idea of getting our targeted players in early and then using the rest of the window to shift out those who are surplus to requirements. And by doing it this way we don't engage in the bullshit that is the transfer deadline. Sorry, not sorry Sky/TS.

I quite enjoy how we've embarrassed Sky with our transfer dealings in recent times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on May 26, 2022, 06:03:42 PM
Need a striker now imo.

Darwin Nunez please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 06:05:14 PM
Need a striker now imo.

Darwin Nunez please.

Or Jonathan David
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on May 26, 2022, 06:14:39 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 06:15:34 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.

fair analysis
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 26, 2022, 06:19:16 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.

I'd assumed you name was Richard Edward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on May 26, 2022, 06:28:38 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.

Should we sack the manager for the same reason?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on May 26, 2022, 06:29:14 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.

Should we sack the manager for the same reason?

Diego Carlos better do one as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 06:54:45 PM
Gerrard said recently that some players were playing for their future. These flurry of signings by the club is sending reiterating that message.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 26, 2022, 06:59:07 PM
It’s been mentioned about us having very little steel to our performances, I’d say Gerrard has seen this two as these last two signings certainly change that somewhat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 26, 2022, 07:01:29 PM
I don’t want Jonathan David, on the grounds that both his first name and his surname are first names.

Should we sack the manager for the same reason?

Diego Carlos better do one as well.

Diego Carlos Santos Silva.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on May 26, 2022, 07:08:27 PM
Sort it out Villa, getting all our transfers done in May, what will we do for the rest of the summer!

DISGRACEFUL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 26, 2022, 07:30:14 PM
We've gone a long way to addressing 2 of our problem areas before the season has even finished, signing players that the European 'Elite' would have been happy to sign. Getting them in early enables us to be fully ready for the season ahead and talk will be of top 8 and pushing for Europe.

Saturday 30th July 2022

Aston Villa 0-2 Bournemouth
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 26, 2022, 07:33:50 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2022, 07:42:38 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

Again, would be massive statement. Pretty much the reason Villarreal got as deep as they did in the Champions League.

I'd wonder though whether he might be one of those who is really good but not quite suited to England.

Borja Baston scored a ton after he left us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 07:49:44 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

Again, would be massive statement. Pretty much the reason Villarreal got as deep as they did in the Champions League.

I'd wonder though whether he might be one of those who is really good but not quite suited to England.

Borja Baston scored a ton after he left us.

Well, he did if you count 5 and 17 in the last 2 seasons of the Spanish 2nd division as a ton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 26, 2022, 07:50:18 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

Again, would be massive statement. Pretty much the reason Villarreal got as deep as they did in the Champions League.

I'd wonder though whether he might be one of those who is really good but not quite suited to England.

Borja Baston scored a ton after he left us.

Well, he did if you count 5 and 17 in the last 2 seasons of the Spanish 2nd division as a ton.

Compared to what he did at Villa, I would.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 26, 2022, 07:55:17 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

He just signed a 5-year extension last year, so it won't be easy seeing that his value is at an all time high. That said, it would be a good addition. A striker with a deft touch, a knack for goal and a proven record in Europe. I'm not sure I see it coming together for us, and on the flipside it would be another 30 year old signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 07:59:44 PM
Moreno's numbers and quality are impressive. It would also be a real statement of intent that he'd be prepared to give up playing in the Champions League with Villarreal for the only real Villa...but he is 30 and had a number of problems with injuries last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2022, 08:12:10 PM
Striker you say? https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

Meanwhile, over in Sandwell. https://twitter.com/JPercyTelegraph/status/1529874147710476288
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 26, 2022, 08:13:14 PM
Don't really mind us signing a few older players considering the amount of youth coming through so it's not really an either or situation.  Plus I'm all for us signing a full team of fellow Gerards
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 26, 2022, 08:18:00 PM
Don't really mind us signing a few older players considering the amount of youth coming through so it's not really an either or situation.  Plus I'm all for us signing a full team of fellow Gerards



What signing a mixture of younger and experienced players suggests to me is that finally we're signing players for the system and not fitting the system round the players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 08:25:55 PM
Don't really mind us signing a few older players considering the amount of youth coming through so it's not really an either or situation.  Plus I'm all for us signing a full team of fellow Gerards

Stick Gerard Pique at the back with Diego. Gerard Depardieu the big lump on the goal line to help Emi. Gerard Butler, find a role for that prick. Sign Gerard Deulofeu from Watford on a free now that they've gone down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2022, 08:29:01 PM
I’d avoid Depardieu….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 26, 2022, 08:40:46 PM
Striker you say?

https://twitter.com/FutbolTotalCF/status/1529872808058183681?t=aiRpszi6NRi04F1JoBX9sA&s=19

Again, would be massive statement. Pretty much the reason Villarreal got as deep as they did in the Champions League.

I'd wonder though whether he might be one of those who is really good but not quite suited to England.

Borja Baston scored a ton after he left us.

Borja surely ended up in Segunda? Probably more comparable would be Negredo and Soldado in recent times. And Morata of course although he did look good for Chelsea early on and generally bench warms at whichever club he's at now.

I think Moreno would be suited to English game actually as he's strong in the air and his link up play is solid so upgrade on Ollie.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 26, 2022, 08:50:31 PM
Don't really mind us signing a few older players considering the amount of youth coming through so it's not really an either or situation.  Plus I'm all for us signing a full team of fellow Gerards

Stick Gerard Pique at the back with Diego. Gerard Depardieu the big lump on the goal line to help Emi. Gerard Butler, find a role for that prick. Sign Gerard Deulofeu from Watford on a free now that they've gone down.

Could get Gerard Adams in to do the press conferences, he's adept at dealing with the media.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 26, 2022, 08:55:29 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back. He did say Kamara was an option at the back and Carlos coming in today. Cash and Digne certainly are encouraged to play very high up the pitch at times. You tube clips (suggested KEA was a superstar!), seem to indicate Carlos is very comfortable passing the ball out from the back. Obviously an area Gerrard wasn't happy with.

Moving Mings on would be a huge statement of intent from Gerrard that the spine of the team isn't good enough. New number 6 and possibly 5 already in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 26, 2022, 09:00:18 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back. He did say Kamara was an option at the back and Carlos coming in today. Cash and Digne certainly are encouraged to play very high up the pitch at times. You tube clips (suggested KEA was a superstar!), seem to indicate Carlos is very comfortable passing the ball out from the back. Obviously an area Gerrard wasn't happy with.

Moving Mings on would be a huge statement of intent from Gerrard that the spine of the team isn't good enough. New number 6 and possibly 5 already in.

Oh oh. Three at the back again, this won’t go down well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 09:24:04 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back.

No means no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 26, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back. He did say Kamara was an option at the back and Carlos coming in today. Cash and Digne certainly are encouraged to play very high up the pitch at times. You tube clips (suggested KEA was a superstar!), seem to indicate Carlos is very comfortable passing the ball out from the back. Obviously an area Gerrard wasn't happy with.

Moving Mings on would be a huge statement of intent from Gerrard that the spine of the team isn't good enough. New number 6 and possibly 5 already in.

Oh oh. Three at the back again, this won’t go down well.

Nope, the bed wetting will continue throughout the summer with some on here if mentioned again..Just thought it was strange Gerrard brought it up when Kamara signed as an option for him.

Mings despite his faults has had a pretty solid season, would be a huge decision to effectively replace the captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 26, 2022, 09:59:32 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back.

Considering how many at the where now?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 26, 2022, 11:17:14 PM
I’m going to be massively fucked off if we don’t sign someone tomorrow.

Purslow/Lange/Gerrard OUT. Just getting some practice in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2022, 11:24:04 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back. He did say Kamara was an option at the back and Carlos coming in today. Cash and Digne certainly are encouraged to play very high up the pitch at times. You tube clips (suggested KEA was a superstar!), seem to indicate Carlos is very comfortable passing the ball out from the back. Obviously an area Gerrard wasn't happy with.

Moving Mings on would be a huge statement of intent from Gerrard that the spine of the team isn't good enough. New number 6 and possibly 5 already in.

Oh oh. Three at the back again, this won’t go down well.

Nope, the bed wetting will continue throughout the summer with some on here if mentioned again..Just thought it was strange Gerrard brought it up when Kamara signed as an option for him.

Mings despite his faults has had a pretty solid season, would be a huge decision to effectively replace the captain.

The same interview where Gerrard specifically said he was signing Kamara as a midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 26, 2022, 11:24:58 PM
I’m going to be massively fucked off if we don’t sign someone tomorrow.

Purslow/Lange/Gerrard OUT. Just getting some practice in.

It’s a credit to the club that we’re able to go first and be proactive, rather than wait on what the rest of the market does first before acting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on May 26, 2022, 11:26:07 PM
Wonder if Gerrard is considering three at the back.

Considering 5how many at the where now?
Three at the back implies big changes in midfield.A midfield 3 with another midfielder probably coming in,means that Ramsey,Buendia and McGinn are reserves.4 is better but still looks like a Southgate England tribute act.
Gerrard's blueprint is probably,surprise,surprise , Liverpool.He didn't play 3 when Chambers took over from Konsa and we were leaking goals.
3 at the back means he needs another high cost CB ,especially with Konsa injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 26, 2022, 11:29:25 PM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 26, 2022, 11:35:06 PM
                                Martinez
                  Tarkowski  Carlos  Bassey
       Cash         Bissouma          Kamara        Digne
                           Coutinho  Ramsey
                                 Watkins

Like this?  Surely not three at the back.  Or even
                               
                          Martinez
             Tarkowski  Carlos   Bassey
    Cash      Bissouma  Kamara       Digne
                          Coutinho
                   Watkins  Striker
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 26, 2022, 11:51:23 PM
                                Martinez
                  Tarkowski  Carlos  Bassey
       Cash         Bissouma          Kamara        Digne
                           Coutinho  Ramsey
                                 Watkins

Like this?  Surely not three at the back.  Or even
                               
                          Martinez
             Tarkowski  Carlos   Bassey
    Cash      Bissouma  Kamara       Digne
                          Coutinho
                   Watkins  Striker

I don't want to have to start reporting posts to the moderators, but I will, if that's what it takes. The forum needs to be rid of this filth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 27, 2022, 12:30:21 AM
Solidarity with cdbearsfan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 27, 2022, 12:34:30 AM
                                Martinez
                  Tarkowski  Carlos  Bassey
       Cash         Bissouma          Kamara        Digne
                           Coutinho  Ramsey
                                 Watkins

Like this?  Surely not three at the back.  Or even
                               
                          Martinez
             Tarkowski  Carlos   Bassey
    Cash      Bissouma  Kamara       Digne
                          Coutinho
                   Watkins  Striker

I don't want to have to start reporting posts to the moderators, but I will, if that's what it takes. The forum needs to be rid of this filth.

Seconded. All talk of three CB’s needs to be flagged and the offender flogged relentlessly with copies of Birmingham City match day programmes. That or just made to read them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 27, 2022, 05:54:45 AM
I’m going to be massively fucked off if we don’t sign someone tomorrow.

Purslow/Lange/Gerrard OUT. Just getting some practice in.



All this business we do now, will make the summer even longer  eeek
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 27, 2022, 07:27:16 AM
So that's Coutinho, Kamara and Carlos signed for a combined £43m. Now that's amazing value. More to come in.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 08:04:00 AM
So that's Coutinho, Kamara and Carlos signed for a combined £43m. Now that's amazing value. More to come in.....
We paid about that to bring in Wesley, Nakamba, and Engels from Belgium 3 years ago...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2022, 08:35:00 AM
So that's Coutinho, Kamara and Carlos signed for a combined £43m. Now that's amazing value. More to come in.....
We paid about that to bring in Wesley, Nakamba, and Engels from Belgium 3 years ago...
... on a rather different wage profile, I suspect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on May 27, 2022, 08:48:26 AM
                                Martinez
                  Tarkowski  Carlos  Bassey
       Cash         Bissouma          Kamara        Digne
                           Coutinho  Ramsey
                                 Watkins

Like this?  Surely not three at the back.  Or even
                               
                          Martinez
             Tarkowski  Carlos   Bassey
    Cash      Bissouma  Kamara       Digne
                          Coutinho
                   Watkins  Striker

I see Gerrard playing 4-2-3-1 if some of the above players are signed.

I think Kamara will be used as a deep lying DM, allowing for a back three when releasing both Cash and Digne when on the attack.

I would like to see:

                                       Martinez
              Cash      Tarkowski           Carlos         Digne
                                       
                                 Kamara   Bissouma

                   Buendia       McGinn/Ramsey       Coutinho

                                            ST?


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 09:02:05 AM
So that's Coutinho, Kamara and Carlos signed for a combined £43m. Now that's amazing value. More to come in.....
We paid about that to bring in Wesley, Nakamba, and Engels from Belgium 3 years ago...
... on a rather different wage profile, I suspect.
Yeah, different times.  It's mad how warped the Premier League is, though.  We've been up 3 seasons now, are spending about the same money in transfer fees, but are now going after rather higher calibre players.  It's not even like we've done something extraordinary - a couple of mid table finishes, basically.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 27, 2022, 09:04:10 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 27, 2022, 09:10:38 AM
Quite a common coping mechanism across the spectrum from other fans.

We are the new Everton
We aren't signing anybody good anyway
They won't be decent, we do this every year
We're spending another £100m to finish 14th

The triumph of hope over reality.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 27, 2022, 09:21:24 AM
Quite a common coping mechanism across the spectrum from other fans.

We are the new Everton
We aren't signing anybody good anyway
They won't be decent, we do this every year
We're spending another £100m to finish 14th

The triumph of hope over reality.

Take a shot every time you read 'no resale value'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 27, 2022, 09:25:12 AM
Dennis from watford
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on May 27, 2022, 09:27:21 AM
T.Soucek on the Beeb has apparently fell out with Moyes at West Ham...

I'd have him here at the real Claret and Blues...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 27, 2022, 09:32:06 AM
I see him using different formations for different opponents.

Like we did at city with two banks of three in front of a back four.

We had them in our pockets until he inexplicably made changes around the 70 minute mark.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 27, 2022, 09:36:45 AM
People talking about three at the back like 2021 never happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2022, 09:38:23 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?

He's fine, but he's another on a similar level to what we have. A bit like Sanson is fine, but wasn't really good enough to usurp what was there already.

If we're bringing in a new striker (and I think we should) then it really needs to be a definite upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 27, 2022, 09:51:15 AM
Quite a common coping mechanism across the spectrum from other fans.

We are the new Everton
We aren't signing anybody good anyway
They won't be decent, we do this every year
We're spending another £100m to finish 14th

The triumph of hope over reality.

We're not the new Fulham anymore!
Progress!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 09:51:34 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?

He's fine, but he's another on a similar level to what we have. A bit like Sanson is fine, but wasn't really good enough to usurp what was there already.

If we're bringing in a new striker (and I think we should) then it really needs to be a definite upgrade.

He was shite against West Ham, clumsy and ineffective. I really struggle to think of anyone that would be a realistic target and a serious upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on May 27, 2022, 10:03:41 AM
So that's Coutinho, Kamara and Carlos signed for a combined £43m. Now that's amazing value. More to come in.....
We paid about that to bring in Wesley, Nakamba, and Engels from Belgium 3 years ago...
... on a rather different wage profile, I suspect.

Yes their total wages would have been about half Coutinho's
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 10:08:37 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?

He's fine, but he's another on a similar level to what we have. A bit like Sanson is fine, but wasn't really good enough to usurp what was there already.

If we're bringing in a new striker (and I think we should) then it really needs to be a definite upgrade.
I agree.  There's absolutely no point in buying players of the same calibre as the ones we already have (Coutinho aside), it'll yield the same mid table finish.  Just go for clear upgrades to the first team, which right now will be players who've looked good in the Champions League or UEFA Cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2022, 10:12:51 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?

He's fine, but he's another on a similar level to what we have. A bit like Sanson is fine, but wasn't really good enough to usurp what was there already.

If we're bringing in a new striker (and I think we should) then it really needs to be a definite upgrade.

He was shite against West Ham, clumsy and ineffective. I really struggle to think of anyone that would be a realistic target and a serious upgrade.

It's difficult to judge what is realistic at the moment though. Six months ago I would have said that Coutinho, Kamara and Diego Carlos weren't realistic targets.

Looking at who is scoring loads of goals and is of that sort of profile, I'd be wondering about Darwin Nunez, Lautaro Martinez or Wissam Ben Yedder. Probably completely unrealistic. But so was Coutinho.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2022, 10:16:30 AM
It’s great that we’re announcing players early rather than when the window opens. My cynical gene can’t help thinking about the upcoming season ticket renewal date and the fact that following each announcement I get another email reminding me about it. I’m going to get one as always but this hard sell does piss me off a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Moonraker on May 27, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Hard sell or good business model?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2022, 10:31:33 AM
Hard sell or good business model?

I know, but I still have this deluded idea that I’m a fan not a customer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 10:40:51 AM
I see Dembele, the ex Celtic and Fulham forward is available from Lyon for about £20m. He’s someone who I always thought was decent. Maybe too much like Olly?

He's fine, but he's another on a similar level to what we have. A bit like Sanson is fine, but wasn't really good enough to usurp what was there already.

If we're bringing in a new striker (and I think we should) then it really needs to be a definite upgrade.

He was shite against West Ham, clumsy and ineffective. I really struggle to think of anyone that would be a realistic target and a serious upgrade.

It's difficult to judge what is realistic at the moment though. Six months ago I would have said that Coutinho, Kamara and Diego Carlos weren't realistic targets.

Looking at who is scoring loads of goals and is of that sort of profile, I'd be wondering about Darwin Nunez, Lautaro Martinez or Wissam Ben Yedder. Probably completely unrealistic. But so was Coutinho.

It sure is an exciting time to be a Villa fan, we've never been this aggressive with recruitment before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2022, 10:49:41 AM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.

If we do sign those two, I could see us potentially moving to a 3-5-2, with the current 3 in midfield shape and Coutinho given a free role behind a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 11:06:32 AM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.

If we do sign those two, I could see us potentially moving to a 3-5-2, with the current 3 in midfield shape and Coutinho given a free role behind a striker.

Another one for the woodshed cdbearsfan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 27, 2022, 11:09:22 AM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.

If we do sign those two, I could see us potentially moving to a 3-5-2, with the current 3 in midfield shape and Coutinho given a free role behind a striker.

Another one for the woodshed cdbearsfan.

Shhh don't mention 1996
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 11:12:22 AM
It’s great that we’re announcing players early rather than when the window opens. My cynical gene can’t help thinking about the upcoming season ticket renewal date and the fact that following each announcement I get another email reminding me about it. I’m going to get one as always but this hard sell does piss me off a bit.

Given that there's a growing waiting list and this sort of transfer activity will generally excite fans anyway, I doubt they're looking for a hard sell.

Got to love how strategic the club is. They know Sevilla are in trouble financially and have to people. We're buying Diego Costa for less than Newcastle were bidding for him 4 months ago.

We clearly for players who we not only feel would strengthen us but who we also think are under-valued in the current market.

I wouldn't be surprised if we went back for Bissouma and signed him for £30m when Brighton were quoting £50m 4 months ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on May 27, 2022, 11:16:01 AM
Better we get them in early. If the club have done their research, identified the players they want then go get them before any other club does. Get them into the club, settled in and a pre-season. Rather that than say Spuds / Levi way of waiting until the end of the window  and try and get a better price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 11:18:02 AM
Better we get them in early. If the club have done their research, identified the players they want then go get them before any other club does. Get them into the club, settled in and a pre-season. Rather that than say Spuds / Levi way of waiting until the end of the window  and try and get a better price.

Thing is, Coutinho for £17m, Kamara for free and Diego Carlos for £26m...it's not like we're paying over the odds to get them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 27, 2022, 11:19:43 AM
We won't play 3 at the back (as a starting formation) you don't sign a player like Kamara to play in front of 3 centre backs given his whole appeal is that he can drift between being an extra midfielder and an extra defender. His job is to be the 3rd centre back in the moments where the fullbacks get caught up field and then as they filter back he can push out.

I suspect the main reason those links are still coming is because they don't want to be shown up for having completely missed our real target. That said if Mings does get moved on I could see Bassey coming in as cover because he's young enough to be a little more patient than someone like Mings.

T.Soucek on the Beeb has apparently fell out with Moyes at West Ham...

I'd have him here at the real Claret and Blues...

UTV
The Doc

I'd be 100% behind this, he's exactly the type of player I'd like to see come in next, it would give us tremendous flexibility in our midfield if we could pick 3 from Kamara, Soucek (or similar), Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 11:24:51 AM
We won't play 3 at the back (as a starting formation) you don't sign a player like Kamara to play in front of 3 centre backs given his whole appeal is that he can drift between being an extra midfielder and an extra defender. His job is to be the 3rd centre back in the moments where the fullbacks get caught up field and then as they filter back he can push out.
Yeah, that's how I saw it too - more a confirmation that we were generally going for 4 at the back, with Cash & Digne pushing forward and one of the midfielders dropping back to support the defenders when they're off gallivanting up the wings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 11:25:57 AM
I can't see Luiz staying otherwise we would have presumably signed him up to a new contract. It doesn't even seem like we've offered him one.

You wonder too whether part of the thinking of signing 29 year olds is that it gives some of the kids coming through chance to be ready (Bogarde, Feeney and Smith for Diego Costa for instance).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2022, 11:35:12 AM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.

If we do sign those two, I could see us potentially moving to a 3-5-2, with the current 3 in midfield shape and Coutinho given a free role behind a striker.

Another one for the woodshed cdbearsfan.

I sometimes feel my efforts here are wasted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 27, 2022, 11:48:12 AM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 27, 2022, 11:49:08 AM
I can't see Luiz staying otherwise we would have presumably signed him up to a new contract. It doesn't even seem like we've offered him one.

You wonder too whether part of the thinking of signing 29 year olds is that it gives some of the kids coming through chance to be ready (Bogarde, Feeney and Smith for Diego Costa for instance).

That's how i see it, sign a 30 year old in the same position as a promising 18 year old and he'll see the possibility of slowly replacing him over the next couple of years and they can act like a mentor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 27, 2022, 12:12:42 PM
I think we have suffered from not having enough 'wise old heads' in the team for a fair while now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 12:15:44 PM
I think we'll be a very physical team next season.

Good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

I'd have no issue with him coming in either, particularly if we have hopes of one of the young lot being really good.

But he probably doesn't get most of Ollie's chances on Sunday, as they mainly came from him running his nuts off and harrying Fernandinho which Suarez wouldn't be doing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

I'd have no issue with him coming in either, particularly if we have hopes of one of the young lot being really good.

But he probably doesn't get most of Ollie's chances on Sunday, as they mainly came from him running his nuts off and harrying Fernandinho which Suarez wouldn't be doing.

This is the thing with Watkins, whatever you say about his touch, the sheer volume of work he gets through is sorely missed when he's not there and why an upgrade is going to take a serious wedge to bring in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 27, 2022, 12:24:02 PM
I think we have suffered from not having enough 'wise old heads' in the team for a fair while now.

No-one seemed enamoured by Young last season and I reckon Suarez would be equally underwhelming on the pitch next season.  The off the pitch stuff is much harder to quantify but I think it is worth us having one player with we carry if they're genuinely helping the younger players develop and gain good habits.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 12:26:24 PM
Could Suarez work hard for 15-20 minutes coming off the bench?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 27, 2022, 12:27:52 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

Yep, and we were never gonna keep Citeh scoreless.

I'd have no issue with him coming in either, particularly if we have hopes of one of the young lot being really good.

But he probably doesn't get most of Ollie's chances on Sunday, as they mainly came from him running his nuts off and harrying Fernandinho which Suarez wouldn't be doing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 27, 2022, 12:45:57 PM
If Ollie scores twice and Phil adds the 4th, we'd have coasted the last 20 minutes as the arse had almost dropped out of them at 2-0. One for the What Ifs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 27, 2022, 01:01:59 PM
Don't mind Suarez as impact sub but would he be up for that? Worried signing him would mean we are still planning on going two up front as our formation of choice which means I rarely get to see my South American magicians doing their tricks in the same line-up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 27, 2022, 02:10:12 PM
SSN still linking us with Tarkowski and Bassey.

If we do sign those two, I could see us potentially moving to a 3-5-2, with the current 3 in midfield shape and Coutinho given a free role behind a striker.

Another one for the woodshed cdbearsfan.

Vrs Burnley selection seemed to be 4-1-4-1, however, the full back were so far advanced for much of the game with Luiz effectively playing a central role in a back 3. Other times the fullbacks were defending and Luiz pushed in front of the 4.
I sit at the back of the North and it was clear to see.
I think it’s going to be interesting to see how we develop our defensive unit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2022, 02:19:33 PM
We won't play 3 at the back (as a starting formation) you don't sign a player like Kamara to play in front of 3 centre backs given his whole appeal is that he can drift between being an extra midfielder and an extra defender. His job is to be the 3rd centre back in the moments where the fullbacks get caught up field and then as they filter back he can push out.

I suspect the main reason those links are still coming is because they don't want to be shown up for having completely missed our real target. That said if Mings does get moved on I could see Bassey coming in as cover because he's young enough to be a little more patient than someone like Mings.

T.Soucek on the Beeb has apparently fell out with Moyes at West Ham...

I'd have him here at the real Claret and Blues...

UTV
The Doc

I'd be 100% behind this, he's exactly the type of player I'd like to see come in next, it would give us tremendous flexibility in our midfield if we could pick 3 from Kamara, Soucek (or similar), Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz.

Not so sure Paul.  Still think you can play with a DM and still play 3 at the back.  I'm not really a fan of 3 at the back either (though do think it works OK in international football) but if we are potentially signing 3 CBs this summer without anyone in that position going out, then it might hint to a change in shape.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 27, 2022, 02:30:23 PM
Don't mind Suarez as impact sub but would he be up for that? Worried signing him would mean we are still planning on going two up front as our formation of choice which means I rarely get to see my South American magicians doing their tricks in the same line-up.

He is 35 so i reckon if he thinks he's coming to join a few of his old pals playing for a team challenging for Europe, and not having to push himself too much physically it would probably suit him well. I think it would suit us well too, we have 2 forwards who do pretty much everything well except for finishing and he's certainly bring that to the squad. We also have a promising youngster that probably isn't quite ready yet but might be in a year or two, by which time Suarez will probably be finished.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 27, 2022, 03:23:18 PM
Don't mind Suarez as impact sub but would he be up for that? Worried signing him would mean we are still planning on going two up front as our formation of choice which means I rarely get to see my South American magicians doing their tricks in the same line-up.

I think he realises that hes probably not going to play 90 minutes very often so I think it's a good option.

One thing I've never realised about Suarez is his height. I've seen him play many times but I always thought he was around the 5 foot 8 but hes 6ft.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
He is 35 so i reckon if he thinks he's coming to join a few of his old pals playing for a team challenging for Europe, and not having to push himself too much physically it would probably suit him well.

Also we had the 4th youngest squad in the PL last season and have signed a 22, 29 and 30 year old. We're not exactly Dad's Army.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 27, 2022, 03:25:57 PM
I think we'll be a very physical team next season.

Good.

This. With fucking bells on. It's about time
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on May 27, 2022, 03:37:27 PM
Re Saurez, I don't see him coming to be an impact sub given the other offers he is likely to have.

I also don't see him giving us 70 minutes every week at the intensity of the PL especially given the comments made by Gerrard about press and tempo.

Given the above, signing Saurez looks a poor fit or at least quite a long punt and given the consensus is we really need to get right the recruitment of a goalscorer (or the development of the strikers we have) if we are to make the progress that the club wants I don't see it.

This might be clouded by the fact I don't like him! UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 27, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
We won't play 3 at the back (as a starting formation) you don't sign a player like Kamara to play in front of 3 centre backs given his whole appeal is that he can drift between being an extra midfielder and an extra defender. His job is to be the 3rd centre back in the moments where the fullbacks get caught up field and then as they filter back he can push out.

I suspect the main reason those links are still coming is because they don't want to be shown up for having completely missed our real target. That said if Mings does get moved on I could see Bassey coming in as cover because he's young enough to be a little more patient than someone like Mings.

T.Soucek on the Beeb has apparently fell out with Moyes at West Ham...

I'd have him here at the real Claret and Blues...

UTV
The Doc

I'd be 100% behind this, he's exactly the type of player I'd like to see come in next, it would give us tremendous flexibility in our midfield if we could pick 3 from Kamara, Soucek (or similar), Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz.

Not so sure Paul.  Still think you can play with a DM and still play 3 at the back.  I'm not really a fan of 3 at the back either (though do think it works OK in international football) but if we are potentially signing 3 CBs this summer without anyone in that position going out, then it might hint to a change in shape.

You can indeed, you just don't pick one like Kamara, his strength is his ability to move between the lines (the statman Dave video on his thread covers this) and that's wasted if you play 3 CBs. Use him well and he gives you all the benefits of 3 at the back but without the many restrictions and problems it creates.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 27, 2022, 03:54:37 PM
Suarez whisperings growing… let’s see what happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on May 27, 2022, 03:54:59 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

We certainly score 4 - but probably lose 5-4.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2022, 04:00:04 PM
Maybe the Suarez links are because Gerrard has been in contact with him but to ask for his view on Darwin Nunez?  8)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 27, 2022, 04:02:37 PM
We won't play 3 at the back (as a starting formation) you don't sign a player like Kamara to play in front of 3 centre backs given his whole appeal is that he can drift between being an extra midfielder and an extra defender. His job is to be the 3rd centre back in the moments where the fullbacks get caught up field and then as they filter back he can push out.

I suspect the main reason those links are still coming is because they don't want to be shown up for having completely missed our real target. That said if Mings does get moved on I could see Bassey coming in as cover because he's young enough to be a little more patient than someone like Mings.

T.Soucek on the Beeb has apparently fell out with Moyes at West Ham...

I'd have him here at the real Claret and Blues...

UTV
The Doc

I'd be 100% behind this, he's exactly the type of player I'd like to see come in next, it would give us tremendous flexibility in our midfield if we could pick 3 from Kamara, Soucek (or similar), Ramsey, McGinn and Luiz.

Not so sure Paul.  Still think you can play with a DM and still play 3 at the back.  I'm not really a fan of 3 at the back either (though do think it works OK in international football) but if we are potentially signing 3 CBs this summer without anyone in that position going out, then it might hint to a change in shape.

You can indeed, you just don't pick one like Kamara, his strength is his ability to move between the lines (the statman Dave video on his thread covers this) and that's wasted if you play 3 CBs. Use him well and he gives you all the benefits of 3 at the back but without the many restrictions and problems it creates.

Not necessarily Paul as it can become somewhat of a diamond with the back 3 and the DM.  Haven't seen enough of Kamara to know how he plays, but the DM can act as a shield in front of the defence and working across rather than dropping back. 

The way Luiz played against Burnley was exactly the kind of role you described Paul so might be a clue.  What I did notice with that though was him dropping deep meant Coutinho was also dropping deeper and I think we need him on the ball in the final third more. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2022, 04:03:57 PM
Rumours of Mings to the Barcodes for £35m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 27, 2022, 04:10:40 PM
Well, Gerrard did imply that Mings might not be captain next season when asked a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 27, 2022, 04:13:52 PM
I'm not as down on Mings as some, but a bid of 30M+ has to be considered. I don't want to lose one of the strongest players in the league, a leader and a good representative of the club off the pitch.

He might make a mistake every 270 minutes but the slander he gets is a little over the top.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 27, 2022, 04:20:18 PM
I'm not as down on Mings as some, but a bid of 30M+ has to be considered. I don't want to lose one of the strongest players in the league, a leader and a good representative of the club off the pitch.

He might make a mistake every 270 minutes but the slander he gets is a little over the top.
Agreed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on May 27, 2022, 04:21:26 PM
Mings alongside a world class defender and a world class DM is a different proposition to what we saw last season though.

Any individual mistakes would likely be much more limited - or at least - the threat of him making them would be much more reduced.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 27, 2022, 04:24:02 PM
Suarez whisperings growing… let me see what happens.

VillaWhispers! Is he back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 27, 2022, 04:27:27 PM
I'm not as down on Mings as some, but a bid of 30M+ has to be considered. 

Same here, but if we sell Mings for 30m+ to the barcodes and replace him with Sven Botman for the same or less then I imagine the Newcastle fans will be a bit unhappy to say the least.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 04:28:36 PM
Stefan de Vrij being rumoured in Italy, available on the cheap because he's in the last year of his contract at Inter Milan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 27, 2022, 04:29:07 PM
I'm not as down on Mings as some, but a bid of 30M+ has to be considered. 

Same here, but if we sell Mings for 30m+ to the barcodes and replace him with Sven Botman for the same or less then I imagine the Newcastle fans will be a bit unhappy to say the least.

Unhappy isn't the word. They're talking about pipping Chelsea to Neymar  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on May 27, 2022, 04:38:20 PM
I'd sell Mings for anything over £30m.

Helped get us up, stay up and establish ourselves so his job is done. Surely when we got him we didn't think he was gonna take us into Europe? I'd say thanks for your contribution, wish you all the best Tyrone. Been a good signing and great captain but the time is right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 27, 2022, 04:40:15 PM
Newcastle taunting us for signing a 29 year old for £23m and then signing 29 year old Tyrone Mings for £35m will make me lol.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 27, 2022, 04:42:26 PM
See the Wolves lot think we’re wasting all our money on old players as already over half our first team are above the age of 30.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 27, 2022, 04:44:10 PM
Newcastle taunting us for signing a 29 year old for £23m
The one they were desperate to sign for £32m five months ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 27, 2022, 04:46:50 PM
See the Wolves lot think we’re wasting all our money on old players as already over half our first team are above the age of 30.

Does Harpo Marx look any closer to being a £35m footballer yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2022, 04:50:38 PM
Stefan de Vrij being rumoured in Italy, available on the cheap because he's in the last year of his contract at Inter Milan.

Hopefully just a rumour. I'm all for bringing in a bit of experience but let's not go full-on Dads Army.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 27, 2022, 04:57:39 PM
Stefan de Vrij being rumoured in Italy, available on the cheap because he's in the last year of his contract at Inter Milan.

Hopefully just a rumour. I'm all for bringing in a bit of experience but let's not go full-on Dads Army.

Don't be absurd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 27, 2022, 05:02:04 PM
I'm not as down on Mings as some, but a bid of 30M+ has to be considered. I don't want to lose one of the strongest players in the league, a leader and a good representative of the club off the pitch.

He might make a mistake every 270 minutes but the slander he gets is a little over the top.
Agreed

How he hasn't made the latest England squad with the rubbish that's been included is a mystery to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 27, 2022, 05:37:34 PM
Is this Suarez thing happening then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 27, 2022, 05:39:44 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

The problem with these former elite players is that they usually don't accept not playing every week and are very hard to manage as a result. Suarez is finished at the top level and his retirement home should be elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2022, 05:41:33 PM
Suarez as a 3rd striker I'd take. He's not going to play every game or start tonnes. But even at his age, the ball falls to him inside that 18 yard box, its going in. If he has Ollies chances on Sunday, we win 4-0.

The problem with these former elite players is that they usually don't accept not playing every week and are very hard to manage as a result. Suarez is finished at the top level and his retirement home should be elsewhere.

He's managed to cope with coming off the bench on 80 minutes for the last six months.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 27, 2022, 05:50:08 PM
See the Wolves lot think we’re wasting all our money on old players as already over half our first team are above the age of 30.

Does Harpo Marx look any closer to being a £35m footballer yet?

Is that also ‘Screech’ from Saved by the Bell?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 27, 2022, 06:06:49 PM
The day the latest England squad was announced Mings posted a tweet that left me feeling a little bit uncomfortable.  Reading between the lines it smacked of a goodbye message of sorts.  I hope I'm wrong I like the bloke, mistakes and all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on May 27, 2022, 06:11:58 PM
Ming's has got 2 years left on his contract, so if he's going to go, this would be the best time from the point of getting a sizeable fee.

I think he'll stay & sign a new contract. We won't improve unless the likes of Ming's & McGinn are fighting to get in the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 27, 2022, 06:18:56 PM
I’ve just had a look Dave, I had seen it when he tweeted it but reading it back now and knowing we’ve signed Diego, you could be right.

He’s a brilliant lad, a real inspirational character. I’d certainly miss him. He’s been one of my most favourite Villains we’ve had for some time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 27, 2022, 06:20:55 PM
I’ve just had a look Dave, I had seen it when he tweeted it but reading it back now and knowing we’ve signed Diego, you could be right.

He’s a brilliant lad, a real inspirational character. I’d certainly miss him. He’s been one of my most favourite Villains we’ve had for some time.

Me too. Very good player, proper leader.

I think he’ll shine with better players around (especially in front of) him. Hope that’s with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 27, 2022, 06:29:52 PM
Add me to the Tyrone Mings fan club. Think he'd thrive with better players around him - and although it's secondary when considering footballers, I admire him as a person. One of the most likeable players we've had in a long while.

Just hoping that this Diego Carlos fellow can play left & right side central defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on May 27, 2022, 06:36:25 PM
I'd read that Mings tweet the other way round. Making sure 'we' are stronger next season, 'see you all soon.' Didn't sound like goodbye to me.

Personally I hope he stays and forges an unbreakable partnership with Diego Carlos.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 27, 2022, 06:50:59 PM
His last Instagram post 2 days ago said something along the lines of "Thanks for the support this season , we'll be back stronger next season". Definately didn't give off any good bye vibes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 27, 2022, 06:52:18 PM
I think Mings is the sort of character who will stay and fight for his place. If that’s true, that's the sort of character we want moving forward as we build a squad. He and Carlos could well end up playing together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on May 27, 2022, 06:59:10 PM
Mings is not the weak link, it’s Konsa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2022, 07:03:03 PM
It's the midfield for me. Luiz nor McGinn can't sit in front of the back four. It's not their game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 27, 2022, 09:01:20 PM
Tyrone would be very low on the list of players to leave, him and Carlos at the back already looks solid.

As others have said, add some quality alongside and in front and you will see a different player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 27, 2022, 09:07:02 PM
It's the midfield for me. Luiz nor McGinn can't sit in front of the back four. It's not their game.

I agree. When the midfield has done its job properly, Mings and Konsa have looked pretty strong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 27, 2022, 09:10:17 PM
Mings is a good player, we shouldn’t be getting rid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 27, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
It would be madness to let Mings go. He has over 100 Premier League appearances which is valuable experience. Admittedly, there's errors, but he blocks and clears numerous shots and crosses away. People seem to forget that it's 5 subs allowed next season. You need a strong bench with plenty of depth. This new ruling will only favour the so called top four even further, as if they haven't got enough advantage already!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Fasth56 on May 27, 2022, 09:32:22 PM
Mings is not the weak link, it’s Konsa.

Neither are the weak link, when you have a motorway size hole in the centre of the field and attacking midfield of the opposition have the freedom of the park any centre back would look inadequate. Put a proper defensive midfielder in and it raises the level of everyone in the defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 27, 2022, 11:30:12 PM
They are both weakened by not having a decent defensively minded player in front,and more so when they don't have full backs around either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DeeBoy1 on May 27, 2022, 11:40:08 PM
Agree with all of the above. His clean sheets record for England is outstanding and he’s rarely put a foot wrong when playing. That’s what happens when you have the likes of Rice, Phillips or Henderson in front of you. It’s a keep from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 28, 2022, 12:01:38 AM
I love Mings, and would hate to see him leave. I'd hate it even more if he went to play for the Saudis, and I can't see a man of his character ever doing that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 28, 2022, 12:04:16 AM
I think another deep lying midfielder that can dictate the play will be high on the wanted list. Liverpool thrive on Thiago being able to find the runs of the full backs from deep, I don't think our midfield re-shaping is finished by any stretch.

Mings is the central defensive version of David James. All the talent and attributes, but too bright to not let his mind wander and make the odd stupid mistake, which often proves costly. He has done more for Villa than a lot of players down the years though, and deserves a shot with a better midfield in front of him.

Linked to Tammy tonight, can strike that one off our summer bingo card.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 12:04:33 AM
I love Mings, and would hate to see him leave. I'd hate it even more if he went to play for the Saudis, and I can't see a man of his character ever doing that.

Interesting point. I also wonder if that may influence the decision of other players going to the north east.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on May 28, 2022, 12:08:19 AM
Get behind Mings, he’s a proper bloke and a good footballer..gives 100% every game …I love him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 12:20:24 AM
Mings is the central defensive version of David James. All the talent and attributes, but too bright to not let his mind wander and make the odd stupid mistake, which often proves costly. He has done more for Villa than a lot of players down the years though, and deserves a shot with a better midfield in front of him.

The comparison with James is right on the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2022, 12:29:38 AM
Get behind Mings, he’s a proper bloke and a good footballer..gives 100% every game …I love him

Indeed. A massive part of our revival as a club.

We might sign better players but - unless TM himself wants out - I'd want to see him stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 12:31:54 AM
Mings has been a good servant to the club and a good leader. We should be looking to keep hold of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2022, 07:16:33 AM
I think another deep lying midfielder that can dictate the play will be high on the wanted list. Liverpool thrive on Thiago being able to find the runs of the full backs from deep, I don't think our midfield re-shaping is finished by any stretch.
Soucek?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on May 28, 2022, 07:29:34 AM
I have been a big critic of Mings and his customary fuck up
However they seem to have become fewer and with someone breaking up or holding play in front of him he could be even better,  or no luiz giving away needless freekicks in dangerous areas
A big keep from me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 28, 2022, 07:34:20 AM
Sources next to Kamara in a 4-2-3-1 formation would be top class, can’t see West Ham selling him though unless it’s stupid money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 28, 2022, 07:37:04 AM
Oh ffs.... here we go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 28, 2022, 07:39:03 AM
I would imagine the plan is for Costa to compete with Mings, and Konsa or Cambers to compete with the next centre back that comes in (too many links for us not to be looking at another). In which case I imagine we are trying to sell Hause, not Mings.

The only way I see Mings going is if he sulks like Targett did when he lost his automatic starter status.

However if we got upwards of £30m we would have done quite well. I'd rather he stay and compete given the choice, but not if it meant not buying a centre forward due to lack of funds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2022, 09:43:11 AM
Oh ffs.... here we go.

Wait till you hear we've signed the ex-Chelsea/Atleti forward to play ay at CB. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 28, 2022, 10:09:33 AM
What channel is the champs league final on? Hope its not BT with Steve fucking McManaman. It would be nice to have some balanced commentary, not all people in the UK want Liverpool to win, can't stand the baised comms when an English team is involved, acting all down and depressed if a foreign team dares to take the lead.

Unfortunately can't see past a Liverpool win and an enormous wankfest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 28, 2022, 10:10:34 AM
Wrong topic, soz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2022, 10:14:47 AM
What channel is the champs league final on? Hope its not BT with Steve fucking McManaman. It would be nice to have some balanced commentary, not all people in the UK want Liverpool to win, can't stand the baised comms when an English team is involved, acting all down and depressed if a foreign team dares to take the lead.

Unfortunately can't see past a Liverpool win and an enormous wankfest.

BT. Also available free on YouTube.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 28, 2022, 10:17:30 AM
What channel is the champs league final on? Hope its not BT with Steve fucking McManaman. It would be nice to have some balanced commentary, not all people in the UK want Liverpool to win, can't stand the baised comms when an English team is involved, acting all down and depressed if a foreign team dares to take the lead.

Unfortunately can't see past a Liverpool win and an enormous wankfest.

BT. Also available free on YouTube.

Foreign channels for me then. Thank god for iptv.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 28, 2022, 10:19:28 AM
Virgin channel 532
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2022, 10:40:23 AM
It would be madness to let Mings go. He has over 100 Premier League appearances which is valuable experience. Admittedly, there's errors, but he blocks and clears numerous shots and crosses away. People seem to forget that it's 5 subs allowed next season. You need a strong bench with plenty of depth. This new ruling will only favour the so called top four even further, as if they haven't got enough advantage already!

5 subs is a nonsense as we see in the CL. Just a means of running down the clock late on in games.

Centre back isn't a position that is rotated too often, particularly for clubs not playing European football. If Carlos has been brought into play LCB then almost certainly Mings will move on. He will have his pick of midtable clubs. It's the same with Targett. With Mings it does seem a harsh enough call on the face of it but bringing the ball out from the back is definitely not his game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2022, 10:41:51 AM
Assume you can still only make subs in three different intervals? So it wouldn't be any better way of running the clock down than three subs. Unless the rules have changed, I haven't watched any Champions League games, admittedly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 28, 2022, 10:43:42 AM
It would be madness to let Mings go. He has over 100 Premier League appearances which is valuable experience. Admittedly, there's errors, but he blocks and clears numerous shots and crosses away. People seem to forget that it's 5 subs allowed next season. You need a strong bench with plenty of depth. This new ruling will only favour the so called top four even further, as if they haven't got enough advantage already!

5 subs is a nonsense as we see in the CL. Just a means of running down the clock late on in games.

Centre back isn't a position that is rotated too often, particularly for clubs not playing European football. If Carlos has been brought into play LCB then almost certainly Mings will move on. He will have his pick of midtable clubs. It's the same with Targett. With Mings it does seem a harsh enough call on the face of it but bringing the ball out from the back is definitely not his game.

The last two periods of extra time I've watched have been 30 minutes of subs, drinks breaks and cramp workshops, an absolute nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 28, 2022, 12:04:52 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today. If Soucek is unsettled I wouldn’t be averse to a swap deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 28, 2022, 12:14:55 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today. If Soucek is unsettled I wouldn’t be averse to a swap deal.

Now we have a DM I wouldn't be selling McGinn. His passing has driven me mad of late but hopefully he'll be higher up the pitch now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2022, 12:35:21 PM
Assume you can still only make subs in three different intervals? So it wouldn't be any better way of running the clock down than three subs. Unless the rules have changed, I haven't watched any Champions League games, admittedly.

3 intervals plus half-time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 28, 2022, 12:46:09 PM
What channel is the champs league final on? Hope its not BT with Steve fucking McManaman. It would be nice to have some balanced commentary, not all people in the UK want Liverpool to win, can't stand the baised comms when an English team is involved, acting all down and depressed if a foreign team dares to take the lead.

Unfortunately can't see past a Liverpool win and an enormous wankfest.

Mcmanaman is dreadful but guess he played successfully for both teams. That matey bants that Jake sycophant goes on with the likes of Rio, Mcmanaman et al on BT is horrid. I like Scholes, he's a right contrary f*cker, but called out Solskjaer and some of those United players earlier in the year before it was popular to do so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2022, 12:47:54 PM
Assume you can still only make subs in three different intervals? So it wouldn't be any better way of running the clock down than three subs. Unless the rules have changed, I haven't watched any Champions League games, admittedly.

3 intervals plus half-time.

Ta. So wouldn't really contribute to time wasting any more than the current system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2022, 01:22:41 PM
BT Sport is like a rogues gallery. McManaman, Ferdinand and Savage. McManaman couldn't hide his bias if his life depended on it, Ferdinand thinks his opinion is more important than anyone else's and Savage is Savage.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on May 28, 2022, 01:32:24 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today. If Soucek is unsettled I wouldn’t be averse to a swap deal.

Yeah, no
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 28, 2022, 01:53:58 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today.

Now we have a DM I wouldn't be selling McGinn. His passing has driven me mad of late but hopefully he'll be higher up the pitch now.

It's a tricky one, love his attitude (as does Gerrard IMO) but selling McGinn for 50m would free up a lot of space wrt FFP. Could it be argued that Luiz has more upside ability wise if he has 1 or 2 DMs sitting behind protecting the defence? OTOH he has a tendency to lose runners from midfield which has cost us this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 28, 2022, 02:06:16 PM
I'd sell Luiz if he isn't gonna sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2022, 02:19:22 PM
I'd sell Luiz if he isn't gonna sign a new contract.
... and get Soucek in. different players but a net improvement in the MF options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 28, 2022, 02:24:04 PM
Luiz & Sanson will be on their way I’m sure. Still think we’ll add another midfielder too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 28, 2022, 02:54:42 PM
Sanson and Luiz out. Kamara and Bissouma in. Significant upgrade!

Probably at a cost of net £3m in fees.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2022, 03:03:53 PM
If we did decide to cash in on Ings, we could probably do a cash + player exchange deal to bring Bissouma in. We can then focus on bringing in Jonathan David or Darwin Nunez :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2022, 03:04:44 PM
I think Luiz will probably go to Roma.
I’ve a feeling Sanson will stay, though. Of course, I might very well be wrong

If another DM comes in then Marv will go as Iroegbunam will be the cover.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 28, 2022, 06:15:13 PM
I think it would do Iroegbunam good to go on loan to a Championship club football for a year so he can get regular football and start to look less raw.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 28, 2022, 07:18:35 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today. If Soucek is unsettled I wouldn’t be averse to a swap deal.

Yeah, no

Deano...?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Andy Poole on May 28, 2022, 07:29:38 PM
I'd sell Luiz if he isn't gonna sign a new contract.

I'd sell Dougie as there is a reason Man City didn't buy him back when they had the option.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 28, 2022, 07:32:58 PM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 28, 2022, 08:01:08 PM
If we did decide to cash in on Ings, we could probably do a cash + player exchange deal to bring Bissouma in. We can then focus on bringing in Jonathan David or Darwin Nunez :)

Reports today that Benfica will let Nunez go for £50m. Bayern, Plastic United, Liverpool among others.

Anybody know anything about VfB Stuttgart’s Sasa Kalajdzic who Benfica have lined up as a Núñez replacement? Maybe time to cut out the middleman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 28, 2022, 08:23:55 PM
Reports today that Benfica will let Nunez go for £5
Anybody know anything about VfB Stuttgart’s Sasa Kalajdzic who Benfica have lined up as a Núñez replacement? Maybe time to cut out the middleman.
Thomas Hitzelsberger probably does - we could ask!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 28, 2022, 08:27:17 PM
I think it would do Iroegbunam good to go on loan to a Championship club football for a year so he can get regular football and start to look less raw.

That’s a fair point.
I think we could do a lot worse than look towards Sunderland.
They will certainly want to strengthen their squad plus it would give the player big crowd experience.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 28, 2022, 09:10:34 PM
West Ham linked to a big bid for McGinn (£50m) today. If Soucek is unsettled I wouldn’t be averse to a swap deal.

Quite a few hammers fans around where I live and Soucek is their equivalent of Mcginn in the sense that all other football teams fans think they are great but there own fans aren’t convinced
( not me I love McGinn but you know what I’m saying)

Apparently he’s (Soucek) gone right off the boil
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on May 28, 2022, 10:42:50 PM
I wouldn't be suprised to see Luiz leaving.  If replaced by Bissouma we are ahead of the game. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 28, 2022, 11:53:38 PM
I think Luiz is worth keeping as an 8. He’s not a 6. But he can be useful and we’re trying to build a squad. He’s only just turned 24.

If he won’t sign a new contract (assuming one has been offered) or if he’s not prepared to fight for his place then move him on above what we paid for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 29, 2022, 12:55:35 AM
Rumours are Bissouma is going to West Ham to replace the retiring Noble. Quite an upgrade!

West Ham fans I know say the issue with Soucek is Moyes trying to sit him deeper alongside Rice, which is not his game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2022, 01:03:22 AM
We seem to have had a million defensive midfielders who don't want to be defensive midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 29, 2022, 02:58:09 AM
All these players have grown-up playing Fifa and want to be attacking all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 29, 2022, 08:38:56 AM
Rumours are Bissouma is going to West Ham to replace the retiring Noble. Quite an upgrade!

West Ham fans I know say the issue with Soucek is Moyes trying to sit him deeper alongside Rice, which is not his game.

A bit like us with McGinn and Luiz then Jim. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 29, 2022, 12:35:52 PM
Being linked with a 19-year old centre back that played for Peterbrough last season. Ronnie Edwards, who Spurs and Southampton are interested in too. Peterborough want £10m. I doubt we'll pay that when we're picking up other promising kids for about £250k.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 29, 2022, 01:07:14 PM
Being linked with a 19-year old centre back that played for Peterbrough last season. Ronnie Edwards, who Spurs and Southampton are interested in too. Peterborough want £10m. I doubt we'll pay that when we're picking up other promising kids for about £250k.

Looking at wiki, he played 34 times in the championship last season so his valuation is justifiably higher than most youth players.  No idea whether he’s £10m good though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 29, 2022, 01:54:36 PM
£10 million made up mostly of add-ons wouldn't be unreasonable. If he turns out to the next James Bree, they get two or three million quid. Useful to them, not the end of the world for us. If he goes on to establish himself as a Premier League centre half and, maybe, plays for England, £10 million would be perfectly fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on May 29, 2022, 02:48:51 PM
Rumours are Bissouma is going to West Ham to replace the retiring Noble. Quite an upgrade!

West Ham fans I know say the issue with Soucek is Moyes trying to sit him deeper alongside Rice, which is not his game.

More likely a replacement for Rice
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 29, 2022, 09:01:19 PM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 29, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board

Their record transfer fee is around £10m higher than ours.

It doesn't mean they spent it wisely, but it seems an odd criticism to throw.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan For Life on May 29, 2022, 11:06:59 PM
“Linked with”

Generally speaking it’s utter bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on May 30, 2022, 12:49:06 AM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board
west ham are a funny club. I used to watch their fans’ podcasts at the start of the season for a laugh. They were apoplectic with rage against GSB and hated the ‘London’ stadium. Strange how things turn out sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 30, 2022, 08:18:10 AM
Got a feeling there might be a striker coming on soon. There was talk about Phillips just before we signed Kamara, then of Tarkowski in the lead up to Diego Carlos, and now seeing lots of rumours of Suarez and (to a lesser extent) Mkhitaryan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2022, 10:31:25 AM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board
They landed Benrahma and Bowen - we were linked with both but seem to have baulked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 30, 2022, 10:45:11 AM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

Wish we'd have gone in for Bowen - Think he's a cracking player. Also, didn't his dad have links to Villa- Could be wrong?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board
They landed Benrahma and Bowen - we were linked with both but seem to have baulked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2022, 11:07:50 AM
So West Ham have been linked with Watkins and now McGinn, next week Mings?

That’s West Ham with their cheap skate scum bag board…they flirt with all types of players through their little London press pack but rarely show the bottle to do the deals….Moyes is doing amazing despite not because of his board
They landed Benrahma and Bowen - we were linked with both but seem to have baulked.
Wish we'd have gone in for Bowen - Think he's a cracking player. Also, didn't his dad have links to Villa- Could be wrong?

Yeah, Bowen seemed like a no brainer when we were fucking about with the likes of Wesley, Samatta, Baston, Keinan and Kodjia.

<edit to fix Nii's quote fail>
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2022, 11:59:47 AM
His Dad is a villa fan isn't he?

Exactly the type we've lacked in the squad since we came up, someone who can be direct option on left and play as CF when required and chip in with double figures.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 30, 2022, 01:28:15 PM
Suarez looking likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 30, 2022, 01:32:46 PM
Suarez looking likely.
He said if we offer him a contract he will bite our hand off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 30, 2022, 01:34:12 PM
Supposedly had a bid rejected for Kalidou Koulibaly, made before signing Diego Carlos
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 30, 2022, 01:34:25 PM
Suarez looking likely.

I'm in two minds about this. For a season, I don't suppose it would do any harm. Its a shame he's a tad unlikeable though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2022, 01:35:37 PM
I want a £100 million megastar up front, please. Don't mind signing Suarez but not if he is the only striker we sign.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 30, 2022, 01:39:05 PM
Supposedly had a £30m bid rejected for Kalidou Koulibaly

If that's true, then he's offing Mings and Konsa. Koulibaly is 30, him and Swede from Heartbreak Ridge will be first choice.

It would amount to some serious backing as well, the business is less a signal of intent, and more an elaborate launch party and firework display.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2022, 01:50:23 PM
Nearly 31, not sure about this. Though he seems pretty good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 30, 2022, 02:09:34 PM
I think he turned us down so we moved on to Carlos.  It won't be both.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 30, 2022, 02:13:14 PM
I want a £100 million megastar up front, please. Don't mind signing Suarez but not if he is the only striker we sign.

I don't see us getting a £100m megastar centre-forward without European football.  Unless it's of the "been there done that" variety.  Suarez was an absolute menace of a player, brilliant and tenacious, but also a horrible twat.  My concern is that at 35 he will have lost much of what made him an incredible player in the premier league while fully retaining the horrible twat bit.

Even at 80% of his premier league level, he'd be an asset for a year - but he left the Premier League behind EIGHT years ago, and last year was his worst scoring season since he moved to Liverpool 12 years ago.

It's not a signing that would particularly excite me, but if the club know enough to believe he can still be an asset for us next season, he'll get my full backing.  Sell Keinan to Forest for £10m and it probably pays his entire contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on May 30, 2022, 02:20:43 PM
I want a £100 million megastar up front, please. Don't mind signing Suarez but not if he is the only striker we sign.

I don't see us getting a £100m megastar centre-forward without European football.  Unless it's of the "been there done that" variety.  Suarez was an absolute menace of a player, brilliant and tenacious, but also a horrible twat.  My concern is that at 35 he will have lost much of what made him an incredible player in the premier league while fully retaining the horrible twat bit.

Even at 80% of his premier league level, he'd be an asset for a year - but he left the Premier League behind EIGHT years ago, and last year was his worst scoring season since he moved to Liverpool 12 years ago.

It's not a signing that would particularly excite me, but if the club know enough to believe he can still be an asset for us next season, he'll get my full backing.  Sell Keinan to Forest for £10m and it probably pays his entire contract.

To be honest, I think I would much rather see Keinan on the bench next season than a 35-year-old horrible twat.

But I think the emphasis is as much on 'raising the profile' this summer as it is on developing an effective squad. Don't get me wrong, I can see the benefits of us becoming a bit more recognisable in the footballing world, and those two things certainly aren't mutually exclusive, but I don't really see the benefit of Suarez at his age. The fact that I really don't like him doesn't help either, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 30, 2022, 02:23:41 PM
I'd be fine with Suarez for a season. However, I'm convinced (no reason, just gut instinct) that he's cover for something else. Just feels a bit too obvious and a bit too well publicised.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 30, 2022, 02:40:28 PM
I hope so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 30, 2022, 02:50:10 PM
Suarez would be the Terry signing for 2022. Might do a job for us but wouldn't be able to enjoy watching him play for us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 30, 2022, 03:00:07 PM
Emmanuel Dennis?
Any good? Only 10 goals last season but was for Watford.

Koulibaly is tremendous and I can see why we were interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2022, 03:01:25 PM
Lewandowski wants to leave Bayern Munich. That would be more like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 30, 2022, 03:07:40 PM
Suarez makes sense as a third striker, pre-European football I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 30, 2022, 03:13:15 PM
I’d love Suarez in but like someone else said I’d be considerably less impressed if we didn’t sign a more long term striker as well.

There was some Twitter talk about Dennis and Tarkowski, that’s why I asked about Dennis, I’d like to see Tarkowski in on a free though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 30, 2022, 03:14:48 PM
Emmanuel Dennis?
Any good? Only 10 goals last season but was for Watford.

Koulibaly is tremendous and I can see why we were interested.

No for me on Dennis, scored a decent amount but his touch and ability to bring other people ino play is a worse than Watkins and doesn't come with the herculean work rate to make up for it (to an extent).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on May 30, 2022, 03:26:57 PM
Suarez looking likely.

Source?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 30, 2022, 03:28:25 PM
Can we stop bloody signing all these South Americans? This exotic nonsense is giving me a headspin. Bring back Nicky Shorey and the like.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2022, 03:31:22 PM
Lewandowski wants to leave Bayern Munich. That would be more like it.

To join Barcelona though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 30, 2022, 03:32:39 PM
Lewandowski wants to leave Bayern Munich. That would be more like it.

To join Barcelona though.

He's fucking shit anyway. 😡
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Moonraker on May 30, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
Come on Villa, we havent signed a quality player for days now. Lange out....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 30, 2022, 04:19:22 PM
Emmanuel Dennis?
Any good? Only 10 goals last season but was for Watford.

Koulibaly is tremendous and I can see why we were interested.

No for me on Dennis, scored a decent amount but his touch and ability to bring other people ino play is a worse than Watkins and doesn't come with the herculean work rate to make up for it (to an extent).

Sounds pretty pointless then so let’s hope it’s BS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 30, 2022, 05:50:48 PM
Suarez would mark a welcome return to sweatband wearing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 30, 2022, 08:01:50 PM
And mouth guards.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 30, 2022, 08:03:39 PM
Suarez would mark a welcome return to sweatband wearing
He'd get us chomping at the bit, for sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on May 30, 2022, 08:06:50 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/t4bVSxQ/D32-AFC44-8-CF4-4-A0-B-BDEE-D361-DBBB6-EB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t4bVSxQ)


Sweat bands you say?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on May 31, 2022, 03:45:34 PM
Suarez would mark a welcome return to sweatband wearing
He'd get us chomping at the bit, for sure.

Colgate would pay half the wages and meat is murder the other half so not a bad signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2022, 04:51:34 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/t4bVSxQ/D32-AFC44-8-CF4-4-A0-B-BDEE-D361-DBBB6-EB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t4bVSxQ)


Sweat bands you say?

I can’t remember who the manager was, but didn’t he call Foster out for wearing the sweat band?

Along the lines of, Foster said it was to protect scar tissue, manager said load of boll**ks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 31, 2022, 05:43:04 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/t4bVSxQ/D32-AFC44-8-CF4-4-A0-B-BDEE-D361-DBBB6-EB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t4bVSxQ)


Sweat bands you say?

I can’t remember who the manager was, but didn’t he call Foster out for wearing the sweat band?

Along the lines of, Foster said it was to protect scar tissue, manager said load of boll**ks
Remember my (slightly rotund) mate at school coming to play football once with a sweatband on. Got mercilessly harangued with "Since when did you break in to a sweat?", then proceeded to me called Sweaty Terry for the rest of his time at school.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 31, 2022, 07:47:48 PM
Apparently we’ve been linked to Gareth Bale now!!!

Edit
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-real-madrid-transfer-24112149
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 07:52:38 PM
It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2022, 09:15:18 PM
Makes sense. 

The training ground is next to the Belfry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 09:15:52 PM
🙂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 31, 2022, 09:16:43 PM
Apparently we’ve been linked to Gareth Bale now!!!

Edit
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-real-madrid-transfer-24112149

Because the so reliable Tony Cascarino said he might come back to England to play for the likes of Newcastle or Villa.  Would certainly be a gamble, but fit, would be a really good player.  Shame he lost his motivation and took him the best part of half a season with Tottenham just to get fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 31, 2022, 09:25:06 PM
Apparently we’ve been linked to Gareth Bale now!!!

Edit
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-real-madrid-transfer-24112149
Not sure he'd be that use in the way we play, but he's a great player and would be an asset as long as his head's in the right place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on May 31, 2022, 09:32:26 PM
Birmingham Fail links? Imagine giving those rats a click.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2022, 09:33:00 PM
Still got a Villa wrist sweatband, I think from the 1980s. Think I've seen pictures of Withe wearing them, but when was the last time a footballer wore them in England?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 09:34:36 PM
Bertrand Traore wears Burkina Faso ones.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on May 31, 2022, 09:36:54 PM
Bertrand Traore wears Burkina Faso ones.

Ah yes. This makes it even more annoying that I didn't get Burkina Faso on Flagle the other day
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 31, 2022, 10:07:12 PM
Is Flagle Wordle for flags?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 31, 2022, 10:07:19 PM
Ah yes. This makes it even more annoying that I didn't get Burkina Faso on Flagle the other day

Not as annoying as the Heard and McDonald Islands "flag".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 11:08:42 PM
Yeah, that was total bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 31, 2022, 11:08:58 PM
Is Flagle Wordle for flags?

Yep. Don't bother doing today's, it'll piss you off. There'll be another one at midnight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 01, 2022, 12:38:40 AM
Apparently we’ve been linked to Gareth Bale now!!!

Edit
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-real-madrid-transfer-24112149

I wouldn’t rely (or click) on anything from that publication.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robbo1874 on June 01, 2022, 01:23:19 AM

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Sweat bands you say?
we need more sweatbands and mullets in the Prem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 01, 2022, 08:08:28 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/t4bVSxQ/D32-AFC44-8-CF4-4-A0-B-BDEE-D361-DBBB6-EB1.jpg) (https://ibb.co/t4bVSxQ)

Sweat bands you say?
we need more sweatbands and mullets in the Prem.
We really don't!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on June 01, 2022, 09:42:47 AM
I saw something linking us to Richarlison last night.

My gut reaction was that it was complete nonsense, as I've never seen much in him as a player. But someone pointed out he might be quite well suited to the sort of front 3 that we are going for - a Mane-type role. Life is too short to watch Everton play football, so I don't know where he's been playing for them. He gets into the Brazil team regularly though, so maybe there is more to him than I thought?

A few people suggested that Suarez might be a distraction for another forward - maybe this is it?

Don't think he wears sweatbands though, so there could be nothing in it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gerrin on June 01, 2022, 09:52:14 AM

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Sweat bands you say?

I'd forgotten he even played for Villa. Double checked, he was only with us for 8 months. Must've been a Graham Turner signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2022, 10:05:10 AM
If I remember correctly, and I usually dont, we sold him to Luton where he was keeping Paul Elliott out of the team, so we bought Elliott for a record fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2022, 10:05:36 AM
I saw something linking us to Richarlison last night.

My gut reaction was that it was complete nonsense, as I've never seen much in him as a player. But someone pointed out he might be quite well suited to the sort of front 3 that we are going for - a Mane-type role. Life is too short to watch Everton play football, so I don't know where he's been playing for them. He gets into the Brazil team regularly though, so maybe there is more to him than I thought?

A few people suggested that Suarez might be a distraction for another forward - maybe this is it?

Don't think he wears sweatbands though, so there could be nothing in it.

From what I know, he's much more effective coming in from the flank as opposed to playing directly up top as he was when Calvert Lewin was out, which is what we need.

I'm not a great fan but as you say, it's not a stretch to see him fitting our needs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 01, 2022, 10:07:45 AM
There was a photo of Foster on the front cover of the News & Record which had been photoshopped before there was photoshop, and it made him look like a bit of his head was missing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on June 01, 2022, 10:09:40 AM
I remember him being good at Brighton and again at Luton but if I saw him play here, I dont remember it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 01, 2022, 10:21:06 AM
I saw something linking us to Richarlison last night.

My gut reaction was that it was complete nonsense, as I've never seen much in him as a player. But someone pointed out he might be quite well suited to the sort of front 3 that we are going for - a Mane-type role. Life is too short to watch Everton play football, so I don't know where he's been playing for them. He gets into the Brazil team regularly though, so maybe there is more to him than I thought?

A few people suggested that Suarez might be a distraction for another forward - maybe this is it?

Don't think he wears sweatbands though, so there could be nothing in it.

From what I know, he's much more effective coming in from the flank as opposed to playing directly up top as he was when Calvert Lewin was out, which is what we need.

I'm not a great fan but as you say, it's not a stretch to see him fitting our needs.

I think he’d be great for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2022, 10:24:32 AM
All the current "links" seem to be some random nobody saying "Villa should have a look at x player", ie not an actual link at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 10:25:32 AM
Don't get the Richarlison hype and they'd want stupid money. Everton are always selling players for ridiculous amounts. Get Mbappe and make Real Madrid cry, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on June 01, 2022, 10:32:59 AM
All the current "links" seem to be some random nobody saying "Villa should have a look at x player", ie not an actual link at all.

I think you've massively underestimated the Richarlison links - this was some random nobody on Twitter...

To be fair, he seemed to call the Carlos deal before it happened, or at least that we were looking at a South American CB - how much was conjecture rather than actual info is anyone's guess. It could well be nothing, but it's been a bit quiet on this thread for a few days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2022, 10:51:15 AM
Don't get the Richarlison hype and they'd want stupid money. Everton are always selling players for ridiculous amounts. Get Mbappe and make Real Madrid cry, please.
No I am not in favour of Mbappe coming here as he wont be happy being cover for Davis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 01, 2022, 10:52:53 AM
All the current "links" seem to be some random nobody saying "Villa should have a look at x player", ie not an actual link at all.

I think you've massively underestimated the Richarlison links - this was some random nobody on Twitter...
I think you will find it's Richard Arlison they are linking. He also runs a transport company.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 01, 2022, 11:08:12 AM
All the current "links" seem to be some random nobody saying "Villa should have a look at x player", ie not an actual link at all.

I think you've massively underestimated the Richarlison links - this was some random nobody on Twitter...
I think you will find it's Richard Arlison they are linking. He also runs a transport company.

should help with movement
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2022, 11:18:25 AM
I think you've massively underestimated the Richarlison links - this was some random nobody on Twitter...

I think you will find it's Richard Arlison they are linking. He also runs a transport company.

That's the new coach sorted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 01, 2022, 11:39:09 AM
Don't get the Richarlison hype and they'd want stupid money. Everton are always selling players for ridiculous amounts. Get Mbappe and make Real Madrid cry, please.

Can't help thinking that your standards might be setting you up for disappointment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 01, 2022, 11:39:49 AM
Don't get the Richarlison hype and they'd want stupid money. Everton are always selling players for ridiculous amounts. Get Mbappe and make Real Madrid cry, please.

Can't help thinking that your standards might be setting you up for disappointment.

He is scottish, so....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2022, 12:33:45 PM
I'm not a fan of Richarlison, as much as anyone else there he sums up why Everton have been on a downward trend for a few years. At his best he's a good player but his best happens every 4 or 5 games and the rest of the time he's not worth a shirt. For me it would be a huge cost to get a brazilian version of Bertie.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 01, 2022, 12:36:52 PM
I'm not a fan of Richarlison, as much as anyone else there he sums up why Everton have been on a downward trend for a few years. At his best he's a good player but his best happens every 4 or 5 games and the rest of the time he's not worth a shirt. For me it would be a huge cost to get a brazilian version of Bertie.
At he's best he's excellent, but I agree with you I don't think his consistency or attitude is up to scratch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2022, 12:38:20 PM
It's hard to tell though when a player is in a genuinely shit team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2022, 12:47:38 PM
It's hard to tell though when a player is in a genuinely shit team.

True, but he's been inconsistent for them for 4 season, including one where they finished 8th.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nev on June 01, 2022, 12:49:05 PM
We have enough grumpy fuckers in the stand without adding one on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 01, 2022, 12:52:46 PM
All the current "links" seem to be some random nobody saying "Villa should have a look at x player", ie not an actual link at all.

I think you've massively underestimated the Richarlison links - this was some random nobody on Twitter...
I think you will find it's Richard Arlison they are linking. He also runs a transport company.

He'll come in handy then when we decide to park the bus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 01, 2022, 12:53:52 PM
Not sure about that one. He's half decent but i don't see him 'pushing us on' and i think we need a finisher / someone who can hold the ball up more than another creative wide player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on June 01, 2022, 12:54:57 PM
P.Pogba is available on a free....:)

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2022, 01:19:17 PM
I hate Richarlison. He's always frowning and spitting. Fuck off!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2022, 01:30:27 PM
If he scored enough goals, but he doesn’t, if he wasn’t such a dickhead, but he is, I wouldn’t mind him. But as it stands is a horrible, cheating twat and has hardly set the Premier division alight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 01:48:23 PM
Yeah, I still can't believe Everton turned down £85 million for him. Probably the stupidest peace of business since Howard Wilkinson agreed to give Man United the league in exchange for a million quid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2022, 01:48:58 PM
If he scored enough goals, but he doesn’t, if he wasn’t such a dickhead, but he is, I wouldn’t mind him. But as it stands is a horrible, cheating twat and has hardly set the Premier division alight.

I'll put you down as undecided then Steve!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 01, 2022, 02:15:23 PM
P.Pogba is available on a free....:)

UTV
The Doc

Would not want that back of sick any where near our club - i would not mind betting a lot of the ills at Redscum would be down to him

Over hyped bag of donkey spunk
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2022, 02:52:35 PM
P.Pogba is available on a free....:)

UTV
The Doc

Would not want that back of sick any where near our club - i would not mind betting a lot of the ills at Redscum would be down to him

Over hyped bag of donkey spunk

I suspect the problems there are very little to do with him.

He’s not performed there, but virtually every player who goes there fails. I suspect if he were at a well run club he’d be pretty bloody good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 01, 2022, 04:22:23 PM
You always see the good in people/players, Paul.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 01, 2022, 04:33:27 PM
Not keen on these Richarlison rumours - think hell be very expensive and no better than what we have, Phil McNulty reckons Suraz is a no go (which to be honest I am happy about)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 01, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
You always see the good in people/players, Paul.

Ha perhaps.

I just think when it comes to Manure it’s a pretty consistent pattern - they sign players who are highly rated, they clearly have no coherent strategy, the player then fails. There’s probably some responsibility on the players - not least choosing to go to that basket case. But I think it’s a club set up to fail, so I suspect it drags people down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on June 01, 2022, 04:37:26 PM
I hate Richarlison. He's always frowning and spitting. Fuck off!
Have you not seen Gerrard on the touchline? He's always flobbing and frowning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 01, 2022, 06:38:06 PM
I hate Richarlison. He's always frowning and spitting. Fuck off!

I hate Richarlison too! Not even going to try and justify it with a reason, just don't want him at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: martyn ellis on June 01, 2022, 06:43:24 PM
I can understand why there are some negative comments on Richarlison on here, but just because a player doesn't run around with a big smile on their face a la Son doesn't mean there's nothing to admire. Not saying I'd be first in the queue to welcome him, but from what I saw in the last few games that Everton played, he threw his heart and soul into trying to keep them up (the miserable bastard).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 01, 2022, 06:45:56 PM
He still has a scoring record similar to Watkins' and would cost twice as much. For sixty/seventy plus million I'd want someone incredibly good and there is nothing about him that makes me think he's it. Seems another one like Barkley, Rodwell, Fellaini, and numerous other mediocre players who would be sold at Everton Inflation Rates.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on June 01, 2022, 07:31:11 PM
It's a no from me, he's pretty shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2022, 07:32:36 PM
Richarlison has to be the biggest fanny to have ever played the game. Total and utter gimp the flatters (rarely) and does not deceive. Huge no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on June 01, 2022, 07:33:13 PM
No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 01, 2022, 07:36:27 PM
Richarlison has to be the biggest fanny to have ever played the game. Total and utter gimp the flatters (rarely) and does not deceive. Huge no.

If Carlsberg.....................
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on June 01, 2022, 10:51:30 PM
A massive fcuk off to Richarlison from me too. Not only is he shit, he’s also a cheating fcuker as well. Avoid at all costs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 02, 2022, 02:10:09 AM
Sergio Gomez left back
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 02, 2022, 07:54:56 AM
Express & Star saying Robin Olsen expected to come in for about £3m - looking to shift El Ghazi, Sanson, and Trez out. Fenerbache showing an interest in the latter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2022, 08:00:49 AM
They should all find somewhere, but Sanson especially could be a real player somewhere. Serie A? Or am I just saying that because of Veretout?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 02, 2022, 08:15:27 AM
They should all find somewhere, but Sanson especially could be a real player somewhere. Serie A? Or am I just saying that because of Veretout?

I still think Sanson could be great for us.

I’d love to see him get a proper run of games, as he’s always looked good when he played last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2022, 10:14:18 AM
Sanson is the one I think we should be holding on to, he's never had a decent run, even when he's looked decent in an appearance, he's then disappeared again after.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2022, 10:29:05 AM
I'm not sure I've ever seen him look much better than just okay. And he's always injured. Not sure why people are keen to keep him but force Bailey out the door when the latter has looked brilliant for us. Albeit, only really once.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 02, 2022, 11:05:26 AM
Sanson hasn't been fancied by 2 successive managers. He's had 18 months, so any problems he's still having settling in aren't likely to be solved over the next few months.

I think it's utterly reasonable to call time on his Villa career now. I'd sell him if we were offered something approaching what we paid for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 02, 2022, 11:10:55 AM
And if we're not?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on June 02, 2022, 11:20:29 AM
Milner ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on June 02, 2022, 12:08:35 PM
Sanson will be off on loan to a Ligue 1 club for a season I’d guess - not going to do his value any good being way down the pecking order here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2022, 12:10:07 PM
Sanson will be off on loan to a Ligue 1 club for a season I’d guess - not going to do his value any good being way down the pecking order here.

I reckon we'll just sell him. £10m or so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2022, 12:13:05 PM
I think he's a good player, but I don't quite see where he fits in to the system or the style. Maybe if McGinn picked up a long-term injury? But even then it's not quite the same role. He'll do really well at the right club though, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 02, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
And if we're not?
Then keep him. Sanson's fine as a squad player, I think. However, from our perspective that probably puts him around the £10m-£12m mark. Much better than that (ie what we paid for him) and I don't think he's done enough to warrant too much of a dilemma about keeping him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 02, 2022, 01:13:04 PM
Sanson is the one I think we should be holding on to, he's never had a decent run, even when he's looked decent in an appearance, he's then disappeared again after.

Rumours are he’s a bit of a bugger to manage. Throws his dummy out of the pram etc…. Maybe BS but 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 02, 2022, 02:08:19 PM
Sanson is the one I think we should be holding on to, he's never had a decent run, even when he's looked decent in an appearance, he's then disappeared again after.

Rumours are he’s a bit of a bugger to manage. Throws his dummy out of the pram etc…. Maybe BS but 🤷‍♂️

i think it's bollocks. He gets frustrated with himself. I want our players not to accept mediocrity
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 02, 2022, 03:47:04 PM
Sanson will definitely go.  I thought he looked decent at times, particulalry the Chelsea cup game, but Gerrard has chosen not to use him when there's been ample opportunity, so there must be something up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 02, 2022, 04:17:29 PM
Sanson will definitely go.  I thought he looked decent at times, particulalry the Chelsea cup game, but Gerrard has chosen not to use him when there's been ample opportunity, so there must be something up.

There’s seems to have been a concerted effort to convince Chuck to sign a contract, compared to giving Sanson a chance. He’s off
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Allan C on June 02, 2022, 04:25:26 PM
Sorry but Sanson has done little to justify us keeping him. When he’s played he’s been no more than ok. Added to that is that two managers now obviously don’t rate him. I’d sell him if a bid comes in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on June 02, 2022, 04:42:46 PM
Ramsey and Chuk are both ahead of Sanson in the pecking order, he will be gone as long as the right offer comes in, or he will go out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 02, 2022, 07:25:03 PM
He has no future two managers don’t fancy him - and we have already signed another midfielder.

Think he was just the wrong player, or the wrong time or both
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on June 02, 2022, 08:03:01 PM
He has no future two managers don’t fancy him - and we have already signed another midfielder.

Think he was just the wrong player, or the wrong time or both

Or maybe he just doesn’t listen or do as he is told?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 02, 2022, 08:54:58 PM
We're favourites to get Richarlison according to Birmingham Live. Please god no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on June 02, 2022, 09:20:44 PM
We're favourites to get Richarlison according to Birmingham Live. Please god no.

They are also "reporting" that we are at the front of line to sign Ben Mee.. no fuggin chance, he ain't welcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2022, 10:47:38 PM
We're favourites to get Richarlison according to Birmingham Live. Please god no.

Really? Richarlison is a quality player.

he's a diving whiney-faced ******, but he's also a very good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2022, 10:54:21 PM
Richarlison 43 goals in 135 games, rate 0.318
Watkins 25 goals in 72 games, rate 0.347
Ings 62 goals in 170 games, rate 0.365

Premier League only.

So not any upgrade and would cost trillions. He's massively overrated and then there's the Everton Inflation Factor to take into account.

No ta.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2022, 11:33:43 PM
We're favourites to get Richarlison according to Birmingham Live. Please god no.

Really? Richarlison is a quality player.

he's a diving whiney-faced ******, but he's also a very good player.

I can only echo this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2022, 11:34:40 PM
He's worse than Watkins, who everyone moans about. He would cost 60/70 million quid. If we are spending that much we should get someone amazing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2022, 11:37:58 PM
His touch is much better than Watkins, and he can beat his man one on one.

Watkins has other strengths, but they can play together as he prefers playing wider. That's why I think this might have legs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 02, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
Watkins had the best hold up play in the league the season before last. Richarlison has a worse scoring rate and, again, would cost 60 million minimum. There must be countless better strikers for that money. If we have money to burn, get Mbappe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2022, 11:43:50 PM
OK, sound.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 02, 2022, 11:55:17 PM
I think he's a good player, but I don't quite see where he fits in to the system or the style. Maybe if McGinn picked up a long-term injury? But even then it's not quite the same role. He'll do really well at the right club though, I'm sure.

Funnily enough Monty, from the glimpses we have seen of him this season, he has fitted in well to the midfield system Gerrard plays.  He seems well suited to the role McGinn and Ramsey play. 

That said, Gerrard clearly doesn't fancy him and the fact that Smith didn't either does suggest something.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 03, 2022, 12:36:27 AM
Richarlison 43 goals in 135 games, rate 0.318
Watkins 25 goals in 72 games, rate 0.347
Ings 62 goals in 170 games, rate 0.365

Premier League only.

So not any upgrade and would cost trillions. He's massively overrated and then there's the Everton Inflation Factor to take into account.

No ta.

Plays wide a lot of the time though, with DCL up the middle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2022, 01:14:00 AM
Even if that's the case, nothing about him screams £70 million striker to me. That should get you one of the top ten strikers on the planet.

I think in years to come he would be added to the Rodwell, Barkley, Gueye, Fellaini, Stones list of so-so players who Everton managed to get incredibly over the top transfer fees for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2022, 01:14:02 AM
I guess there is no max non-EU player rule now post Brexit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2022, 01:17:58 AM
I guess there is no max non-EU player rule now post Brexit.

There never was. The rule was, and remains, that you can't name more than 17 players who aren't "home grown" in a 25 man squad. "Home grown" doesn't necessarily mean you have to be from the team's country. For instance, Martinez is classed as home grown, deepite being Argentinian, as he spent the required minimum of two years before his 21st birthday playing in England.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 03, 2022, 01:29:43 AM
Ah ok. I thought there had been a rule or maximum imposed on non-EU at one point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 03, 2022, 01:43:54 AM
There was a three foreigners rule but way back in the nineties, as I recall. It became largely pointless when the EU adopted Freedom of Movement meaning they couldn't enforce it. It may have stumbled on for a little while being basically, as you say, three non-EU players but got scrapped eventually.

I think it only applied in European competition anyway, I remember we had to drop Bosnich and maybe one or two others for one of the Inter games but we could always play as many non-English players as we liked in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 03, 2022, 08:07:35 AM
There was a three foreigners rule but way back in the nineties, as I recall. It became largely pointless when the EU adopted Freedom of Movement meaning they couldn't enforce it. It may have stumbled on for a little while being basically, as you say, three non-EU players but got scrapped eventually.

I think it only applied in European competition anyway, I remember we had to drop Bosnich and maybe one or two others for one of the Inter games but we could always play as many non-English players as we liked in the league.

‘‘Twas a strange rule for sure. Domestically, Welsh, Scottish, Irish players, etc, fill your boots. But in European competition? Apparently not; they were classed as foreigners. Very confusing to me as one entity (FA or UEFA) didn’t seem to be working things correctly. If someone could explain the differentials I’d quite like to know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 03, 2022, 10:09:15 AM
These stinky Ben Mee rumours are still lingering. Surely not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on June 03, 2022, 10:36:16 AM
Regardless of the fact he’s a cunting thug, Ben Mee is not the type of player to take us to the next level
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 03, 2022, 10:39:12 AM
He's 33 in September. That alone should suggest that he's not one we would be looking at before we even look at the type of player he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 03, 2022, 10:41:32 AM
Unless we're expanding the backroom team and he's coming in as physio's assistant or jock-strap cleaning technician or summat, can't see it.

We won't be looking at him as a footballer, unless Gerarrd and Lange have been on the glue.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2022, 11:12:57 AM
These links to Ben Mee are utter drivel and clickbait nonsense.  Why would we plump for him, free or not, when there is a better version, four years younger, and free, in James Tarkowski?  Just not happening.  Other than he's a thug bastard stuff. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on June 03, 2022, 11:47:09 AM
Every agent with an ageing player on his books will be putting crap like this about, seeing if some club bites. We have enough older heads now surely hope we go for more younger quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 03, 2022, 12:02:52 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 03, 2022, 12:28:56 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.

I'd recruit him to put him in the hot dogs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 03, 2022, 12:42:56 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.

I'd recruit him to put him in the hot dogs.
After the horse meat scandal a few years ago i suppose donkey meat was the obvious next step.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 03, 2022, 01:45:27 PM
Can we shut up with the Ben Mee stuff please
I don’t want to hear any more about it

ah


Ah..:………stop it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on June 03, 2022, 04:12:23 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 03, 2022, 04:53:54 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on June 03, 2022, 04:55:53 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 03, 2022, 05:57:28 PM
The Robin Olsen deal is nearing according to Fabrizio on twitter.  Good second string keeper. Well thought of at the club as I understand.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 03, 2022, 06:09:30 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.

Not even if we could call it the 'Ben Mee Mega Chippy'?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 03, 2022, 06:22:53 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.

Not even if we could call it the 'Ben Mee Mega Chippy'?
Excellent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 03, 2022, 10:10:18 PM
I wouldn't recruit Ben Mee to sell the hot dogs.

Not even if we could call it the 'Ben Mee Mega Chippy'?

Ha!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 03, 2022, 11:10:33 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.

Watkins and Ings missed enough very decent chances to give us 10-15 more points last season. Signing a genuine 20-25 goal a season striker immediately takes pressure off the defence too. They cost a fair whack though, and are pretty hard to find.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 03, 2022, 11:34:45 PM
There was a three foreigners rule but way back in the nineties, as I recall. It became largely pointless when the EU adopted Freedom of Movement meaning they couldn't enforce it. It may have stumbled on for a little while being basically, as you say, three non-EU players but got scrapped eventually.

I think it only applied in European competition anyway, I remember we had to drop Bosnich and maybe one or two others for one of the Inter games but we could always play as many non-English players as we liked in the league.

‘‘Twas a strange rule for sure. Domestically, Welsh, Scottish, Irish players, etc, fill your boots. But in European competition? Apparently not; they were classed as foreigners. Very confusing to me as one entity (FA or UEFA) didn’t seem to be working things correctly. If someone could explain the differentials I’d quite like to know.

I think it's something to do with the Home Countries' insistence on having separate seats on the FIFA (or UEFA) board. The idea being that the rest of the world thinks that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland ought to compete under a UK banner, but the British associations do not. Hence them insisting that, if the international teams are separate, so are the players' registrations. Or something.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 04, 2022, 01:24:49 AM
There was a three foreigners rule but way back in the nineties, as I recall. It became largely pointless when the EU adopted Freedom of Movement meaning they couldn't enforce it. It may have stumbled on for a little while being basically, as you say, three non-EU players but got scrapped eventually.

I think it only applied in European competition anyway, I remember we had to drop Bosnich and maybe one or two others for one of the Inter games but we could always play as many non-English players as we liked in the league.

‘‘Twas a strange rule for sure. Domestically, Welsh, Scottish, Irish players, etc, fill your boots. But in European competition? Apparently not; they were classed as foreigners. Very confusing to me as one entity (FA or UEFA) didn’t seem to be working things correctly. If someone could explain the differentials I’d quite like to know.

I think it's something to do with the Home Countries' insistence on having separate seats on the FIFA (or UEFA) board. The idea being that the rest of the world thinks that England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland ought to compete under a UK banner, but the British associations do not. Hence them insisting that, if the international teams are separate, so are the players' registrations. Or something.

Ah I see. That would make sense in terms of the separate seats. Thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 04, 2022, 09:06:20 AM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.

Watkins and Ings missed enough very decent chances to give us 10-15 more points last season. Signing a genuine 20-25 goal a season striker immediately takes pressure off the defence too. They cost a fair whack though, and are pretty hard to find.

Yes we need to find one of those mythical strikers that never ever misses any chances. We will, of course, ignore games like Brighton where Watkins took the ball from his own half and smashed it in. Or Newcastle where Ings scored an overhead kick.

Watkins scored 11, expected goals 11.23.  Ings scored 7. Expected goals 7.6. I doubt those 0.83 goals would have got us 10-15 points.

The idea that they're constantly missing chances is a false narrative. Create more chances and they'll score more goals. Start by picking Buendia and Coutinho in the same team more often.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2022, 09:12:49 AM
We just need to teach Ollie Watkins to compose himself a little more and learn to trap a football. He's more Vassell than Yorke at times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on June 04, 2022, 10:14:36 AM
My eyes must be deceiving me then when Ollie hits it straight at the keeper or Ings skews it wide. Here’s some stats. In the Burnley game we had 22 shots and managed one goal. They’ve had their boots on the wrong feet all season. That either needs to get better or they need to be moved on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 04, 2022, 10:26:18 AM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.

Watkins and Ings missed enough very decent chances to give us 10-15 more points last season. Signing a genuine 20-25 goal a season striker immediately takes pressure off the defence too. They cost a fair whack though, and are pretty hard to find.

Yes we need to find one of those mythical strikers that never ever misses any chances. We will, of course, ignore games like Brighton where Watkins took the ball from his own half and smashed it in. Or Newcastle where Ings scored an overhead kick.

Watkins scored 11, expected goals 11.23.  Ings scored 7. Expected goals 7.6. I doubt those 0.83 goals would have got us 10-15 points.

The idea that they're constantly missing chances is a false narrative. Create more chances and they'll score more goals. Start by picking Buendia and Coutinho in the same team more often.

Yep. Claiming Watkins and Ings cost us 10-15 points last season is just drivel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 04, 2022, 10:53:07 AM
It's not so much Ollie's shooting that lets him down, more that his unreliable touch so often wastes promising positions. He'd get more clear-cut chances - and score more goals - if his technique was consistently better.

Having said that, I agree that every striker misses chances, and the most consistent ones are worth stupid money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 04, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
It's not so much Ollie's shooting that lets him down, more that his unreliable touch so often wastes promising positions. He'd get more clear-cut chances - and score more goals - if his technique was consistently better.

Having said that, I agree that every striker misses chances, and the most consistent ones are worth stupid money.

I agree that his touch should be better but then you can compare him to Keinan who has a really good first touch and close control but will never score as many PL goals  as Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 04, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
Just clone them together then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 04, 2022, 01:23:59 PM
Just clone them together then.

Hopefully it would work out better than 'Star Wars: Episode II'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 04, 2022, 01:48:45 PM
There is some gremlins on social media that our Steven is after Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Has anyone on here heard anything of the sort? I do hope there is absolutely no truth in this at all as he's total waste.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 04, 2022, 01:52:22 PM
I wouldn't worry about any links tbf, Our business since NSWE came in has taught me that the press have no idea who we are after until its pretty much done.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 04, 2022, 01:53:31 PM
There is some gremlins on social media that our Steven is after Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Has anyone on here heard anything of the sort? I do hope there is absolutely no truth in this at all as he's total waste.   

There was talk of sorts on Twitter last week or the week before.  I hold to the belief that it's bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 04, 2022, 01:56:14 PM
I wouldn't worry about any links tbf, Our business since NSWE came in has taught me that the press have no idea who we are after until its pretty much done.
Yep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 04, 2022, 02:02:50 PM
There is some gremlins on social media that our Steven is after Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain. Has anyone on here heard anything of the sort? I do hope there is absolutely no truth in this at all as he's total waste.   
Injuries have really held his career back - but I'd rather us play JJ and keep his development going than sign The Ox.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 04, 2022, 02:54:48 PM
NSWE must have some bloody good NDA's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 04, 2022, 05:30:04 PM
He’s a good player and would definitely help us if he could stay fit but seeing as his injury record is nearly as bad as Sturridge and he also looks like a bit of a surly fucker most of the time I’d sooner we look elsewhere I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 04, 2022, 10:46:40 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.

Watkins and Ings missed enough very decent chances to give us 10-15 more points last season. Signing a genuine 20-25 goal a season striker immediately takes pressure off the defence too. They cost a fair whack though, and are pretty hard to find.

Focusing on that one goal scoring striker rarely works out. Take Man United, from 92/93 until Van Nistelrooy arrived in 01/02, only once did their top scorer get more than 20 league goals. Yorke in 99/00. They won 6 league titles in that time. Despite Van Nistelrooy's goals, they weren't as successful really in his spell.

I think we need to focus more on how we get more goals as a team. Watkins poor hold up play is a bigger issue for our team than his lack of a clinical touch in front of goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 05, 2022, 03:10:50 AM
He’s a good player and would definitely help us if he could stay fit but seeing as his injury record is nearly as bad as Sturridge and he also looks like a bit of a surly fucker most of the time I’d sooner we look elsewhere I think.

Absolute no to Oxlade-Chamberlain for me and doubt very much that we would be in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 05, 2022, 07:39:23 AM
I'm hoping the days of being grateful to sign the Alex Oxlade-Chamberlains on bumper contracts so they can do fuck all are over for a while at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 05, 2022, 01:52:19 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 05, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
There were links to a young Spanish left back/left midfielder last week so they might be looking at those types. They seem to feel like Aaron Hickey is over-priced now and want someone of that ilk without a hefty price tag when Digne is going to be the first choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 05, 2022, 02:25:58 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

I want to sign him just for the name and the ensuing pun fest plus he's already won the French version of the FA Cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 05, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

I want to sign him just for the name and the ensuing pun fest plus he's already won the French version of the FA Cup.


that would be magic👀
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 05, 2022, 02:52:29 PM
A very enchanting gentleman, so I've heard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 05, 2022, 02:58:55 PM
I've heard his passing is very crisp.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 05, 2022, 03:33:24 PM
hang on , which way going with this , seems a bit smoke and mirrors
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2022, 03:41:08 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2022, 04:39:30 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2022, 04:42:47 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2022, 04:44:39 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.

Interesting that we are looking for a defender rather than a striker - Archer doesn't have much experience but Gerrard clearly trusts Camelot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 05, 2022, 04:48:21 PM
Fucking BOO.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2022, 04:48:45 PM
We just need a 20+ goals a season striker now. Any ideas ? Plus can't cost more than £60 m.

Those players are very rare nowadays.  Three, maybe four players getting 10+ should be the objective.

We did that with the Greasy Joe money. We need a proper striker now. Not a hard worker, not a team player, not one for the future - a proper striker.

Watkins and Ings missed enough very decent chances to give us 10-15 more points last season. Signing a genuine 20-25 goal a season striker immediately takes pressure off the defence too. They cost a fair whack though, and are pretty hard to find.

Yes we need to find one of those mythical strikers that never ever misses any chances. We will, of course, ignore games like Brighton where Watkins took the ball from his own half and smashed it in. Or Newcastle where Ings scored an overhead kick.

Watkins scored 11, expected goals 11.23.  Ings scored 7. Expected goals 7.6. I doubt those 0.83 goals would have got us 10-15 points.

The idea that they're constantly missing chances is a false narrative. Create more chances and they'll score more goals. Start by picking Buendia and Coutinho in the same team more often.

Yep. Claiming Watkins and Ings cost us 10-15 points last season is just drivel.

If we want to be challenging for europe we simply need to be better at taking key chances in games.

Look at final few....Watkins misses a one on one v Wolves. We score that and I don't think we lose and perhaps rouse ourselves to finish above Wolves.

Next week v Spurs Ings can't sort his feet out in first half and we don't score with our dominance. Son then brutally punishes us in second half.

Even v Liverpool Ings missed a presentable chance at 1-1 I think.

With Davis being sold and Archer seemingly going out on loan again then there will be space for another striker so interesting what sort of profile we go for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2022, 04:49:08 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.

Interesting that we are looking for a defender rather than a striker - Archer doesn't have much experience but Gerrard clearly trusts Camelot.

He brings more than just goals to the, err, round table
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2022, 04:53:09 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.

Interesting that we are looking for a defender rather than a striker - Archer doesn't have much experience but Gerrard clearly trusts Camelot.

Wrong call for me. Bedivere on the side of caution and bring in someone a bit more experienced.

Like if you were boosting defensive midfield. You'd go more Gana, than Iroegbunem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 05, 2022, 05:08:31 PM
Fucking BOO.

Great Fred MacAulay quote
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 05, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
It would be apt if Quentin was our fifth signing of the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: thick_mike on June 05, 2022, 05:49:18 PM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.

Interesting that we are looking for a defender rather than a striker - Archer doesn't have much experience but Gerrard clearly trusts Camelot.

He brings more than just goals to the, err, round table

He would be guaranteed a raptor-ous reception.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 05, 2022, 10:16:28 PM
This is the most cultured pun-fest in H&V's fabled history, I'd wager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: papa lazarou on June 05, 2022, 10:37:49 PM
He'd be alright for a spell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2022, 12:58:35 AM
Tenuous link to Quentin Merlin (20yo Nantes/France U21 left back) in the Mirror.

Need to enquire about Arthur from Juventus.

We should be looking at players of this excalibur

Disagree. Don't think he's Gawain to improve us much.

Interesting that we are looking for a defender rather than a striker - Archer doesn't have much experience but Gerrard clearly trusts Camelot.

Sorry, but that sounds like a bit of a lottery.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 06, 2022, 07:53:05 AM
This is the most cultured pun-fest in H&V's fabled history, I'd wager.

Have to admit it’s gone right over my head.
What on earth have these got to do with Quentin?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 06, 2022, 09:11:47 AM
This is the most cultured pun-fest in H&V's fabled history, I'd wager.

Have to admit it’s gone right over my head.
What on earth have these got to do with Quentin?

It's Summervilla isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 10:48:32 AM
Quentin Fortune. South-African midfielder that we were heavily linked with in 1999 before he joined ManUre.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 06, 2022, 03:58:12 PM
Just a question but how can we offer Luiz in exchange for Kean from Juventus when he's not even their player? If the media are just going to make shit up out of thin air you'd think they would do their homework.

His scoring record for Everton in the PL is something like 2 in 30 games, and last season for Juve it was something like 5 in 35 so i wouldn't be too enthusiastic about this one anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 04:38:25 PM
Moise? Hope he ends-up with his namesake at WHam.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2022, 06:50:13 PM
Milner wishes can now be dismissed (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61704658)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 06, 2022, 06:56:54 PM
Milner wishes can now be dismissed (http://Liverpool: James Milner agrees new one-year deal - https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61704658)

Good.  Great player, very professional, but I hope we move forward with another midfielder coming in.  If that's not Bissouma, fair enough, but hopefully another quality acquisition in midfield please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 06, 2022, 07:18:57 PM
Milner wishes can now be dismissed (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61704658)

Were we actually interested or did you just mention him because it's an anagram of 'Merlin'?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on June 06, 2022, 08:48:43 PM
Milner wishes can now be dismissed (https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/61704658)

Were we actually interested or did you just mention him because it's an anagram of 'Merlin'?
He was mentioned by a couple of people a few pages back, mostly in a wistful kind of way admittedly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 06, 2022, 09:45:34 PM
Don't want Milly, Gabby or Ash...let's move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 07, 2022, 12:11:39 PM
Seen a couple more slightly dubious links to a swap deal between Luiz and Moise Keane at Juventus. Whilst I will be delighted if we manage to move Luiz out (easily our most overrated midfielder) I wouldn’t be keen on that swap. Looked rubbish at Everton and clearly not wanted by Juve either. Must be some better players there we could switch with though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 07, 2022, 12:29:10 PM
So far just another day of cryptic clues, plays on words and downright bullshit from those utter ****** at the Birmingham Mail and others.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on June 07, 2022, 12:30:36 PM
The Ox from Liverpool has been mentioned. Could replace Traore on the treatment bench and keep Bailey company.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on June 07, 2022, 06:19:37 PM
So we either still have Bissouma at the top of our wanted list (Ashley Preece) or are no longer interested in him (Greg Evans). Both in the last hour. So glad we did some great business early and don't have to put up with all this garbage over every player likely to move this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 07, 2022, 06:34:31 PM
As much as I would like to believe we still wanted Bissouma, The Athletic is more reliable and isn't as clickbaity as the Mail.

I think one of the reasons we didn't make more effort to get Bissouma in January was because we had hopes of signing Kamara.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2022, 12:35:47 AM
I don't believe either of them.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2022, 12:45:46 AM
So we either still have Bissouma at the top of our wanted list (Ashley Preece) or are no longer interested in him (Greg Evans).

Schrödinger's DM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2022, 04:16:31 AM
I don't believe either of them.



Correct. If we have learned anything at all about this management team is that little ever gets out into the public space. One day there will be a deal struck and nobody will have been any the wiser.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on June 08, 2022, 06:52:38 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 08, 2022, 07:43:43 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 08, 2022, 07:57:29 AM
Sounds like Matt Targett's off to Newcastle for £12m. (Daily Mail)

Thought he might have gone for a bit more than that, but I'd imagine that means there's a backup left back in the pipeline.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on June 08, 2022, 08:00:32 AM
Sounds like Matt Targett's off to Newcastle for £12m. (Daily Mail)

Thought he might have gone for a bit more than that, but I'd imagine that means there's a backup left back in the pipeline.

In the current market that price is giving Target away. It would cost at least that much to replace him in the squad with a rookie.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 08, 2022, 08:05:47 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
Don’t think they will be over worried about us at the sec - but he is our captain currently so it does make sense
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 08:37:39 AM
Sounds like Matt Targett's off to Newcastle for £12m. (Daily Mail)

Thought he might have gone for a bit more than that, but I'd imagine that means there's a backup left back in the pipeline.

In the current market that price is giving Target away. It would cost at least that much to replace him in the squad with a rookie.

12 mil for a first choice premier league fullback that has improved them considerably and it’s to the richest club in the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 08, 2022, 08:42:42 AM
I doubt it would be for as little as £12m when we paid more than that for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 08:48:27 AM
I doubt it would be for as little as £12m when we paid more than that for him.


I’ve heard it’s 15mil, when you include the loan fees and add ons.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 10:06:26 AM
I doubt it would be for as little as £12m when we paid more than that for him.


I’ve heard it’s 15mil, when you include the loan fees and add ons.
But the loan fee is in the past.

Here an dnow he's worth £15m+ straight at the very least.  If we can't get that I'd hang on to him as we won't get a quality back up left back for less.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 10:08:46 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure giving us significantly more than a player is worth is really disrupting us that much tbh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2022, 10:09:44 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure giving us significantly more than a player is worth is really disrupting us that much tbh.

Joe, Delph, Barry, Milner
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 10:12:00 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 08, 2022, 10:18:03 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Yeah, but the last two in that list were as much about taking our best player and getting us out of the way as they were about the player themselves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2022, 10:19:47 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure giving us significantly more than a player is worth is really disrupting us that much tbh.

They are probably terrified we may charge from 14th position to challenge them pretty soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2022, 10:20:53 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2022, 10:47:56 AM
Moise Kean is wanted by Aston Villa who are "on his trail" & have asked for information. Juventus have an obligation to buy from Everton & will sell him this summer. They would be "intrigued" by a swap deal for Douglas Luiz, who they targeted in January ✍️ [
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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?

Having just signed a new contract. Release clause perhaps.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2022, 11:01:39 AM
I imagine if someone did come in with an offer for Mings that was too good to turn down, we would just go and get Bassey for half the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2022, 11:13:14 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?

Having just signed a new contract. Release clause perhaps.

No "perhaps" about it, how could you forget the "summer of the snake"?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.
I'm not sure giving us significantly more than a player is worth is really disrupting us that much tbh.

Joe, Delph, Barry, Milner

When they pounced for Stuart Taylor was The Day The Music Died, for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on June 08, 2022, 11:38:24 AM
Apart from signing four of our captains in the last decade or so, the way Man City do business is fucking appalling. Player is tapped up and personal terms agreed (they never get pinged for this) story leaked to their outriders in the press about the player for weeks, and then the official bid. It’s how they operate and they’re a bunch of fucking scumbags.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 11:39:30 AM
I imagine if someone did come in with an offer for Mings that was too good to turn down, we would just go and get Bassey for half the money.

Probably half as good a player TBF
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2022, 11:40:19 AM
Stuart Taylor and Scott Carson must have some proper bantz about how they've taken association football for a good old ride over the years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
Apart from signing four of our captains in the last decade or so, the way Man City do business is fucking appalling. Player is tapped up and personal terms agreed (they never get pinged for this) story leaked to their outriders in the press about the player for weeks, and then the official bid. It’s how they operate and they’re a bunch of fucking scumbags.

I thought this was par for the course for most transfers of higher profile players.. murky waters
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 11:50:14 AM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 08, 2022, 11:52:41 AM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management

Yes, because the one thing our management is known for is its amateur approach to transfer deals. Deary me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 11:53:17 AM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?

Having just signed a new contract. Release clause perhaps.
I believe Delph was unfairly treated.  He signed his new contract and then I think the club pushed him out as we wanted the money.  Signing that contract cost him a big signing on fee and a huge amount of hatred from Villa fans.  It made us several million quid we otherwise wouldn't have got.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 08, 2022, 11:55:56 AM
I believe Delph was unfairly treated.  He signed his new contract and then I think the club pushed him out as we wanted the money.  Signing that contract cost him a big signing on fee and a huge amount of hatred from Villa fans.  It made us several million quid we otherwise wouldn't have got.

That was my take on it as well but Villa fans do like a good Judas/snake/rat narrative.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 11:57:11 AM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management

Yes, because the one thing our management is known for is its amateur approach to transfer deals. Deary me.

A team that’s looking certs for relegation, just get taken over by the richest owners on the planet and are desperate for reinforcements in January and we help em out and give ‘em a discounted price.

Oh well it ain’t my money 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2022, 12:19:21 PM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?

Having just signed a new contract. Release clause perhaps.
I believe Delph was unfairly treated.  He signed his new contract and then I think the club pushed him out as we wanted the money.  Signing that contract cost him a big signing on fee and a huge amount of hatred from Villa fans.  It made us several million quid we otherwise wouldn't have got.

It’s more the fact that he changed his mind, kissed the badge and proclaimed his status as captain and then turned his back on us. It’s one thing had he just left, but it’s the manner of the departure. Much like Joe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2022, 12:21:31 PM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management

They apparently paid a loan fee of £2-3m that is now included as part of the final fee, i.e. £15m which means they've £12m to pay.

I'd like to keep him as back up, but the reality is he wouldn't be first choice and isn't going to get any better. We need someone younger, with scope to improve, both in terms of quality and price. I'm not sure he's worth much more to us, but clearly is to them.

Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 12:28:37 PM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management

They apparently paid a loan fee of £2-3m that is now included as part of the final fee, i.e. £15m which means they've £12m to pay.

I'd like to keep him as back up, but the reality is he wouldn't be first choice and isn't going to get any better. We need someone younger, with scope to improve, both in terms of quality and price. I'm not sure he's worth much more to us, but clearly is to them.

Good luck to him.

Indeed, an average player that became very decent a couple of seasons ago. When I’ve watched him for Newcastle he seems his old self again. I can see why he'd want off though at his age
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 08, 2022, 12:29:39 PM
Silly story I read this morninh was City bidding for Mings for 50 million. He'd never be a regular starter but would probably disrupt us a little bit - not that I believe the story.
Disrupting other clubs is part of Man City's policy as far as I can tell.

They also disrupt us by palming off second choice players on big wages for OTT fees - see Dunne and Ireand. This seems more like the reverse of that - taking £50m off them to make their defence worse, and buying a better player would benefit us more than them. Not that I want to sell Mings (would keep him to compete with the new signings) but for £50m we would be silly not to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 12:35:51 PM
I think the fees for all of them were about right tbh.

Didn't we only get 8m for Delph?

Having just signed a new contract. Release clause perhaps.
I believe Delph was unfairly treated.  He signed his new contract and then I think the club pushed him out as we wanted the money.  Signing that contract cost him a big signing on fee and a huge amount of hatred from Villa fans.  It made us several million quid we otherwise wouldn't have got.

It’s more the fact that he changed his mind, kissed the badge and proclaimed his status as captain and then turned his back on us. It’s one thing had he just left, but it’s the manner of the departure. Much like Joe.
Did he change his mind though?  I believe the club wanted the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 12:49:49 PM
For us to be flogging Targett for 12-15 mil, there must have been a fee pre-agreed and we’ve been haggling over installments.

Very poor from our management

They apparently paid a loan fee of £2-3m that is now included as part of the final fee, i.e. £15m which means they've £12m to pay.

I'd like to keep him as back up, but the reality is he wouldn't be first choice and isn't going to get any better. We need someone younger, with scope to improve, both in terms of quality and price. I'm not sure he's worth much more to us, but clearly is to them.

Good luck to him.
If they have an option to buy him at a fixed price, then fair enough.  If not, I don't see why we would knock off the loan fee from the market value as at todays date.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on June 08, 2022, 12:59:15 PM
Nobody, not matter how desperate, is going to pay £20m+ for Matt Target. We paid £11m & we get £15m back. Seems a sensible deal to me.

Now let's get another left back in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 08, 2022, 01:01:09 PM
I imagine that as soon as the Targett deal is done another player will be signed as replaced very quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 08, 2022, 01:20:56 PM
Nobody, not matter how desperate, is going to pay £20m+ for Matt Target. We paid £11m & we get £15m back. Seems a sensible deal to me.

Now let's get another left back in.

The book value will have decreased as well via amortisation. If we paid £11m and he had a 5 year contract, he will now be down as £4.4m, so will represent +10m for ffp. I would imagine any incoming younger player will be on lower wages too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 08, 2022, 01:21:51 PM
Not sure how many games a player like Targett would get for us as backup leftback who's not able to play in any other position.  Think it makes more sense to either get a much younger player who'd potentially replace Digne in 3-4 seasons. Or a player like Calvin Bassey, who could offer cover in central defence too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 01:43:08 PM
I suspect the Bassey deal may happen, but with us who knows until it happens.

One things for sure if we do sign Bassey Tyrone’s position will have some competition too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 01:54:04 PM
Basseys stats for aerial challenges are woeful.  If we sign him I'm sure it will be for left back cover only except in absloute emergency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 08, 2022, 01:56:03 PM
I suspect the Bassey deal may happen, but with us who knows until it happens.

One things for sure if we do sign Bassey Tyrone’s position will have some competition too.

Isn''t Bassey a left back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 08, 2022, 02:00:42 PM
‘Newcastle World’, whatever the fuck that is, claiming ‘Newcastle target to have medical at Everton in blow to Aston Villa’

Errr, OK.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 02:09:13 PM
I suspect the Bassey deal may happen, but with us who knows until it happens.

One things for sure if we do sign Bassey Tyrone’s position will have some competition too.

Isn''t Bassey a left back?

Left sided defender CB or fullback. When I’ve watched him he seems a bit Micah Richards (take from that what you will, let’s hope if he joined it ends up better)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 02:19:59 PM
He's a left back.  He has played centre back in the past, but mainly left back for the last few years and he's on record as saying that's where he wants to play.  It's also why he left Leicester's academy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 08, 2022, 02:21:50 PM
He's a left back.  He has played centre back in the past, but mainly left back for the last few years and he's on record as saying that's where he wants to play.  It's also why he left Leicester's academy.

Think Van Brockhurst has been playing him in the left side central role. Our old player Hutton has been moaning about it hampering his progress as he thinks he’s a full back too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2022, 03:27:14 PM
Say it quietly but I think Bassey's played on the left of a 3 this season. He's got the build of a centre back from what I've seen so wouldn't be surprised if he gradually became more of a centre back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 08, 2022, 03:37:05 PM
Really wish I knew some Shirley Bassey songs right now
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 08, 2022, 03:37:12 PM
Say it quietly but I think Bassey's played on the left of a 3 this season. He's got the build of a centre back from what I've seen so wouldn't be surprised if he gradually became more of a centre back.
That's interesting. Suspect that we'll be moving in to more a formation where Kamara (or whoever) drops back when Digne & Cash push forward in a hybrid 4-4-2 (defending)/3-5-2 (attacking) formation. In that instance a player who could fill left back, central defence, or left side of a 3 would be ideally suited.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 08, 2022, 04:07:39 PM
I like the look of that other left-back we were linked with, Sergio Gomez I think? Off to find a YouTube comp.

Edit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0DAPvdojVg
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 08, 2022, 04:08:00 PM
Top 10 most expensive Aston Villa signings:

COUTINHO (£18M)
BENT (£19.35M
MINGS (£20M)
WESLEY (£22.5M
INGS (£26.48M)
DIGNE (£27M)
CARLOS (£27.9M)
BAILEY (£28.8M)
WATKINS (£30.6M)
BUENDIA (£34.56M)

So...... will Coutinho and Bent still be on the list at the end of the window?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2022, 04:10:34 PM
I'm not sure we will do the Bassey move. If they really want £25m for him, I can't see us spending that six months after we bought Digne. Aside from the price, he'd be great and a good fit. I just don't think they'll spend that money on him.

If we still want another midfielder or striker, that money and more would be better spent there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 08, 2022, 04:11:05 PM
Nobody, not matter how desperate, is going to pay £20m+ for Matt Target. We paid £11m & we get £15m back. Seems a sensible deal to me.

Now let's get another left back in.

The book value will have decreased as well via amortisation. If we paid £11m and he had a 5 year contract, he will now be down as £4.4m, so will represent +10m for ffp. I would imagine any incoming younger player will be on lower wages too.

Agree with both of you. He was 'gone' once he went to Newcastle on loan so best for all involved that he's moved on at a profit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 08, 2022, 04:17:32 PM
I like the look of that other left-back we were linked with, Sergio Gomez I think? Off to find a YouTube comp.

Edit:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f0DAPvdojVg

I think the only position he doesn't play is in goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 08, 2022, 04:28:08 PM
Top 10 most expensive Aston Villa signings:

COUTINHO (£18M)
BENT (£19.35M
MINGS (£20M)
WESLEY (£22.5M
INGS (£26.48M)
DIGNE (£27M)
CARLOS (£27.9M)
BAILEY (£28.8M)
WATKINS (£30.6M)
BUENDIA (£34.56M)

So...... will Coutinho and Bent still be on the list at the end of the window?

No!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 04:55:54 PM
Now we probbaly need a back up left back unless we're going to rely on Young?  If so I reckon that Targett at Newcastle for about £12m would be a decent shout.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 08, 2022, 05:11:38 PM
Now we probbaly need a back up left back unless we're going to rely on Young?  If so I reckon that Targett at Newcastle for about £12m would be a decent shout.

He’s tainted now though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 08, 2022, 05:50:45 PM
Now we probbaly need a back up left back unless we're going to rely on Young?  If so I reckon that Targett at Newcastle for about £12m would be a decent shout.

I would hope we've better targets in mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 08, 2022, 06:10:00 PM
Dunno about better but certainly more suited to playing the style our manager wants from our fullbacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2022, 06:16:32 PM
Do many clubs have back up full backs who just play one position, now? Seems like if we get Bassey, we could have someone who is content to bide his time, which Targett wasn't, can cover multiple positions and is much younger, giving lots of room to improve. All while making a profit. I liked Targett, but I can't say the latest developments concern me much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on June 08, 2022, 06:17:39 PM
Now we probbaly need a back up left back unless we're going to rely on Young?  If so I reckon that Targett at Newcastle for about £12m would be a decent shout.

To be honest I don’t think a player valued at around the £15m we got for him is going to come here and sit on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 08, 2022, 08:02:56 PM
Obviously I'm messing about, he didn't want to stay and that's that, but he could have been useful.

I'm not sure why an up and coming fullback like Bassey or Hickey would consider coming to sit behind Digne though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 08, 2022, 08:12:39 PM
Do many clubs have back up full backs who just play one position, now? Seems like if we get Bassey, we could have someone who is content to bide his time, which Targett wasn't, can cover multiple positions and is much younger, giving lots of room to improve. All while making a profit. I liked Targett, but I can't say the latest developments concern me much.

Same here, my only concern is that so far we haven't much luck signing players named after Protestant theologians called John.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 08, 2022, 09:13:42 PM
Obviously I'm messing about, he didn't want to stay and that's that, but he could have been useful.

I'm not sure why an up and coming fullback like Bassey or Hickey would consider coming to sit behind Digne though.

Bassey can also play centre half, and Hickey can play right back and, I think, further forward, too. So they may believe they've a better chance of getting a look-in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 08, 2022, 09:14:28 PM
I know of no theologians called Bassey but I've heard of a great band leader of that name (phonetically at least) so let's swing into this with a more positive attitude please.  Probably wouldn't be happy to bench warm all season but if he's capable at both LB and LCB he will get probably 15/20 games even if he is 2nd choice for both.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 08, 2022, 09:53:57 PM
Gerrard has previously said that he wants 2 players competing for the same position because he wants a squad that go deep into the cup competitions and he wants us in Europe where we would then have 2/3 games a week.

The balancing act is recognising talent in the youth sides and making sure you don't block it. Digne's a great age because it will give players like Chrisene and the young left back who plays for England at youth level, who's name I've forgotten, time to develop.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 09, 2022, 08:12:16 AM
🇹🇷 Trabzonspor are in talks with Aston Villa about signing forward Trezeguet. Other clubs from Turkey, Spain, England and Italy are also interested. [@Ekremkonur] #AVFC
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2022, 08:40:00 AM
Obviously I'm messing about, he didn't want to stay and that's that, but he could have been useful.

I'm not sure why an up and coming fullback like Bassey or Hickey would consider coming to sit behind Digne though.

Bassey can also play centre half, and Hickey can play right back and, I think, further forward, too. So they may believe they've a better chance of getting a look-in?
I don't know if he's grown up a bit since, but I heard an interview with his former U23 coach from Leicester and at the time Bassey really didn't want to play centre back - it's why he left.  Perhaps the draw of Villa (and money) will mean he may be more pragmatic about being more versatile cover to get some gametime.  But looking at his stats, I really do worry about him being centre back in a back 4 in anything other than an absolute emergency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lescottstweets on June 09, 2022, 08:43:39 AM
Birmingham Mail with an article that Gabby thinks we should sign Bale. Quality player but not sure he’s the right fit
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2022, 08:54:06 AM
Bale I imagine is just looking to tick over to get the World Cup. I don’t think that is what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 08:55:54 AM
Yeah I can see him having a few months at Cardiff and retiring from club football either in November or May.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 09, 2022, 09:03:13 AM
I'd absolutely love to watch Bale in a Villa shirt, but I don't think it would be right for us or him and certainly not worth the money.

I do think he's wasted the last few years of his career and struggle to understand that mentality when he's already wealthy beyond all reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on June 09, 2022, 09:12:11 AM
I'd absolutely love to watch Bale in a Villa shirt, but I don't think it would be right for us or him and certainly not worth the money.

I do think he's wasted the last few years of his career and struggle to understand that mentality when he's already wealthy beyond all reason.

I think he's most likely just a complete cock.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 09:21:38 AM
I'd absolutely love to watch Bale in a Villa shirt, but I don't think it would be right for us or him and certainly not worth the money.

I do think he's wasted the last few years of his career and struggle to understand that mentality when he's already wealthy beyond all reason.

In fairness, he wanted to play for Real Madrid but they didn't pick him. He was happy to go to China to get regular football, but Real got greedy and pulled the plug at the last minute.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 09, 2022, 09:26:09 AM
I feel he would be our Ginola signing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 09:28:46 AM
I'd absolutely love to watch Bale in a Villa shirt, but I don't think it would be right for us or him and certainly not worth the money.

I do think he's wasted the last few years of his career and struggle to understand that mentality when he's already wealthy beyond all reason.

In fairness, he wanted to play for Real Madrid but they didn't pick him. He was happy to go to China to get regular football, but Real got greedy and pulled the plug at the last minute.

And that's pretty much the point where he just seemed to say 'fuck this'.

I salute him, in the words of his compatriots, the man don't give a fuck.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 09:54:32 AM
Well, yeah. I always thought, and still think, he's a twat. But I warmed to him when those greedy idiots Real Madrid got pissed off by him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2022, 09:54:44 AM
I'd absolutely love to watch Bale in a Villa shirt, but I don't think it would be right for us or him and certainly not worth the money.

I do think he's wasted the last few years of his career and struggle to understand that mentality when he's already wealthy beyond all reason.

In fairness, he wanted to play for Real Madrid but they didn't pick him. He was happy to go to China to get regular football, but Real got greedy and pulled the plug at the last minute.

And that's pretty much the point where he just seemed to say 'fuck this'.

I salute him, in the words of his compatriots, the man don't give a fuck.

I also have a begrudging respect for him. Maybe he's just really good at something that he doesn't really love anymore? It happens. How many people have ever got to say 'FUCK YOU' to Real Madrid? Whilst also bleeding them dry? Fair play.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 09:56:20 AM
I feel he would be our Ginola signing

Wasn't Ginola our Ginola signing?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 09, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
I feel he would be our Ginola signing

Wasn't Ginola our Ginola signing?


ha ha , yes sorry long morning Ginola MK 2
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 09:58:50 AM
Yeah that's my take it on it, too. Great player, but that ship has sailed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 09, 2022, 09:59:18 AM
The other problem with Bale is that assuming the World Cup is his goal then unlike most players his level of performance and form is completely irrelevant to him being selected. He essentially just needs to stay fit and he’ll be selected. Again doesn’t scream of the ideal circumstance for us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2022, 10:04:00 AM
Ginola... what a man. As it's Pride I'd turn for him. Might have to do some convincing though as I'm not sure fat gingers are his thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 10:05:37 AM
He's a handsome chap but he's no Tyrone Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 10:06:57 AM
Ginola... what a man. As it's Pride I'd turn for him. Might have to do some convincing though as I'm not sure fat gingers are his thing.

You never know, ginger is niche to the galic types
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2022, 10:07:44 AM
Tyrone is a good looking bastard but can he keep his concentration up for my Sting like sessions though?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2022, 10:09:23 AM
Ginola... what a man. As it's Pride I'd turn for him. Might have to do some convincing though as I'm not sure fat gingers are his thing.

You never know, ginger is niche to the galic types

I didn't know this. Damn I've been looking in all the wrong places.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 10:11:00 AM
Tyrone is a good looking bastard but can he keep his concentration up for my Sting like sessions though?

Fucking hell mate, you into that Tantric shit too eh?  :o
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 09, 2022, 10:16:38 AM
Tyrone is a good looking bastard but can he keep his concentration up for my Sting like sessions though?

Fucking hell mate, you into that Tantric shit too eh?  :o

Depends how 'in practice' I am.

By the way, sorry people, not sure if you can tell but there haven't been any solid links.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 09, 2022, 10:17:52 AM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 09, 2022, 10:20:47 AM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 10:57:22 AM
I have a bad feeling about this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 09, 2022, 10:59:42 AM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Isn't he going to New York City?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 09, 2022, 11:34:26 AM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 11:41:15 AM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.

He could help guide Archer with his experience, little instructions like " Don't stand so close to me"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 11:50:14 AM

He could help guide Archer with his experience, little instructions like " Don't stand so close to me"

As an aside, what a horrible noncey song that is. Prince Andrew would be proud.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 11:57:50 AM

He could help guide Archer with his experience, little instructions like " Don't stand so close to me"

As an aside, what a horrible noncey song that is. Prince Andrew would be proud.

I've never listened past the chorus, but given the stalker sentiment of "Every breath" it's no surprise.

I am however a bit obsessed with "When the world is running down.." off that album
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 09, 2022, 12:02:52 PM

He could help guide Archer with his experience, little instructions like " Don't stand so close to me"

As an aside, what a horrible noncey song that is. Prince Andrew would be proud.

I've never listened past the chorus, but given the stalker sentiment of "Every breath" it's no surprise.

I am however a bit obsessed with "When the world is running down.." off that album

Apparently when talking about the song he said: "His recollection was that he'd "been through the business of having 15-year-old girls fancying me - and my really fancying them! How I kept my hands off them I don't know."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 09, 2022, 12:06:12 PM
Strange how some people in showbiz can get away with it and others get slaughtered.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on June 09, 2022, 12:59:40 PM
Birmingham Mail....Gabby thinks...
Lost me at that point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on June 09, 2022, 01:00:46 PM

He could help guide Archer with his experience, little instructions like " Don't stand so close to me"

As an aside, what a horrible noncey song that is. Prince Andrew would be proud.

I've never listened past the chorus, but given the stalker sentiment of "Every breath" it's no surprise.

I am however a bit obsessed with "When the world is running down.." off that album

Apparently when talking about the song he said: "His recollection was that he'd "been through the business of having 15-year-old girls fancying me - and my really fancying them! How I kept my hands off them I don't know."

It's a very rickety bridge male teachers can sometimes find themselves on.  In his first job after leaving uni, my son was presented with a letter from a fourteen-year-old; I think she was, listing all the things she would like him to do to her. 

We asked did he present it to the principal? To which he replied ' straight away, let them deal with it '.  IIRC her parents were called in.

It's a pity he couldn't keep it, he could have filed it alongside the note he got from a mother of a kid at his next school (he only did a year at the first) asking for her son to be excused from games lessons as 'he had been shot on his way home the day before'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 09, 2022, 01:06:19 PM
No to Bale for me. He was largely a waste of time at Tottenham 2 years ago, including coming on as a sub when they were 3-0 up, wasting a chance and then seeing the opposition pull it back to 3-3 all within about 20 mins if i remember correctly. He's just a fucking poser these days for the most part.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on June 09, 2022, 01:14:15 PM
No to Bale for me. He was largely a waste of time at Tottenham 2 years ago, including coming on as a sub when they were 3-0 up, wasting a chance and then seeing the opposition pull it back to 3-3 all within about 20 mins if i remember correctly. He's just a fucking poser these days for the most part.

I'd agree that I don't think we should go for him; very expensive and openly admitted he's basically just keeping ticking over for the world cup. His time at Spurs wasn't a complete disaster though. 16 goals in 34 games is pretty good going, especially when you consider most of those were subs (he averaged a goal every 100mins or so).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 09, 2022, 01:41:10 PM
To be fair I didn’t realise he’d scored that many, I only watched a few times and he generally looked like he was just muddying the waters a bit from an attacking sense. Must have done better in the games I didn’t watch then :-)
Still a no though !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 09, 2022, 01:51:49 PM
Birmingham Mail with an article that Gabby thinks we should sign Bale. Quality player but not sure he’s the right fit

I just don't think he would be capable of playing on anywhere near a regular basis anymore.  Probably needs to be a bit part player in a less demanding league and the MLS might be a good fit.  Plenty of golfing opportunities in the US.as well!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 09, 2022, 02:07:25 PM
Bale is a very talented footballer, but his attitude is absolutely awful.

If he can't be overly fucked about Real Madrid ('Golf, Wales, Madrid in that order' - that sort of thing) then imagine what he'd be like coming here.

He also looked totally unbothered on loan back at Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 09, 2022, 02:22:17 PM
I'm also in the "Bale - No" camp.  Not sure he's got much motivation left for the club game, and he doesn't play in a position we particularly need a player in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on June 09, 2022, 02:27:59 PM
As a Welshman, seeing Bale in a Villa shirt would initially be the greatest thing to ever happen ever.

Nothing tangibly good would actually come of it though. He'd score a few wondergoals off the bench but would barely ever be fit and then my love for him would be tainted by the fact that Villa fans held him in negative regard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 09, 2022, 02:38:13 PM
Absolutely not on Bale. If Spurs couldn’t get him to give a fuck then we’re not achieving it. He’s a part time player now and is only interested in playing for Wales and making sure nothing happens between now and the World Cup. If anyone thinks he’s going to go the extra mile they are deluded. And that’s before he wraps himself in cotton wool two months before the WC to avoid any injuries. That or he get “a knock” in September that keeps him out until November only for him to miraculously come back, fully fit in Qatar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 09, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
After scoring those goals for Madrid v Liverpool in that CL final, it should have been the trigger for Bale to go on and prove Zidane wrong elsewhere. I can't really understand why he effectively gave up as a top level footballer instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on June 09, 2022, 02:54:44 PM
All he wants is to stay fit for the WC. He won't be motivated and will prob retire when Walws get knocked out. His wages will be sill too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 09, 2022, 03:23:17 PM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.


Sorry I dont get the Sting link , am I being thick again ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2022, 03:39:46 PM
His tantric abilities, now waning as he is only human but were apparently rampant for a good 20+ years by all accounts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 09, 2022, 03:58:18 PM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.


Sorry I dont get the Sting link , am I being thick again ?

Has your mind gone blank regarding Regatta being our new training gear providers?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 09, 2022, 03:59:43 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 09, 2022, 04:24:30 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?

Going to Milan I think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 09, 2022, 04:29:29 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?

Going to Milan I think

Which album is that on?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 09, 2022, 04:33:37 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?

Appears Liverpool are replacing Origi with Darwin but as ADVF says I believe he's off to Milan thankfully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 09, 2022, 04:36:08 PM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.

Sorry I dont get the Sting link , am I being thick again ?

Chris thought it was the Sumner 2022 Transfer Thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 09, 2022, 05:03:54 PM
errrr Focus people !! who we signing today then ??

Sting I think.

Zenyatta Mondatta, think he's a pacy Italian striker who should de do do do well.

Sorry I dont get the Sting link , am I being thick again ?

Chris thought it was the Sumner 2022 Transfer Thread.
Let's hope he's in cope land, then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 09, 2022, 05:07:23 PM
I have a bad feeling about this.

My fears have proven correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 09, 2022, 05:39:02 PM
I feel he would be our Ginola signing

Wasn't Ginola our Ginola signing?


ha ha , yes sorry long morning Ginola MK 2

Mk 3

Pires was Mk 2
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2022, 05:41:44 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?

Going to Milan I think

Which album is that on?


Working title for Paul's Boutique
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 09, 2022, 05:47:35 PM
Any opinion on Divock Origi? Being allowed to go  so could he solve our upfront problem?

Not any better than what we’ve currently got.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 09, 2022, 06:29:58 PM
We are linked with the young scottish striker, Wilson, and also the west ham lad, Perkins.  We have Cam coming though.  It almost feels as though we might bring in, maybe not specifically, a Suarez to fill the gaps for a year or two until we bring our youngsters through?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 09, 2022, 08:14:38 PM
West Ham fans seem to think he's their best young prospect
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 09, 2022, 08:26:36 PM
We are linked with the young scottish striker, Wilson, and also the west ham lad, Perkins.  We have Cam coming though.  It almost feels as though we might bring in, maybe not specifically, a Suarez to fill the gaps for a year or two until we bring our youngsters through?
Think Gerrard has 3 decisions to make striker wise 1) is he happy with Ings & Watkins as his main strikers 2) does he want a different option ie a striker with a bit of height who can actually control and hold up the ball 3) what to do with Archer & Davis - suspect will push to sell Davis bit maybe Archer will get a chance as 3rd choice striker, particularly with 5 subs he should get game time.

Personally I wouldnt be averse to selling/changing one of Ings or Watkins if an improvement is out there…not Suarez but if an Isak etc was available & seen as an improvement then why not
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 09, 2022, 09:44:04 PM
There’s no way in the world we will sell watkins and keep ings. It’s a no brainer there, based on age and ability only 1 of those 2 remains if we are selling. If Ings goes it’s to bring in another box ready striker. Watkins has far too much potential to discard him at this point he will have one more season to prove himself.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 09, 2022, 10:45:43 PM
Leeds and Spurs are meant to be rivalling us for Sonny Perkins (18) (West Ham striker). Rory Wilson (16) and Ewan Simpson (15) are expected to sign for us.

You can't have enough talent on the books.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2022, 07:12:35 AM
If we go with Ings and Watkins we will end up in a similar position to this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2022, 07:28:04 AM
If we go with Ings and Watkins we will end up in a similar position to this season.

I think they'll both do well this season. Ings has been around long enough to get it and Watkins has the desire and hunger that he's always had. Having said that, after last season neither of them could have complaints about someone new coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 10, 2022, 08:42:35 AM
If we go with Ings and Watkins we will end up in a similar position to this season.

That's almost suggesting that we should be relying solely on our strikers. They all need to chip in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 10, 2022, 09:10:09 AM
If Zinchenko is available from City then we should be all over that move. Wants to play CM like he does for his country and can also cover Digne if needed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on June 10, 2022, 09:43:06 AM
If Zinchenko is available from City then we should be all over that move. Wants to play CM like he does for his country and can also cover Digne if needed

Agree Vinnie.

Zinchenko looks more than comfortable playing in midfield for Ukraine, especially what I saw of him against Scotland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on June 10, 2022, 10:21:47 AM
I’d be wary about taking anyone from Man City (other than the obvious candidates). Their squad players like Zinchenko, Ake etc are all world beaters………….in that team.
It might be a different matter when they are playing for teams in the real world.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2022, 11:05:58 AM
Zinchenko is a superb player who would have much more appealing options than us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 10, 2022, 11:26:13 AM
Zinchenko is a superb player who would have much more appealing options than us.

Wolves, Arsenal, Everton, West Ham and Leicester apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2022, 11:29:17 AM
Seems that he wants to leave so that he can play in midfield. Only 25 too. We do already have McGinn and Ramsey both wanting to play on the left of midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 10, 2022, 11:41:32 AM
Zinchenko is a superb player who would have much more appealing options than us.

Wolves, Arsenal, Everton, West Ham and Leicester apparently.

We are more than capable of competing with that lot in the transfer market.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 10, 2022, 11:51:45 AM
Seems that he wants to leave so that he can play in midfield. Only 25 too. We do already have McGinn and Ramsey both wanting to play on the left of midfield.

A bit worrying that we could not see that he is a big upgrade on McGinn
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on June 10, 2022, 12:36:07 PM
Zinchenko is well good. He certainly gave Cash a torrid time in that last game of the season. I thought he was the main driving force behind that match turning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 10, 2022, 01:45:24 PM
Indeed, a superb player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on June 10, 2022, 03:44:48 PM
Almost 16 hours gone and no smoke signals from B6 6He.

Only just over 81 days left to go.

Anybody getting worried?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 10, 2022, 03:46:46 PM
Zinchenko is a superb player who would have much more appealing options than us.

Tell him he can bunk down at Risso’s as part of the deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2022, 03:47:54 PM
Zinchenko is a superb player who would have much more appealing options than us.

Tell him he can bunk down at Risso’s as part of the deal.

His missus certainly can, any time she likes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
Is this her? She seems nice. https://tinyurl.com/2p9hmnr3
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2022, 04:26:03 PM
I’d be wary about taking anyone from Man City (other than the obvious candidates). Their squad players like Zinchenko, Ake etc are all world beaters………….in that team.
It might be a different matter when they are playing for teams in the real world.

Zinchenko, playing in midfield, was the best player in the Scotland game by a mile.

It would be great to have him at Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 10, 2022, 04:30:43 PM
I’d be wary about taking anyone from Man City (other than the obvious candidates). Their squad players like Zinchenko, Ake etc are all world beaters………….in that team.
It might be a different matter when they are playing for teams in the real world.

Zinchenko, playing in midfield, was the best player in the Scotland game by a mile.

It would be great to have him at Villa
Yep, but I don’t see it happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 10, 2022, 05:15:58 PM
Is this her? She seems nice. https://tinyurl.com/2p9hmnr3

Ye gods and little fishes…

<faints>
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2022, 05:22:01 PM
Fabian Delph has been released by Everton.

Time to let the "snake" slither home to Leeds or will we add him to our midfield-massive? The more the merrier.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2022, 05:22:46 PM
Hell no. That's the worst idea I've seen on a transfer thread since Toronto Villa kept suggesting that we sign Jozy Altidore.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2022, 05:25:16 PM
Wasn't entirely serious  ;)

Just wait til someone suggests Sigurdsson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2022, 05:50:01 PM
Hell no. That's the worst idea I've seen on a transfer thread since Toronto Villa kept suggesting that we sign Jozy Altidore.

I thought that was playing 3 at the back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on June 10, 2022, 05:52:57 PM
Aston Villa’s released list:

Tristan Goodridge
Paul Appiah
Mungo Bridge
Conor Hourihane
Akos Onodi
Dominic Revan
Finley Thorndike
Ashley Young
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 10, 2022, 05:55:38 PM
Surprised Young didn't get another year. Still, fair enough, he didn't set the world alight when he played.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2022, 06:02:39 PM
Aston Villa’s released list:

Tristan Goodridge
Mungo Bridge
Finley Thorndike

That's three great footballer names released there.

Hope all the lads get picked up and make a career of it as Jake Doyle-Hayes has in Scotland. Good luck to Conor and Ash, hopefully we get a chance to welcome them back at VP.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2022, 06:12:02 PM
Mungo Bridge was being talked about as being a target for Milan a few years ago.

I think we signed Thorndike having been released from Chelsea and was described as 'Trialist' when he scored for the U23's.

I think we offered Ashley Young a new contract but made it clear that he might struggle for game time. He's obviously decided playing is more important to him, which is fair enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2022, 06:12:20 PM
Thorndike only signed last year didn't he?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on June 10, 2022, 06:28:28 PM
Thorndike joined last Sept after a trial, he was previously with Olbyun.

Mungo Bridge went out on loan to FC Annecy last season but injuries meant he only made 3 appearances before coming home in January. Looks like injuries have done for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 10, 2022, 06:49:30 PM
When I read Young on there I did wonder if he might still sign a deal, but just hasn’t before the deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 10, 2022, 06:54:01 PM
Our goalkeeper and two centre halves from the Liverpool cup game both released. They all acquitted themselves well that day but Revan and Bridge both turn 22 in September. Even allowing for late blooming centre halves, they're too old to be hanging around in hope. Good luck to all the youngsters.

Young will presumably drop down a level to get a game. A shame he's not sticking around as Gerrard has made it clear he's a good influence on the squad, plus he's versatile. We saw the best days of his career back in '07-11 even if he won his trophies elsewhere.

Conor will always be welcome back. He, AEG and Trez scored a bunch of our most important goals of the last three or four years between them, they've all paid for themselves many times over and will presumably all leave this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on June 10, 2022, 06:56:16 PM
I’m hoping the Ashley decision is a sign we are no longer putting up with 36 year old stop gaps
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 10, 2022, 06:58:26 PM
Means we defo need to sign left back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 10, 2022, 07:07:20 PM
Our goalkeeper and two centre halves from the Liverpool cup game both released. They all acquitted themselves well that day but Revan and Bridge both turn 22 in September. Even allowing for late blooming centre halves, they're too old to be hanging around in hope. Good luck to all the youngsters.

Young will presumably drop down a level to get a game. A shame he's not sticking around as Gerrard has made it clear he's a good influence on the squad, plus he's versatile. We saw the best days of his career back in '07-11 even if he won his trophies elsewhere.

Conor will always be welcome back. He, AEG and Trez scored a bunch of our most important goals of the last three or four years between them, they've all paid for themselves many times over and will presumably all leave this summer.

I thought Conor was one of our most important contributors to staying up in project re-start. A good servant and seemingly a thoroughly nice bloke. Thanks for everything Conor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 10, 2022, 07:53:52 PM
Our goalkeeper and two centre halves from the Liverpool cup game both released. They all acquitted themselves well that day but Revan and Bridge both turn 22 in September. Even allowing for late blooming centre halves, they're too old to be hanging around in hope. Good luck to all the youngsters.

Young will presumably drop down a level to get a game. A shame he's not sticking around as Gerrard has made it clear he's a good influence on the squad, plus he's versatile. We saw the best days of his career back in '07-11 even if he won his trophies elsewhere.

Conor will always be welcome back. He, AEG and Trez scored a bunch of our most important goals of the last three or four years between them, they've all paid for themselves many times over and will presumably all leave this summer.

I thought Conor was one of our most important contributors to staying up in project re-start. A good servant and seemingly a thoroughly nice bloke. Thanks for everything Conor.

Albion play off semi final home leg, the equaliser when we were struggling. A hugely important goal in the history of this football club and a great goal to boot. Will remember him just for that alone, never-mind all the other good things he did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2022, 08:18:21 PM
Quite surprised at the release of Young. Gerrard always talked-up his presence. I do think he was a weak link when he played last season. I also wouldn't be surprised if he re-signs for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 10, 2022, 08:28:18 PM
I’m hoping the Ashley decision is a sign we are no longer putting up with 36 year old stop gaps
Rules Suarez out.  A stop gap is just fine as long as you have the gap filler a season or two away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on June 10, 2022, 08:28:26 PM
Our goalkeeper and two centre halves from the Liverpool cup game both released. They all acquitted themselves well that day but Revan and Bridge both turn 22 in September. Even allowing for late blooming centre halves, they're too old to be hanging around in hope. Good luck to all the youngsters.

Young will presumably drop down a level to get a game. A shame he's not sticking around as Gerrard has made it clear he's a good influence on the squad, plus he's versatile. We saw the best days of his career back in '07-11 even if he won his trophies elsewhere.

Conor will always be welcome back. He, AEG and Trez scored a bunch of our most important goals of the last three or four years between them, they've all paid for themselves many times over and will presumably all leave this summer.

I thought Conor was one of our most important contributors to staying up in project re-start. A good servant and seemingly a thoroughly nice bloke. Thanks for everything Conor.

A handsome mofo as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2022, 08:57:04 PM
Apparently the Premier League published the list of players who’s contracts run out on the 30th June. They state that it doesn’t mean that they won’t still be signed to a new contract before then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2022, 09:09:08 PM
We've done this before and I fully expect Young to get another year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 10, 2022, 11:14:54 PM
Think Ash will be announced as one more year TBH, give it a few days
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2022, 11:24:16 PM
Think Ash will be announced as one more year TBH, give it a few days

I do, too.

I also don't have a problem with it. It's easy to point at instances where he was at fault, but there were also plenty of instances where he did well. As a back up left back, and a mature voice in the room, so long as we can make it work in terms of squad numbers, ie registered players, I can see how it makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2022, 12:27:11 AM
The lack of a social media acknowledgement of goodbye from neither player nor club tells you all you need to know, I’d guess his contract terms are still being finalized.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 11, 2022, 08:28:44 AM
The lack of a social media acknowledgement of goodbye from neither player nor club tells you all you need to know, I’d guess his contract terms are still being finalized.

The club did acknowledge Conor and he replied. Nothing on Ash from what I've seen though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 11, 2022, 08:39:41 AM
I’m sure Gerrard said a while ago that he wants him around next season so I’m sure it’ll come down to the player and whether he gets an offer that he fancies more than sitting on our bench.

I hope he stays.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 11, 2022, 09:29:45 AM
Good luck to Conor, all in all has been a great signing by the club, made an important contribution to our return, and Congress across as a great bloke who wasn't prepared to just sit out his contract with us. Always welcome back.

Hope the kids all go on to have decent careers elsewhere, especially the ones that did so well against Liverpool.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2022, 10:03:10 AM
Quote from: Birmingham Mail
Rangers want up to £25m for Calvin Bassey and Aston Villa could use 20-year-old English striker Cameron Archer, who was on loan with Preston last season, as a makeweight in a deal for the left-sided Nigeria defender, 22. (Birmingham Mail)

Could live with him going there for a year on loan (although preferably not) but not as a permanent transfer. Hopefully just transfer window nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on June 11, 2022, 10:10:21 AM
Quote from: Birmingham Mail
Rangers want up to £25m for Calvin Bassey and Aston Villa could use 20-year-old English striker Cameron Archer, who was on loan with Preston last season, as a makeweight in a deal for the left-sided Nigeria defender, 22. (Birmingham Mail)

Could live with him going there for a year on loan (although preferably not) but not as a permanent transfer. Hopefully just transfer window nonsense.

This is Birmingham Mail being stupid as usual.

If that happens as a permanent swap I will fly over from NZ and kick the S$%t out of Gerard. That would be one of the most stupid things Villa would have ever done .
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on June 11, 2022, 02:28:04 PM
Quote from: Birmingham Mail
Rangers want up to £25m for Calvin Bassey and Aston Villa could use 20-year-old English striker Cameron Archer, who was on loan with Preston last season, as a makeweight in a deal for the left-sided Nigeria defender, 22. (Birmingham Mail)

Could live with him going there for a year on loan (although preferably not) but not as a permanent transfer. Hopefully just transfer window nonsense.

This is Birmingham Mail being stupid as usual.

If that happens as a permanent swap I will fly over from NZ and kick the S$%t out of Gerard. That would be one of the most stupid things Villa would have ever done .
I watch the Scottish premiership and if you don't like someone, send them there, they kick ten bells out of you and the referee just let's it happen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2022, 03:06:28 PM
When I read the story it was being suggested Archer might go on loan there for the season. It's just the Mail being a shit paper.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 12, 2022, 07:05:20 PM
Young has an offer on the table, just no rush, he’s deciding what he wants to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 12, 2022, 09:19:50 PM
He won't get a better one, will he? (2 yrs somewhere else maybe instead of 1 with us)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on June 13, 2022, 09:36:40 AM
Looks like Wison is on his way, source: F Romano
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 13, 2022, 09:39:04 AM
Looks like Wison is on his way, source: F Romano

born in 2006  !! gosh I feel old
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2022, 10:01:13 AM
Wison?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 10:03:14 AM
Wilson...

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/rory-wilsons-rangers-aston-villa-24155412
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on June 13, 2022, 10:03:45 AM
Wison?

Typo, Wilson from Rangers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 11:03:21 AM
Wilson...

https://www.footballscotland.co.uk/spfl/scottish-premiership/rory-wilsons-rangers-aston-villa-24155412

Will he be the first Rory to play for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 11:09:52 AM
Seems like it. Though, in some cases only the first initial is given so one of those "R."s could be a Rory.

https://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2022, 11:39:14 AM
Seems like it. Though, in some cases only the first initial is given so one of those "R."s could be a Rory.

https://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/

Yacouba Sylla the last addition.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on June 13, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
Rory with us then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
He looks a good prospect and his stats for last season are fantastic regardless of the level really. Another top prospect into the academy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 12:36:01 PM
Seems like it. Though, in some cases only the first initial is given so one of those "R."s could be a Rory.

https://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/

Yacouba Sylla the last addition.....

If only we'd signed Zinedine Zidane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 13, 2022, 01:25:22 PM
Seems like it. Though, in some cases only the first initial is given so one of those "R."s could be a Rory.

https://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/

Yacouba Sylla the last addition.....

I knew we should have signed Zvonimir Boban
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 01:31:51 PM
Our one "Z" player doesn't seem to have set the world alight. Neither he nor his club even have a Wikipedia page.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tomas-zazrivec/profil/spieler/186389
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 01:39:57 PM
Our one "Z" player doesn't seem to have set the world alight. Neither he nor his club even have a Wikipedia page.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/tomas-zazrivec/profil/spieler/186389

He seems to have been a bit half-hearted about the whole "z' thing as well, didn't even stick one on the end of Tomas.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on June 13, 2022, 01:56:15 PM
Calvin Bassey rumoured to have been at the Wolves training ground from a cryptic Instagram post?? Surely not.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on June 13, 2022, 01:59:37 PM
Calvin Bassey rumoured to have been at the Wolves training ground from a cryptic Instagram post?? Surely not.....

Probably Shirley Bassey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 02:09:30 PM
Calvin Bassey rumoured to have been at the Wolves training ground from a cryptic Instagram post?? Surely not.....

Probably Shirley Bassey.

Old Goldfinger...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 13, 2022, 03:05:24 PM
I've never really thought we were in for Bassey at the fees that were being spouted.  I think £25m for a back up left-back/future prospect six months after spending about that on a first-choice left-back wasn't something we'd be looking to do.

That money would easily be gobbled up by the sort of midfielder or striker we need more urgently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
I've never really thought we were in for Bassey at the fees that were being spouted.  I think £25m for a back up left-back/future prospect six months after spending about that on a first-choice left-back wasn't something we'd be looking to do.

That money would easily be gobbled up by the sort of midfielder or striker we need more urgently.

I agree, I've never taken this link particularly seriously.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 13, 2022, 03:23:02 PM
He has deleted the tweet also. Rangers fans rate hm very highly and consider him one of their standout performers in the second half of the season especially. It will cost a club 25-30m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 13, 2022, 03:23:44 PM
I've never really thought we were in for Bassey at the fees that were being spouted.  I think £25m for a back up left-back/future prospect six months after spending about that on a first-choice left-back wasn't something we'd be looking to do.

That money would easily be gobbled up by the sort of midfielder or striker we need more urgently.

I agree, I've never taken this link particularly seriously.
I could see us signing a player with his profile, but not at the prices that are being bandied about.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 03:26:21 PM
They'll take £10 million and they'll be jolly well grateful.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 13, 2022, 03:32:46 PM
I could see us signing a player with his profile, but not at the prices that are being bandied about.

Exactly, same as the Hickey links. A young, up and coming prospect looking to develop and adapt to the Premier League makes perfect sense. But with FFP being our big limiting factor in improving the squad, we can't blow that big a portion of it on a prospect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 13, 2022, 03:44:03 PM
I've never really thought we were in for Bassey at the fees that were being spouted.  I think £25m for a back up left-back/future prospect six months after spending about that on a first-choice left-back wasn't something we'd be looking to do.

That money would easily be gobbled up by the sort of midfielder or striker we need more urgently.

I agree, I've never taken this link particularly seriously.
I could see us signing a player with his profile, but not at the prices that are being bandied about.

Yep, agree completely, I'd not be surprised to see a left back who is under 22 for about £8-10m at some point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on June 13, 2022, 04:27:27 PM
Merlin???
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 13, 2022, 04:30:55 PM
I did think Merlin sounded more the type, though no idea how much interest we actually have in him.

They say he ages backwards which is how he can predict the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2022, 04:37:24 PM
Could we just buy Rangers instead of taking all their players?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 04:58:58 PM
They'll take £10 million and they'll be jolly well grateful.

Indeed, for every 5 shillings they spend we will spend 10 pounds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 13, 2022, 06:26:40 PM
Trabzonspor coach Abdullah Avci has personally spoken with Aston Villa star Trezeguet in a bid to convince him to make the move to the Turkish champions.


It is claimed that Aston Villa are ready to let him depart this summer for €4m, but the Turkish club are negotiating to bring the price down.


https://insidefutbol.com/2022/06/13/coach-personally-speaks-with-aston-villa-star-to-sell-move-to-club/563133/

€4m it should be at least £7m ....would you take €4m?

(13 appearances on loan scored six goals and provided four assists)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 13, 2022, 06:29:26 PM
No, I wouldn't! Tell'em to suck on Turkish Delights, that's chomp-change.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 06:59:29 PM
We'll see what we eventually get but we can't really complain about buying clubs trying to negotiate a price down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 13, 2022, 07:02:07 PM
Trabzonspor coach Abdullah Avci has personally spoken with Aston Villa star Trezeguet in a bid to convince him to make the move to the Turkish champions.


It is claimed that Aston Villa are ready to let him depart this summer for €4m, but the Turkish club are negotiating to bring the price down.


https://insidefutbol.com/2022/06/13/coach-personally-speaks-with-aston-villa-star-to-sell-move-to-club/563133/

€4m it should be at least £7m ....would you take €4m?

(13 appearances on loan scored six goals and provided four assists)
He's only got 1 season left on his contract, and he isn't going to play for us. He cost about £10m from what I remember, which means he's worth about £2.5m in FFP terms. We've rich enough owners that we can afford to write off £6m in actual value, since you could argue that Trez played a big part in us staying up that first season - and staying up was definitely worth more than £6m in financial terms.

Had hoped we'd get about double that price (£4m), but if it's a case of selling him at that price point, losing him for free next summer, or offering him an extension on his current deal - I'm all for flogging him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 07:03:26 PM
Happy to get any fee, he's only got one year left and he's played his part in keeping us in this league. Don't really want to make life awkward for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 13, 2022, 09:30:23 PM
Trabzonspor coach Abdullah Avci has personally spoken with Aston Villa star Trezeguet in a bid to convince him to make the move to the Turkish champions.


It is claimed that Aston Villa are ready to let him depart this summer for €4m, but the Turkish club are negotiating to bring the price down.


https://insidefutbol.com/2022/06/13/coach-personally-speaks-with-aston-villa-star-to-sell-move-to-club/563133/

€4m it should be at least £7m ....would you take €4m?

(13 appearances on loan scored six goals and provided four assists)
He's only got 1 season left on his contract, and he isn't going to play for us. He cost about £10m from what I remember, which means he's worth about £2.5m in FFP terms. We've rich enough owners that we can afford to write off £6m in actual value, since you could argue that Trez played a big part in us staying up that first season - and staying up was definitely worth more than £6m in financial terms.

Had hoped we'd get about double that price (£4m), but if it's a case of selling him at that price point, losing him for free next summer, or offering him an extension on his current deal - I'm all for flogging him.

I’d guess his salary, or part of, was paid whilst on loan so he’s been far from a burden on the club.  Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on June 13, 2022, 09:37:33 PM
I'd like us to go for Icardi. PSG paid £54m for him two years ago and he barely gets a game. They'll surely be open to selling, if one of Ings/Watkins leaves I think he'd be a great addition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on June 13, 2022, 09:41:16 PM
If not then Lautaro Martinez. 24 years old, Inter Milan. Would be pricey but Inter want Lukaku back and this would help finance that deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 10:13:16 PM
These sound more like it. You can be the new scout.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2022, 10:26:08 PM
Yeah, I'm down with this sort of thing.

I have a vague memory of Icardi's missus being a bit of a nightmare when he was at Inter but I'm too tired to go and look it up
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 13, 2022, 10:27:26 PM
Wasn't she married to his teammate before him? Still, most of our players have shared a dressing room with John Terry, they're probably used to phoning their wives whenever he's out of sight just to be on the safe side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 13, 2022, 10:35:40 PM
She was married and had kids (?) with Maxi Lopez, that’s where the animosity stems from.

Edit. Think it goes back to when they were both at Barcelona
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 13, 2022, 10:38:18 PM
I have a vague memory of Icardi's missus being a bit of a nightmare when he was at Inter but I'm too tired to go and look it up

Think she was acting as his agent and went on Italian TV to complain about his treatment. Not the sort of drama we'd welcome at B6.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2022, 11:04:50 PM
She was married and had kids (?) with Maxi Lopez, that’s where the animosity stems from.

Edit. Think it goes back to when they were both at Barcelona

Is he the bloke trying to take over the rags? Shit could get ugly, especially with 'Casanova' Craig Gardner in the picture
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 13, 2022, 11:44:22 PM
She was married and had kids (?) with Maxi Lopez, that’s where the animosity stems from.

Edit. Think it goes back to when they were both at Barcelona

Is he the bloke trying to take over the rags? Shit could get ugly, especially with 'Casanova' Craig Gardner in the picture

Get ugly?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on June 13, 2022, 11:48:19 PM
Icardi's wife remains Top Celeb Newz over here. She's nuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 14, 2022, 12:25:22 AM
Didn't she dump him last season (or the season before) and he pretty much went on strike, deleted everybody off his social media but her and stalked her arse until she took him back?

I just think we could probably do without that kind of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2022, 12:36:46 AM
Icardi would come with a whole host of trouble both on and off the pitch. I wouldn’t rule someone out just on that basis and he’s a decent finisher. But i don’t think the talent negates enough of the temperament in his instance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2022, 12:40:51 AM
If the "problem" is that he has the odd public spat with his partner while scoring twenty odd goals a season, I could live with that, I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2022, 02:09:58 AM
If the "problem" is that he has the odd public spat with his partner while scoring twenty odd goals a season, I could live with that, I reckon.

More the antagonizing his own fans and club hierarchy, not getting on with his own teams mates that would be the concern. It’s probably part of the reason why he’s only had 8 appearances for Argentina since making his debut almost a decade  ago. I don’t think it’s any surprise that despite his decent scoring rate at Inter, they weren’t sad to see him go and why there weren’t any real takers for his services either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on June 14, 2022, 06:54:23 AM
If the "problem" is that he has the odd public spat with his partner while scoring twenty odd goals a season, I could live with that, I reckon.

But the problem could be a soap opera style spat while scoring 3 goals. Just as feasible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 14, 2022, 06:57:22 AM
We do have bad luck with strikers tbf.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2022, 08:14:16 AM
Didn't she dump him last season (or the season before) and he pretty much went on strike, deleted everybody off his social media but her and stalked her arse until she took him back?

I just think we could probably do without that kind of thing.

Commitment to a higher cause is just what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2022, 08:53:00 AM
I don’t think it’s any surprise that despite his decent scoring rate at Inter, they weren’t sad to see him go and why there weren’t any real takers for his services either.

I don't think that's quite the case - they basically refused to sell him to anyone else in Italy, and he got stroppy about only wanting to sign for Juventus. Which led to a bit of an impasse and the move to PSG which nobody (apart from Inter) really wanted.

I think there was talk that the PSG move was only supposed to be a stop-over and he would go from there to Juventus, but then Juventus decided they couldn't spend any money, and when they could decided Vlahovic would be better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 08:58:56 AM
Right, lets sign Vlahovic instead then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on June 14, 2022, 08:59:57 AM
Bissouma to Tottenham?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on June 14, 2022, 10:03:35 AM
For just £25 mill
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on June 14, 2022, 10:08:07 AM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2022, 10:19:33 AM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.

I'd say we were in for him again this summer and were told no thanks about a week ago when the reports came out that we'd moved on. The ability to offer CL football was probably the clincher but 25m does seem cheap. Hopefully he and Spurs flop this season, Conte flounces off and we can offer him an 'escape route' down the line (assuming his case has been dealt with).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2022, 10:24:47 AM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.

Yep, should have got him in January. Him and Kamara as a two in front of the back four would have been amazing.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 10:28:49 AM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.

Yep, should have got him in January. Him and Kamara as a two in front of the back four would have been amazing.



Ok Gareth.

Maybe he could slot in as an extra defender in a back 5 too? Honestly....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on June 14, 2022, 10:30:34 AM
If the "problem" is that he has the odd public spat with his partner while scoring twenty odd goals a season, I could live with that, I reckon.

It’s probably part of the reason why he’s only had 8 appearances for Argentina since making his debut almost a decade  ago.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Icardi's lack of appearances for Argentina was more down to Messi not wanting him to be selected due to Messi being good friends with Maxi Lopez?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 14, 2022, 11:13:32 AM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.

Yep, should have got him in January. Him and Kamara as a two in front of the back four would have been amazing.
I agree, with 5 subs this season 4231 to get a foothold in games especially against the better sides can work particularly if the 2 have the ball playing ability to step forward ie what Nakamba can’t do well. 

Getting that spine of keeper, centre halves & centre midfield right will let full backs bomb on and creators like Coutinho / Buendia freedom to roam.

Would guess signing Bissouma this summer will be a huge financial investment for Spurs with 25m + a salary that is probs as big as Kamara’s. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2022, 12:22:56 PM
Once we ‘lost out’ in January, we were never in with a chance of getting him. Very disappointed, he would have been brilliant.

Yep, should have got him in January. Him and Kamara as a two in front of the back four would have been amazing.



At the reported numbers it would have been a bit mad and especially the allegations at the time being fresher so to speak and probably much more unclear than they might be now. Plus Brighton had no reason to sell, and now he gets to the summer and as a player he gets to see who wants him and in Spurs case gets to play CL football. Doesn’t have to move too far from where he is now. It’s a very good deal all round of it works out and he is cleared of the legal issues that are hanging over him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2022, 12:34:31 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2022, 12:46:04 PM
We were being linked with Connor Gallagher in the last day or so, he would be a good signing if Chelsea will come off their ridiculous valuation.

I can't imagine Bissouma's pleas for Arsenal to come and get him will go down well if he does go to Spurs. Pretty clear that we set a price we were prepared to go to for Bissouma in January knowing that Kamara was a possibility and when that happened we decided we've got Kamara and Nakamba with Iroegbunam coming through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2022, 12:54:15 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.

Yep. Ultimately someone to come in and immediately be better than Luiz or McGinn in the third midfield spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2022, 01:07:54 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.

Yep. Ultimately someone to come in and immediately be better than Luiz or McGinn in the third midfield spot.

Gallagher could do the job (but plays a bit higher up the pitch) but I'd really like Milinkovic-Savic (who is seemingly available for about £40m this summer) or someone very similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 14, 2022, 01:14:06 PM
Just to say we haven't really been linked with Gallagher, it's just the usual shit sites like Football Insider quoting some nobody saying he's the sort of player we should be interested in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2022, 01:16:28 PM
Just to say we haven't really been linked with Gallagher, it's just the usual shit sites like Football Insider quoting some nobody saying he's the sort of player we should be interested in.

Yep, seems a very 'loose' link with no real substance to it. I think he'd end up being competition for Ramsey more than anything though, and I'm not sure that's what we need in this window.

Of the more substantial links I've seen Sangare from PSV is my favourite.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on June 14, 2022, 01:18:58 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.

Gerrard said when he bought Kamara that he was looking at playing him as a central midfielder and not as a defensive midfielder so not sure why people think he will be used as a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 01:31:14 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.

Gerrard said when he bought Kamara that he was looking at playing him as a central midfielder and not as a defensive midfielder so not sure why people think he will be used as a defensive midfielder.

Probably because he plays there and we're fucking desperate for one
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on June 14, 2022, 01:33:53 PM
Now we've got Kamara in to do the defend and transition role I want another midfielder that really drives us forward (like ramsey does), sometimes to play with Ramsey and sometimes instead of him. Bissouma would've been a decent option for it but he was never the DM that we've been desperate for.

Gerrard said when he bought Kamara that he was looking at playing him as a central midfielder and not as a defensive midfielder so not sure why people think he will be used as a defensive midfielder.

Probably because he plays there and we're fucking desperate for one

In Gerrard's preferred 4-3-3 where else would he play?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 14, 2022, 01:40:56 PM
Apparently we pulled out of the Bissouma deal last week so have to assume someone (better) is in the pipeline?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 14, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
Apparently we pulled out of the Bissouma deal last week so have to assume someone (better) is in the pipeline?

Or maybe we discovered last week that he was going to Spurs
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2022, 02:00:32 PM
Apparently we pulled out of the Bissouma deal last week so have to assume someone (better) is in the pipeline?

Probably wanted London.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2022, 02:05:59 PM
Matic gone to Roma. Suggests to me that they can't afford Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 14, 2022, 02:23:00 PM
Apparently we pulled out of the Bissouma deal last week so have to assume someone (better) is in the pipeline?

Or maybe we discovered last week that he was going to Spurs

Or maybe we wanted someone with fewer sexual assualt allegations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2022, 03:13:01 PM
Looking at his stats, Milinkovic-Savic would do. Sangare sounds like he would be decent too but they sound like different types of players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 14, 2022, 03:49:42 PM
Boo! That’s two of our targets they’ve beaten us to (allegedly).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2022, 04:01:29 PM
I don’t think it’s any surprise that despite his decent scoring rate at Inter, they weren’t sad to see him go and why there weren’t any real takers for his services either.

I don't think that's quite the case - they basically refused to sell him to anyone else in Italy, and he got stroppy about only wanting to sign for Juventus. Which led to a bit of an impasse and the move to PSG which nobody (apart from Inter) really wanted.

I think there was talk that the PSG move was only supposed to be a stop-over and he would go from there to Juventus, but then Juventus decided they couldn't spend any money, and when they could decided Vlahovic would be better.

I thought they only refused to sell him to Juve? It all got very very messy mind but when that move didn’t happen, it’s interesting that he ended up essentially an alternate at PSG.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Broadlee on June 14, 2022, 04:03:21 PM
I'm not sure why some fans are dismissing Douglas Luiz, to me I see a player that has been asked to play out of his natural position because of poor  buying (i.e. missing out on a specialist defensive midfielder) and I think he's done the best he could there.When I have seen him play further forward on the front foot he seems more controlled and adventurous, given time back in his natural position I believe and hope we have the driving player we wish for with a bit of flair to go with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2022, 04:04:33 PM
If the "problem" is that he has the odd public spat with his partner while scoring twenty odd goals a season, I could live with that, I reckon.

It’s probably part of the reason why he’s only had 8 appearances for Argentina since making his debut almost a decade  ago.

I'm sure I read somewhere that Icardi's lack of appearances for Argentina was more down to Messi not wanting him to be selected due to Messi being good friends with Maxi Lopez?

No idea on that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on June 14, 2022, 04:13:10 PM
Disappointed to miss out on Bissouma if I'm honest. He'll massively improve that Spurs midfield. Surprised Arsenal or Man Utd didn't go for him as he's exactly what they need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on June 14, 2022, 04:15:52 PM
I'm not sure why some fans are dismissing Douglas Luiz, to me I see a player that has been asked to play out of his natural position because of poor  buying (i.e. missing out on a specialist defensive midfielder) and I think he's done the best he could there.When I have seen him play further forward on the front foot he seems more controlled and adventurous, given time back in his natural position I believe and hope we have the driving player we wish for with a bit of flair to go with it.


I’m similarly positive about him but if, as reported, we can’t agree a contract extension with him, then he’s got to go this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 14, 2022, 04:16:42 PM
I'm not sure why some fans are dismissing Douglas Luiz, to me I see a player that has been asked to play out of his natural position because of poor  buying (i.e. missing out on a specialist defensive midfielder) and I think he's done the best he could there.When I have seen him play further forward on the front foot he seems more controlled and adventurous, given time back in his natural position I believe and hope we have the driving player we wish for with a bit of flair to go with it.


For me, it's either sell him or offer him a new contract.

I take your point though. He was linked with Arsenal in January and I can imagine him looking a completely different player somewhere like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2022, 04:29:24 PM
Bissouma and Luiz only had/have a year left on their deals. Bissouma is older but his ceiling may be higher. We'd do well to get more than £20m for Doug.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 14, 2022, 04:41:51 PM
Disappointed to miss out on Bissouma if I'm honest. He'll massively improve that Spurs midfield. Surprised Arsenal or Man Utd didn't go for him as he's exactly what they need.

I think they probably did, Arsenal certainly were heavily linked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 14, 2022, 05:53:01 PM
I'm not sure why some fans are dismissing Douglas Luiz, to me I see a player that has been asked to play out of his natural position because of poor  buying (i.e. missing out on a specialist defensive midfielder) and I think he's done the best he could there.When I have seen him play further forward on the front foot he seems more controlled and adventurous, given time back in his natural position I believe and hope we have the driving player we wish for with a bit of flair to go with it.


For me, it's either sell him or offer him a new contract.

I take your point though. He was linked with Arsenal in January and I can imagine him looking a completely different player somewhere like that.

I think he’d be better suited to a slower game, in Spain or Italy for example. He has all the skill required but not enough hustle bustle or that bit of extra aggression you ideally need for our league. He’s not the quickest either. That said, if he stays as part of the squad next season that would be good, but he needs to be starting less than he has over the past 3 seasons for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2022, 05:53:02 PM
I don’t think it’s any surprise that despite his decent scoring rate at Inter, they weren’t sad to see him go and why there weren’t any real takers for his services either.

I don't think that's quite the case - they basically refused to sell him to anyone else in Italy, and he got stroppy about only wanting to sign for Juventus. Which led to a bit of an impasse and the move to PSG which nobody (apart from Inter) really wanted.

I think there was talk that the PSG move was only supposed to be a stop-over and he would go from there to Juventus, but then Juventus decided they couldn't spend any money, and when they could decided Vlahovic would be better.

I thought they only refused to sell him to Juve?

That's fair - but it's not like three years ago in Italy there was anybody but Juve with the means to sign a player for £60m or so.

So he's lack of desirability was more to do with a £60m price tag - which it's safe to say would no longer be there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 14, 2022, 06:05:20 PM
I don’t think it’s any surprise that despite his decent scoring rate at Inter, they weren’t sad to see him go and why there weren’t any real takers for his services either.

I don't think that's quite the case - they basically refused to sell him to anyone else in Italy, and he got stroppy about only wanting to sign for Juventus. Which led to a bit of an impasse and the move to PSG which nobody (apart from Inter) really wanted.

I think there was talk that the PSG move was only supposed to be a stop-over and he would go from there to Juventus, but then Juventus decided they couldn't spend any money, and when they could decided Vlahovic would be better.

I thought they only refused to sell him to Juve?

That's fair - but it's not like three years ago in Italy there was anybody but Juve with the means to sign a player for £60m or so.

So he's lack of desirability was more to do with a £60m price tag - which it's safe to say would no longer be there.

I always found it interesting that even with a release clause, clubs outside of Italy (Juve) weren’t knocking the door down to sign him. Particularly pre pandemic when a number of clubs could reasonably have afforded him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2022, 06:50:53 PM
I hope the growing chatter about Oxlaide Chamberlain and Rashford is utter bollocks. I would not want either of them or the wanker Lingard anywhere near our club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2022, 06:54:10 PM
Don't want Lingard but, out of curiosity, what's he ever done to be called a wanker?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2022, 06:59:04 PM
Rashford seems a really good person and he is actually an excellent footballer who has had a dip in form. And while at West Ham Lingard was superb. Oxlade Chamberlain is someone I wouldn’t want. He’s not a bad player but we have others I’d rather see given opportunities
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on June 14, 2022, 07:19:47 PM
Agree not sure why a wanker but these 3 are Everton type signings
I hope our ambitions are higher than,  injury prone, out of form, not quite made it players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 14, 2022, 07:25:07 PM
Rashford seems a really good person and he is actually an excellent footballer who has had a dip in form. And while at West Ham Lingard was superb. Oxlade Chamberlain is someone I wouldn’t want. He’s not a bad player but we have others I’d rather see given opportunities

I certainly wouldn’t mind if we signed Rashford, but not the other two
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2022, 07:33:46 PM
Rashford could be brilliant. Or he could be not much better than what we already have. Given that they'd probably want at least 60-70 million I'd rather invest elsewhere but would allow myself some hopeful optimism if he did sign. I don't think we particularly need Lingard, and AOC, not the best AOC, would cost £150k a week and probably play about as many minutes as Jenas did for us. Solid no to him, while offering a wholesome yes to his American initialsake.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2022, 07:42:10 PM
Agree not sure why a wanker but these 3 are Everton type signings
I hope our ambitions are higher than,  injury prone, out of form, not quite made it players

Lingard was a West Ham signing and he did well for a team we would love to be right now in terms of performance, consistency and finishing position. We finished lower half of the table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2022, 07:54:51 PM
Agreed. But I think that form was the exception rather than the rule if you look at his career so far. And I don't think he's better than Buendia or Coutinho. He isn't leaving the Man U sub's bench to sit on ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 14, 2022, 08:02:59 PM
Don't want Lingard but, out of curiosity, what's he ever done to be called a wanker?

JLingz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2022, 08:23:47 PM
Rashford seems a really good person and he is actually an excellent footballer who has had a dip in form. And while at West Ham Lingard was superb. Oxlade Chamberlain is someone I wouldn’t want. He’s not a bad player but we have others I’d rather see given opportunities

I certainly wouldn’t mind if we signed Rashford, but not the other two

I wouldn't want Rashford, think he's peaked and the Yanited fans have been complaining about his performances for 18-24 months now. If I had to take one of the three it would probably be JLingz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 14, 2022, 08:36:35 PM
Rashford seems a really good person and he is actually an excellent footballer who has had a dip in form. And while at West Ham Lingard was superb. Oxlade Chamberlain is someone I wouldn’t want. He’s not a bad player but we have others I’d rather see given opportunities

I certainly wouldn’t mind if we signed Rashford, but not the other two
yeah thats where I would be
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 14, 2022, 08:50:05 PM
And me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 14, 2022, 09:22:15 PM
Don't want Lingard but, out of curiosity, what's he ever done to be called a wanker?

We he's played for Blues, Manure and West Ham, so that's pretty damning in fairness
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 14, 2022, 09:31:38 PM
Rashford's form has been awful for a while now. They have been a basket case of a club but I wouldn't be overly chuffed with us signing him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on June 14, 2022, 09:35:43 PM
Rashford has been awful for a while. Busted flush. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2022, 09:39:34 PM
Rashford has been awful for a while. Busted flush. No thanks.

Busted flush is a very apt description. Agreed, and that's before you consider the wages he'd be looking for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on June 14, 2022, 09:47:03 PM
I didn’t think Rashford was that good in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 14, 2022, 09:58:53 PM
I think Rashford is very talented, I suspect it’s the black hole that is Man Utd that is dragging him down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 10:47:46 PM
I think Rashford is very talented, I suspect it’s the black hole that is Man Utd that is dragging him down.

Me too, but I'm not sure I'd foot the bill to test the theory
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on June 14, 2022, 10:55:18 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain, lingard,  Loftus cheek, Drinkwater ………and there are loads more of them.

Players who for some unfathomable reason have a huge reputation based on absolutely fuck all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 14, 2022, 10:56:51 PM
They've all been very good at stages of their career so your summary is incorrect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2022, 11:05:32 PM
Rashford is seriously talented but has lost his way, I think he's way above the players listed above.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 14, 2022, 11:06:15 PM
Rashford is seriously talented but has lost his way, I think he's way above the players listed above.


I agree with LeeB.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 14, 2022, 11:49:26 PM
Rashford would be worth it at a decent price (and wage) that reflects the fact that he needs to restart his career. Something around £30m would be worth considering I reckon, I think they want a lot more right now though. The big advantage is that he'd be that player who covers a few different roles up front which gives us a bit more flexibility.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 15, 2022, 12:02:52 AM
He'd thrive with us; a harmonious set up, a proper team effort where he'd be shown he was wanted and belonged.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2022, 12:06:56 AM
He'd thrive with us; a harmonious set up, a proper team effort where he'd be shown he was wanted and belonged.

I suspect you're right, it helps that he'd be another player I was proud to have at the club, thoroughly good egg that probably just needs a bit more 'arm round the shoulder' than hairdryer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 15, 2022, 12:46:48 AM
Rashford is quality, but needs a consistent run in one position. I would have him tomorrow, but I suspect Ten Haag will put an arm round him and turn him back into a footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2022, 01:04:59 AM
Rashford is seriously talented but has lost his way, I think he's way above the players listed above.


I agree with LeeB.

So you'd have him ahead of Watkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 15, 2022, 06:43:40 AM
With the likes of Rashford, it's very dependent on where their head is at really.  If they are fired up, want to prove a point and just need that move away then it could be a good signing. 

If, however, they didn't really want to leave and view a move to another club as almost beneath them or they have drifted that far that they can't recover what they had (Dele Alli) then it is drifting into Stephen Ireland territory and should be left well alone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on June 15, 2022, 07:03:56 AM
He's on £192k a week and doesn't strike me as any better than Watkins with either his touch or fininishing and definitely not work rate, despite having played in a better side for his entire career. Wouldn't want him at the club, there's better quality at better value out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2022, 07:09:23 AM
I didn’t think Rashford was that good in the first place.
Agree, he has some talent and scored the odd wonder goal but was massively hyped up just because who he played for. He is a knock it past a player and run in to it, quick but not exceptionally so, can not play with his back to goal, does not link up particularly well , isWatkinsesque in 1 on 1 situation. Now the star dust has worn off he looks pretty ordinary.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2022, 08:23:31 AM
He'd thrive with us; a harmonious set up, a proper team effort where he'd be shown he was wanted and belonged.

Conspiracy theory 🚨 alert

Targett talked about how he found the dressing room at Newcastle to be the best most friendly atmosphere he’s ever seen. Could he have been hinting all is not so good at Villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Moonraker on June 15, 2022, 08:30:33 AM
....or could he just be saying what everyone does when they move to a new job?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on June 15, 2022, 08:44:19 AM
Pretty obvious that certain players haven’t been happy, not surprising with a new manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 15, 2022, 08:54:29 AM
He'd thrive with us; a harmonious set up, a proper team effort where he'd be shown he was wanted and belonged.

Conspiracy theory 🚨 alert

Targett talked about how he found the dressing room at Newcastle to be the best most friendly atmosphere he’s ever seen. Could he have been hinting all is not so good at Villa?
Was he likely to say that Newcastle's dressing room is as shit as it's weather, and he was only going there because they offered him more money than he'll earn in the rest of his life?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 15, 2022, 09:00:26 AM
The fans punch police horses and the owners hang gay people, he'll definitely not be rocking the boat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2022, 09:27:51 AM
Or maybe he is just telling the truth. Crazy, but who knows...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 15, 2022, 09:55:25 AM
After watching Phillips last night, I’m no longer bothered that we won’t be signing him. After an average-at-best, injury hit season he then looked very limited last night and is not worth £50m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2022, 09:57:37 AM
He's on £192k a week and doesn't strike me as any better than Watkins with either his touch or fininishing and definitely not work rate, despite having played in a better side for his entire career. Wouldn't want him at the club, there's better quality at better value out there.

I agree with Ads, and CL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2022, 10:04:37 AM
Pretty obvious that certain players haven’t been happy, not surprising with a new manager.

Maybe once he’s cleared out all those whining wingers that can’t get a game, we’ll be all fine and dandy. After all they are superfluous to Stevie Gs “system”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2022, 10:14:59 AM
Rashford is a really good player going through a bad spell.  It would be a gamble, but the upside if he gets back to his best is huge.  And yes, on form I'd say he's far better than Watkins.

But I wouldn't be breaking the bank for him at this stage.  A loan with option to buy would be perfect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2022, 10:16:45 AM
With the likes of Rashford, it's very dependent on where their head is at really.  If they are fired up, want to prove a point and just need that move away then it could be a good signing. 

If, however, they didn't really want to leave and view a move to another club as almost beneath them or they have drifted that far that they can't recover what they had (Dele Alli) then it is drifting into Stephen Ireland territory and should be left well alone.
Agree with this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2022, 10:21:18 AM
Disappointed to miss out on Bissouma if I'm honest. He'll massively improve that Spurs midfield. Surprised Arsenal or Man Utd didn't go for him as he's exactly what they need.
Yes, I think he'll be a player we look at at as 'one that got away' in the future.  Wish we'd pushed harder in Jan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2022, 10:26:32 AM
Disappointed to miss out on Bissouma if I'm honest. He'll massively improve that Spurs midfield. Surprised Arsenal or Man Utd didn't go for him as he's exactly what they need.
Yes, I think he'll be a player we look at at as 'one that got away' in the future.  Wish we'd pushed harder in Jan.

I imagine the player had significant sway on where he wanted to go. He has always considered himself as a champions league player, I’d have been amazed if he’d have come to us.

Just gotta qualify for the damn competition, which is going to be a monumental task.. UTV
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 15, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Rashford is seriously talented but has lost his way, I think he's way above the players listed above.


I agree with LeeB.

So you'd have him ahead of Watkins?

I would.

Watkins has his qualities, but from a personal perspective, I find him so frustrating to watch that I'd rather we cashed in on him while we can.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 15, 2022, 10:32:58 AM
Maybe.  I get the impression we had a chance in Jan.  I remember saying if we don't get him now we'll have no chance in the summer.  If we baulked over £10m it feels short sighted to me - we would probably have made most that back in league placings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2022, 10:35:45 AM
Maybe once he’s cleared out all those whining wingers that can’t get a game, we’ll be all fine and dandy.

Disappointing you didn't go for "whinging wingers". :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 15, 2022, 10:42:12 AM
Maybe.  I get the impression we had a chance in Jan.  I remember saying if we don't get him now we'll have no chance in the summer.  If we baulked over £10m it feels short sighted to me - we would probably have made most that back in league placings.

If I had to bet I'd say that the player and his representatives decided they were happy enough to wait till the summer. That way they could see which of the suitors could offer CL football as well the fee/wages. Looked likely to be Arsenal in Jan but ended up being Spurs. I'd also say the 'London factor' helped them.

My view is that we should be pretty chuffed we've managed to get Coutinho, Bouba and Diego Carlos for a paltry 40m (despite only finishing 14th) rather than looking for negatives in who we didn't get.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2022, 10:51:32 AM
Perhaps Bissouma didn't want to come here.

You can never get all of your transfer targets.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2022, 11:12:45 AM
He's talked about like he's the reincarnation of France's magic square, where in reality he's a decent midfielder for a mid table team that we humped twice last season.

We'll live.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2022, 11:29:24 AM
He's talked about like he's the reincarnation of France's magic square, where in reality he's a decent midfielder for a mid table team that we humped twice last season.

We'll live.

... and he was largely anonymous in both games against us, being made to look average by the midfielders that are so often called shit by people on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 15, 2022, 11:34:59 AM
He's talked about like he's the reincarnation of France's magic square, where in reality he's a decent midfielder for a mid table team that we humped twice last season.

We'll live.

... and he was largely anonymous in both games against us, being made to look average by the midfielders that are so often called shit by people on here.

That was my take on the VP game, he was ok but didn’t look any better than our midfield, I would certainly hope that we could have scouted as good from abroad
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 15, 2022, 12:38:05 PM
Rshford way too expensive for a player tha looks broken

Ox neer rated him and his injury record makes Bailey and Bert look like Captain Scarlet.

Jlingz.......need I say more. Plenty of on line clips of him being Billy big bollocks plus like any cnut from them they will think they are doing us a favour.

As for Phillips..I have not seen anything to justify the ridiculous price tag suggested
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2022, 12:45:23 PM
He's talked about like he's the reincarnation of France's magic square, where in reality he's a decent midfielder for a mid table team that we humped twice last season.

We'll live.

... and he was largely anonymous in both games against us, being made to look average by the midfielders that are so often called shit by people on here.

It's not a great idea judging players for or against based on a couple of matches against us though. I watched the highlights of Brighton against Wolves with my Doghead uncle and he was exceptional.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 15, 2022, 12:54:33 PM
He's talked about like he's the reincarnation of France's magic square, where in reality he's a decent midfielder for a mid table team that we humped twice last season.

We'll live.

... and he was largely anonymous in both games against us, being made to look average by the midfielders that are so often called shit by people on here.

It's not a great idea judging players for or against based on a couple of matches against us though. I watched the highlights of Brighton against Wolves with my Doghead uncle and he was exceptional.

I reckon I've seen ful lgames with him playing about 6-7 times over the last couple of years, I can't recall him standing out in any of them and, because of how highly rated he is by some on here, I've paid a lot more attention to him in a few of those. I don't think he's a bad player and I think he could do a good job with someone like Kamara behind him, but I don't think he was ever an alternative to Kamara and I dont think signing just him would've transformed our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 15, 2022, 01:43:08 PM
I was hoping to see something like this:

Martinez
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
Kamara Bissouma
Buendia Ramsey Coutinho
Watkins
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 15, 2022, 02:03:31 PM
Sounds like he was holding-out for a top six/seven team,  so don't think he wudda come. I'm glad we got Boob-a-car instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2022, 02:07:31 PM
Ive seen Bissouma a handful of times and thought he was decent, not a world beater. I do think we might be in the realm of rating him highly the way some other clubs fans rate McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2022, 02:09:32 PM
And to add, im more twitchy about the forward options than midfield, now we have kamara. I dont see us getting into europe with Watkins and Ings as the only options, think we need someone else with pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 15, 2022, 03:40:20 PM
And to add, im more twitchy about the forward options than midfield, now we have kamara. I dont see us getting into europe with Watkins and Ings as the only options, think we need someone else with pace.
Exactly this.
Archer maybe?
I would still want to move either or both on and replace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 15, 2022, 04:51:12 PM
Rshford way too expensive for a player tha looks broken

Ox neer rated him and his injury record makes Bailey and Bert look like Captain Scarlet.

Jlingz.......need I say more. Plenty of on line clips of him being Billy big bollocks plus like any cnut from them they will think they are doing us a favour.

As for Phillips..I have not seen anything to justify the ridiculous price tag suggested

Gone right off him, no way Leeds are getting anything like what's being quoted for him either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on June 15, 2022, 05:41:57 PM
The oil bandits are in for Phillips according to that Athletic reporter who loved himself so much about breaking the story of Grealish going to that awful shithole.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 15, 2022, 06:12:57 PM
The oil bandits are in for Phillips according to that Athletic reporter who loved himself so much about breaking the story of Grealish going to that awful shithole.


stick him with the rest on the pile of shiny things
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on June 15, 2022, 06:14:44 PM
They’re welcome to him based on his performance for England.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 15, 2022, 07:34:35 PM
And his injury record.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 15, 2022, 08:00:30 PM
He’s never good enough for them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on June 15, 2022, 08:12:22 PM
Rashford is a really good player going through a bad spell.  It would be a gamble, but the upside if he gets back to his best is huge.  And yes, on form I'd say he's far better than Watkins.

But I wouldn't be breaking the bank for him at this stage.  A loan with option to buy would be perfect.

Or an average player that hit a particularly good spell in 19/20? Very little to suggest he's far better than Watkins in recent seasons.

His attitude on the pitch is diabolical. Watkins at least gives it a good go, Rashford hardly tried a leg last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 15, 2022, 08:38:08 PM
And to add, im more twitchy about the forward options than midfield, now we have kamara. I dont see us getting into europe with Watkins and Ings as the only options, think we need someone else with pace.
Exactly this.
Archer maybe?
I would still want to move either or both on and replace.

I'd love it to be Archer, a year too soon  maybe, but I think he's going to be a top player.
It's a well worn conversation on here, but I'd be happy enough moving Ings on if we could get someone else coming in. I'd like to keep Watkins for another year as despite his dodgy first touch, he does work the back line well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 15, 2022, 10:00:26 PM
And his injury record.
Injuries don’t worry them, I thought the same with Jack last summer with his shin problem but they have that many top players that any of them missing 6-8 weeks isn’t a huge issue so long as they are available at the business end
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on June 16, 2022, 01:36:31 AM
He’ll end up at City. It’ll rumble on over the summer, they’ll finally make a bid and he’ll angle a for a move having probably already agreed terms. Leeds pre-season will be compromised and then he’ll go sit on their bench. Sound familiar?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 16, 2022, 06:23:10 AM
Can’t see who he would displace in that team, Rodri is first choice in the holding role, although Fernandinho is leaving but he isn’t anywhere near his quality.

Oh well, I dislike Leeds and I like City even less so good luck to the lot of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 16, 2022, 07:08:10 AM
Can’t see who he would displace in that team, Rodri is first choice in the holding role, although Fernandinho is leaving but he isn’t anywhere near his quality.

Oh well, I dislike Leeds and I like City even less so good luck to the lot of them.

I think he’s a limited player, ive never understood the hype. Saying that City’s strategy seems to be just as much about cherry picking other clubs better players whether they need them or no, continually undermining clubs in the league where they can. Our turn last tear, Leeds this year by the looks of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2022, 07:09:06 AM
I watched Philips a few times at the end of last season. He was slow, a little like Gareth Barry slow, with the game flooding past him. His passing is decent, but he's not the player we need, and Leeds should bite their hands off. They really are following the Chelsea model these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2022, 07:19:51 AM
Phillips, albeit decent, isn't good enough to get anywhere near Rodri. Bench warmer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 16, 2022, 07:42:41 AM
If Phillips is going to replace Fernandinho City will need another centre back because that's where Fernandinho played for a lot of last season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2022, 07:46:18 AM
they can have Mings for £50m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 16, 2022, 07:51:37 AM
Can’t see who he would displace in that team, Rodri is first choice in the holding role, although Fernandinho is leaving but he isn’t anywhere near his quality.

Oh well, I dislike Leeds and I like City even less so good luck to the lot of them.

I think he’s a limited player, ive never understood the hype. Saying that City’s strategy seems to be just as much about cherry picking other clubs better players whether they need them or no, continually undermining clubs in the league where they can. Our turn last tear, Leeds this year by the looks of it.

It's not so much undermining the teams they buy the players from, it's to stop any other realistic title challengers from buying players that might improve them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 16, 2022, 09:46:55 AM
I watched Philips a few times at the end of last season. He was slow, a little like Gareth Barry slow, with the game flooding past him. His passing is decent, but he's not the player we need, and Leeds should bite their hands off. They really are following the Chelsea model these days.
He's not slow, he was injured.  Philips is an outstanding player and will show it when in a better team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 16, 2022, 09:49:14 AM
He's not outstanding, he's just decent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 16, 2022, 09:58:17 AM
I watched Philips a few times at the end of last season. He was slow, a little like Gareth Barry slow, with the game flooding past him. His passing is decent, but he's not the player we need, and Leeds should bite their hands off. They really are following the Chelsea model these days.
He's not slow, he was injured.  Philips is an outstanding player and will show it when in a better team.

He's slow. Watch him when the ball is turned over. He hides it very well with other qualities, but he's slow.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2022, 10:06:39 AM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2022, 10:10:29 AM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on June 16, 2022, 10:32:37 AM
Can’t see who he would displace in that team, Rodri is first choice in the holding role, although Fernandinho is leaving but he isn’t anywhere near his quality.

Oh well, I dislike Leeds and I like City even less so good luck to the lot of them.

I think he’s a limited player, ive never understood the hype. Saying that City’s strategy seems to be just as much about cherry picking other clubs better players whether they need them or no, continually undermining clubs in the league where they can. Our turn last tear, Leeds this year by the looks of it.

It's not so much undermining the teams they buy the players from, it's to stop any other realistic title challengers from buying players that might improve them.

Yep absolutely this, I still think they bought Jack to stop United going for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2022, 10:32:57 AM
The same agent of Grealish, isn't it? After Raiola lifestyle'd himself to death, Barnett is top of the agenttwat league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2022, 10:55:45 AM
The same agent of Grealish, isn't it? After Raiola lifestyle'd himself to death, Barnett is top of the agenttwat league.
It’s a tough league to win that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 16, 2022, 11:16:34 AM
I must admit i didn't get the hype at first but he was excellent for England at the euros and generally around that time. Then he got injured again, and when i've seen him since he's not looked that great. I don't think we'll be going for him, don't think we'd get him if we were and to be honest i'm not all that arsed at the price we'd probably have to stump up.
I'd still like to see us get another solid player though, someone similar to Jedinak would do it albeit a higher standard and more young up and coming version. We always looked solid when he was in the team, and a higher spec version for where we are now would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on June 16, 2022, 11:29:45 AM
And to add, im more twitchy about the forward options than midfield, now we have kamara. I dont see us getting into europe with Watkins and Ings as the only options, think we need someone else with pace.
Exactly this.
Archer maybe?
I would still want to move either or both on and replace.

I'd definitely keep Archer and PLAY him. Youthful exuberance (with a great eye for goal) feeding off Buendia and Coutinho - Yes please!

This kid has got it and I can't wait to see him in the first team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 16, 2022, 02:13:48 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on June 16, 2022, 02:27:37 PM
After I saw Phillips in those ridiculous Quaver shoes I didn't want him anywhere near our team. Sorry (not sorry).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 16, 2022, 03:07:52 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?

Probably because 'he looks like a chimp, he looks like a chi - imp, Gareth Bale, he looks like a chimp' so he could go there and be around some of his own species.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 16, 2022, 04:04:23 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 16, 2022, 04:10:55 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 16, 2022, 04:29:40 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉
That don't impress me much
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 16, 2022, 04:30:12 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉
I think a few need to lighten up a bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 16, 2022, 04:30:49 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉
That don't impress me much
Problem with Phillips is that he's got the moves but hasn't got the touch
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 16, 2022, 05:07:06 PM
Rumours we’ve been offered €4m for Trezeguet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 16, 2022, 05:11:55 PM
It's peanuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 16, 2022, 05:37:48 PM
Take it and good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 16, 2022, 05:49:54 PM
Anything over 2.5m ish is worth taking to help ffp.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on June 16, 2022, 05:58:52 PM
Anything over 2.5m ish is worth taking to help ffp.

It's a shame really, and a sign of how the premier league has distorted prices, because he's only 27, and clearly a more accomplished player now than the one who joined us for almost £9m three years ago - so you'd hope to get at least your money back when selling him.  But the reality is we could only get 9m from teams in the premier league, or from a handful of teams in Europe.  He's worth more than 4m euros, but if that's all we can get, then so be it - he has no future here, clearly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 16, 2022, 06:27:48 PM
I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉

Speak for yourself.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 16, 2022, 08:28:16 PM
I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉

Speak for yourself.

😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 16, 2022, 08:38:05 PM
Rumours we’ve been offered €4m for Trezeguet.
SELL SELL SELL
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 16, 2022, 09:22:27 PM
Rumours we’ve been offered €4m for Trezeguet.
SELL SELL SELL

Sell on clause will be attached I would hope.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on June 16, 2022, 09:22:43 PM
Well if Trez is off he’s been well worth his transfer fee with his very important goals at the back post for us. He’s good lad, when he’s not trying to do a Bamford and conning the ref.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on June 16, 2022, 10:25:43 PM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉
That don't impress me much

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 17, 2022, 12:20:36 AM
Fairly tenuous link to Bale along with Spurs and Newcastle, probably his agent trying to drum up interest.
well there is the Belfry and Dudley Zoo nearby.
I get the golf reference, but the zoo?
put it this way, if he auditioned for the next planet of the apes, he wouldn’t need much make up.
Not a good analogy

I think there are a few who need to look in the mirror and realise they’re not exactly Brad Pitt themselves 😉

True I look nothing like Brad Pitt
I do get mistaken for that Chris Hemsworth quite a lot though   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 17, 2022, 08:44:25 AM
True I look nothing like Brad Pitt
I do get mistaken for that Chris Hemsworth quite a lot though   


Like this?


(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/rohSW6fcL4hcAVujAVFaxX-1024-80.jpg.webp)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2022, 12:06:08 PM
Well, we haven't bought anyone for nearly 2 weeks. It's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 17, 2022, 01:34:33 PM
True I look nothing like Brad Pitt
I do get mistaken for that Chris Hemsworth quite a lot though   


Like this?


(https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/rohSW6fcL4hcAVujAVFaxX-1024-80.jpg.webp)

You’ve seen me then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2022, 01:40:20 PM
If you crossed Chris Hemsworth with Sammy Lee you'd be mostly there.

Could be worse, I got dubbed 'skinny Jaap Stam' by a bunch of Dutch kids on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 17, 2022, 02:51:35 PM
Was that because of your effortlessly cool defending or because you have no hair? If it's the latter i know how you feel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 17, 2022, 03:25:36 PM
Was that because of your effortlessly cool defending or because you have no hair? If it's the latter i know how you feel.

Nah, it's because he retired 15 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 17, 2022, 05:08:22 PM
Was that because of your effortlessly cool defending or because you have no hair? If it's the latter i know how you feel.

I'd like to think it's the former, but it's probably more a combination of the latter and Drummond's suggestion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2022, 12:18:12 PM
If you crossed Chris Hemsworth with Sammy Lee you'd be mostly there.

Could be worse, I got dubbed 'skinny Jaap Stam' by a bunch of Dutch kids on Saturday.

That, my friend, is karma. Adrian fucking Chiles. Not forgotten, not forgiven.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on June 18, 2022, 01:30:08 PM
You look like Adrian Chiles?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 18, 2022, 01:53:40 PM
You look like Adrian Chiles?

I do not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 18, 2022, 01:53:53 PM
A £3 B £3 E £3 L £3

£12 the lot cheaper than Iroegbunam
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 18, 2022, 02:27:22 PM
You look like Adrian Chiles?

I do not.

He just writes like he looks like Adrian Chiles
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2022, 02:56:59 PM
As put downs go, that is up there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2022, 02:59:00 PM
A £3 B £3 E £3 L £3

£12 the lot cheaper than Iroegbunam

Trouble is it spells Bale, and £200k a week on a retired golfer just to keep him fit for Wales is a hit steep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on June 18, 2022, 04:06:02 PM
A £3 B £3 E £3 L £3

£12 the lot cheaper than Iroegbunam

Trouble is it spells Bale, and £200k a week on a retired golfer just to keep him fit for Wales is a hit steep.

No to bale. We don't want to go back to the days of  player picking up a wage. We want players that want to win trophies.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 18, 2022, 04:14:17 PM
No to Bale; no to Suarez.
Lange et al can do better than in terms of value and longevity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2022, 04:54:33 PM
Bale would be a Ginola type signing. Just never going to work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 18, 2022, 04:55:15 PM
Suarez does nothing to help with what we need longer term. Which is develop a top striker who can be with us for their peak, like Archer. If we need short term options, then stick with Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 18, 2022, 05:53:21 PM
Suarez does nothing to help with what we need longer term. Which is develop a top striker who can be with us for their peak, like Archer. If we need short term options, then stick with Ings.

Wouldn’t Suarez help with exactly that if we think Archer is that option?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 18, 2022, 06:09:40 PM
Archer learning from Suarez the footballer would be no bad thing. He's been a phenomenal centre forward, if a bit nippy at times.

Bale, I just don't get it. He's been retired for 2 seasons. Even at Spurs he barely turned up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 18, 2022, 06:52:47 PM
Archer learning from Suarez the footballer would be no bad thing. He's been a phenomenal centre forward, if a bit nippy at times.

Bale, I just don't get it. He's been retired for 2 seasons. Even at Spurs he barely turned up.

He scored about 15/16 goals didn’t he?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 18, 2022, 07:25:19 PM
Bale would be a Ginola type signing. Just never going to work.

I think it would be a lot worse to be honest. At least Ginola had been excellent at Tottenham not long before joining. To use an over the top expression I heard on here the other day ‘if Bale signs I think I’d just give up’.
I’d take Suarez though for a season whilst Archer continues to develop. Football wise he’s always been a good pro and seemed like a team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 18, 2022, 08:34:01 PM
Archer learning from Suarez the footballer would be no bad thing. He's been a phenomenal centre forward, if a bit nippy at times.

Bale, I just don't get it. He's been retired for 2 seasons. Even at Spurs he barely turned up.

He scored about 15/16 goals didn’t he?

11 league goals in 20 games, the same as Ollie Watkins managed this year in 35.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 18, 2022, 09:44:08 PM
Could you get 2 footballers more different than Golfer and Biter?
one looks like he couldn't give 2 fucks except maybe when he does his sons of Glyndwr bollocks and the other would probably go all rabid dog over a game of darts.

we wont be signing either though.

How is the Pogba signing going ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 18, 2022, 11:39:04 PM
Could you get 2 footballers more different than Golfer and Biter?
one looks like he couldn't give 2 fucks except maybe when he does his sons of Glyndwr bollocks and the other would probably go all rabid dog over a game of darts.

we wont be signing either though.

How is the Pogba signing going ?
Yep, don’t think we’re in for either. Nothing but gut instinct, but Bale feels like he’d be very expensive and not offer anything really. Suarez feels marginally more plausible, but I can’t help feeling that it’s been a bit too high profile for the way we go about things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 19, 2022, 12:45:14 AM
11 in 20! Sounds like he cashed in when they were home and dry too me, I thought he looked way off it there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 19, 2022, 08:36:25 AM
You look like Adrian Chiles?

I do not.

He just writes like he looks like Adrian Chiles

Ha!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2022, 08:58:08 AM
Could you get 2 footballers more different than Golfer and Biter?
one looks like he couldn't give 2 fucks except maybe when he does his sons of Glyndwr bollocks and the other would probably go all rabid dog over a game of darts.

we wont be signing either though.

How is the Pogba signing going ?

I can understand the Suarez link. The Bale one less so. Bringing up Pogba was a bit weird though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 19, 2022, 09:35:50 AM
Archer learning from Suarez the footballer would be no bad thing. He's been a phenomenal centre forward, if a bit nippy at times.

Bale, I just don't get it. He's been retired for 2 seasons. Even at Spurs he barely turned up.

He scored about 15/16 goals didn’t he?

11 league goals in 20 games, the same as Ollie Watkins managed this year in 35.

It’s a fair argument, someone else pointed out he’d scored 16 in 34 total that season. I think a lot of the time it was from the bench too, in one way it makes the goal scoring record even more impressive and on the other it makes you think he can’t run around for all that long but I’d be happy to take Suarez to come off the bench so I can’t say much there.
He only played 20 games total the year before with 3 goals for Madrid and then 1 in 7 games total last year. He’s 33 soon, and we have Coutinho and Buendia to play that role. As you rightly point out our strikers goalscoring records aren’t the best, and that’s why I think a Suarez coming off the bench for one of those would be more useful.

And the biggest issue for me is that I think we’d be paying him a fortune to get in shape for Wales World Cup. Bollox to that!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 19, 2022, 09:52:15 AM
I really don’t see hunger in Bale. Suarez is a beast of a competitor and that’s what we could do with. Someone who hates to lose and fights.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on June 19, 2022, 10:12:15 AM
Really hope the rumours are not true. We should be keeping Archer and not signing Gareth Bale.

Ridiculous
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 19, 2022, 10:28:07 AM
Really hope the rumours are not true. We should be keeping Archer and not signing Gareth Bale.

Ridiculous

Moaning about something that hasn't happened. Wilma is bored.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 19, 2022, 11:18:00 AM
I do hope any future transfer business this summer is more ambitious than the bale / ox links. 

I think they are probably lazy journalism but I just don’t see either would work. 

Undoubtably talented but I don’t see ox as an upgrade on McGinn or Ramsey and is too injury prone.  Strikes me as another Barkley like signing

Bale - don’t think he has the drive and hunger that we need

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 19, 2022, 11:31:44 AM
Anyone signing Bale will be getting a player terrified of getting injured until after the word cup and maybe a player who had just played his last truly important game once it finishes.  Then again, he is some player when motivated and fit.   Not arsed either way, personally.   Suarez would be a pretty good bench option.  It's weird, I like Watkins and Ings, but wouldn't be bothered if one of them / both moved on, so long as we got a truly top drawer player coming in to replace them.  I also really want to see Archer in the first team this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 19, 2022, 12:42:59 PM
I'd have doubts with Bale that once the World cup is done, he will be 'injured' can't be bothered or a bit of both.  Going to Cardiff might be the best place for him.  If he is bothered, he is an exceptional player and would be well worth a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 19, 2022, 01:19:47 PM
Bale and Oxlade Chamberlain are a no from me.

Over priced wages and often Injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on June 19, 2022, 01:38:31 PM
Bale and Oxlade Chamberlain are a no from me.

Over priced wages and often Injured.

Agreed Oxlade Chamberlain has never regained his form after a serious knee injury incurred about 3 or 4 years ago, has only started a handful of league games this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2022, 01:51:11 PM
Motivated and fit both would improve us, but the chances of either being both of those at once are very slim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 19, 2022, 03:32:43 PM
Bale and Oxlade Chamberlain are a no from me.

Over priced wages and often Injured.
Yes a no. Their next stop is the "pet food factory" otherwise known as MLS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on June 19, 2022, 04:46:04 PM
I still think the MLS would suit Gareth Bale at this point.  Less demanding, season finishes in October, so just in time for the World Cup and plenty of golf if he goes somewhere like Florida or California!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bryan on June 19, 2022, 10:51:09 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain hasn’t don’t a thing in any shirt to warrant coming here. Can’t manage more than 20 games a season, can’t manage more than 4 goals a season

Bale is obviously better than him. I’d take him because I think unlike some players he’d be happy to come off the bench and not start every game. Plus he’s not a prick like Suarez and had won more champions leagues than most of the England squad.

Might also teach someone how to strike a set piece
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2022, 10:52:26 PM
Oxlade-Chamberlain hasn’t don’t a thing in any shirt to warrant coming here. Can’t manage more than 20 games a season, can’t manage more than 4 goals a season

Bale is obviously better than him. I’d take him because I think unlike some players he’d be happy to come off the bench and not start every game. Plus he’s not a prick like Suarez and had won more champions leagues than most of the England squad.

Might also teach someone how to strike a set piece

I beg to differ.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bryan on June 19, 2022, 11:12:48 PM
Go on then, what’s he done?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2022, 11:14:05 PM
Shit haircut, shit celebration, diving cheat.

https://www.whoateallthepies.tv/tottenham_hotspur/142373/football-gif-gareth-bales-laughable-dive-vs-aston-villa-deserves-to-be-punished.html
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bryan on June 19, 2022, 11:18:40 PM
But not a racist who bites people?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 19, 2022, 11:32:54 PM
I'm not debating Suarez's twattiness. They're both pricks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on June 20, 2022, 02:39:18 AM




I am now coming around and would not object to him getting a 12-month deal, and then he can go and play for the Las vegas villains.

Or am I just beginning to realise that the target is to finish 6th, so we will probably only recruit squad players as opposed to more existing or potential Superstars?

The thing about football is it's the hope that kills you......however optimism is a strategy for making a better future.

So I like the idea of a few experience players on short-term contracts whilst we wait for our fantastic youth  program to deliver the backbone of our team for years to come ...UTV




Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 20, 2022, 06:04:40 AM
I would be very surprised if Bale was signed. Apart from the striking position, we’re well stocked in terms of creative attackers and even with an improved midfield, it would be asking a lot for it to accommodate both Bale and Coutinho in the same side. Plus, both would want to be the central hub of the team and in Bale’s case, he thrives more when he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 20, 2022, 08:30:55 AM
Linked to Reuben McAllister in the S*n. Young player (15-16?) from Bristol City's U23 squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 20, 2022, 09:02:09 AM
Bale will want guranteed first team football so he’s in his best shape for the World Cup.  We cannot promise him that.  A gig in the US is way more likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 10:13:44 AM
Linked to Reuben McAllister in the S*n. Young player (15-16?) from Bristol City's U23 squad.

That'll please Mr Popodopolous.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 20, 2022, 10:14:53 AM
Listening to Sky Sports - they reckon Bale will only play a certain number of games before the World Cup, just to keep up his fitness levels

After the world cup is finished he may retire as they doubt he will have the motivation to continue playing football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2022, 10:17:02 AM
Bale would be an absolutely stupid move.

He didn't give a shit about Real Madrid in his latter years (not compared to Wales and golf, in any case, which he thought was funny) and he's basically looking for somewhere for a nice jog around until the world cup, after which he'll have absolutely no motivation to even pretend to try.

Suarez would be bad enough, but Bale would be even worse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on June 20, 2022, 10:19:13 AM
Linked to Reuben McAllister in the S*n. Young player (15-16?) from Bristol City's U23 squad.

That'll please Mr Popodopolous.

What a grade A bellend he was.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 20, 2022, 10:19:35 AM
There's as much chance of us signing Bale as there is Johnson showing genuine contrition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 20, 2022, 11:21:59 AM
Only on 'football insider' so quite possibly rubbish, but is saying the club would accept a big offer for McGinn. Says he has a reputation behind the scenes for being hard to manage and 'whinging', also repeats the claims about him not getting on with Beale.

I like him, but would take upwards of £40m if offered as would free up a lot for FFP given we paid so little. Chunky sell on fee for Hibs though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 20, 2022, 11:33:09 AM
Only on 'football insider' so quite possibly rubbish, but is saying the club would accept a big offer for McGinn. Says he has a reputation behind the scenes for being hard to manage and 'whinging', also repeats the claims about him not getting on with Beale.

I like him, but would take upwards of £40m if offered as would free up a lot for FFP given we paid so little. Chunky sell on fee for Hibs though.

I've heard before that he didn't get on with Beale and I've heard him, himself, say that he doesn't enjoy training. I find that part credible and I wouldn't be too surprised if the club were privately saying that if a big enough offer came in, we had ideas on who we could replace him with.

I've not liked seeing him on the right midfield as it makes him turn inside a lot which slows moves down. Defensive midfielders have a bigger role to play in Gerrard's preferred system and McGinn isn't one even though he's had to play there. Selling would benefit our FFP.

I think the 2 key things would be 1) getting the right amount for him and 2) bringing in the right replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 20, 2022, 12:04:26 PM
I wouldn’t sell SJM on FFP grounds unless it was genuinely an issue. Think he’s a great player who’ll flourish with a good defensive midfielder behind him. Certainly not for £40m, we’d not (easily) replace him for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 20, 2022, 12:16:40 PM
I wouldn’t sell SJM on FFP grounds unless it was genuinely an issue. Think he’s a great player who’ll flourish with a good defensive midfielder behind him. Certainly not for £40m, we’d not (easily) replace him for that.

The thing is though, with a good defensive midfielder in the side, I don't think that there's a regular starting place for SJM
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 20, 2022, 12:18:45 PM
Looking at which players are being linked with moves out is interesting.

Trezeguet (Trabsponsor £8m), Traore (vague links), El Ghazi (certain to go) - all make sense given we have a lot of wingers on the books and seldom use any of them.

Ings (vague links suggesting he might be sold), Davis (Forrest £10m), Archer (loans linked to Watford, PNE, Rangers).

McGinn (>£40m Man Utd, Spurs), Luiz (>£25m Roma), Sanson (?).

Hause (West Ham), Mings (vague link to Newcastle >£30m).

Add to that other fringe players like Kalinic, Steer, Nakamba and there are lot of players that could be out the door should we find homes for them.

If even half of that go then there should be plenty of space for another big purchase or two (Striker and central midfield), and for some of the more advanced youth players to get on the bench (especially with 5 subs). Can see Chukwuemeka, Kessler-Hayden, Archer, and Iroebunam getting plenty of appearances, and maybe Philogene Bidace also.

Looking at the rumours for outgoings, I certainly think we will get another central midfielder (been linked with Oxlade Chamberlain), and a striker. Would also not surprise me if we signed another central defender as well (linked with Collins (Burnley), Bassey (Rangers). If that happened maybe Mings will go (like Targett don't think he would hang around on a bench) although I'd rather he stayed as competition.

The squad will be lot better suited to having good competition for the preffered formation if that happens.

Edit - forgot Sanson, can't see him staying.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2022, 12:20:32 PM
Is FFP really a problem?

By my maths our total spend (source transfermarkt.co.uk) from last summer until now is c£166m and we've recouped c£130m over the same period (Jack, Targett, Samata, Engels).  So net spend of approx £36m so far over two summers and the Jan window.  This doesn't sound like high roller stuff to me. 

Even if we hadn't sold Jack last summer surely we would have budgeted to spend at least that last summer?  I appreciate wages have moved significantly and I don't know the FFP maths, but surely £50m a year must be achievable for big clubs?   Even if we spend another £60m this summer, we'd still only be net spend of £50m per year for 21/22 and 22/23.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on June 20, 2022, 12:26:52 PM
I think we’ve played SJM out of position for a while now. Even under Smith this season he was played as a defensive midfielder at times.
As we all know he’s at his best on the front foot, running beyond our forward(s) or at the opposition. For me, it’s frustrating as he’s a terrific player if used properly. I wouldn’t contemplate letting him go but would play to his strengths and not restrict him.
If he fell out with Beale that’s no big issues as things like this happen all the time. He definitely doesn’t show it in his effort on the pitch which is where it counts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 20, 2022, 12:37:16 PM
I’m not a big fan of two of the players we could get big money for - SJM and Ollie. But then again I don’t think too much change is healthy and they’ve both got great attitudes - on the pitch at least. Luiz I’d cash in on as I think he’s out of contract next year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 20, 2022, 12:58:06 PM
Bale would be an absolutely stupid move.

He didn't give a shit about Real Madrid in his latter years (not compared to Wales and golf, in any case, which he thought was funny) and he's basically looking for somewhere for a nice jog around until the world cup, after which he'll have absolutely no motivation to even pretend to try.

Its rare that i'd ever be 100% against an incoming transfer, i was with Drinkwater but don't really remember any other certainly in recent times. I would be with Bale though, it would be utterly moronic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 01:00:25 PM
Its rare that i'd ever be 100% against an incoming transfer, i was with Drinkwater but don't really remember any other certainly in recent times. I would be with Bale though, it would be utterly moronic.

You'd go apeshit, wouldn't you?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 20, 2022, 01:01:06 PM
Indeed :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 01:24:11 PM
Bale would be an absolutely stupid move.

He didn't give a shit about Real Madrid in his latter years (not compared to Wales and golf, in any case, which he thought was funny) and he's basically looking for somewhere for a nice jog around until the world cup, after which he'll have absolutely no motivation to even pretend to try.

Suarez would be bad enough, but Bale would be even worse.

To be fair to Bale, Real Madrid stopped giving a shit about Bale long before he stopped with them. They tried everything to force him out, the press, the fans, dropping him from the squad, benching him but leaving him there to get splinters, I actually felt sorry for him but that's Madrid.

That said, you're right in that he'd only be looking to improve his fitness and once again he'd be wasting his exceptional talent. Suarez makes slightly more sense but it would only be for a season and he'd be another saving his energy for the World Cup. We do need a proper striker that can deliver week in, week out, somebody that may only get one chance all game but takes it. I'd cash in now on Ollie, his value will only decrease and there won't be so many interested decent clubs around this time next year. The only problem I see is there are quite a few clubs looking to bring in a top striker and competition will be fierce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 20, 2022, 02:04:15 PM
Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 20, 2022, 02:11:13 PM
Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.
And could have left at any time to carry on his career at the top level, but decided to stay to earn even more money that he'll ever be able to spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2022, 02:14:26 PM
Could he have left at any time? He agreed to go to China but Real Madrid pulled the plug at the last minute because they suddenly decided they wanted a massive transfer fee for a player they were desperate to get rid of.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2022, 02:53:45 PM
Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.
And could have left at any time to carry on his career at the top level, but decided to stay to earn even more money that he'll ever be able to spend.

Don't get me wrong, I don't feel sorry for him, but.... He scored vital goals in 2 and started another 2 champions league finals. Charlatans tend to be shite, and for a long time he was brilliant. Last 2 years he's sat on huge money, but can you blame him? I would have done the same. I don't want him at villa, but he's copping some harsh stuff there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 03:06:20 PM
Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

Are you quoting Marca there, Eamonn? ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 20, 2022, 03:13:17 PM
Is FFP really a problem?

By my maths our total spend (source transfermarkt.co.uk) from last summer until now is c£166m and we've recouped c£130m over the same period (Jack, Targett, Samata, Engels).  So net spend of approx £36m so far over two summers and the Jan window.  This doesn't sound like high roller stuff to me. 

Even if we hadn't sold Jack last summer surely we would have budgeted to spend at least that last summer?  I appreciate wages have moved significantly and I don't know the FFP maths, but surely £50m a year must be achievable for big clubs?   Even if we spend another £60m this summer, we'd still only be net spend of £50m per year for 21/22 and 22/23.
Its not based on transfer spend it is based on losses over a 3 year window. The spend in any one year is subject to amortization, ie a player bought for 50 mil on a 5 year contract = 10 million in cost per annum + his wages for the year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2022, 03:37:09 PM
Can't be that upset with Bale fleecing Real Madrid. They're one of the scummiest, most entitled clubs in the world. Like Juventus and Barcelona, they think theg should be allowed to play by different rules to everyone else.

Still don't want him at Villa though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 20, 2022, 04:19:55 PM
Tenuous links in some Italian newspaper to being interested in Alexis Sanchez on a Bosman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2022, 04:22:43 PM
No doubt Bale has been a terrific player. But I’m 99% certain he would just be looking to tick over and make the World Cup - definitely not the mindset we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 20, 2022, 04:54:29 PM
Today's McGinn story is an extrapolation of 'the argument leading to Beale's exit' with a few other randcom thoughts and clickbait stories being put into a tumble dryer.  There's nothing exciting going on and they need advertising income. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 20, 2022, 05:01:26 PM
Tenuous links in some Italian newspaper to being interested in Alexis Sanchez on a Bosman.


all these  links with old buggers
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2022, 05:03:59 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2022, 05:09:07 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

We are getting closer to signing Gary Lineker and Juninho. Oh and Benny McCarthy and Carlton Palmer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 05:11:36 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

Rubbish! None of them have Liverpool connections.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 20, 2022, 05:12:56 PM
Feel sorry for Bale? Come on...why did Madrid bench him in the first place? The cnut learned five words of Spanish in 10 years, ate Welsh Rarebit for lunch every day and didn't join in reindeer games. He was a complete charlatan.

Are you quoting Marca there, Eamonn? ;)

He'll be shouting Hala Madrid soon. I have enjoyed Perez and LaLiga throwing their little fit at Uefa over Mbappe. For a club that has bullied much of world football having been bankrolled by Spain, it is funny to see the shoe on the other foot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2022, 05:14:28 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

Rubbish! None of them have Liverpool connections.

so are we signing Ian Rush and King Kenny?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 05:23:25 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

Rubbish! None of them have Liverpool connections.

so are we signing Ian Rush and King Kenny?

Unfortunately not. A new Villa frontline of Suarez and Andy Carroll with Bernard Diomede supply from the wing is doing the rounds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 06:16:15 PM
Also doing the rounds is every former PL player over 30. Latest is 33 year old Alexis Sanchez from Inter who we are willing to pay 125k a week. Not sure if that's pounds or euros but he's another that would be lucky to get that from us in Turkish Lira. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 20, 2022, 07:28:09 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 20, 2022, 07:31:26 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.
An untried youngster apparently. The smart money is on Just Fontaine signing on deadline day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 20, 2022, 07:47:28 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

Rubbish! None of them have Liverpool connections.

so are we signing Ian Rush and King Kenny?

Unfortunately not. A new Villa frontline of Suarez and Andy Carroll with Bernard Diomede supply from the wing is doing the rounds.

Can we also get back Aly Cissokho while we are at it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2022, 07:52:19 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.

Who he?  Position?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 20, 2022, 07:53:40 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.

Who he?  Position?
He was a striker for France at the 1978,1962 and 1986 World Cups. He's 67 now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2022, 07:58:27 PM
And he's only 67?  Bargain.  Any connection to Liverpool?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 20, 2022, 07:59:36 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.

Who he?  Position?
He was a striker for France at the 1978,1962 and 1986 World Cups. He's 67 now.

Impressive longevity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 20, 2022, 08:01:05 PM
"Away from football, Rocheteau has been noted for his far left views, and has been associated with the Ligue communiste révolutionnaire and Lutte Ouvrière."

Sign him up, Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2022, 08:04:12 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.

Who he?  Position?
He was a striker for France at the 1978,1962 and 1986 World Cups. He's 67 now.

Impressive longevity.

Competing in his first as a 7 year old is the most impressive part.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on June 20, 2022, 08:15:54 PM
We’ve apparently been linked today with that Chinese guy who invented Tsu-Chu in 206 BC. Plenty of experience so would be good to have around the young kids in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 20, 2022, 08:22:47 PM
We’ve apparently been linked today with that Chinese guy who invented Tsu-Chu in 206 BC. Plenty of experience so would be good to have around the young kids in the dressing room.
Smart move - china is where the big moneys going to be in the future
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 20, 2022, 08:25:10 PM
We’ve apparently been linked today with that Chinese guy who invented Tsu-Chu in 206 BC. Plenty of experience so would be good to have around the young kids in the dressing room.
Tsu Chu ? Bless you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2022, 08:47:14 PM
Competing in his first as a 7 year old is the most impressive part.

If they're good enough, they're old enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Kevin Dawson on June 20, 2022, 08:57:54 PM
Rumours we are preparing bids for Luis Figo, Mario Kempes and Ferenc Puskas. Exciting times.

Rubbish! None of them have Liverpool connections.

so are we signing Ian Rush and King Kenny?

Unfortunately not. A new Villa frontline of Suarez and Andy Carroll with Bernard Diomede supply from the wing is doing the rounds.

Can we also get back Aly Cissokho while we are at it?

Please no. He's possibly the worst player we've ever had.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2022, 09:03:04 PM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 20, 2022, 09:56:40 PM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on June 20, 2022, 10:40:40 PM
Eric Eric Djemba?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 11:14:25 PM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”

That made me laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 20, 2022, 11:32:53 PM
Rumours we're after Dominique Rocheteau - available on a free apparently.

Free cheese, you've got my interest?*

*Vegans look away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 21, 2022, 06:21:27 AM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”

That made me laugh.
"Doing a Tonev"
Is a phrase thats has stuck with me when there is any wildly optimistic blaze over the bar.
It sounds to like a wrestling term uttered by Kent Walten on World of Sport while I was waiting for the footy results on a Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on June 21, 2022, 08:00:12 AM
Pretty sure the link below contains photos of the last Tonev attempt on goal:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-61856975
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 21, 2022, 08:38:04 AM
Pretty sure the link below contains photos of the last Tonev attempt on goal:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-northamptonshire-61856975
Love it!
I wonder whether Tonev was always told to aim for the stars when he embarked on his football career.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on June 21, 2022, 09:52:40 AM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”

Savo is top trumps in this context.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 21, 2022, 10:29:54 AM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”

Savo is top trumps in this context.


I feel there is a niche market for crap trumps
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2022, 10:49:24 AM
Tonev doesn't deserve to be in the pantheon of Savo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 11:12:03 AM
Savo scored a wonder goal the last time we won a trophy and played in a side that finished 4th and 5th in consecutive seasons.

He was subsequently sold to Roma for what was a massive transfer fee at the time and top scored at a Euros for his country.

Tonev is, was and always will be just shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
He was subsequently sold to Roma for what was a massive transfer fee at the time and top scored at a Euros for his country.

Zaragoza
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 21, 2022, 11:23:04 AM
I'll raise you Aleksander "No Footed" Tonev

Whenever a player blasts a shot way over the bar, my standard response is still to shout “Tonev”

Savo is top trumps in this context.

"Savo" used to be the shout before Tonev came to Villa.

However, although he had a few bad misses, the former was actually a very good player

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 21, 2022, 11:24:05 AM
Savo scored a wonder goal the last time we won a trophy and played in a side that finished 4th and 5th in consecutive seasons.

He was subsequently sold to Roma for what was a massive transfer fee at the time and top scored at a Euros for his country.

Tonev is, was and always will be just shit.

Quite - there’s a bit of a different level there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 11:24:44 AM
He was subsequently sold to Roma for what was a massive transfer fee at the time and top scored at a Euros for his country.

Zaragoza

Yeah, I meant from there to Roma, not directly from us, as if to underline he was a bloody good footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 21, 2022, 11:27:13 AM
He was subsequently sold to Roma for what was a massive transfer fee at the time and top scored at a Euros for his country.

Zaragoza

Beat me to it.  He did go to Parma though for a few years, everything else in Lee's post is correct especially the Tonev being shit bit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2022, 11:29:47 AM
Savo was a perfectly decent stiker for us. 10-12 goals a season and a 1 in 3 ratio. He was a great foil for the more prolific Yorke too, and set up quite a few. That's what we need to get to, having a main striker getting closer to 20 goals, and a support striker getting 10-12. Our problem now is that our main striker in Watkins has those support striker sort of stats.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 11:36:38 AM
We need a ruthless striker. We have one, he's just unproven at this level right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 21, 2022, 12:52:30 PM
Savo was a perfectly decent stiker for us. 10-12 goals a season and a 1 in 3 ratio. He was a great foil for the more prolific Yorke too, and set up quite a few. That's what we need to get to, having a main striker getting closer to 20 goals, and a support striker getting 10-12. Our problem now is that our main striker in Watkins has those support striker sort of stats.

This is a very good point
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on June 21, 2022, 01:25:44 PM
Savo was a perfectly decent stiker for us. 10-12 goals a season and a 1 in 3 ratio. He was a great foil for the more prolific Yorke too, and set up quite a few. That's what we need to get to, having a main striker getting closer to 20 goals, and a support striker getting 10-12. Our problem now is that our main striker in Watkins has those support striker sort of stats.

This is a very good point

No argument about his overall return, but when he missed it was a threat to aircraft landing at Elmdon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on June 21, 2022, 01:33:07 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 21, 2022, 01:38:03 PM
He was a good player despite the fact that the Wolves and Albion lot thought he was hilariously bad. But then again you wouldn’t expect them to notice some of his subtle ‘continental’ qualities, when they were used to the silky skills of Steve Bull and Lee Hughes.
Saying that though, Yorke and Savo as gifted as they were did lack a certain directness and pace and we needed a third option along those lines to progress. So we signed Stan Collymore and then it all went tits up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 21, 2022, 02:11:14 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.
He missed a bucket load of chances when he first joined and picked up the comedy reputation.  But once he'd settled in he bacame a very accompished player.  Even when not scoring he was a very important player for us and we looked much better when he was in the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 02:27:48 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.

Agreed, I also seem to recall the Sunday Mirror running a "Missalotevic" headline on the morning of the league Cup Final '96. >:(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on June 21, 2022, 02:32:40 PM
Still early but I’d hoped we would have followed up the statement signings of Kamara and Carlos with one or two others. We can’t be brining players into the club in August if we want to really hit the start of the season being better prepared than last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 02:36:01 PM
We can’t be brining players into the club in August if we want to really hit the start of the season being better prepared than last year.

We'll be in a right pickle if we delay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 21, 2022, 02:44:44 PM
Still early but I’d hoped we would have followed up the statement signings of Kamara and Carlos with one or two others. We can’t be brining players into the club in August if we want to really hit the start of the season being better prepared than last year.
salty.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 21, 2022, 02:48:01 PM
We can’t be brining players into the club in August if we want to really hit the start of the season being better prepared than last year.

We'll be in a right pickle if we delay.

The Jawdees will be happy with their oil money though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on June 21, 2022, 02:56:25 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.

Agreed, I also seem to recall the Sunday Mirror running a "Missalotevic" headline on the morning of the league Cup Final '96. >:(

Think the problem with Savo was that we were all expecting him to be a prolific goalscorer, which he never was (at least not for us). His control, hold up play and passing could be sublime at times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 21, 2022, 04:17:29 PM
Is this the transfer thread or a reminisce of all our yesterdays
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2022, 04:25:11 PM
Isn't that just life after a certain point?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2022, 04:25:58 PM
A few rumours linking us to this fella..Ibrahim Sangaré of PSV. £30m buy out clause. Maybe we could throw in El Ghazi if their coach, Ruddy Horseface wants him.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 04:31:54 PM
A few rumours linking us to this fella..Ibrahim Sangaré of PSV. £30m buy out clause. Maybe we could throw in El Ghazi if their coach, Ruddy Horseface wants him.

Shouldn't be a problem, only Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester United and Newcastle also reportedly interested in him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 04:33:18 PM
Is this the transfer thread or a reminisce of all our yesterdays

No concrete bids yet for McGinn or Luiz so now it looks as though they're here to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2022, 04:34:28 PM
I thought Newcastle were meant to be signing Mbappe, Neymar and the likes
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 04:35:09 PM
Is this the transfer thread or a reminisce of all our yesterdays

No concrete bids yet for McGinn or Luiz so now it looks as though they're here to stay.

I think we're looking for cash only
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2022, 04:48:58 PM
A few rumours linking us to this fella..Ibrahim Sangaré of PSV. £30m buy out clause. Maybe we could throw in El Ghazi if their coach, Ruddy Horseface wants him.

Shouldn't be a problem, only Liverpool, Chelsea, Manchester United and Newcastle also reportedly interested in him.

Liverpool don't want him, Chelsea don't need him, Man United can't afford him and Newcastle think he's too boring.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 21, 2022, 05:04:07 PM
Man United and Atletico wanted Kamara but he chose to join us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 21, 2022, 05:13:17 PM
Is this the transfer thread or a reminisce of all our yesterdays

No concrete bids yet for McGinn or Luiz so now it looks as though they're here to stay.

I think we're looking for cash only

Not putting it through the books save on the VAT
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holte L2 on June 21, 2022, 06:44:43 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.

Agreed, I also seem to recall the Sunday Mirror running a "Missalotevic" headline on the morning of the league Cup Final '96. >:(

Think the problem with Savo was that we were all expecting him to be a prolific goalscorer, which he never was (at least not for us). His control, hold up play and passing could be sublime at times.

This is it. Especially when he took on the number 9 number, replaced Deano and announced himself in the premier league and said he was going to get 25 in his first season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 21, 2022, 07:09:52 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.

Agreed, I also seem to recall the Sunday Mirror running a "Missalotevic" headline on the morning of the league Cup Final '96. >:(

Think the problem with Savo was that we were all expecting him to be a prolific goalscorer, which he never was (at least not for us). His control, hold up play and passing could be sublime at times.

This is it. Especially when he took on the number 9 number, replaced Deano and announced himself in the premier league and said he was going to get 25 in his first season.

In that great team though, he was the player I looked forward to seeing most every week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 21, 2022, 07:40:16 PM
My grandad thought the world of Savo - he'd wax lyrical about him to all and everyone who'd listen, and a fair few who were trying not to hear.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 21, 2022, 08:01:43 PM
I think that he was always going to be an overall disappointment when we were told all summer that he'd be playing in a claret and blue bandana and he never did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 08:03:37 PM
I'm still angry about that. To make up for it, Lucas Digne should be made to play wearing a beret.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 21, 2022, 08:11:08 PM
A few rumours linking us to this fella..Ibrahim Sangaré of PSV. £30m buy out clause. Maybe we could throw in El Ghazi if their coach, Ruddy Horseface wants him.



Is he a Winger? If so, Gerrard doesn't seem to like playing them much.

PSV are on the verge of signing someone from Man Citeh on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 21, 2022, 08:12:31 PM
I think that he was always going to be an overall disappointment when we were told all summer that he'd be playing in a claret and blue bandana and he never did.

From memory didn’t he have one on when he made his VP debut and took it off before KO. Never to be seen again
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 08:21:20 PM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 21, 2022, 08:36:03 PM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 21, 2022, 09:08:34 PM
You'd think they could at least ask their butlers to do it for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 21, 2022, 09:13:18 PM
Savo got an unfair reputation. I think it’s also forgotten he was young guy away from home, where home was somewhat geopolitically unstable at the time.

Looking back, singing "BOOM, BOOM, BOOM: let me here you say Savo, Savo!" possibly wasn't the most tactful thing to do given the situation in the Balkans.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 21, 2022, 10:22:24 PM
A few rumours linking us to this fella..Ibrahim Sangaré of PSV. £30m buy out clause. Maybe we could throw in El Ghazi if their coach, Ruddy Horseface wants him.



Same languid style as Traore, just in central midfield.  Looks decent in the highlights but would cause a few heart attacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on June 22, 2022, 12:59:52 AM
Certainly looks like an upgrade on McBigbum
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on June 22, 2022, 09:15:49 AM
Could a central midfield 3 of Ramsey, him and camara work? If Ramsey can track back more it looks fairly solid on paper.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 22, 2022, 09:38:50 AM
When did we sign camara and what’s his position?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2022, 09:46:10 AM
When did we sign camara and what’s his position?

Good at getting shots off, but don't want to expose him to too much football too soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 22, 2022, 09:53:55 AM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.
You've got to be fast, but click the link and then click the cross at the top of your browser (to the left of the addres window)  This stops the page loading and that alone works with some paywall sites.  Telegraph are a but more cunning and the paywall still comes up, but you have a couple of seconds to highlight the article and click 'ctrl c' to copy.  And voila...


Savo Milosevic interview on Gareth Southgate's japes, spitting at Aston Villa fans and his grandfather shooting his father dead
By
Matt Law,
 FOOTBALL NEWS CORRESPONDENT
23 March 2019 • 3:26pm
Savo Milosevic
Savo Milosevic spoke no English when he became Aston Villa's record signing in 1995 CREDIT: Getty Images
Gareth Southgate was one of the Aston Villa players roaring with laughter in the canteen at the club’s Bodymoor Heath training ground as Savo Milosevic welcomed a newspaper reporter by telling him: “Your clothes. Go put them in the bin.”

Milosevic had been convinced that it was a traditional English greeting by his close group of Villa friends comprising Mark Bosnich, the late Ugo Ehiogu, Ian Taylor and Southgate.

Southgate held the distinction of being Villa’s record signing for just five days in the summer of 1995 before Milosevic, who spoke no English, joined for £3.5 million from Partizan Belgrade.

He scored 33 goals in 117 games at Villa Park before a successful career in Spain and Italy, and retirement in 2008. Milosevic made headlines in England again in 2011, when his father was shot and killed by his grandfather, also named Savo, after a family row.

“I cannot explain what happened,” says Milosevic. “But I believe in God and I believe things happen for a reason. It was a very difficult time for me and my family, but I have to trust in God and keep my faith. Fortunately, I have three wonderful children of my own and that helped me to get through it, but it was a big shock and a tough period of my life.”

Savo Milosevic, Mark Draper and Gareth Southgate
Milosevic (top) learnt all about English culture from his Aston Villa team-mates, including Mark Draper (centre) and Gareth Southgate (bottom) CREDIT: ASTON VILLA
Speaking from Belgrade, Milosevic is hoping to be in Podgorica on Monday night, when Southgate takes his England team to face Montenegro in Euro 2020 qualifying.

The first time the Three Lions visited Podgorica, in 2011, Milosevic was assistant to manager Branko Brnovic as Montenegro held Fabio Capello’s team 2-2, and Wayne Rooney was sent off. He also has close links to the current manager Ljubisa Tumbakovic, who gave him his big break at Partizan.

Teams from Serbia and Montenegro were banned from Uefa competition because of the civil war over the break-up of Yugoslavia when Milosevic was put in a house in Sutton Coldfield by Villa and left to get on with it.

“The war was going on at home when I first came to England and that was difficult for me,” says Milosevic. “My father, brother and lots of my friends fought for Serbia and I was calling home every day to check everyone was OK and to see what was happening.

“I always tried to stay positive, but my focus should have just been on football and it couldn’t be. It was hard to explain to people in England what was happening at home, so I didn’t really talk about it.”

Milosevic and Southgate quickly became close at Villa. They made their debut together in a 3-1 victory over Manchester United, after which Alan Hansen famously declared “You can’t win anything with kids”, and later that season both played in the League Cup final victory over Leeds United in which the striker scored a spectacular long-range goal.

Former player and Serbian FA vice president Savo Milosevic looks on during the 2018 FIFA World Cup
Milosevic is one of the Serbian FA's vice-presidents CREDIT: Getty Images
The pair last caught up on old times at the 2016 European Championship, during which they worked as technical observers for Uefa, and Milosevic is aiming to follow Southgate into full-time management.

“Gareth is a great guy, he was immediately very good to me and helped me a lot, on and off the pitch,” says Milosevic. “I was 21, I didn’t speak English and it was difficult to understand anyone. There was a little group of us, me, Gareth, Ugo Ehiogu, Ian Taylor and Bosnich. We spent a lot of time together.

“Gareth would give me advice about the English game and what I needed to do, and he would also help me with life off the pitch. We all ate together a lot and he would talk to me about English culture and also the English press. I will always be grateful.”

The moment at Villa that will always stand out for Milosevic is his 25-yard Wembley goal against Leeds that briefly silenced the critics who dubbed him “Miss-a-lot-evic” before his career in England was effectively ended when he spat at a section of travelling fans during a 5-0 defeat at Blackburn Rovers in January 1998.

“The League Cup final was amazing,” says Milosevic, 45. “I had spoken to a few friends back at home and joked that we would win 3-0 and that I would score, and that’s what happened. I scored nearly 300 goals in my career, but that is in my top three. I still have pictures of all the celebrations afterwards.


“I knew about my nickname and it did upset me. I can laugh about it now because I’ve coped with much more difficult things. Maybe I didn’t score as many goals as everyone would have liked, but the team did well when I was at Villa and I scored some important goals and also made a lot of goals.

“The Blackburn game is still the most stupid thing I have done in my life. It was so stupid, I don’t know why I did it. It’s one of those things that happens and you can’t explain it. I still wish I didn’t do it. I was young and I learned from that, but it was a sad way for things to end for me at Villa because I love the club and the fans.”

It was not just the English greetings that got lost in translation during Milosevic’s early days at Villa. His arrival sparked a Brummie bandana craze after pictures emerged of him playing in the unusual headgear.

“There was a misunderstanding when I arrived because I had played with a bandana for a few games with Partizan,” explains Milosevic.

“That was because I had 12 stitches in my head and it was only temporary. By the time I joined Villa, they had made all these club bandanas and started to sell them, so I had to go along with it.


“I wore the bandana for a while, but it wasn’t ideal for heading the ball and eventually I stopped. I should have just told the club straight away that I don’t usually wear a bandana, but I didn’t feel like I could after they had all been made.”

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 22, 2022, 09:58:15 AM
When did we sign camara and what’s his position?

Good at getting shots off, but don't want to expose him to too much football too soon.
I've heard he still needs to be developed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2022, 10:02:41 AM
Savo mate, you could have shouted it till you were blue in the face but if Doug thought there was a penny to be made, he'd take it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 22, 2022, 10:19:35 AM
Thanks Chrisw. I couldn't get your trick to work, but I enjoyed that article. Nice to know he has affection for Villa still. Or did, when that article was written.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2022, 10:26:20 AM
When did we sign camara and what’s his position?

Good at getting shots off, but don't want to expose him to too much football too soon.
I've heard he still needs to be developed.

Yes, he tries to be too flash
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 22, 2022, 10:57:09 AM
The war was going on at home when I first came to England and that was difficult for me,” says Milosevic. “My father, brother and lots of my friends fought for Serbia and I was calling home every day to check everyone was OK and to see what was happening.


Southgate must have never explained to him that Serbia were the baddies
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 22, 2022, 11:24:56 AM
The war was going on at home when I first came to England and that was difficult for me,” says Milosevic. “My father, brother and lots of my friends fought for Serbia and I was calling home every day to check everyone was OK and to see what was happening.


Southgate must have never explained to him that Serbia were the baddies

I'm more surprised Bozzie didn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on June 22, 2022, 12:38:13 PM
A couple of 'no-one saw that coming' type signings in the next few weeks please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 22, 2022, 12:53:47 PM
A couple of 'no-one saw that coming' type signings in the next few weeks please.

To be fair, signing Troy Deeney from Blues and re-signing Glenn Whelen from Bristol Rovers would be a couple of 'no-one saw that coming' type arrivals but i think i know what you mean.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 22, 2022, 01:23:19 PM
When did we sign camara and what’s his position?

Good at getting shots off, but don't want to expose him to too much football too soon.
I've heard he still needs to be developed.

Yes, he tries to be too flash
We need to bring down the shutter on this punathon - my eyes are getting blurry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2022, 01:37:36 PM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.

Just click the 'esc' button as it loads and hey presto you can see it all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 22, 2022, 01:39:55 PM
It’s quiet on the rumours and transfer news isn’t it.

Perhaps we have someone really good lined up and are just waiting for the big boys to do all their buying.

I see Phillips is holding out for Man city (apparently). I can’t see them being interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2022, 01:42:56 PM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.

Just click the 'esc' button as it loads and hey presto you can see it all.

It
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.

Just click the 'esc' button as it loads and hey presto you can see it all.

That's fine when I'm at my laptop, not so good with a tablet, and hitting 'x' wasn't working.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 22, 2022, 01:44:44 PM
I suspect we are waiting to see who we sell at the moment too. Plus, everyone has been on holiday so that slows things down.

You’ve got to imagine that if we really are after a very good striker then such discussions would take a lot of work to convince people.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 22, 2022, 02:08:48 PM
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.

Just click the 'esc' button as it loads and hey presto you can see it all.

It
Just Googled the bandana, can see him wearing it on the pitch but I seem to remember he just wore it pre-game then threw it into the crowd before kick off. May be wrong, though.

Not sure if the article below sheds any light on it? (It's behind a paywall).

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2019/03/23/savomilosevic-interview-gareth-southgates-japes-spitting-aston/

Could Risso or Ads kindly copy and paste this for us lefties? Ta.

Just click the 'esc' button as it loads and hey presto you can see it all.

That's fine when I'm at my laptop, not so good with a tablet, and hitting 'x' wasn't working.

Oh, sorry sir.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 22, 2022, 06:33:27 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 22, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holte L2 on June 22, 2022, 07:18:21 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.
He can Go
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.

I don't want to know
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 22, 2022, 07:20:16 PM
A couple of 'no-one saw that coming' type signings in the next few weeks please.
like Danny Ings
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 22, 2022, 08:11:28 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.

I dunno, these rumors seem to be everywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2022, 08:18:35 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.

I dunno, these rumors seem to be everywhere.

Oh well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 22, 2022, 08:27:06 PM
I dont have a big issue with his drunkeness

Think the whole thing just seems like a tale as old of time

Shame he sold out - cos he could have still done all this but at least have some intergity in his career choices
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 22, 2022, 08:28:48 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

Not convinced he’d be much of an upgrade, hopefully its little lies.

I dunno, these rumors seem to be everywhere.

Oh well.

They won't be happy at Ibrox if Stevie nicks him from them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on June 22, 2022, 10:28:23 PM
The Mirror has us linked to Alfredo Morelos.  I don't think we need worry about a lack of Rumours, Fleetwood Mac were sh**

I'd rather jack, than Fleetwood Mac
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 22, 2022, 10:47:50 PM
Mane's move accompanied on Sky Sports by footage of him scoring a hat trick against us in 2 mins 56 seconds for Southampton.

Honestly, other than, say, Newcastle, is there another top flight side you could imagine letting that happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 22, 2022, 10:50:10 PM
Talk that we have submitted an official bid with Leeds for Phillips as we are prepared to listen to offers for McGinn
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2022, 11:00:44 PM
Just stopping by as it's close season but as I heard it from those on holidays that Phillips well  he's a done deal to Man City.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 22, 2022, 11:02:41 PM
Talk that we have submitted an official bid with Leeds for Phillips as we are prepared to listen to offers for McGinn

If true all feels a bit James Ward Prowse, Phillips is clearly not going to come. In any case id rather have McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 23, 2022, 07:04:57 AM
Talk that we have submitted an official bid with Leeds for Phillips as we are prepared to listen to offers for McGinn

If true all feels a bit James Ward Prowse, Phillips is clearly not going to come. In any case id rather have McGinn.
I'd welcome JWP at VP ...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on June 23, 2022, 07:46:46 AM
Mane's move accompanied on Sky Sports by footage of him scoring a hat trick against us in 2 mins 56 seconds for Southampton.

Honestly, other than, say, Newcastle, is there another top flight side you could imagine letting that happen?

I’m surprised that Villa team kept him out for as long as they did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 23, 2022, 07:58:49 AM
Talk that we have submitted an official bid with Leeds for Phillips as we are prepared to listen to offers for McGinn

If true all feels a bit James Ward Prowse, Phillips is clearly not going to come. In any case id rather have McGinn.
I'd welcome JWP at VP ...

Wouldnt say no either, but i mean the Phillips bid if true, feels a bit like us bidding for JWP last summer, not going to happen, probably for differing reasons (didnt bid enough for JWP last year, Phillips might already be off to Man City this year), so all feels like a waste of time…..if true
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2022, 08:05:09 AM
Phillips will be expecting and getting European football next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 23, 2022, 08:11:41 AM
Phillips will be expecting and getting European football next season.

If he goes to Man City I think he’ll be a squad player like Grealish, mostly used to give the Guardiola’s favoured players a rest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2022, 08:51:58 AM
Phillips will be expecting and getting European football next season.

If he goes to Man City I think he’ll be a squad player like Grealish, mostly used to give the Guardiola’s favoured players a rest.

Him dressing like he's in the Tweenies and Jack doing his best impression of Johnny Depp playing Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing" would make quite the pair.

Of twats.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 23, 2022, 08:58:44 AM
Phillips will be expecting and getting European football next season.

If he goes to Man City I think he’ll be a squad player like Grealish, mostly used to give the Guardiola’s favoured players a rest.

Him dressing like he's in the Tweenies and Jack doing his best impression of Johnny Depp playing Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing" would make quite the pair.

Of twats.

I’m now imagining him with a big, bald, shiny scalp.  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 23, 2022, 09:23:53 AM
Phillips will be expecting and getting European football next season.

If he goes to Man City I think he’ll be a squad player like Grealish, mostly used to give the Guardiola’s favoured players a rest.

Him dressing like he's in the Tweenies and Jack doing his best impression of Johnny Depp playing Hunter S. Thompson in "Fear and Loathing" would make quite the pair.

Of twats.
Thanks a bundle, now I've got tea splattered all over my screen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 23, 2022, 10:52:56 AM
Evening mail linking us with a bid for Otavio, a right sided midfielder from Porto (no idea if he is any good).

Also seen a tenuous link to Gabriel Barbosa, at a Brazillian club and scoring silly amounts of goals.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 11:11:22 AM
Evening mail linking us with a bid for Otavio, a right sided midfielder from Porto (no idea if he is any good).

He's good but not for sale. Reports that we made a €30m bid for him but it was rejected. There are also claims that Leeds made the same bid with the same outcome. Possibly we're being used to push up the price. Not sure why we'd be after a winger. Porto have already sold Fábio Vieira to Arsenal and Vitinha looks likely to move to Paris Saint Germain so they won't want to lose their complete midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 23, 2022, 11:16:33 AM
Evening mail linking us with a bid for Otavio, a right sided midfielder from Porto (no idea if he is any good).

He's good but not for sale. Reports that we made a €30m bid for him but it was rejected. There are also claims that Leeds made the same bid with the same outcome. Possibly we're being used to push up the price. Not sure why we'd be after a winger. Porto have already sold Fábio Vieira to Arsenal and Vitinha looks likely to move to Paris Saint Germain so they won't want to lose their complete midfield.

Talk is that Otavio has a 40m Euro's release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 11:21:06 AM
Evening mail linking us with a bid for Otavio, a right sided midfielder from Porto (no idea if he is any good).

He's good but not for sale. Reports that we made a €30m bid for him but it was rejected. There are also claims that Leeds made the same bid with the same outcome. Possibly we're being used to push up the price. Not sure why we'd be after a winger. Porto have already sold Fábio Vieira to Arsenal and Vitinha looks likely to move to Paris Saint Germain so they won't want to lose their complete midfield.

Talk is that Otavio has a 40m Euro's release clause.

€60m release clause but were rumoured to be willing to accept €40m up to the 15th of June, if memory serves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 23, 2022, 11:23:31 AM
What I read said that the release clause is 40m Euro's until 15th July and then 60m after that. No idea whether it's true or not, or whether he's even one we would be considering.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 11:32:44 AM
I'll check again but the release clause is 60m but there may be a discount if purchased before the 15th.
O Jogo, the Porto based sports daily, that usually has the best inside info on all things Porto are reporting the rejected €30m bid was from Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2022, 11:38:13 AM
I signed him on a free on Championship Manager and he was shite
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on June 23, 2022, 11:43:54 AM
I signed him on a free on Championship Manager and he was shite

Best not bother then. If no-one wanted to pay 40M Euros why would the price go up after 15th. Doesn't make any sense. Anyway as Lee says, he's shite (unless we sign him of course).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 23, 2022, 11:49:50 AM
Evening mail linking us with a bid for Otavio, a right sided midfielder from Porto (no idea if he is any good).

He's good but not for sale. Reports that we made a €30m bid for him but it was rejected. There are also claims that Leeds made the same bid with the same outcome. Possibly we're being used to push up the price. Not sure why we'd be after a winger. Porto have already sold Fábio Vieira to Arsenal and Vitinha looks likely to move to Paris Saint Germain so they won't want to lose their complete midfield.

Talk is that Otavio has a 40m Euro's release clause.

€60m release clause but were rumoured to be willing to accept €40m up to the 15th of June, if memory serves.

I hope he assists like a bastard because his goal scoring record is dire. How is he worth that much?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 12:02:45 PM
You can put in a clause for any value and Porto are no fools, quite the opposite. They're brilliant at buying cheap and selling for a fortune, often taking the piss. At 27 I don't think it would be the best investment. The man works hard and doesn't go missing, he's more industrious than silky skills. What was it last season, 5 goals and 8 assists? In a Porto side I'd probably be close to reaching those figures. Let Leeds have him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 23, 2022, 12:04:25 PM
You can put in a clause for any value and Porto are no fools, quite the opposite. They're brilliant at buying cheap and selling for a fortune, often taking the piss. At 27 I don't think it would be the best investment. The man works hard and doesn't go missing, he's more industrious than silky skills. What was it last season, 5 goals and 8 assists? In a Porto side I'd probably be close to reaching those figures. Let Leeds have him.

3 in the league, which is the most he's ever scored since 2016. No ta.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 12:04:41 PM
I signed him on a free on Championship Manager and he was shite

Yeah but you're the Paul Lambert of Championship Manager. #pearlstopigs
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 23, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
Brandon Williams of Man U is available for around £10m according to BBC. Decent cover at left back who, imo, wouldn’t demand tons of first team football but has potential to improve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2022, 12:34:38 PM
I signed him on a free on Championship Manager and he was shite

Yeah but you're the Paul Lambert of Championship Manager. #pearlstopigs

The only similarity is we both spend most of the working day looking like hobos, but I have the excuse of being at home
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 12:35:24 PM
A right footed left back on reported £60k a week? Norwich fans are in no rush to see him back. Don't we have anybody from our own youngsters that could step up?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 23, 2022, 12:57:00 PM
 After a very excitable splurge early on with 2 great signings out of almost no where, it has gone a little flat.

I would imagine most will be back early July from holidays so maybe it will start up again
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 23, 2022, 01:04:07 PM
A right footed left back on reported £60k a week? Norwich fans are in no rush to see him back. Don't we have anybody from our own youngsters that could step up?

I’m not aware of his current wages, if there’s any truth in that figure, well fair play to him but nowhere near worth it.
I’d give him a pass on being part of the Norwich defence as I thought he looked quite good in his breakthrough season with Man U. As you suggest I’d prefer to give our own a go but don’t think we have any close to being ready for the first team in the left back slot, do we?
Williams has got a bit of experience in domestic and European games and wouldn’t break the bank for a position that we need cover in, I don’t fancy Young there for any length of time should he sign a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 01:09:21 PM
All valid points, BNS. The £10m asking price is probably wishful thinking from the skint Plastics. Apparently they've already told him he needs to find a new club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2022, 01:12:01 PM
A right footed left back on reported £60k a week? Norwich fans are in no rush to see him back. Don't we have anybody from our own youngsters that could step up?

I’m not aware of his current wages, if there’s any truth in that figure, well fair play to him but nowhere near worth it.
I’d give him a pass on being part of the Norwich defence as I thought he looked quite good in his breakthrough season with Man U. As you suggest I’d prefer to give our own a go but don’t think we have any close to being ready for the first team in the left back slot, do we?
Williams has got a bit of experience in domestic and European games and wouldn’t break the bank for a position that we need cover in, I don’t fancy Young there for any length of time should he sign a new contract.

Ben Chrisine is very highly thought of, I'd rather give him time than some Man Utd misfit
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 01:29:27 PM
Chrisine will travel with the squad to Australia. No doubt SG wants a closer look but with a recent contract signed it wouldn't surprise me if we send him out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 23, 2022, 01:51:52 PM
Is it just me or anyone else, that now, when I see a story that “Villa have made an offer for x player” it absolutely means we have not made a bid for x player?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 23, 2022, 02:25:15 PM
Is it just me or anyone else, that now, when I see a story that “Villa have made an offer for x player” it absolutely means we have not made a bid for x player?

It rather depends who is writing and publishing the story.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2022, 02:28:55 PM
If the player is someone I don't want, I believe the story. If it's someone amazing and fancy, I assume the story is bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2022, 02:35:53 PM
If it's someone amazing and fancy, I assume the story is bollocks.

I didn't believe the "Maya Jama to Villa" story either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2022, 02:39:05 PM
You missed her.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2022, 02:44:54 PM
You missed her.

No worries, she's a bit chunky for my tastes but I know you're a fan.

How is she in person? ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 23, 2022, 02:46:15 PM
Very quick to call security. ☹️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
Very quick to call security. ☹️

Haha.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 23, 2022, 03:27:03 PM
You missed her.



I know that bloke, well I did. Not seen him for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2022, 04:23:09 PM
Very quick to call security. ☹️

Ha, you'll have to play hard to get next time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 23, 2022, 06:41:43 PM
Brandon Williams of Man U is available for around £10m according to BBC. Decent cover at left back who, imo, wouldn’t demand tons of first team football but has potential to improve.
I don't like his hair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2022, 06:42:28 PM
Brandon Williams of Man U is available for around £10m according to BBC. Decent cover at left back who, imo, wouldn’t demand tons of first team football but has potential to improve.
I don't like his hair.

I don't like his accent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on June 23, 2022, 06:42:40 PM
You can put in a clause for any value and Porto are no fools, quite the opposite. They're brilliant at buying cheap and selling for a fortune, often taking the piss. At 27 I don't think it would be the best investment. The man works hard and doesn't go missing, he's more industrious than silky skills. What was it last season, 5 goals and 8 assists? In a Porto side I'd probably be close to reaching those figures. Let Leeds have him.
Sounds like Trezeguet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on June 23, 2022, 07:07:19 PM
Brandon Williams of Man U is available for around £10m according to BBC. Decent cover at left back who, imo, wouldn’t demand tons of first team football but has potential to improve.
I don't like his hair.

Agreed, it’s very silly hair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2022, 07:12:46 PM
Brandon Williams of Man U is available for around £10m according to BBC. Decent cover at left back who, imo, wouldn’t demand tons of first team football but has potential to improve.
I don't like his hair.

Agreed, it’s very silly hair.

Ready-made chant though, "Let's Go Brandon".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 23, 2022, 09:33:34 PM
Rumours about Luiz to AC Milan. Im selective in what bullshit I decide to believe, I’m leaning towards believing this bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 23, 2022, 09:44:25 PM
Rumours about Luiz to AC Milan. Im selective in what bullshit I decide to believe, I’m leaning towards believing this bullshit.

Top notch designer shopping and closer to home for Alisha. Could be a goer (the move, that is).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 23, 2022, 10:24:25 PM
Rumours about Luiz to AC Milan. Im selective in what bullshit I decide to believe, I’m leaning towards believing this bullshit.

For 30m. Jesus, take it. Then tell Chuck he’s got his place in our plans if he signs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 23, 2022, 10:37:31 PM
Rumours about Luiz to AC Milan. Im selective in what bullshit I decide to believe, I’m leaning towards believing this bullshit.

For 30m. Jesus, take it. Then tell Chuck he’s got his place in our plans if he signs.
Oddly I was thinking earlier that Dougie out, Chuky in might be a thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 23, 2022, 10:44:21 PM
Luis Suarez to River Plate apparently, one to strike off the list.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: exigo on June 23, 2022, 11:17:42 PM
Good
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2022, 11:47:54 PM
Luis Suarez to River Plate apparently, one to strike off the list.

Makes sense. He's not going to take the risk of not being good enough here. And there it's a huge club where he can do well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2022, 11:49:39 PM
Rumours about Luiz to AC Milan. Im selective in what bullshit I decide to believe, I’m leaning towards believing this bullshit.

For 30m. Jesus, take it. Then tell Chuck he’s got his place in our plans if he signs.

I think he has a lot about him and will get better, but I'd take it too. Ramsey, McGinn, Sanson, Chukwuemeka, Buendia are all as good (or potentially are).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 24, 2022, 06:53:00 AM
How long as Luiz got left on his contract, if it is only 1 year, he may as well wait and go on a free transfer next summer.

 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2022, 08:20:04 AM
It is 1 year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2022, 08:38:27 AM
If he doesn't sign a contract then I wouldn't be picking him. He will get his move at the end of the season but will be waving goodbye to his World Cup prospects.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 24, 2022, 09:21:32 AM
Potentially two stroppy (midfield) mares, Doug and Chuck hanging around for another year. There'll be hormones flying around everywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 24, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
I don't think Luiz has ever done anything to suggest he's not an excellent professional.  He's played in what most of us assume is not his favourd role and seemingly got on with it as best he can.  I still thnk there's a really good player in there, but I suspect he won't get the gametime for us to to show it.  If we do get £30m then fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking on in a few years time thinking look at what we let go.

Alternatively if he choses to run down his contract, then fair enough.  We've just secured Kamara that way after all, so we can hardly question his character if he does the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2022, 10:22:53 AM
I don't think Luiz has ever done anything to suggest he's not an excellent professional.  He's played in what most of us assume is not his favourd role and seemingly got on with it as best he can.  I still thnk there's a really good player in there, but I suspect he won't get the gametime for us to to show it.  If we do get £30m then fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking on in a few years time thinking look at what we let go.

Alternatively if he choses to run down his contract, then fair enough.  We've just secured Kamara that way after all, so we can hardly question his character if he does the same.

It's a fair point, he's a young kid and given the covid situation it can't have been easy for him, but he's kept his head down and got on with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2022, 10:50:17 AM
I don't think Luiz has ever done anything to suggest he's not an excellent professional.  He's played in what most of us assume is not his favourd role and seemingly got on with it as best he can.  I still thnk there's a really good player in there, but I suspect he won't get the gametime for us to to show it.  If we do get £30m then fine, but I wouldn't be surprised if we're looking on in a few years time thinking look at what we let go.

Alternatively if he choses to run down his contract, then fair enough.  We've just secured Kamara that way after all, so we can hardly question his character if he does the same.

Largely agree but he has had pretty much 3 seasons of game time already. OK he's been a young inexperienced player for, say, half of that but he hasn't really come on much as a player and for me the issue has always been that he lacks the physicality for the PL and hasn't got that bit of pace either to make up for it. He gets caught out a fair bit and opposition players by pass him. He'd probably be at his best a bit further forward in midfield and playing in a less physical and fast paced league like Spain or maybe even Italy.

If he stays though fine with me, or if he goes for a decent fee likewise.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 24, 2022, 11:03:01 AM
If you look at our central core - Mings, Konsa, Luis, and McGinn - all four have pretty much been our week-in/week-out starters for three Premier League seasons where we haven’t really done as well as we aimed for, and two of those were playing for us in the second tier.

For me, all of those players are ‘upgradeable’ as Gerrard calls it. If someone comes in for one with the right offer, and we have identified a better and attainable replacement, then I think we will see them move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 24, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
If you look at our central core - Mings, Konsa, Luis, and McGinn - all four have pretty much been our week-in/week-out starters for three Premier League seasons where we haven’t really done as well as we aimed for, and two of those were playing for us in the second tier.

For me, all of those players are ‘upgradeable’ as Gerrard calls it. If someone comes in for one with the right offer, and we have identified a better and attainable replacement, then I think we will see them move on.

Luis is different but I’d rather us keep the others as we try to upgrade and have them provide competition and depth to the squad. Obviously that depends on them being willing to stick around and fight for their place but if want to improve we need a squad not a first team plus some others.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on June 24, 2022, 11:28:45 AM
If you look at our central core - Mings, Konsa, Luis, and McGinn - all four have pretty much been our week-in/week-out starters for three Premier League seasons where we haven’t really done as well as we aimed for, and two of those were playing for us in the second tier.

For me, all of those players are ‘upgradeable’ as Gerrard calls it. If someone comes in for one with the right offer, and we have identified a better and attainable replacement, then I think we will see them move on.

Luis is different but I’d rather us keep the others as we try to upgrade and have them provide competition and depth to the squad. Obviously that depends on them being willing to stick around and fight for their place but if want to improve we need a squad not a first team plus some others.

That's my preferred approach too.  Turn those players who have had 'guaranteed starter' status into squad players and options from the bench.  Getting rid of them, and bringing someone in, feels very risky.  The question is will they be willing to hang around to compete for a place, or will they do a Targett and jump ship the moment someone comes along that looks like taking their place?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2022, 11:28:45 AM
Milan only see him as an alternate in case their move for Renato Sanchez doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 24, 2022, 11:34:23 AM
If you look at our central core - Mings, Konsa, Luis, and McGinn - all four have pretty much been our week-in/week-out starters for three Premier League seasons where we haven’t really done as well as we aimed for, and two of those were playing for us in the second tier.

For me, all of those players are ‘upgradeable’ as Gerrard calls it. If someone comes in for one with the right offer, and we have identified a better and attainable replacement, then I think we will see them move on.

Luis is different but I’d rather us keep the others as we try to upgrade and have them provide competition and depth to the squad. Obviously that depends on them being willing to stick around and fight for their place but if want to improve we need a squad not a first team plus some others.

Unfortunately, keeping players and still spending is hard to do within the FFP shackles.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2022, 11:35:34 AM
So the question is, would you be happy to let Luiz go if it meant having 2 of McGinn, Ramsey and Carney in front of Kamara and guaranteed Carney more game time (if that's the clincher for him signing the contract) even if some results take a hit in the short-term as he develops.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 24, 2022, 11:37:49 AM
If you look at our central core - Mings, Konsa, Luis, and McGinn - all four have pretty much been our week-in/week-out starters for three Premier League seasons where we haven’t really done as well as we aimed for, and two of those were playing for us in the second tier.

For me, all of those players are ‘upgradeable’ as Gerrard calls it. If someone comes in for one with the right offer, and we have identified a better and attainable replacement, then I think we will see them move on.

Luis is different but I’d rather us keep the others as we try to upgrade and have them provide competition and depth to the squad. Obviously that depends on them being willing to stick around and fight for their place but if want to improve we need a squad not a first team plus some others.

Unfortunately, keeping players and still spending is hard to do within the FFP shackles.

Hard but the evidence from other clubs suggests not impossible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 24, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
I think we are still in the market for another solid midfielder. If selling Luiz gives us £20-30m towards that, then I wouldn’t mind at all.

If the right offer doesn’t come and he stays the season and competes with Ramsey and McGinn for a more forward role then I don’t mind that either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2022, 12:14:38 PM
I think my ideal 6 for next season would be Nakamba, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Chuk and another solid defensive mid so if we need to shift on Luiz and Sanson to do so that would be fine.

Can't see us going for this guy from Porto though, i'd have thought we were well stocked with creative players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2022, 12:16:33 PM
So the question is, would you be happy to let Luiz go if it meant having 2 of McGinn, Ramsey and Carney in front of Kamara and guaranteed Carney more game time (if that's the clincher for him signing the contract) even if some results take a hit in the short-term as he develops.

No, because if we're in that position we're absolutely fucked if we get injuries. If we're 1 injury away from having no first team midfield cover on the bench then we've fucked up this window. We have 9 subs and 5 can come on, people like Carney and Tim can be on the bench without us needing to leave oureselves so short in the registered squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2022, 12:20:15 PM
If selling Luiz gives us £20-30m towards that, then I wouldn’t mind at all.

£18m is the value I've seen mentioned which is a bloody bargain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2022, 12:29:27 PM
If selling Luiz gives us £20-30m towards that, then I wouldn’t mind at all.

£18m is the value I've seen mentioned which is a bloody bargain.

That does seem overly cheap. We've got to grips with the 'buying low' bit, just need to work on the 'selling high' part now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 24, 2022, 12:31:45 PM
If selling Luiz gives us £20-30m towards that, then I wouldn’t mind at all.

£18m is the value I've seen mentioned which is a bloody bargain.

That does seem overly cheap. We've got to grips with the 'buying low' bit, just need to work on the 'selling high' part now.

I think we did alright getting £100m for a Man City benchwarmer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2022, 12:52:53 PM
I think my ideal 6 for next season would be Nakamba, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Chuk and another solid defensive mid so if we need to shift on Luiz and Sanson to do so that would be fine.

Can't see us going for this guy from Porto though, i'd have thought we were well stocked with creative players.

If you're up for keeping Nakamba then we don't need another DM, that's not where we'd be short with the 5 players you've named. What we could really do with is a player to pivot around who gets the most touches and plays loads of short passes to set the tempo, the sort of job Petrov did for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2022, 01:14:14 PM
I think my ideal 6 for next season would be Nakamba, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Chuk and another solid defensive mid so if we need to shift on Luiz and Sanson to do so that would be fine.

Can't see us going for this guy from Porto though, i'd have thought we were well stocked with creative players.

If you're up for keeping Nakamba then we don't need another DM, that's not where we'd be short with the 5 players you've named. What we could really do with is a player to pivot around who gets the most touches and plays loads of short passes to set the tempo, the sort of job Petrov did for us.

If i saw Kamara as the mythical super defensive mid we've been crying out for i'd agree with you but i'm tempted to think he'll end up being a replacement for Sanson/Luiz and competition for McGinn. Or maybe they can play together depending on the circumstances but i'm thinking of a new player and Nakamba as the ones to sit in front of the defence. Just a hunch, could be wrong and we won't really know till we see him playing but i'd sooner get another one of that defensive type anyway. McGinn, if used properly would be doing the Petrov type role.

I want us to be proper solid in there next season first and foremost and just keep the ball so that we can give it the creative players and keep them in the game, Coutinho, Buendia, maybe Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
Linked with Romagnoli. 27-year old left centre back who was Milan's captain until his contract ran up. Supposedly us and Newcastle in for him on a free. Apparently very good at playing the ball out from the back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2022, 01:46:21 PM
We can expect some strong business in the next 7-10 days and maybe some excitement on for next weekend round about.
Let the good times and optimism not be dampened with a couple of outgoings for there are some good moves to be coming in from intended and purposes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 24, 2022, 01:59:48 PM
Linked with Romagnoli. 27-year old left centre back who was Milan's captain until his contract ran up. Supposedly us and Newcastle in for him on a free. Apparently very good at playing the ball out from the back.

Can't see us bringing in another CB unless we're offloading Hause and Konsa. This guy would no doubt give Mings very serious competition if it did happen though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 24, 2022, 02:13:51 PM
I think my ideal 6 for next season would be Nakamba, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Chuk and another solid defensive mid so if we need to shift on Luiz and Sanson to do so that would be fine.

Can't see us going for this guy from Porto though, i'd have thought we were well stocked with creative players.

If you're up for keeping Nakamba then we don't need another DM, that's not where we'd be short with the 5 players you've named. What we could really do with is a player to pivot around who gets the most touches and plays loads of short passes to set the tempo, the sort of job Petrov did for us.

Someone like Neves
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 24, 2022, 03:32:49 PM
£18m is the value I've seen mentioned which is a bloody bargain.

I agree, if can get that much for him it is a great bargain for us! Most overrated midfielder on our books. Sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 24, 2022, 04:08:51 PM
He's worth at least £30 million. We won't get that with the contact situation, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2022, 04:19:33 PM
£18m is the value I've seen mentioned which is a bloody bargain.

I agree, if can get that much for him it is a great bargain for us! Most overrated midfielder on our books. Sell.

Agreed, I wouldn't want to be paying any more than that for somebody who has performed as averagely as he mostly has for us for three years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 24, 2022, 04:38:58 PM
Luiz would prosper with a DM there. I'm happy regardless though.

We have Kamara, Nakamba, and Iroegbunam for DM. McGinn, Sanson, Ramsey and Chukwuemeka as 8s. If Luiz is allowed to leave, we'll surely be bringing another in.

We have Coutinho and Buendia as 10s and Bailey, Traore and AEG for width.

Watkins, Ings, Archer and Davis as strikers.

From that lot I can see us adding another 8 to replace Luiz, and another wide player to replace AEG. Potentially another striker but we've seen that the current two don't work together so do we need more if we play with a single striker. Archer and Davis on the bench with Traore and Bailey as iotiins
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Baldy on June 24, 2022, 05:00:02 PM
Perhaps, the only way to strengthen our starting eleven and retain experienced quality on the bench is to sell some of our youngsters!!

I am an old fart and have 'lost count' of how many youngsters we have had with fantastic potential who turned out to be 'duff' and ended up in the lower leagues. I guess 'one in fifty' of those youngsters turn out to be regular first team starters with top six ability.

We have 'potential' in abundance, let's capitalize on it!!

The so called Big 6 turn them out like a production line and make a pretty packet. Archer, Chuck and other young internationals etc would currently get a sizeable fee. Sell, and avoid the almost inevitable disappointment that the vast, vast majority of their careers will bring.

Just a thought. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on June 24, 2022, 05:56:31 PM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 24, 2022, 06:05:58 PM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on June 24, 2022, 06:12:24 PM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.

It's hard not to think that. Yes, Fernandinho has left, but is Phillips the man to replace him? Not so sure. But even if he doesn't play, it stops a rival from having that player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2022, 06:40:30 PM
He's worth at least £30 million. We won't get that with the contact situation, though.

Dougie's going nowhere yet, he's currently in Miami Beach with Alisha.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 24, 2022, 07:19:36 PM
He's worth at least £30 million. We won't get that with the contact situation, though.

Dougie's going nowhere yet, he's currently in Miami Beach with Alisha.

When Eastie grows up he wants to be you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2022, 07:27:16 PM
He's worth at least £30 million. We won't get that with the contact situation, though.

Dougie's going nowhere yet, he's currently in Miami Beach with Alisha.

When Eastie grows up he wants to be you.

Ha, that would imply I've grown up when clearly I haven't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 24, 2022, 09:06:33 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 24, 2022, 09:13:22 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Why?
Serious question.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on June 24, 2022, 09:15:55 PM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.

It's hard not to think that. Yes, Fernandinho has left, but is Phillips the man to replace him? Not so sure. But even if he doesn't play, it stops a rival from having that player.

Phillips has not lived up to the hype. I’d rather have our fat arsed Scot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on June 24, 2022, 09:16:38 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Why?
Serious question.

It’s been on Twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 24, 2022, 09:36:20 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Why?
Serious question.

That Fabrizio guy said it today and he isn’t wrong on it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on June 24, 2022, 10:27:18 PM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.

It's hard not to think that. Yes, Fernandinho has left, but is Phillips the man to replace him? Not so sure. But even if he doesn't play, it stops a rival from having that player.

Phillips has not lived up to the hype. I’d rather have our fat arsed Scot.

That's two good signing's City have made I think Phillips will be a back up player it's all about the money I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 24, 2022, 10:30:12 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Why?
Serious question.

That Fabrizio guy said it today and he isn’t wrong on it

Romagnoli? As mentioned earlier by OCD, an experienced ball playing left sided CB who can also play LB and is out of contract wouldn't be the most surprising signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2022, 10:36:59 PM
Tagliafico.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 24, 2022, 11:13:22 PM
Tagliafico.


Same to you!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 24, 2022, 11:28:30 PM
It's Sergio Gomez (Anderlecht) that's been doing the rounds again today isn't it? Who's the attacking left back who might fit the description.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on June 25, 2022, 09:11:41 AM
Romagnoli seems to have very good timing and the typical Italian CB skill but doubt would be bought unless Mings was to be courted by someone else
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 25, 2022, 10:48:17 AM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.
Paul, we all football, fans should be "fussed" about this as this strategy from mancity is making the league more and more uncompetitive. Despite my own disliking of Yorkshire Whites  I want clubs like them, Everton, us etc etc to be able to keep our best players and compete. We need equal distribution of talent throughout the League not the current fuckaboutry that started with Chelsea and is being exploited royally by the Abu Dhabi ******.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 25, 2022, 11:20:11 AM
Philips to Man City…£45m. Done.
It’s utterly obscene how they can hoover up players just to sit on their bench.
It’s almost like it’s a calculated ploy to keep uppity clubs in their place.

I suspect it’s more preventing rivals pick up players they may potentially want - at least I’m sure that’s part of the motivation. They’re not going to be remotely fussed about Leeds.
Paul, we all football, fans should be "fussed" about this as this strategy from mancity is making the league more and more uncompetitive. Despite my own disliking of Yorkshire Whites  I want clubs like them, Everton, us etc etc to be able to keep our best players and compete. We need equal distribution of talent throughout the League not the current fuckaboutry that started with Chelsea and is being exploited royally by the Abu Dhabi ******.   

I think you might have misunderstood my point Aftab - I think it’s a horrible cynical approach, my point was Man Citeh won’t be remotely fussed about Leeds. Their motivation won’t be keeping Leeds, as an “uppity” club down, it’ll be preventing someone they perceive as an actual rival getting a player that might help them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2022, 12:26:38 PM
He's not such a good player that the team he plays for would finish several places higher by having him or other clubs couldn't find similar players who could perform the same role. They wanted to replace Fernandinho, they decided to buy Phillips and pay the market rate that Leeds were prepared to sell at. In fact, £50m for a player with one year left on his contract is probably over market rate.

They can probably only accommodate 22 or so senior players in their squad and it's not like the pool of talent out there is so limited that they can fill their squad out and there's nobody left to buy.

Football goes through cycles. Currently Liverpool and Man City are the 2 dominant teams. In recent times it's been Chelsea, Man United, Arsenal. Liverpool had been out of the limelight for many years before Klopp took over and they got better at identifying players to sign.

It's not a monopoly, no matter how hard those teams try to make it for others to join them. Well run clubs can close the gap and possibly take their spot as a dominant side when outside events happen, like a manager leaving or the operations of the club breaks down. Man United had both of these things happen. Not just failing to adequately fill the gap when Ferguson left but the nature of the way their run leading to bad decision after bad decision to the point where their fast becoming a mid-table team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 25, 2022, 01:02:15 PM
Linked with Soucek from West Ham for £30m today - would be quite pleased with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2022, 01:08:51 PM
Linked with Soucek from West Ham for £30m today - would be quite pleased with that.

Apparently the reason he wants too leave West Ham is because he wants to play further forward so we might be buying a different player to what we’ve seen to date.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2022, 01:15:56 PM
More that he's been used as an anchor in their midfield this season, which doesn't play to his strengths so he's been a lesser player for them this past season. He's more of a box-to-box type who gets his share of goals and is useful in the box at set pieces at both ends.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 25, 2022, 01:54:56 PM
Left back will be next as been rumoured by a few today
Why?
Serious question.

That Fabrizio guy said it today and he isn’t wrong on it

Romagnoli? As mentioned earlier by OCD, an experienced ball playing left sided CB who can also play LB and is out of contract wouldn't be the most surprising signing.
Don't know that much about him other than what I've read on Wikipedia, but would seem to be a sensible signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2022, 01:59:36 PM
Linked with Soucek from West Ham for £30m today - would be quite pleased with that.

Apparently the reason he wants too leave West Ham is because he wants to play further forward so we might be buying a different player to what we’ve seen to date.

If Kamara was the one who sat back and Soucek was a bit further forward I'd have no qualms with that at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 25, 2022, 02:01:35 PM
Linked with Soucek from West Ham for £30m today - would be quite pleased with that.

Apparently the reason he wants too leave West Ham is because he wants to play further forward so we might be buying a different player to what we’ve seen to date.

If Kamara was the one who sat back and Soucek was a bit further forward I'd have no qualms with that at all.

Yep all day long
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 25, 2022, 02:10:26 PM
Not exactly what I want in the next midfielder we sign but he's so good at what he does that I'd absolutely take him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 25, 2022, 02:11:41 PM
I think my ideal 6 for next season would be Nakamba, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Chuk and another solid defensive mid so if we need to shift on Luiz and Sanson to do so that would be fine.

Can't see us going for this guy from Porto though, i'd have thought we were well stocked with creative players.

If you're up for keeping Nakamba then we don't need another DM, that's not where we'd be short with the 5 players you've named. What we could really do with is a player to pivot around who gets the most touches and plays loads of short passes to set the tempo, the sort of job Petrov did for us.

Someone like Neves

Neves or Tielemans would be ideal and equally unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on June 25, 2022, 02:15:56 PM
Soucek? All day long as said before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 25, 2022, 02:54:31 PM
Soucek’s best form came when he played alongside Declan Rice
Rice would make me look good

Not saying he’s not a good player just not as good as some think
Yeah they doubled up on Grealish and kept him quiet that day, Not even that quiet but they got into his head a bit and won and now everyone thinks he’s a world beater

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 25, 2022, 04:15:15 PM
Rice was CM in 2019/20 and they looked weak enough in that department to be dragged enough into a relegation scrap with worselves.

It was the signing of Soucek to play alongside Rice that eventually hauled them out of trouble that year and has pushed them on since.

Which is why I doubt they'll sell him, FWIW. All part of the game. His agent will be trying to get him a better deal there.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 25, 2022, 04:35:21 PM
They've been trying to get him a better deal for the past year and West Ham have been refusing to give him a pay rise.

There's a general feeling there that he didn't play well last year. I wouldn't be too surprised if they sold him if they're trying to fit a square peg into a round hole and he's down to the last year of his contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2022, 04:39:40 PM
Yes he’s a cracking player. I think the media getting a whiff of him wanting to leave and knowing us, Newcastle and Everton are three teams that will be trying to improve and probably spending plenty is a case of speculation / guesswork though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on June 25, 2022, 04:44:08 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on June 25, 2022, 04:45:58 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Maybe we'll raid them in January
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 25, 2022, 04:53:53 PM
It makes complete sense. He will do well in a league that from a timing standpoint keeps him fit during the summer and into the fall. He then gets time off before the WC as the league ends at a good time. And there are great golf courses on the west coast of the US
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2022, 04:58:02 PM
It makes complete sense. He will do well in a league that from a timing standpoint keeps him fit during the summer and into the autumn . He then gets time off before the WC as the league ends at a good time. And there are great golf courses on the west coast of the US
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on June 25, 2022, 05:08:48 PM
He's been semi-retired for a few years already, so this makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2022, 05:29:36 PM
And there are great golf courses on the west coast of the US

I’m guessing there will be a big increase in the number of reported ‘Sasquash’ sightings on West coast golf courses in the coming months.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2022, 05:35:41 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Any one actually believe that we were in any way interested in him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on June 25, 2022, 05:38:57 PM
If he really wanted to do what’s best for Wales, Bale would have joined Cardiff

I guess that he’s not a fan of Celtic Manor
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 25, 2022, 05:44:41 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Maybe we'll raid them in January
... ram some money on the table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 25, 2022, 05:47:43 PM
Bale off to LA. Good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 25, 2022, 05:48:11 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Maybe we'll raid them in January
... ram some money on the table.

Nah, they’ll probably charge a fortune
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on June 25, 2022, 07:02:32 PM
Bale signs for Los Angeles, a bullet dodged.
Maybe we'll raid them in January
... ram some money on the table.

Nah, they’ll probably charge a fortune

You lot are all punning like Kings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 25, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Colhint on June 25, 2022, 08:01:58 PM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

So what you are saying is we need Gabby back
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 25, 2022, 08:10:57 PM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

So what you are saying is we need Gabby back
Yeah, or maybe boy George
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on June 25, 2022, 08:28:11 PM
Bale off to LA. Good.

Another rumour thankfully wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on June 25, 2022, 10:25:57 PM
Only press rumours I know but Soucek from West Ham would be superb. Recall many posts on this forum last year as to how he and Rice dominating midfield were essentially the difference between the 2 teams last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2022, 11:40:42 PM
Oh yeah, Risso banged on about it a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2022, 12:30:41 AM
Soucek would be a brilliant signing for any club in the mid table region at the numbers being mooted. Moyes got some stick for playing him too deep last season which hurt his game, but in the 3 in our midfield he would add height, a genuine goal threat and a bit of bite. Won't get him, but he would be a good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on June 26, 2022, 07:42:38 AM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play

I’m hoping it’s a bit of both

Our lack of a dcm or ability to play out from the back limited the effectiveness of what he was trying to do - and our signings will help with that

A dcm should also help our midfield - which was too soft and went missing too often

I think he wants the a bit more fight in the team and I think this new CB will bring that

The big unanswered question for me is more about how the forward players will work - as they rarely looked in tune last season - I am not convinced that there is a combination that works with the narrow formations we played last season

Unless we’re going to see a new formation introduced or a new forward
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2022, 09:43:29 AM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play

I don't think we are finished yet in the market and Gerrard has no excuses going into the new season as that 'reset' button will have been well and truly pressed.  Digne, Coutinho, Kamara, Carlos and a couple of others, ready to go straight into the team will mean that he owns this team.  He inherited Cash, Ramsey, Watkins, Buendia, but has to put the stamp on the side and get them to play Gerrard's way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 09:50:55 AM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play

I don't think we are finished yet in the market and Gerrard has no excuses going into the new season as that 'reset' button will have been well and truly pressed.  Digne, Coutinho, Kamara, Carlos and a couple of others, ready to go straight into the team will mean that he owns this team.  He inherited Cash, Ramsey, Watkins, Buendia, but has to put the stamp on the side and get them to play Gerrard's way.
I think this is fair - but as another transition season of sorts - I wonder what the expectations are - I would think top half is the bare minimum that would be considered acceptable but I think that’s a big ask for a relatively rookie manager with a new assistant and a relatively changed squad.  I think the bored will be expecting a European challenge to be honest
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Moonraker on June 26, 2022, 09:55:02 AM
As a member of the bored I cant be bothered to comment...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on June 26, 2022, 10:13:49 AM
I'm not sure anybody will be satisfied with another 'transition' season, if that means maintenance of a mid table position.  We've spent to much money for that already.  We aren't going towing the league, but we should be aiming for Europe and a cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 26, 2022, 10:15:40 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 26, 2022, 10:23:15 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.

Agreed, and I think we'll do better than generally expected. We're currently 50.5-52 points in the 2022/23 points spread betting and that might be worth putting a few quid on for those that like a flutter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2022, 10:33:36 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.

Gerrard talks a lot about the need to go deeper in the cups. If we won one of them, he'd probably survive finishing as low as...12th?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 26, 2022, 10:34:43 AM
I fancy us to beat Man U in the third round this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2022, 10:36:23 AM
The knock-out defeats to them and Chelsea last season were sickeners. More than held our own away to both clubs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on June 26, 2022, 10:44:16 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.

Gerrard talks a lot about the need to go deeper in the cups. If we won one of them, he'd probably survive finishing as low as...12th?

I mean I'd take finishing 17th if he wins us a cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play

I don't think we are finished yet in the market and Gerrard has no excuses going into the new season as that 'reset' button will have been well and truly pressed.  Digne, Coutinho, Kamara, Carlos and a couple of others, ready to go straight into the team will mean that he owns this team.  He inherited Cash, Ramsey, Watkins, Buendia, but has to put the stamp on the side and get them to play Gerrard's way.
I think the bored will be expecting a European challenge to be honest

Well I was pretty bored for most of last season, I nearly went to sleep in the stand against Palace, but  not really expecting a European challenge just yet. This isn’t 91-93 where you can be turned from relegation fodder to league title challengers in 12 months or so. Competition is much stronger these days. I think if we finish above 10th and have a good go at one of the cups it would be acceptable improvement.

If we do sign a world class midfielder and world class centre forward in the next few weeks I might change my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.

Gerrard talks a lot about the need to go deeper in the cups. If we won one of them, he'd probably survive finishing as low as...12th?

I mean I'd take finishing 17th if he wins us a cup.

Me too...as long as our better players stayed and we finished top six the following season. Not asking for much, is it...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 26, 2022, 10:48:18 AM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2022, 10:52:00 AM
You know that we ain’t going to finish that low anyway, if the rest of the transfer window turns out very well we could be a ‘dark horse for the cup’ though without worrying about a very shit league campaign.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2022, 11:16:04 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Yeh we are not Fkin Southarmton
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2022, 11:26:51 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Yeh we are not Fkin Southarmton

I think more the point is that if Wolves, Leicester and West Ham can be doing as well as they have in recent years so can we. I’ve also contradicted my earlier post as all three of those had quite a sudden elevation once they got going. I just think that as long as there is quite significant improvement it’ll be acceptable. It’s going to be on Gerrard now, I guess we’ll see how good he is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on June 26, 2022, 11:29:44 AM
He has to beat Dean's 55 points to start with, then move up from there. I am expecting around the 60 points mark.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 11:37:03 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Yeh we are not Fkin Southarmton
I think thats a really big ask - effectively - the top 6 is most likely going to take care of its self with the scab 6 - so effectively only one other club can finish above us - are we really going to finish above Wolves, Leicester & West Ham? 

Maybe - I think we need another 1 or 2 really good players coming in for me to think that is realistic rather than hope.  And I think for that to happen one or two need to be moved on.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 11:42:08 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Yeh we are not Fkin Southarmton

I think more the point is that if Wolves, Leicester and West Ham can be doing as well as they have in recent years so can we. I’ve also contradicted my earlier post as all three of those had quite a sudden elevation once they got going. I just think that as long as there is quite significant improvement it’ll be acceptable. It’s going to be on Gerrard now, I guess we’ll see how good he is.
Yeah thats a fair point - I guess the key to it will be can Gerrard get more out of the players in the "building", as I think he struggled to do that last season, and currently with the signings we have made, we will need to see a number of players that were inconsitent last season be more consitient.

I am pleased with the signings we have made - I think there really good additions, and I think we have avoided the "throwing the baby out with the bathwater" approach I was worried about
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2022, 11:48:01 AM
In no way at all will "top half" be acceptable. Top 8 bare minimum, a proper push for top 6 though is what I want to see.
Yeh we are not Fkin Southarmton
I think thats a really big ask - effectively - the top 6 is most likely going to take care of its self with the scab 6 - so effectively only one other club can finish above us - are we really going to finish above Wolves, Leicester & West Ham? 

Maybe - I think we need another 1 or 2 really good players coming in for me to think that is realistic rather than hope.  And I think for that to happen one or two need to be moved on.
Yes, and the weakest link based on what we have now is centre forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 26, 2022, 11:57:15 AM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
This will do me. Fuck 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2022, 12:06:38 PM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
This will do me. Fuck 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th.

See notionally that makes absolute sense, and clearly it’s looking at things in extremis, but can you imagine how grim the season would be outside of the cup runs? Especially as we wouldn’t know we were going to win them!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2022, 12:12:24 PM
I wouldn't want the number of ruined weekends that come with finishing 17th or the stress of a relegation battle.

In the league, I just look for year-on-year progress and to see that we're going in the right direction and see a strong squad that's getting stronger and bringing kids through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Moonraker on June 26, 2022, 12:24:55 PM
....and world peace?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 26, 2022, 12:40:47 PM
....and world peace?

It would be just our luck that we are 1-0 in the final few seconds of the FA Cup Final and that fucker Putin lights up London.  No doubts it would be against Manchester United, with that former Manager looking at his watch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 26, 2022, 01:23:08 PM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
This will do me. Fuck 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th.

See notionally that makes absolute sense, and clearly it’s looking at things in extremis, but can you imagine how grim the season would be outside of the cup runs? Especially as we wouldn’t know we were going to win them!

Yep, players would be handing-in transfer requests and looking to be off as soon as the Jan window opened.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 02:14:42 PM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
This will do me. Fuck 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th.

See notionally that makes absolute sense, and clearly it’s looking at things in extremis, but can you imagine how grim the season would be outside of the cup runs? Especially as we wouldn’t know we were going to win them!

Yep, players would be handing-in transfer requests and looking to be off as soon as the Jan window opened.
Think claudio tried that at Leicester and it didn’t work out for him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2022, 02:52:11 PM
Anyway, it would be good to see another significant one in next week, I assume pre season training starts on 4/7.
I reckon at least one will happen in or out next week at some point and things will start moving again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 26, 2022, 02:54:05 PM
Would take finishing 17th next season and winning the cup, 17th the season after and winning the Europa League and 17th the season after and winning the Champions League.
This will do me. Fuck 4th or 5th or 6th or 7th.

To just avoid relegation would be a complete disaster. A cup win doesn’t gloss over what an abomination of a season that would be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 26, 2022, 03:11:22 PM
Pre-season starts tomorrow, doesn't it?.  Decisions to be made about a few of the youngsters with regards to loans or squad positions.  We've got to be looking at back up in the full back areas, so does Hayden make the step up?

 Obviously Archer up front is an interesting decision, I don't think Davis will be staying but the asking price might need reviewing if the rumoured £15m is correct. 

They need to resolve the Chucky dilemma, if he's off let's get it done and move on.  Also Luiz.  Sign up or jog on, please.  If those 2 are leaving is Iroegbunam good enough to fill the hole?  Do we need 1 more in the middle.

I don't think these decisions will take long to be made or resolved the management structure looks more than capable of acting swiftly.  The first signings were obviously ear marked before the season ended and they completed that superbly.  I think this quiet period is a reflection of the uncertainty of player contracts and other teams not being as decisive in the market.  The next 10 days will seem some movement for sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 26, 2022, 03:56:27 PM
Was just guessing at the pre season start date as I think it’s usually 1st week July, could be wrong.
Yes, they have made a great start and I know sorting transfers is often easier said than done. There was some talk that Gerrard wanted things done before pre season though in as many cases as possible which I think is sensible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 26, 2022, 04:18:12 PM
I'm guessing about the date, too.  I know the training kit is out tomorrow.  Chucky certainly won't be back for a few more days hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 26, 2022, 04:21:36 PM
I looked the other day and apparently the team are back for fitness tests tomorrow, aside from the players who went for international games after the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 26, 2022, 04:23:17 PM
I'm guessing about the date, too.  I know the training kit is out tomorrow.  Chucky certainly won't be back for a few more days hopefully.

Chatting to my youngest earlier and he reckons 4th July is when they’re back in training.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 26, 2022, 04:59:11 PM
This has been an interesting summer - I think we have made some shrewd signings. 

I do think there are a couple of missing pieces that needs addressing - I dont think either Watkins or Ings suits the style we have been playing under SG. 

Also, it feels like more needs to change if we are going to change the culture in the club that I think SG is after.

I guess a lot will also depend on how much SG and his team can improve us with a full season, and also how much better players like Bailey and some of the youth players coudl be

This is the big unknown for me.  Would a preseason make a difference.  Or does Gerrard simply believe he hasn’t got the right players for how he wants to play

I don't think we are finished yet in the market and Gerrard has no excuses going into the new season as that 'reset' button will have been well and truly pressed.  Digne, Coutinho, Kamara, Carlos and a couple of others, ready to go straight into the team will mean that he owns this team.  He inherited Cash, Ramsey, Watkins, Buendia, but has to put the stamp on the side and get them to play Gerrard's way.
I think this is fair - but as another transition season of sorts - I wonder what the expectations are - I would think top half is the bare minimum that would be considered acceptable but I think that’s a big ask for a relatively rookie manager with a new assistant and a relatively changed squad.  I think the bored will be expecting a European challenge to be honest

I don’t think it’s a season of transition - it has to be massive progress, top 8 minimum.

Personally I think the top 4 from last year will be the same but every other team bar the promoted ones should start the season aiming for 5th…Arsenal ‘should’ get 5th but they are always 2 defeats away from Arsenal tv being the funniest thing on the internet.  ManYoo, West Ham, Leicester….we have to compete with these, they are nowt special

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 26, 2022, 06:53:32 PM
I just hope at the end of next season we have progressed, and SG has proven he’s up to the job.

Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are

Potentially we have seen with Carney how will struggle to hang onto the best young players in the world if we only play 40 games a season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 26, 2022, 07:13:32 PM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 26, 2022, 07:14:27 PM
We beat Brighton - who finished 9th - home and away last year. Any other time I seen them they didn't exactly look a cut above us either.

When we beat Soton at home in March a push for Europe looked on. With a pre season and even more of the players SG wants, we need to be in the shake up for the European slots at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 26, 2022, 07:23:16 PM
I'm guessing about the date, too.  I know the training kit is out tomorrow.  Chucky certainly won't be back for a few more days hopefully.

Chatting to my youngest earlier and he reckons 4th July is when they’re back in training.
Other clubs are returning tomorrow except those that have been on International duty.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard on June 26, 2022, 10:16:06 PM
Yeah with the season starting a week early Id expect them back tomorrow apart the likes of McGinn, Cash etc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2022, 08:44:11 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on June 27, 2022, 08:53:53 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2022, 09:03:05 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.
Unless Archer is the answer, we do not have enough up front.
Watkins and Ings will not get us where we want to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 27, 2022, 09:29:38 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.
Unless Archer is the answer, we do not have enough up front.
Watkins and Ings will not get us where we want to go.

I agree with this. I think Watkins is a good player that i’d like to keep and offers that work across the back line that is important, but i don’t see Ings getting any better in that kind of goal poacher role. I think if we want to push for Europe, which i think should be the aim this year, we have to have more pace up front and someone who is going to finish the multitude of chances Coutinhio and Beundia will create. I think the defence and midfield are starting to take shape, but i don’t think we have a top 6 forward line, unless Archer comes on the scene and blows the lid of it, which is a big ask this year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on June 27, 2022, 09:46:40 AM
Jonathan David is the answer to all striking woes, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 27, 2022, 09:48:28 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.

The window is far from finished so let’s see who goes out as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 27, 2022, 09:50:50 AM
I would imagine that we need to sell a few players before we can sign anyone else
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2022, 10:00:54 AM
I would imagine that we need to sell a few players before we can sign anyone else

Thats what I think too. I also think we have more signings lined up to come in the moment we shift the ones that Gerrard thinks are surplus to requirements. Of the players likely to leave these are ones with the most noise currently:

Trezeguet - linked to two different Turkish clubs, looking likely to go for £3m soon.

Davis - linked to Nottingham Forest and Watford for £15m

Sanson - Linked to Galatasaray today.

Luiz - links to AC Milan, Roma, and Newcastle for £29.5m

I would imagine Wesley, El Ghazi, Kalinic, Steer, Hause, Traore would all go if offers came in, or at least be loaned out to reduce the wage bill.

I think all of those will leave in the next 3-4 weeks, and that depending on how many and which are sold we will see 2-3 more players come in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 27, 2022, 10:03:22 AM
Newcastle are apparently interested in Luiz.  Probably in the same way I'm interested in Scarlett Johansson.  If we see a Bassey type LCB probably means Hause is off. 

Davis won't be off to Forest after they spent so much on a striker last week.  He's destined for the Championship. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 27, 2022, 10:15:38 AM
Feels like we've got (most of) the "easy" ones sorted out, and are now moving on to transfers which need a couple of things to fall in place first (e.g. other clubs finding replacements).

As AshtonVilla said, could see Trez (back to Turkey?), Davis (Forest/Watford?), Sanson (?), and Luiz (Newcastle/Italy?) all being moved on. Hause, El Ghazi & Traore if we can find someone to pay for them.  Hope Jed Steer gets a good move - he's a good keeper, but not going to get the game time with us that he needs to push on.  If he can find a decent Championship club to take him, I think he'll be playing regular Premier League football at some point in his career ... it's just not with us.


Think we'll be lumbered with Wesley & Kalinic until the end of their contracts. Nobody is going to pay them the wages they're getting with us, or anything mildly approaching that.  Overall, can't be too worked up by it though.  Wesley's been through an awful injury that could've been inflicted on anyone (and the perpetrator shouldn't be playing football for exactly that reason).  Kalinic seems one of the only truly poor transfers that we've been inflicted with long term.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2022, 10:19:22 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.
Unless Archer is the answer, we do not have enough up front.
Watkins and Ings will not get us where we want to go.

I agree with this. I think Watkins is a good player that i’d like to keep and offers that work across the back line that is important, but i don’t see Ings getting any better in that kind of goal poacher role. I think if we want to push for Europe, which i think should be the aim this year, we have to have more pace up front and someone who is going to finish the multitude of chances Coutinhio and Beundia will create. I think the defence and midfield are starting to take shape, but i don’t think we have a top 6 forward line, unless Archer comes on the scene and blows the lid of it, which is a big ask this year.
I agree with this too.  I think Ings and Watkins are both good but they dont suit the style of play we had last year - and unless we change the type of chances we create I think we will struggle in front of goals.

I think Watkins does better when we play more width, with pull backs particularly, but we dont create those as much as we tend to play through the middle.  His control is too poor, and we cant take advantage of his acceleration

Ings, is probably better suited, but lacks the pace and pressing of watkins. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Didier Five on June 27, 2022, 10:23:44 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.

I think we are still light in central midfield positions in terms of quality especially if Luiz goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2022, 10:24:04 AM
I would imagine that we need to sell a few players before we can sign anyone else

If you're talking FFP, then last 12 months we sold;
Grealish £105m
Engels - £5m
Targett - £15m

Bought
Ings - £25m
Bailey - £30m
Buendia - £38m
Digne - £26m
Coutinho - £17m
Carlos - £26m
Chambers - £3m
Olson - £3m

So that's about £43m spent, i wouldn't think we'd be too worried yet.

I think the following will go also
Davies - £12m
Trez - £3m
El Ghazi - £7m ?
Sanson - £12m ?

And then possibly;
Luiz - £20m ?
Traore - ?
Hause ?

I agree with the hole in the squad from previous windows also. I'm not sure there's specifically a hole at the moment, but i think we'd be a lot safer with another DM, a centre forward and a left back. A lot is being pinned on Kamara, he could well be excellent but whether he's well suited to the DM and whether it takes him a bit of time to acclimatise remains to be seen. He's a young guy that again has never player in this country before. Considering how weak we've been in that area for 3 years i think it would be very prudent to get another one in. We can always look to offload others if we suddenly look overloaded.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2022, 10:51:40 AM
We have no cover in the full back positions. Sort it out. Cash and Digne aren't exactly flawless.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2022, 10:58:50 AM
We have no cover in the full back positions. Sort it out. Cash and Digne aren't exactly flawless.

We have Guilbert (another that will probably be sold) and Kessler-Hayden to cover right back, and Chrisene and Young (probably) to cover left back.

It seems we are highly likely to buy a back up left back, been linked with a few. Can't see us buying a right back unless Guilbert leaves though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on June 27, 2022, 11:05:19 AM
Not too bothered at present who it is ,but PLEASE could somebody stop an opposition player running forty yards down the middle at us  without being tackled?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 27, 2022, 11:14:15 AM
Not too bothered at present who it is ,but PLEASE could somebody stop an opposition player running forty yards down the middle at us  without being tackled?

Which reminds me of what was said about Lee Hendrie - he was the only player in the league who would track back half the length of the pitch then bring his opponent down on the edge of our area. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2022, 11:18:32 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.

The window is far from finished so let’s see who goes out as well.

Oh yes, I agree. I suppose what I meant was that I agree about us being one man short in past windows/seasons, but this time it doesn't feel like that to me. We've got cover everywhere that means we should compete.

GK Martinez Olsen Steer Sinisalo

RB Cash Chambers Guilbert Kesler-Hayden

LB Digne Mings Hause Young Chrisene

CB Konsa Chambers Mings Carlos Hause

DM Kamara Nakamba Luiz Iroegbunam

CM McGinn Luiz Sanson Ramsey Chukwuemeka

AM Coutinho Buendia Bailey Traore O'Reilly

CF Watkins Ings Davis Archer Traore Wesley

That squad depth is better than we've had for a very long time, there's a mixture of experience and youth. I've repeated a couple of players in different positions, Mings, Hause, Luiz and Traore can play multiple positions. We've not really got any gaps there that are concerning, we just need to improve the quality to compete at the top.


(as a side note, I think it's pretty shit that the OS has Kamara in the squad but not Carlos and still has all the loan players as being out on loan.)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2022, 11:33:51 AM
If we get Luiz out for £20m, and replace him with Soucek for £30m it would be a big upgrade for a relatively small spend. Hope that rumour has some substance to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2022, 11:36:50 AM
I dont see specialist/proven cover at fullback. Chambers is a utility player, Young isn't up to it anymore, Fred will stay in France and Hause has two left feet which leaves the two young fellas who have never played in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2022, 11:38:28 AM
I agree with this too.  I think Ings and Watkins are both good but they dont suit the style of play we had last year - and unless we change the type of chances we create I think we will struggle in front of goals.

I think Watkins does better when we play more width, with pull backs particularly, but we dont create those as much as we tend to play through the middle.  His control is too poor, and we cant take advantage of his acceleration

Ings, is probably better suited, but lacks the pace and pressing of watkins.

I disagree with the bold bit. I think Ings is the one that doesn't really fit with how we play. For me his game is that he comes deep to link play and then gets into the box to poach but with 2 10s you don't need the link up element. What you need in a system like ours is strikers who move defenders around, either by running off their shoulder (which Watkins is excellent at) or by bullying the fuck out of them and forcing other defenders to provide cover.

The entire system is about creating space between the lines for the 10s to play in, which means you need to occupy the midfield and full backs (by pushing players past them) and stop the centre backs from stepping out, Ings doesn't do that and forces us to play 2 up top and 1 10 so he can become the player that drifts between the lines, which would be ok if our 10s weren't our 2 best players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2022, 11:45:09 AM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.

The window is far from finished so let’s see who goes out as well.

Oh yes, I agree. I suppose what I meant was that I agree about us being one man short in past windows/seasons, but this time it doesn't feel like that to me. We've got cover everywhere that means we should compete.

GK Martinez Olsen Steer Sinisalo

RB Cash Chambers Guilbert Kesler-Hayden

LB Digne Mings Hause Young Chrisene

CB Konsa Chambers Mings Carlos Hause

DM Kamara Nakamba Luiz Iroegbunam

CM McGinn Luiz Sanson Ramsey Chukwuemeka

AM Coutinho Buendia Bailey Traore O'Reilly

CF Watkins Ings Davis Archer Traore Wesley

That squad depth is better than we've had for a very long time, there's a mixture of experience and youth. I've repeated a couple of players in different positions, Mings, Hause, Luiz and Traore can play multiple positions. We've not really got any gaps there that are concerning, we just need to improve the quality to compete at the top.


(as a side note, I think it's pretty shit that the OS has Kamara in the squad but not Carlos and still has all the loan players as being out on loan.)

Yes, no glaring holes but you can certainly pick flies with RB, LB, DM and CF.

You have to think full back wise he's going to want like for like on Cash and Digne, i.e. players that are more attacking. I suppose the closest to that would be Guilbert for RB and Young for LB, the others are unproven or not suited to the attacking game and in the case of Guilbert, he seems a bit of a sulker if not in the team and with Young, he's 36/37

DM, we know Nakamba is only really suitable for back up if we want to progress, Tim is completely unproven and i wouldn't want to rely on him at all yet, and Kamara is in Gerrards words, someone suited to various midfield positions and he's also not played PL before so that will be a case of 'hoping' he'll do the job.

CF wise it's a case of how often he'll want to play with 2, but either way in order to progress we need a real top player there i think. If he's only mainly going to play with one we might want to offload one of the ones we have to make room.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 27, 2022, 11:45:29 AM
Soucek wont be leaving West Ham to join us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2022, 12:12:25 PM
I remember the, at best, clumsy comments from Soucek about racism allegations of one of his team mates. From memory he then sought to clarify his comments were misinterpreted, but seemed a bit flimsy to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 27, 2022, 12:18:10 PM
I agree with this too.  I think Ings and Watkins are both good but they dont suit the style of play we had last year - and unless we change the type of chances we create I think we will struggle in front of goals.

I think Watkins does better when we play more width, with pull backs particularly, but we dont create those as much as we tend to play through the middle.  His control is too poor, and we cant take advantage of his acceleration

Ings, is probably better suited, but lacks the pace and pressing of watkins.

I disagree with the bold bit. I think Ings is the one that doesn't really fit with how we play. For me his game is that he comes deep to link play and then gets into the box to poach but with 2 10s you don't need the link up element. What you need in a system like ours is strikers who move defenders around, either by running off their shoulder (which Watkins is excellent at) or by bullying the fuck out of them and forcing other defenders to provide cover.

The entire system is about creating space between the lines for the 10s to play in, which means you need to occupy the midfield and full backs (by pushing players past them) and stop the centre backs from stepping out, Ings doesn't do that and forces us to play 2 up top and 1 10 so he can become the player that drifts between the lines, which would be ok if our 10s weren't our 2 best players.
Yeah - thats a fair point, hadnt really looked at it like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 27, 2022, 12:43:47 PM
Can’t face us this time next year having another “huge” summer - at some point we have got to start doing our talking on the pitch, rather than just by spending big money and saying how ambitious we are


What I'd like to do is not what we normally do in a 'big' transfer window - leave one really important hole in the squad unfilled.

We always seem to emerge from windows a man short.

Are we a man shirt this time? With Kamara in, isn't that the gap we needed filling?

I'm not saying that more, better, additions wouldn't be welcome, but that a 38 game season shouldn't be a problem with what we have already. And the manager has no excuses.
Squad wise I think we are a man short in that if Digne got injured the day after the window shut we would not have proven left back cover but other than that we are ok.  Suspect there will still be at least one more that Gerrard wants and maybe a loan or two to free up some of youngsters going out on loan too.
Unless Archer is the answer, we do not have enough up front.
Watkins and Ings will not get us where we want to go.

Then the priority should be to first sell either Ings or Watkins whilst their value is high.  We can’t just keep throwing good money at it to solve previous splurges.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 27, 2022, 12:47:16 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 27, 2022, 12:54:26 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 27, 2022, 01:01:56 PM
Yes, no glaring holes but you can certainly pick flies with RB, LB, DM and CF.

You have to think full back wise he's going to want like for like on Cash and Digne, i.e. players that are more attacking. I suppose the closest to that would be Guilbert for RB and Young for LB, the others are unproven or not suited to the attacking game and in the case of Guilbert, he seems a bit of a sulker if not in the team and with Young, he's 36/37

DM, we know Nakamba is only really suitable for back up if we want to progress, Tim is completely unproven and i wouldn't want to rely on him at all yet, and Kamara is in Gerrards words, someone suited to various midfield positions and he's also not played PL before so that will be a case of 'hoping' he'll do the job.

CF wise it's a case of how often he'll want to play with 2, but either way in order to progress we need a real top player there i think. If he's only mainly going to play with one we might want to offload one of the ones we have to make room. I'd also consider if Bailey can offer the sort of running off the shoulder option we need. I suspect if we do see a forward it'll be towards the end of the window (unless we get a good offer on Ings or Watkins in the meantime).

I'm fine with Kesler as the backup at right-back. If he looks out of his depth then Chambers and Konsa can both do a job there until January, not ideal but I think it would be a mistake to go big on cover there this window.

At DM Nakamba is ok as cover even if he's a limited player compared to Kamara. That gives us the opportunity to keep Iroegbunam in the squad and get him gametime without having to rely on him as a regualr starter in Kamara is out. Another one I'd review in January rather than now. However we do need another midfielder if, as expected, Sanson and Luiz go out, maybe that can be someone more defensive if Kamara is going to play a few roles but personally I think that would be a mistake, he's far more likely to settle in and become the player we need if he's allowed to just be the DM for now.

LB we need something, Chrisene looks a good player but isn't as far along as Kesler and needs a loan this window and none of the options we have (even if Young stays on) really work for me so I'd be happy to see someone come in.

CF is really difficult because we have 4 strikers that I like but they all have weaknesses, Davis is probably going anyway and Archer is one to see how he goes in pre-season before deciding where he plays next season which leaves Watkins and Ings. As I've said a few posts back I don't think Ings really suits how Gerrard seems to want to play so if we could replace him I'd do it but I wouldn't be against going into the season with Watkins, Ings and Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on June 27, 2022, 03:01:56 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.

Everyone seems to be reporting and commenting on how good his loan spells have been, but our manager/s have continually ignored him. We must be paying him an handsome wage, as no one seems to want to buy  him. Maybe another loan followed by a free transfer?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 27, 2022, 03:02:59 PM
Being linked with Otavio? Midfielder
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 27, 2022, 03:10:38 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.

Everyone seems to be reporting and commenting on how good his loan spells have been, but our manager/s have continually ignored him. We must be paying him an handsome wage, as no one seems to want to buy  him. Maybe another loan followed by a free transfer?

Both him and Sanson look half decent squad players. I think the problem with the pair of them is that they sulk if not in the team. In Guilberts case I seem to recall he pushed for a loan when Cash came in (similar to Targett), and Sanson seems to have a reputation for being difficult to manage.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on June 27, 2022, 03:16:02 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.

Everyone seems to be reporting and commenting on how good his loan spells have been, but our manager/s have continually ignored him. We must be paying him an handsome wage, as no one seems to want to buy  him. Maybe another loan followed by a free transfer?

Both him and Sanson look half decent squad players. I think the problem with the pair of them is that they sulk if not in the team. In Guilberts case I seem to recall he pushed for a loan when Cash came in (similar to Targett), and Sanson seems to have a reputation for being difficult to manage.

Pleased they're not conforming to lazy national stereotype!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2022, 03:19:50 PM

I'm fine with Kesler as the backup at right-back. If he looks out of his depth then Chambers and Konsa can both do a job there until January, not ideal but I think it would be a mistake to go big on cover there this window.

At DM Nakamba is ok as cover even if he's a limited player compared to Kamara. That gives us the opportunity to keep Iroegbunam in the squad and get him gametime without having to rely on him as a regualr starter in Kamara is out. Another one I'd review in January rather than now. However we do need another midfielder if, as expected, Sanson and Luiz go out, maybe that can be someone more defensive if Kamara is going to play a few roles but personally I think that would be a mistake, he's far more likely to settle in and become the player we need if he's allowed to just be the DM for now.

LB we need something, Chrisene looks a good player but isn't as far along as Kesler and needs a loan this window and none of the options we have (even if Young stays on) really work for me so I'd be happy to see someone come in.

CF is really difficult because we have 4 strikers that I like but they all have weaknesses, Davis is probably going anyway and Archer is one to see how he goes in pre-season before deciding where he plays next season which leaves Watkins and Ings. As I've said a few posts back I don't think Ings really suits how Gerrard seems to want to play so if we could replace him I'd do it but I wouldn't be against going into the season with Watkins, Ings and Archer.

I think RB wise, i'd give Young another year to cover Cash with view to Kesler having a real chance the year after. Therefore, yes, we need to buy a left back as cover for Digne and i suspect that's what they'll be doing.

DM wise, i'd still like to see us go as i mentioned previously but yes fingers crossed Kamara will be the quality DM. He reminds me a lot of Delph from the clips i've seen, and i recall him growing into the role as he matured and got more experienced but took a little while to do so. If we don't buy another holding player, then i suppose we'll see. Yes, and i suppose it could be reviewed in Jan.

There's not a lot wrong on the face of it with a trio of Watkins, Ings and Archer but i just think to progress for European football qualification it needs someone more prolific and able to hold the ball up.

As for others comments about a bloated squad, that's what you get when you're trying to improve your squad year on year. El Ghazi, Trez etc were all ok for that first year back but we've outgrown them. The players that we signed last summer and since would have been very unlikely to join us in summer 2019. So what are you supposed to do? Move on those types of player and buy better ones, it's all you can do unless those players improve dramatically but it's not often the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2022, 03:29:51 PM
We have no cover in the full back positions. Sort it out. Cash and Digne aren't exactly flawless.

Sort it out. You know it’s still June right? And we have cover those positions. At RB we gave Guilbert and KH, and at left back we have Young and Chrisine. RB we are fine. LB we need better cover.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 27, 2022, 03:34:31 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.

Guilbert has another year on his contract to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 27, 2022, 03:40:38 PM
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Guilbert has another year on his contract to go.

Then unless directly expressed by Fred himself that he does not want to return then SG needs him in for pre season and see what he is made of - he could be an ideal understudy and with a couple of compatriots around him might just save us some money to spend elsewhere
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 27, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
I don't think he's a viable option really, he's been out in the cold for 2 years and unlike when Hutton came back into it when we were on the slide, we're very much hoping to go the other way at the moment. I think he's be ok as back up but i don't think he'd be happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 27, 2022, 03:43:53 PM
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Guilbert has another year on his contract to go.

Then unless directly expressed by Fred himself that he does not want to return then SG needs him in for pre season and see what he is made of - he could be an ideal understudy and with a couple of compatriots around him might just save us some money to spend elsewhere

That would be my preferred option too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2022, 03:45:48 PM
Freddie Guilbert was never given a fair chance under Dean Smith. And when he played I never remember him having a nightmare that meant he simply wasn’t good enough at PL level. He’s certainly more than good enough to be a first choice back up to Marty Cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2022, 03:59:41 PM
Freddie Guilbert was never given a fair chance under Dean Smith. And when he played I never remember him having a nightmare that meant he simply wasn’t good enough at PL level. He’s certainly more than good enough to be a first choice back up to Marty Cash.
His performance at Southampton was one of the worst I have seen by a Villa player and I don’t think he played much after that game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2022, 04:02:22 PM
Freddie Guilbert was never given a fair chance under Dean Smith. And when he played I never remember him having a nightmare that meant he simply wasn’t good enough at PL level. He’s certainly more than good enough to be a first choice back up to Marty Cash.
His performance at Southampton was one of the worst I have seen by a Villa player and I don’t think he played much after that game.

If we eliminate Villa players based on one bad display then we wouldn’t have a club to support.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 27, 2022, 04:10:22 PM
Freddie Guilbert was never given a fair chance under Dean Smith. And when he played I never remember him having a nightmare that meant he simply wasn’t good enough at PL level. He’s certainly more than good enough to be a first choice back up to Marty Cash.
His performance at Southampton was one of the worst I have seen by a Villa player and I don’t think he played much after that game.

If we eliminate Villa players based on one bad display then we wouldn’t have a club to support.
I was just commenting as you said you did not remember him having a nightmare. I was trying to research if it was his last game.
He was not the only one that day but probably the pick of the bunch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 27, 2022, 04:13:44 PM
I don't think having to sell before we buy has anything to do with FFP.  We are in danger of having a bloated squad with too many players earning money for doing nowt, for example we have Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Traore, Trezeguet, El Ghazi and youngsters effectively looking to fill 2 spots on the team sheet and up to 2 on the bench, I'd happily see AEG, Trez go as they aren't up to the standard we need, then if we can find a home for Traore we can bring in another more talented player, this would allow us to use our youngsters to fill holes in case of injuries.

Agree Gonzo.  If we are going down this Dortmund model of youth football then we need to create some room in the squad for them.

What is Guilbert’s situation now, has his contract expired?  From what I read he had a good season in France, could he cover both full-backs next season?  it’d save us £1Xm and give Chrisene and K-Hasler another season to develop.

Guilbert has another year on his contract to go.
I'd be amazed if Guilbert is in the squad next season.  I think we'll rely on a combination of Chambers / Konsa / Young and recall KKH if we have a big injury.  I don't think we should be looking for a right back at all and am looking forward to seeing what KKH can do when he gets his chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 27, 2022, 05:13:48 PM
We have no cover in the full back positions. Sort it out. Cash and Digne aren't exactly flawless.

Sort it out. You know it’s still June right? And we have cover those positions. At RB we gave Guilbert and KH, and at left back we have Young and Chrisine. RB we are fine. LB we need better cover.

You see Guilbert coming back here? I don't. And I don't think Young is up to it anymore while Chrisene is a baby.

I know it's still June. But by September I'd want better options to push Cash and Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 27, 2022, 05:43:08 PM
Newcastle are apparently interested in Luiz.  Probably in the same way I'm interested in Scarlett Johansson.  If we see a Bassey type LCB probably means Hause is off. 

Davis won't be off to Forest after they spent so much on a striker last week.  He's destined for the Championship.

I can see KD going to Norwich
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 27, 2022, 06:31:56 PM
We have no cover in the full back positions. Sort it out. Cash and Digne aren't exactly flawless.

Sort it out. You know it’s still June right? And we have cover those positions. At RB we gave Guilbert and KH, and at left back we have Young and Chrisine. RB we are fine. LB we need better cover.

You see Guilbert coming back here? I don't. And I don't think Young is up to it anymore while Chrisene is a baby.

I know it's still June. But by September I'd want better options to push Cash and Digne.

Mate that’s two whole months away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2022, 07:02:54 PM
We can see the level of players being signed are ones who play European football and are being signed from abroad on European leagues as in England prices have been too high for likes of Phillips who I said was a done deal and went to Man City and Sterling is a done deal and going to Chelsea but I  hear we'll be getting a champions league level attacking player as long as we meet release clause.
Likes of Nunez and Haaaland beyond us at this moment due to not having Champions league but Gerrard and Lange look to bring players who are champions league experienced for extra midfielder quality.
Make of that what we will.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on June 27, 2022, 08:10:10 PM
Left back's more of a position to find cover for as KKH is probably ready to be an understudy to Cash.

We've invested a lot in our academy and there will be times where they've identified someone and provide a clear pathway for them so they can be integrated into the first team squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 27, 2022, 08:54:45 PM
Left back's more of a position to find cover for as KKH is probably ready to be an understudy to Cash.

We've invested a lot in our academy and there will be times where they've identified someone and provide a clear pathway for them so they can be integrated into the first team squad.

Exactly the point I've been making.  We signed players to fill the spots we were positive we hadn't got youth to fill immediately, with perhaps the exception of LB.  I believe we will now be looking to move players on to create spaces or waiting to judge if replacements are needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2022, 12:00:42 AM
We can see the level of players being signed are ones who play European football and are being signed from abroad on European leagues as in England prices have been too high for likes of Phillips who I said was a done deal and went to Man City and Sterling is a done deal and going to Chelsea but I  hear we'll be getting a champions league level attacking player as long as we meet release clause.
Likes of Nunez and Haaaland beyond us at this moment due to not having Champions league but Gerrard and Lange look to bring players who are champions league experienced for extra midfielder quality.
Make of that what we will.
..

I'll indulge you... Who?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2022, 12:15:46 AM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 28, 2022, 12:26:51 AM
"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on June 28, 2022, 06:53:14 AM
"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.

Or Nakamba
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 28, 2022, 08:02:26 AM
"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.

Triumphant homecoming for Steven Davis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 28, 2022, 09:02:21 AM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.

VC amoung others are real deal I'm more third party insurance not itk at all
We hope to get another year out of Ings even with planned forward signing
Ings is free agent 2024 so thus time next year is another story.
Especially with the promising young attacking players,  new signing and continuing progression of Watkins.

"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.

Or Nakamba
Don't have a specific name to divulge more a these are the midfielders in market

Sanson was champions league for example.
So essentially seems replacing to fit someone more suited to SG ways and in before the tour

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 28, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.

VC amoung others are real deal I'm more third party insurance not itk at all
We hope to get another year out of Ings even with planned forward signing
Ings is free agent 2024 so thus time next year is another story.
Especially with the promising young attacking players,  new signing and continuing progression of Watkins.

"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.

Or Nakamba
Don't have a specific name to divulge more a these are the midfielders in market

Sanson was champions league for example.
So essentially seems replacing to fit someone more suited to SG ways and in before the tour

The way you posted, it sounded like you were stating facts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 28, 2022, 12:08:54 PM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.

VC amoung others are real deal I'm more third party insurance not itk at all
We hope to get another year out of Ings even with planned forward signing
Ings is free agent 2024 so thus time next year is another story.
Especially with the promising young attacking players,  new signing and continuing progression of Watkins.

"Champions League level" could mean "Rangers", The New Saints or Lincoln Red Imps.

Or Nakamba
Don't have a specific name to divulge more a these are the midfielders in market

Sanson was champions league for example.
So essentially seems replacing to fit someone more suited to SG ways and in before the tour

The way you posted, it sounded like you were stating facts.
Sorry Drummonds if misinform no names.
Would say that Sanson going and to be replaced by a champions league level player
I hope you enjoy rest of summer and we can have fresh optsimsim for new season.
Cheers!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2022, 12:28:20 PM
You didn't honestly expect a straight answer did you? I can spot a waffler a mile off, i've worked with enough in recent years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on June 28, 2022, 01:10:38 PM
Sorry Drummonds if misinform no names.
Would say that Sanson going and to be replaced by a champions league level player
I hope you enjoy rest of summer and we can have fresh optsimsim for new season.
Cheers!


Sanson was a 'Champions League level player' when we signed him wasn't he? Agree that if either/or/both Luiz and Sanson go then a better player will be incoming.

Think Luiz will go, but we may keep Sanson. He was signed on a five year contract for £15m which means for FFP he is still on the books for £11.5m, so we would need to sell for upwards of that to not make FFP worse. Can't see us getting more than £8m for him, so think he will either go out on loan to keep the wages down, or stay and compete for a place from the bench. Not unhappy if he stays as he is a decent bench option.

More important we get cash in for Luiz before he is out of contract, plus he is our worst midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 28, 2022, 04:04:20 PM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.

Getting info from the avenues I previously get the odd bits from are currently tighter than a ducks butt
Villa operate so bloody tightly.

We do want 3 more in. LB, CM and forward with the left back most further along from what I do know

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 28, 2022, 04:05:44 PM
We can see the level of players being signed are ones who play European football and are being signed from abroad on European leagues as in England prices have been too high for likes of Phillips who I said was a done deal and went to Man City and Sterling is a done deal and going to Chelsea but I  hear we'll be getting a champions league level attacking player as long as we meet release clause.
Likes of Nunez and Haaaland beyond us at this moment due to not having Champions league but Gerrard and Lange look to bring players who are champions league experienced for extra midfielder quality.
Make of that what we will.



Octavio you alluding to?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 28, 2022, 04:50:24 PM
Not sure Octavio is a centre mid?

The three positions you mention though are what's needed i think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 28, 2022, 04:51:47 PM
Not sure Octavio is a centre mid?

The three positions you mention though are what's needed i think.

I think he's a number 8
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 28, 2022, 05:13:34 PM
He's more an industrious winger than a central midfielder and he's well overpriced.
Fortunately we're not interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 28, 2022, 05:16:25 PM
Footy Vill and Vinnie Chase, I appreciate our H&V in the knows.

Getting info from the avenues I previously get the odd bits from are currently tighter than a ducks butt
Villa operate so bloody tightly.

We do want 3 more in. LB, CM and forward with the left back most further along from what I do know
Really appreciate the bits & bobs you do pass on :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 28, 2022, 06:05:16 PM
Any word on shifting players out, VC?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 28, 2022, 06:22:24 PM
Any word on shifting players out, VC?

Slow at the moment. Clubs known we have ones available so taking time.
Trez will be first gone (believe that’s not far off)
Bit of interest in Sanson recently

Expect Hause will be a late ish loan exit,
Tim/Archer as well (pending our in’s)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 28, 2022, 07:31:46 PM
Fulham linked with the Wolfsburg right back Kevin Mbabu.

Good deal that, particularly if it's for the reported €10 million.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 28, 2022, 07:41:11 PM
Any word on shifting players out, VC?

Slow at the moment. Clubs known we have ones available so taking time.
Trez will be first gone (believe that’s not far off)
Bit of interest in Sanson recently

Expect Hause will be a late ish loan exit,
Tim/Archer as well (pending our in’s)




Disappointed to see Sanson go if he does , feel like it never got going with him or given the chance
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 28, 2022, 10:04:31 PM
Any word on shifting players out, VC?

Slow at the moment. Clubs known we have ones available so taking time.
Trez will be first gone (believe that’s not far off)
Bit of interest in Sanson recently

Expect Hause will be a late ish loan exit,
Tim/Archer as well (pending our in’s)



Currently complete and utter nonsense regarding Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 28, 2022, 10:59:27 PM
Any word on shifting players out, VC?

Slow at the moment. Clubs known we have ones available so taking time.
Trez will be first gone (believe that’s not far off)
Bit of interest in Sanson recently

Expect Hause will be a late ish loan exit,
Tim/Archer as well (pending our in’s)



Currently complete and utter nonsense regarding Archer.

Good to hear it, Lee. He was one of the very few bright sparks this year. I almost had Preston as my second club. Almost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 28, 2022, 11:15:44 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on June 28, 2022, 11:29:01 PM
Fulham linked with the Wolfsburg right back Kevin Mbabu.

Good deal that, particularly if it's for the reported €10 million.

Glad we are not in for him, almost impossible to get a song invented
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 29, 2022, 01:01:36 AM
Fulham linked with the Wolfsburg right back Kevin Mbabu.

Good deal that, particularly if it's for the reported €10 million.

Glad we are not in for him, almost impossible to get a song invented

Not for Blur fans!

Oh Mbabu, oh Mbabu, oh why, oh my.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2022, 01:22:21 AM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2022, 01:35:53 AM
Fulham linked with the Wolfsburg right back Kevin Mbabu.

Good deal that, particularly if it's for the reported €10 million.

Glad we are not in for him, almost impossible to get a song invented

Not for Blur fans!

Oh Mbabu, oh Mbabu, oh why, oh my.

Or Kate Bush fans.....All ours, MBabu scores, MBabu scores, Mbabu, ja, ja.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 29, 2022, 07:43:35 AM
How about Zinchencko from Man City, he is keen to move so he can play CM?  If both Sanson and Luiz leave there will be a gap in the squad and he can cover LB when needed.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 29, 2022, 07:56:29 AM
Seems that Sanson is off to the Turkish League - Galatasaray
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 08:30:54 AM
Seems that Sanson is off to the Turkish League - Galatasaray
Seems a shame as I have always thought he looked good, but if 2 managers didnt fancy him, Its probably for the best and clearly they see him everyday
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 29, 2022, 08:31:59 AM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2022, 08:41:17 AM
Vinnie, any clues as to the central midfielder? Comparing wise?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on June 29, 2022, 09:56:49 AM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

Reading Vinnie Chase 84's post I don't think he's saying anything is definite and it ties in with what you know....If Gerrard gets an offer of a fantastic striker at the right deal he will probably take it (and Archer will be out on loan) ...if he doesn't and Archer looks good pre-season then he may stay...if not he may be off on loan...nowt stranger than transfers...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2022, 10:16:56 AM
Seems that Sanson is off to the Turkish League - Galatasaray
Seems a shame as I have always thought he looked good, but if 2 managers didnt fancy him, Its probably for the best and clearly they see him everyday

Turkish clubs don't have much money so we're either taking a FFP haircut on this or its a loan with a view to recouping a decent selling fee next year. Such a pity though, this fella is classy on the ball and we've just let him fall through the cracks while Luiz and McGinn underwhelm half the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 29, 2022, 10:24:44 AM
Seems that Sanson is off to the Turkish League - Galatasaray
Seems a shame as I have always thought he looked good, but if 2 managers didnt fancy him, Its probably for the best and clearly they see him everyday

Turkish clubs don't have much money so we're either taking a FFP haircut on this or its a loan with a view to recouping a decent selling fee next year. Such a pity though, this fella is classy on the ball and we've just let him fall through the cracks while Luiz and McGinn underwhelm half the time.

I can only assume it’s an attitude problem with him, Both Gerrard and Smith tried to give players a chance but neither seem to have been impressed. It’s also telling that no other French clubs appear to have been back in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2022, 10:47:28 AM
McGinn and Ramsey are already ahead of him, Luiz too in my book (when he's played as an 8 rather than 6) so it makes sense. I've liked what I've seen but clearly the managers don't.

I wonder too, if Chukwuemeka could see more of a pathway with him moved on...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on June 29, 2022, 10:50:05 AM
I think you are right. We have all probably seen/played with peole like that. Gifted but troublesome or not responding to coaching. If rumours are true - there seems to be a 10 mil. drop in price from when we bought him. Bad financial management if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 29, 2022, 10:52:50 AM
There was no lack of effort when he played.  Who knows what his attitude was in training, but from the outside it's hard to understand why he was never given more of a chance.  Looked decent to me every time he played.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 29, 2022, 11:27:33 AM
I remember when Gerrard came in, he mentioned having sat down with Sanson and said he didn't care about what had happened in the past and if he trained well he'd get a chance. It could have been the standard clean slate conversation, but I got the impression Sanson was unhappy with how he'd been treated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2022, 11:34:33 AM
Might have been the sporting director's signing.

I say that with no inside knowledge at all. It looked like a signing that ticked a lot of boxes at the time but Smith didn't seem too fussed about including him after his first injury.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 29, 2022, 11:37:47 AM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

Reading Vinnie Chase 84's post I don't think he's saying anything is definite and it ties in with what you know....If Gerrard gets an offer of a fantastic striker at the right deal he will probably take it (and Archer will be out on loan) ...if he doesn't and Archer looks good pre-season then he may stay...if not he may be off on loan...nowt stranger than transfers...

That's how i saw it too. Archer has been the one that's impressed me the most so far other than Jacob Ramsey, of all the youngsters. Lets hope he can keep the momentum going during pre-season. If he looks really good and we can get a top quality one in perhaps we should look to move on one of Watkins and Ings if either are open to it and the interest is there. I do like both, but in that situation i think it would be the way to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Might have been the sporting director's signing.

I say that with no inside knowledge at all. It looked like a signing that ticked a lot of boxes at the time but Smith didn't seem too fussed about including him after his first injury.
I think this is right.  I think a big part of it was it quickly became clear that Ramsey was better then him and ready to play week in week out
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 29, 2022, 02:15:05 PM
Might have been the sporting director's signing.

I say that with no inside knowledge at all. It looked like a signing that ticked a lot of boxes at the time but Smith didn't seem too fussed about including him after his first injury.
I think this is right.  I think a big part of it was it quickly became clear that Ramsey was better then him and ready to play week in week out

Threw a water bottle in the direction of Smith after being ignored at Arsenal, kicked a water bottle into the home end after being subbed off against Man, its the water bottles that done him!
Honestly, he’s never been in a strong enough position in the squad to show that much outside aggression or petulance, however frustrated he was.
Ive always thought he looked ok, but also seems to have got better the less he’s played. I don’t care much if/when he goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eric woolban woolban on June 29, 2022, 04:40:55 PM
I think we're cursed when it comes to French players.
Sanson, Guillbert, Pires, Berson, Agathe, Ginola, Six.
Seven that i can think of...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 29, 2022, 04:57:28 PM
I think we're cursed when it comes to French players.
Sanson, Guillbert, Pires, Berson, Agathe, Ginola, Six.
Seven that i can think of...

God help us with Boubaka then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on June 29, 2022, 05:48:24 PM
I think we're cursed when it comes to French players.
Sanson, Guillbert, Pires, Berson, Agathe, Ginola, Six.
Seven that i can think of...

Sounds like they were all at sixes and sevens 😁
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gerrin on June 29, 2022, 06:02:29 PM
I think we're cursed when it comes to French players.
Sanson, Guillbert, Pires, Berson, Agathe, Ginola, Six.
Seven that i can think of...

Not to mention possibly the worst manager in our history.

I guess Pires and Ginola were at the back end of their careers and kind of did a job. Vertout and Amavi were probably decent players just arrived at the wrong time. Always a gamble taking players directly from the French League as it's not PL standard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on June 29, 2022, 06:29:31 PM
I don’t even think Garde was our worse manager that season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 06:36:16 PM
I think we're cursed when it comes to French players.
Sanson, Guillbert, Pires, Berson, Agathe, Ginola, Six.
Seven that i can think of...

Not to mention possibly the worst manager in our history.

I guess Pires and Ginola were at the back end of their careers and kind of did a job. Vertout and Amavi were probably decent players just arrived at the wrong time. Always a gamble taking players directly from the French League as it's not PL standard.
Glad we've stopped doing then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 06:37:08 PM
Might have been the sporting director's signing.

I say that with no inside knowledge at all. It looked like a signing that ticked a lot of boxes at the time but Smith didn't seem too fussed about including him after his first injury.
I think this is right.  I think a big part of it was it quickly became clear that Ramsey was better then him and ready to play week in week out

Threw a water bottle in the direction of Smith after being ignored at Arsenal, kicked a water bottle into the home end after being subbed off against Man, its the water bottles that done him!
Honestly, he’s never been in a strong enough position in the squad to show that much outside aggression or petulance, however frustrated he was.
Ive always thought he looked ok, but also seems to have got better the less he’s played. I don’t care much if/when he goes.
To be honest, were just lucky he didnt injury himself kicking them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2022, 07:01:01 PM
I don’t even think Garde was our worse manager that season.

I agree with Dave P.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2022, 07:12:26 PM
Brian Green was a big fan of Remi.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on June 29, 2022, 07:25:26 PM
Remi Garde took over one of the most toxic dressing rooms in Villa’s history
He had no chance from the start

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 29, 2022, 07:28:12 PM
True. He still could have made more of a fist of it. I'm not sure even a great manager could have kept us up, but Remi wasn't a great manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 07:34:31 PM
True. He still could have made more of a fist of it. I'm not sure even a great manager could have kept us up, but Remi wasn't a great manager.
Managers must need there head examining to come to Villa at the best of times, let alone then. 

We're a grave yard for mangerial ambition and promise



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on June 29, 2022, 08:42:09 PM
Dr Venglos anyone?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 29, 2022, 08:56:05 PM
We got good managers but in the wrong situations, or didn't give them what they needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2022, 09:04:40 PM
Remi Garde took over one of the most toxic dressing rooms in Villa’s history
He had no chance from the start



This.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 09:11:09 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on June 29, 2022, 09:44:53 PM
Dr Venglos anyone?

Venglos would have been a brilliant coach had his time been 10 years later.
British football was a completely different style to European football. It hadn’t yet evolved with an influx of European players.
It was probably the only time the Doug was ahead of the times
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2022, 09:49:49 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I saw one tweet which when translated said that were going to offer 30m euros plus 5m in variables.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 10:00:10 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I saw one tweet which when translated said that were going to offer 30m euros plus 5m in variables.
Yeah and quite a few ITK saying this is what they were aludding too.  No idea if he is any good - from what I can work out hes an either a winger or an attacking midfielder - but hes goals stats look pretty weak?

No idea though to be honest - its just what I got from the google box
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 29, 2022, 10:03:07 PM
Barca will be signing Lewandowski so that dream died!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 29, 2022, 10:04:18 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I saw one tweet which when translated said that were going to offer 30m euros plus 5m in variables.
Yeah and quite a few ITK saying this is what they were aludding too.  No idea if he is any good - from what I can work out hes an either a winger or an attacking midfielder - but hes goals stats look pretty weak?

No idea though to be honest - its just what I got from the google box

He Sanson plays a variety of positions across midfield.
We'll sign him if we meet the release clause.
And basically replace Sanson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 29, 2022, 10:11:28 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I saw one tweet which when translated said that were going to offer 30m euros plus 5m in variables.
Yeah and quite a few ITK saying this is what they were aludding too.  No idea if he is any good - from what I can work out hes an either a winger or an attacking midfielder - but hes goals stats look pretty weak?

No idea though to be honest - its just what I got from the google box

He Sanson plays a variety of positions across midfield.
We'll sign him if we meet the release clause.
And basically replace Sanson.
Is he any good?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on June 29, 2022, 10:25:13 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

She was good in Pipkins but must be ancient now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 29, 2022, 10:28:36 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I saw one tweet which when translated said that were going to offer 30m euros plus 5m in variables.
Yeah and quite a few ITK saying this is what they were aludding too.  No idea if he is any good - from what I can work out hes an either a winger or an attacking midfielder - but hes goals stats look pretty weak?

No idea though to be honest - its just what I got from the google box

He Sanson plays a variety of positions across midfield.
We'll sign him if we meet the release clause.
And basically replace Sanson.
Is he any good?
Keeps the ball well . Wins it back well. But we supposedly have that in Sanson

Could be a better fit than Sanson as he has more flexibility to play across midfield and deeper.
He's got an energy like Buendia.
However we shouldn't get  too excited as the release clause would mean have to break out current transfer record.
I don't see us paying 45mil!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 29, 2022, 10:32:52 PM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

She was good in Pipkins but must be ancient now.

Still going strong, she was great in The Help and Hidden Figures.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2022, 12:19:05 AM
lots of links to Otavio now.

Which I believe is a Vauxhall family hatchback

I thought we were still endorsing African car reversers only.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gerrin on June 30, 2022, 08:50:55 AM
True. He still could have made more of a fist of it. I'm not sure even a great manager could have kept us up, but Remi wasn't a great manager.

He's a terrible manager, his subsequent managerial career has only gone on to prove that further. We weren't even close to having a chance of staying up with him in charge.


Garde arrived at Villa Park in 2015 as a replacement for Tim Sherwood, and came with pedigree. In his previous job with Lyon, he steered the Ligue 1 club to victory in both the Coupe de France and Trophee des Champions.

However, it didn’t work out for him in the Premier League as his strict regime and lack of interaction with the team meant he lasted just five months. Hired in the November, Garde was axed in March with Villa still rock-bottom of the table. The club was later relegated.

And according to Agbonlahor, the coach was so unbearable that ‘even the French players couldn’t stand him’.

“Remi Garde was the worst manager I ever played under,” said the former winger. “He is up there at the top on his own.

“And it’s not just me, if you asked any player in the whole squad they’d say exactly the same.

Remi Garde’s reign at Aston Villa was not filled with joy – he only won three of his 23 games in charge of the club
“When he came in he was arrogant in a bad way, where even in training he would be watching on the side with his arms folded, shaking his head, sulking, throwing his arms up.

“The older players in the squad would be thinking, ‘come over and tell the players what they’re not doing right’, but he just held it inside. He didn’t say anything.

“He never got involved in the sessions, either. Even on game days he’d just sit in the dugout and not ever come out and say if something was going wrong. He’d just be shaking his head thinking, ‘they’re all rubbish’.

“He wanted it to be like an army base. You weren’t allowed to laugh or smile!

“I remember one day Jack told me: ‘Remi Garde has just told me off for smiling’.

“I was like… ‘y’what?!’

“Jack walked down the corridor and he said to him: ‘Why are you laughing so much? Why are you so happy?’

“How can you tell someone not to smile at work? You want players to be happy when they’re playing football.

“And he was serious, he wasn’t joking. It was incredible!”

Did Garde never smile, then?

“No,” Agbonlahor added.

“Eventually it got to the stage where he was waiting to be sacked. He was waiting for his pay-off. He didn’t want to resign and lose his money, he was waiting for the pay-off.

“And you’d think maybe the French players would have liked him, but they couldn’t stand him either, or his assistant.

“He was wrong fit from the very beginning.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 30, 2022, 08:56:39 AM
To be fair he might have been a poor manager - but I wouldn’t hold much stock in what Gabby says. His attitude, and that of a good portion of that squad, was absolutely toxic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 08:57:14 AM
"He’d just be shaking his head thinking, ‘they’re all rubbish"

"watching on the side with his arms folded, shaking his head, sulking, throwing his arms up."

Sounds like he was thinking the same as the fans in the stands...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 09:12:10 AM
"He’d just be shaking his head thinking, ‘they’re all rubbish"

"watching on the side with his arms folded, shaking his head, sulking, throwing his arms up."

Sounds like he was thinking the same as the fans in the stands...

I'm not giving Gabby any credit but what he says rings true. He was well paid to manage the situation not stand on the side tutting, we were fucked but he was fucking useless.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 09:43:10 AM
To be fair he might have been a poor manager - but I wouldn’t hold much stock in what Gabby says. His attitude, and that of a good portion of that squad, was absolutely toxic.
The whole club was toxic, but he didn't help himself.  And it was absolutely clear he was just waiting for his pay off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2022, 09:54:05 AM
Remi Garde took over one of the most toxic dressing rooms in Villa’s history
He had no chance from the start



This.

Agreed. On a hiding to nothing from the start.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2022, 09:54:41 AM
Dr Venglos anyone?

Right person, wrong time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 10:00:19 AM
Dr Venglos anyone?

Right person, wrong time.

Right person, wrong chairman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on June 30, 2022, 10:15:50 AM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on June 30, 2022, 10:20:47 AM
Remi Garde took over one of the most toxic dressing rooms in Villa’s history
He had no chance from the start



This.

Agreed. On a hiding to nothing from the start.

True but he’s done nothing since to suggest that he was up to managing in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2022, 10:26:34 AM
True. He still could have made more of a fist of it. I'm not sure even a great manager could have kept us up, but Remi wasn't a great manager.


He's a terrible manager, his subsequent managerial career has only gone on to prove that further.


There's very few ex-Villa managers you couldn't say that about. We do seem to break a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 10:34:59 AM
True. He still could have made more of a fist of it. I'm not sure even a great manager could have kept us up, but Remi wasn't a great manager.


He's a terrible manager, his subsequent managerial career has only gone on to prove that further.


There's very few ex-Villa managers you couldn't say that about. We do seem to break a lot.
Can only think of SGT - and we still got him back to make sure he finished his career on a low.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on June 30, 2022, 10:46:19 AM
The Villa job is a managers' graveyard full stop. Almost no one in our history has left to have an illustrious career elsewhere. I will happily be proven wrong, but I think the last one was Joe Mercer back in the 1960s and even he left us after suffering  a nervous breakdown. He did a great job at Man. City, but even now there are many people who will point to Malcolm Allison's coaching ability at the club as the main reason for their success.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 10:58:25 AM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on June 30, 2022, 11:01:37 AM
The Villa job is a managers' graveyard full stop. Almost no one in our history has left to have an illustrious career elsewhere. I will happily be proven wrong, but I think the last one was Joe Mercer back in the 1960s and even he left us after suffering  a nervous breakdown. He did a great job at Man. City, but even now there are many people who will point to Malcolm Allison's coaching ability at the club as the main reason for their success.
My theory with this is simply that Villa are in a very small group of clubs that are effectively impossible to 'move up' from.  A manager who's a success at Villa doesn't need to move up, because being a successful Villa manager necessarily means that you'd be consistently in the top 2 or 3 positions in the league and winning trophies.  Anything like finishing e.g. 5th season-on-season is not considered a success - see MON for details.

So the only way you make a success of Villa is to win things, and by winning things then any other move would be a move down.  Or you don't make a success of Villa, in which case no "big" club is going to give you a job because you've already tried (and failed) at the best opportunity you're ever going to get.  You've been given the reigns of the largest of all sleeping giants - a club with complete dominance (in terms of support) over one of the largest urban areas in the country, and for many miles in any direction past that - and failed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 11:08:41 AM
The only thing for a genuinely brilliant manager to do after having success with Villa is to move to their two arch rivals and relegate them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on June 30, 2022, 11:20:32 AM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

It takes a special kind of stupidity to make those appointments one after another (although at the time, maybe Lambert was forgivable given his CV up to then.) Taking on McLeish after he relegated Birmingham is still utterly baffling.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2022, 11:32:08 AM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

It's all very "tallest dwarf" stuff, but I wouldn't have have said that Bruce did any better with us than McLeish or Lambert did and the high points of their achievements elsewhere are probably superior to Bruce's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 11:32:14 AM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

It takes a special kind of stupidity to make those appointments one after another (although at the time, maybe Lambert was forgivable given his CV up to then.) Taking on McLeish after he relegated Birmingham is still utterly baffling.

Lambert and Bruce are the only two that made any sense at that time, never mind with hindsight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 30, 2022, 11:41:33 AM
As i posted the other day, Trez about to leave
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 30, 2022, 11:50:04 AM
As i posted the other day, Trez about to leave

Do you think El ghazi will go too?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2022, 11:56:01 AM
As i posted the other day, Trez about to leave

It was a bit obvious that he was going to go really.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on June 30, 2022, 12:08:45 PM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

It's all very "tallest dwarf" stuff, but I wouldn't have have said that Bruce did any better with us than McLeish or Lambert did and the high points of their achievements elsewhere are probably superior to Bruce's.
I think that's generous to Lambert. He had a bit of success with Wycombe and only has promotions with Norwich from League 1 and the Championship,  and never achieved anything else anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2022, 12:15:12 PM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

It's all very "tallest dwarf" stuff, but I wouldn't have have said that Bruce did any better with us than McLeish or Lambert did and the high points of their achievements elsewhere are probably superior to Bruce's.
I think that's generous to Lambert. He had a bit of success with Wycombe and only has promotions with Norwich from League 1 and the Championship,  and never achieved anything else anywhere.

I think you're doing his Norwich achievements a bit of a disservice. Taking them from the bottom of League One to 12th in the Premier League in three seasons is more impressive than anything the others have done*

They wouldn't be bouncing around the top of the Championship / Premier League relegation fodder today without what did for them.

*edit - in terms of expectation and resources. Obviously McLeish winning trophies and Di Matteo's Champions League medal are statistically more impressive.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2022, 12:18:43 PM
I think winning a proper trophy with the shite is a  major achievement. Taken on its own merits and ignoring the fact that he took them down the same season, of course.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 12:19:49 PM
The Villa job is a managers' graveyard full stop. Almost no one in our history has left to have an illustrious career elsewhere. I will happily be proven wrong, but I think the last one was Joe Mercer back in the 1960s and even he left us after suffering  a nervous breakdown. He did a great job at Man. City, but even now there are many people who will point to Malcolm Allison's coaching ability at the club as the main reason for their success.
My theory with this is simply that Villa are in a very small group of clubs that are effectively impossible to 'move up' from.  A manager who's a success at Villa doesn't need to move up, because being a successful Villa manager necessarily means that you'd be consistently in the top 2 or 3 positions in the league and winning trophies.  Anything like finishing e.g. 5th season-on-season is not considered a success - see MON for details.

So the only way you make a success of Villa is to win things, and by winning things then any other move would be a move down.  Or you don't make a success of Villa, in which case no "big" club is going to give you a job because you've already tried (and failed) at the best opportunity you're ever going to get.  You've been given the reigns of the largest of all sleeping giants - a club with complete dominance (in terms of support) over one of the largest urban areas in the country, and for many miles in any direction past that - and failed.
yeah 100% this
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2022, 12:27:03 PM
I think you're doing his Norwich achievements a bit of a disservice. Taking them from the bottom of League One to 12th in the Premier League in three seasons is more impressive than anything the others have done*

They wouldn't be bouncing around the top of the Championship / Premier League relegation fodder today without what did for them.

I completely agree with you there. Lambert was an exciting up and coming manager who played attacking football at Norwich. We sang his name at Carrow Road after all.

When he took over he tried playing exciting football, but he got lost fairly quickly and ended up in a massive rut of crapness. He should have won us the League Cup.  >:(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on June 30, 2022, 12:29:29 PM
Just read in "the Birmingham Mail" of our interest in Gomez from Liverpool £30 million+ fee, if it is correct would that mean that Mings is surplus to requirements?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2022, 12:31:35 PM
The Gomez thing has been swirling about for ages. Although I can see us getting a new CB if we shift one, I can't see us spending £30m on that position before we have reinforced the midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2022, 12:35:14 PM
I think winning a proper trophy with the shite is a  major achievement. Taken on its own merits and ignoring the fact that he took them down the same season, of course.

I agree. The main reason I bracketed him with Lambert as having superior achivements than Bruce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2022, 12:42:52 PM
Just read in "the Birmingham Mail" of our interest in Gomez from Liverpool £30 million+ fee, if it is correct would that mean that Mings is surplus to requirements?

Why Mings? Gomez plays on the right so Konsa would be the player in the most danger (assuming Chambers is safe after only joining this year).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2022, 12:43:44 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 01:38:45 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.
This, or a midfielder that is better than McGinn / Luiz
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2022, 01:49:02 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.

Agreed and I'd rather have Nathan Collins than Gomez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on June 30, 2022, 02:02:46 PM
Gomez is shite ...
Correct, and he seems injury-prone too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 02:03:01 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.

Agreed and I'd rather have Nathan Collins than Gomez.
I'd rather have Joan Collins then Gomez
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 30, 2022, 02:11:27 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.

Agreed and I'd rather have Nathan Collins than Gomez.
I'd rather have Joan Collins then Gomez

I wouldnt say he is shit , but he isnt better than anything we have and not for £30 mil
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on June 30, 2022, 02:42:25 PM
With 5 subs this season I can see why clubs would want to pad out as much as possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on June 30, 2022, 02:47:44 PM
I'm not even sure he was the right person... another terrible decision - waiting months for Houllier, appointing TSM, then TSM2, then Tactics and Garde to finish the list of the worst run of Villa managers in history...



A list:

McLeish
Lambert
Sherwood
Garde
Di Matteo
Bruce

I've left out pauliewalnuts best pal Eric Black as he was only a caretaker.

The list is bad enough in it's own right, but it's scary to think the best manager out of that lot is Bruce.

This is harsh on Garde, he inherited an absolute shambles. He turned up won a few asked the Board to back him in the transfer window, got knocked back then gave up. Sherwood is the worst manager in that lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on June 30, 2022, 03:04:39 PM
Paulo Dybala is a free agent, we should fackin' sign 'im up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on June 30, 2022, 03:12:51 PM
Rumours of Otavio from Porto on that there Twitter for 20m so that’s almost certainly bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on June 30, 2022, 03:18:20 PM
Rumours of Otavio from Porto on that there Twitter for 20m so that’s almost certainly bollocks.

Wouldn't that push Buendia out? We just got the guy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2022, 03:24:12 PM
Mark Kelly tells us to stay clear of Otavio, I trust him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 03:50:31 PM
I actually think Gomez is a decent player, but spending £30m on him right now would be utter madness.

It wasn't long ago a lot of us thought Konsa should be pushig an England place and we all think Mings should start ahead of Maguire.  Since then we've added Chambers and Carlos.  Our centre back department isn't perfect, but neither is it a problem that requires most of our remaining transfer budget throwing at.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 03:55:23 PM
Ive got a feeling will end up with Harry Winks

Just a hunch
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on June 30, 2022, 03:57:02 PM
No chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 03:58:22 PM
No chance.
Hope not - but you I guessed it hear first
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2022, 03:59:58 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.

Agreed and I'd rather have Nathan Collins than Gomez.

I'd rather have Joan Collins then Gomez

Not if it's Selena.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 04:17:08 PM
£55-60m sounds a lot for Richarlison, but even so I think Spurs have done great business in their last few windows.  They will be a serious force to be reckoned with next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 30, 2022, 04:18:27 PM
Only way we're signing Gomez is if we're playing with 3 centre halves IMO. And i can't see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on June 30, 2022, 04:56:26 PM
AAAAAAAAAAAAGH! Don't say it. Don't even think it!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2022, 05:12:41 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on June 30, 2022, 05:17:39 PM
Gomez is shite. We have loads of centre halves, go get somebody who scores millions of goals, please.
Now that Spurs have signed Richarlison Kane is going spare. Time for us to pounce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 30, 2022, 05:32:43 PM
Ive got a feeling will end up with Harry Winks

Just a hunch

Bloody hope not
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 05:33:16 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on June 30, 2022, 05:38:18 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.

When he’s not on his arse whingeing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2022, 05:38:30 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.

Not going to slate spurs as they have a good manager and some great players, along their front line in particular. But i think Richarlson is average and flatters to deceive. Different players, but for all the comments on here about his first touch, id much rather have Watkins.
Saying that i’d much rather be discussing another new and exciting signing for Villa rather thsn spurs signing Richarlson
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on June 30, 2022, 05:57:31 PM
I'd rather 'pounce' on Son than Kane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on June 30, 2022, 06:32:33 PM
Anyone heard anything about a free agent being shown around today?
Had a couple of people mention it today but I've not heard anything first hand so curious is anyone else has heard anything?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 06:36:28 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.

Not going to slate spurs as they have a good manager and some great players, along their front line in particular. But i think Richarlson is average and flatters to deceive. Different players, but for all the comments on here about his first touch, id much rather have Watkins.
Saying that i’d much rather be discussing another new and exciting signing for Villa rather thsn spurs signing Richarlson
Well quite, but I think keeping tabs on who other teams are signing and in particular the fees they are paying is pretty relevant to us. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2022, 06:51:00 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.

Not going to slate spurs as they have a good manager and some great players, along their front line in particular. But i think Richarlson is average and flatters to deceive. Different players, but for all the comments on here about his first touch, id much rather have Watkins.
Saying that i’d much rather be discussing another new and exciting signing for Villa rather thsn spurs signing Richarlson
Well quite, but I think keeping tabs on who other teams are signing and in particular the fees they are paying is pretty relevant to us.

True Chris. I suppose I’m just starting to get a bit twitchy as it feels were only a couple in the right positions away from having a squad capable of pushing for Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 08:09:30 PM
Richarlison... fairly underwhelming.
It's expensive, but seems like quite a smart move as he can cover right accross their front three.

Not going to slate spurs as they have a good manager and some great players, along their front line in particular. But i think Richarlson is average and flatters to deceive. Different players, but for all the comments on here about his first touch, id much rather have Watkins.
Saying that i’d much rather be discussing another new and exciting signing for Villa rather thsn spurs signing Richarlson
Well quite, but I think keeping tabs on who other teams are signing and in particular the fees they are paying is pretty relevant to us.

True Chris. I suppose I’m just starting to get a bit twitchy as it feels were only a couple in the right positions away from having a squad capable of pushing for Europe.
Yeah that does seem to be the sentiment with lots of Villa fans.  I think some of it was because we got some business done so early, with PC, Carlos and Kamara.  Plus we have increased the price of everything for fans so expectations are rightly raised.

But - on the face of it most of the team is untouched from the team that played our last game. 

Our defence is stronger with more depth, but I never thjought it was a big issue TBH.

The DM is hopefully much upgraded.  But the rest of midfield is as was and is overrielent on Ramsey continuing to develop and McGinn and / or luiz having their good games

Im still not convinced any of the the front line really works in the formations we were playing last season, but there is a shed load of talent there

I think there will be more in, but havent seen anyone we are linked with that massively excites me (but my european football knowledge is pretty rubbish).

I guess as things stand, we've got the two things that were missing from last season - a settled preseason with the (new) manager, and a DM that will hopefully go on to be world class
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2022, 08:14:45 PM
It's not even July yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 08:19:56 PM
It's not even July yet.
Yeah sorry, I wasnt suggesting we panic, they were more musings on where we are currently, and some suggestions on why there seems to be a slightly agitated state among Villa fans.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 30, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
It's not even July yet.
Yeah sorry, I wasnt suggesting we panice,

It's still early days, we should all just chill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on June 30, 2022, 09:07:56 PM
For me there were 3 absolute priorities, keep Coutinho, sign a proper DM and more broadly have 2 decent options in every position. Gerrard obviously saw anothe CB as essential as well.

The first 2 were sorted 4-5 weeks ago, along with the bonus one Gerrard wanted, all 3 adding real quality to the squad with players who probably should be in European competition for the season.

The broader one is mostly reliant on replacing players that leave, so LB is a priority because Targett has gone, CM is a priority because Sanson seems to be on his way and who knows what is happening with Luiz, RB might need a look if Guilbert doesn't come back and they don't see Kesler as ready, same up front with Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on June 30, 2022, 09:21:54 PM
I personally think a new CF should be a priority, particularly if were planning on playing to upfront next season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on June 30, 2022, 10:51:46 PM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2022, 10:57:55 PM
For me there were 3 absolute priorities, keep Coutinho, sign a proper DM and more broadly have 2 decent options in every position. Gerrard obviously saw anothe CB as essential as well.

The first 2 were sorted 4-5 weeks ago, along with the bonus one Gerrard wanted, all 3 adding real quality to the squad with players who probably should be in European competition for the season.

The broader one is mostly reliant on replacing players that leave, so LB is a priority because Targett has gone, CM is a priority because Sanson seems to be on his way and who knows what is happening with Luiz, RB might need a look if Guilbert doesn't come back and they don't see Kesler as ready, same up front with Archer.

Gerrard wants a full pre-season with Archer to assess whether he is ready or not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on June 30, 2022, 10:58:31 PM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front

Why do they have be based in the Premier League? Watkins isn't excellent, he's a decent striker let down massively by his first touch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2022, 10:58:49 PM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2022, 11:01:18 PM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front

Why do they have be based in the Premier League? Watkins isn't excellent, he's a decent striker let down massively by his first touch.

Watkins can be excellent on his day. Few and far between last season, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2022, 12:44:34 AM
For me there were 3 absolute priorities, keep Coutinho, sign a proper DM and more broadly have 2 decent options in every position. Gerrard obviously saw anothe CB as essential as well.

The first 2 were sorted 4-5 weeks ago, along with the bonus one Gerrard wanted, all 3 adding real quality to the squad with players who probably should be in European competition for the season.

The broader one is mostly reliant on replacing players that leave, so LB is a priority because Targett has gone, CM is a priority because Sanson seems to be on his way and who knows what is happening with Luiz, RB might need a look if Guilbert doesn't come back and they don't see Kesler as ready, same up front with Archer.

Gerrard wants a full pre-season with Archer to assess whether he is ready or not.

He is.

The only striker leaving should be Ings or Watkins, Archer is a keeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2022, 04:25:05 AM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front

Why do they have be based in the Premier League? Watkins isn't excellent, he's a decent striker let down massively by his first touch.
Spot on and  did Ings have a mediocre season because of his role his form or his age?
Let’s hope it was form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 05:05:11 AM
Watkins is let down by his speed of thought. You can often actually see the moment when his brain switches from thinking about controlling the ball to working out what to do with it.

Compare that to Buendia, where you can often see him look around and make a decision in expectation that he’s about to receive the ball. Burnley away for Ings goal is a great example of that if I remember right.

Often when Watkins has a chance he takes a touch he doesn’t need rather than shooting to give himself the time to decide what to do, and by then in the Prem the chance is either gone or reduced severely. He needs to trust his instincts more.

What is telling is his and Gerrard’s comments about needing to be a ‘killer’ in front of goal and the videos that have been posted on Twitter lately of him practicing his receiving of the ball and finishing with minimum touches. They’re focusing massively on this area of his game and with his work rate and the right coaching he’s capable of being a 20+ goal striker in the league next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2022, 06:41:14 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing?
I am pretty sure he will have been doing those drills all of his playing career, this stuff happens even at amateur level.
I am not convinced you can teach instinct.
Look at the difference between him and Archer even if Archer is playing at a different level, you can see he has it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on July 01, 2022, 06:53:45 AM
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The only striker leaving should be Ings or Watkins, Archer is a keeper.

He'll never get in above Martinez! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 07:03:09 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing?
I am pretty sure he will have been doing those drills all of his playing career, this stuff happens even at amateur level.
I am not convinced you can teach instinct.
Look at the difference between him and Archer even if Archer is playing at a different level, you can see he has it.

Yeah, there was me thinking he’d never done this before. God I’m thick! Sorry!  :P
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on July 01, 2022, 07:04:06 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing?
I am pretty sure he will have been doing those drills all of his playing career, this stuff happens even at amateur level.
I am not convinced you can teach instinct.
Look at the difference between him and Archer even if Archer is playing at a different level, you can see he has it.

I know.
Just like tennis players and golfers etc who train and train to hone their skills.
Bloody wasters these elite athletes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 01, 2022, 07:56:45 AM
I think the feeling must be we have a lot of quality up front and their finishing is bound to click next season.  It’s a bit of a leap of faith but I kind of agree.  We all know Watkins can be excellent and Ings is a top striker even if he didn’t entirely show it last season.  More to the point, who could we get that is better for a sensible fee AND would come to us?  I’m pretty sure there’s nobody based in the PL who would fit the bill.

So I suspect we’ll be going with what we have + Cam up front

Why do they have be based in the Premier League? Watkins isn't excellent, he's a decent striker let down massively by his first touch.

Watkins can be excellent on his day. Few and far between last season, though.
Yeah this is fair - I think Watkins struggled with the narrower, less direct, football we play under SG, so hopefully he can adjust with this pre-season and extra training
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 01, 2022, 08:04:46 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing?
I am pretty sure he will have been doing those drills all of his playing career, this stuff happens even at amateur level.
I am not convinced you can teach instinct.
Look at the difference between him and Archer even if Archer is playing at a different level, you can see he has it.
Yeah, but didnt he start as a wide man, so he would have been focusing on other skills more maybe?

You know, like is tight ball control, his excellent range of passing, and his..  Ah, I give up

Seriously, I think he is a good player - and his workrate and desire to improve will hopefully mean his form improves next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 01, 2022, 08:12:31 AM
Personally, I'd not be massively concerned if we went in to next season with Ings-Watkins-Archer. Think Watkins-Ings problems could easily be put down to a combination of a change of playing style and getting used to playing together.

If Gerrard thinks Archer is ready, or close to, then I'd be happy to make sure the lad got the best chance we could give him. He looks a terrific talent.

Obviously if there's a world class striker waiting in the wings, we should absolutely take them. Neither Watkins nor Ings are exactly causing a bum fight between the Scab 6 for their services. But personally I think they're both good enough to get us in to Europe, and qualifying for that'd give us more options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 01, 2022, 08:17:08 AM
Personally, I'd not be massively concerned if we went in to next season with Ings-Watkins-Archer. Think Watkins-Ings problems could easily be put down to a combination of a change of playing style and getting used to playing together.

If Gerrard thinks Archer is ready, or close to, then I'd be happy to make sure the lad got the best chance we could give him. He looks a terrific talent.

Obviously if there's a world class striker waiting in the wings, we should absolutely take them. Neither Watkins nor Ings are exactly causing a bum fight between the Scab 6 for their services. But personally I think they're both good enough to get us in to Europe, and qualifying for that'd give us more options.

If it comes to a bum fight my money would be on Conte.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2022, 08:19:14 AM
Personally, I'd not be massively concerned if we went in to next season with Ings-Watkins-Archer.
I really hope he does not persist with playing Ings and Watkins together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2022, 08:23:08 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing

Professional sportsman practices to get better at what he does. I'm shocked it's not been thought of before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2022, 08:25:50 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing

Professional sportsman practices to get better at what he does. I'm shocked it's not been thought of before.
We will be practicing free kicks and corners soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2022, 08:27:16 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing

Professional sportsman practices to get better at what he does. I'm shocked it's not been thought of before.
We will be practicing free kicks and corners soon.

So we should, it's called practice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 01, 2022, 08:29:17 AM
So a 26 year old centre forward is now practicing finishing

Professional sportsman practices to get better at what he does. I'm shocked it's not been thought of before.
We will be practicing free kicks and corners soon.

So we should, it's called practice.
Shit, is that where we were going wrong for the last decade or so?

Bollocks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 01, 2022, 08:31:40 AM
All this stuff about players being 'last off the training pitch' has actually been slagging them off. Like, come on little Phil everyone else is done by half 10, why are you still hanging about at 2pm? Don't you have a home to go to?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 01, 2022, 08:38:58 AM
All this stuff about players being 'last off the training pitch' has actually been slagging them off. Like, come on little Phil everyone else is done by half 10, why are you still hanging about at 2pm? Don't you have a home to go to?
Yeah it’s like when I’m at the driving range and think - I’ll go when I hit 3 good drives in a row.

That normally ends with staff asking me to leave too
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 08:40:32 AM
I think Watkins and Ings definitely improved toward the end of the season, and they seem to get on which can be an issue with ego strikers to the detriment of the team.

Ollie got 4 goals and 1 assist in his last 10 league matches, Ings got 2 goals and 2 assists in his last ten appearances. Taking into account Ings has rarely played the full 90 in that period, it means;


That suggests that with the right setup, a more settled team this season, and the right coaching, we have two players who are capable of a goal contribution every other game. So the question is do we gamble a massive amount of money bringing in a proven striker ( assuming we can convince them to join us ) or do we put faith that we can get that performance out of them for a whole season and use those funds to strengthen elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 01, 2022, 08:47:05 AM
Watkins can practice all he likes, but neither him or Ings for that matter have shown the quality to take us where we want to be, that is if the club have any aspirations of making the top 6 next season.

I fear that hoping a kid can step up to the plate if both Watkins and Ings are shooting blanks is a massive risk and ultimately, I believe not strengthening this particular area could cost Gerrard his job.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 01, 2022, 08:56:22 AM
I wouldn’t be against selling Watkins or Ings but quite where we get a proven improvement that is willing to join I’m not sure?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 08:57:57 AM
Well, last season we scored 54 goals. The highest of anyone outside the top 8. Arsenal and Man U, in 5th and 6th, scored 61 and 57 respectively.

Our goal scoring wasn't fantastic, but we were more let down by our inability to hold onto a lead and the amount of goals we conceded, particularly those 'gifted' to the opposition. Improvements to the defence and game management will have us moving up the table even with our existing strikers.

I'm all for putting the ball into the back of the net more often, but it's going to cost serious amounts of money and will have a big impact on FFP and our ability to strengthen other areas. I'd love us to go out and get a proper clinical goal-getter, but I can see why it's sensible to go with what we have. Another £30m striker isn't going to add much, we'd have to spend £70m+ and any player commanding those fees have better options than a team that finished 14th last season. That means you're going to break the bank on wages to even get them to the table, and it's still going to be a hard sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 10:02:35 AM
Well, last season we scored 54 goals. The highest of anyone outside the top 8. Arsenal and Man U, in 5th and 6th, scored 61 and 57 respectively.

Our goal scoring wasn't fantastic, but we were more let down by our inability to hold onto a lead and the amount of goals we conceded, particularly those 'gifted' to the opposition. Improvements to the defence and game management will have us moving up the table even with our existing strikers.

I'm all for putting the ball into the back of the net more often, but it's going to cost serious amounts of money and will have a big impact on FFP and our ability to strengthen other areas. I'd love us to go out and get a proper clinical goal-getter, but I can see why it's sensible to go with what we have. Another £30m striker isn't going to add much, we'd have to spend £70m+ and any player commanding those fees have better options than a team that finished 14th last season. That means you're going to break the bank on wages to even get them to the table, and it's still going to be a hard sell.

Ings is the problem for me. I like him as a player but he doesn't fit into a team that plays one up front so, to get him games, we have to play a front 2 and that forces one of Coutinho or Buendia out of the team and makes our whole front 3 easier to mark. On top of that he was a bit of a 'flat track bully' last season with is goals and assists almost all against the weaker teams (his only goal contribution against a top half team was against wolves in the game that started Smith's spiral. That's partially down to us just not playing very well against top half teams last year it was noticeable that he went missing in a number of those games.


It isn't about goals (directly) for me, I think this team has plenty of goals in it, but it's about getting options in that let us control tempo and territory, last year we really struggled to dictate play in most games because teams knew that if we went long they had a decent chance of winning possession back so they could press hard on our defence. If we can stop that by giving them something more to worry about we'll get more time on the ball to play in midfield. I think this is why Gerrard was playing Bailey even though he was clearly struggling for form and fitness, he was hoping it gave us more threat running in behind teams to pin their defenders deep. It didn't work because he wasn't fully fit and didn't have the extra yard of pace you need to do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 10:16:54 AM
Yeah, if you are playing one up front you need someone who contributes an all round game, constantly looking for the ball, holding it up and bringing others into play, while remaining an active goal threat. Watkins was one of the best in the league at that the season before last, and I'm not so keen to write him off as others are. Our game doesn't suit Ings up front on his own and I want to see the Philendia combination starting most games so Ings should be competing with Archer for first choice as impact sub, not in the starting lineup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2022, 11:01:25 AM
Philendia! Inspired.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2022, 11:22:10 AM
I think this is why Gerrard was playing Bailey even though he was clearly struggling for form and fitness, he was hoping it gave us more threat running in behind teams to pin their defenders deep. It didn't work because he wasn't fully fit and didn't have the extra yard of pace you need to do it.

Presumably he didn't have the pace because he was still coming back from injury as he's probably the fastest player in the squad when he is.

I keep seeing us being linked with Jonathan David and he is expected to come to the Premier League this summer, so we'll see what happens there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 11:24:59 AM
I think this is why Gerrard was playing Bailey even though he was clearly struggling for form and fitness, he was hoping it gave us more threat running in behind teams to pin their defenders deep. It didn't work because he wasn't fully fit and didn't have the extra yard of pace you need to do it.

Presumably he didn't have the pace because he was still coming back from injury as he's probably the fastest player in the squad when he is.

I keep seeing us being linked with Jonathan David and he is expected to come to the Premier League this summer, so we'll see what happens there.

Yeah, absolutely, I did mean to link him not being fully fit to him being down on his pace. Jonathan David would be decent but would still mean our threats were all the 'in behind' type rather than the bullying type that I think would be useful. The problem is there aren't a huge amount of top quality hold-up players around right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 01, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
Lies. damned lies and statistics etc but I'm sure I seen a stat at the end of the season that had us on par with Citeh and a few others of that ilk with overall chance conversion.

I was surprised at that, but it suggests that Watkins, who by his own admission wasn't fully at it last year didn't do too badly.

He was involved with England just prior to the Euros and - in the Covid summer before that - his campaign ran longer than most as Brentford won the Play Offs.  He's one of a couple of players (Mings, McGinn) who might look sharper following their first real extended break since 2019.

Still hope we'll be in the market for a different option up top, mind. A young Benteke would be ideal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2022, 11:32:33 AM
Kalinic has finally gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2022, 12:06:45 PM
Everton might now buy Dennis with their Richarlison money, which might lead to Watford buying Keinan Davis for £15m.

If nothing, it shows the possible knock-on effects of one deal and how the transfer market machinery could start cranking up as more players return to pre-season training.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2022, 12:15:46 PM
Kalinic has been permanently transfered to Hadjuk Split according to the official site. No mention of a fee, so guess that goes down as an FFP loss but less wages going out might leave that neutral.

Has to be one of our worst signings of recent years. Chunky transfer fee, five year contract and deemed not good enough within weeks of arriving.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 01, 2022, 12:22:59 PM
He never got an opportunity, did he?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 12:25:26 PM
Seems to be more and more noise about Otavio being fueled by Portuguese press. Looking at his game I think I can see the thinking behind it, we'd be signing him as a centre mid not a right winger but doing the job McGinn was asked to do last year of sitting a little deeper on the right of a 3 and covering behind Cash when he gets forward but also trying to spread play himself. I've only seen highlights but he does look a good fit for that job.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2022, 12:25:45 PM
He never got an opportunity, did he?

Swansea at home in the cup, lost 3-0 and he was awful. Jed got the shirt and we got promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 12:27:41 PM
He never got an opportunity, did he?

8 appearances and conceded 15 goals, in the championship. Purely on the stats it's hard to justify giving him any more time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 01, 2022, 12:27:56 PM
I have no recollection of that, thankfully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 01, 2022, 12:30:17 PM
Away at Wigan he was dismal. LeeB's description of him getting down to shots with the speed of a chimney stack being demolished was spot on.  He looked like an old man gingerly lowering himself into a bath that's a bit too hot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 01, 2022, 12:41:21 PM
Seems to be more and more noise about Otavio being fueled by Portuguese press. Looking at his game I think I can see the thinking behind it, we'd be signing him as a centre mid not a right winger but doing the job McGinn was asked to do last year of sitting a little deeper on the right of a 3 and covering behind Cash when he gets forward but also trying to spread play himself. I've only seen highlights but he does look a good fit for that job.

Looking at his show reel he looks decent but for £30m i think he is too similiar to either Phil or Emi and both i would consider better.

Can we not have a big bruising bastard in the middle of the park who can terrorise the opposition midfielders and create space for Phil / Buendia to damage the opposition
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2022, 12:51:53 PM
Seems to be more and more noise about Otavio being fueled by Portuguese press. Looking at his game I think I can see the thinking behind it, we'd be signing him as a centre mid not a right winger but doing the job McGinn was asked to do last year of sitting a little deeper on the right of a 3 and covering behind Cash when he gets forward but also trying to spread play himself. I've only seen highlights but he does look a good fit for that job.

Looking at his show reel he looks decent but for £30m i think he is too similiar to either Phil or Emi and both i would consider better.

Can we not have a big bruising bastard in the middle of the park who can terrorise the opposition midfielders and create space for Phil / Buendia to damage the opposition

Soucek would be ideal for that.

I think we are almost certainly going for another central midfielder as soon as either Sanson or Luiz are sold. If we sell both and El Ghazi or Traore then I can see us buying two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
Someone posted Soucek's stats on twitter and they were less than impressive. Surprised Ms as I'd thought of him as a quality player but they were not inspiring for a team looking to dominate the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2022, 01:24:33 PM
Seems to be more and more noise about Otavio being fueled by Portuguese press. Looking at his game I think I can see the thinking behind it, we'd be signing him as a centre mid not a right winger but doing the job McGinn was asked to do last year of sitting a little deeper on the right of a 3 and covering behind Cash when he gets forward but also trying to spread play himself. I've only seen highlights but he does look a good fit for that job.

Looking at his show reel he looks decent but for £30m i think he is too similiar to either Phil or Emi and both i would consider better.

Can we not have a big bruising bastard in the middle of the park who can terrorise the opposition midfielders and create space for Phil / Buendia to damage the opposition

Yep, agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on July 01, 2022, 01:26:32 PM
Our passing has been a huge problem ever since we came back up. All our issues, both attacking and defensive wise stem from that issue.
God knows how many goals we’ve given away in the last 3 seasons by gifting the opposition the ball close to our box but it has to be quite a few. If we get a ball playing central midfielder in I think we’ll have a better chance at controlling games with less emphasis on the long ball.
Personally I’d like to keep Watkins with Ings as back up, unless the owners have a plan to spend a huge amount on a proven replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2022, 02:15:38 PM
Stick with Sanson, put the Otavio money elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2022, 02:46:21 PM
We still seem to be being linked with central defenders a lot. Gomez, Bassey, Romagnoli, and Collins all linked since we bought Carlos.

Is it possible Mings is unsettled, or doesn't want to spend any time on the bench? Can't see us buying another central defender without one going anway.

edit - also been linked with Nathan Ake this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 01, 2022, 02:49:06 PM
We still seem to be being linked with central defenders a lot. Gomez, Bassey, Romagnoli, and Collins all linked since we bought Carlos.

Is it possible Mings is unsettled, or doesn't want to spend any time on the bench? Can't see us buying another central defender without one going anway.


Maybe we can’t risk it with Konsa being out for sometime (isn’t he?)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 01, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
Stick with Sanson, put the Otavio money elsewhere.

but there must be a reason why our management haven’t used him more (apart from his obvious injury periods). I imagine he may be on the shift out list.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 01, 2022, 03:01:40 PM
If not then Lautaro Martinez. 24 years old, Inter Milan. Would be pricey but Inter want Lukaku back and this would help finance that deal.

Anyone follow that @Villa_1_8_7_4 account on Twitter? Has got a lot right in the past if you look at his feed. Anyway according to him we are actually interested in Martinez. Lukaku has gone to Inter now so maybe this really could happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 01, 2022, 03:03:41 PM
We still seem to be being linked with central defenders a lot. Gomez, Bassey, Romagnoli, and Collins all linked since we bought Carlos.

Is it possible Mings is unsettled, or doesn't want to spend any time on the bench? Can't see us buying another central defender without one going anway.


Maybe we can’t risk it with Konsa being out for sometime (isn’t he?)

Carlos, Mings, Konsa, Hause, Chambers is a lot of central defenders even with one injured. I do think Hause will go, but if we bring in another then you think Mings or Konsa are on the way out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on July 01, 2022, 04:10:07 PM
I just hope that this doesn’t turn out to be one of those windows where we make a quick signing and then nothing else materialises.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on July 01, 2022, 04:18:37 PM
Rumours about Loftus-Cheek from Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2022, 04:21:43 PM
If not then Lautaro Martinez. 24 years old, Inter Milan. Would be pricey but Inter want Lukaku back and this would help finance that deal.

Anyone follow that @Villa_1_8_7_4 account on Twitter? Has got a lot right in the past if you look at his feed. Anyway according to him we are actually interested in Martinez. Lukaku has gone to Inter now so maybe this really could happen?

That would be a ridiculous signing, and would 100% fit cdbearsfan's criteria.

Won't happen but still.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 01, 2022, 04:22:09 PM
Rumours about Loftus-Cheek from Chelsea.

Let's hope it's this then....!

I just hope that this doesn’t turn out to be one of those windows where we make a quick signing and then nothing else materialises.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 01, 2022, 04:24:56 PM
I staked my displeasure at the rumours of signing another flatters-to-deceive midfielder from Chelsea a while back, and about two hours later he'd signed, so I'm going to shut my mouth this time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on July 01, 2022, 04:26:26 PM
That would be a real meh signing in my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2022, 04:45:05 PM
We'll have to cross Salah off the list, he's signed a new contract.....sigh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 01, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
Martinez - fuck yes
Loft Arse Cheek - hell no
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 04:58:02 PM
Correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 05:08:14 PM
Martinez is being sillly, he doesn't want to leave and is being talked about up near the £100m region and we're not spending that sort of money.

Loftus-Cheek is a strange one, he looked a really good player about 6-7 years ago but he has had so many injuries that I just can't see him ever being the player he could've been. Aside from that, despite a year or 2 without anything major I still wouldn't trust him to stay fit. On that basis I just don't see the point, even if it was a pretty low fee.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2022, 05:11:28 PM
RLC had a much better season last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2022, 05:12:31 PM
Loftus-Cheek is not a bad player at all. Not sure where he would fit in though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 01, 2022, 05:16:37 PM
Sangare is still the best option I've seen linked, I reckon he'll be brilliant in this league (and I fully expect him to sign for a premier league club soon).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 05:16:59 PM
No thanks to Barkley Loftus-Road. Martinez is more like it. He sounds fancy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 01, 2022, 05:23:12 PM
Two Emis and two Martinezes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2022, 05:30:40 PM
Two Emis and two Martinezes.

As long as we don't end up with Roberto.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 01, 2022, 05:36:51 PM
The other one mentioned was Rodrigo De Paul.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 05:42:22 PM
He sounds good, too. More fancy signings, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 01, 2022, 05:56:32 PM
Lovre Kalinic probably sounded fancy at one point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 01, 2022, 05:58:21 PM
In reply to Hookey and Paule..
Nothing in the Portuguese press other than reporting on what's been written in the English press.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 01, 2022, 06:08:27 PM
Lovre Kalinic probably sounded fancy at one point.

When we were treading, or, more often, drowning in, water under a succession of has been, never were and outright chancer "managers", I'd have probably got excited if Lee Cattermole or Kemar Roofe had flashed a bit of ankle in our direction.

We've signed Coutinho, now, though. I've come to expect a higher calibre of fanciness.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 01, 2022, 06:21:20 PM
Loftus-Cheek is not a bad player at all. Not sure where he would fit in though.
Played well at CP 2-3 years' ago; looked awful at Fulham on loan and has had a mixed season last time out.
I'm hoping his boat has sailed; don't see what he'd add to our squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 01, 2022, 06:33:40 PM
There is definitely a player in Loftus-Cheek but he needs to go somewhere he’ll play week in week out to prove it like Barkley, both massive earners without having done a lot to earn it….hopefully we are past the stage of testing players out for others though.

Left back - wouldn’t be against that being a loan deal to be deputy for Digne if it allows Chrisene out on loan IF Gerrard and co believe Chrisene can step up 23/24 season.

MF - big, athletic and good ball player who chips in with a few goals…plenty of those around aren’t there :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 01, 2022, 07:46:52 PM
We still seem to be being linked with central defenders a lot. Gomez, Bassey, Romagnoli, and Collins all linked since we bought Carlos.

Is it possible Mings is unsettled, or doesn't want to spend any time on the bench? Can't see us buying another central defender without one going anway.


Maybe we can’t risk it with Konsa being out for sometime (isn’t he?)

Carlos, Mings, Konsa, Hause, Chambers is a lot of central defenders even with one injured. I do think Hause will go, but if we bring in another then you think Mings or Konsa are on the way out.

Hause has just had a knee operation too
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2022, 08:02:09 PM

MF - big, athletic and good ball player who chips in with a few goals…plenty of those around aren’t there :-)

Ruben Loftus Cheek then? I’d say he’s all of those things, if only he could stop fit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 01, 2022, 08:05:10 PM
The other one mentioned was Rodrigo De Paul.

I’m sure our Argentinian contingent could have a word. Not sure what he’s been like at  Athletico but as far as I know he’s a midfield all rounder who was highly regarded at Udinese and plays most games for Argentina.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on July 01, 2022, 08:25:02 PM
RLC ? For flecks sake.
A half decent player whose reputation far outweighs what he’s actually done.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 01, 2022, 11:30:02 PM


How about this guy....he looks good
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 01, 2022, 11:48:30 PM
Just a little.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on July 02, 2022, 01:12:02 AM
The other one mentioned was Rodrigo De Paul.

No, honestly...de Paul would be Rock Bottom
[sorry]
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 02, 2022, 08:12:20 AM
The other one mentioned was Rodrigo De Paul.

No, honestly...de Paul would be Rock Bottom
[sorry]

See what you did there
(But you’ve got to be old to know)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 09:01:00 AM
The likes of RDP and Martinez would be more than amazing, but they won't be happening without Champions League football.


I'm not saying Harry Winks is the overall answer, but as a realistic target with Champions League, European football, international and Premier League experience, he's a great fit and suited to what Gerrard wants to play in our midfield. Winks is a competitive and very neat footballer who has footy intelligence and very neat ball player.

Don't be surprised if we go back in for him and, having failed to sign him last summer due to the £40m price tag, if we can get him half and keep Chukwuemeka whilst moving out Sanson, then I think that's realistic to where we are.


If you look at Carlos and Kamara, they were gettable and Winks is in that bracket, better suited than RLC and cheaper and more proven than Gallagher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2022, 09:10:30 AM
Errr, no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 02, 2022, 09:18:35 AM
Winks or RLC aren’t the answer

IMHO
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on July 02, 2022, 09:31:46 AM
I should hope Winks is not the answer hes not even close to being the answer.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 09:33:39 AM
On Winks
Player of that ilk rather than definitive answer.
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.
Just saying don't be surprised as players like Phillips, Bissouma weren't interested so have to be savvy in moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 02, 2022, 09:38:18 AM
Winks or RLC aren’t the answer

IMHO

Depends on the question, I suppose. If it's "who would be massively underwhelming signings?", then they'd both be correct.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 02, 2022, 09:47:32 AM
Winks: no.

To be honest, I think we're nearly done with players coming in. I'm not sure we need any more defenders if Ashley Young is staying. Maybe a like-for-like replacement for Sanson if we manage to shift him or Dougie.

Possibly an amazing centre forward if ones available, but to be honest I'm not sure we'll find a big enough upgrade on either Ings or Watkins that'd justify either the disruption or potentially stunting Archer's progress.

If we think we're going to play 2 strikers often enough that it's worth paying £30m+ on a bench player, I think Archer would get enough games for us that there's no point in him going on loan to "prove" himself. He's outgrown the Championship already, perfectly fine being our 3rd choice striker if he's likely to get a dozen or so starts - and I wouldn't spend big money on a striker who wasnt going to start a dozen matches. May as well keep Keinan about for another season if we're doing that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on July 02, 2022, 09:55:07 AM
On Winks
Player of that ilk rather than definitive answer.
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.
Just saying don't be surprised as players like Phillips, Bissouma weren't interested so have to be savvy in moves.


Sorry Its still a no from me. Chambers was a decent move at the time, we were desperate for cover and he could cover 3 positions if needed.
Sadly were not able to compete with Man City just yet and just because we didn't sign Bissouma it doesn't mean we have to go around looking for the cast off type of player that Spurs want to get rid of.

We just signed Philippe Coutinho we don't have to make do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on July 02, 2022, 10:14:39 AM
If winks is being touted at £40m I despair.
Yes, transfer values are ridiculously stupid and until recently I thought that £25m is the new £5m.

But this suggests that £40m would be the new £5m. That’s just beyond mad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
Its all gone quiet with Keinan, Forest are being linked with/have signed other attackers. I hope we're not pricing him out of a move as I really don't see him getting the game time with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2022, 10:17:19 AM
Chambers was a very good move, especially on a free transfer. No to Winks, he'll probably drift down into the championship at some point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2022, 10:22:11 AM
Winks at a daft price is the textbook Everton signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2022, 10:32:48 AM
My problem with Winks is that I don't know what he's supposed to be good at, he doesn't score, he doesn't create, he doesn't read play well or tackle well. I guess his passing is decent but is that really enough to be a top half player?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 02, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
The other one mentioned was Rodrigo De Paul.

No, honestly...de Paul would be Rock Bottom
[sorry]

See what you did there
(But you’ve got to be old to know)

Ooh I do, even us youngsters were aware of her charms, but the LdP punathon was done a few months back. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 02, 2022, 10:36:58 AM
My problem with Winks is that I don't know what he's supposed to be good at, he doesn't score, he doesn't create, he doesn't read play well or tackle well.

He'll fit in perfectly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 02, 2022, 10:41:40 AM
My problem with Winks is that I don't know what he's supposed to be good at, he doesn't score, he doesn't create, he doesn't read play well or tackle well. I guess his passing is decent but is that really enough to be a top half player?

English version of Douglas Luiz.

Winks, Loftus-Cheek and Oxlade-Chamberlain are all players that woud be OK signings to add competition if on low fees (<£10m) and happy to be on the bench and wait for a chance. If one of them replaced Sanson or Luiz for a net FFP gain then it is OK business just like Chambers was a good signing at the price.

I would be apoplectic if we spent £40m on that kind of player ad a marquee signing though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 02, 2022, 10:43:59 AM
My problem with Winks is that I don't know what he's supposed to be good at, he doesn't score, he doesn't create, he doesn't read play well or tackle well. I guess his passing is decent but is that really enough to be a top half player?

Exactly. And we've already got Luiz who doesn't do all of those things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 02, 2022, 10:44:29 AM
It may be tenuous but I have a bit of faith that the current owners and management regime aspire to something more enhancing than Harry Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 02, 2022, 10:45:37 AM
It may be tenuous but I have a bit of faith that the current owners and management regime aspire to something more enhancing than Harry Winks.

He could be the replacement for Mark Kinsella that we've been crying out for
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 02, 2022, 10:50:07 AM
It may be tenuous but I have a bit of faith that the current owners and management regime aspire to something more enhancing than Harry Winks.

He could be the replacement for Mark Kinsella that we've been crying out for

Or Ashley Westwood.

No thanks to Winks, rather make doo with what we’ve got. As an earlier poster said, a classic Everton of the last 5 years, signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 02, 2022, 10:54:44 AM
Harry Winks is a signing we could have made under Dean Smith. One of the advantages of having Gerrard is his reputation opens up the possibility of signing players of a calibre Smith couldn’t attract.

We have to take advantage of that ability (before we ruin his reputation for him!).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 02, 2022, 11:08:44 AM
It may be tenuous but I have a bit of faith that the current owners and management regime aspire to something more enhancing than Harry Winks.

He could be the replacement for Mark Kinsella that we've been crying out for
that was Tom Carroll
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 02, 2022, 11:47:13 AM

If you look at Carlos and Kamara, they were gettable and Winks is in that bracket, better suited than RLC and cheaper and more proven than Gallagher.

Winks is certainly gettable, I don’t want either but RLC is twice the player.
Gallagher has done more in 2 seasons than Winks has since he broke into the Spurs team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 12:08:43 PM
Winks was 40m last summer; now he's around half that and at 26, he still harbours ambitions to play at England level.

If other listed targets aren't bought, this sort of move would be made.
 He would expect to be a first team starter, which shows his mindset, but if that is his wish, then he can go to Fulham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 02, 2022, 12:41:59 PM
Since Gerrard has been in charge, we haven't signed a single duff player.  Harry Winks is a duff player.  He's not coming to Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2022, 01:00:27 PM
On Winks
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.

Errrrrr. No
I didn’t moan about Chambers and I don’t recall a single person doing so. He came in for £3m as a permanent signing replacing Tuenzebe on loan in the squad and was competition for Konsa, so a good signing at the time. And since then he’s now looking a very good signing with generally very good performances.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 02, 2022, 01:11:16 PM
On Winks
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.

Errrrrr. No
I didn’t moan about Chambers and I don’t recall a single person doing so. He came in for £3m as a permanent signing replacing Tuenzebe on loan in the squad and was competition for Konsa, so a good signing at the time. And since then he’s now looking a very good signing with generally very good performances.

Better than that, he was a free transfer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
I thought it was undisclosed but rumoured to be £3m or so, but could be wrong and either way looks a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2022, 01:44:12 PM
Not sure about that. His contract was up this summer and Arsenal weren't using him. I thought they just allowed him to move on a free.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 02, 2022, 01:46:41 PM
Hickey off to Brentford so he can be crossed off the list
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 02, 2022, 01:50:36 PM
Hickey off to Brentford so he can be crossed off the list

Cool, we can just buy him from them next summer for a gazillion pounds instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 01:58:12 PM
On Winks
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.

Errrrrr. No
I didn’t moan about Chambers and I don’t recall a single person doing so. He came in for £3m as a permanent signing replacing Tuenzebe on loan in the squad and was competition for Konsa, so a good signing at the time. And since then he’s now looking a very good signing with generally very good performances.
Yes, however
I don't remember anyone linking him.
And nobody did.

What I'm saying is that if he was linked in the winter window after Coutinho and Digne, there would have been people underwhelmed with such a suggestion.
Villa make opportunist moves at times and we can expect another one in this window. We could certainly see that action between Wednesday and Friday of next week before the squad fly off to Australia.
Flying players out to Australia for the Man Utd game is an option, but here's hoping we don't have to do that with more than one player!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jimsta on July 02, 2022, 02:01:34 PM
Hickey off to Brentford so he can be crossed off the list

Cool, we can just buy him from them next summer for a gazillion pounds instead.
Yes we love doing the Luke Young.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 02:05:56 PM
I think everyone is expecting  signing or two before pre season flight out to Australia and the training matches over there
Gerrard wants players integrated into the squad.

If we don't then opportunitisic moves for domestic players become even stronger possibilities due to the ease to fit and settle into playing in England and prem.

I see signings incoming next week and won't be alone in this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2022, 02:31:53 PM
At the start of the summer, Gerrard said that he thought it would take until the end of pre-season to finish building the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on July 02, 2022, 02:36:51 PM
Winks is shit, he can piss off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2022, 02:41:07 PM
Winks is shit, he can piss off.
Nothing else to add your honour.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 03:16:43 PM
At the start of the summer, Gerrard said that he thought it would take until the end of pre-season to finish building the squad.
Actually the new players are hoped to be in place before pre season to be able to implement the style .

 "we're hoping that by the end of preseason, it looks more like a Steven Gerrard Aston Villa team."
 
"We've tried to implement a style and identity which is a work in progress. 
I want to use this stage now to try and recruit really well and then take that to a full pre-season with the group."

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 02, 2022, 03:24:20 PM
Winks is shit, he can piss off.
Nothing else to add your honour.

He has nothing to add to our team either…it’s a no from me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 03:29:48 PM
Winks is shit, he can piss off.
Nothing else to add your honour.

He has nothing to add to our team either…it’s a no from me
Gerrards analysed the squad after 6 months and his conclusion at the end of the season was thus (and in regards to recruitment)

"There are areas of the team where we are blessed and lucky to have some top talent but there are also areas where we believe we can get stronger and better. I think the spine of the team needs some support

We have got enough volume here. We have got enough bodies here. I don't need quantity. I am looking for upgrades in certain areas of the team, who will naturally make the squad better."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on July 02, 2022, 03:32:22 PM
Winks is the type of player Spurs would offer as part of a 'cash plus player' deal.  Something like Winks plus £5m (to them) for Coutinho.  And Buendia. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2022, 03:36:41 PM
I would have Winks ahead of Nakamba as a footballer
That's a upgrade.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2022, 03:37:29 PM
Thats some high praise.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 02, 2022, 04:07:31 PM
I would have Winks ahead of Nakamba as a footballer
That's a upgrade.

That’s like saying you prefer a spark plug to a piston. Not the same player positions at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2022, 04:19:35 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 02, 2022, 04:24:57 PM
Winks is a no from me.

Remember when Lambert said we need players in the bracket of Lewis Holtby  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2022, 04:27:43 PM
On Winks
I think people would have moaned if we were being linked with Chambers for a centre back competitior.

Errrrrr. No
I didn’t moan about Chambers and I don’t recall a single person doing so. He came in for £3m as a permanent signing replacing Tuenzebe on loan in the squad and was competition for Konsa, so a good signing at the time. And since then he’s now looking a very good signing with generally very good performances.

What I'm saying is a load of bollocks

Yes, on the whole I’d say it is, but I thought I’d read something about Gerrard wanting players in before pre season, which would make sense so I agree with you there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 02, 2022, 04:35:14 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.
Yas!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 02, 2022, 05:18:28 PM
Winks is fucking shite. He can fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 02, 2022, 05:19:36 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.

You’re Joshing aren’t you?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 02, 2022, 06:32:24 PM


I forgot how good he can be but he is a winger (in a team that does not play wingers) time will tell if he can play as a number ten. Plus will he get ahead of our other number tens?

and no it's not like having a new signing......lets see what happens in pre-season

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 02, 2022, 07:02:42 PM


I forgot how good he can be but he is a winger (in a team that does not play wingers) time will tell if he can play as a number ten. Plus will he get ahead of our other number tens?

and no it's not like having a new signing......lets see what happens in pre-season



Having his running and skill coming at you from a more central '10' position, especially with tiring legs could be scary for opposition. It's just keeping him fit and letting him find some form. Great option for counter attacking tactics.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: avfc_1874 on July 02, 2022, 07:29:00 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.

You’re Joshing aren’t you?

Don't laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 02, 2022, 07:41:59 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.

Is he being picked on or are people just disagreeing with him over Winks being someone we should consider?

I would have Winks ahead of Nakamba as a footballer
That's a upgrade.

I agree with the first line but disagree with the conclusion. Winks is a better all round footballer than Nakamba, I think that's objectively true but Nakamba works harder and tackles better, which makes him a better player as a backup DM who only comes in as injury cover or to add a bit of extra bite. I don't see any scenario where you'd look at Winks on the bench and think he could change the game for you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 02, 2022, 07:54:20 PM
I see it as being debated, not being picked on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 02, 2022, 07:59:41 PM
I suspect the suggestion was not altogether serious.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 02, 2022, 08:00:06 PM
Winks would be an upgrade on somebody like Ashley Westwood but not anybody we currently have on the books.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2022, 08:03:47 PM
No Winks is the archetypal English midfielder who comes through, can pass a bit and gets completely overhyped. He hasn’t kicked on at all - he’s the type of player who ends up at Southampton and plays his career out being pretty average.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 02, 2022, 08:15:55 PM
Whoever compared him to Tom Caroll had it right. He's shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 02, 2022, 08:26:39 PM


I forgot how good he can be but he is a winger (in a team that does not play wingers) time will tell if he can play as a number ten. Plus will he get ahead of our other number tens?

and no it's not like having a new signing......lets see what happens in pre-season



During his Everton cameo I really thought our season had stepped up a gear and as a team with him in it, we’d be a threat and Grealish would be a distant memory.

Hopefully with a decent preseason and Gerrard working out how to get the best out him, he could be so exciting for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2022, 08:28:08 PM
Bailey is absolutely a confidence player.

Said this before but last season with all the injuries, I reckon he was just too eager to please. Full fitness and a full pre season and we'll start to see what he has got.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 02, 2022, 08:29:31 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Maybe they thought his account had been hacked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 02, 2022, 08:36:33 PM
Bailey is absolutely a confidence player.

Said this before but last season with all the injuries, I reckon he was just too eager to please. Full fitness and a full pre season and we'll start to see what he has got.

Yep he has loads of talent and fingers crossed he’s a point of difference and can be a major asset.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 02, 2022, 08:38:52 PM
Why is Vill being picked on? He makes perfectly reasonable points.

Having said that, the only Wink(s) I'd be up for us signing is the one that could take us to a higher state of consciousness.

You’re Joshing aren’t you?

Don't laugh.
Herehear
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 02, 2022, 09:53:08 PM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2022, 09:15:05 AM
Seems to be a bit of talk of Zinchenko this morning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 03, 2022, 09:17:14 AM
Seems to be a bit of talk of Zinchenko this morning.

Can't see that's a likely signing at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 03, 2022, 09:21:20 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2022, 09:23:49 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

He looks good there for Ukraine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 03, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
Zinchenko would be a great signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on July 03, 2022, 10:16:00 AM
Under normal circumstances I would say signing Zinchenko isn't within our reach, but after seeing some of the players come in recently I wouldn't rule it out. I don't think he particularly likes playing left back and the rumours are that's why he wants to leave Man City.


This would be a great signing, whenever I've seen him play in midfield for the Ukraine he's been fantastic. If we were able to sign him and play him in midfield he would also provide cover for Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2022, 10:23:30 AM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Zinchenko?  Yes please, good player, smart passer, energetic and good competition for the left back and central midfield spots.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 03, 2022, 10:39:40 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

He looks good there for Ukraine.

He ran the game when they beat Scotland, I was impressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 03, 2022, 10:47:06 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

I think that would be the main issue. Who would you drop?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 03, 2022, 10:57:13 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

I think that would be the main issue. Who would you drop?
It would be Southgate’s wet dream. A team full of full backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 03, 2022, 11:07:18 AM
The few times I watched Man City they would numb the opposition to death by passing it around repeatedly until giving it to Zinchenko to shoot over the bar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 03, 2022, 11:08:35 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

I think that would be the main issue. Who would you drop?
It would be Southgate’s wet dream. A team full of full backs.

He’s an international midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on July 03, 2022, 11:10:39 AM
Ive only ever seen him playing, impressively, at left back so no idea if he’s what we need in midfield.

I think that would be the main issue. Who would you drop?

Probably a case of getting rid of Sansom and Luiz leaving McGinn, Ramsey and Kamara having to fight for their places as it should be. Out of those three McGinn comes under the most scrutiny. Admittedly Kamara is yet to kick a ball for us and his presence will likely improve McGinn and Ramsey. 

Having 5 subs in a game will make a big difference in squads next season. I haven't seen the Zinchenko rumours yet where have they popped up?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 03, 2022, 11:12:26 AM
The few times I watched Man City they would numb the opposition to death by passing it around repeatedly until giving it to Zinchenko to shoot over the bar.


I will take him👍
😃
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 03, 2022, 11:40:01 AM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Zinchenko?  Yes please, good player, smart passer, energetic and good competition for the left back and central midfield spots.

They didnt have questions about their clubs. I thought they both came across as nice kids to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 03, 2022, 12:41:58 PM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Don’t forget tho Steve that Carney isn’t like Jack & been here since he was 8/9, wasn’t he spirited in from Northampton about 14/15?? That’s why
I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he was having his (& no doubt agents & family) head turned by progression available in Bundesliga. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 03, 2022, 01:01:12 PM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Zinchenko?  Yes please, good player, smart passer, energetic and good competition for the left back and central midfield spots.

They didnt have questions about their clubs. I thought they both came across as nice kids to be honest.
Yes me too.
Seem decent lads and enjoyed the interview.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 03, 2022, 01:14:42 PM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Don’t forget tho Steve that Carney isn’t like Jack & been here since he was 8/9, wasn’t he spirited in from Northampton about 14/15?? That’s why
I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he was having his (& no doubt agents & family) head turned by progression available in Bundesliga. 

Very true Gareth.  I hope he signs a new deal with us but just can't see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 03, 2022, 03:46:00 PM


What he says about Gerrard and Young is interesting and shows why we offered Young a new deal.



Carney doesn't strike me as a lad who is massively proud of being at Aston Villa.  He mentioned Gerrard being a quality player but doesn't come across as star struck with any of the other Villa players, although mentioned Ashley Young's encouragement. 

Don’t forget tho Steve that Carney isn’t like Jack & been here since he was 8/9, wasn’t he spirited in from Northampton about 14/15?? That’s why
I wouldn’t be remotely surprised if he was having his (& no doubt agents & family) head turned by progression available in Bundesliga. 

Very true Gareth.  I hope he signs a new deal with us but just can't see it.

It is a really odd one, like you I hope he stays but wouldn’t be surprised if it was a done deal that he leaves this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on July 03, 2022, 06:25:41 PM
Zinchenko is proper quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2022, 07:12:36 PM
He definitely is, there's no way we'd get him, he'd have so many better options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 03, 2022, 07:36:39 PM
He definitely is, there's no way we'd get him, he'd have so many better options.

Can’t find any links to Zinchenko and your probably right about his options, but 7 months ago i would of laughed if someone said we’d get Coutinhio.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2022, 07:42:13 PM
Fair point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 03, 2022, 07:45:48 PM
Zinchenko send unlikely but would be an absolutely on-the-button signing. Really not expecting it, but would be hugely excited if it happened.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 04, 2022, 07:54:07 AM
I would assume that we have to have players leave us before anymore new signings arrive
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 04, 2022, 08:08:12 AM
I wonder if they are waiting to see how the first few weeks of pre-season go before making decisions on the next priorities
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2022, 09:05:55 AM
I wonder if they are waiting to see how the first few weeks of pre-season go before making decisions on the next priorities

We have a full squad, the only gap right now is cover at left back and we have an offer on the table for Young which fills that. More players will come in but only when people get sold. I think we all know that some of the current squad are going but it makes sense to use this time to make enquiries and set things up rather than pushing through signings which risk us overloading the squad if sales don't happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 04, 2022, 09:39:41 AM
I would expect a few out this week as they will not want to take dead wood to Australia.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2022, 09:58:02 AM
I wonder how hard it is to shift some of them like El Ghazi whose stock must have plummeted since his loan move to Everton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 04, 2022, 10:41:31 AM
I would imagine if we want to get rid of El Ghazi etc.. we would have to pay a large amount of his wages to the club that may want to buy him

For years we have overpaid players far more than they are worth and therefore generally the "squad" players only seem to leave us at the end of their contracts (there wont be many clubs who can afford to match the salaries that we pay)

Ings for example will only leave us at the end of his contract no other club is going to pay him £120k a week the same as what he is being paid by us.

At his age he will know that we are his final big pay day, so he probably wont worry if we bring in another striker and he only starts a few games each season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2022, 10:52:39 AM
I wonder how hard it is to shift some of them like El Ghazi whose stock must have plummeted since his loan move to Everton.

I feel sorry for him.

He's annoyingly inconsistent, mostly because you see glimpses of what he is capable of.

He is a decent player, though, and scored some important goals for us in his time here.

He got royally fucked around by Everton, I hope he gets a decent move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 04, 2022, 11:02:11 AM
I wonder how hard it is to shift some of them like El Ghazi whose stock must have plummeted since his loan move to Everton.

I feel sorry for him.

He's annoyingly inconsistent, mostly because you see glimpses of what he is capable of.

He is a decent player, though, and scored some important goals for us in his time here.

He got royally fucked around by Everton, I hope he gets a decent move.
The Everton move was a disaster for him, ended up playing less than he would've done staying at Villa.  Hope he gets a decent move this summer.  He's not consistent enough for a club trying to break in to that top 6/8 bracket, but think he's a pretty decent player who can do a job in the Premier League (albeit closer to the bottom than the top).

Be a brilliant signing for someone like Norwich or another club likely to make the move up from the Championship this season.  He'd look amazing in the Championship, and is good enough that you'd not necessarily be looking to replace him first or even second season up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2022, 11:06:36 AM
I don't think the Everton thing will go too much against him as he didn't get a chance to bomb really and his agent will just argue the club was in turmoil and he never got the chance to show what he could do.

I think the whole thing about a player not moving on if he can't get the same salary depends heavily on the player. You can stay and just pick up your money for a few years and earn more than you would otherwise, but you'll find your earning ability after that to plummet.

I'd like to think El Ghazi with another 8 seasons in him would rather be playing for someone and proving his worth and earning good money for that period of time rather than seeing out his contract to get as much as possible from us. He's not going to be on mega-money with us anyway and there are quite a few clubs in the Championship or lower Premier League who would take a look at him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 04, 2022, 11:21:22 AM
I like him. Along with Trez, we've a lot to be grateful for.

Let's hope he gets a good move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
I like him a lot too, but what I think we're seeing is that post pandemic, outside of the Premier League and the Champions League clubs there's not a lot of money about.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 04, 2022, 11:30:04 AM
Given we probably wouldn't be asking for a huge fee for him, you'd think somebody like Bournemouth or Forest would probably get a tune out of him. Even someone like Southampton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 04, 2022, 12:02:51 PM
El Ghazi is a bottom half of the premier league player who will get offers and I don't think his wages will be pricing him out of a move (and more broadly I disagree with almost everything sid put in that post, it was true a few years back but doesn't reflect how we've operated under NSWE).

What is going against him, and a lot of other players in similar circumstances, is that the premier league in general has inflated wages far faster than any other league. That means the pool of clubs willing to take average players from here is getting smaller every year unless the players take a big pay cut or clubs wipe out the transfer fees or sub the wages. It's not a Villa thing, it's an English football thing (because a lot of the championship clubs are struggling in the same way). Without that I think he'd do well in German football and would be a top signing for one of the bigger dutch clubs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 04, 2022, 12:37:01 PM
El Ghazi is a bottom half of the premier league player who will get offers and I don't think his wages will be pricing him out of a move (and more broadly I disagree with almost everything sid put in that post, it was true a few years back but doesn't reflect how we've operated under NSWE).

What is going against him, and a lot of other players in similar circumstances, is that the premier league in general has inflated wages far faster than any other league. That means the pool of clubs willing to take average players from here is getting smaller every year unless the players take a big pay cut or clubs wipe out the transfer fees or sub the wages. It's not a Villa thing, it's an English football thing (because a lot of the championship clubs are struggling in the same way). Without that I think he'd do well in German football and would be a top signing for one of the bigger dutch clubs.
Agree with all of this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 04, 2022, 01:33:45 PM
It shows how below par his all round game is sadly, that a player who the season before last got 10 goals (the same as Sterling, Pepe, Cavani and Antonio) now can't get even get into a really poor Everton side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 04, 2022, 01:55:16 PM
El Ghazi was the victim of signing for a club who only a few days changed their manager and then didn't fit into the thoughts of the new manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 04, 2022, 02:02:59 PM
El Ghazi was the victim of signing for a club who only a few days changed their manager and then didn't fit into the thoughts of the new manager.
Absolutely.  It felt almost like Lampard didn't want to give him a chance out of principal.  In fairness they did have Anthony Gordon hit good form at around that time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 04, 2022, 02:06:18 PM
They also had about 50 other wingers on the books at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 04, 2022, 02:17:57 PM
I like El Ghazi, there are not many wingers with his premier league goal output available for anything like the price he will be sold for. A solid signing for any promoted club, top end Championship club or anywhere in Turkey, Netherlands, France.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 04, 2022, 02:21:33 PM
El Ghazi was the victim of signing for a club who only a few days changed their manager and then didn't fit into the thoughts of the new manager.
Absolutely.  It felt almost like Lampard didn't want to give him a chance out of principal.  In fairness they did have Anthony Gordon hit good form at around that time.
Just because he scored the goal to stop his team getting promoted :-)

V v wierd that he never got a chance with the predicament they were in for 2 months after he arrived
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2022, 03:37:54 PM
It shows how below par his all round game is sadly, that a player who the season before last got 10 goals (the same as Sterling, Pepe, Cavani and Antonio) now can't get even get into a really poor Everton side.

I think given Everton stayed up by the skin of their bollocks they could have done with him as they spiralled towards relegation. He’s better off the bench than players like Andros Townsend and Iwobi.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2022, 04:05:17 PM
A lot of those 10 goals (half or more?) were penalties. Some howitzers too though, that pinger against Palace on Boxing Day and the beautiful curler at Goodison.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2022, 04:21:02 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 04, 2022, 04:27:27 PM
A lot of those 10 goals (half or more?) were penalties. Some howitzers too though, that pinger against Palace on Boxing Day and the beautiful curler at Goodison.

I loved that goal at the Hawthorns in the Championship, where he kind of hits it the way Hot Shot Hamish would in Roy of the Rovers, with mad swazz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 04, 2022, 04:27:32 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.
He is a very limited footballer and whilst I am grateful for some telling contributions he has made in the past, I think it is best he moved on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 04, 2022, 05:09:14 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.

Taking shots at every opportunity and being direct was the main thing I liked about him
But he is another one of those frustrating players mainly forwards that can be great at times and look top-class but Not often enough
He’s not good enough or consistent enough for us if we are to make a challenge for top bits of the prem (8-4)


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
I’m definitely all for him going, I was just talking about him in general.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 04, 2022, 05:22:28 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.
He is a very limited footballer and whilst I am grateful for some telling contributions he has made in the past, I think it is best he moved on.

I think he'd be a fantastic asset for Norwich.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gerrin on July 04, 2022, 05:34:52 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.

Taking shots at every opportunity and being direct was the main thing I liked about him
But he is another one of those frustrating players mainly forwards that can be great at times and look top-class but Not often enough
He’s not good enough or consistent enough for us if we are to make a challenge for top bits of the prem (8-4)

More often than not he wasn't hitting the target though. The game at VP the season before last was it Burnley? When we had something like 27 attempts on goal and still didn't win. Most were shots missed by him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 04, 2022, 08:06:32 PM
El Ghazi's issue for me was too many shots, too few assists.  He took the shot more often than not, even when a pass was the better option, which meant he got some goals, wasted lots of opportunities, and failed to get as many assists as he ought to have.

With coaching to improve his decision making he would probably have less goals himself but a higher overall goal contribution and be more effective.

Taking shots at every opportunity and being direct was the main thing I liked about him
But he is another one of those frustrating players mainly forwards that can be great at times and look top-class but Not often enough
He’s not good enough or consistent enough for us if we are to make a challenge for top bits of the prem (8-4)

More often than not he wasn't hitting the target though. The game at VP the season before last was it Burnley? When we had something like 27 attempts on goal and still didn't win. Most were shots missed by him.

Yeah I know that’s why I said he isn’t good enough
I just like a player that has a go is direct instead of pissing about losing the ball, of all his weaknesses and he had many I don’t think his directness was one of them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 04, 2022, 08:08:39 PM
Is Freddie Guilbert back in training at BH,  If he is I wonder how he’s getting on and if it’s all a bit awkward
I’ve always liked him but I know the jury is split on that one
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2022, 08:10:44 PM
Yeah, he’s been in the pics I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 04, 2022, 08:14:56 PM
Video on our FB Page of the first team back at work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 04, 2022, 08:17:46 PM
Yeah, he’s been in the pics I think.

He is. I saw the pics and thought the same #awks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 04, 2022, 08:27:42 PM
Is it me, or does Buendia look like he’s been bulking up a little more?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: usav on July 04, 2022, 09:59:14 PM
Is Freddie Guilbert back in training at BH,  If he is I wonder how he’s getting on and if it’s all a bit awkward
I’ve always liked him but I know the jury is split on that one

On Twitter he posted “the past is the past, let’s look to the future”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2022, 10:21:40 PM
Is Freddie Guilbert back in training at BH,  If he is I wonder how he’s getting on and if it’s all a bit awkward
I’ve always liked him but I know the jury is split on that one

On Twitter he posted “the past is the past, let’s look to the future”

It wouldn't be awkward with Gerrard surely, DS was the one constantly loaning him out.

This is actually first proper chance for Gerrard to assess him so can see him starting league cup game we have in August and then probably leaving on transfer deadline day for a couple of million.

That said I wouldn't be against him staying up to January as actually think he'd do o.k with how Gerrard wants the FBs to operate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on July 04, 2022, 10:23:49 PM
A fresh start with Gerrard. I'm happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 05, 2022, 07:58:30 AM
Rumours of Dougie to AC Milan this morning, although it looks like they are not prepared to pay our asking price.  Don’t know what to think about this one
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 05, 2022, 08:01:58 AM
If us selling Dougie, means that we are able to buy a better player in that position, then we should sell
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 05, 2022, 08:04:34 AM
If us selling Dougie, means that we are able to buy a better player in that position, then we should sell

Well yeah but you could say the same thing about every single player we have on the books
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 05, 2022, 08:50:17 AM
If us selling Dougie, means that we are able to buy a better player in that position, then we should sell

Well yeah but you could say the same thing about every single player we have on the books

True, but him having a year left is a factor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 05, 2022, 09:00:55 AM
If Dougie isn't going to sign a new contract, it's a non-starter .. we should sell.

If he is willing to, then I'd only let him go for a very healthy offer. Think he's a good player who's been played in a role he's not suited to. There's been glimpses of the player he could be. Think upgrades on him will likely start at £40m, freak bargains aside.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 05, 2022, 09:09:15 AM
Yeah, I think our net spend so far this season is £29m, so if we can get £20-25m for him that wipes most of that out and we will be able to spend on another good midfield option.  The Dougie situation has been coming for a while so I would be gobsmacked if we don't have a few potential targets identified in case of his going.

Plus he's far too good looking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
Don't we deserve hotties at the Villa?

*No, I'm not talking about Luv Island
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2022, 09:37:29 AM
Yeah, I think our net spend so far this season is £29m, so if we can get £20-25m for him that wipes most of that out and we will be able to spend on another good midfield option.  The Dougie situation has been coming for a while so I would be gobsmacked if we don't have a few potential targets identified in case of his going.

Plus he's far too good looking.

Dougie and Diego together in the "back to work" video on the official Twitter yesterday was pretty high on the handsomeness scale. Add in Tyrone and it goes off the chart. No wonder poor old Targett left.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
If us selling Dougie, means that we are able to buy a better player in that position, then we should sell

Well yeah but you could say the same thing about every single player we have on the books
Exactly.  And I still feel we haven't seen the best of Doug.  It would be a shame to lose him just as he's got the chance to play further forward with Kamara behind or along side him.  I'd really like to keep him to see what he can do, but of course if he won't sign then we have to sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 05, 2022, 09:57:51 AM
the way to improve any team is to always sell well and buy better players in their place

If you don't do this how can you improve?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2022, 10:24:29 AM
the way to improve any team is to always sell well and buy better players in their place

If you don't do this how can you improve?
But we don't know how good Doug can be as he's never played with a quality DM for us.  I think he'll leave, but I do wonder if we may regret it in time.  I still think he could be an excellent 8 or even in a double pivot roll where he doesn't have the whole defensive responsibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2022, 10:27:07 AM
the way to improve any team is to always sell well and buy better players in their place

If you don't do this how can you improve?
But we don't know how good Doug can be as he's never played with a quality DM for us.  I think he'll leave, but I do wonder if we may regret it in time.  I still think he could be an excellent 8 or even in a double pivot roll where he doesn't have the whole defensive responsibility.

He was bought as a quality DM, he just isn't one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 05, 2022, 10:30:20 AM
the way to improve any team is to always sell well and buy better players in their place

If you don't do this how can you improve?
But we don't know how good Doug can be as he's never played with a quality DM for us.  I think he'll leave, but I do wonder if we may regret it in time.  I still think he could be an excellent 8 or even in a double pivot roll where he doesn't have the whole defensive responsibility.

He was bought as a quality DM, he just isn't one.
Was he?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2022, 10:54:32 AM
the way to improve any team is to always sell well and buy better players in their place

If you don't do this how can you improve?
But we don't know how good Doug can be as he's never played with a quality DM for us.  I think he'll leave, but I do wonder if we may regret it in time.  I still think he could be an excellent 8 or even in a double pivot roll where he doesn't have the whole defensive responsibility.

He was bought as a quality DM, he just isn't one.
Was he?

Yep.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/man-city-luiz-transfer-news-17430028

"Guardiola bemoaned the fact that City had to sell Luiz prior to the two clubs meeting in October.

"He would be here if a work permit were possible if the Premier League said it would be possible but now he is at Aston Villa," he said.

"We have an option to get him back but sometimes life is like this. We wanted him because last season we had problems in that position because we didn’t buy a holding midfielder."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2022, 10:57:18 AM
If us selling Dougie, means that we are able to buy a better player in that position, then we should sell

Well yeah but you could say the same thing about every single player we have on the books
Exactly.  And I still feel we haven't seen the best of Doug.  It would be a shame to lose him just as he's got the chance to play further forward with Kamara behind or along side him.  I'd really like to keep him to see what he can do, but of course if he won't sign then we have to sell.

I agree, that has to be our position. Sign up or be sold. Though I get the feeling he wants a move now anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 05, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
Surely with Doug its just down to whether he signs a contract or not. 

If not, we would be mad not to cash in now

Likewise with Chucky
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2022, 11:01:31 AM
Surely with Doug its just down to whether he signs a contract or not. 

If not, we would be mad not to cash in now

Likewise with Chucky

I think it's different with Chukwuemeka. He's a young player- going places, like the Villa. He'll get more games this season, and a chance to impress and earn a bigger contract. Even next season we get a development fee I think as he's under 23.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 05, 2022, 11:25:28 AM
Surely with Doug its just down to whether he signs a contract or not. 

If not, we would be mad not to cash in now

Likewise with Chucky

I think it's different with Chukwuemeka. He's a young player- going places, like the Villa. He'll get more games this season, and a chance to impress and earn a bigger contract. Even next season we get a development fee I think as he's under 23.
Ah ok - I didnt realise that.  Then maybe no harm in keeping him - assuming the motivation is money and football, rather than he just doesnt like being here
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gerrin on July 05, 2022, 12:01:37 PM
Hourihane going to Derby? Surprised at that one, he's easily good enough for a Championship team.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-conor-hourihane-undergoes-derby-county-medical-today-after-quitting-aston-villa/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 05, 2022, 12:14:54 PM
Hourihane going to Derby? Surprised at that one, he's easily good enough for a Championship team.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/sources-conor-hourihane-undergoes-derby-county-medical-today-after-quitting-aston-villa/

I think there's talk of him and Chesters going there. Which would be really good for Chelsea. i think Geographically it would work for Hourihane, given he's come from Barnsley to Villa, then to Sheffield United. Derby would mean less disruption.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 05, 2022, 12:20:20 PM
Feels a bit quiet. What do you lot think with regards to incomings? I feel like there are two more big signings to be made. Hopefully we get something ASAP. A striker and another defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 05, 2022, 12:58:45 PM
I think we got in players early that we felt we absolutely needed. And now with everyone back and a manager who won’t have truly had a chance to evaluate what he has given he came in mid season, then I think we should be taking this time to see what/who will work and who won’t. The early part of pre season will help with that plus a couple of games. I fully expect that some will leave and we will invest as the summer goes along. We shouldn’t be just lashing out money on new players without properly understanding whether or not the players we do have, that in many cases we spent a lot of money on, can actually work in what the manager and staff are looking to implement. And we also have some tremendous young talent to evaluate also.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
Feels a bit quiet. What do you lot think with regards to incomings? I feel like there are two more big signings to be made. Hopefully we get something ASAP. A striker and another defender.

I think as ever, a bit of patience is needed. The transfer window does not close until September.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on July 05, 2022, 01:41:01 PM
I'd be surprised if we don't sign some more. I get the full pre season argument etc, but he worked for a big chunk season with the squad from last year and they didn't appear to be a team that just needed a couple of players to finish close to or in the European places. FFP wise we should surely be OK as we presumably still have a bit of the 30 pieces of silver from Ratboy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 05, 2022, 02:25:09 PM
I think we got in players early that we felt we absolutely needed. And now with everyone back and a manager who won’t have truly had a chance to evaluate what he has given he came in mid season, then I think we should be taking this time to see what/who will work and who won’t. The early part of pre season will help with that plus a couple of games. I fully expect that some will leave and we will invest as the summer goes along. We shouldn’t be just lashing out money on new players without properly understanding whether or not the players we do have, that in many cases we spent a lot of money on, can actually work in what the manager and staff are looking to implement. And we also have some tremendous young talent to evaluate also.
I think this is spot on.  Sure the club are open to sell El Ghazi / Traore / Davis / Douglas / Sanson but you make them totally surplus to requirements then clubs want to pay even less or wait till deadline day to deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 05, 2022, 02:31:58 PM
It could just be that the players we want are not so easy to acquire for any number of reasons and the ones at the start were already in place and pretty much agreed on before the season ended. I should imagine there will be some back up plans in place if we can’t get the first choice ones for whatever reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 05, 2022, 02:58:38 PM
It could just be that the players we want are not so easy to acquire for any number of reasons and the ones at the start were already in place and pretty much agreed on before the season ended. I should imagine there will be some back up plans in place if we can’t get the first choice ones for whatever reason.
Yeah, think there's a lot of truth in the last 2 comments. Either the signings are part of a chain where selling club wants to sort out replacements first, or we're waiting to get other players off the books first, as much because it's better business rather than strictly needing to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 05, 2022, 03:26:59 PM
Signings so far:

Kamara, free transfer that was already agreed.
Coutinho, loan with a clause to make it permanent that we triggered but with some negotiation on the fee.
Olsen, loan that almost certainly had some clause but hasn't been confirmed.
Carlos, by agreeing this deal they stand a decent chance of holding on to Kounde this season so got it through early.

Every one of these will have been comparitively very simple to get completed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on July 05, 2022, 05:54:22 PM
Aaron Hickey arriving for a medical according to the Meaning Evil, but as most of their online output is clickbait (this came up on my Facebook feed), I don't know how much credence we can give it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 05, 2022, 05:56:42 PM
Aaron Hickey arriving for a medical according to the Meaning Evil, but as most of their online output is clickbait (this came up on my Facebook feed), I don't know how much credence we can give it.

It's true. Medical for Brentford.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 05, 2022, 05:59:19 PM
Unless he does a last minute u-turn like that Fulham bloke did to us who's career has gone that well since, I can't remember his name.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2022, 06:04:40 PM
Unless he does a last minute u-turn like that Fulham bloke did to us who's career has gone that well since, I can't remember his name.

Joe Bryan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: stevo_st on July 05, 2022, 06:05:01 PM
Joe Bryan?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 05, 2022, 06:12:17 PM
Say it three times and he signs for someone else unexpectedly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 05, 2022, 06:32:49 PM
With Young signing a new contract it depends on the Hause situation, we have 2 LCB and 2 RCB plus Hayden that can cover RB, that could be considered covered.  Unless Luiz or Sanson leave the middle of the park is covered.  We have plenty of players to cover the deep lying forward roles.  1 striker minimum and if we manage to shift some players then upgrades will become a possibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2022, 07:03:45 PM
Joe Bryan?

No, not the guy who sucked Fergie's (no, not that one nor that one) toes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 05, 2022, 07:05:26 PM
Joe Bryan?

No, not the guy who sucked Fergie's (no, not that one nor that one) toes.

Are you ok BV?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 05, 2022, 07:29:32 PM
😂😂😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 05, 2022, 08:09:53 PM
Signings so far:

Kamara, free transfer that was already agreed.
Coutinho, loan with a clause to make it permanent that we triggered but with some negotiation on the fee.
Olsen, loan that almost certainly had some clause but hasn't been confirmed.
Carlos, by agreeing this deal they stand a decent chance of holding on to Kounde this season so got it through early.

Every one of these will have been comparitively very simple to get completed.

Sure the club will not have found acquiring Kamara, Coutinho or Carlos in any way simple - finances are one thing but persuading them to join a club without European football was very good work.

Intrigued how the squad looks after window closes & sure there will be more ins & outs to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 05, 2022, 08:17:49 PM
Hopefully getting those really crucial signings early mean we can go into pre-season with a solid unit and have them all settled in nicely before assessing and adding one or two later so then it’s not much of a drastic squad change when we finally do kick off the new season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on July 05, 2022, 08:24:37 PM
I think we've solved the structural issues the side has and while I think we're far from done, Kamara and Carlos will significantly improve us defensively and in retaining possession.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 05, 2022, 09:15:45 PM
I think the business we have done is excellent, and like above, I dont think it has been easy to get the players in that we have.

I am not convinced we have enough currently to really push for for europe, just because I think it is a big jump from 14th to 7th

But - hopefully we can see some real mark improvement.  I think well see some more comings and going, and maybe that will change things, but my gut says that SG still has some learning for us to push to the next level (but Im a glass half empty guy)

I would like to see luiz either sign or go, as I think we need to get better at cashing in on players

One downside of getting better is it seems like 3pm home games are a thing of the past. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on July 05, 2022, 09:34:30 PM
It's potentially a big ask for Kamara to come in from Ligue 1 and hit the ground running to solve the DM issue that we've had for years, particularly given his age and experience. Others have come from that league (not just at Villa) and struggled. If nothing else, I think we need another specialist in that position beyond Nakamba. Even if it's someone who only does a job for a year because if Kamara doesn't immediately solve the problem then we're talking about another period of time where it's a problem area.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2022, 11:20:11 PM
Tend to agree. A 32 year old not shit Jedinak (no offence Jed, but our loans officer couldn't pass for toffee)...closer to Glenn Whelan but with a bit more class that can guide Boob a car.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2022, 12:03:50 AM
To be clear I meant easy in terms of negotiations with other clubs. Any players that improve us will be tough to sign but when the club are either happy to sell or out of the picture they're simpler deals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 06, 2022, 07:28:55 AM
It's potentially a big ask for Kamara to come in from Ligue 1 and hit the ground running to solve the DM issue that we've had for years, particularly given his age and experience. Others have come from that league (not just at Villa) and struggled. If nothing else, I think we need another specialist in that position beyond Nakamba. Even if it's someone who only does a job for a year because if Kamara doesn't immediately solve the problem then we're talking about another period of time where it's a problem area.

I think Nakamba is that man (or potentially the last year of Luiz’s contract).  Even a journeyman will cost £25m or a shedload in wages which is a lot of money for a stop gap.  Unless we can sell some players I think the squad is pretty full right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 08:08:53 AM
It's potentially a big ask for Kamara to come in from Ligue 1 and hit the ground running to solve the DM issue that we've had for years, particularly given his age and experience. Others have come from that league (not just at Villa) and struggled. If nothing else, I think we need another specialist in that position beyond Nakamba. Even if it's someone who only does a job for a year because if Kamara doesn't immediately solve the problem then we're talking about another period of time where it's a problem area.

I think Nakamba is that man (or potentially the last year of Luiz’s contract).  Even a journeyman will cost £25m or a shedload in wages which is a lot of money for a stop gap.  Unless we can sell some players I think the squad is pretty full right now.

Yeah, we have 29 senior players at the minute, while we have been operating with about 26 previously. I think they will work on improving Nakamba's passing and distribution over pre-season, but if we off-load the right players and the right target comes along, we will pounce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on July 06, 2022, 12:12:04 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2022, 12:21:54 PM
Isn't that where Martin Jol ended up?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 06, 2022, 12:57:30 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

So bored with the summer hols already that you're reduced to tracking the employment status of former Villa fitness coaches ? :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2022, 01:10:32 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

Are they planning to change games to 60 minutes in France?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2022, 02:03:31 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

So bored with the summer hols already that you're reduced to tracking the employment status of former Villa fitness coaches ? :)

I'd do the same if I had 4 months of holidays in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on July 06, 2022, 03:05:19 PM
Gerrard said on the Villa site today that he see's Kamara as a 6 or an 8 and hes looking to strengthen that area again in this window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2022, 03:11:17 PM
I think he wants Sangare from PSV.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 06, 2022, 03:24:29 PM
I think he wants Sangare from PSV.

I hope so, he's exactly the sort of player I think we need in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 06, 2022, 04:01:22 PM
Sangare? Isn't that one of the wines Bad English speeds over the border for?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 06, 2022, 04:18:08 PM
Everton, Leicester, Chelsea and Liverpool are reported to also be interested in him. The Plastics were too until they realised he's not really cheap. A £30m release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 06, 2022, 04:22:39 PM
I think he wants Sangare from PSV.

I hope so, he's exactly the sort of player I think we need in there.

Yes i think so. I have only had a look at his youtube compilation but he looks leggy, good in the tackle, strong, quick and can pass it. Almost Viera esc.

Where is the link coming from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 06, 2022, 04:25:19 PM
Everton, Leicester, Chelsea and Liverpool are reported to also be interested in him. The Plastics were too until they realised he's not really cheap. A £30m release clause.

I've never seen the guy play myself but if Chelsea and Liverpool think he's good enough to be on their radar I would imagine £30m isn't an excessive fee for a player ofknockout stage Champions League quality in today's transfer market.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 06, 2022, 04:25:41 PM
Sangare as well as Booby Kam would be unreal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 06, 2022, 04:26:37 PM
The schoolboy in me is still hoping Kamara takes the squad number 8008.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 06, 2022, 05:08:13 PM
The schoolboy in me is still hoping Kamara takes the squad number 8008.
Sign Sangare and give him the squad number 135 too.  In for a penny ... 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2022, 05:27:46 PM
Sign Sangare and give him the squad number 135 too.  In for a penny ... 

We're saving that in case we sign Gavin Massey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 06, 2022, 05:29:31 PM
Gerrard said on the Villa site today that he see's Kamara as a 6 or an 8 and hes looking to strengthen that area again in this window.

Yes he also said Kamara will need time to settle in so I can see why he wants another midfielder in to challenge the midfield players.
Same with the centre backs since we signed Carlos and having them challenge each other for places.

I don't think Sanson is someone who will be staying and he's essentially being replaced.
And the youngsters who deserve game time shouldn't be held back by likes of Sanson or Guilbert who need to be moved out.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2022, 05:59:18 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

So bored with the summer hols already that you're reduced to tracking the employment status of former Villa fitness coaches ? :)

I'd do the same if I had 4 months of holidays in the summer.

In his holidays, BE turns into Anthony Bourdain. It’s a shock he has time to post.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 06, 2022, 06:41:44 PM
So it appears SG’s priority is another 6/8 whatever that means to us old schoolers.  By definition that seems to mean he’s happy with the defence and forward line, unless a striker of the calibre we want becomes available.  Given this I’m not sure we can expect much of major signings in the next couple of months bar the 6/8
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 06, 2022, 07:09:14 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

So bored with the summer hols already that you're reduced to tracking the employment status of former Villa fitness coaches ? :)

I'd do the same if I had 4 months of holidays in the summer.

In his holidays, BE turns into Anthony Bourdain. It’s a shock he has time to post.
Does he have an Ouija  board?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 06, 2022, 07:20:35 PM
I'd do the same if I had 4 months of holidays in the summer.

In his holidays, BE turns into Anthony Bourdain. It’s a shock he has time to post.

As BE often says on here - "Eat at a local restaurant tonight. Get the cream sauce. Have a cold pint at 4 o’clock in a mostly empty bar. Go somewhere you’ve never been. Listen to someone you think may have nothing in common with you. Order the steak rare. Eat an oyster. Have a Negroni. Have two!"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 06, 2022, 07:42:09 PM
Robert Duverne, our former fitness coach, has landed the job at freshly-promoted to Ligue 1, AJ Auxerre.

So bored with the summer hols already that you're reduced to tracking the employment status of former Villa fitness coaches ? :)

I'd do the same if I had 4 months of holidays in the summer.

In his holidays, BE turns into Anthony Bourdain. It’s a shock he has time to post.
Does he have an Ouija  board?

Anything for more spirits.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 06, 2022, 08:48:38 PM
So it appears SG’s priority is another 6/8 whatever that means to us old schoolers.  By definition that seems to mean he’s happy with the defence and forward line, unless a striker of the calibre we want becomes available.  Given this I’m not sure we can expect much of major signings in the next couple of months bar the 6/8

Central midfield wise I’d see a 6 as a defensive player, someone to sit in front of the back 4 and protect, stop the opposition running through that area of the pitch. Great ones in PL terms would be Keane, Kante, Makelele etc. Villa ones over the years, Richardson, Boeteng, Nakamba
A 7 would be either a player that goes box to box or moves the ball around quickly or spreads it around, Petit, Alonso, Wynaldum and Villa ones such as Taylor, Townsend, Petrov, McGinn.
A number 8 would be more attacking, either running at players creating space and/or joining attacks, breaking forward and scoring goals. Gascoigne, Scholes, our own Platt and other Villa ones such as  Parker, Draper, Ramsey.
Then you get some players that are great at 2 roles, Henderson, Viera and our Gareth Barry as 6 or 7, Gerrard, Lampard and Toure as 7 or 8. The best midfielder I’ve ever seen, Lother Mattheus could play all 3.

I think with 3 centre backs behind you can get away without a 6, say 2 7’s and 1 8 like our 95-96 midfield but I think with a normal defence you definitely need a number 6, and for me the only out and out one we have is Nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 06, 2022, 09:01:26 PM
When Petrov was consistently playing his best football for us, he was playing as a 6.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2022, 12:43:35 AM
We just need a better version of McGinn now.

Said a few times I'd try Buendia in deeper position and see if it works but not sure Gerrard will go for that.

Someone who can circulate the ball consistantly well, help out Kamara quickly when we lose possession and also chip in with a goal or three.

Bissouma would've been ideal but there are others out there.

We surely must still be looking given Kamara was always a long term summer target and we were in for Bentancur in January.

Would be a bit of a fad just to think Kamara is enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 07, 2022, 08:08:04 AM
To have another first team challenger signing in before the preseason tour would be brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2022, 11:19:22 AM
Gerrard actually said they still want another midfielder in his club interview yesterday, Soccer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 07, 2022, 11:37:14 AM
Gerrard actually said they still want another midfielder in his club interview yesterday, Soccer.

This might also be  because he knows we have departures on the horizon as well
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2022, 11:45:47 AM
Presumably Luiz and Sanson going out.

The midfield did need some work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 07, 2022, 12:26:00 PM
Gerrard actually said they still want another midfielder in his club interview yesterday, Soccer.
Gibbs-White from the Dogheads, anyone? Or is he too similar to what we already have?
Had a good loan period last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 07, 2022, 12:30:06 PM
Looked great when he first broke through. Does he want a DM or an AM though? I suspect he will want a DM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2022, 12:40:25 PM
Presumably Luiz and Sanson going out.

The midfield did need some work.

Meatball should be sweating.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 07, 2022, 01:11:29 PM
My gut feeling is that there is a midfielder lined up already. The Club haven't been loose with explaining what they're looking for before?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
My gut feeling is that there is a midfielder lined up already. The Club haven't been loose with explaining what they're looking for before?

Good point...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2022, 01:34:42 PM
My gut feeling is that there is a midfielder lined up already. The Club haven't been loose with explaining what they're looking for before?

Good point...

Agreed and I hope he's right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on July 07, 2022, 01:42:15 PM
Based on Doug and/or Sanson leaving probably.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on July 07, 2022, 02:06:04 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 07, 2022, 02:16:53 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news

You'd need more than a day for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2022, 02:26:28 PM
Fucking Hell, I'd rather have Boris Johnson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 07, 2022, 02:34:15 PM
Maybe Gerrard sees Marvellous as the pivotal CDM with better players supporting him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2022, 02:35:19 PM
The elusive DM we have been missing?


(https://i.ibb.co/Zc8gGdR/boris.gif) (https://ibb.co/Zc8gGdR)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2022, 02:47:53 PM
There are a few rumblings on twitter that the next new signing is very close but they don't seem to agree on the position with some saying a LB, other saying DM and yet more saying CM.

Might well be bullshit of course.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2022, 02:53:09 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news

Just No!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on July 07, 2022, 02:57:07 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news

Rumours from where?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on July 07, 2022, 03:00:51 PM
 I'd rather have Nod. He's as good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 07, 2022, 03:51:53 PM
Might as well try to keep Luiz than sign bloody fucking Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on July 07, 2022, 04:03:54 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 07, 2022, 04:04:30 PM
All the recent stuff I can find on Twitter re Winks is linking him to Leicester rather than Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on July 07, 2022, 04:08:00 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Good, he wasn't going to improve the team if we had bought him. Then again it was only a rumour.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on July 07, 2022, 04:15:10 PM
If we do sign Winks, we better give him the squad number 40.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2022, 05:32:46 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2022, 05:42:02 PM
Hope Winks goes to Leicester and we get N’didi instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 07, 2022, 05:43:14 PM
Is he any better? N'didi is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2022, 05:43:34 PM
Anybody that is repeatedly reported as a potential transfer obviously isn’t.
So file Gomez and Winks into that category.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 07, 2022, 05:55:30 PM
Is he any better? N'didi is.

indeedi he's  not
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on July 07, 2022, 06:02:19 PM
Maybe Gerrard sees Marvellous as the pivotal CDM with better players supporting him?
Very funny  😄
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 07, 2022, 06:17:55 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

They might send him out on loan you know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on July 07, 2022, 08:10:33 PM
didn't that financial wizard Levy offer us 10 million + Winks and a bag of smarties for Grealish , when we could not meet our tax bill?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 07, 2022, 08:20:57 PM
didn't that financial wizard Levy offer us 10 million + Winks and a bag of smarties for Grealish , when we could not meet our tax bill?

That was Onomah I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 07, 2022, 08:28:03 PM
didn't that financial wizard Levy offer us 10 million + Winks and a bag of smarties for Grealish , when we could not meet our tax bill?

That was Onomah I think.

It was and how we laughed when Nas and Wes came in and gave Levy a big fuck off tablet.  Now IMHO if we sign Winks Levy will have the last laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on July 07, 2022, 08:37:31 PM
Winks, in my view and the games I have seen him play ,will not move us on one iota, rather kept Conner.
Not the player we should be looking for, hope it is total bollacks and we move on
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 07, 2022, 08:44:44 PM
Haven't most of our signings been announced before the completion of the medical? Think we can file the winks rumour as bollocks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2022, 08:59:18 PM
I don't watch enough non-Villa games to know who the good holding midfielders are these days. If Gerrard thinks Winks can do that well, (given our existing options are Nakamba and only possibly Kamara - he's more of an 8 from what I've read), I wouldn't be averse to it. He's training with decent players at Spurs every day, how bad can he be?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 07, 2022, 09:17:54 PM
It's not that he's bad, he's just not particularly good either. I genuinely have no idea what he does well.

Anyway the press have linked us to him so I have no doubt what so ever that we are not in for him. We've proven time and time again that very few people out there know our next move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 07, 2022, 09:31:33 PM
i remember him coming on as a kid against us and he looked really good .  Granted we were shit , but i don’t think he has pushed on much
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on July 07, 2022, 09:41:06 PM
It's not that he's bad, he's just not particularly good either. I genuinely have no idea what he does well.

Anyway the press have linked us to him so I have no doubt what so ever that we are not in for him. We've proven time and time again that very few people out there know our next move.
agreed
from the games I've seen , a poor mans Douglas
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2022, 10:41:42 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2022, 10:45:54 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 07, 2022, 11:07:15 PM
Winks is about the same level as Ashley Westwood. Likely to run down his contract Barks style.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 07, 2022, 11:34:11 PM
I must be alone in thinking Winks is a decent player. Always looked pretty competent when I’ve seen him play, including in an England shirt. If Gerrard is looking for technically good players who can move the ball quickly and accurately to help us retain better possession, then he fits the bill. I’m not convinced he is significantly better than what we have already, but he’s not a bad player, and still a good age at 26.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 07, 2022, 11:40:14 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

The curse of the Mercury Prize. Won it in '98 but within a few years were also-rans once more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 07, 2022, 11:41:21 PM
I must be alone in thinking Winks is a decent player.

Even Tom Hanks had Wilson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2022, 05:23:27 AM
It's not that he's bad, he's just not particularly good either. I genuinely have no idea what he does well.


He’s a water carrier with a hole in his bucket.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 08, 2022, 07:53:49 AM
With regards Grealish to Spurs - when the deal was done and agreed, Spurs decided to change their offer at the last minute. and offered a Million pounds less than had been agreed - and that is the reason that Villa decided not to sell Grealish to Spurs
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 08, 2022, 07:55:52 AM
I must be alone in thinking Winks is a decent player. Always looked pretty competent when I’ve seen him play, including in an England shirt. If Gerrard is looking for technically good players who can move the ball quickly and accurately to help us retain better possession, then he fits the bill. I’m not convinced he is significantly better than what we have already, but he’s not a bad player, and still a good age at 26.

Gerrard wants someone who is a presence and "athletic" and tenacious for the CM role

Got a hunch that his main target is Gallagher and were waiting on Chelsea to green light a move
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 07:58:30 AM
I must be alone in thinking Winks is a decent player. Always looked pretty competent when I’ve seen him play, including in an England shirt. If Gerrard is looking for technically good players who can move the ball quickly and accurately to help us retain better possession, then he fits the bill. I’m not convinced he is significantly better than what we have already, but he’s not a bad player, and still a good age at 26.

Gerrard wants someone who is a presence and "athletic" and tenacious for the CM role

Got a hunch that his main target is Gallagher and were waiting on Chelsea to green light a move

Oh yes please, that would be lovely
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 08, 2022, 08:00:45 AM
With regards Grealish to Spurs - when the deal was done and agreed, Spurs decided to change their offer at the last minute. and offered a Million pounds less than had been agreed - and that is the reason that Villa decided not to sell Grealish to Spurs

I've not heard this, I always thought that the new owners took one look at the deal and said we weren't selling a prized asset. Where have you heard this from? I'd like to hear more if this is from a good source.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2022, 08:19:45 AM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2022, 08:25:18 AM
I must be alone in thinking Winks is a decent player. Always looked pretty competent when I’ve seen him play, including in an England shirt. If Gerrard is looking for technically good players who can move the ball quickly and accurately to help us retain better possession, then he fits the bill. I’m not convinced he is significantly better than what we have already, but he’s not a bad player, and still a good age at 26.

Gerrard wants someone who is a presence and "athletic" and tenacious for the CM role

Got a hunch that his main target is Gallagher and were waiting on Chelsea to green light a move

Oh yes please, that would be lovely

Agreed, he looks very good indeed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2022, 08:27:08 AM
With regards Grealish to Spurs - when the deal was done and agreed, Spurs decided to change their offer at the last minute. and offered a Million pounds less than had been agreed - and that is the reason that Villa decided not to sell Grealish to Spurs

I've not heard this, I always thought that the new owners took one look at the deal and said we weren't selling a prized asset. Where have you heard this from? I'd like to hear more if this is from a good source.

I thought the main reason was, the new owners came in meaning we didn't have to sell. Bearing in mind we were a tad skint at the time, I can't imagine it would have been for the reason Sid said but you never know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2022, 08:35:32 AM
Wasn't it £3m plus Onomah they reportedly offered? Hard to see that the new owners would have accepted that even if it was a million quid more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2022, 08:45:05 AM
Wasn't it £3m plus Onomah they reportedly offered? Hard to see that the new owners would have accepted that even if it was a million quid more.

Very Daniel Levy.  The reason Richardson was signed, on the day he was signed, was because Everton needed the cash in this year’s accounts.  Whilst the qualities of Richarlison can be debated you just know Levy was treating the deal like a fire-sale trying to squeeze Everton in every way possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 08, 2022, 08:49:20 AM
Wasn't it £3m plus Onomah they reportedly offered? Hard to see that the new owners would have accepted that even if it was a million quid more.

Very Daniel Levy.  The reason Richardson was signed, on the day he was signed, was because Everton needed the cash in this year’s accounts.  Whilst the qualities of Richarlison can be debated you just know Levy was treating the deal like a fire-sale trying to squeeze Everton in every way possible.

A bit like us with Coutinho! With FFP our owner's biggest limitation in getting us up the table, you have to take every advantage you can in the transfer market. Spurs have done this really well over the last ten years which has enabled them to stay up in that top 6.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2022, 09:29:42 AM
Linked with Konrad Laimer. Reading about him, he sounds really good. Going into the last year of his contract too so the talk is of a £20m price tag.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 08, 2022, 09:45:24 AM
Linked with Konrad Laimer. Reading about him, he sounds really good. Going into the last year of his contract too so the talk is of a £20m price tag.

Never heard of him but Google suggest Bayern are keen so must be decent.

The article I read said he’d agreed personal terms with Bayern but Leipzig want to sell abroad. Described as a Number 6.

If we sign two of them this window then surely we must sell Marvellous? Or does SG want a double pivot with Ramsey/mcGinn playing with less handbrake?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 08, 2022, 11:31:22 AM
From what I read, Bayern have had to pull out.

For the full-backs to provide the width, there's more defensive responsibilities for the midfielders so I think a lot of time that will effectively be a double pivot. Protect the centre backs better and retain the ball better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: WassallVillain on July 08, 2022, 11:43:52 AM
It's not that he's bad, he's just not particularly good either. I genuinely have no idea what he does well.

Anyway the press have linked us to him so I have no doubt what so ever that we are not in for him. We've proven time and time again that very few people out there know our next move.
agreed
from the games I've seen , a poor mans Douglas
Whenever I’ve seen him play he reminds me of a poor man’s Gareth Barry but that does set the bar quite high IMO.  I know it’s not a popular viewpoint but I quite like him.  As earlier poster said not bad but not good we’ve had plenty of those over the years who made great contributions to our successes. The steady Eddie water carrier should not be dismissed.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2022, 12:01:03 PM
Yes, but we've got plenty of those already. We have no bite, i mean McGinn has a go but can only really be compared to a Jack Russell, we need a Doberman Pinscher or a Pitbull. Luiz has about as much bite as a Chihuahua with no teeth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 08, 2022, 12:21:50 PM
The Luis Suarez deal to River Plate has collapsed so we may go back there if we were every interested. Not really the type of signing I'd have hoped for but owt's better than nowt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 12:46:39 PM
Fuck Suarez. Has Lewandowski gone anywhere yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 08, 2022, 12:55:52 PM
I love Lewandowski, £40m for a 34 year old though. No wonder Barcelona are in Financial ruin.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on July 08, 2022, 01:20:55 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news

Thankfully that appears to be a load of horlicks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 01:21:39 PM
Rumours that Winks is having a medical this afternoon

Well seems like it’s a good day to bury bad news

Thankfully that appears to be a load of horlicks.

Good, I can sleep better at night now
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 01:21:52 PM
Signing any players during or after the Australian tour isn't ideal, and if signed after, there's the risk of a settling in period.
I would have been delighted if transfer changes had been made prior to this commercial preseason tour.

It may do more harm than good in the long run and may be used for a reason if the season starts slowly or if any new players arrive and are not integrated as well as they could have been.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 08, 2022, 01:26:11 PM
Signing any players during or after the Australian tour isn't ideal, and if signed after, there's the risk of a settling in period.
I would have been delighted if transfer changes had been made prior to this commercial preseason tour.

It may do more harm than good in the long run and may be used for a reason if the season starts slowly or if any new players arrive and are not integrated as well as they could have been.
I agree, Footy.  I think a good part of Smith's undoing last season was down to having Grealish leave and Bailey and Ings join all so close to the start of the season.  Think both Bailey & Ings will look much better this coming season, purely through having a proper pre-season in them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2022, 01:36:42 PM
I wouldn't always read too much into settling in periods for players, some players just get straight into it and some sign early on and still don't get going. It can't be a bad thing for players coming from other countries to have a bit more time but it's not the be all and end all. I think in terms of working with team mates over a number of weeks so that everyone is on the same page, signing players early is a benefit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 08, 2022, 02:06:16 PM
We've already signed players for key roles. Bailey will have trained fully so should be good to go, Critchley will have had plenty of time with the current squad, who are clearly good enough to finish at least 9th (given that's where we would have been if the season had started when Gerrard did) and we're stronger than we were.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 08, 2022, 02:48:50 PM
I think even if you take the likes of El Ghazi, Davies and Sanson out, the squad currently looks the strongest it has since 2010. If we really want to see a difference though and match the apparent ambition of the board we still need a couple more, but i'm sure they'll come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on July 08, 2022, 03:09:41 PM
We definitely need someone in central midfield who doesn’t waste possession. The inability to keep the ball since we came back up has cost us. We have the ability to cause most teams an issue in the final 3rd but need to win that physical battle and then use the ball well in the middle of the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2022, 03:17:06 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?




You seem to live for conflict.  Of all the posts you pick out, this is todays?  I will indulge you just the once, Gomez is a decent player for where we are right now. However, having signed Carlos, we don’t need him anyway but there are people on here who seem to think he is Uber shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on July 08, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
Jack Wilshere retires. At least that is one waster we won’t be linked with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 08, 2022, 03:26:50 PM
Jack Wilshere retires. At least that is one waster we won’t be linked with.

Is he injured or just not willing to play at the level that his current ability matches?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?




You seem to live for conflict.  Of all the posts you pick out, this is todays?  I will indulge you just the once, Gomez is a decent player for where we are right now. However, having signed Carlos, we don’t need him anyway but there are people on here who seem to think he is Uber shit.

He is. So is John Stones. Playing for a good team doesn't mean you're a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2022, 04:56:59 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?




You seem to live for conflict.  Of all the posts you pick out, this is todays?  I will indulge you just the once, Gomez is a decent player for where we are right now. However, having signed Carlos, we don’t need him anyway but there are people on here who seem to think he is Uber shit.

Yes, but people are allowed to think he's utter shite if they wish. You might think he's decent, some might think he's cack. What's the problem with that? That's how forum's work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 05:02:20 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?




You seem to live for conflict.  Of all the posts you pick out, this is todays?  I will indulge you just the once, Gomez is a decent player for where we are right now. However, having signed Carlos, we don’t need him anyway but there are people on here who seem to think he is Uber shit.

He is. So is John Stones. Playing for a good team doesn't mean you're a good player.

I'll introduce  Harry Maguire, an English international plodder priced at £80m.
Makes more errors than Mings yet he's still kept in the national team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 08, 2022, 05:08:08 PM
I was going to say Maguire, mate, but was concerned people might think I believed he played for a good club. 🙂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 08, 2022, 05:32:18 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 08, 2022, 05:40:14 PM
I was going to say Maguire, mate, but was concerned people might think I believed he played for a good club. 🙂
CDs on fire! Very good!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 08, 2022, 06:53:55 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)

He's apparently beefed up over the summer and the staff are impressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2022, 06:59:48 PM
Well it ain't gonna be Joe Gomez

Punches the air

What has happened to Gomez?

Signed a new contract for five years. He’s playing for one of the best football clubs in the world and has a long-term contract yet people on here don’t rate him.

What's wrong with some people not rating a certain player?




You seem to live for conflict.  Of all the posts you pick out, this is todays?  I will indulge you just the once, Gomez is a decent player for where we are right now. However, having signed Carlos, we don’t need him anyway but there are people on here who seem to think he is Uber shit.

He is. So is John Stones. Playing for a good team doesn't mean you're a good player.

I'll introduce  Harry Maguire, an English international plodder priced at £80m.
Makes more errors than Mings yet he's still kept in the national team.

Well, that's me told!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 08, 2022, 07:03:12 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)

He's apparently beefed up over the summer and the staff are impressed.

We should see him tomorrow, I hope.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 08, 2022, 07:57:36 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)

He's apparently beefed up over the summer and the staff are impressed.

We should see him tomorrow, I hope.
May be a case of having a slow transition over this season from Young to Chrisenne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 09, 2022, 06:56:39 AM
We definitely need someone in central midfield who doesn’t waste possession. The inability to keep the ball since we came back up has cost us. We have the ability to cause most teams an issue in the final 3rd but need to win that physical battle and then use the ball well in the middle of the pitch.

This  totally. Arsenal at home this season. They made keeping the ball in the middle of the park look easy. Our midfield just weren't at the races
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2022, 01:43:57 PM
I still think we’ll invest big in one more and that will be someone as described above who can look after the ball better, we just don’t do it well enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2022, 01:53:34 PM
Tammy in the crowd at Walsall. Ready to sign, there to watch his brother or both?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 09, 2022, 02:41:06 PM
Oooh, I'd like that. Though I'm sure he's another one who'd soon not be able to hit a barn door.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2022, 03:06:15 PM
Tammy would be a massive upgrade to our attacking options. But it would mean selling Ings. A top forward and one more excellent CM, a solid back up LB and we are in a very good spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 09, 2022, 03:19:15 PM
Tammy would be a massive upgrade to our attacking options. But it would mean selling Ings. A top forward and one more excellent CM, a solid back up LB and we are in a very good spot.

Couple of things; does the cost justify the upgrade?  Tammy wouldn't be cheap. How much would we get for Ings or Watkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2022, 03:24:07 PM
Not sure but better is better. We’d be buying him from Roma so there won’t be the PL inflation tied to him. But easily £40-50m I would say. Personally I would like Tammy, Cam, Ollie as my primary options if we sold Ings. Or keep Ings, send Cam out on loan, and then Cam returns to replace Ings next season. Ings probably raises £10m. He’s not finished at PL level and I still think at a lower half team as first choice he’s getting 10 PL goals at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 09, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
Tammy is a quality goal scorer but I’m not sure he does much else. Wouldn’t be fussed about bringing him in and offloading Watkins or Ings but if Archer is loaned out then maybe. If we’re bringing someone in though I’d prefer someone with more in their locker overall.
I didn’t see him play last season though, I’ll admit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 09, 2022, 06:46:10 PM
Tammy in the crowd at Walsall. Ready to sign, there to watch his brother or both?

Ah, that makes sense, I was saying to my kid, “doesnt their centre forward look like Tammy Abraham”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 09, 2022, 09:42:41 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)

He's apparently beefed up over the summer and the staff are impressed.

We should see him tomorrow, I hope.
May be a case of having a slow transition over this season from Young to Chrisenne.

According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 09, 2022, 10:07:26 PM
Ben Chrisene says he’s competing with Lucas Digne for the shirt. I know he’s really well thought of, so it will be interesting if he stays to compete knowing we also have Young, or whether we let him go on loan.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/08/chrisene-relishing-pre-season-with-the-first-team/)

He's apparently beefed up over the summer and the staff are impressed.

We should see him tomorrow, I hope.
May be a case of having a slow transition over this season from Young to Chrisenne.

According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.

Weirdly, the US NFL Fantasy Football guy I follow on Twitter also happens to be a Villa nut and he was saying it's likely we will sign Augustinsson and loan out Chrisene
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 09, 2022, 10:12:29 PM
I think that's probably a good idea, Chrisene looks like he has the ability and physique to be a very good full back but he needs experience now and he'll struggle to get that behind Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 09, 2022, 10:40:48 PM
 I suspect some players will be left out of the squad that will travel to Australia for pre-season training. This allows them to look for clubs, if they are not to be a part of the plans then makes sense. And SG and coaching team can focus on the relevant players for the squad.
I don't think it's sense or fair to take any established player who isn't to be fully involved and is likely to leave.

The younger players, on the other hand, could be a part of things and go along for the whole experience, before being assessed and loaned out.
That seems like a good way to work things out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2022, 10:50:02 PM
Looks like we have indeed agreed a deal to sign Ludwig Augustinsson the Sevilla and Sweden LB with an option to buy.

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1545884838376476673?s=21&t=hoMZFis3RVMwjvZWjM5p



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 09, 2022, 10:52:52 PM
According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.

Main reservation is it could be a tricky one for the songsters, I'm going with "This is the dawning of the age of Augustinsson....."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 09, 2022, 10:55:56 PM
46 caps for Sweden. So while they might not be as talented as in past years we now have as back ups the Swedish number 1 keeper and seemingly the current LB.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 09, 2022, 11:03:39 PM
He has a great name.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 09, 2022, 11:19:16 PM
According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.

Main reservation is it could be a tricky one for the songsters, I'm going with "This is the dawning of the age of Augustinsson....."

I did it to the Depeche Mode, ‘Just can’t get enough’  all ‘de, de’ with the ending ‘August-in-sson’
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2022, 07:35:18 AM
We could all whistle this and then go "Ah Ludwig" at the end. Bound to catch on.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2022, 08:44:25 AM
According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.

Main reservation is it could be a tricky one for the songsters, I'm going with "This is the dawning of the age of Augustinsson....."

"One Augustinsson" is my prediction.

Although I'd prefer "Gimme an A".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 10, 2022, 08:45:03 AM
According to third-party sources, a former FC København and current Sweden international, left back, signing is on the way. Ludwig Augustinsson.

Main reservation is it could be a tricky one for the songsters, I'm going with "This is the dawning of the age of Augustinsson....."

I did it to the Depeche Mode, ‘Just can’t get enough’  all ‘de, de’ with the ending ‘August-in-sson’

You have to pick one of the songs I don't like by my favourite ever band.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 10, 2022, 09:07:39 AM
We could all whistle this and then go "Ah Ludwig" at the end. Bound to catch on.



That's brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2022, 09:21:16 AM
Looks like we have indeed agreed a deal to sign Ludwig Augustinsson the Sevilla and Sweden LB with an option to buy.

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1545884838376476673?s=21&t=hoMZFis3RVMwjvZWjM5p





Looks like Digne mark II, gets forward and can cross a ball.  Good signing on that evidence
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on July 10, 2022, 09:24:39 AM
Swedish defenders are usually very solid doing their job, a lot to like about Augustinsson. I feel like we need a back up like this at RB also, even someone to challenge Matty when becoming a top 7 side again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 10, 2022, 09:27:36 AM
Swedish defenders are usually very solid doing their job, a lot to like about Augustinsson. I feel like we need a back up like this at RB also, even someone to challenge Matty when becoming a top 7 side again.

I would imagine that will be Hayden
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2022, 09:29:07 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2022, 09:30:25 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 10, 2022, 09:33:31 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!
We'd have the most expensive* pair of fullbacks in the league of they were both playing



* In terms of getting their names printed on the back of a shirt
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2022, 09:34:50 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!

You could get one of each.😋 Home and away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 10, 2022, 09:35:41 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!
We'd have the most expensive* pair of fullbacks in the league of they were both playing



* In terms of getting their names printed on the back of a shirt

It’s a set price per name now I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 10, 2022, 09:36:22 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!
We'd have the most expensive* pair of fullbacks in the league of they were both playing



* In terms of getting their names printed on the back of a shirt

You could abbreviate them to … KKH and Aug’son 👍
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2022, 09:40:32 AM
It's going to cost a fortune having that name put on the back of your shirt.

Same cost as Kessler Hayden!
We'd have the most expensive* pair of fullbacks in the league of they were both playing



* In terms of getting their names printed on the back of a shirt

It’s a set price per name now I think.

I'd feel ripped off if I had an Asian name like N'g but would be chuffed to bits if it was something like Van Hennegoor of Hesselink.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2022, 10:13:24 AM
I did it to the Depeche Mode, ‘Just can’t get enough’  all ‘de, de’ with the ending ‘August-in-sson’

You have to pick one of the songs I don't like by my favourite ever band.

To be fair to Nigel it's probably a bit easier for Arsenal fans to pick a DM song you like with Gabriel Jesus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2022, 10:26:47 AM
So, it looks like the plan is Young as RB cover next season with KKH planned for the season after all being well and this guy as cover for LB next season with Chrisene the season after all being well, but the option to buy there if we see that as the better option at that point.

CB wise, I can see one of Konsa or Hause going, Hause even possibly on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 10, 2022, 10:29:16 AM
We've still got Guilbert, and I hope he's given a chance by Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2022, 10:40:19 AM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 10, 2022, 10:42:11 AM
I did it to the Depeche Mode, ‘Just can’t get enough’  all ‘de, de’ with the ending ‘August-in-sson’

You have to pick one of the songs I don't like by my favourite ever band.

To be fair to Nigel it's probably a bit easier for Arsenal fans to pick a DM song you like with Gabriel Jesus.

'Behind the Phil' is stretching it a bit I suppose.

If David O'Leary had his way we could've had Policy of Huth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 10, 2022, 10:43:20 AM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).

He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2022, 10:44:02 AM
To answer both of you, i like Guilbert too as a back up player and on the face of it he might have been a better bet for next season than Young but i'd suspect, reading between the lines that Guilbert is a sulker who isn't going to happy sitting on the bench and that Young is ok with that and brings a much more positive vibe to the dressing room plus lots of experience. If that's the case then it's the right call for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 10, 2022, 10:49:28 AM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 10, 2022, 11:51:43 AM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).

Strange, I see him as more of a facilitator.  Chuk has mentioned how he has been a mentor and Gerrard suggests he sets a high bar during training etc.  In my mind he is player/coach rather than a reserve.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 10, 2022, 11:54:36 AM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).

I think he’s Gerrard’s representative in the dressing room. He’s there to set the right example, pass on his experience and  provide cover for 2 or 3 positions when called on. He’s had a long and successful career by maximising his abilities and always being a team player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 10, 2022, 12:01:25 PM
What age is this cat, St Augustine ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on July 10, 2022, 12:02:24 PM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).

I think he’s Gerrard’s representative in the dressing room. He’s there to set the right example, pass on his experience and  provide cover for 2 or 3 positions when called on. He’s had a long and successful career by maximising his abilities and always being a team player.

I'm sure he's fine with it, but it makes me somewhat sad that Young went from being a hell of a winger to a utility full-back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 10, 2022, 12:13:44 PM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).

I wonder if it’s because Carney has mentioned he’s a big influence for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 10, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).

I think he’s Gerrard’s representative in the dressing room. He’s there to set the right example, pass on his experience and  provide cover for 2 or 3 positions when called on. He’s had a long and successful career by maximising his abilities and always being a team player.

I'm sure he's fine with it, but it makes me somewhat sad that Young went from being a hell of a winger to a utility full-back.

Circumstances dictate, not least his age.
A lot of players are finished at 33/34.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on July 10, 2022, 01:45:26 PM
What age is this cat, St Augustine ?

When I looked him up last night I think it said he was twenty-eight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 10, 2022, 02:06:17 PM
Loan with an option to buy for £4.5m for a Swedish regular who played a lot of games for Sevilla last season looks like really good business.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 10, 2022, 04:48:15 PM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
He can play in several positions at a pinch, he sets a good example in training, he’s an experienced voice in the dressing room, Gerrard trusts him, and he doesn’t cost the earth.
Your keys words are 'at a pinch'.
Also, do we know how much he costs?


(I'm not too hung up about this, btw, but I do want to see players progress in the squad without an old 'blocker' in the way).

I think he’s Gerrard’s representative in the dressing room. He’s there to set the right example, pass on his experience and  provide cover for 2 or 3 positions when called on. He’s had a long and successful career by maximising his abilities and always being a team player.

I'm sure he's fine with it, but it makes me somewhat sad that Young went from being a hell of a winger to a utility full-back.

Circumstances dictate, not least his age.
A lot of players are finished at 33/34.

I suspect he has been given a contract simply because of the encouragement he gives to the youngsters, both on and off the pitch.  I expect he’s taken the contract knowing he will have little game time but is developing his pathway to coaching and management.  So all in all a no brainer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 09:11:41 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 09:19:48 PM
What is the point of re-signing Young? - I don't see many instances where he'd be the right guy to start a game or even come on as sub.
I'm guessing it's the 'senior squad' member' argument (even though he now has Carlos and August in as experienced international footballers as role models to the younger players).
On the Ashley Young thread, it is explained. Your question was addressed by Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on July 10, 2022, 09:24:43 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
It may just be me - but I see these three as towards the top of the list of players to avoid. Played okay for teams that couldn't compete in the premier league. Or sat on the bench a lot for a team that did compete. On that latter basis it is possible that Winks may have something but there must be better options than him and the other two surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 09:27:00 PM
Augustinsson And Chambers at their previous clubs weren't even automatic starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2022, 09:31:48 PM
Augustinsson And Chambers at their previous clubs weren't even automatic starters.

I might have missed the point here?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on July 10, 2022, 09:32:09 PM
Augustinsson And Chambers at their previous clubs weren't even automatic starters.
And their fees ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2022, 09:35:45 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

It may just be me - but I see these three as towards the top of the list of players to avoid.

I agree with you. The weather is glorious today so I think F-V might have had a cheeky Sunday vino or two and why not?  8)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 09:48:06 PM
Augustinsson And Chambers at their previous clubs weren't even automatic starters.
And their fees ?
Well, those in comparison are undoubtedly wise financial decisions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 09:57:22 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

It may just be me - but I see these three as towards the top of the list of players to avoid.

I agree with you. The weather is glorious today so I think F-V might have had a cheeky Sunday vino or two and why not?  8)
That those three players are at the top of the list to avoid out of ALL the players in the world just seems people being cruel to me. However, I understand your reasoning regarding Berge, Winks and Dennis. And respect that despite harshness on my suggested selections (as they are players we've been linked with).

Moving to the side then of this then.
So acording to what I've heard, unvaccinated players are the ones to stay away from the most.
One of them is supposedly Ruben Loftus Cheek at Chelsea.
There are Premier League clubs who are unable to move on players due to their unvaccinated status.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 10, 2022, 10:03:37 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 10:12:55 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.

Because of this debate, I brought up Chambers and Augustinsson, who are good level competitors but not necessarily better than what we already have.
Bissouma, Phillips, and Nunez would have been fantastic choices, but we must be practical.
Berge or Winks and Dennis.
Shelvey or Brownhill and Pukki.
I would prefer higher calibre but all these players have some calibre and use to our squad.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 10, 2022, 10:16:28 PM
Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 10, 2022, 10:39:09 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
Berge is decent, not sure he’s any better than anything we have tho.  Winks is a modern day Jamie O’Hara - overrated & will find natural level at Orient standard in 3/4 years.  Dennis was a decent player in a dreadfully poor and gutless team, would happily stick with the 4 we have over him.

Because of this debate, I brought up Chambers and Augustinsson, who are good level competitors but not necessarily better than what we already have.
Bissouma, Phillips, and Nunez would have been fantastic choices, but we must be practical.
Berge or Winks and Dennis.
Shelvey or Brownhill and Pukki.
I would prefer higher calibre but all these players have some calibre and use to our squad.

'Some use to our squad' players are those like Young, Chambers, Olsen and Augustinsson who will have cost us a total of a few million in loan fees. The 3 you've listed would be, if your prices are correct, £75m. That's why people are taking the piss, spending that money should see players come in who do more than fill gaps in the squad and put some pressure on the players in front of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 10, 2022, 11:38:59 PM
It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 10, 2022, 11:51:19 PM
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

Newcastle were linked with him earlier in the window so they're probably one of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 11, 2022, 06:35:14 AM
It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

The issue is that in the positions these players ply their trade, we need definite improvements on what we have already. These three don't give us that at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 06:53:51 AM
It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

The issue is that in the positions these players ply their trade, we need definite improvements on what we have already. These three don't give us that at all.

Yep, exactly. For free or small fees those ard the dort of players you look at to add depth where we have quality in front of them but no one in the youth side ready to compete.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 11, 2022, 07:59:53 AM
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!

Newcastle were linked with him earlier in the window so they're probably one of them.

He plays in a position where we’re well covered with hopefully top performers in Coutinho and Buendia. We didn’t get them both in the same team consistently last season so adding another would complicate matter still further.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 11, 2022, 09:26:33 AM
Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on July 11, 2022, 09:40:18 AM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.


That would be a seriously shit transfer list. The type I'd expect back in the O'Neill days of wasting sums on bang average players unable to help us push on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 11, 2022, 10:17:55 AM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.
They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.
That would be a seriously shit transfer list. The type I'd expect back in the O'Neill days of wasting sums on bang average players unable to help us push on.
Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 11, 2022, 10:47:31 AM
Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.
Agree with this 100% good summary of our approach since Dean Smith left
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 11, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Others have said, but the thing with Augustinsson, Olsen, and Chambers is that they've all been really cheap, I think £7.5m or thereabouts for the 3 off the top of my head.  They've cost much less than we've sold a couple of our other squad players for (Trez and Targett).  The squad is stronger, and we're up financially.

If we're looking at fees north of £20m, I'd want a player who's expected to be in the starting 11 - not someone who's there to provide competition.  Cos, evidently, Lange is a man who knows how to achieve that for a much lower financial outlay.

£500k loan fee for Augustinsson, Chambers was free as his contract expired this summer and Arsenal were happy for him to move early and Olsen is meant to have cost £3m.

So even cheaper...£3.5m. Paid for by moving Trez on.

Kamara on a free. £17m for a player who once cost £146m. Some really clever business being done by the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 11, 2022, 12:25:37 PM
Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

That's a really good point actually.  The aim with recruitment should always be to improve the first eleven, BUT, there does come a point where you're not going to get better than the player already in the first eleven without European football.  We now have a few of those in place.  We're not getting better than Digne, Cash, Big Emi, Coutinho, Kamara, and a few others without offering European football (I don't believe so, anyway).  That's at least half the first eleven it would be difficult to improve on at our current stage of development

In other positions, absolutely, we can get better than we have right now, but in those positions where our first-choice is already very strong, it makes perfect sense to recruit back-ups, who won't demand a first-team place.  It strengthens the squad, if not the first-eleven.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 11, 2022, 12:32:47 PM
It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!



Sander Berge looked really good in his first season at Sheff Utd.  Very comfortable in the middle of the park in the Premier League, even at 22, and pretty mobile for a big unit.  He does however seem to have stalled somewhat in the last year or so.  I fully expected him to leave when they got relegated, but he stayed and doesn't appear to have set the Championship alight (where you'd expect someone of his size and ability to dominate games)

I'm not sure he's better than what we have now.  Certainly not at £20m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on July 11, 2022, 12:34:25 PM
One of £25m Sander Berge, £20m Harry Winks at midfield
And £20m Emmanuel Dennis, as a forward.

They would all likely increase the fight for first team positions and ensure that there was no quality loss when they are rotated in and out. They would be  providing a challenge to what we have in the squad and are realistic targets, who are available at suitable transfer prices.

Have I woke up in 2019?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2022, 12:38:16 PM
Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

That's a really good point actually.  The aim with recruitment should always be to improve the first eleven, BUT, there does come a point where you're not going to get better than the player already in the first eleven without European football.  We now have a few of those in place.  We're not getting better than Digne, Cash, Big Emi, Coutinho, Kamara, and a few others without offering European football (I don't believe so, anyway).  That's at least half the first eleven it would be difficult to improve on at our current stage of development

In other positions, absolutely, we can get better than we have right now, but in those positions where our first-choice is already very strong, it makes perfect sense to recruit back-ups, who won't demand a first-team place.  It strengthens the squad, if not the first-eleven.

I know you said a few others but Martinez deserved a specific mention there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 12:39:32 PM
It was either a Berge or a Winks and Dennis.
So £40-45m for two players, but there we go.

On players who would improve the first team well
the Lyon president confirms club have received offers from Premier league clubs for Lucas Paqueta. Now that would be great if Villa were in for him!



Sander Berge looked really good in his first season at Sheff Utd.  Very comfortable in the middle of the park in the Premier League, even at 22, and pretty mobile for a big unit.  He does however seem to have stalled somewhat in the last year or so.  I fully expected him to leave when they got relegated, but he stayed and doesn't appear to have set the Championship alight (where you'd expect someone of his size and ability to dominate games)

I'm not sure he's better than what we have now.  Certainly not at £20m.

I like Berge but he looks like a player who realised he made a mistake with the transfer and is a bit pissed off they made him stick around and is going through the motions. Unfortunately that attitude puts me off so I think he'd be a massive risk now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 11, 2022, 12:43:38 PM
We really don't need Berge at all. He wouldn't add anything.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 12:51:02 PM
We really don't need Berge at all. He wouldn't add anything.

He'd add some height and physicality, which could be useful, but he'd be a fair way down my shopping list for that and I'd worry that Tim would take his spot within a year anyway because he is a bit one-dimensional.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 11, 2022, 12:55:07 PM
Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

That's a really good point actually.  The aim with recruitment should always be to improve the first eleven, BUT, there does come a point where you're not going to get better than the player already in the first eleven without European football.  We now have a few of those in place.  We're not getting better than Digne, Cash, Big Emi, Coutinho, Kamara, and a few others without offering European football (I don't believe so, anyway).  That's at least half the first eleven it would be difficult to improve on at our current stage of development

In other positions, absolutely, we can get better than we have right now, but in those positions where our first-choice is already very strong, it makes perfect sense to recruit back-ups, who won't demand a first-team place.  It strengthens the squad, if not the first-eleven.

I know you said a few others but Martinez deserved a specific mention there.

He mentioned Big Emi.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 01:02:00 PM
Well Cash is developing really well and Digne is a French international and was signed as the starting left back. I don’t think the intent is to sign better than our first choices here.

That's a really good point actually.  The aim with recruitment should always be to improve the first eleven, BUT, there does come a point where you're not going to get better than the player already in the first eleven without European football.  We now have a few of those in place.  We're not getting better than Digne, Cash, Big Emi, Coutinho, Kamara, and a few others without offering European football (I don't believe so, anyway).  That's at least half the first eleven it would be difficult to improve on at our current stage of development

In other positions, absolutely, we can get better than we have right now, but in those positions where our first-choice is already very strong, it makes perfect sense to recruit back-ups, who won't demand a first-team place.  It strengthens the squad, if not the first-eleven.

I know you said a few others but Martinez deserved a specific mention there.

He mentioned Big Emi.

With the signings we've made there's only really 3 spots that I think are in question right now (and not by everyone) as our 'best' 11.

Emi
Cash
Carlos
Mings *
Digne
Kamara
McGinn *
Ramsey
Buendia
Coutinho
Watkins *

Personally I think Mings is fine and I'd like Watkins to get a chance in front of a proper midfield where his movement is read better and he's spending less time controlling balls punted into him from the defence. McGinn is a tyough one, I stil lreally like him as a player but I'm not sure how well he fits in alongside the other 2 who are definite starters in most games for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 11, 2022, 01:16:29 PM
I think the difficulty is that we've no idea whether Carlos and Kamara will be shoe-in for a place yet. It's more likely with Carlos I think, but Kamara will take time to settle in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 01:21:36 PM
I think the difficulty is that we've no idea whether Carlos and Kamara will be shoe-in for a place yet. It's more likely with Carlos I think, but Kamara will take time to settle in.

No, of course but we have to consider them as such until we see how they do, both were clearly signed to be first team players not cover or players to develop over a year or 2. Kamara gets  abit more time to settle given his age but Carlos needs to settle fast and become undroppable to justify the signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 11, 2022, 01:31:15 PM
I'd give Sanson a run of 10 starts in place of McGinn to finally see what he can do. Unlikely to happen, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 11, 2022, 02:16:13 PM
I'd give Sanson a run of 10 starts in place of McGinn to finally see what he can do. Unlikely to happen, unfortunately.
It was frustrating last season he wasn't even getting a game when we looked short or payers were out of form, so I just can't see it happening.  It's a shame as he looks very good to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 11, 2022, 02:18:53 PM
I'd give Sanson a run of 10 starts in place of McGinn to finally see what he can do. Unlikely to happen, unfortunately.

100% this
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 11, 2022, 02:42:13 PM
Yes I am another who can’t understand the Sanson thing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2022, 02:48:29 PM
It must be something off the field because every time he's played he's looked more than good enough to be a regular.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 11, 2022, 02:56:15 PM
So that's the left-back cover sorted, looks like it's just another central midfielder to go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 11, 2022, 03:03:01 PM
Sinisalo's gone out on loan to Burton Albion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 11, 2022, 03:10:10 PM
It must be something off the field because every time he's played he's looked more than good enough to be a regular.

Could well be. Gerrard said he was going to be a big player for us when he first got the job, so I think he was strongly encouraged at the interview to get the best out of him. So I think there was no lack of willing from Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2022, 04:30:36 PM
Sanson for me is like Bailey.

Needs a full pre season and a new start.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2022, 04:38:14 PM
I've not really seen anything from him to make me think he could help to push us up to the European places even if he finally got his shit together, and i really think that's unlikely as we're 18 months down the road already with 2 different managers. I think he fits into the category of most of the players we've signed from France in that the talent is there but maybe not the physicality and possibly even the right attitude. Being in direct competition with Luiz last season you'd have thought he'd have had more chances but didn't which is odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 11, 2022, 06:24:28 PM
starting midfielder now for me to replace one of McGinn or Luiz, or at minimum challenge them for one of the spots. And ideally a better striker than what we have on the books. That's it really
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 06:56:41 PM
It must be something off the field because every time he's played he's looked more than good enough to be a regular.

Could well be. Gerrard said he was going to be a big player for us when he first got the job, so I think he was strongly encouraged at the interview to get the best out of him. So I think there was no lack of willing from Gerrard.


Head coaches, both past and current, do not appear to be overly fond of having players who are of high quality but are not their first choice or imposed upon them

Sanson was an old Lange signing.
Guilbert.
Like Augustinsson and Olsen.

It was interesting we held talks with Burnley defender James Tarkowski. Would he have been SG or Lange preferrence?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 11, 2022, 07:08:53 PM
Sanson for me is like Bailey.

Needs a full pre season and a new start.
a new club?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2022, 07:34:45 PM
It must be something off the field because every time he's played he's looked more than good enough to be a regular.

Could well be. Gerrard said he was going to be a big player for us when he first got the job, so I think he was strongly encouraged at the interview to get the best out of him. So I think there was no lack of willing from Gerrard.


Head coaches, both past and current, do not appear to be overly fond of having players who are of high quality but are not their first choice or imposed upon them

Sanson was an old Lange signing.
Guilbert.
Like Augustinsson and Olsen.

It was interesting we held talks with Burnley defender James Tarkowski. Would he have been SG or Lange preferrence?

That doesn't stand up to even the lightest of scrutiny.

Buendia? Gerrard loves him. Bailey? Seems to be a fan, too. What about all the other players with us that he didn't sign? McGinn and Luiz who must have started 95% of games under SG?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2022, 07:43:12 PM
I'm looking forward to see who the central midfielder is, when we make our move. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 07:43:50 PM
When I refer to imposed players, I refer to those who have been signed by non-footballing people.
Those recommendations and signings are frequently doomed.
I didn't mean to refer to previous regimes' signings not being embraced because they weren't signed by current manager. And yes I do feel some transfers are favoured by sporting directors and coaches don't particularly embrace them all for one reason or another.
SG has been wise to embrace some players, but I stand by what I've been meaning to say about players not signed by the coach . Signed under last head coach, Sanson is an example of this as he isn't getting a look in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2022, 07:44:40 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 07:46:33 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.
What I'm trying to say about it as a possible factor with Lange and our past and present coach.
Other managers at other clubs have been disgruntled, disillusioned and undermined with such interference when comes to playing staff.
So I was putting that in as what I was trying to put across.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 11, 2022, 07:48:11 PM
Louis Barry off to MK Dons according to er, reliable sources, such as Newsnow. Loan deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 11, 2022, 07:49:27 PM
Think it’s quite an important season for Louie, I hope it works out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 11, 2022, 07:57:08 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?

Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.

I believe the phrase you're looking for is "Gareth Southgate".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 11, 2022, 08:03:12 PM
starting midfielder now for me to replace one of McGinn or Luiz, or at minimum challenge them for one of the spots. And ideally a better striker than what we have on the books. That's it really

Sanson
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 11, 2022, 08:04:19 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.
What I'm trying to say about it as a possible factor with Lange and our past and present coach.
Other managers at other clubs have been disgruntled, disillusioned and undermined with such interference when comes to playing staff.
So I was putting that in as what I was trying to put across.

Dean Smith made a point of meeting potential signings before they were approved, so I don’t think he had them imposed on him. If he didn’t judge them a good fit for the dressing room they didn’t come.

Sanson would be pretty unlucky to be ignored by Smith because he didn’t approve him and then ignored by Gerrard because he didn’t sign him. I don’t think either manager is that kind of person from what I’ve seen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 11, 2022, 08:07:44 PM
Transfer decisions have been a committee decision between Lange, Purslow and Smith/Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 11, 2022, 08:10:29 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.
What I'm trying to say about it as a possible factor with Lange and our past and present coach.
Other managers at other clubs have been disgruntled, disillusioned and undermined with such interference when comes to playing staff.
So I was putting that in as what I was trying to put across.

Dean Smith made a point of meeting potential signings before they were approved, so I don’t think he had them imposed on him. If he didn’t judge them a good fit for the dressing room they didn’t come.

Sanson would be pretty unlucky to be ignored by Smith because he didn’t approve him and then ignored by Gerrard because he didn’t sign him. I don’t think either manager is that kind of person from what I’ve seen.

Maybe, and I’ve got absolutely no evidence for this, but maybe Sanson is just a massive arsehole that is more trouble than he’s worth.
Played well on Saturday mind and was probably my pick as mom
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 09:14:55 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.
What I'm trying to say about it as a possible factor with Lange and our past and present coach.
Other managers at other clubs have been disgruntled, disillusioned and undermined with such interference when comes to playing staff.
So I was putting that in as what I was trying to put across.

Dean Smith made a point of meeting potential signings before they were approved, so I don’t think he had them imposed on him. If he didn’t judge them a good fit for the dressing room they didn’t come.

Sanson would be pretty unlucky to be ignored by Smith because he didn’t approve him and then ignored by Gerrard because he didn’t sign him. I don’t think either manager is that kind of person from what I’ve seen.

Maybe, and I’ve got absolutely no evidence for this, but maybe Sanson is just a massive arsehole that is more trouble than he’s worth.
Played well on Saturday mind and was probably my pick as mom
At Liverpool Roy Hodgson revealed Christian Purslow, Liverpool's former managing director, handed him a list of players to sell one summer and believes the team's improved form due his decision to ignore the businessman's advice.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 11, 2022, 09:21:13 PM
Non footballing people?

Like Lange, the acquisitions bloke Gerrard still works with?
Okay, I'm not sure what the best English is for this non-football coach.
What I'm trying to say about it as a possible factor with Lange and our past and present coach.
Other managers at other clubs have been disgruntled, disillusioned and undermined with such interference when comes to playing staff.
So I was putting that in as what I was trying to put across.

Dean Smith made a point of meeting potential signings before they were approved, so I don’t think he had them imposed on him. If he didn’t judge them a good fit for the dressing room they didn’t come.

Sanson would be pretty unlucky to be ignored by Smith because he didn’t approve him and then ignored by Gerrard because he didn’t sign him. I don’t think either manager is that kind of person from what I’ve seen.

Maybe, and I’ve got absolutely no evidence for this, but maybe Sanson is just a massive arsehole that is more trouble than he’s worth.
Played well on Saturday mind and was probably my pick as mom
At Liverpool Roy Hodgson revealed Christian Purslow, Liverpool's former managing director, handed him a list of players to sell one summer and believes the team's improved form due his decision to ignore the businessman's advice.

As Roy Hodgson never did particularly well at Liverpool I’d say that’s a 6 of one, half a dozen of the other argument….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 09:26:37 PM
Purslow was a Liverpool season ticket holder. He's the
chief executive at Aston Villa football club.
It seems he wanted to make the decision on the head coaches, and he thinks he's an expert on that decision.

What role does Lange have and what autonomy for players to play in Gerrard's playing style and the system's identity rather than a continuation for Aston Villa and our club's playing style, as SG  has only stated numerous times about playing in his style? Not about the club.
If Villa had continuity when replacing Smith, then we would have looked through Lange to implement a coach who would carry on progressing with the players that were bought, fitting a system with wide players like the £35m outlay for Bailey.
Anyway,
it makes one wonder what has been going on sometimes..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 11, 2022, 09:31:16 PM
Purslow was a Liverpool season ticket holder .
He's chief executive at Aston Villa football club
It seems he was wanting to make the decision on the head coaches, and he thinks he's an experts on that decision.
What Lange role for autonomy as really Gerrard has stated many times about his playing style and his system.

If Villa had continuity when replacing Smith then we would have looked through Lange to implement a coach who will carry on progressing with the players that were bought fitting a system with wide players that we have for example the outlay for Bailey.

Anyway makes wonder what has been going on sometimes.

And your evidence this is happening at Villa is…?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 09:32:46 PM
Who appointed Gerrard?
Would we rather have Lange making this recommendation or decision than Purslow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 11, 2022, 09:33:56 PM
Your massively over thinking it Footy, every transfer is a business transaction so owner, ceo, dof and mgr/coach play a part.  Every manager like everyone of us want to keep signing players but budgets etc have to be adhered to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 09:35:57 PM
Your massively over thinking it Footy, every transfer is a business transaction so owner, ceo, dof and mgr/coach play a part.  Every manager like everyone of us want to keep signing players but budgets etc have to be adhered to.
That's fair and reasonable comment as yes it's suggesting the complexities of it all. Ok. Will end that thinking to why Sanson isn't being selected
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 11, 2022, 09:37:36 PM
Purslow was a Liverpool season ticket holder. He's the
chief executive at Aston Villa football club.
It seems he wanted to make the decision on the head coaches, and he thinks he's an expert on that decision.

What role does autonomy play in Gerrard's playing style and his system's identity for Aston Villa and our club's playing style, as he has stated numerous times?
If Villa had continuity when replacing Smith, then we would have looked through Lange to implement a coach who would carry on progressing with the players that were bought, fitting a system with wide players like the £35m outlay for Bailey.
Anyway,
it makes one wonder what has been going on sometimes..

The wide player continuity argument about Gerrard doesn't really stack up. Firstly, Smith wasn't routinely playing 4-3-3, (as I've posted before), in his 11 games, he played 4-4-2, 4-4-3, 5-3-2, 3-4-3 and 4-2-3-1. Our wide play in the 20/21 season was based almost entirely Grealish for it to be a success. He so good, it gave lesser players like El Ghazi much more space. The players bought to replace him didn't fit into that 4-3-3 nearly as well. Ings is an out and out striker, Buendia lacks pace and Bailey was either injured or seemingly scared of being injured again. We weren't playing with a successful front three when Smith got sacked, and Gerrard inherited an injured Traore, an out of form and soon to be injured Bailey, and El Ghazi and Trez who aren't really good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 11, 2022, 09:51:17 PM
I’m sure you’re a good sort and I do like your enthusiasm for Aston Villa but fuck me, you really are rabbiting on tonight footie!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 11, 2022, 10:23:50 PM
Point taken CWG. Rabbit and Pork thou?
I'll be on retreat from Sunday till end of August!
Good night and may your God go with you
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 11, 2022, 10:35:02 PM
Who appointed Gerrard?
Would we rather have Lange making this recommendation or decision than Purslow.

False dichotomy
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 12, 2022, 07:49:42 AM
Louis Barry off to MK Dons according to er, reliable sources, such as Newsnow. Loan deal.

NewsNow isn't a source of news, it aggregates it from other places, most of which are clickbait nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 12, 2022, 10:20:54 AM
Purslow was a Liverpool season ticket holder. He's the
chief executive at Aston Villa football club.

He was the Managing Director at Liverpool.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2022, 11:26:56 AM
Louis Barry off to MK Dons according to er, reliable sources, such as Newsnow. Loan deal.

NewsNow isn't a source of news, it aggregates it from other places, most of which are clickbait nonsense.

Hence, less than reliable. Although, on this occasion they got it right! Yay.  Good luck Louis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2022, 11:36:05 AM
"They" didn't get anything right or wrong. Some of the stories on their site may have done. Crediting or blaming them is like saying the newsagent got it right or wrong if you read a story in a paper you bought from there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 12, 2022, 07:23:11 PM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2022, 08:51:24 PM
"They" didn't get anything right or wrong. Some of the stories on their site may have done. Crediting or blaming them is like saying the newsagent got it right or wrong if you read a story in a paper you bought from there.

I really do honestly know how it works. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 12, 2022, 09:18:08 PM
Well he’s definitely gone on loan to MK
Will be handy for me to keep tabs on him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 12, 2022, 09:25:05 PM
"They" didn't get anything right or wrong. Some of the stories on their site may have done. Crediting or blaming them is like saying the newsagent got it right or wrong if you read a story in a paper you bought from there.

I really do honestly know how it works.

No worries, apologies. It was more a general post for people I've seen saying similar then aimed at you, and came across as stroppier sounding than I had intended.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on July 12, 2022, 10:03:09 PM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys
Interesting, thanks Vinnie.
When you say top, I hope that means TOP !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2022, 10:05:06 PM
"They" didn't get anything right or wrong. Some of the stories on their site may have done. Crediting or blaming them is like saying the newsagent got it right or wrong if you read a story in a paper you bought from there.

I really do honestly know how it works.

No worries, apologies. It was more a general post for people I've seen saying similar then aimed at you, and came across as stroppier sounding than I had intended.

No worries CD. 😎
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 12, 2022, 10:59:26 PM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys
Interesting, thanks Vinnie.
When you say top, I hope that means TOP !
Harry Winks, Sander Berge, David Ginola, and Hassan Kachloul
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2022, 11:24:02 PM
Absolute disgrace that we're not in for Mathieu Berson on a free.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 12, 2022, 11:41:04 PM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys
Interesting, thanks Vinnie.
When you say top, I hope that means TOP !

The 4 that I’m aware of would classify a major coup. Seems a number of clubs (top 6 included) have some of same on their shortlist.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 13, 2022, 12:29:28 AM
Does Morgan still have a future here?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 13, 2022, 12:41:41 AM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys

Sangare
De Paul

Who are the other two? Conor Gallagher and another one?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 13, 2022, 12:57:58 AM
Sangare
Tielemans
De Paul
Harold de Winks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2022, 07:57:50 AM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys
Interesting, thanks Vinnie.
When you say top, I hope that means TOP !

The 4 that I’m aware of would classify a major coup. Seems a number of clubs (top 6 included) have some of same on their shortlist.

Who are the four that you are aware of Vinnie?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 13, 2022, 08:00:23 AM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys

Sangare
De Paul

Who are the other two? Conor Gallagher and another one?

The waiting game would tie in with Gallagher as Chelsea have reportedly said nothing doing, regarding him, until towards the end of window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: yammers on July 13, 2022, 08:06:02 AM
Just seen a picture on the socials with the squad meeting the Wallabies, could have sworn that Elmo was pictured on there?!

Training for fitness or coaching?

Wasn’t sure where to put this!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 13, 2022, 08:08:40 AM
Just seen a picture on the socials with the squad meeting the Wallabies, could have sworn that Elmo was pictured on there?!

Training for fitness or coaching?

Wasn’t sure where to put this!
Elmo is there in an ambassadorial role for the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 13, 2022, 08:10:48 AM
Just seen a picture on the socials with the squad meeting the Wallabies, could have sworn that Elmo was pictured on there?!

Training for fitness or coaching?

Wasn’t sure where to put this!

Elmo is a trained zoo-keeper and has been part of the Egyptian-Australian Captive Breeding programme for several years now. He took time out from his busy duties with marsupial gametes to meet his old chums from the Villa.

Afterwards, he was returned to his enclosure where scientists hope to see the conception of the world's greatest-crossing Kangaroo full-back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on July 13, 2022, 09:41:16 AM
Just seen a picture on the socials with the squad meeting the Wallabies, could have sworn that Elmo was pictured on there?!

Training for fitness or coaching?

Wasn’t sure where to put this!
Elmo is there in an ambassadorial role for the club.

The 18/19 promotion team will always be held in high regard in the history of Aston Villa and not many 'got' how much playing for the Villa meant to them more than Elmo.  I love how him and Jedinak have got roles at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 13, 2022, 10:34:40 AM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys

That's good news and thanks for sharing. I hope that we can obtain a really top midfielder and i think it would make a massive difference to our season and beyond.

That said, I do hope in the event of not signing any of those that they do have a back up plan of someone easy to obtain who is just good at kicking people. Our midfield has been sadly lacking in that for a while.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 13, 2022, 10:37:08 AM
With the world cup coming up I don't think Gallagher will go anywhere unless he's pretty much guaranteed first team football.  Palace would make a lot of sense to him as he'd hit the ground running.  But I suspect Chelsea will hold on to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2022, 10:47:13 AM
With the world cup coming up I don't think Gallagher will go anywhere unless he's pretty much guaranteed first team football.  Palace would make a lot of sense to him as he'd hit the ground running.  But I suspect Chelsea will hold on to him.
I don’t see Gallagher fitting into the way Chelsea play.
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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2022, 12:34:41 PM
With the world cup coming up I don't think Gallagher will go anywhere unless he's pretty much guaranteed first team football.  Palace would make a lot of sense to him as he'd hit the ground running.  But I suspect Chelsea will hold on to him.

I'm leaning the other way, I think as the summer goes on it will become clearer and clearer that they have no intention of giving him regular game time and he'll push for a move to find it. Palace might be an 'easy' option for him but I don't think it would a simple decision if a club like us came in.

I'd be amazed if we're not looking at him and Tielemans as possible options, Sangare seems likely as well but I'm not sure the other option could be, I doubt it's de Paul though, that one just doesn't feel reight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2022, 01:15:24 PM
With the world cup coming up I don't think Gallagher will go anywhere unless he's pretty much guaranteed first team football.  Palace would make a lot of sense to him as he'd hit the ground running.  But I suspect Chelsea will hold on to him.

I'm leaning the other way, I think as the summer goes on it will become clearer and clearer that they have no intention of giving him regular game time and he'll push for a move to find it. Palace might be an 'easy' option for him but I don't think it would a simple decision if a club like us came in.

I'd be amazed if we're not looking at him and Tielemans as possible options, Sangare seems likely as well but I'm not sure the other option could be, I doubt it's de Paul though, that one just doesn't feel reight.

Must be Winks then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 13, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
With the world cup coming up I don't think Gallagher will go anywhere unless he's pretty much guaranteed first team football.  Palace would make a lot of sense to him as he'd hit the ground running.  But I suspect Chelsea will hold on to him.

I'm leaning the other way, I think as the summer goes on it will become clearer and clearer that they have no intention of giving him regular game time and he'll push for a move to find it. Palace might be an 'easy' option for him but I don't think it would a simple decision if a club like us came in.

I'd be amazed if we're not looking at him and Tielemans as possible options, Sangare seems likely as well but I'm not sure the other option could be, I doubt it's de Paul though, that one just doesn't feel reight.

Must be Winks then.


You wash out your filthy mouth!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:22:13 AM
Winks is the option if the other targets aren't signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:29:40 AM
We have a shortlist of at least top 4 CM’s. Think it’s a waiting game as number of clubs after same guys

Sangare
De Paul

Who are the other two? Conor Gallagher and another one?

The waiting game would tie in with Gallagher as Chelsea have reportedly said nothing doing, regarding him, until towards the end of window

Gallagher? That's all well and good, but why would we be after an inexperienced midfielder at a move for around £30 million? I'm not sure there's any interest there.

As Gerrard has stated, experienced players are required to achieve our ambitions..
If the other targets aren't signed, Winks is the best option because he checks all the boxes and will cost £20 million.

Gerrard.
"I’ve said on many occasions that I want as much experience as I can in this group in the dressing room. If we’re to get to where we want to, to achieve our internal targets that we’ve set out, we need experienced players. We need players that have got experience not just on the domestic stage but internationally and in Europe too"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 08:33:51 AM
i would rather spend an additional 10M on Gallagher than a plodder like Winks who would not improve our midfield.

Gallagher is only 22, has played for England and will get better. Winks is just, well Winks!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:36:00 AM
I rather keep Chukwuemeka as he's something else.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 08:38:34 AM
I rather keep Chukwuemeka as he's something else.


But if he doesn't want to stay, let him  go. Gerrard is doing the right thing.

Don't get me wrong Footy, I would be delighted if Carney signed a new 5 year contract and pledged his immediate future to Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:42:12 AM
i would rather spend an additional 10M on Gallagher than a plodder like Winks who would not improve our midfield.

Gallagher is only 22, has played for England and will get better. Winks is just, well Winks!!!

Listen we must all rely on what Gerrard has said about experience and what it takes and requires to achieve our ambitions this season.

Gallagher, 22, needs a couple more seasons to improve, and having him in a midfield with Ramsey 21 and Kamara 22 is not going to happen under SG, they don't have that required  experience outside of Kamara , who is new to the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 14, 2022, 08:42:48 AM
Winks is 26 and played 120 odd PL games, Gallagher is 22 & played 60 odd + a couple of very good loans in EFL so I don’t think there is a huge amount in experience levels….it’s ability and what they would bring that is the difference & going on last 12-18 Gallagher is light years ahead of Winks in terms of game time and game impact.  Would stick with Luiz / Sanson / Nakamba over Winks….someone else can take the risk of seeing if he is a player or plodder
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:44:04 AM
Yes Winks isn't ideal for first pick but he's played international and in champions league and other European competition you

  I think we be looking more at Hassan Aurora of Lyon is 24. Has experience in champions league and wants to come to the premier league.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 14, 2022, 08:44:18 AM
I rather keep Chukwuemeka as he's something else.


It appears that’s not something the club can influence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 08:49:24 AM
I have never heard SG say we are exclusively recruiting experienced players. He talks about a good mix - ability, potential, experience, winning mentality. He has been increasing our experience because we had a lot of ability and potential, but not enough experience and winning mentality and he wants to correct that balance.

We will still be recruiting potential when the deal is a good for the club.

As for Winks and experience, he has only 10 senior caps and none in the last two years. He's been a loser in two finals and won nothing in his career. I think we can get better experience!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:51:39 AM
I rather keep Chukwuemeka as he's something else.


It appears that’s not something the club can influence.
It seems so.
I just hope that this is just a result of where we are at the moment. If players like Grealish and Chukwuemeka were buying into our ambitious, they would stay because they will help us get there more quickly and believed it was possible.

Players will want to stay here if we advance our levels because they would know they are at a club that competes for trophies and top-tier honours, in my opinion.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 08:55:01 AM
You can't compare Grealish and Chucky. Grealish was a 26 year old top class international player who felt he wanted to play at the top level*, whereas Chucky is an 18 year old kid who has done nothing spectacular in the first team to date.

* Still think he is a %$^^%$ for leaving Villa and not defending him.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:57:32 AM
I have never heard SG say we are exclusively recruiting experienced players. He talks about a good mix - ability, potential, experience, winning mentality. He has been increasing our experience because we had a lot of ability and potential, but not enough experience and winning mentality and he wants to correct that balance.

We will still be recruiting potential when the deal is a good for the club.

As for Winks and experience, he has only 10 senior caps and none in the last two years. He's been a loser in two finals and won nothing in his career. I think we can get better experience!
SG has said it numerous times!!
He was quoted as saying it "many times."
I simply quoted what SG said about experience.
And that quote is from an interview he gave while in Australia! Aston Villa's official website.

I'm actually attempting to give people understanding what remit Gerrard is looking for right now, but if you choose and seems not to want to listen to what Gerrard has to say then ok.
Having that insight from what Gerrard has said helps us see things a bit more clearly on players signings as well as likes of Ashley Young and Elmo being around the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 09:01:56 AM
You can't compare Grealish and Chucky. Grealish was a 26 year old top class international player who felt he wanted to play at the top level*, whereas Chucky is an 18 year old kid who has done nothing spectacular in the first team to date.

* Still think he is a %$^^%$ for leaving Villa and not defending him.
Yes, absolutely.
To be clear, I wasn't comparing them; rather, I was referring to them by name.

I was trying to be saying how both of them leaving this club when they are rated players doesn't bode well as a message for all of our ambitions, whether it's an established player or a highly rated up and coming player.



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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 14, 2022, 09:05:50 AM
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 09:07:44 AM
I agree and disagree. When Grealish left it was a blow to our ambitions.
With Chucky it isn't, it is either jump aboard or go. That is a completely different mentality and mindset in my opinion. We have a goal and don't want players who are reluctant to be agreeable to where we are (hopefully) heading.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2022, 09:25:11 AM
Yes Winks isn't ideal for first pick but he's played international and in champions league and other European competition you

So had Djemba-Djemba. It's a no from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2022, 09:26:25 AM
Harry fucking Winks, Jay Spearing for the Tik Tok generation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 09:27:52 AM
Yes Winks isn't ideal for first pick but he's played international and in champions league and other European competition you

So had Djemba-Djemba. It's a no from me.
:):):)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on July 14, 2022, 09:32:30 AM
Yes Winks isn't ideal for first pick but he's played international and in champions league and other European competition you

So had Djemba-Djemba. It's a no from me.

And so was Tonev.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 09:35:12 AM
Harry fucking Winks, Jay Spearing for the Tik Tok generation.

Jay Spearing was re signed by Liverpool this season.
He will take up duties as a coach within the academy, while also offering his services as an over-age player for the under-21s!

Taking that experience thing to a whole new level there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on July 14, 2022, 09:37:49 AM
Probably quite a few of us would offer our services as an over age player to the Villa even though we are crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on July 14, 2022, 09:39:54 AM
Which is a problem of not finishing even in the top 10 of the PL for the last 10 years. Most of us can see the potential, but it doesn't take much to understand why any player (even ones with emotional attachments to the club) wants to play at higher levels and can move now to make that happen.

It's a reason why we'll miss out on players coming in too - Bissouma is a case in point.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 09:41:06 AM
Probably quite a few of us would offer our services as an over age player to the Villa even though we are crap.

Yeah, can I volunteer as a 58 year old to play as an overage player for Villa U12's please. Anything else will be too difficult.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2022, 09:45:03 AM
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK

Chuk prefers Kendrick, maybe we should get that gig changed in a last-ditch bid for him to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 09:49:49 AM
I have never heard SG say we are exclusively recruiting experienced players. He talks about a good mix - ability, potential, experience, winning mentality. He has been increasing our experience because we had a lot of ability and potential, but not enough experience and winning mentality and he wants to correct that balance.

We will still be recruiting potential when the deal is a good for the club.

As for Winks and experience, he has only 10 senior caps and none in the last two years. He's been a loser in two finals and won nothing in his career. I think we can get better experience!
SG has said it numerous times!!
He was quoted as saying it "many times."
I simply quoted what SG said about experience.
And that quote is from an interview he gave while in Australia! Aston Villa's official website.

I'm actually attempting to give people understanding what remit Gerrard is looking for right now, but if you choose and seems not to want to listen to what Gerrard has to say then ok.
Having that insight from what Gerrard has said helps us see things a bit more clearly on players signings as well as likes of Ashley Young and Elmo being around the squad.

 ;D Find me the interview where he has said we are ONLY going to recruit experienced players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 10:03:23 AM
Well I only reference to the most recent with SG.
As well as what makes sense in the make up of a squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2022, 10:08:38 AM
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK

Chuk prefers Kendrick, maybe we should get that gig changed in a last-ditch bid for him to stay.

Why, what did Ashley Preece say about him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 10:18:57 AM
Well I only reference to the most recent with SG.
As well as what makes sense in the make up of a squad.

You are right in that they are definitely focusing on it and it makes sense with our current squad. But they will still continue the policy of acquiring potential for the future when the opportunities arise. Kamara is a good example of this, he's at the beginning of getting the experience we want, and the way that Gerrard discussed him even in his latest interview is all about what he will offer for the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 14, 2022, 10:46:07 AM
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK

Chuk prefers Kendrick, maybe we should get that gig changed in a last-ditch bid for him to stay.
Yeah - by the sounds of things we would also need to let Chuk decide the set list
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on July 14, 2022, 10:51:43 AM
Worries me that there hasn’t been one or two key departures so we are left with the same 15 or so regulars who have been mediocre the last 18 months. Squad needs a shake up to move forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2022, 11:00:16 AM
Worries me that there hasn’t been one or two key departures so we are left with the same 15 or so regulars who have been mediocre the last 18 months. Squad needs a shake up to move forward.

It's only mid July and have been relatively few moves so far. Expect the pace will pick up once clubs are back from tours and squads are all together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on July 14, 2022, 11:15:05 AM
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK

Chuk prefers Kendrick, maybe we should get that gig changed in a last-ditch bid for him to stay.

Probably quite a few of us would offer our services as an over age player to the Villa even though we are crap.

Yeah, can I volunteer as a 58 year old to play as an overage player for Villa U12's please. Anything else will be too difficult.
See Bruce Springsteen is at Villa Park next year - not at all gutted that I booked to see him in Barcalona as didnt think hes coming to the UK

Chuk prefers Kendrick, maybe we should get that gig changed in a last-ditch bid for him to stay.
Probably quite a few of us would offer our services as an over age player to the Villa even though we are crap.

Yeah, can I volunteer as a 58 year old to play as an overage player for Villa U12's please. Anything else will be too difficult.

With respect JD, training would be finished before you managed to get your boots on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 14, 2022, 12:10:02 PM
Surely if we had of wanted to sign Winks we could have done this a month ago.

Hopefully the club will have set their sights higher than the signing of Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 12:18:25 PM
Surely if we had of wanted to sign Winks we could have done this a month ago.

Hopefully the club will have set their sights higher than the signing of Winks.

I believe we are in that regard, as he is more of a potential backup option to add to compete in the squad, but one who would settle in because he is familiar with the league.
If people had to choose between No one and Winks, I believe the majority would choose Winks.

As we hear all of the sounds are of higher-caliber players, and may not come down to bringing in someone who Spurs don't get in to their midfield but Winks is adequate in some regard for the situation.
If all else fails.
That being the case. I take him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 14, 2022, 12:41:50 PM
Surely if we had of wanted to sign Winks we could have done this a month ago.

Hopefully the club will have set their sights higher than the signing of Winks.

I believe we are in that regard, as he is more of a potential backup option to add to compete in the squad, but one who would settle in because he is familiar with the league.
If people had to choose between No one and Winks, I believe the majority would choose Winks.

As we hear all of the sounds are of higher-caliber players, and may not come down to bringing in someone who Spurs don't get in to their midfield but Winks is adequate in some regard for the situation.
If all else fails.
That being the case. I take him.
I'd choose no-one!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 12:50:49 PM
When recruiting, it's better to hire no-one and wait for the right person than hire the wrong person now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 14, 2022, 12:51:01 PM
I'm not saying he's the answer, but Winks isn't as bad as some are making out.  There's certainly plenty of occaisions he would have improved our team over the last few years.

But I'm not sure why he's being compared with Gallagher, they are entirely different styles of player?  Winks is a DM who would probably work ok in a double pivot too as he's decent on the ball.  Gallagher is an attacking midfielder who can also slot in at 10.  Winks would be competition for Nakamba and Gallagher for McGinn / Ramsey.

Odd conversation really.

And no, I don't want us to sign Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2022, 12:55:01 PM
Surely if we had of wanted to sign Winks we could have done this a month ago.

Hopefully the club will have set their sights higher than the signing of Winks.

I believe we are in that regard, as he is more of a potential backup option to add to compete in the squad, but one who would settle in because he is familiar with the league.
If people had to choose between No one and Winks, I believe the majority would choose Winks.

As we hear all of the sounds are of higher-caliber players, and may not come down to bringing in someone who Spurs don't get in to their midfield but Winks is adequate in some regard for the situation.
If all else fails.
That being the case. I take him.

£20m on a guy to be backup and sit on the bench ahead of the likes of Tim and Chuk would be an awful way to build the squad. If you want someone to to that it's much better to get someone towards the end of their career on a very low fee who will only be around for 1-2 seasons (like we have with Young). If we had no one coming through in a position, or they needed longer, then I'd be fine with spending that sort of money adding depth but central midfield is where many of our best young players are and with 4-5 of them (Chuk, Tim, A Ramsey, Raikhy and O'Reilly are well regarded) we have the option to rotate through them as our squad cover options. If we sign someone in there it has to be a player that will be pushing hard to be a regular starter from day 1, and that isn't Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2022, 01:03:11 PM
With respect JD, training would be finished before you managed to get your boots on.

Sorry, JD but that really made me laugh. I hope you two are meeting up this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 01:03:59 PM
A quick google of Winks turns up rumours he's wanted by Everton, Southampton, Palace, Leicester, Leeds...

We don't even know if he's on our radar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 14, 2022, 01:05:51 PM
Surely if we had of wanted to sign Winks we could have done this a month ago.

Hopefully the club will have set their sights higher than the signing of Winks.

I believe we are in that regard, as he is more of a potential backup option to add to compete in the squad, but one who would settle in because he is familiar with the league.
If people had to choose between No one and Winks, I believe the majority would choose Winks.

As we hear all of the sounds are of higher-caliber players, and may not come down to bringing in someone who Spurs don't get in to their midfield but Winks is adequate in some regard for the situation.
If all else fails.
That being the case. I take him.

100% no one over Winks….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 14, 2022, 01:12:59 PM
A quick google of Winks turns up rumours he's wanted by Everton, Southampton, Palace, Leicester, Leeds...

We don't even know if he's on our radar.
everyone here seems to agree that Winks would not be a first-choice pick. We already have squad-fillers,  so I'd file this under 'Not happening'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on July 14, 2022, 02:33:37 PM
I feel as though I'm the only person that has seen zero stories linking us to Harry Winks.  Change of subject?? Kinda boring now guys, I think the quality of signing this far shows we aren't looking at anybody in that category.

Gallagher will probably stay at Chelsea, unless he is told he hasn't got a look in this season, and I don't see that happening, unless they go and sign Krishna to be both a creative and destructive force in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2022, 03:41:48 PM
Harry winks while Rome burns. Speaking of...is our Tammy coming home? He was close enough at the weekend (Walsall).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2022, 03:55:28 PM
Winks  ;D

Rather one of our kids had his place and save the money.

Winks ffs  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 04:02:42 PM
Will take 40 Winks on that HW transfer chat.

Moving on.
It would be fantastic if we were able to sign midfielder Lovro Majer from Rennes.
That might be significant to why we play them.
Fantastic player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 14, 2022, 04:04:36 PM
Winks does not upgrade the squad in any way. Therefore, it’s not going to happen. Quality, not quantity seems to be the mantra.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 14, 2022, 04:14:11 PM
Will take 40 Winks on that HW transfer chat.

Moving on.
It would be fantastic if we were able to sign midfielder Lovro Majer from Rennes.
That might be significant to why we play them.
Fantastic player.

Certainly looks an upgrade on McGinn from youtube.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 04:55:17 PM
Sanson I believe is technically superior to McGinny, but there seem to be reservations about the frenchmen playing.
Lange brought him and he fitted the profile and should be pushing McGinn.
I like the Croatian Majer and believe he is an upgrade over McGinn as a ball player, but not as a tackler.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on July 14, 2022, 05:06:34 PM
Will take 40 Winks on that HW transfer chat.

Moving on.
It would be fantastic if we were able to sign midfielder Lovro Majer from Rennes.
That might be significant to why we play them.
Fantastic player.

Our past successes with Croatian players are in the same ball park as French players. Which is a shame as i’ve tended to quite like players from the Balkans.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2022, 05:12:13 PM
Bosko Balaban still lives fat on what we paid him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2022, 05:30:49 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 14, 2022, 05:33:52 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

We’d just moved on!  :'(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 14, 2022, 07:30:06 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

As far as I know, it's all come from one poster saying they thought we should buy him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 14, 2022, 07:38:20 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

As far as I know, it's all come from one poster saying they thought we should buy him.
the power of social media to influence the debate!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 14, 2022, 08:02:47 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

As far as I know, it's all come from one poster saying they thought we should buy him.
the power of social media to influence the debate!!

A nod’s as good as a wink and all that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2022, 08:07:02 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

As far as I know, it's all come from one poster saying they thought we should buy him.
the power of social media to influence the debate!!

Winkstagram?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 14, 2022, 08:16:16 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?

As far as I know, it's all come from one poster saying they thought we should buy him.
the power of social media to influence the debate!!

Winkstagram?

Gram or three of Colombia's finest is my guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 14, 2022, 08:18:43 PM
I am getting a bit impatient now. Which isn't like me. And I know it'll be OK. But I want us to announce a new signing or two ASAP. If we signed nobody else I'd be a bit disappointed with our business this summer I have to say.

We need one or two more and Gerrard wanted them in before pre season. I think it'll happen and I don't think it's down to not trying, I just want it to hurry up.

Come Villa, announce something  8)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2022, 08:41:21 PM
We never get everyone in before pre-season. We are waiting for dominoes to fall, like nearly every other club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 08:58:07 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?
Harry Winks the final word

Last summer window, the Times reported that Tottenham's unwillingness to sell Harry Winks for less than £40 million caused summer moves to Aston Villa to fall through.
Villa were turned off by the cost as were Everton.

12 months on, he's available for half that amount, being offered at £20m with Everton held talks and were interested.
That move didn't happen. He was left out of Spurs' pre-season tour to South Korea, and with Bissouma coming in, Winks is surplus.

Additionally, although currently not being a top-tier or first-choice target, he has a profile that has been previously scouted and interest could be forthcoming as the backup option for a buy if, for example, other midfield targets of 4 or so are unattainable.

One thing to keep in mind and maybe puts this all to bed is that Harry Winks may or not have been vaccinated, which has made a move difficult, but that is purely speculative.

But then again, given that Everton declined to sign him after announcing that they had completed their "due diligence" on him, and that he hasn't travelled abroad to South Korea, one has to wonder.

Sam Wallace in the telegraph reported as an exclusive that unvaxxed Premier League players being snubbed in transfer window

According to a source,
'phone calls stop immediately' when when a possible new signing's lack of vaccinations is discovered by intersted clubs.

Let that be no more chat on Winks for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 14, 2022, 08:58:35 PM
We are doing it the right way. Addressed most pressing needs before pre season, then evaluate the squad and buy/sell between now and the close of the window. The club shouldn’t ever do it’s business because fans are getting impatient
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on July 14, 2022, 09:06:22 PM
Thank you Footy-Vill. I will never mention Winks again, not that I have mentioned him before other than in dross and wasted category.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2022, 09:06:46 PM
We never get everyone in before pre-season. We are waiting for dominoes to fall, like nearly every other club.

True and what we have done is got the vast majority done in time to go on tour. From here I think we'll see 1-2 more, The most likely being 1 in midfield but maybe dependant on Sanson or Luiz leaving and maybe there's an outside chance of 1 up front.

The latter seems unlikely right now but these 3 friendlies will do a lot more to see where Archer is at, if he grabs a goal or 2 and looks 'ready' then the chance of another forward coming in goes away unless we get a big offer for Ings, I don't think there's any chance of Watkins going, I reckon he's part of Gerrards core of players he's building around.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 14, 2022, 09:07:36 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?
Harry Winks the final word

Last summer window, the Times reported that Tottenham's unwillingness to sell Harry Winks for less than £40 million caused summer moves to Aston Villa to fall through.
Villa were turned off by the cost as were Everton.

12 months on, he's available for half that amount, being offered at £20m with Everton held talks and were interested.
That move didn't happen. He was left out of Spurs' pre-season tour to South Korea, and with Bissouma coming in, Winks is surplus.

Additionally, although currently not being a top-tier or first-choice target, he has a profile that has been previously scouted and interest could be forthcoming as the backup option for a buy if, for example, other midfield targets of 4 or so are unattainable.

One thing to keep in mind and maybe puts this all to bed is that Harry Winks may or not have been vaccinated, which has made a move difficult, but that is purely speculative.

But then again, given that Everton declined to sign him after announcing that they had completed their "due diligence" on him, and that he hasn't travelled abroad to South Korea, one has to wonder.

Sam Wallace in the telegraph reported as an exclusive that unvaxxed Premier League players being snubbed in transfer window

According to a source,
'phone calls stop immediately' when when a possible new signing's lack of vaccinations is discovered by intersted clubs.

Let that be no more chat on Winks for me.

Yeah but no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2022, 09:08:33 PM
Thank you Footy-Vill. I will never mention Winks again, not that I have mentioned him before other than in dross and wasted category.

Nor will I except to say he'd be a very Everton signing. Hope he goes there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 14, 2022, 09:09:38 PM
Hirry Wanks can fuck off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 14, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
Why is there so much talk about Winks? Is there an actual real link?
Harry Winks the final word

Last summer window, the Times reported that Tottenham's unwillingness to sell Harry Winks for less than £40 million caused summer moves to Aston Villa to fall through.
Villa were turned off by the cost as were Everton.

12 months on, he's available for half that amount, being offered at £20m with Everton held talks and were interested.
That move didn't happen. He was left out of Spurs' pre-season tour to South Korea, and with Bissouma coming in, Winks is surplus.

Additionally, although currently not being a top-tier or first-choice target, he has a profile that has been previously scouted and interest could be forthcoming as the backup option for a buy if, for example, other midfield targets of 4 or so are unattainable.

One thing to keep in mind and maybe puts this all to bed is that Harry Winks may or not have been vaccinated, which has made a move difficult, but that is purely speculative.

But then again, given that Everton declined to sign him after announcing that they had completed their "due diligence" on him, and that he hasn't travelled abroad to South Korea, one has to wonder.

Sam Wallace in the telegraph reported as an exclusive that unvaxxed Premier League players being snubbed in transfer window

According to a source,
'phone calls stop immediately' when when a possible new signing's lack of vaccinations is discovered by intersted clubs.

Let that be no more chat on Winks for me.


I'm reminded of the Countess of Grantham's line in Downton, "Do you promise?"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 14, 2022, 09:39:01 PM
I was giving Ian an update.
I'm going to stop now on that player.

Instead, let's concentrate on that list of 4 primary midfield targets.
Tielmans is an example of a top-tier player.
Belgian players are definitely worth
pursuing. They have a wonderful pedigree.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2022, 10:31:33 PM
I was giving Ian an update.
I'm going to stop now on that player.

Instead, let's concentrate on that list of 4 primary midfield targets.
Tielmans is an example of a top-tier player.
Belgian players are definitely worth
pursuing. They have a wonderful pedigree.



The tedious “that’s my last word on this” which is never actually the last word.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 14, 2022, 10:35:04 PM
Thanks Footy.

Tielemans, now that’s more like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on July 14, 2022, 10:43:50 PM
Seeing the BBC footy headline 'Martinez in advanced talks with Man Utd' had me going for a second.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on July 14, 2022, 11:01:39 PM
With respect JD, training would be finished before you managed to get your boots on.

Sorry, JD but that really made me laugh. I hope you two are meeting up this week.


Me as well RCF, very funny and probably true. Not sure if Robbo is going to Brisbane would be great if he was.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 15, 2022, 12:24:01 AM
For anyone saying we need to hurry up and sign people... just look at Everton. It could be a hell of a lot worse. I'm expecting them and Leeds to be scrapping away at the bottom again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holte Antipode on July 15, 2022, 04:42:37 AM
i would rather spend an additional 10M on Gallagher than a plodder like Winks who would not improve our midfield.

Gallagher is only 22, has played for England and will get better. Winks is just, well Winks!!!

I'd also be in the Gallagher over Winkster camp.  But we may be kidding ourselves keeping him on the list, if this is anything to go by:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/jul/14/conor-gallagher-chelsea-interview-thomas-tuchel

Sounds like he is London through and through, and wants his chance to prove to Tuchel he should be there. Although I rate him, and he's developed well under Viera, doesn't sound like we could realistically offer him much more to prise him away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 05:04:46 AM
For anyone saying we need to hurry up and sign people... just look at Everton. It could be a hell of a lot worse. I'm expecting them and Leeds to be scrapping away at the bottom again.

Leicester haven’t signed a single player, they’re going to have issues again this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 15, 2022, 08:32:34 AM
For anyone saying we need to hurry up and sign people... just look at Everton. It could be a hell of a lot worse. I'm expecting them and Leeds to be scrapping away at the bottom again.

Leicester haven’t signed a single player, they’re going to have issues again this season.
I think we should be trying to nab a few players off them - they feel like a club we should over take
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 08:49:32 AM
They have ten players out of contract next summer, and another seven out of contract the summer after. This includes Tielemans, Soyuncu, Ndidi, Maddison, and Iheanacho. That's a good chunk of their talent that they either need to convince to sign back up or replace.

It will be interesting how many they get on a new contract, because unless they get some nice fees in for some of them, their owners are going to have to put quite a bit in to replace them. Their net spend over the last three years is about £75m, so historically the owners haven't been pumping huge amounts of their own cash in.

It's a big eighteen months for them and will determine whether or not they stay a top 10 Prem side or revert back to being Leicester City.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 08:59:13 AM
If we didn't have Phil and little Emi already I'd be in for Maddison like a shot. Tielemans would be nice but if I could pick one from Leicester it would be Barnes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: WassallVillain on July 15, 2022, 09:02:24 AM
If we didn't have Phil and little Emi already I'd be in for Maddison like a shot. Tielemans would be nice but if I could pick one from Leicester it would be Barnes.
Barnes would be my pick too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 15, 2022, 09:05:49 AM
We were in discussions with Nathan Collins but he chose Wolves for footballing reasons, as he wanted regular 1st team football
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 15, 2022, 09:23:02 AM
I like Ndidi, Tielemans, Barnes, Maddison (although we dont need him)

Fells like any of the first three would massively improve our squad
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 09:30:58 AM
We were in discussions with Nathan Collins but he chose Wolves for footballing reasons, as he wanted regular 1st team football

I think we spoke to Tarkowski as well and found the same situation, which is fair enough in each case.

Interesting if true though, another centre half gives us 6, at least one will be out the door surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 09:38:10 AM
I get it, and ideally you want players who back themselves to get into the team. Other teams are more than welcome to any player afraid of competition in my book.

If they aren't competitive enough to fight for their place, how on earth are they going to be competitive enough to win anything?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2022, 09:49:54 AM
I’d be looking at Wijnaldum if possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 09:52:41 AM
I get it, and ideally you want players who back themselves to get into the team. Other teams are more than welcome to any player afraid of competition in my book.

If they aren't competitive enough to fight for their place, how on earth are they going to be competitive enough to win anything?

There is that, but you've also got to be realistic with where you are in your career, and with how the club are selling the role. We're looking at a player (I think) to back up the first choice pair and challenge them, but with no guarantees, whereas the other teams are probably looking at them as starters.

However confident you are are in yourself you've still got to convince others and it comes with risk. I think in the same situation I'd take the offer of playing time,  and let's be fair, Wulvz finished above us and Everton are a big club regardless of their problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 09:57:20 AM
I get it, and ideally you want players who back themselves to get into the team. Other teams are more than welcome to any player afraid of competition in my book.

If they aren't competitive enough to fight for their place, how on earth are they going to be competitive enough to win anything?

There is that, but you've also got to be realistic with where you are in your career, and with how the club are selling the role. We're looking at a player (I think) to back up the first choice pair and challenge them, but with no guarantees, whereas the other teams are probably looking at them as starters.

However confident you are are in yourself you've still got to convince others and it comes with risk. I think in the same situation I'd take the offer of playing time,  and let's be fair, Wulvz finished above us and Everton are a big club regardless of their problems.

I don't disagree with you, it sounds like the right decision for them and us. Gerrard keeps saying he wants that competitive instinct and for people to be obsessed with winning the shirt, but that's not for everyone like you say.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 10:09:55 AM
Chambers is a good example where the circumstances are different and he's come and for me anyway, taken the opportunities he's been given, but he was coming from a place where he wasn't getting football and would be further up the pecking order here.

Carlos will start with Mings, but on what I saw last season Chambers would be in front of Konsa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on July 15, 2022, 10:13:21 AM
I’d be looking at Wijnaldum if possible.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't a target.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 10:19:19 AM
I’d be looking at Wijnaldum if possible.

I'd be surprised if he wasn't a target.

That would make sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Colhint on July 15, 2022, 10:31:53 AM
Seeing the BBC footy headline 'Martinez in advanced talks with Man Utd' had me going for a second.

Me too
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 15, 2022, 10:43:30 AM
Wijnaldum would make a lot of sense but I think he's maybe out of reach, right on the edge for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 15, 2022, 11:23:03 AM
Wijnaldum will have a few clubs interested but that hasn't put us off other targets.

Another reason why Collins would choose Wolves is that they play with a back 3 so more opportunities.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 15, 2022, 11:33:44 AM
Wijnaldum will have a few clubs interested but that hasn't put us off other targets.

Another reason why Collins would choose Wolves is that they play with a back 3 so more opportunities.

Yeah they do, the fucking barbarians.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 12:04:31 PM
I get it, and ideally you want players who back themselves to get into the team. Other teams are more than welcome to any player afraid of competition in my book.

If they aren't competitive enough to fight for their place, how on earth are they going to be competitive enough to win anything?
It's one thing to fight for a place and another to come to a club that has just spent £30m on a centre back and therefore likely be fighting for one place with Mings and Konsa.  I don't blame him tbh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on July 15, 2022, 12:04:57 PM
Wijnaldum would make a lot of sense but I think he's maybe out of reach, right on the edge for me.

Good shout. Could well be one of those we have to wait on until later in the window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 12:08:02 PM
I get it, and ideally you want players who back themselves to get into the team. Other teams are more than welcome to any player afraid of competition in my book.

If they aren't competitive enough to fight for their place, how on earth are they going to be competitive enough to win anything?

There is that, but you've also got to be realistic with where you are in your career, and with how the club are selling the role. We're looking at a player (I think) to back up the first choice pair and challenge them, but with no guarantees, whereas the other teams are probably looking at them as starters.

However confident you are are in yourself you've still got to convince others and it comes with risk. I think in the same situation I'd take the offer of playing time,  and let's be fair, Wulvz finished above us and Everton are a big club regardless of their problems.

I don't disagree with you, it sounds like the right decision for them and us. Gerrard keeps saying he wants that competitive instinct and for people to be obsessed with winning the shirt, but that's not for everyone like you say.
It's not just about fighting spirit as you allude to.  Kourtney thinks he's good enough and want's to fight for a place but doesn't get a look in.  You're being unfair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 15, 2022, 12:10:57 PM
Wijnaldum will have a few clubs interested but that hasn't put us off other targets.

Another reason why Collins would choose Wolves is that they play with a back 3 so more opportunities.
Had heard Wijnaldum mentioned as a possible target right at the end of last season.  Nowhere reputable, just some random news website.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 12:15:22 PM
It's not just about fighting spirit as you allude to.  Kourtney thinks he's good enough and want's to fight for a place but doesn't get a look in.  You're being unfair.

Genuinely not trying to be argumentative here! Which bit do you feel is unfair? I don't think I've criticised anyone and certainly haven't been trying to.

I think Hause has been taken out of the team too quickly on occasion, he's been there when we have needed him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 12:15:59 PM
Wijnaldum would make a lot of sense but I think he's maybe out of reach, right on the edge for me.

Good shout. Could well be one of those we have to wait on until later in the window.

PSG have reportedly made the decision to leave nine 'undesirable' stars at home for their pre-season tour of Japan.

But Georginio Wijnaldum, Mauro Icardi, Layvin Kurzawa, Julian Draxler, Ander Herrera, Idrissa Gueye, Junior Dina Ebimbe, Rafinha and Sergio Rico will not play a part, according to L'Equipe.

Former Liverpool midfielder Wijnaldum has failed to have an impact at the Parc des Princes since his free transfer last summer.

Although not renowned for his goalscoring threat from midfield at club level, the 31-year-old scored just three goals and supplied three assists in 38 appearances last season as he struggled for minutes under Mauricio Pochettino. Everton, West Ham and Leicester are interested.


Good player, 32 in November so we'd need to be cautious with any contract.  But could play a role in pushing us towards top 6 more quickly.  I'd say we're very well placed to attract him if we want him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on July 15, 2022, 12:24:33 PM
I’ll take one Draxler please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 12:25:05 PM
It's not just about fighting spirit as you allude to.  Kourtney thinks he's good enough and want's to fight for a place but doesn't get a look in.  You're being unfair.

Genuinely not trying to be argumentative here! Which bit do you feel is unfair? I don't think I've criticised anyone and certainly haven't been trying to.

I think Hause has been taken out of the team too quickly on occasion, he's been there when we have needed him.
Implying Collins doesn't have competitive instinct or an obsession with winning the shirt -  'that's not for everyone'
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 12:32:01 PM
It's not just about fighting spirit as you allude to.  Kourtney thinks he's good enough and want's to fight for a place but doesn't get a look in.  You're being unfair.

Genuinely not trying to be argumentative here! Which bit do you feel is unfair? I don't think I've criticised anyone and certainly haven't been trying to.

I think Hause has been taken out of the team too quickly on occasion, he's been there when we have needed him.
Implying Collins doesn't have competitive instinct or an obsession with winning the shirt -  'that's not for everyone'

Ah, okay. Well I do think we should be buying players who back themselves to win the shirt, but I also think if a player wants to sign somewhere else where he doesn't have to fight for the shirt then that's fine too if that's where he feels more comfortable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 15, 2022, 01:52:58 PM
I’ll take one Draxler please.

Dont know much about him only that his name should be a Bond villain
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 15, 2022, 04:27:51 PM
Wijnaldum was a superb player at Liverpool. If anything underrated. He’s 31 and not done a lot last season by the sounds of it but I’d love to see him come in if we could get him for a decent price and on a shortish deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 15, 2022, 04:33:16 PM
Wijnaldum was a superb player at Liverpool. If anything underrated. He’s 31 and not done a lot last season by the sounds of it but I’d love to see him come in if we could get him for a decent price and on a shortish deal.

He was, and you could see him and Kamara linking up well and being on Coutinho's wavelength.

I doubt he'd want to drop out of Europe, but our other signings this summer have....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 15, 2022, 04:52:02 PM
Thanks Footy.

Tielemans, now that’s more like it.
Tielemans will surely go to a team in the Chumps League.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 05:06:06 PM
Thanks Footy.

Tielemans, now that’s more like it.
Tielemans will surely go to a team in the Chumps League.

Yeah, he’ll be a bargain for someone. It’s a shame as I’d have loved him at the Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 15, 2022, 06:23:24 PM
We can a agree on that DogT
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 06:39:36 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 15, 2022, 06:56:39 PM
;D

Shouldn't that have been 'woof'?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 15, 2022, 08:06:15 PM
;D

Shouldn't that have been 'woof'?

I’m a civilised Muskahound I’ll have you know!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 15, 2022, 08:17:18 PM
Wijnaldum was a superb player at Liverpool. If anything underrated. He’s 31 and not done a lot last season by the sounds of it but I’d love to see him come in if we could get him for a decent price and on a shortish deal.
Gana, or Herrera too wouldn't be bad for a year
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 15, 2022, 08:52:28 PM
Gana can do one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 15, 2022, 09:02:46 PM
Wijnaldum was a superb player at Liverpool. If anything underrated. He’s 31 and not done a lot last season by the sounds of it but I’d love to see him come in if we could get him for a decent price and on a shortish deal.
Gana, or Herrera too wouldn't be bad for a year

I don’t think any English club will touch Gana with the circus that will follow him for his opinions….that would really send the wrong signals
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on July 15, 2022, 09:14:46 PM
Gana can do one.

Yup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2022, 04:32:46 AM
Gueye?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on July 16, 2022, 11:08:08 AM
Oxlade chamberlain injured again. If the club has the smallest glimmer of interest in him, I hope this snuffs it out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
You'd hope so. That would rank among the stupidest signings in our history. At least Jermaine Jenas was only on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 16, 2022, 12:59:41 PM
Gueye?

He doesn't like it when you call him that. :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on July 16, 2022, 01:42:27 PM
Zinchenko to Arsenal. I was nurturing a slim hope he was headed our way. Seems a steal at 30m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 16, 2022, 02:38:57 PM
Zinchenko to Arsenal. I was nurturing a slim hope he was headed our way. Seems a steal at 30m.

Damn!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on July 16, 2022, 02:44:58 PM
Arsenal have done good business
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2022, 03:12:27 PM
Unfortunately they seem to have their shit together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2022, 04:21:51 PM
Zinchenko to Arsenal. I was nurturing a slim hope he was headed our way. Seems a steal at 30m.

It does.  I imagine having Arteta there would have also been quite attractive for Zinchenko, given his form Man City connections.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2022, 04:26:01 PM
Unfortunately they seem to have their shit together.

They do. We however signed permanently a world class player in Coutinho and Olsen, and a top CB in Carlos, a highly desired new French international in Kamara and a solid back up LB. All things we needed to do. I think we have done very well and I imagine we will add a very good piece or two before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on July 16, 2022, 04:37:44 PM
I’m not so sure we will make anymore decent signings. Beginning to look like the last transfer window, early signings then linked with just about everybody but, they end up going to Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal etc. Still feel we need a top goal scorer to give us any chance of a European place but, can’t see it happening. SG very enthusiastic about Ollie but I can’t see him ever being  20+goals a season striker which is what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 16, 2022, 04:40:01 PM
Man City making a net profit in a window for...the first time ever?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 16, 2022, 04:59:38 PM
They've only made a profit of £12 million so far, so plenty of time to turn that into a loss. 2005/06 was the last time they made a profit, mainly due to the sale of Shaun Wright-Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 16, 2022, 05:11:17 PM
Aston Villa, Everton, and West Ham United have joined Newcastle United in the race to sign Raul de Tomas from Espanyol this summer.

http://www.thehardtackle.com/transfer-news/2022/07/16/aston-villa-everton-west-ham-join-raul-de-tomas-race/

https://www.fichajes.net/noticias/cuatro-equipos-premier-quieren-fichar-raul-tomas-20220715.html



Top player but a weak link





Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 16, 2022, 06:15:39 PM
I was expecting more ins and outs to be honest.  I’m a bit conflicted - we have done good business - but at the same time I don’t see anyway we are going to worry the top 8 given their business and where we were last year. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 16, 2022, 06:36:53 PM
I was expecting more ins and outs to be honest.  I’m a bit conflicted - we have done good business - but at the same time I don’t see anyway we are going to worry the top 8 given their business and where we were last year.

Im
Not sure Wolves and West ham Have done amazing business? West Ham are a good team no doubt, but i think they are catchable. Again, i might be wrong but i don’t see wolves getting any better. You’d expect Man U to improve and Newcastle to fancy their chances, people talk about Leicester having a re-emergence but I’m not sure, Vardys dangerous but past his prime, as is Evans and Albrighton,  Tielemans looks like he’ll go.
I don’t know whether we’ll trouble the top 8-6, but i dont see anything to massively fear in those sides mentioned with the additions we’ve made already, including Januarys.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Vegas on July 16, 2022, 06:43:08 PM
We’ve done pretty well, but I’m a bit surprised we’ve only added one central midfielder. Our front 3 is ok for a top 6-8 finish I think (although could improve further with a genuinely clinical finisher), and we’ve improved at centre back plus added Digne and cover since Jan.

I just think our centre mid options are very “lower half” - we’re really banking on Kamara to hit the ground running, and Ramsay to have another stellar year of improvement if we’re to challenge the top 6. Both could happen, but it feels lightweight to me (unless we’re happy with 10th).

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 16, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
We’ve done pretty well, but I’m a bit surprised we’ve only added one central midfielder. Our front 3 is ok for a top 6-8 finish I think (although could improve further with a genuinely clinical finisher), and we’ve improved at centre back plus added Digne and cover since Jan.

I just think our centre mid options are very “lower half” - we’re really banking on Kamara to hit the ground running, and Ramsay to have another stellar year of improvement if we’re to challenge the top 6. Both could happen, but it feels lightweight to me (unless we’re happy with 10th).
Yeah this is my opinion. A good recruitment just but I don’t see these transform us from say 14th to 7th

With where we are now I think top half is realistic - unless we think having a proper SG preseason adds 6 or 7 points to our total
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 16, 2022, 07:11:22 PM
If we do sell Chukwuemeka, it will be interesting to see if we bring in a replacement because he's not one we would have expected or wanted to sell. Gerrard wants a midfielder but it was presumed he would be a replacement for Luiz/Sanson.

Then again, Gerrard has used Chukwuemeka as a '10' after Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey so if we were to sell Traore/El Ghazi, maybe he would be looking for another option there.

Or maybe Aaron Ramsey or another, stays as an understudy instead of going out on loan and gets the game time that Chukwuemeka might have otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 16, 2022, 07:32:49 PM
I think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan. He did okay at Cheltenham, but I think they’ll want to see more consistency and higher performances.

I don ‘t think they’ll directly replace Chuckwuemeka, but any cash received might make getting another 8 more likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 16, 2022, 07:40:59 PM
We’ve done pretty well, but I’m a bit surprised we’ve only added one central midfielder. Our front 3 is ok for a top 6-8 finish I think (although could improve further with a genuinely clinical finisher), and we’ve improved at centre back plus added Digne and cover since Jan.

I just think our centre mid options are very “lower half” - we’re really banking on Kamara to hit the ground running, and Ramsay to have another stellar year of improvement if we’re to challenge the top 6. Both could happen, but it feels lightweight to me (unless we’re happy with 10th).
Yeah this is my opinion. A good recruitment just but I don’t see these transform us from say 14th to 7th

With where we are now I think top half is realistic - unless we think having a proper SG preseason adds 6 or 7 points to our total

Yes I agree too. Kamara looks like potentially a very good signing but whether he’ll hit the ground running or even be effective as a holding player at all is very much the question. If he makes no difference to that side of the team then we’re no further forward and it will remain our Achilles heel. Get another one in, a physical player with real potential to nullify the opposition, if Kamara looks better than McGinn and Luiz in the centre role as well then the midfield will have improved dramatically. It needs it I think.
Unless Kamara is that player and Carlos is a big improvement as well then we’re going to struggle to break the top half unless we do more. Still lots of time though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 16, 2022, 08:35:06 PM
I’ll be shocked if we don’t sign a new CM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 16, 2022, 08:52:26 PM
I think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan. He did okay at Cheltenham, but I think they’ll want to see more consistency and higher performances.

I don ‘t think they’ll directly replace Chuckwuemeka, but any cash received might make getting another 8 more likely.

Aaron Ramsey to Preston to replace Cameron Archer?
We know Preston look after our lads
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 16, 2022, 08:53:03 PM
I think we absolutely will buy a CM. The manager and new AM are rightly getting a really good look at exactly what they have. Both will have lots of sessions and 3 games in Australia and one in France to ascertain where we need to add and who we can shave from the current squad. I think we will still spend another £50m+ on a CM and striker, with 2 or 3 leaving. There’s lots of time left for that to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2022, 09:34:11 PM
I’ll be shocked if we don’t sign a new CM.

Absolutely.  Looking forward to whoever the mystery man is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on July 16, 2022, 10:17:02 PM
Man City making a net profit in a window for...the first time ever?
Thanks mainly to Arsenal taking care of their surplus scrap.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on July 16, 2022, 10:52:18 PM
Surely got to move a few more on before there’s any more incomings. Just look at the squad that’s gone to Australia.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2022, 11:01:29 PM
Surely got to move a few more on before there’s any more incomings. Just look at the squad that’s gone to Australia.

Giving them all a chance before cutting down the numbers and allowing some more to go out on loan too?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on July 17, 2022, 12:04:26 AM
Bassey to Ajax, interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on July 17, 2022, 12:15:16 AM
Bassey to Ajax, interesting.

Not so sure its interesting. A player we don't need has gone to an irrelevant club. Appreciate there were some tenuous links but that was more likely lazy journalism off the back of a solid performance in the UEFA final.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 17, 2022, 02:41:05 AM
Bought for £250k and sold for £20m not long after. Good buy from whoever the Rangers manager was at the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 17, 2022, 11:33:45 AM
Man City making a net profit in a window for...the first time ever?
Thanks mainly to Arsenal taking care of their surplus scrap.

I wish it was us taking their scraps.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2022, 11:56:40 AM
Yep, Zinchenko and particulaly Jesus would have been most welcome !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on July 17, 2022, 12:15:37 PM
Bassey to Ajax, interesting.
Big spenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
Bassey to Ajax, interesting.
Shirley not?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 17, 2022, 12:46:33 PM
I think Rangers unearthed a Diamond.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2022, 01:31:53 PM
Bassey to Ajax, interesting.

20m, been taken to the cleaners.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 17, 2022, 03:23:17 PM
The minute he walks in the joint, they’ll know..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on July 17, 2022, 09:11:02 PM
Saw a link but now lost it , it's on news now (so likely shite) but raid PSG for Mauro Icardi (striker) and Gini Wijnaldum ??

Would both bring experience at highest levels and round out squad nicely. Perhaps offer Chucky as bait plus a wodge of cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2022, 09:24:06 PM
From previous discussions on here I think we've already established that Icardi's agent/wife is a publicity hungry loon and the resultant circus would be more trouble than it's worth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2022, 01:07:58 AM
What would we have to pay them every week? A quarter of a mill each? No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2022, 08:28:14 AM
Saw a link but now lost it , it's on news now (so likely shite) but raid PSG for Mauro Icardi (striker) and Gini Wijnaldum ??

Would both bring experience at highest levels and round out squad nicely. Perhaps offer Chucky as bait plus a wodge of cash.

Just looked it up, it was one of those where somebody says "Aston Villa should look at Icardi" stories. In this case, the "somebody" being an unheard of journalist from the Leicester Mercury.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2022, 11:12:42 AM
Agree that Wijnaldum would be a good signing. I seem to remember Gerrard hinted at bringing in someone he knew that was experienced, which I assume to mean another ex-Liverpool player. Thought at the time he meant Suarez, but could be Wijnaladum I suppose.

I'd like us to raid Leicester as they have a few players winding down contracts and look vulnerable to dropping down the league pecking order. Ndidi would be a great signing, as would Tielemans.

For any of those to happen we probably need to shift either Sanson, or Luiz first. Preferably Luiz seeing as he wont sign a contract and is overrated so might fetch upwards of £15m.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2022, 03:47:17 PM
Unsubstantiated reports this afternoon that Chelsea have offered us Ross Barkley...  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2022, 04:11:34 PM
Unsubstantiated reports this afternoon that Chelsea have offered us Ross Barkley...  ;D

Ooh, chuck in Danny Drinkwater and you've got a deal lads!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on July 18, 2022, 04:17:30 PM
I'd like to see Calvin Bassey rock up at Villa Park. Surprising should he sign for Ajax.....surely the player would prefer the Premier League ??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2022, 04:18:46 PM
Unsubstantiated reports this afternoon that Chelsea have offered us Ross Barkley...  ;D

He looked great for a month.

Wonder if Gerrard played with him for England. Anyway hope it isn't accurate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 18, 2022, 04:29:08 PM
Unsubstantiated reports this afternoon that Chelsea have offered us Ross Barkley...  ;D

He looked great for a month.

Wonder if Gerrard played with him for England. Anyway hope it isn't accurate.

That was the frustrating thing,
Whether the injury he picked up hampered him more than was known we’ll never know.

Anyway, a no from me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2022, 05:00:25 PM
I'd like to see Calvin Bassey rock up at Villa Park. Surprising should he sign for Ajax.....surely the player would prefer the Premier League ??

You’re right, he’d have been great to get, but we were never going to go for him at £20m, same as why we didn’t follow up with Hickey.  Having spent £27m on a first choice left back this year already, we had other places to spend that sort of cash more urgently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2022, 05:06:26 PM
And we seem to have sorted the back up to a good level in terms of quality, for a minimal outlay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2022, 05:23:23 PM
And we seem to have sorted the back up to a good level in terms of quality, for a minimal outlay.

Not bad getting the number 1 keeper and starting LB for Sweden for next to nothing as back ups. And likely one of France’s future stars who I hope will feature at the WC for free also. Solid business. But now we need to find that 1 or 2 proper gems to propel us. I don’t trust Ollie or Ings to get enough goals next season. Can’t place that burden on Cam just yet. And I don’t trust McGinn or Doug to be that midfield force either even with Kamara in place. We need a ready made starter in one of those spots.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on July 18, 2022, 06:31:32 PM
Agree
Top class M/Field and striker
I am sure the Mang team know this
As you said, some good additions at low cost, saving our money for the statement signings, I hope.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 18, 2022, 08:06:53 PM
Not forgetting a player that went for £146m for £17m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2022, 08:17:11 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2022, 08:27:07 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?
Nah - Matty only signed a new contract last season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 18, 2022, 08:27:54 PM
Agree
Top class M/Field and striker
I am sure the Mang team know this
As you said, some good additions at low cost, saving our money for the statement signings, I hope.
Yeah - I think thats what we need - I would probably settle for 1 of the two but a really good 1
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2022, 08:37:41 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?
Nah - Matty only signed a new contract last season

🙄😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 18, 2022, 09:24:31 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?

Sure they’d want 60m+ & Douglas for Tammy
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 18, 2022, 10:24:41 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?

Sure they’d want 60m+ & Douglas for Tammy

Or £40m and we keep him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 18, 2022, 10:36:28 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?

Has there been a swap deal since 2004?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2022, 10:42:31 PM
Carew/Baros, Ayew/Taylor, Gardner/Jota, Traore/Adomah
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2022, 10:47:36 PM
Carew/Baros, Ayew/Taylor, Gardner/Jota, Traore/Adomah

I think the Traore/ Adomah deals were separate weren't they?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 18, 2022, 10:57:37 PM
Don't go bringing facts into things, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2022, 11:02:12 PM
Yeah, soz about that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2022, 11:09:48 PM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?

Has there been a swap deal since 2004?

Milner/Ireland?

*shudder*
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2022, 11:10:34 PM
And I was in a good mood as well, ta
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 18, 2022, 11:10:35 PM
Plus £20m though...wasn't it? Probably wasted on N'Zogbia, mind...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 18, 2022, 11:13:08 PM
They must have been laughing their heads off when we agreed to take Ireland.  :-\
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on July 19, 2022, 02:21:54 AM
They must have been laughing their heads off when we agreed to take Ireland.  :-\

He did have an amazing reef tank though so that mitigates it a bit :)

(https://www.aquariumarchitecture.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/aquarium-architecture-footballers-pad-stephen-ireland-03.jpg)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 19, 2022, 06:33:33 AM
I read that according to the B'ham Mail - Chelsea have offered us Ross Barkley (Norwich have supposedly already said no to Ross)

You could not make it up (well the Mail probably did!!)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2022, 07:43:38 AM
I see Roma are getting Dybala, could Tammy and Luiz be a potential swap with cash?

Has there been a swap deal since 2004?

If only we'd accepted Onomah and his pocket money for Ratboy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2022, 08:22:15 AM
I think Barkley is a bit of a cautionary tale I’d be looking at if I were Carney. Different situations, but Barkley is ridiculously talented, but for whatever reason he hasn’t put it together. He’s made poor choices too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2022, 10:07:49 AM
Remember that game at Arsenal where Barkley (and Grealish) were absolutely brilliant?

I'd jump at the chance to get that Barkley back. Unfortunately, we'd probably get 1 or 2 of those a season, followed by 20 or so Danny Drinkwater tribute act showings, with the rest of the time being spent on the treatment table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2022, 10:11:50 AM
His stroppiness at being substituted most games was embarassing to watch. Big sulky head on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 19, 2022, 10:24:01 AM
They must have been laughing their heads off when we agreed to take Ireland.  :-\

He did have an amazing reef tank though so that mitigates it a bit :)

(https://www.aquariumarchitecture.com/site/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/aquarium-architecture-footballers-pad-stephen-ireland-03.jpg)

It does indeed, there’s no way on earth he looked after that himself. Very nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 19, 2022, 11:40:15 AM
Remember that game at Arsenal where Barkley (and Grealish) were absolutely brilliant?

I'd jump at the chance to get that Barkley back. Unfortunately, we'd probably get 1 or 2 of those a season, followed by 20 or so Danny Drinkwater tribute act showings, with the rest of the time being spent on the treatment table.

Yep, he was great for 2-3 games, and then a 50/50 split of mediocre/shite for everything else. Plus in Coutinho/Buendia/Ramsey/Bailey/Traore we're not short of attacking players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2022, 11:51:42 AM
From memory, Barkley was doing really well until he picked up an injury early on in a home game and was never the same after that. Shame really as there's a decent player in there. On a free, there wil be a few takers I would have thought.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on July 19, 2022, 12:05:35 PM
Would imagine if he wants to match his Chelsea salary he will have very few options but if he has reasonable demands and Chelsea don’t want huge fee then it would be silly for a few teams not to take a punt on him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 19, 2022, 01:39:07 PM
As long as it’s not us !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 19, 2022, 01:41:13 PM
From memory, Barkley was doing really well until he picked up an injury early on in a home game and was never the same after that. Shame really as there's a decent player in there. On a free, there wil be a few takers I would have thought.
There is a very good player in there IMO, but his confidence has been shattered & I don't think we should be in the business of rebuilding it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2022, 02:08:56 PM
Buyt we've got one of England's greatest ever midfielders in charge, if anyone can Gerrard can, surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 19, 2022, 02:10:53 PM
I don't really see what that's got to do with anything. We didn't have a brilliant midfield under Sherwood or Lambert and our defence was better than our attack under Little.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 19, 2022, 02:19:26 PM
Buyt we've got one of England's greatest ever midfielders in charge, if anyone can Gerrard can, surely.

I think he's shot, physically speaking. He's still technically excellent, obviously, and will be able to do a job for someone at Premier League level I imagine, but he just didn't seem to get around the pitch very well towards the end of his time here, not a fitness thing, more a general mobility thing - which simply won't work for us when you consider what Gerrard expects from his midfielders.

I'll be forever grateful for his debut, and a few other moments in a Villa shirt including the late, late winner at Leicester, but I wouldn't be in a rush to bring him back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 19, 2022, 02:22:40 PM
Sorry, it was a tongue-in-cheek comment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 19, 2022, 02:28:56 PM
They won't entertain Ross Barkley, it's a lose-lose scenario.

We don't know what his maximum level is anymore because he hasn't played consistently in several years.  We don't know if he can even consistently perform at a high level anymore, whether that's mentally or physically. He's going to take time to get to back up to speed and find his level, at least a season or so, by which time he's going to be 30 years old. In order to progress him we would have to give him minutes we would normally give to young players and therefore stunt their development and future value.

It's far too big a gamble and one we don't have to take. I'd think Everton with their financial issues, lesser squad depth and without as much academy prospects would be more willing to take that gamble, much like they have with Dele Alli.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 19, 2022, 02:57:42 PM
Ross Barkley is a fraud of the highest order. Another Steven Ireland or Nzogbia who thinks his perceived ability with the ball should exempt him from running, tackling...the absolute basics of being able to compete in other words. Dreadful attitude to boot, sitting down in front of an empty Holte End his most noteworthy task in a Villa shirt. Paying an 11m loan fee for that character was up there with some of the worst business we have ever done, thankfully we did avoid signing him permanently.

He's another Micah Richards part time footballer deluding himself that's he's a top player at a big club just needing a chance to show his worth. If he cared at all about his career he would have left Chelsea years ago to get back on track. Whoever gets him will be mugged off, Everton fans despise him after he didn't try a leg for them running down his contract to get his big move so would be stunned if he goes there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2022, 03:20:33 PM
Can we please stop talking about the cnut and move-on?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2022, 03:24:42 PM
Can we please stop talking about the cnut and move-on?

Yep, he's been dead for nearly a 1000 years
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
Can we please stop talking about the cnut and move-on?

 :) :) :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 19, 2022, 04:40:15 PM
Can we please stop talking about the cnut and move-on?

 :) :) :) :) :) :)

and it was Cnut the great to you
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2022, 05:33:07 PM
Sorry Todd, no can do.

Also, if I was worth the kind of money this guy is, there's no way on earth I'd still be known as fucking 'Todd'
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2022, 05:39:39 PM
Cantwell still up for grabs?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 19, 2022, 05:41:43 PM
"If Todd calls, we're not in?"

"Which Todd?"

"Any fucking Todd!"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2022, 06:45:49 PM
Cantwell is the new Beckford.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 19, 2022, 07:05:18 PM
Another one who seems to have fucked up his career by thinking he's all that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 19, 2022, 07:45:13 PM
Sorry Todd, no can do.

Also, if I was worth the kind of money this guy is, there's no way on earth I'd still be known as fucking 'Todd'

"What, Todd? Seriously?"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on July 19, 2022, 09:18:32 PM
Cantwell is the new Beckford.

One thing about Beckford is that he carried on playing at lower levels for quite a few years. Credit to him for that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 19, 2022, 09:26:37 PM
I see that Beckford is at it again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2022, 09:48:39 PM
I see that Beckford is at it again.

Ha ha. Memories.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2022, 10:01:33 PM
Heh. Flintstone is doing his best to make-up for the long-departed Cooper's Injury and gregnash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 20, 2022, 12:13:00 AM
Sorry Todd, no can do.

Also, if I was worth the kind of money this guy is, there's no way on earth I'd still be known as fucking 'Todd'

"What, Todd? Seriously?"

I will never hear that name on not think that. Unless I forget who I am or sutin.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2022, 08:48:25 PM
A problem we have is that we've got 33 players in Australia and another 3 players who aren't over there. We need to reduce that to more manageable numbers. That could delay some of our progress this year as we may have to use players that we would ideally be moving on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 20, 2022, 08:51:03 PM
How many of those 33 are babbies?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 20, 2022, 08:57:19 PM
Thing is some of those 'babbies' are going to be worth keeping around. You would think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan, maybe Iroegbunam but he's still looked good. We really need to find new homes for some of them to make space for better quality players with the better younger players being allowed to come through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2022, 09:38:58 PM
Thing is some of those 'babbies' are going to be worth keeping around. You would think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan, maybe Iroegbunam but he's still looked good. We really need to find new homes for some of them to make space for better quality players with the better younger players being allowed to come through.

Hause, Ramsey Jnr, Sanson, Guilbert will go on loans. KKH prob as well with Young and Konsa/Chambers covering RB.
Decisions on Archer and Tim will be made post Aus tour and late on

Traore, El Ghazi, will leave
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 20, 2022, 09:50:52 PM
Thing is some of those 'babbies' are going to be worth keeping around. You would think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan, maybe Iroegbunam but he's still looked good. We really need to find new homes for some of them to make space for better quality players with the better younger players being allowed to come through.

Hause, Ramsey Jnr, Sanson, Guilbert will go on loans. KKH prob as well with Young and Konsa/Chambers covering RB.
Decisions on Archer and Tim will be made post Aus tour and late on

Traore, El Ghazi, will leave

Your opinion or based on what you’ve been told?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 20, 2022, 10:49:17 PM
Thing is some of those 'babbies' are going to be worth keeping around. You would think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan, maybe Iroegbunam but he's still looked good. We really need to find new homes for some of them to make space for better quality players with the better younger players being allowed to come through.

Hause, Ramsey Jnr, Sanson, Guilbert will go on loans. KKH prob as well with Young and Konsa/Chambers covering RB.
Decisions on Archer and Tim will be made post Aus tour and late on

Traore, El Ghazi, will leave

Your opinion or based on what you’ve been told?

Bit of both to be honest. Filling in a few gaps of stuff I’ve heard
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2022, 11:48:27 PM
I’d like big Tim to stay and see him play next to Bouba in another friendly. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2022, 08:05:28 AM
Thing is some of those 'babbies' are going to be worth keeping around. You would think Aaron Ramsey will go out on loan, maybe Iroegbunam but he's still looked good. We really need to find new homes for some of them to make space for better quality players with the better younger players being allowed to come through.

Hause, Ramsey Jnr, Sanson, Guilbert will go on loans. KKH prob as well with Young and Konsa/Chambers covering RB.
Decisions on Archer and Tim will be made post Aus tour and late on

Traore, El Ghazi, will leave
all that makes sense.
And - yes - I'd like to see Tim get games alongside Bouba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2022, 01:33:58 PM
Chrisene will go out on loan too I suspect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 21, 2022, 02:39:44 PM
And i would imagine Feeney also  - i think he would be ready for championship now
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2022, 06:40:19 PM
Chrisene will go out on loan too I suspect.

Saw him interviewed on FB, comes across very well for an 18 year old footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 21, 2022, 06:46:14 PM
And i would imagine Feeney also  - i think he would be ready for championship now

He's what, 17? SG obviously loves him. Another lovely interview with one of our kids on the OS. Happy to see he's loving it here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on July 21, 2022, 07:57:43 PM
Lingard has completed a one year deal worth to 200,000 per week at Nottingham Forest

Absolute madness
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2022, 08:24:06 PM
Great deal for Forest, could be the difference between staying up and going down, and if it is one year then pretty low risk.

Being discussed here...

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.msg4193607#new
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 21, 2022, 08:54:46 PM
Great deal for Forest, could be the difference between staying up and going down, and if it is one year then pretty low risk.

Being discussed here...

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.msg4193607#new
Pretty mental salary, isn't it?! What's our top salary? - Ings on £125k, and Phil on <£200k?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2022, 08:57:57 PM
Been impressed with Steve Cooper at Forest so far - and at Swansea before that.

But if he's pushed for Lingard and told the board do whatever it takes, he's off his rocker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on July 21, 2022, 09:21:15 PM
had a good spell with WHU including scoring against us
Not for me though, could be a good signing for Forest, no Capex 12 months Opex and if he scores goals and keeps them up a bargain
What they need now is a strong forward who holds the ball up well but does not score many goals
I think I  know the perfect fit
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 21, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
Wouldn’t have been a terrible signing for us and an excellent one for Forest………at about 1/3 of that salary!
At that it’s a big, big gamble. Ok it’s only a year but how much of their resources is that taking up for the year?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2022, 09:57:58 PM
Great deal for Forest, could be the difference between staying up and going down, and if it is one year then pretty low risk.

Being discussed here...

https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=47211.msg4193607#new
Pretty mental salary, isn't it?! What's our top salary? - Ings on £125k, and Phil on <£200k?

Well, Forest are probably the least attractive team in the league (the other two newly promoted clubs are in London and the area of Britain's highest house prices), so they had no choice but to overpay to get him. I'm glad Man U miss out on any fee as they acted like twats to him when be wanted to leave and play matches.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2022, 10:00:04 PM
Wouldn’t have been a terrible signing for us and an excellent one for Forest………at about 1/3 of that salary!
At that it’s a big, big gamble. Ok it’s only a year but how much of their resources is that taking up for the year?

£10.4m.

Good deal IMAO.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on July 21, 2022, 10:21:10 PM
Wouldn’t have been a terrible signing for us and an excellent one for Forest………at about 1/3 of that salary!
At that it’s a big, big gamble. Ok it’s only a year but how much of their resources is that taking up for the year?

£10.4m.

Wouldn’t have been a terrible signing for us and an excellent one for Forest………at about 1/3 of that salary!
At that it’s a big, big gamble. Ok it’s only a year but how much of their resources is that taking up for the year?

£10.4m.

Good deal IMAO.

Good deal IMAO.

I know it's huge wages but if they go down they won't be stuck with a player on massive wages in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 21, 2022, 10:25:20 PM
Clever deal. They will get lots of interest a media hype given their terrific history and the deal will end of pretty much paying for itself with sponsorship and higher tickets prices, shirt sales etc.  raises their profile too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 21, 2022, 10:28:44 PM
Yes, like Maradona joining Napoli.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2022, 10:29:49 PM
Yes, like Maradona joining Napoli.

Hopefully without the cocaine and hookers, I've never been to Nottingham though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 21, 2022, 10:32:12 PM
Yes, like Maradona joining Napoli.

Hopefully without the cocaine and hookers, I've never been to Nottingham though.

I have, and I wouldn't be so sure about your assumption. Had some great nights out there in the past.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 21, 2022, 10:34:18 PM
Yes, like Maradona joining Napoli.

Hopefully without the cocaine and hookers, I've never been to Nottingham though.

Bizarre use of the word 'hopefully' here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2022, 10:38:14 PM
I reckon if he more or less single-handedly wins Forest two league titles, a cup and a European trophy they won't begrudge him all the Peruvian Dancing Sugar and ladies of dubious repute he can get his hands on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2022, 10:42:29 PM
Lots of reports (from admittedly questionable sources) today that we're in for Ibrahim Sangare for £20m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 21, 2022, 10:58:22 PM
Lots of reports (from admittedly questionable sources) today that we're in for Ibrahim Sangare for £20m.

This would make my balls tingle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2022, 11:08:35 PM
What does he do?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2022, 11:30:05 PM
Lingard has completed a one year deal worth to 200,000 per week at Nottingham Forest

Absolute madness

8 assists in 7 seasons at Old Trafford? His agent must be a superstar. Clearly going to Forest for footballing reasons though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2022, 11:41:22 PM
Yes, like Maradona joining Napoli.

Hopefully without the cocaine and hookers, I've never been to Nottingham though.

I have, and I wouldn't be so sure about your assumption. Had some great nights out there in the past.

All i really know about Nottingham = "OMG! THERE'S THREE WOMEN TO EVERY MAN!!!11!!" which was the score in the 1980s
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 21, 2022, 11:44:38 PM
Four to one was the claim when I used to head up there every now and then in the nineties.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 21, 2022, 11:56:57 PM
6 to 1 was the claim I heard in the 90s from afar in Dublin.

Sounds like Lee's the guide to have should we wish to check the current true ratio.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 21, 2022, 11:57:09 PM
Maybe the extra female populus explains the fact that it has the only Hooters in the UK.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on July 22, 2022, 12:00:43 AM
What does he do?

DM for PSV. Makes your balls tingle as well apparently, like one of those shampoos.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2022, 12:11:03 AM
Lots of reports (from admittedly questionable sources) today that we're in for Ibrahim Sangare for £20m.

This would be fantastic, he'd give us something completely different in there and allow us to play a DM and 2 CMs or go toa  double pivot with a more attacking player in front. We'd even be able to adjust it on the fly during games to take advantage of space, etc.

What does he do?

I think he often gets listed as a DM but from what I can see he's a DM in the same way that people like Vieria and Yaya Toure were, capable of winning the ball back but then driving up the field with it. Not as cultured as either of them and probably needs to add more goals to his game but young enough to improve and would add a lot of extra height into our squad, which we really need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 22, 2022, 12:42:45 AM
Wouldn’t have been a terrible signing for us and an excellent one for Forest………at about 1/3 of that salary!
At that it’s a big, big gamble. Ok it’s only a year but how much of their resources is that taking up for the year?

£10.4m.

Good deal IMAO.

Indeed, that’s less than a season of Ross Barkley cost us, so in premier league terms, it’s not huge amounts.  If they stay up, and he’s contributed to that, it’ll be the signing of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2022, 01:03:31 AM


All i really know about Nottingham = "OMG! THERE'S THREE WOMEN TO EVERY MAN!!!11!!" which was the score in the 1980s

The locals really, really like it when you ask them that too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2022, 01:05:53 AM
Forest fans like it when you say Notts Forest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2022, 01:08:50 AM
To paraphrase the late Joe Strummer,  let's have some signings now, huh?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2022, 01:23:56 AM
I reckon nothing happens until August now, then we sneak one more in about two days before the first game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richardb on July 22, 2022, 11:19:47 AM
So Ben Mee has signed for Brentford. We get to see him again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on July 22, 2022, 11:35:12 AM


All i really know about Nottingham = "OMG! THERE'S THREE WOMEN TO EVERY MAN!!!11!!" which was the score in the 1980s

The locals really, really like it when you ask them that too.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/3173748.stm


A total myth. That said I lived there from my mid 20s to early 40s and the overall aesthetic standard (again could have been related my pre marital status) of women was on the strong side compared

I think it was the first University City to have an even split of male/female students back in early 90s when most were running 60-40.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2022, 11:53:19 AM
So Ben Mee has signed for Brentford. We get to see him again.

CDBullyBears already hates the Bees enough as it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2022, 12:23:06 PM
Lots of reports (from admittedly questionable sources) today that we're in for Ibrahim Sangare for £20m.

This would be fantastic, he'd give us something completely different in there and allow us to play a DM and 2 CMs or go toa  double pivot with a more attacking player in front. We'd even be able to adjust it on the fly during games to take advantage of space, etc.

What does he do?

I think he often gets listed as a DM but from what I can see he's a DM in the same way that people like Vieria and Yaya Toure were, capable of winning the ball back but then driving up the field with it. Not as cultured as either of them and probably needs to add more goals to his game but young enough to improve and would add a lot of extra height into our squad, which we really need.

I don't recall Viera being particularly cultured but he was quick, tough and most importantly fucking everywhere which is exactly what we need. Toure was a little more technical though, but better further forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2022, 12:28:28 PM
Lots of reports (from admittedly questionable sources) today that we're in for Ibrahim Sangare for £20m.

This would be fantastic, he'd give us something completely different in there and allow us to play a DM and 2 CMs or go toa  double pivot with a more attacking player in front. We'd even be able to adjust it on the fly during games to take advantage of space, etc.

What does he do?

I think he often gets listed as a DM but from what I can see he's a DM in the same way that people like Vieria and Yaya Toure were, capable of winning the ball back but then driving up the field with it. Not as cultured as either of them and probably needs to add more goals to his game but young enough to improve and would add a lot of extra height into our squad, which we really need.

I don't recall Viera being particularly cultured but he was quick, tough and most importantly fucking everywhere which is exactly what we need. Toure was a little more technical though, but better further forward.

It's more that he always looked in control, Sangare looks a bit like Bertie in that it usually works out fine but it sometimes looks as if each leg is being controlled by a different person.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2022, 12:35:58 PM
Ah, well yes compared to that they were then !

I think our midfielders for the most part are very competent with the ball but we haven’t got the bite and the energy so hopefully this guy could be the answer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 22, 2022, 12:40:43 PM
I know that sounded really harsh but as I say, I think he's exactly what we could do with.




The video shows exactly what I mean but also shows that it's a bit of an illusion because he's actually really good carrying the ball out of defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2022, 12:46:07 PM
A double pivot of Kamara and Sangare in front of Mings and Diego Carlos would make us a lot more solid and help us to retain the ball better, allowing Cash and Digne to get forward and Buendia and Coutinho to play a forward in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on July 22, 2022, 12:51:01 PM
Another MF is essential, hopefully they can get one of their main targets, whoever it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: exigo on July 22, 2022, 12:57:41 PM
Lehmann's signed a one-year contract extension, so presumably Dougie will be hammering at the door to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on July 22, 2022, 01:21:14 PM
Lehmann's signed a one-year contract extension, so presumably Dougie will be hammering at the door to stay.

More likely run his contract down then leave for free next summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2022, 01:35:12 PM
If he tries that, give him the Chucky treatment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 22, 2022, 02:26:24 PM
If he tries that, give him the Chucky treatment.

Gerrard has said that they haven’t had any enquiries or offers for him. So it’s not like Doug is playing the Chuck like approach. If we do get a decent offer and can replace I’m sure he’d be off. Otherwise I suspect he’ll play another season and be off. Or we have a cracking start and he feels compelled to stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 22, 2022, 02:45:25 PM
I'm hoping he signs shortly after getting back from Oz/France.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2022, 03:25:41 PM
I know that sounded really harsh but as I say, I think he's exactly what we could do with.




The video shows exactly what I mean but also shows that it's a bit of an illusion because he's actually really good carrying the ball out of defence.

Did not really know anything about this guy but his tape looks good - he has almost telescopic legs :)  Considering his height and a listed attribute was his ariel presence i did not see much evidence of it in the show reel
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2022, 03:42:41 PM
I know that sounded really harsh but as I say, I think he's exactly what we could do with.




The video shows exactly what I mean but also shows that it's a bit of an illusion because he's actually really good carrying the ball out of defence.

Weakness: discipline.

I can identify with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 22, 2022, 03:43:12 PM
Lehmann's signed a one-year contract extension, so presumably Dougie will be hammering at the door to stay.

Not sure that's the phrase I would have chosen in this instance. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 22, 2022, 03:45:14 PM
Hadn't heard of Sangare before today, but YouTube vid looks good.

Get him in!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2022, 05:05:31 PM
Has anywhere remotely credible linked us to Sangare. Only things I can see are the usual Football Insider nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2022, 05:28:19 PM
Nothing credible but these days, by the time you're seeing something credible it's practically a done deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2022, 05:34:56 PM
To put it another way then, has anything that's appeared on Football Insider ever come to pass?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2022, 05:36:39 PM
To put it another way then, has anything that's appeared on Football Insider ever come to pass?

The date at the top of the page.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 22, 2022, 05:38:07 PM
Probably but in the same way that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

Is this thread not about discussing transfer speculation though? I didn't realise that any transfer talk had to be vetted and qualified before it could be posted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 22, 2022, 05:39:12 PM
To put it another way then, has anything that's appeared on Football Insider ever come to pass?

The date at the top of the page.


Have you checked, or are you assuming?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 22, 2022, 05:52:26 PM
I think a bit of clutching at straws is always likely when we haven’t signed anyone in like, ages.

Disgrace !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 22, 2022, 06:50:35 PM
He looks a big bugger but if he is to join he has to lose the stupid Pogba blonde lick.  No silly hair do's in our team thank you. We are not Leeds for fucks sake  ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 22, 2022, 08:24:29 PM
Probably but in the same way that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

Is this thread not about discussing transfer speculation though? I didn't realise that any transfer talk had to be vetted and qualified before it could be posted.
Let’s rename the thread total blocks then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 22, 2022, 11:06:51 PM
Probably but in the same way that even a blind squirrel occasionally finds a nut.

Is this thread not about discussing transfer speculation though? I didn't realise that any transfer talk had to be vetted and qualified before it could be posted.
Let’s rename the thread total blocks then.
Didn’t it used to be called ‘Transfer rumours and total boll*x’?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 22, 2022, 11:12:03 PM
He was linked or suggested a few months back.  He only has 12-months left on his contract so the price quoted was about £20m.
Looks a bargain (although the inoffensive soundtrack maybe meant I watched more than i usually would).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2022, 11:50:03 PM
He was linked or suggested a few months back.  He only has 12-months left on his contract so the price quoted was about £20m.
Looks a bargain (although the inoffensive soundtrack maybe meant I watched more than i usually would).

I'd watch more of these things if they played say Minnie Ripperton singing  'Loving You' over them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 23, 2022, 12:49:15 AM
He was linked or suggested a few months back.  He only has 12-months left on his contract so the price quoted was about £20m.
Looks a bargain (although the inoffensive soundtrack maybe meant I watched more than i usually would).

I'd watch more of these things if they played say Minnie Ripperton singing  'Loving You' over them.

Uh-oh, brace yourself Mrs B.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2022, 01:47:23 AM
He was linked or suggested a few months back.  He only has 12-months left on his contract so the price quoted was about £20m.
Looks a bargain (although the inoffensive soundtrack maybe meant I watched more than i usually would).

I'd watch more of these things if they played say Minnie Ripperton singing  'Loving You' over them.

Peace in our Time by turkey necked Cliff Richards in 9T3. That was the high water mark for music and the human experience in general.

That and Dave Clarke Red 1.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 23, 2022, 01:15:27 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange were at a PSV game towards the end of the season. The speculation was that they were watching Madueke but I think it was accepted that it was more likely to watch Sangare. Gerrard has since gone on to say in an interview with the official site that he would still like another centre midfielder if he can. So I think there's a bit more to the story than it being complete bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on July 23, 2022, 01:22:00 PM
We need another (proven) striker and Ings needs to go but if suitable money were offred for Watkins - we probably should consider selling him. Have Archer + new proven striker + one off Ings/Watkins
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 23, 2022, 01:23:08 PM
I hope so OCD. If we want to free up the likes of Bailey, Coutinho etc, I'd like us to play one striker with three attacking midfielders behind that one striker. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard on July 23, 2022, 03:39:22 PM
I like the idea of the 3 - Buendia, Bailey and Phil - behind one striker but that requires 2 defensive specialists behind - Kamara and Tim perhaps, not sure the others fit the bill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on July 23, 2022, 04:16:47 PM
I like the idea of the 3 - Buendia, Bailey and Phil - behind one striker but that requires 2 defensive specialists behind - Kamara and Tim perhaps, not sure the others fit the bill.

I think Kamara can sit whilst allowing the other Luiz/Sanson/McGinn/Ramsey to play box-to-box. In other games where we don't want to be so expansive, we can remove one of the 3 AM's and add in another #8, or as you suggest another #6.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 24, 2022, 09:43:54 PM
There are a lot of PL teams that are looking to trim their squads of unwanted players, look at the players that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' Chelsea Arse Spuds Leicester are trying to move on. The secondary market  has contracted as Championship and European clubs are struggling financially.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 24, 2022, 09:48:17 PM
There are a lot of PL teams that are looking to trim their squads of unwanted players, look at the players that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' Chelsea Arse Spuds Leicester are trying to move on. The secondary market  has contracted as Championship and European clubs are struggling financially.

I was looking at the net spends in the Championship this very morning, and it’s woeful.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2022, 12:10:12 AM
There are a lot of PL teams that are looking to trim their squads of unwanted players, look at the players that 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' Chelsea Arse Spuds Leicester are trying to move on. The secondary market  has contracted as Championship and European clubs are struggling financially.


Exactly this. It may look like we took a haircut on Trez for instance, but it's the reality of the post covid market worldwide.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2022, 01:03:27 AM
I think we will announce a decent signing this week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2022, 01:41:55 PM
I think we will announce a decent signing this week.

Guess / ITK / Feel it in your water / Other?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2022, 02:21:17 PM
I reckon more outs before Ins.

Traore, Guilbert, Keinan, Luiz and eventually Chuck.

We will replace Luiz and then wait til January
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2022, 02:26:58 PM
I reckon more outs before Ins.

Traore, Guilbert, Keinan, Luiz and eventually Chuck.

We will replace Luiz and then wait til January

Swap Bert for AEG and add question marks to the last 2, I'd add a question mark against Sanson still as well because I think him or Luiz will go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2022, 02:28:38 PM
We'll definitely bring in another midfielder, he's mentioned it enough times for there not to be something happening there. Not sure there will be much else though but we may be OK really at least till January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2022, 02:29:19 PM
Sanson has beefed-up over the summer, I thought that was the one thing holding him back. He's got the touch and the positional sense. I'd keep him if we can get a decent fee for Luiz which is more likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2022, 02:36:50 PM
We'll definitely bring in another midfielder, he's mentioned it enough times for there not to be something happening there. Not sure there will be much else though but we may be OK really at least till January.

Yep, Agreed, it's a badly kept secret at this point that he wants another one in there but someone will need to go out, I can't decide if it's taking so long because we want to move someone on first or if we're waiting for things to get sorted on the other side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2022, 02:40:32 PM
I reckon more outs before Ins.

Traore, Guilbert, Keinan, Luiz and eventually Chuck.

We will replace Luiz and then wait til January

Swap Bert for AEG and add question marks to the last 2, I'd add a question mark against Sanson still as well because I think him or Luiz will go.

Bert and Guilbert were left out of the squad for the last game (can’t read too much into this) I’d assumed AEG had left already ( forgot about him).

We have quite a few to shift out haven’t we.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2022, 02:46:05 PM
I quite like Guilbert but the emergence of KKH has probably made him even more surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2022, 03:12:53 PM
I quite like Guilbert but the emergence of KKH has probably made him even more surplus to requirements.

Yep, agreed, this tour has shown that KKH neds to be integrated into the squad this season and that makes it hard to find space for Guilbert.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on July 25, 2022, 03:24:56 PM
How has Kamara looked so far (as the elusive no.6) in the pre season games? Ready to step up straight into the starting X1 v Bournemouth or fighting Luiz and Nakamba for a start?

Seems a very strange market so far, going to be a lot of bargains to be had in the last couple of weeks as EPL clubs try and dump the deadwood.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 03:26:53 PM
Yes, he's looked very good so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 25, 2022, 03:39:17 PM
Possibly that Nakamba is also not in the plans - he did not seem to feature much on tour and if he did he was unoticeable
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 25, 2022, 03:44:35 PM
I'd like us to hang on to Nakamba. I'd like the main 4 next season for 3 positions to be the new player, Kamara, McGinn and Ramsey with Nakamba and either Luiz or Sanson as back ups. I'd sell one of those, probably which ever one we can get the most money for.

I'd agree that Guilbert's goose is probably cooked now KKH is coming through and looking the part. Shame as he's really not a bad player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2022, 03:49:51 PM
How has Kamara looked so far (as the elusive no.6) in the pre season games? Ready to step up straight into the starting X1 v Bournemouth or fighting Luiz and Nakamba for a start?

Seems a very strange market so far, going to be a lot of bargains to be had in the last couple of weeks as EPL clubs try and dump the deadwood.

He has looked decent, although the Man U game pace seemed to be a shock to him. But certainly looked like he’d adapt quickly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 25, 2022, 03:52:05 PM
I reckon more outs before Ins.

Traore, Guilbert, Keinan, Luiz and eventually Chuck.

We will replace Luiz and then wait til January

Swap Bert for AEG and add question marks to the last 2, I'd add a question mark against Sanson still as well because I think him or Luiz will go.

Here’s a left field suggestion for you Paul ( I know you like these)
Luiz and Sanson both to stay, McGinn to go, if an offer comes in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 25, 2022, 03:55:13 PM
I reckon more outs before Ins.

Traore, Guilbert, Keinan, Luiz and eventually Chuck.

We will replace Luiz and then wait til January

Swap Bert for AEG and add question marks to the last 2, I'd add a question mark against Sanson still as well because I think him or Luiz will go.

Here’s a left field suggestion for you Paul ( I know you like these)
Luiz and Sanson both to stay, McGinn to go, if an offer comes in?

I'd consider it but Gerrard won't (in my opinion).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2022, 03:55:15 PM
Bert, AEG, Doug, Carney, Sanson, Fred, Hause, could all go before the end of the window still.

We need 1 more better midfield player, Sangaire would do nicely, and a striker that resembles a prime Benteke.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 25, 2022, 04:04:26 PM
Bert, AEG, Doug, Carney, Sanson, Fred, Hause, could all go before the end of the window still.
We need 1 more better midfield player, Sangaire would do nicely, and a striker that resembles a prime Benteke.
I think the issue with offloads is finding the buyers with the money to spend (on wages as well as fees) and who want our cast-offs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 25, 2022, 04:39:29 PM
Bert, AEG, Doug, Carney, Sanson, Fred, Hause, could all go before the end of the window still.

We need 1 more better midfield player, Sangaire would do nicely, and a striker that resembles a prime Benteke.

Looks like he may be on the move. Not the prime version mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 25, 2022, 04:51:17 PM
Sanson looked good in his last appearance and played like he was proving a point. Seemed stronger and quicker to me.

Definitely wouldn’t  sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 05:12:48 PM
Sanson looked good in his last appearance and played like he was proving a point. Seemed stronger and quicker to me.

Definitely wouldn’t  sell.
But he's been give such little game time pre-season I can't imagine us keeping him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on July 25, 2022, 05:14:34 PM
I think we will announce a decent signing this week.

Guess / ITK / Feel it in your water / Other?

Just a guess mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 07:31:19 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 25, 2022, 07:34:29 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

Sounds like he’s got three nipples and an island fortress.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 07:40:26 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

Sounds like he’s got three nipples and an island fortress.
Ha yes, I did think that!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 25, 2022, 07:59:16 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

Sounds like he’s got three nipples and an island fortress.

Gian Scamacca new? Hey! Gotta no respect......
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2022, 08:16:11 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

To repeat from the Other Transfers thread:

Strikers coming off one great season in Serie A tend not to do very well, and strikers going to West Ham for loads of money tend not to do very well.

Calling it now - a goal on his debut, a hat-trick in the first League Cup game they play, followed by one in his next ten, the second half of the season on the bench and then a season long loan to Genoa next summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2022, 08:39:46 PM
Andrea Silenzi's second coming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2022, 08:51:08 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

To repeat from the Other Transfers thread:

Strikers coming off one great season in Serie A tend not to do very well, and strikers going to West Ham for loads of money tend not to do very well.

Calling it now - a goal on his debut, a hat-trick in the first League Cup game they play, followed by one in his next ten, the second half of the season on the bench and then a season long loan to Genoa next summer.

Yep and isn’t he 6 foot 9? I may be completely wrong but I suspect mobility might be an issue, which wouldn’t be such a problem in Serie A.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2022, 08:53:53 PM
He'll be a poor man's Rolando Bianchi.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 25, 2022, 08:58:43 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

He’s a very good talent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 25, 2022, 09:09:00 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

To repeat from the Other Transfers thread:

Strikers coming off one great season in Serie A tend not to do very well, and strikers going to West Ham for loads of money tend not to do very well.

Calling it now - a goal on his debut, a hat-trick in the first League Cup game they play, followed by one in his next ten, the second half of the season on the bench and then a season long loan to Genoa next summer.


I'll go with a goal in each of his first three appearances, then what you said.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 25, 2022, 10:18:52 PM
There’s no guarantees but he looks well suited to the PL to me.  We’ll see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2022, 10:25:29 PM
He'll be a poor man's Rolando Bianchi.

Corrado Grabbi says hello.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2022, 10:26:03 PM
Never heard of him but think he is brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2022, 10:26:32 PM
Never heard of him but think he is rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2022, 10:26:49 PM
I will cunningly delete one of the above messages at the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2022, 10:30:26 PM
Remember Pierlugi Casiraghi having a great rep and being Blues at Chelsea too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 25, 2022, 10:48:21 PM
Never heard of him but think he is brilliant.
Never heard of him but think he is rubbish.

Hah, thwarted your evil plan! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 25, 2022, 10:54:13 PM
RISSSSOOOOO!!!!

*shakes fist angrily
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 25, 2022, 11:09:10 PM
Not worthy of a new thread but blimey, Gabby Agbonlahor and Richard Keys are having a cat-fight on Twitter and Gabby is being erudite (of erdington) and winning!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 25, 2022, 11:18:11 PM
Not worthy of a new thread but blimey, Gabby Agbonlahor and Richard Keys are having a cat-fight on Twitter and Gabby is being erudite (of erdington) and winning!

Richard Keys is an absolute fuckwit, so yeah, go Gabby, fill yer boots.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 25, 2022, 11:50:37 PM
Not worthy of a new thread but blimey, Gabby Agbonlahor and Richard Keys are having a cat-fight on Twitter and Gabby is being erudite (of erdington) and winning!

Richard Keys is an absolute fuckwit, so yeah, go Gabby, fill yer boots.

It's like gutter rats having a barney over which is worse. Although Keys wins that hairy hands down.

Moyes has a pretty decent hit rate with transfers at West Ham so I would think a lot of diligence has gone into Scamacca. He holds up the ball and gets 7-8 goals while Bowen and the others score a few he'll be a decent buy.

All the noise at Villa was Gerrard has a pretty big budget this summer, having negotiated Coutinho into reasonable money, Kamara on a free and Carlos for £26m, I genuinely think we'll see a couple of big buys coming in at some point still.

Watching our pre season games, I still don't think either Ings or Watkins suit our team, neither are good enough at any particular aspect to fully back them, and Archer looks close but maybe another 12 months starting in the champ might round him off a bit, much like the season Tammy had with us after Bristol and Swansea.

I would also love to see a Thiago type, that just keeps the ball ticking and moving in midfield. Mcginn and Ramsey are too similar long term. Maybe Luiz can do that though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on July 26, 2022, 01:09:39 AM
Remember Pierlugi Casiraghi having a great rep and being Blues at Chelsea too.

Injury ended his career there. Was a decent striker in his day in Seria A and with Italy at a time when it was the best league in the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2022, 02:55:22 AM
I heard this new Italian is flip hot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on July 26, 2022, 10:25:20 AM
If we are looking for a striker Andrea Beloti, formerly of Torino is a free agent. Apparently, Newcastle, West Ham and Dortmund are all looking at him. Proven goal scorer and still only 28 years old.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 26, 2022, 10:37:19 AM
The Athletic reporting that Watford are looking at loaning Hause for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 26, 2022, 10:44:43 AM
He has three years remaining on his contract. If he is surplus to requirements, sell him rather than loaning him. Save loans for up and coming youngsters or players we can't get rid of. I'm sure someone would be tempted to part with cash for Hause, he's a solid performer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 26, 2022, 01:03:04 PM
I guess it's a case of being able to find someone with cash to spend.  You'd think Watford would have a reasonable chance of coming back up ... maybe a season's loan there - if they get promoted, he'd be a bit of a no-brainer for them because we'd most likely let him go for a few million, and they'd get a solid player who was already settled on the cheap. If they don't go up, we'd still be able to flog him for a decent fee to one of the newly promoted teams on the back of a decent season with them.  As you'd said, he's a pretty decent player and I'm fairly sure we'll find a buyer for him next summer anyway as long as he plays a full season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2022, 07:02:12 PM
The Athletic reporting that Watford are looking at loaning Hause for the season.

Don't really want to help them out
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2022, 07:21:29 PM
The Athletic reporting that Watford are looking at loaning Hause for the season.

Don't really want to help them out


why not? They are in the league below us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 26, 2022, 08:02:53 PM
The Athletic reporting that Watford are looking at loaning Hause for the season.

I think he would be a great buy for Norwich.
Certainly better than what they have at the moment
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 26, 2022, 09:12:48 PM
The Athletic reporting that Watford are looking at loaning Hause for the season.

Don't really want to help them out


why not? They are in the league below us.

They only seemed to try against us last year. Also don't like the way they change manager every 5 seconds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 12:59:41 AM
You can't trust a team that ends in "ford". I've largely kept it to myself, but I've taken a real disliking to Brentford in the last few years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on July 27, 2022, 08:55:32 AM
Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??
Perhaps you can point to all the clubs that are receiving top fees for journey men and non elite players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 27, 2022, 09:01:26 AM
Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??

Have you looked at what Championship clubs are spending? Twelve of them have not paid a penny this window. And two more have spent less than a million pounds...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2022, 09:02:27 AM
Didn't we have a discussion about this only a couple over pages back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 09:50:30 AM
Didn't we have a discussion about this only a couple over pages back?
I am sure we did and I am also sure he didn’t respond to any of the points out to him then either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 27, 2022, 09:59:07 AM
Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??

Have you looked at what Championship clubs are spending? Twelve of them have not paid a penny this window. And two more have spent less than a million pounds...
Not even just the Championship - if you look at the players leaving the Premier League for non-Premier-League clubs ...

https://www.theguardian.com/football/ng-interactive/2022/jul/06/football-transfer-window-summer-2022-mens-deals-premier-league-la-liga-bundesliga-serie-a-ligue-1-club-guides


For Championship clubs, most haven't spent anything - Norwich have bought someone for £9.45m from the Brazilian league, and there's 3 or 4 transfers around the £4m-£5m range, all for players from places like the Belgian or Hungarian leagues where presumably the wages are significantly lower than what a squad player would get in the Premier League, so not really comparable.


Basically, we ain't shifting anyone for more than about £10m unless it's either to another Premier League side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 10:03:11 AM
And even then, 4, 5 and 6 on that list are loan deals where they were obligated to sign the player at the end.

Vinaigre is already on his way back, going to Everton. Porro was also supposedly going somewhere else for a profit to Sporting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2022, 10:05:21 AM
Didn't we have a discussion about this only a couple over pages back?
I am sure we did and I am also sure he didn’t respond to any of the points out to him then either.

Sounds true to form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 10:06:23 AM
It's a disgrace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 10:16:25 AM
It's a disgrace.
Dont you start ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 27, 2022, 10:27:51 AM
We had to buy a new squad when we were promoted. We bought in the best we could get at the time in order to re-establish ourselves as a PL club. The law of averages would say that not all of the signings are going to work, and then you need to factor in the fact that even when you've achieved the goal of establishing as a PL club the idea is to build on that so you're going to outgrow even more players. If those players are not in the team and it's obvious we want to move them on to make room for better players you're not going to get very big fees for them. We got a big fee for Grealish because he was our best player.
You would think it would be common sense really but i'll take the time to spell it out.

Add to that the fact that i think that we actually made a slight profit on Targett anyway and ok, sold Trez for about 1/3 what we paid, after his goals kept us up and got us to a league cup final. We actually lost about £7m ish...?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 10:50:01 AM
We had to buy a new squad when we were promoted. We bought in the best we could get at the time in order to re-establish ourselves as a PL club. The law of averages would say that not all of the signings are going to work, and then you need to factor in the fact that even when you've achieved the goal of establishing as a PL club the idea is to build on that so you're going to outgrow even more players. If those players are not in the team and it's obvious we want to move them on to make room for better players you're not going to get very big fees for them. We got a big fee for Grealish because he was our best player.
You would think it would be common sense really but i'll take the time to spell it out.

Add to that the fact that i think that we actually made a slight profit on Targett anyway and ok, sold Trez for about 1/3 what we paid, after his goals kept us up and got us to a league cup final. We actually lost about £7m ish...?

This is all accurate, but its really a waste responding to anything Fred posts, he’s not interested, just wants to moan, raise non issues and obviously gets off on us all then debating and responding. Classic narcissism really and utterly utterly tiresome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on July 27, 2022, 10:52:06 AM
Why do we struggle to sell players for decent money ? Grealish aside it's terrible business. We've basically give Targett and Trezeguet away and struggling to move any fringe player on , it seems we have to end up loaning out players + paying a big chunk of wages?

Terrible business. You'd think some Championship clubs would be after some of our players,at least??



Agreed, just Terrible
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 11:13:10 AM
Probably have to take into account that transfer fees are amortized over the length of a player's contract so even though we sold Targett for around the price we paid for him, that probably looks a lot better in the accounts. You're selling a player with 2 years length on his contract, or whatever, for the price we paid when he had 5 years on his contract.

Also, the market was strong when we bought him. Then Covid hit and you've had a loss of income from games being played behind closed doors, some European Leagues finishing their seasons early and some broadcasters cancelling their deals with leagues.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2022, 11:18:08 AM
"Apart from when we sold a youth product for £100m last year, making him the most expensive English player ever, when do we ever sell players for good money?"

Joking apart, the period when that was really valid was the Lerner years, where rather than sell players MON bought and then decided he didn't fancy after all because they turned up to their first training session in the wrong type of car, or because he didn't like their hair or some random rubbish like that, we'd just let them see out their contracts. The Habib Beye sort of routine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 11:25:42 AM
My biggest problem with the whole post is the 'grealish aside' bit. You can't remove a £100m sale (that was reflected 100% in FFP) and then moan about our sales because our financial position is completely different to what it would have been if he hadn't gone, you can't just remove that from the discussion. If he'd stayed who we signed and who we sold changes and it may well have been that 1-2 other regulars go out instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2022, 12:13:45 PM
I don't see what so controversial about Freds comment.  It's true, we do generally sruggle to get good value when we sell players.  Maybe it's because most of them aren't that good, but we paid good money for a lot of these players and more often than not we're having to give them away for next to nothing and pay up most their contracts too.  It may be the same for a lot of clubs, but it's still an issue we're guilty of.  Selling a generational talent for an incredible fee is a one off and does not expunge that.

I'm not saying these were all bad signings, some like Conor gave excellent value for money, but evern so...

Target -    £13.95    > £15.75 (this was decent business)
Tres -       £9.00  - > £3.6
Kalinic      £5.4m > free
Hourihane £3.15  > free
Samatta   £9.45m   > £5.4
Engels -    £7.2m  > £3.15
Heaton -   £7.92m  > free
Wesley -   £22m > will be a free
Hogan -    £9.45m  > £2.49m
McComrmack £12.87m  > free
Lansbury - £3.06  > free
Chester -   £8.37m  > free
Jota -        £4.05m  > free
Kodjia       £11.52m  > £2.7m
De-Laet     £2.07m  > free
Elphick      £3.51m  > free
Adomah    £3.15  > free
Whelan     £1.53m  > free
Tshibola    £5.31m  > free
Gollini      £4.5m   >  £3.96m
Bree        £3.15m  > free
Nyland     £2.7m > free

in addition
ElGhazi £8.1m > will prob be free
Guilbert £4.5m  > will prob be free
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on July 27, 2022, 12:28:35 PM
We are not a “sell on for profit” club. We are “get rid if not good enough or purpose served” club. That costs money. If anyone made a list of similar waste for Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Spurs it would look truly horrendous. But that’s the way to go if you want success in football in this era.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 27, 2022, 12:57:27 PM
We are not a “sell on for profit” club. We are “get rid if not good enough or purpose served” club. That costs money. If anyone made a list of similar waste for Chelsea, Man City, Man Utd, Spurs it would look truly horrendous. But that’s the way to go if you want success in football in this era.

This is a good point. Whilst there are some glaring Bruce duds on their like Hogan and Lansbury and pre Bruce with McCormack, most of those players we’re bought to do a job, e.g. get us promoted and in dome cases keep us up (Targett, Trez, Samatta). Although promotion took longer than planned, i would say a good percentage of those players played some part to differing degrees. The financial benefits of promotion and cementing our place in the division as we approach our 4th season back, must outweigh much of the financial ‘losses’ on players like Adomah, Whelan, Hourihane and Kodja etc?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2022, 01:20:00 PM
I feel West Ham have pulled off another good deal with Scamacca.  Sounds like he'd be well suited to the PL.

To repeat from the Other Transfers thread:

Strikers coming off one great season in Serie A tend not to do very well, and strikers going to West Ham for loads of money tend not to do very well.

Calling it now - a goal on his debut, a hat-trick in the first League Cup game they play, followed by one in his next ten, the second half of the season on the bench and then a season long loan to Genoa next summer.

Under David Gold and David Sullivan's ownership, West Ham have signed 50 strikers. 20 of them have failed to score a single goal
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 01:29:48 PM
If there had not have been such poor miss management we would not have got relegated, then we had the clear out and had to buy and loan to recover. We continued to make crap purchases aHogan McCormack Samatta Wesley the worst.Many of the players listed above we have maxed out their contracts and or suffered with the financial impact of COVID.
If you look at the squad now it looks stronger and in normal circumstances of greater value but the secondary market has pretty much collapsed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 01:50:38 PM
I don't see what so controversial about Freds comment.  It's true, we do generally sruggle to get good value when we sell players.  Maybe it's because most of them aren't that good, but we paid good money for a lot of these players and more often than not we're having to give them away for next to nothing and pay up most their contracts too.  It may be the same for a lot of clubs, but it's still an issue we're guilty of.  Selling a generational talent for an incredible fee is a one off and does not expunge that.

I'm not saying these were all bad signings, some like Conor gave excellent value for money, but evern so...

Target -    £13.95    > £15.75 (this was decent business)
Tres -       £9.00  - > £3.6
Kalinic      £5.4m > free
Hourihane £3.15  > free
Samatta   £9.45m   > £5.4
Engels -    £7.2m  > £3.15
Heaton -   £7.92m  > free
Wesley -   £22m > will be a free
Hogan -    £9.45m  > £2.49m
McComrmack £12.87m  > free
Lansbury - £3.06  > free
Chester -   £8.37m  > free
Jota -        £4.05m  > free
Kodjia       £11.52m  > £2.7m
De-Laet     £2.07m  > free
Elphick      £3.51m  > free
Adomah    £3.15  > free
Whelan     £1.53m  > free
Tshibola    £5.31m  > free
Gollini      £4.5m   >  £3.96m
Bree        £3.15m  > free
Nyland     £2.7m > free

in addition
ElGhazi £8.1m > will prob be free
Guilbert £4.5m  > will prob be free


Most of those frees were people who got to the end of their contract, that happens to most clubs and in many case they are players who came in, did the job we needed and then left. A few are players who had major injuries and never really recovered, again that happens to every club and it looks bad on us recently mostly due to the fact that we've signed a fuckload of players for the last 7 years (64 players, so over 9 a season).

Yet more were players signed under very different owners and a manager who has a reputation for working this way (along with a manager who acted like a kid in a sweetshop and got sacked within 3 months).

Then you have the fact that covid ripped the guts out of the finances of a lot of leagues meaning players like Guilbert and Engels, who we'd have got our money back for earlier on, are now just priced out of the market of the sort of clubs that would like to sign them.

Finally a handful are just bad signings (and probably fit other categories above), players like Hogan, Kalinic, Samatta and maybe a few others were just overpriced and given wages that were far too high for their ability and McCormack and Lansbury (in particular) were signed despite there being red flags over them that should've made us a lot more cautious. Both of those sort of deals are bad and I'd hope that we've learned from them, I don't see anyone at the club currently that I'd say were like that.

Remember Lange has only been here 2 years and we're yet to try to sell anyone he was involved in signing so, whilst I'm not saying it isn't an area we can improve on, I don't know if it's a fair criticism of the club right now, once we finish up cleaning the squad of the failures from the Summer 19 batch of signings I think we'll be in a better place to work out how the club looks gonig forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2022, 01:58:24 PM
James Bree.

I'd totally forgotten he played for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2022, 02:01:23 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 02:07:43 PM
£118m loss. So with Ratboy we're £18m down. Not bad all things considered.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2022, 02:10:34 PM
£118m loss. So with Ratboy we're £18m down. Not bad all things considered.
The sale of a one off generational talent isn't really relevant to the point being made.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 02:14:51 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

To  put it simply to make decent profits you either have to sell players you'd prefer to keep or you have be high enough up the league to convince teams that the players you don't want are still good enough to play regularly in the league. We aren't either of those but I don't want us to be the former so we need to accept that we might lose money on players until we can regularly compete in Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2022, 02:37:52 PM
Kalinic, Heaton and Nyland. About as useful as three chocolate tea-pots.

Yeah, yeah, Heaton got injured. He still turned-out to be a waste of money and then he buggered-off for free to be No.2 or No.3 somewhere else (Mould Trafford, was it?).

Also, did we really pay that much for Tshibola? That figure looks like the max payable to Reading based on milestones reached. Aaron probably faltered at the first one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 02:59:17 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

Without looking, I reckon Brentford are probably killing it on that count.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2022, 03:07:23 PM
It's not necessarily about making a trading profit, just about getting a little bit of value back.  We don't seem to have been very good at that for a good few years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 03:10:53 PM
£118m loss. So with Ratboy we're £18m down. Not bad all things considered.
The sale of a one off generational talent isn't really relevant to the point being made.

Ignore it then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 03:12:25 PM
It's not necessarily about making a trading profit, just about getting a little bit of value back.  We don't seem to have been very good at that for a good few years.

but 'value' is about more than just money. JUst from your list I'd say Hourihane and El Ghazi in particular played a big enough part in us turning things around and getting promoted that any value we needed from them was delivered on the pitch ages ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 03:13:06 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

Without looking, I reckon Brentford are probably killing it on that count.
Southampton?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 27, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
£118m loss. So with Ratboy we're £18m down. Not bad all things considered.
The sale of a one off generational talent isn't really relevant to the point being made.

Yet it is. Because FFP dictates (d?) our situation. We've balanced the books in that regard. Even if you ignore it, £118m cost to keep us going and get back up is money well spent.

 Lot is wasted, as is the same everywhere. Lot of those frees are players who did their job, and left again. I doubt we were expecting a return on many of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 03:20:24 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

Without looking, I reckon Brentford are probably killing it on that count.
Southampton?

Southampton are my cautionary tale, yes they make profit by selling players on for their vlaue but it means they've stood still for the last decade, which is completely at odds with what we're trying to do.

Brentford is a good shout though, they're about the only club I can think of that works. Leicester maybe as well but they're a bit of a fluke really.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 03:26:51 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

Without looking, I reckon Brentford are probably killing it on that count.
Southampton?

Probably a decent shout. Although they've thrown away a lot of money on dross as well.

Boufal, Gabbiadini, Hoedt, Djenepo, Carillo, Lemina and Elyounoussi is the thick end of £120m, and they've not got much back from that - either in fees or performances.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 03:31:25 PM
Most of the frees were players we couldn't get rid of for a fee who we wanted rid of well before the end of their contracts.

I agree with the earlier points about some of them having done a job.  But it still doesn't invalidate Fred's point, which is we struggle to sell players for any value.

How many clubs in the top 2 divisions in English football over the last 7 years have made a profit on trading? How many of those have stood still over that time?

Without looking, I reckon Brentford are probably killing it on that count.
Southampton?

Probably a decent shout. Although they've thrown away a lot of money on dross as well.

Boufal, Gabbiadini, Hoedt, Djenepo, Carillo, Lemina and Elyounoussi is the thick end of £120m, and they've not got much back from that - either in fees or performances.

and they've absorbed that by selling their best players almost every summer. I doubt anyone on here wants us to replicate that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2022, 03:31:41 PM
It's not necessarily about making a trading profit, just about getting a little bit of value back.  We don't seem to have been very good at that for a good few years.

but 'value' is about more than just money. JUst from your list I'd say Hourihane and El Ghazi in particular played a big enough part in us turning things around and getting promoted that any value we needed from them was delivered on the pitch ages ago.
I agree.  And as I said in my post I wasn't saying they were all bad buys.

Look, to coin an oft used phrase this isn't a hill I'm going to die on.  It's not even my hill.  I just said I thought Fred had made a reasonable point and I think the facts bare that out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 27, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
Anyone getting the feeling (hoping more like) that this silence is a pre cursor to a big purchase coming in?

I bloody hope so as i am sick of trawling every news outlet looking for rumours - just cannot wait for the season to start
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 03:40:50 PM
Did not realise Southampton had bought so much dross, no wonder they have stood still but I always thought they were happy being a mid table make up the numbers sort of club.
Its not like they have a great history of achievement,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 03:42:49 PM
I bloody hope so as i am sick of trawling every news outlet looking for rumours - just cannot wait for the season to start

You know that's not something that you have to do, right?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2022, 03:45:46 PM
It's not necessarily about making a trading profit, just about getting a little bit of value back.  We don't seem to have been very good at that for a good few years.

but 'value' is about more than just money. JUst from your list I'd say Hourihane and El Ghazi in particular played a big enough part in us turning things around and getting promoted that any value we needed from them was delivered on the pitch ages ago.
I agree.  And as I said in my post I wasn't saying they were all bad buys.

Look, to coin an oft used phrase this isn't a hill I'm going to die on.  It's not even my hill.  I just said I thought Fred had made a reasonable point and I think the facts bare that out.

but it's only a reasonable point if you ignore us making £100m profit on a single player, which was my problem with his post all along. The alternative to selling him is that we'd probably have had to sell 3-4 players to bring in the players we have and take the hit to our squad depth that comes as a result. The money we made means we can focus on trimming away the players we don't see any use in keeping instead of having to decide who we're willing to lose. It might be a 1-off fluke that we can't rely on again but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and didn't have a huge impact on our transfer plans in the last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 03:46:16 PM
The only clubs who have been in the Premier League at any point in the last seven years and have made a profit in said period are Swansea, Hull, Brentford and Norwich.

Forest and Southampton have the next best record after Brentford among current Premier League teams, with losses of £51 million and £67 million respectively.

Villa eight highest nett spenders (£289 million). Man U first (£709m), Man City second (£588m), Arsenal third (£272m).

(You may have to sort/filter the link below):

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/premier-league/einnahmenausgaben/wettbewerb/GB1/plus/0?ids=a&sa=&saison_id=2015&saison_id_bis=2022&nat=&pos=&altersklasse=&w_s=&leihe=&intern=0


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 27, 2022, 04:17:07 PM
We might have brought £100m in but we very quickly spent £30m on Bailey and again on Ings having already paid out £30m+ on Buendia.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2022, 04:39:47 PM
You can really only judge the club and our current owners on their performance since they bought us, and for the large part the transfers have been more than okay.  We haven't been in the league long enough for us to have sold many players that were bought since we came up - as the players sold have mostly been players from our Championship days, with a few exceptions.

You can't expect the owners to suddenly start making money from the sales of players they inherited.  In the same way that they were lucky to inherit a Grealish.

The real test will come when we start moving on players who we bought after promotion.  Targett we got our money back (but was net positive for FFP), Trez we've lost a little money on.  Engels we lost a little money one. Samatta we lost a little money on.  But these are all players bought for under £10m, and we probably lost £10-£15m in total on all three, and a lot less in FFP terms.  Another way to look at it, particularly for those last three players were bought as "gambles", is that they contributed in differing amounts, and were then moved on - for actual cash money - when they were deemed not good enough for us.  Not frees.  Not kept around on a wage to the end of their contracts.  Sold. For money.

Now, the real question is how many of our signings are worth more than we paid for them if we WANTED to sell them.  And I'd say the answer is most of them. There are a few we'd struggle to get our money back on, Ings being the prime example, but for every Ings there is a big Emi worth probably four times what we paid.

Either way, the time to really judge our club's ability to make money from players sales is when we've sold players bought since our promotion, and more than just a few squad players in that group.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on July 27, 2022, 04:43:33 PM
I'll be honest ... I don't care how disastrous it is to someone else's bank account.  I genuinely couldn't give a monkeys if we make a profit or loss on players, assuming that it doesn't stop us from spending even more money to push us up the table.  And from what I understand of the whole FFP thing, because the fee gets amortised over the length of the contract we've made an FFP profit on both Targett and Trez, who are the outgoings this season, and of course Greasy last season.

I do think it's unfair to include players from the Dr Shitshoes era, though, whether they've been good signings (Hot lips, SJM, ...) or bad (Fat Ross, Hogan, ..).  They didn't have anything to do with signing them, or making sure that we could make any kind of profit on them after.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mike on July 27, 2022, 04:54:49 PM
I'm another that broadly agrees we have for many years paid too much and sold too cheap - sadly, Fred's virulent pessimism grates with everyone including me so his reasonable points get lost. However, that list of transfers includes a few players who were sold for little or nothing because they were a bit past it so no one was going to pay much for them. We probably 'lost' money on the likes of McGrath and Merse. Even Ian Taylor went for nowt. But, yes, there are some unforgivable purchases but no-one pissed money up the wall on average players like O'Neil.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 05:02:25 PM
Part of the reason (nearly) everyone loses money is that everyone knows Premier League clubs are minted. That's what attracts a lot of players and any decent agent will be taking advantage.

But the same advantage in paying wages turns into a disadvantage when you are trying to shift them on, so you have to take a dent in the fee to make up for it, or accept that they will just stay until their contract runs out then leave for nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 27, 2022, 05:19:54 PM
Part of the reason (nearly) everyone loses money is that everyone knows Premier League clubs are minted. That's what attracts a lot of players and any decent agent will be taking advantage.

But the same advantage in paying wages turns into a disadvantage when you are trying to shift them on, so you have to take a dent in the fee to make up for it, or accept that they will just stay until their contract runs out then leave for nothing.
... which is why we're struggling now to offload the non premier-league standard players; the  Championship and other comparative leagues are unable to pay the wages these ones are on .
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 27, 2022, 06:27:26 PM
McNeil to Everton for £20m strikes me as a good deal.  Not that we wanted or needed him as I don’t think he would fit our system
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 27, 2022, 06:30:45 PM
Aston Villa can confirm that Head Coach Steven Gerrard has named John McGinn as Captain.

https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2022/july/27/mcginn-named-aston-villa-captain/

So he starts each week and I am happy with this.

Mings will have to improve or he is gone (sure he will improve)

But what type of new midfielder are we looking at as Mcginn is a box-to-box so is it another number 6?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 27, 2022, 06:34:50 PM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on July 27, 2022, 06:58:57 PM
McNeil to Everton for £20m strikes me as a good deal.  Not that we wanted or needed him as I don’t think he would fit our system

I really don't see it at all with McNeil, not quick and has no end product. No goals and one assist in 38 appearances last season. If he wasn't English nobody would even notice him.

Emmanuel Dennis is being quoted as the same price which is madness to me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 07:19:03 PM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL

It's Bellingham, just to save people from clicking on the shit click -bait site.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2022, 07:26:45 PM
Shame. He's lovely on the pitch and in interviews. Fuck his dark heart.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on July 27, 2022, 07:43:49 PM
Joker. Still playing the lamented hero card.
They'll probably retire the club in honour.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 08:02:09 PM
"Bellingham City" sort of works. Retiring the shirt isn't enough. He 'ates Da Vile, proper legend. Get the club renamed.

Again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 27, 2022, 08:36:13 PM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL

Note the past tense usage. When we sign him he'll say he bleeds claret and blue, in a sort of Reverse Craig Gardner.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2022, 08:36:54 PM
Bellendingham City sounds better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on July 27, 2022, 08:37:57 PM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL

Ok, Guys I only posted this because it was funny....A blues fan does not like the villa is not news. Just surprised that his media person did not say you can't say that. In a world where footballers don't say anything, it's funny that a blue nose speaks his mind.
Blues fans should hate us because we are the mighty Aston Villa and they play at the Trillion Trophy Stadium.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 27, 2022, 08:40:08 PM
Trillion? Is that their debt level?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 27, 2022, 08:47:54 PM
Bellingham is a a really good player. Fair play to him sticking with his club rivalry too. His loss though, we are the best team he will never play for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on July 27, 2022, 09:11:01 PM
McNeil to Everton for £20m strikes me as a good deal.  Not that we wanted or needed him as I don’t think he would fit our system

I really don't see it at all with McNeil, not quick and has no end product. No goals and one assist in 38 appearances last season. If he wasn't English nobody would even notice him.

Same, he's more 1 footed than Traore.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on July 27, 2022, 09:19:59 PM
Trillion? Is that their debt level?

That's how many of their fans went to Bruges or summat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on July 27, 2022, 09:55:00 PM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 27, 2022, 09:58:46 PM
What happened to the rules whereby La Liga has started spreading the income more evenly? Barcelona are playing against teams, surely there opponents are entitled to some of the £500 million they've negotiated for themselves?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2022, 10:03:23 PM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Bordeaux have been relegated to the third tier of French football for not paying their debts.

Meanwhile, Barcelona still owe them nearly €10m for the transfer of Malcom back in 2018.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 27, 2022, 10:08:06 PM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Bordeaux have been relegated to the third tier of French football for not paying their debts.

Meanwhile, Barcelona still own them nearly €10m for the transfer of Malcom back in 2018.

Tangent
Anyone go To Bordeaux a million years ago when we were in UEFA cup
Jean-Pierre Pepin played for them and Lady Di had just been killed in Paris
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 27, 2022, 10:14:38 PM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Bordeaux have been relegated to the third tier of French football for not paying their debts.

Meanwhile, Barcelona still own them nearly €10m for the transfer of Malcom back in 2018.
Shocking.
You would think that clubs would just refuse to do business with them as UEFA are obviously not dealing with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2022, 01:18:51 AM
Bellingham is a a really good player. Fair play to him sticking with his club rivalry too. His loss though, we are the best team he will never play for.
Nothing wrong with what he said. I do feel insulted that he doesn’t hate us more than Schalke.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 28, 2022, 08:40:34 AM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Bordeaux have been relegated to the third tier of French football for not paying their debts.

Meanwhile, Barcelona still own them nearly €10m for the transfer of Malcom back in 2018.

Tangent
Anyone go To Bordeaux a million years ago when we were in UEFA cup
Jean-Pierre Pepin played for them and Lady Di had just been killed in Paris

Yes, I was there. Good day followed by a goalless bore, if I recall.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2022, 09:03:53 AM
Joker. Still playing the lamented hero card.
They'll probably retire the club in honour.
He did save them from oblivion, sadly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2022, 09:43:43 AM
Bellingham is a a really good player. Fair play to him sticking with his club rivalry too. His loss though, we are the best team he will never play for.

Nothing wrong with what he said. I do feel insulted that he doesn’t hate us more than Schalke.

I was disappointed by that as well but it was for a BVB podcast.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on July 28, 2022, 10:45:34 AM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL
when will these Muppets realize we really don't care about them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: clash city rocker on July 28, 2022, 10:50:21 AM
'I've hated them': £100m player admits he absolutely despises Aston Villa

https://tbrfootball.com/ive-hated-them-100m-player-admits-he-absolutely-despises-aston-villa/

One to cross off the list....didn't want him anyway ....LOL
when will these Muppets realize we really don't care about them

What makes me laugh most is they think they have some sort of significance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 28, 2022, 11:06:17 AM
In fairness he was asked a question in an interview.  We care enough to have dug it up and commented about it on a message board.  I've no doubt the Twiterarti will be going to town about it too, even though they don't care and Bloose are obsessed. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mamuu on July 28, 2022, 11:28:18 AM
Barcelona with another large sum transfer - boggles the mind.

Bordeaux have been relegated to the third tier of French football for not paying their debts.

Meanwhile, Barcelona still own them nearly €10m for the transfer of Malcom back in 2018.

Tangent
Anyone go To Bordeaux a million years ago when we were in UEFA cup
Jean-Pierre Pepin played for them and Lady Di had just been killed in Paris

Yes, I was there. Good day followed by a goalless bore, if I recall.

me too. couple of good trips that year i think. And Bucharest, which was interesting on a number of fronts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2022, 11:35:29 AM
In fairness he was asked a question in an interview.  We care enough to have dug it up and commented about it on a message board.  I've no doubt the Twiterarti will be going to town about it too, even though they don't care and Bloose are obsessed. 

Exactly. We spend far too much time thinking about them. They're a source of comedy material and that's it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: WassallVillain on July 28, 2022, 01:09:15 PM
Joker. Still playing the lamented hero card.
They'll probably retire the club in honour.
He did save them from oblivion, sadly.
Merely delayed it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 28, 2022, 01:42:22 PM
16 year old midfielder Ewan Simpson joining from Hearts. https://twitter.com/JamTarts/status/1552572165840687104
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 28, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
Joker. Still playing the lamented hero card.
They'll probably retire the club in honour.
He did save them from oblivion, sadly.
Merely delayed it.
Thats the spirit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on July 28, 2022, 06:04:39 PM
Somebody spreading shit rumours of Timo Werner loan.  Won’t bother referencing sources but would he be a good match?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2022, 06:07:37 PM
Another fucker who can't hit a barn door half the time. No thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on July 28, 2022, 06:16:39 PM
Another fucker who can't hit a barn door half the time. No thanks.


He had a good record in Germany , looked shit off a shovel , now looks abit errr
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 28, 2022, 06:37:53 PM
Another fucker who can't hit a barn door half the time. No thanks.


He had a good record in Germany , looked shit off a shovel , now looks abit errr

He’s the same player just minus the shovel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2022, 06:39:20 PM
Somebody spreading shit rumours of Timo Werner loan.  Won’t bother referencing sources but would he be a good match?

Not true
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 28, 2022, 06:40:35 PM
Vin, is Ashley Preece right that Sanson may have a future but Traore and Guilbert are not in our plans?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2022, 08:32:11 PM
Guilbert has been training with the kids so must be on way out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 28, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Vin, is Ashley Preece right that Sanson may have a future but Traore and Guilbert are not in our plans?
anyone know what's going on with El Ghazi?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on July 28, 2022, 09:01:41 PM
Guilbert has been training with the kids so must be on way out.

After the decent year he had last year, don't you think it would be more beneficial to keep him with the first team to increase/maintain his value?

Platooning him off to play with the kids won't exactly increase our leverage if or when a buyer comes in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2022, 09:50:08 PM
Guilbert has been training with the kids so must be on way out.

After the decent year he had last year, don't you think it would be more beneficial to keep him with the first team to increase/maintain his value?

Platooning him off to play with the kids won't exactly increase our leverage if or when a buyer comes in.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2022, 10:02:28 PM
Seems a strnge one. Unless he really is a complete arse, why ostracise him like that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 28, 2022, 10:03:15 PM
Probably happy to let him go for free if somebody takes over his contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on July 28, 2022, 10:26:14 PM
Guilbert was bought when we were in the Championship, at a time when promotion looked remote. He's not good enough for where we are or where we want to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on July 28, 2022, 10:27:18 PM
I wonder what happens? Every summer he seems to get this sort of treatment. I wonder if he’s shit in training and doesn’t put a shift in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on July 28, 2022, 11:01:32 PM
Birmingham Live with your gods honest truth transfer speculation and odds of signing:

Memphis Depay - 10/1

Alvaro Morata - 14/1

Neymar - 66/1
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 28, 2022, 11:09:08 PM
In fairness, Neymar would be an exciting signing ....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 28, 2022, 11:21:33 PM
Vin, is Ashley Preece right that Sanson may have a future but Traore and Guilbert are not in our plans?
anyone know what's going on with El Ghazi?

Been a distinct lack of interest in AEG. Imagine a late loan move happens

Guilbert will leave. Traore / Interest from turkey at the minute.

Sanson, can see him staying. He’s impressed this summer

Re In’s. Domino effect will happen at some stage. Our targets are wanted by other clubs also so until one commits it won’t start off the chain reaction
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 28, 2022, 11:54:59 PM
I wonder what happens? Every summer he seems to get this sort of treatment. I wonder if he’s shit in training and doesn’t put a shift in?
Every year he gets back from loan - drives back into training and parks strait in the gaffers parking space
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2022, 10:34:43 AM
Vin, is Ashley Preece right that Sanson may have a future but Traore and Guilbert are not in our plans?
anyone know what's going on with El Ghazi?

Been a distinct lack of interest in AEG. Imagine a late loan move happens


This surprises me. For all he's a bit limited for teams aiming mid table or higher he's still proven that he can do a job in the PL and his attitude came across as first rate in 20-21. A real example of a player making the most of what he has, and you'd think a few clubs would want some of that. Excellent penalty taker too.

Anyone exciting on the in's or do you not have specifics / don't want to say too much?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on July 29, 2022, 10:39:07 AM
We've got a squad of 36 so maybe they've got Guilbert training with the U23's just because there's too many to do what they want in first team training?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on July 29, 2022, 11:34:02 AM
We will soon have more footballers than the film Ben Hur had extra's appearing in it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2022, 01:18:08 PM
Vin, is Ashley Preece right that Sanson may have a future but Traore and Guilbert are not in our plans?
anyone know what's going on with El Ghazi?

Been a distinct lack of interest in AEG. Imagine a late loan move happens


This surprises me. For all he's a bit limited for teams aiming mid table or higher he's still proven that he can do a job in the PL and his attitude came across as first rate in 20-21. A real example of a player making the most of what he has, and you'd think a few clubs would want some of that. Excellent penalty taker too.

He is indeed an excellent penalty taker and I was all for selling him last summer when his value was at its highest, we probably could have picked up £15m for him. The loan to Everton has done him and us no favours, now I can't see him staying in England. Norwich? Not even sure Dean Smith would want him, maybe on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2022, 02:16:36 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 29, 2022, 04:00:24 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that division.

It the differential in wages that is the killer and add in the fact - who the hell would want to go to Norwich
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that club.

FTFY

His PL stats are pretty much as I recall, shoots every time he gets the ball (124 shots), of which only 53 were on target (normally straight at the keeper), 15 goals of which 6 were penalties, 5 assists, all this from 73 appearances. Yeah, I'll miss his penalties. Maybe a manager can find his best position as he's no winger. Nice lad it must be said. Good luck to him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on July 29, 2022, 04:38:30 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that club.

FTFY

His PL stats are pretty much as I recall, shoots every time he gets the ball (124 shots), of which only 53 were on target (normally straight at the keeper), 15 goals of which 6 were penalties, 5 assists, all this from 73 appearances. Yeah, I'll miss his penalties. Maybe a manager can find his best position as he's no winger. Nice lad it must be said. Good luck to him.

FTFY?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 29, 2022, 04:55:43 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that division.

It the differential in wages that is the killer and add in the fact - who the hell would want to go to Norwich

I thought Norwich was supposed to be beautiful
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 06:10:13 PM
I do quite enjoy Norwich away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2022, 06:12:27 PM
When we win.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2022, 06:17:06 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that division.

who the hell would want to go to Norwich

That is a good point. I’ve been twice, once to see the Villa, ok fair enough, but once on holiday. I still scratch my head as to what I was thinking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 29, 2022, 06:34:13 PM
Amazed nobody like Forest or Bournemouth has come in for AEG, I think given a lengthy run in a team somewhere he'll do well.  The way Everton/Lampard treated him was a disgrace as he should have walked into that team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on July 29, 2022, 06:35:57 PM
That is a good point. I’ve been twice, once to see the Villa, ok fair enough, but once on holiday. I still scratch my head as to what I was thinking.

Those canal barge holidays, eh. Did you get trapped under a cow?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 29, 2022, 09:13:27 PM
:-)
It was a general Norfolk tour based at a hotel in Norwich but everywhere we seemed to go, the folk were about as welcoming as the patrons of ‘The Slaughtered Lamb’ in ‘An American Werewolf in London’.

‘Jur not from round ear are jur’ with a feintly homicidal glint in the eye, that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on July 29, 2022, 09:16:53 PM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that club.

FTFY

His PL stats are pretty much as I recall, shoots every time he gets the ball (124 shots), of which only 53 were on target (normally straight at the keeper), 15 goals of which 6 were penalties, 5 assists, all this from 73 appearances. Yeah, I'll miss his penalties. Maybe a manager can find his best position as he's no winger. Nice lad it must be said. Good luck to him.



FTFY?

Fixed That For You 👍
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 29, 2022, 11:04:42 PM
Doesn't seem to be anything that's in the hands of media... So it's either that nothing is happening or we're doing a fine job of keeping it quiet again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2022, 05:57:36 AM
English football and specifically PL clubs are finding that they have overpaid for even average footballers. Salaries and associated fees that most clubs on the continent cannot afford to pay once a player is deemed surplus. So in our case we have likely given AEG, Traore, Freddie for example, the highest wages they will ever get. Now we don’t or may not want them, very few clubs want to pay even the discounted rate. This in turn has slowed down the player turnover. While I have no doubt we can afford new players, we don’t want a situation where we cannot move those they come in eventually replace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on July 30, 2022, 06:27:32 AM
English football and specifically PL clubs are finding that they have overpaid for even average footballers. Salaries and associated fees that most clubs on the continent cannot afford to pay once a player is deemed surplus. So in our case we have likely given AEG, Traore, Freddie for example, the highest wages they will ever get. Now we don’t or may not want them, very few clubs want to pay even the discounted rate. This in turn has slowed down the player turnover. While I have no doubt we can afford new players, we don’t want a situation where we cannot move those they come in eventually replace.

This is very much the case, not helped if an agent is earning a percentage of a player’s salary because their incentive is to wait until the end of a contract where both parties will earn more. That’s why even loans out can be beneficial for the books if a large percentage of the salary is covered by the club taking on the loan. Or a loan fee. Or both.

The other side of it is where we can beat an A.Madrd to signing Kamara when we really have no right to be operating in the same market with where we currently are.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on July 30, 2022, 08:21:54 AM
Why is it that when a player isn't getting in the side at another club, there is always an aspiring club willing to buy them but at villa, we have to loan such players out or pay up their wages because we can't shift them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2022, 08:29:48 AM
English football and specifically PL clubs are finding that they have overpaid for even average footballers. Salaries and associated fees that most clubs on the continent cannot afford to pay once a player is deemed surplus. So in our case we have likely given AEG, Traore, Freddie for example, the highest wages they will ever get. Now we don’t or may not want them, very few clubs want to pay even the discounted rate. This in turn has slowed down the player turnover. While I have no doubt we can afford new players, we don’t want a situation where we cannot move those they come in eventually replace.
Bloated squads full of average expensive shit - we've got too many. So has everyone else though. Going to have to loan them out and split the wages to move them on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 30, 2022, 08:41:24 AM
Doesn't seem to be anything that's in the hands of media... So it's either that nothing is happening or we're doing a fine job of keeping it quiet again.

It’s interesting I had assumed another midfielder would be coming in but the way things have happened this week I’m not so sure. McGinn is now almost guaranteed to start, they want Doug to have a new deal, JJ is a favourite, and Bouba is clearly class. That’s without considering the back ups like Sanson and Marv. I struggle to see where a new player is going to fit - even if we sold Sanson or Marv.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2022, 09:11:00 AM
Doesn't seem to be anything that's in the hands of media... So it's either that nothing is happening or we're doing a fine job of keeping it quiet again.

It’s interesting I had assumed another midfielder would be coming in but the way things have happened this week I’m not so sure. McGinn is now almost guaranteed to start, they want Doug to have a new deal, JJ is a favourite, and Bouba is clearly class. That’s without considering the back ups like Sanson and Marv. I struggle to see where a new player is going to fit - even if we sold Sanson or Marv.

Looks that way, Paul, but as someone once said managers always want one more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2022, 09:26:54 AM
Doesn't seem to be anything that's in the hands of media... So it's either that nothing is happening or we're doing a fine job of keeping it quiet again.

It’s interesting I had assumed another midfielder would be coming in but the way things have happened this week I’m not so sure. McGinn is now almost guaranteed to start, they want Doug to have a new deal, JJ is a favourite, and Bouba is clearly class. That’s without considering the back ups like Sanson and Marv. I struggle to see where a new player is going to fit - even if we sold Sanson or Marv.
I think we also need to consider Tim in the list of available MF.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 30, 2022, 10:13:58 AM
Doesn't seem to be anything that's in the hands of media... So it's either that nothing is happening or we're doing a fine job of keeping it quiet again.

It’s interesting I had assumed another midfielder would be coming in but the way things have happened this week I’m not so sure. McGinn is now almost guaranteed to start, they want Doug to have a new deal, JJ is a favourite, and Bouba is clearly class. That’s without considering the back ups like Sanson and Marv. I struggle to see where a new player is going to fit - even if we sold Sanson or Marv.
I think we also need to consider Tim in the list of available MF.
Agreed - unless we have some major outgoings - I would say upfront  is the only place that we might be able to strengthen without stock piling
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on July 30, 2022, 11:06:34 AM
If he played like he did for us in 20-21 for Norwich in the championship he'd be one of the best players in that club.

FTFY

His PL stats are pretty much as I recall, shoots every time he gets the ball (124 shots), of which only 53 were on target (normally straight at the keeper), 15 goals of which 6 were penalties, 5 assists, all this from 73 appearances. Yeah, I'll miss his penalties. Maybe a manager can find his best position as he's no winger. Nice lad it must be said. Good luck to him.





FTFY?

Fixed That For You 👍

Thank you.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on July 30, 2022, 11:39:51 AM
I was pleased with the early signings but why do I feel that players are being discussed for transfers and we are never mentioned as an interested club.  I know that it could just be that wr have been so effective in keeping deals below the radar, but could it just be that we are done.  When I think we have had the third richest owners in the Prem for a few seasons and been relatively modest with player acquisition and then see Newcastle linked with names we might want it's pretty depressing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on July 30, 2022, 11:59:20 AM
Linked with Moise Kean. Asking price circa £32m apparently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2022, 12:04:27 PM
I was pleased with the early signings but why do I feel that players are being discussed for transfers and we are never mentioned as an interested club.  I know that it could just be that wr have been so effective in keeping deals below the radar, but could it just be that we are done.  When I think we have had the third richest owners in the Prem for a few seasons and been relatively modest with player acquisition and then see Newcastle linked with names we might want it's pretty depressing

Chin up, there’s still a month before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 30, 2022, 12:04:37 PM
I wouldn’t read too much into the media reporting. Personally I would have thought there’s a bit more on the back burner, I certainly hope so anyway because I think it is fair to say that after an excellent start to the window, if we don’t get anyone else in I’d say going into the season ‘we should be a bit better’ but this doesn’t quite stack up with the supposed ambition of the owners. I guess that’s the trouble with transfer windows. If you don’t get it done by a certain time it leaves you open to missing pieces for the season, unless you’re lucky enough to fill gaps in January but that is hit and miss. Back in the day we could have just gone a long for a couple of months seeing how the new signings do and the youngsters coming through and addressing in October time if we still look short. There is still plenty of time in the window though so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on July 30, 2022, 12:08:03 PM
To be honest it's good to know at least I'm not alone with my concerns.  I guess with Gerrard making so much of having a proper pre season the pla  surely was to have the starting 11 for the season with playing experience together for the first game which if we are done is a concern and even if we aren't means we are going to be bedding players down in September
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on July 30, 2022, 12:17:57 PM
Linked with Moise Kean. Asking price circa £32m apparently.
God, no!
5 in 32 for Juve; 2 in 32 for Bluescouse.
Hardly an upgrade
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on July 30, 2022, 01:03:29 PM
I was pleased with the early signings but why do I feel that players are being discussed for transfers and we are never mentioned as an interested club.  I know that it could just be that wr have been so effective in keeping deals below the radar, but could it just be that we are done.  When I think we have had the third richest owners in the Prem for a few seasons and been relatively modest with player acquisition and then see Newcastle linked with names we might want it's pretty depressing
Yeah this is broadly where I am - must be an Essex thing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 30, 2022, 01:28:40 PM
When I think we have had the third richest owners in the Prem for a few seasons and been relatively modest with player acquisition and then see Newcastle linked with names we might want it's pretty depressing
I can't get my head around this view at all, since we were promoted only Man City, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal have spent more than us.

Newcastle have signed Guimares who looks good and Botman who might be good (after missing out on Diego Carlos) but other than that who are you dissapointed that we missed out on? Burn? Targett? Wood? Pope? Willock?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 30, 2022, 01:31:18 PM
Linked with Moise Kean. Asking price circa £32m apparently.
God, no!
5 in 32 for Juve; 2 in 32 for Bluescouse.
Hardly an upgrade

Why did you miss out 13 in 26 for PSG? He’s 22 years old. When he joined Everton it was considered a bit of a coup. He’s going to be an international for Italy for a lot of years if is able to make full use of his talents
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2022, 01:33:52 PM
I'd rather stick with Keinan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2022, 01:36:15 PM
Why is it that when a player isn't getting in the side at another club, there is always an aspiring club willing to buy them but at villa, we have to loan such players out or pay up their wages because we can't shift them

Not sure that is true. Just read on Twitter that John Percy is reporting of a £40m bid by Newcastle for James Maddison. Leicester fans saying that the club are fending-off interest in the players they want to keep (Maddison and Tielemans) but can't shift a lot of squad players that they would like to offload instead.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 01:39:58 PM
Newcastle getting Maddison would be very bad news, he's excellent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on July 30, 2022, 01:50:45 PM
Newcastle getting Maddison would be very bad news, he's excellent.
I'm a massive fan of Maddison and would love for us to have signed him, but he's not the player we need right now I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 30, 2022, 02:07:22 PM
Be a great signing for anyone at £40m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
Newcastle getting Maddison would be very bad news, he's excellent.

I'm a massive fan of Maddison and would love for us to have signed him, but he's not the player we need right now I guess.

I'm not sure, I get Grealish-like 'enjoys a good time too much' vibes off him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2022, 02:31:53 PM

I'm not sure, I get Grealish-like 'enjoys a good time too much' vibes off him.

True, but he still finds it in himself to average 8 goals a season in the league though. He got 12 last year in a largely disappointing season for Leicester.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on July 30, 2022, 02:41:18 PM
He’s a good player and yes £40m is cheap for him these days if true. As for us signing him, I suppose it depends how much you rate Ramsey as Maddison would replace him in the team I’d say.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on July 30, 2022, 02:50:33 PM
Leicester have already rejected £40m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 30, 2022, 03:27:55 PM
I think Tileman’s and Ndidi contracts expire next summer so one of them could be available if Leicester need to sell. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on July 30, 2022, 04:03:51 PM
I doubt Lesta would entertain less than £60m/70m for "Madders".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on July 30, 2022, 05:40:03 PM
Getting a quality striker in is so much more of a priority than another midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 30, 2022, 06:02:50 PM
Newcastle supposedly also interested in Harvey Barnes
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 30, 2022, 06:05:02 PM
Newcastle supposedly also interested in Harvey Barnes

By the sound of it they’re linked with anyone that can vaguely pass as a competent professional footballer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 30, 2022, 08:02:13 PM
Newcastle supposedly also interested in Harvey Barnes

By the sound of it they’re linked with anyone that can vaguely pass as a competent professional footballer.
damn, that rules out El Ghazi and Traore then :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2022, 09:09:20 PM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 30, 2022, 09:11:08 PM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.

Saw that earlier. It's a fake account, @Talkspert or something similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 30, 2022, 09:23:48 PM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.

Saw that earlier. It's a fake account, @Talkspert or something similar.
Thank f%/k for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 30, 2022, 09:49:47 PM
Newcastle getting Maddison would be very bad news, he's excellent.

I'm a massive fan of Maddison and would love for us to have signed him, but he's not the player we need right now I guess.

I'm not sure, I get Grealish-like 'enjoys a good time too much' vibes off him.

I also think he’s probably peaked, i do ‘t think he’s going to get any better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on July 30, 2022, 10:19:06 PM
I think Tileman’s and Ndidi contracts expire next summer so one of them could be available if Leicester need to sell. 


I wonder if this is what VinnieChase was alluding too.  Maddison perhaps starts the domino effect for other clubs to get their players.  Ndidi and Tielemans perhaps part of a merry go round.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on July 30, 2022, 10:46:11 PM
Don't see Maddision and Tielemans leaving in the same summer unless Leicester have totally given up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 30, 2022, 11:19:31 PM
Tielemans is out of contract next summer so I’m sure they’d be more inclined to accept an offer on him rather than losing him for nothing if he doesn’t sign an extension.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 31, 2022, 12:12:28 AM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.

Saw that earlier. It's a fake account, @Talkspert or something similar.
Thank f%/k for that.

Yeah, fuck that! A higher calibre, strong, game changing player who assists and scores regularly? Who the fuck would want that! Too much flair and skill for you huh?

Let me guess, we should have been in for the magnificent Dwight McNeil?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 31, 2022, 01:41:44 AM
Newcastle supposedly also interested in Harvey Barnes

By the sound of it they’re linked with anyone that can vaguely pass as a competent professional footballer.
damn, that rules out El Ghazi and Traore then :(
and Watkins
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on July 31, 2022, 02:07:00 AM
Watching our last 2 friendlies, a striker is the most pressing need now. Watkins is not instinctive enough, too slow to react and doesn't provide a focal point. Ings was blowing out of his arse after 15 minutes in the second half, he looks a very very old 30, and Archer for me needs another loan. If we want to get to 6-8 we need a reliable 15-20 goal striker that's going to put chances away and bring others into the game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 31, 2022, 04:03:07 AM
Arsenal signing Jesus may be the big difference in their CL aims. Talk about making an incredible impression.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2022, 07:47:27 AM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.

Saw that earlier. It's a fake account, @Talkspert or something similar.
Thank f%/k for that.

Yeah, fuck that! A higher calibre, strong, game changing player who assists and scores regularly? Who the fuck would want that! Too much flair and skill for you huh?

Let me guess, we should have been in for the magnificent Dwight McNeil?
Dwight McNeill has found his level with a second relegation in two seasons coming up.

Have never rated Depay. He's moody, selfish, and none of the attributes you ascribe him ring true for me. Don't know if you watch much Spanish football but he was genuinely woeful on occasions last season to the extent that a half fit Martin Braithwaite looked better and no i don't want him either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2022, 08:34:44 AM
My wife's just shown me a Talksport headline claiming we've just agreed a deal for Memphis Depay from Barcelona.

Saw that earlier. It's a fake account, @Talkspert or something similar.
Thank f%/k for that.

Yeah, fuck that! A higher calibre, strong, game changing player who assists and scores regularly? Who the fuck would want that! Too much flair and skill for you huh?

Let me guess, we should have been in for the magnificent Dwight McNeil?
Dwight McNeill has found his level with a second relegation in two seasons coming up.

Have never rated Depay. He's moody, selfish, and none of the attributes you ascribe him ring true for me. Don't know if you watch much Spanish football but he was genuinely woeful on occasions last season to the extent that a half fit Martin Braithwaite looked better and no i don't want him either.

One important thing to remember is that Barca are a basket case! They are a total shambles and that affects the players.depay was out of this world at PSV, not given a chance at United, unreal at lyon struggling at barca. I would argue the Spanish league is weaker than the French at this time so some exterior factor must be affecting him. Is he one of the players who hasn't been paid for 9 months? I'm sure that would do it.

Vinnie have you heard we have 2 big bids on the table and have for a while? Clubs are trying to find replacements?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on July 31, 2022, 08:51:55 AM
Barca being a basket case doesn't excuse Braithwaite looking better.  The Dutch league has seen numerous players rip it up only to look shit in better leagues or in reverse in the case of Haller.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on July 31, 2022, 10:14:04 AM
There is no real link to him so no need to get your knickers in a twist. As for Braithwaite looking better Depay has 12 in 28 for barca. Braithwaite has 5 in 44.

Yeah lightyears better
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on July 31, 2022, 01:36:56 PM
I’d take the Depay
 because we have a long list of successes when it comes to taking other teams rejects and turning them into gems 😄

Seriously though I would take him, although I’m making a pointless point because it’s not gonna happen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2022, 09:37:26 AM
One or two suggestions in the grubbier section of the media about Grealish having to 'up his game or he'll end up back at the Villa'. Cheeky bastards.

Anyway, hypothetically would you have him back and if so at what sort of price? I think personally i'd sooner we didn't bother at all but i suppose at around £40m or less it might be a thought. And in terms of the likelihood, i do doubt that he'll be there for the 6 years of his contract as he hasn't exactly scaled the heights so far, you'd think we might be one possible destination when it does happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 01, 2022, 09:39:00 AM
One or two suggestions in the grubbier section of the media about Grealish having to 'up his game or he'll end up back at the Villa'. Cheeky bastards.

Anyway, hypothetically would you have him back and if so at what sort of price? I think personally i'd sooner we didn't bother at all but i suppose at around £40m or less it might be a thought. And in terms of the likelihood, i do doubt that he'll be there for the 6 years of his contract as he hasn't exactly scaled the heights so far, you'd think we might be one possible destination when it does happen.
No, because he is a c***.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 01, 2022, 09:39:51 AM
There is that !
:-)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 01, 2022, 09:40:54 AM
I think he'll be brilliant this year, unfortunately. He's seen off T-Rex arms who wouldn't pass to him anyway, he'll get more time and his talent will prevail. And everyone will be like "Isn't it amazing how much he's grown as a player under Pep?", the wankers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 01, 2022, 09:58:14 AM
One or two suggestions in the grubbier section of the media about Grealish having to 'up his game or he'll end up back at the Villa'. Cheeky bastards.

Anyway, hypothetically would you have him back and if so at what sort of price? I think personally i'd sooner we didn't bother at all but i suppose at around £40m or less it might be a thought. And in terms of the likelihood, i do doubt that he'll be there for the 6 years of his contract as he hasn't exactly scaled the heights so far, you'd think we might be one possible destination when it does happen.
No, because he is a c***.

Correct.

I also, sadly, think he will be much better this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 01, 2022, 10:07:34 AM
I'm wrong about everything but I think he'll struggle no matter what in that weird Rube Goldberg machine that is the manchester city team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 01, 2022, 11:52:59 AM
I think it's a mismatch of styles. His game is all about direct running while Pep's all about tiki-taka football. Then there's his partying. I don't see him suddenly becoming a game changer for them. More of the same imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 01, 2022, 12:00:26 PM
Can see him and Haaland clicking, unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 01, 2022, 12:08:24 PM
Can see him and Haaland clicking, unfortunately.
Yeah I think they will
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 01, 2022, 12:09:50 PM
I think Mahrez/Foden/de Bruyne will click with Haaland a lot more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 01, 2022, 12:20:16 PM
Mangala was highly rated at Stuttgart and has broken into the full Belgium squad this year.

Wouldn't have been against Villa going for him.

Good move for Forest, that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 01, 2022, 12:21:33 PM
Watching Charidy Shield game, I noticed Haaland kept making runs off the defenders but Citeh kept playing the Tippy Tappy stuff.
it will be interesting to see if they expect Haaland to adapt or if they are going to be more direct and try and feed him.
Not sure if this helps or hinders Greasy game.
I hope they both fail miserably of course.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 01, 2022, 01:33:15 PM
Haaland has come from a team that plays a quick breaking style with long balls over the defence and doesn’t seem to have much of a passing game to speak of. The oil bandits play themselves to the byline and pass back to get tap ins etc. That isn’t Haaland’s game and I reckon he knows it as he’s only signed up for a couple of seasons before he goes to Real Madrid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 01, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
Haaland has come from a team that plays a quick breaking style with long balls over the defence and doesn’t seem to have much of a passing game to speak of. The oil bandits play themselves to the byline and pass back to get tap ins etc. That isn’t Haaland’s game and I reckon he knows it as he’s only signed up for a couple of seasons before he goes to Real Madrid.

..or until Pep leaves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 01, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
I think he'll be brilliant this year, unfortunately. He's seen off T-Rex arms who wouldn't pass to him anyway, he'll get more time and his talent will prevail. And everyone will be like "Isn't it amazing how much he's grown as a player under Pep?", the wankers.

T. rex arms? Dunno why, but this tickled me. I can actually see it 🤪😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 01, 2022, 07:25:44 PM
Damsgaard for £15m is a decent bit of business.  Ok a risk because he’s been injured but he was quality at the World Cup
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 02, 2022, 12:52:16 AM
Idrissa “Definitely Not Gay” Gueye back to Everton. I thought he’d come back to England, glad it wasn’t with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2022, 01:19:32 AM
Watching our last 2 friendlies, a striker is the most pressing need now. Watkins is not instinctive enough, too slow to react and doesn't provide a focal point. Ings was blowing out of his arse after 15 minutes in the second half, he looks a very very old 30, and Archer for me needs another loan. If we want to get to 6-8 we need a reliable 15-20 goal striker that's going to put chances away and bring others into the game.

I thought it became increasingly obvious as last season went on that we needed a better quality striker.  Problem is every club wants a quality striker and there seems to a bit of dearth of them in the game at the moment. 

Still wouldn't be adverse to trying to cash in on Ings to make room for a new striker and have Watkins and Archer as back up options. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 02, 2022, 09:17:31 AM
Idrissa “Definitely Not Gay” Gueye back to Everton. I thought he’d come back to England, glad it wasn’t with us.

I’d imagine any of the diversity organisations affiliated with Everton will be having some conversations with the club. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 02, 2022, 09:57:01 AM
Idrissa “Definitely Not Gay” Gueye back to Everton. I thought he’d come back to England, glad it wasn’t with us.

I’d imagine any of the diversity organisations affiliated with Everton will be having some conversations with the club.
They all ready have a xxxxe on the books allegedly so a homophobe shouldn’t be a problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 02, 2022, 11:50:13 AM
Think that player has now been released.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 02, 2022, 02:10:49 PM
Damsgaard for £15m is a decent bit of business.  Ok a risk because he’s been injured but he was quality at the World Cup

Surprised noone has gone for the Czech striker Schick.  Looked good at the Euros and has a good scoring record throughout his career really. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 02, 2022, 05:16:22 PM
We don’t have any cover for Kamara. He won’t play every minute of every game and should he be missing for more than a few then we are back to square 1. I’d rather us focus on that than spend whatever we have in a forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2022, 05:19:26 PM
We don’t have any cover for Kamara. He won’t play every minute of every game and should he be missing for more than a few then we are back to square 1. I’d rather us focus on that than spend whatever we have in a forward.

Tim will be his cover
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 02, 2022, 05:25:23 PM
Big ask for a young lad to step up in such a pivotal role for us. Let’s hope he does because we cannot go back to what we had last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 02, 2022, 06:17:11 PM
We don’t have any cover for Kamara. He won’t play every minute of every game and should he be missing for more than a few then we are back to square 1. I’d rather us focus on that than spend whatever we have in a forward.

Tim will be his cover

More than adequately too, from what I’ve seen for us and England. Going to be our breakthrough player this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 02, 2022, 06:23:26 PM
We don’t have any cover for Kamara. He won’t play every minute of every game and should he be missing for more than a few then we are back to square 1. I’d rather us focus on that than spend whatever we have in a forward.

Tim will be his cover

More than adequately too, from what I’ve seen for us and England. Going to be our breakthrough player this season.

That’s my belief too….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 02, 2022, 06:27:14 PM
Hope so, I really do. Can’t say I’ve seen enough of him to comment but there’s nothing like seeing one of the young lads make it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 02, 2022, 06:30:49 PM
More than adequately too, from what I’ve seen for us and England. Going to be our breakthrough player this season.

That’s my belief too….

Mine three, been hugely impressed with what I've seen from him thus far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 02, 2022, 06:34:52 PM
More than adequately too, from what I’ve seen for us and England. Going to be our breakthrough player this season.

That’s my belief too….

Mine three, been hugely impressed with what I've seen from him thus far.

Calm, athletic, positionally sound, great first touch and well judged passing. Doesn’t seem fazed making the step up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 02, 2022, 06:36:41 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 02, 2022, 06:43:45 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 02, 2022, 06:48:54 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

£20m is incredible business at this stage of the player's development. Just for extra context, that's £4m more than Brentford have agreed to sign Mikkel Damsgaard - one of the starts of last summer's Euro's who just turned 22.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 02, 2022, 06:53:26 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Wouldn’t let Nakamba go this summer, if Tim gets decent game time before Jan & we see we can rely on him would then sell Nakamba
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 02, 2022, 06:57:42 PM
Depends on whether we need to free up squad space though. Tim and Chambers at a push is probably enough in that role.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on August 02, 2022, 06:57:57 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Bye Felicia.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 02, 2022, 07:18:32 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

Lets retire his shirt....Lol
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tricky dicky on August 02, 2022, 07:22:41 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

Lets retire his shirt....Lol
Don't forget to retire his seat on the bench
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 02, 2022, 09:57:50 PM
Depends on whether we need to free up squad space though. Tim and Chambers at a push is probably enough in that role.

We do still need to see the departures of AEG, Guilbert, Traore. Imagine now everything is going to be late in the window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2022, 09:59:54 PM
So our plan is to have zero/one winger on the bench, or bring Ashley Young on to play there? I'd rather have Bertie, thanks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 02, 2022, 10:05:23 PM
Looks like Keinan is training again. Now a decision has been made on Archer, do we keep him or send him out / sell him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2022, 10:12:10 PM
Unlike Archer, he uses up a squad space. I'd sell him with a sell-on clause if we could get decent money. With our Board's negotiating skills, I'm expecting £50 million plus a £5 million bonus per injury.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 02, 2022, 10:16:32 PM
Unlike Archer, he uses up a squad space. I'd sell him with a sell-on clause if we could get decent money. With our Board's negotiating skills, I'm expecting £50 million plus a £5 million bonus per injury.

Are we struggling to get down to 25 though?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 02, 2022, 10:27:10 PM
Unlike Archer, he uses up a squad space. I'd sell him with a sell-on clause if we could get decent money. With our Board's negotiating skills, I'm expecting £50 million plus a £5 million bonus per injury.

Are we struggling to get down to 25 though?

Depends who we get rid of.

We named twenty after the last transfer window.

https://www.premierleague.com/news/2470630

Since then, Trezeguet has left.

Kamara, Augustinsson, Carlos, El Ghazi, Davis, Steer, Guilbert and Jacob Ramsey have all joined, returned, or been reclassified as over-21 players.

So that's 27. You'd imagine Steer, supposedly due back around the time the World Cup starts, won't be named until January and, even then, might be more likely to be loaned again than retained.  You'd also assume two or three more will likely be transferred or loaned so we would probably be okay but wouldn't leave much room for a late acquisition or two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2022, 11:38:01 PM

Lets retire his shirt....Lol

Yep, the coveted number 33....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 02, 2022, 11:40:30 PM
You'd imagine Steer, Davis, AEG and Guilbert won't make the squad and perhaps someone else sold too. (actually more than one if Traore is one, then Nakamba /Luiz too?)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 02, 2022, 11:42:28 PM
Lets retire his shirt....Lol

Yep, the coveted number 33....

If we don't sign any other players with the initials CC we probably won't need it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on August 03, 2022, 07:24:34 AM

Lets retire his shirt....Lol

Yep, the coveted number 33....
He made that number 33 shirt his own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 03, 2022, 07:46:52 AM
Looks like Keinan is training again. Now a decision has been made on Archer, do we keep him or send him out / sell him?

Been reported that SG likes Archer and he's staying put
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 03, 2022, 07:59:34 AM
Looks like Keinan is training again. Now a decision has been made on Archer, do we keep him or send him out / sell him?

Been reported that SG likes Archer and he's staying put

Confirmed by SG yesterday
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 03, 2022, 08:30:15 AM
Depends on whether we need to free up squad space though. Tim and Chambers at a push is probably enough in that role.
Tim doesn't take a place in the 25, though, does he? Being a youf, an all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 09:32:30 AM
With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 03, 2022, 09:38:16 AM
Depends on whether we need to free up squad space though. Tim and Chambers at a push is probably enough in that role.
Tim doesn't take a place in the 25, though, does he? Being a youf, an all.

Yep, but Nakamba would, and if we have another midfielder in the pipeline, his place in the squad might be needed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 03, 2022, 12:29:52 PM
Looks like Keinan is training again. Now a decision has been made on Archer, do we keep him or send him out / sell him?

It's sell time Im afraid with Keinan. As we last season with Forest, he has the potential to be a fine player when fully fit. He has a presence and technical ability as a front man that our first choice Watkins can only dream of.  Physically dominates defenders, first touch is brilliant, excellent distribution too. Lacks that critical instinct in the penalty box though so will never be that prolific, Archer has that in comparison.

But the injuries are ever present for Davis, missing games towards the end of last season you could see he wasnt the same player in the playoff final when he got back in. Injured again during pre season. I really feel for him to be honest as he's the kind of player that needs a run of consistent games and fitness to show his best. We wont be able to offer that and should be doing the right thing by him here, not holding out for stupid money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2022, 12:53:06 PM
Is it always different types of injuries he suffers from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DBTW on August 03, 2022, 01:01:51 PM
Nine times out of ten its a hamstring.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 03, 2022, 01:58:52 PM
I do rate Keinan & really enjoyed his loan as so many of the games were on tv but he needs to play every week to maintain fitness so it would be better for him to move on….if not Forest then a top Championship team like Watford or Norwich
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2022, 02:02:16 PM
With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 03, 2022, 03:39:52 PM
Someone more in tune with the rules on here than I will know better but I think it’s the case that if we were registering the squad today we wouldn’t even be able to get all the senior players in there. We’re going to have to move a few more on before we can finalize the Neymar deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 06:12:20 PM
With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.
I don't subscribe to this.

If money isn't an issue then you don't push back your progress just because there's players we don't want on the books.  You just leave them out the squad and invite them to find loans if they can.  I undertsand it's not ideal, but if money isn't the issue then Traore's wages shouldn't stop us buying Teilemans if that's what the manager wants / needs to really challenge.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 03, 2022, 06:34:25 PM
I see your point but I think just buying without clearing the decks leads to a dysfunctional squad a la Man United.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 03, 2022, 06:37:10 PM
With the Carney money incoming (say £15m) we've now spent £17m net from last summer on.  I know wages have escalated massively, but surely we've should have the funds to go big on someone if Gerrard wants to?

Money isn’t the issue. It’s simply that we have too many players on the books. I firmly believe we will bring at least one top player in before August ends, and that a few will leave, mostly on loan. Most clubs outside of the PL can’t afford PL players even the average ones.
I don't subscribe to this.

If money isn't an issue then you don't push back your progress just because there's players we don't want on the books.  You just leave them out the squad and invite them to find loans if they can.  I undertsand it's not ideal, but if money isn't the issue then Traore's wages shouldn't stop us buying Teilemans if that's what the manager wants / needs to really challenge.

I think there is a world of difference between "money isn't an issue so if we need the money for a transfer I'm sure it will be made available" and "money isn't an issue so we should be free to spunk it away paying millions to senior players to sit in the reserves"

Just because we have rich owners, doesn't mean we are suddenly going to start running the club like a terrible business.  They didn't get rich that way, and they're not going to start behaving that way with their football club.

I'm sure we still have active targets for this window, but I doubt we'll see more arrivals without one or two leaving first.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 03, 2022, 06:38:49 PM
I see your point but I think just buying without clearing the decks leads to a dysfunctional squad a la Man United.
But they were buying without a plan.  I'm not suggesting that at all, just that if we have tragets identified who we think will make a difference, then if it's not about money we should move on at our pace, not hold things up because we can't shift a bit of deadwood.

I'm not really complaining about the business we've done and maybe we are happy, but I would hope with our net spend over the last two seasons being negligable, we could move if we want to. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 03, 2022, 07:01:56 PM
I definitely think money is available.  I suspect they’re holding a bit back because the players that would be a ‘guaranteed’ improvement - like Tielmans - are unlikely to join this season.  We should bridge the gap this year so we’ll have cash ready for two or three worldliest next summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on August 03, 2022, 07:39:18 PM
I only want to see players coming in that are a significant upgrade on those they replace.  Buying for buying sake is a short termist philosophy that has landed us in the mire before.  Raul De Tamudo, is he a massive upgrade?  Channging leagues, time to settle in and find his feet etc etc.  Unless it's a sure fire scorcher I think we're going to create ourselves headache and upset good players already in the squad.  If it means waiting until January to sign the player you really want, just wait.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
I only want to see players coming in that are a significant upgrade on those they replace.  Buying for buying sake is a short termist philosophy that has landed us in the mire before.  Raul De Tamudo, is he a massive upgrade?  Channging leagues, time to settle in and find his feet etc etc.  Unless it's a sure fire scorcher I think we're going to create ourselves headache and upset good players already in the squad.  If it means waiting until January to sign the player you really want, just wait.

I agree with you on the whole. The early start to the season is good because it gives Gerrard a few weeks to see what sort of form Watkins and Ings will be in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 03, 2022, 07:54:17 PM
I only want to see players coming in that are a significant upgrade on those they replace.  Buying for buying sake is a short termist philosophy that has landed us in the mire before.  Raul De Tamudo, is he a massive upgrade?  Channging leagues, time to settle in and find his feet etc etc.  Unless it's a sure fire scorcher I think we're going to create ourselves headache and upset good players already in the squad.  If it means waiting until January to sign the player you really want, just wait.

I assume you mean Raul de Tomas?

He has much better footwork and touch than Ollie, and can drop back to get involved in possession and build up. de Tomas is just better with the ball at his feet. He's can also take a penalty and I think he would link up well with Coutinho through the middle.

Depending on the price I wouldn't be opposed to him joining the team.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 03, 2022, 08:01:46 PM
I wonder if Conor Gallagher could come here now Chelsea have signed a new midfielder.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 03, 2022, 08:33:00 PM
hopefully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2022, 09:32:49 PM
Watkins, Ings, Archer.

Given the past history plus the inexperience of one of them, there’s not nearly enough goals there for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 03, 2022, 10:17:31 PM
Watkins, Ings, Archer.

Given the past history plus the inexperience of one of them, there’s not nearly enough goals there for me.

Leon Bailey is essentially a wide forward who plays up
front either side, right or left. Perhaps if we include his potential goal contribution as well there's more optimism.
Things are looking up further still as we introduce Buendia and
Coutinho and Ramsey to the goal scoring pie.
They'll all be eager to have a slice and let them feast!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2022, 10:41:38 PM
Watkins, Ings, Archer.

Given the past history plus the inexperience of one of them, there’s not nearly enough goals there for me.

Well the past history depends where you draw the line - if it’s last year then yes, but the year before then that’s a fair few goals. Now clearly they can’t play together, certainly not regularly, but it’s possible there’s goals in Watkins and Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hairbandinho on August 03, 2022, 11:51:36 PM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

£20m is incredible business at this stage of the player's development. Just for extra context, that's £4m more than Brentford have agreed to sign Mikkel Damsgaard - one of the starts of last summer's Euro's who just turned 22.

Damsgaard is so cheap beacause he has arthritis
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 04, 2022, 05:21:56 AM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

£20m is incredible business at this stage of the player's development. Just for extra context, that's £4m more than Brentford have agreed to sign Mikkel Damsgaard - one of the starts of last summer's Euro's who just turned 22.

Damsgaard is so cheap beacause he has arthritis

Ah. That would explain it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on August 04, 2022, 06:40:32 AM
I wonder if Conor Gallagher could come here now Chelsea have signed a new midfielder.....
Also speculated that they will sign De Jong ahead of Newton Heath
In which case Connor moves further down pecking order
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 04, 2022, 07:13:13 AM
I quite like Gallagher, but isn’t he just an over exuberant John McGinn……..on steroids?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 04, 2022, 07:14:15 AM
If we could get Vardy for a good price he would be ideal for us (it would also mean that he would not score against us!!)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2022, 07:14:52 AM
Looked past it on both occasions against us last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 04, 2022, 07:48:10 AM
I quite like Gallagher, but isn’t he just an over exuberant John McGinn……..on steroids?
He is impacting games in the way I was hoping that SJM would.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 04, 2022, 08:01:44 AM
More on Carney Chukwuemeka deal. Been told player will travel to London tonight, fee around £15m plus add ons. Chelsea will seal six year deal, valid until 2028. 🚨🔵 #CFC

Medical scheduled on Wednesday for Carney who’ll be unveiled as new signing later this week.

Big surprise.


https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano

Good money (with add-on) we need to get 5 more out the door

I would be happy with

Bertrand Traoré £7 - £9m
Marvelous Nakamba £2.5 -£3m
Keinan Davis £6m with add-on
Anwar El Ghazi £1.5
Frédéric Guilbert £500k

The Key issue is getting people out now not waiting to get higher transfer fees for them.

Then we can look to bring in two at the end of the window

Update
Carney Chukwuemeka: Chelsea agree deal to sign Aston Villa midfielder for £20m

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62398766

£20m is incredible business at this stage of the player's development. Just for extra context, that's £4m more than Brentford have agreed to sign Mikkel Damsgaard - one of the starts of last summer's Euro's who just turned 22.

Damsgaard is so cheap beacause he has arthritis

Ah. That would explain it.


Didn’t God have Arthritis?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2022, 08:24:49 AM
I quite like Gallagher, but isn’t he just an over exuberant John McGinn……..on steroids?

Not really. He's much younger, a better passer, and scored 8 goals last season where McGinn has 9 in 3 seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2022, 08:43:49 AM
Gallagher and Sangaire in, Chucky and Sanson out would be a great end to the window for me. Our midfield has been our weakness for too long, get that sorted our attacking players should improve their output. If they don't, next summer all in on a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2022, 08:45:30 AM
Gallagher and Sangaire in, Chucky and Sanson out would be a great end to the window for me. Our midfield has been our weakness for too long, get that sorted our attacking players should improve their output. If they don't, next summer all in on a striker.

I think we'd be better keeping Sanson and selling Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2022, 08:52:04 AM
Maybe. I'm very shrug on either. I think Luiz has more potential and is more versatile. Sanson is a bit of a nothing player every time I see him. Best and tidy, but offers very little either going forward or defensively, without ever getting into the game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 04, 2022, 09:27:56 AM
I don't think we've seen enough of Sanson to say one way or the other, whereas we've had three years of Luiz and he's never been anything other than ordinary.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dogtanian on August 04, 2022, 09:28:23 AM
What I think Sanson gives us over Luiz at the minute is a bit more directness and a bit more tempo. We have a tendency to play quite slowly and we give teams a lot of time to prepare. Sanson, Buendia, and Bailey all move the ball quicker and start attacks quicker and sometimes we need that when we struggle to break a team down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: The Charmer on August 04, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
If Gallagher is really in the mix/ club's thoughts, then surely the time to negotiate would have been while the CG transfer was taking shape  - or is that too simplistic?

FWIW: I rate his contribution to games and wouldn't mind seeing him pitch-up at Villa (but not to take penalties though!)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 04, 2022, 09:46:49 AM
If Gallagher is really in the mix/ club's thoughts, then surely the time to negotiate would have been while the CG transfer was taking shape  - or is that too simplistic?

FWIW: I rate his contribution to games and wouldn't mind seeing him pitch-up at Villa (but not to take penalties though!)
Yes and that’s why it’s bollocks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2022, 09:49:22 AM
Looked past it on both occasions against us last year.

Still did better than Ings and Watkins despite being injured for a fair chunk. 15 league goals in 25 games, a few penalties in that lot no doubt but he's still one of the best strikers in the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 04, 2022, 09:53:18 AM
Looked past it on both occasions against us last year.

Still did better than Ings and Watkins despite being injured for a fair chunk. 15 league goals in 25 games, a few penalties in that lot no doubt but he's still one of the best strikers in the league.
He seems pretty injury prone these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 04, 2022, 10:26:29 AM
What I think Sanson gives us over Luiz at the minute is a bit more directness and a bit more tempo. We have a tendency to play quite slowly and we give teams a lot of time to prepare. Sanson, Buendia, and Bailey all move the ball quicker and start attacks quicker and sometimes we need that when we struggle to break a team down.
I agree, although Luiz may well have that in his locker too.  He's played very few games so far at 8 and Gerrard is obviously seeing something he likes if he picks him above Ramsey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2022, 11:04:37 AM
Looked past it on both occasions against us last year.

Still did better than Ings and Watkins despite being injured for a fair chunk. 15 league goals in 25 games, a few penalties in that lot no doubt but he's still one of the best strikers in the league.

I doubt players wives would be particularly happy having Mrs Vardy becoming part of their circle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2022, 11:05:40 AM
Maybe we could ask him to divorce her as part of any deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2022, 11:09:07 AM
Gallagher and Sangaire in, Chucky and Sanson out would be a great end to the window for me. Our midfield has been our weakness for too long, get that sorted our attacking players should improve their output. If they don't, next summer all in on a striker.

Agree with that although yes, not fussed if it's Luiz or Sanson either way really.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on August 04, 2022, 11:21:56 AM
We should try and get that Chukwuemeka from Chelsea on loan, by all accounts he's the next big thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2022, 11:41:00 AM
Too soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 04, 2022, 12:52:32 PM
We should try and get that Chukwuemeka from Chelsea on loan, by all accounts he's the next big thing.

Never heard of him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2022, 01:23:10 PM
We should try and get that Chukwuemeka from Chelsea on loan, by all accounts he's the next big thing.

Never heard of him.

You have. Chukwemeka, Barney?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 04, 2022, 02:07:46 PM
We should try and get that Chukwuemeka from Chelsea on loan, by all accounts he's the next big thing.

Never heard of him.

You have. Chukwemeka, Barney?

He's the one who was at Livingstone the other season?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 04, 2022, 02:34:51 PM
Maybe we could ask him to divorce her as part of any deal.

Perhaps we could pay her alimony instead of a transfer fee.  That or pay her legal fees.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2022, 02:36:06 PM
John Percy reckons were getting one more midfielder (a number 8) and possibly a centre forward.

I guess the midfielder will be that Sangare from France.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 04, 2022, 02:41:39 PM
Sangare plays for PSV :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 04, 2022, 02:47:42 PM
I don't think we've seen enough of Sanson to say one way or the other, whereas we've had three years of Luiz and he's never been anything other than ordinary.

I think this just about sums it up....we've seen enough of Luiz to know he aint great but not Sanson who may be worth a punt
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2022, 02:50:01 PM
John Percy reckons were getting one more midfielder (a number 8) and possibly a centre forward.

I guess the midfielder will be that Sangare from France.

Sangaré, oh-oh
Sangaré, oh-oh-oh-oh
He plays in claret & blue.....

Before the kids on Twitter get their mitts on it. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 04, 2022, 03:56:03 PM
I don't think we've seen enough of Sanson to say one way or the other, whereas we've had three years of Luiz and he's never been anything other than ordinary.

I think this just about sums it up....we've seen enough of Luiz to know he aint great but not Sanson who may be worth a punt

Yet two managers have kept picking Luiz ahead of Sanson. Luiz was our best player post the lockdown under Smith. Unfortunately has never shown that form consistently since but that peak level was a lot higher than what Sanson or McGinn has ever showed for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 04, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
After all these years, brackets and an eight still become a sunglasses emoji.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on August 04, 2022, 05:54:16 PM
After all these years, brackets and an eight still become a sunglasses emoji.

Have to try
(8

Edit: not for me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2022, 06:11:00 PM
Only works with right bracket. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 04, 2022, 06:11:39 PM
Oh no it doesn't...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 04, 2022, 06:55:28 PM
Sangare plays for PSV :)

Oops  :-X

Yes him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2022, 08:59:42 PM
Ibrahim Sangaré would be a brilliant signing but there's a few clubs after him. £38m is the fee doing the rounds, we could always throw in former PSV El Ghazi as a cherry on the top if they're interested and he agrees, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2022, 09:02:12 PM
Ibrahim Sangaré would be a brilliant signing but there's a few clubs after him. £38m is the fee doing the rounds, we could always throw in former PSV El Ghazi as a cherry on the top if they're interested and he agrees, obviously.

I read, probably on here, that he’s in the last year of his contract and bids of £20m might be enough. Has a genuine bidding war happened?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 04, 2022, 09:02:37 PM
Didn't know where to mention this but has anyone seen the most recent overlap programme on YouTube? We really are out of everybody's mind. They're even considering Everton more of a threat to break the top6. Why have we sunk so low in people's opinion of us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 04, 2022, 09:05:55 PM
Didn't know where to mention this but has anyone seen the most recent overlap programme on YouTube? We really are out of everybody's mind. They're even considering Everton more of a threat to break the top6. Why have we sunk so low in people's opinion of us?

The only top 6 Everton will get anywhere near in the foreseeable future is the top 6 in the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2022, 09:11:33 PM
After all these years, brackets and an eight still become a sunglasses emoji.

Have to try
(8

Edit: not for me

Only works if ur cool. He does like his 8) emojis and this is what I envisage Smirker (his pilot nickname) looks like in real life.

(https://images.firstpost.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/06/tom-cruise-top-gun-640.jpg?)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2022, 10:45:53 PM
Didn't know where to mention this but has anyone seen the most recent overlap programme on YouTube? We really are out of everybody's mind. They're even considering Everton more of a threat to break the top6. Why have we sunk so low in people's opinion of us?

Could be something to do with not finishing in the top half of the table for over 10 years. That's an eternity for the typical SSN viewer with a short attention span.

Relegated, outside the Pale for three years. Get up, stay up (just). Finish midtable and sell our best player. Then finish 14th. None of that screams ditch Liverpool and Yanited and bring your daytripper jester hats to VP.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 04, 2022, 10:55:51 PM
Didn't know where to mention this but has anyone seen the most recent overlap programme on YouTube? We really are out of everybody's mind. They're even considering Everton more of a threat to break the top6. Why have we sunk so low in people's opinion of us?

Could be something to do with not finishing in the top half of the table for over 10 years. That's an eternity for the typical SSN viewer with a short attention span.

Relegated, outside the Pale for three years. Get up, stay up (just). Finish midtable and sell our best player. Then finish 14th. None of that screams ditch Liverpool and Yanited and bring your daytripper jester hats to VP.



Agree with all that, but regardless the notion that Everton are more likely to break the top 6 is fucking bonkers. We have barely any chance, but they have absolutely no chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 04, 2022, 11:18:05 PM
I think Everton are very likely to be relegated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 04, 2022, 11:35:03 PM
I think Everton are very likely to be relegated.

As per usual Ads is right on the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 04, 2022, 11:37:53 PM
I agree, bournemouth, fulham and everton would be my bottom 3. Forest, Southampton and Brentford will be down there as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 04, 2022, 11:40:39 PM
I agree, bournemouth, fulham and everton would be my bottom 3. Forest, Southampton and Brentford will be down there as well.
Would add Wolves to that list, particularly if Neves leaves, Moutinho can’t carry them forever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2022, 11:50:59 PM
I think Everton are very likely to be relegated.

As per usual Ads is right on the money.

At least where Villa are concerned. Other than that he speaks out his cu.🤣
His team for Saturday you can bet the house on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 05, 2022, 12:27:31 AM
Didn't know where to mention this but has anyone seen the most recent overlap programme on YouTube? We really are out of everybody's mind. They're even considering Everton more of a threat to break the top6. Why have we sunk so low in people's opinion of us?

Because in 2011 the club under Lerner just gave up trying to compete. We then got relegated and spent three years down in the second tier. We have the right owners now but Joe's antics last year can't have helped.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 05, 2022, 12:40:36 AM
I’d hate to be held in high regard by the ‘experts’ that appear on TV, radio and social media today.
We know what our club is and it’s not based on the pound but history and tradition. There are things that money can’t buy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2022, 06:59:17 AM
I agree Paul. Villa have a bit of class about the way we operate and apart from John Percy, none of the press people seem to have the inside track on us and I think, to a degree they feel disempowered because they know little about us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2022, 06:59:41 AM
I’d hate to be held in high regard by the ‘experts’ that appear on TV, radio and social media today.
We know what our club is and it’s not based on the pound but history and tradition. There are things that money can’t buy.
yeh, like poverty.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 05, 2022, 07:07:22 AM
I agree, bournemouth, fulham and everton would be my bottom 3. Forest, Southampton and Brentford will be down there as well.
Leicester seem to be dismantling their squad as well. They won’t get relegated but they could plummet down the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 05, 2022, 07:43:41 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 05, 2022, 07:54:40 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!
Yeah, they mentioned us and Everton as potential surprises for a top 8. Linked with Everton in this way didn't thrill me and tended to undermine the guy's credibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 05, 2022, 08:30:45 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!
Yeah, they mentioned us and Everton as potential surprises for a top 8. Linked with Everton in this way didn't thrill me and tended to undermine the guy's credibility.

It might have something to do with Everton winning more league matches than us since Lampard took over. Everton's squad isn't even that bad.

If they spend more of that Richarlison money and pick up Emmanuel Dennis (10 goals, 6 assists in 35 apps) for a snip at £20m they'll do well.

We should be looking at Dennis for that price as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2022, 09:41:21 AM
Can’t believe anyone thinks Everton will do well.

They smell of doom.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2022, 09:44:28 AM
Fcuk me if we are in or around Everton by the end of the season we can start planning for away trips to Sunderland and Wigan
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 05, 2022, 09:55:03 AM
Last season was their 14/15 and Lampard is their Sherwood.  I think this year is their 15/16.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 05, 2022, 09:56:14 AM
I think we have a pretty small window of opporunity.  Man Utd are still a bit unknown, West Ham have done well but I expect them to fade in the next year or so, Wolves and Leicester are both slipping.  It's a shame Arsenal have got it together.  But key issue is the likely growth of Newcastle.  Right now we are ahead of them squad development wise.  If we're going to push the boat out, now is surely the time to do it?  With £17m net spend over 3 windows surely we have the means?

I don't know who exactly we should go for and appreciate the squad is bloated, but with Tottenham joining Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City over the horizon if we're going to make our move surely it needs to be now before Newcastle inevitably join them in the next few years?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 05, 2022, 10:14:32 AM
I think we have a pretty small window of opporunity.  Man Utd are still a bit unknown, West Ham have done well but I expect them to fade in the next year or so, Wolves and Leicester are both slipping.  It's a shame Arsenal have got it together.  But key issue is the likely growth of Newcastle.  Right now we are ahead of them squad development wise.  If we're going to push the boat out, now is surely the time to do it?  With £17m net spend over 3 windows surely we have the means?

I don't know who exactly we should go for and appreciate the squad is bloated, but with Tottenham joining Chelsea, Liverpool and Man City over the horizon if we're going to make our move surely it needs to be now before Newcastle inevitably join them in the next few years?

Completely agree with this.
There have been a few posts recently intimating lost opportunities since we came back up, but i don’t adhere to this. I think there was an inevitable period of trauma when trying to stay up and then transition, which unfortunately, maybe unexpectedly maybe not, included the loss of our best player, which in turn largely did for Smith, over simplistic i know.
However, this is now our 4th season back, we have now for the first time in well over a decade a very good competitive squad. We just need the owners to push now for ‘that’ couple of players, whoever those players are, as well as clearing 4 or 5 players out.
I also agree with you that along with what we do, Leicester, Wolves and to a lesser extent West Ham will fade, but like it or not Newcastle will be coming. Now is absolutely the time. I hope our owners are as serious as we all think.
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 05, 2022, 10:23:09 AM
The owners are serious, everything they have done tells you that.But its not easy to transition from a play off final to top 6 team  in 3 years.
For me with the squad and hopefully some teaks, the question is, Is the manager good enough?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2022, 10:24:32 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!

Hope it was Alex Scott. She's lovely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2022, 10:26:45 AM
Last season was their 14/15 and Lampard is their Sherwood.  I think this year is their 15/16.

I think they look (just about) stronger than we did then and will probably stay up. Mainly because their defence was already okay, and Tarkowski isn't going to make it worse.

But they're definitely in that spiral, and I reckon this is their Richardson / Senderos year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 05, 2022, 10:42:43 AM
Maybe we missed a player in Aribo from Rangers to Southampton £10m he's a Midfielder who Gerrard knows yet didn't try and sign him. Interesting to see how he performs in the premier league

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2022, 10:56:01 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!

Hope it was Alex Scott. She's lovely.

She's also good. Good 'n lovely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 05, 2022, 11:01:02 AM
One of the pundits mentioned us as a potential surprise package on the Beeb, can't remember who or which article and can't be arsed to go back and find it!!


Hope it was Alex Scott. She's lovely.

She's also good. Good 'n lovely.

She can't speak properly mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 05, 2022, 11:12:10 AM
Birningham. Love it when its pronounced like this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2022, 11:35:52 AM
I think we'll get 1 more in this window, probably someone like Sangare or Gallagher. That should mean there's plenty in the pot for adding 1-2 in January as well and, if things go to plan, we'll be looking at them as a top half of the league club, not one coming off a 14th place finish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 05, 2022, 12:15:09 PM
The Shummanites are circling Goodison Park, if you ask me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 05, 2022, 12:16:21 PM
I think we'll get 1 more in this window, probably someone like Sangare or Gallagher. That should mean there's plenty in the pot for adding 1-2 in January as well and, if things go to plan, we'll be looking at them as a top half of the league club, not one coming off a 14th place finish.

yep i think thats important
we tend to get a bit ahead of ourselves quite rightly with the investment and rebuild thats gone on at our club in recent years, but to everyone else we are a bottom half prem team with aspirations, which in fairness is exactly what we have been for a while but now heading in the right direction

if we are sitting in a higher place come Jan, top half maybe a few points away from the top 7 its becomes a different perspective
whether you like him or nor Gerrard makes us more high profile and someone who can atract a better player but coupled with better performances and a higher league table spot we become a different propostion for top players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 05, 2022, 01:24:15 PM
The Shummanites are circling Goodison Park, if you ask me.

PTSD trigger...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 05, 2022, 02:22:20 PM
Maybe we missed a player in Aribo from Rangers to Southampton £10m he's a Midfielder who Gerrard knows yet didn't try and sign him. Interesting to see how he performs in the premier league

Who cares? How he gets on isn’t remotely interesting, every single midfielder we have is better than him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: usav on August 05, 2022, 02:26:07 PM
Maybe we missed a player in Aribo from Rangers to Southampton £10m he's a Midfielder who Gerrard knows yet didn't try and sign him. Interesting to see how he performs in the premier league

I think you answered your own question.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2022, 02:37:26 PM
Last season was their 14/15 and Lampard is their Sherwood.  I think this year is their 15/16.

My thoughts exactly, and Idrissa Gueye is on his way over to complete the project.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2022, 02:54:01 PM
He's so anti-gay he changed his name to Gana.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2022, 03:03:58 PM
Renato Sanches has gone to PSG. I saw speculation that Milan were after him or our Doug, so there maybe a move on the cards there now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 05, 2022, 03:44:06 PM
Forest are splashing the cash like a Villa/Fulham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2022, 04:25:06 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 05, 2022, 04:33:55 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.

Totally agree.  That is some Everton style spending right there.

Pete O'Rouke linking us to Ndombele from Spurts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 05, 2022, 04:38:16 PM
Forest are splashing the cash like a Villa/Fulham.
Aren't they in a similar position to the one we were in? Having not much option but to bring in a load of players?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 05, 2022, 04:44:34 PM
Forest are splashing the cash like a Villa/Fulham.

I think it's time for a Villa 19/20 v Forest 22/23 Swingometer. Will get my brother on the case
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2022, 04:45:02 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.

Damn, do I keep Cucurella in my Fantasy squad now he'll be battling with Chilwell?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 05, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Forest are splashing the cash like a Villa/Fulham.
Aren't they in a similar position to the one we were in? Having not much option but to bring in a load of players?



Yeah, like most Championship teams, they had a lot of players on loan. Also, going up through the playoffs, suggests you have more improving to do to the squad, than the top 2.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2022, 05:00:46 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.

Damn, do I keep Cucurella in my Fantasy squad now he'll be battling with Chilwell?

I know the world is burning etc, but if I became world boss I think the first thing I'd do is ban fantasy fucking football and introduce on-the-spot excecutions to anyone watching football that then relates a real-time incident to "how this will affect my fantasy team".


Once that's sorted I'll deal with the fascists and BP and that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 05, 2022, 05:02:55 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.

Damn, do I keep Cucurella in my Fantasy squad now he'll be battling with Chilwell?

I know the world is burning etc, but if I became world boss I think the first thing I'd do is ban fantasy fucking football and introduce on-the-spot excecutions to anyone watching football that then relates a real-time incident to "how this will affect my fastasy team".


Once that's sorted I'll deal with the fascists and BP and that.

You say that, but you can get Bailey and Archer for 9.5M Lee
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 05, 2022, 05:10:04 PM
I suspect they're signing cucurella as a left of 3 centre half as much as full back, that's where they look weak.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 05, 2022, 05:25:50 PM
I wonder if the new Chelsea owner is engaged in some misguided attempt at showing his credentials?

£20m for an arsey child who thinks he's the second coming, and now a deal up to £62m for Cucurella - insane money.

Damn, do I keep Cucurella in my Fantasy squad now he'll be battling with Chilwell?

I know the world is burning etc, but if I became world boss I think the first thing I'd do is ban fantasy fucking football and introduce on-the-spot excecutions to anyone watching football that then relates a real-time incident to "how this will affect my fantasy team".


Once that's sorted I'll deal with the fascists and BP and that.

Jesus. Relax man.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 05, 2022, 05:38:34 PM
I suspect they're signing cucurella as a left of 3 centre half as much as full back, that's where they look weak.

It does seem bonkers to replace a £45m left-back with a £60m left-back unless you are literally shitting money.  I know they had that year with the embargo, but after Lukaku last year, and Sterling And cucurella this window, they can't have much more to spend without some sales to balance the books a bit?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2022, 06:24:12 PM
I know the world is burning etc, but if I became world boss I think the first thing I'd do is ban fantasy fucking football and introduce on-the-spot excecutions to anyone watching football that then relates a real-time incident to "how this will affect my fantasy team".

Agreed, also any mention of the Villa must be a reference to the greatest football club in the World rather than 'Love Island'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2022, 06:25:30 PM
Motion passed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 05, 2022, 06:26:19 PM
He's so anti-gay he changed his name to Gana.

Whereas Trez changed his to include it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 05, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
I suspect they're signing cucurella as a left of 3 centre half as much as full back, that's where they look weak.

It does seem bonkers to replace a £45m left-back with a £60m left-back unless you are literally shitting money.  I know they had that year with the embargo, but after Lukaku last year, and Sterling And cucurella this window, they can't have much more to spend without some sales to balance the books a bit?

Yet Chukwuemeka still thinks its a good move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 06, 2022, 03:03:39 AM
Chelsea have paid £60m for a 24 year old with 1 Spanish cap who has played for Getafe and Brighton. This is what makes me think we’ve done them over potentially with getting £20m for a kid that started 2 league games last season for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 06, 2022, 12:35:59 PM
Buying Diego Carlos off Sevilla when Chelsea wanted his centre back partner buggered them up a bit too.

With AC Milan missing out on Chukwuemeka and them now missing out on Renato Sanches, I wonder if they'll be in for Douglas Luis before the window closes.

I'd like to see us bring in both Sangaré AND Connor Gallagher if it's not asking too much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 06, 2022, 01:21:15 PM
We can cross Wijnaldum off the list, he’s joined Roma.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 06, 2022, 04:47:30 PM
If our summer shopping is done we are absolutely fucked
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 06, 2022, 05:02:28 PM
How can we spend so much and remain so shit? How do nothing clubs like Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Brentford keep beating us year after year on a fraction of our budget?

Sick of it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 06, 2022, 05:05:25 PM
Missed a trick not going for Cornet imo.
Bailey is dog poo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 06, 2022, 05:25:51 PM
How can we spend so much and remain so shit? How do nothing clubs like Watford, Bournemouth, Burnley and Brentford keep beating us year after year on a fraction of our budget?

Sick of it



Because our standards left the day we sold Dwight Yorke. We rolled over, admitted where we were in the food chain and then stood back while others surpassed us. It doesn't hurt enough when you lose at villa because it's only villa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2022, 05:39:40 PM
I do not trust this manager so we should not make any further signings in this window. Wait now and see if he can get a tune out of his current squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 06, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
If we don’t spend on that midfield then no matter who the manager is we’ll struggle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 06:19:40 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 06, 2022, 06:25:43 PM
The midfield is screaming out for an upgrade and has been for a while. Are the owners willing to dig deep for that and a forward because I agree we need both.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 06:52:04 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

At 8 - we have McGinn, Ramsey, Luiz, Sanson
Forward - Watkins, Ings, Archer and Davis.

We shouldnt sign another player until we get rid of some first (which I'm not against for most of them).

I think we/coaching staff first need to think long and hard what kind of team we want to have.....this rubbish trying to turn Cash and Digne into TAA and Robertson needs to end for me. Occasionally full backs to overlap but not shoving every pass in attacking areas out wide for a cross to no one.

That 433 today was rubbish. A fudge trying to accommodate Bailey.

Solid back 4
Kamara + 1 (Not McGinn!)
Luiz, Buendia, McGinn/Ramsey
------------+ 1

That + 1 to be maybe Sanson for now as at least he can get turned on a ball and pass it accurately, otherwise Luiz if he doesn't leave next week. Whoever is playing in the next line (likes of Ramsey and even McGinn) need to start getting past the striker to be another option in the box like Platt or even Lampard used to. Buendia needs to be at 10 ahead of Coutinho. If he was fully fit I'd nearly start Davis v Everton to give something completely different, otherwise try Archer.

Bailey for me, despite a decent first 20 mins today looks an odd fit unfortunately. No better than Traore anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 06, 2022, 07:03:09 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

At 8 - we have McGinn, Ramsey, Luiz, Sanson
Forward - Watkins, Ings, Archer and Davis.

We shouldnt sign another player until we get rid of some first (which I'm not against for most of them).

I think we/coaching staff first need to think long and hard what kind of team we want to have.....this rubbish trying to turn Cash and Digne into TAA and Robertson needs to end for me. Occasionally full backs to overlap but not shoving every pass in attacking areas out wide for a cross to no one.

That 433 today was rubbish. A fudge trying to accommodate Bailey.

Solid back 4
Kamara + 1 (Not McGinn!)
Luiz, Buendia, McGinn/Ramsey
------------+ 1

That + 1 to be maybe Sanson for now as at least he can get turned on a ball and pass it accurately, otherwise Luiz if he doesn't leave next week. Whoever is playing in the next line (likes of Ramsey and even McGinn) need to start getting past the striker to be another option in the box like Platt or even Lampard used to. Buendia needs to be at 10 ahead of Coutinho. If he was fully fit I'd nearly start Davis v Everton to give something completely different, otherwise try Archer.

Bailey for me, despite a decent first 20 mins today looks an odd fit unfortunately. No better than Traore anyway.

What the..  :o
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 07:40:12 PM
I do not trust this manager so we should not make any further signings in this window. Wait now and see if he can get a tune out of his current squad.

His signing Kamara was the best player on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 06, 2022, 07:44:12 PM
I do not trust this manager so we should not make any further signings in this window. Wait now and see if he can get a tune out of his current squad.

His signing Kamara was the best player on the pitch.

Sorry Aftab but I disagree.  Gerrard HAS to be back, otherwise, what's the point in appointing him.  We need a busy centre forward and another midfielder in quickly. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 06, 2022, 08:18:42 PM
There are myriad criticisms of Gerrard on here tonight and before, some from me, but I'm not really opposed to any of his signings. I'm more disappointed with who we haven't signed, in particular our failure, thus far, to acquire a top goalscorer. Hopefully this is rectified by September. Along with another midfielder, preferably. Though I seem the exception on here in that I'd rather sign a forward than a midfielder if we can have only one or the other.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 09:09:41 PM
There are myriad criticisms of Gerrard on here tonight and before, some from me, but I'm not really opposed to any of his signings. I'm more disappointed with who we haven't signed, in particular our failure, thus far, to acquire a top goalscorer. Hopefully this is rectified by September. Along with another midfielder, preferably. Though I seem the exception on here in that I'd rather sign a forward than a midfielder if we can have only one or the other.

I'm with you, a top quality striker is an absolute must. Ings looks like an old man doing his best, and Watkins looks like a lower league player, full of running but very short on quality. I'd stick Buendia in the actual midfield if need be. A decent midfielder would be nice, but it would also be good to get the best out of the ones we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 06, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
Yes a forward over a midfielder every time.
The problem is we are not utilising the ones we have properly.
This is down to selection and system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2022, 09:17:04 PM
Missed a trick not going for Cornet imo.
Bailey is dog poo.

No he’s not. He hasn’t shown what he can do for us yet, but he has quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 06, 2022, 09:35:28 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2022, 09:36:45 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 06, 2022, 09:50:10 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

We do, but we need to manage them properly to make it happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 06, 2022, 10:17:14 PM
Do not let Gerrard spend any more money…… we will need it in the Next transfer window when he’s gone.

An honest question…..has anyone seen any improvement anywhere on the pitch since he was appointed??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on August 06, 2022, 10:23:34 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2022, 10:26:40 PM
Do not let Gerrard spend any more money…… we will need it in the Next transfer window when he’s gone.

An honest question…..has anyone seen any improvement anywhere on the pitch since he was appointed??


The translucent knitwear has been impeccable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 06, 2022, 10:29:38 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?

Our strikers are shit. Ings looks like he needs a zimmer frame, and Watkins resembles a puppy chasing a balloon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 10:39:17 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?

Our strikers are shit. Ings looks like he needs a zimmer frame, and Watkins resembles a puppy chasing a balloon.

Ings had a very good first 25/30 mins but you just knew on a warm day he wouldnt last the pace. Still, he was out on his feet just after half time, hands on hips time. I don't think we can be carrying such a player on his wages, yet Gerrard has him in his 'leadership' group. If we got a chance to shift him on in the next few weeks we have to take it. I'd have a lot more faith in Watkins, for starters he can last 90 mins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 06, 2022, 10:40:07 PM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?

Our strikers are shit. Ings looks like he needs a zimmer frame, and Watkins resembles a puppy chasing a balloon.

If balloons cannoned off puppies the way that footballs fire from Watkins' shins they'd be illegal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on August 06, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
All strikers need service, yet our midfield provide precious little of it. Until we find the right formula in the middle, we won’t score goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 06, 2022, 10:56:40 PM
All strikers need service, yet our midfield provide precious little of it. Until we find the right formula in the middle, we won’t score goals.

We provide crosses though, any amount of them from every angle...the Bournemouth back 3 and the two sitting midfielders must have a headache this evening from all the uncontested headers they had v Ings today. Tragic to watch in truth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 12:45:28 AM
I'm not sure if the weather was a factor with Ings. I'm wondering whether he's just had it. He was lively and then totally vanished. Eitherway, neither him or Watkins occupy centre halves with enough frequency. Oh for prime Benteke in this side!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 12:46:48 AM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?

Our strikers are shit. Ings looks like he needs a zimmer frame, and Watkins resembles a puppy chasing a balloon.

Ings had a very good first 25/30 mins but you just knew on a warm day he wouldnt last the pace. Still, he was out on his feet just after half time, hands on hips time. I don't think we can be carrying such a player on his wages, yet Gerrard has him in his 'leadership' group. If we got a chance to shift him on in the next few weeks we have to take it. I'd have a lot more faith in Watkins, for starters he can last 90 mins.

Apparently we missed our chance to sell him to West Ham at a decent price, so the chef says.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 07, 2022, 01:24:27 AM
I do not trust this manager so we should not make any further signings in this window. Wait now and see if he can get a tune out of his current squad.

His signing Kamara was the best player on the pitch.
I agree, he'd make a great scout.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 07, 2022, 04:27:44 AM
I have been optimistic that we will bring in one or two more but after todays shit show I doubt anyone will make a difference
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 07:20:36 AM
There are myriad criticisms of Gerrard on here tonight and before, some from me, but I'm not really opposed to any of his signings. I'm more disappointed with who we haven't signed, in particular our failure, thus far, to acquire a top goalscorer. Hopefully this is rectified by September. Along with another midfielder, preferably. Though I seem the exception on here in that I'd rather sign a forward than a midfielder if we can have only one or the other.

I'm with you, a top quality striker is an absolute must. Ings looks like an old man doing his best, and Watkins looks like a lower league player, full of running but very short on quality. I'd stick Buendia in the actual midfield if need be. A decent midfielder would be nice, but it would also be good to get the best out of the ones we have.

I agree with you on Buendia, as long as he doesn’t ask him to be a makeshift full-back. I almost feel sorry for McGinn in this regard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 07, 2022, 07:59:01 AM
Pay the money for Conor Gallagher
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bobby Boy on August 07, 2022, 08:34:19 AM
Pay the money for Conor Gallagher

It doesn't matter who we bring in if they are going to be bypassed completely by an obsession with getting the ball to the full backs.

Conor Gallagher will be no answer if the style of play remains as it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2022, 08:35:59 AM
We need a centre forward and an 8 badly.

Funny isn't it, the last couple of years all we needed was a 6..

I'm not sure what's funny about thinking we need better quality players to lift us out the bottom half.

Seriously! Make reference to bottom half after one performance is just plain daft. When we plug the gaps of a cf and an 8, which position will you demand next?

We have clearly got a quality squad that are not achieving what's required. Surely the focus should be on the management?

Our strikers are shit. Ings looks like he needs a zimmer frame, and Watkins resembles a puppy chasing a balloon.

Ings had a very good first 25/30 mins but you just knew on a warm day he wouldnt last the pace. Still, he was out on his feet just after half time, hands on hips time. I don't think we can be carrying such a player on his wages, yet Gerrard has him in his 'leadership' group. If we got a chance to shift him on in the next few weeks we have to take it. I'd have a lot more faith in Watkins, for starters he can last 90 mins.

Apparently we missed our chance to sell him to West Ham at a decent price, so the chef says.

He turned it down apparently, no doubt having been told he'll start for us. Had he been given the Mings treatment he might have took the offer, and we could've got our money back on an expensive mistake that has frankly caused more problems than he's solved.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 08:42:20 AM
Ings can at least look back on 20 minutes of contribution. Watkins was poor again. His touch remains so poor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2022, 08:57:55 AM
Ings can at least look back on 20 minutes of contribution. Watkins was poor again. His touch remains so poor.

The thing is, I've seen Watkins be outstanding for us and believe with a bit if confidence restored I'll see it again.

I've only seen Ings be wasteful and generally weak.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 09:02:57 AM
There was an occasion yesterday where he received the ball with his back to goal, threaded through their midfield and about 5 yards onto him against a defender. His touch was so poor he miscontrolled it beyond their midfielder. That's not confidence, that's something he ought to have the ability to do from a young age. He can't and never will, no matter how chipper he feels at any given moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 09:05:20 AM
Neither of them are good enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2022, 09:05:33 AM
There was an occasion yesterday where he received the ball with his back to goal, threaded through their midfield and about 5 yards onto him against a defender. His touch was so poor he miscontrolled it beyond their midfielder. That's not confidence, that's something he ought to have the ability to do from a young age. He can't and never will, no matter how chipper he feels at any given moment.

His touch was fine in his first season. Is that now gone forever? And even with a woeful first touch he still gives more to the team than Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 07, 2022, 09:07:03 AM
There was an occasion yesterday where he received the ball with his back to goal, threaded through their midfield and about 5 yards onto him against a defender. His touch was so poor he miscontrolled it beyond their midfielder. That's not confidence, that's something he ought to have the ability to do from a young age. He can't and never will, no matter how chipper he feels at any given moment.

His touch was fine in his first season. Is that now gone forever? And even with a woeful first touch he still gives more to the team than Ings.

Yes he might well do more than Ings on balance, but that's not the yardstick is it, being the tallest dwarf. We need our Benteke for the current day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2022, 09:19:12 AM
I don't disagree on that but until we find him it's Watkins> Archer > Davis > Ings for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 09:25:09 AM
Neither of them are good enough.
Yep and this has been obvious for some time now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 07, 2022, 09:35:42 AM
We've got a huge squad of players. Most purchased for serious money. We've got to find some answers from within. Ings, Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, Buendia. Nearly £150m spent on all that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 09:39:43 AM
We haven't got a striker in the squad that is suited to Gerrard's current preferred formation. We need a Benteke/Drogba type - none of the four we have are anything like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: exigo on August 07, 2022, 09:56:38 AM
We haven't got a striker in the squad that is suited to Gerrard's current preferred formation. We need a Benteke/Drogba type - none of the four we have are anything like that.

This is what annoys me though. Good managers set up to the strengths of the players they've got. Buendia threading balls through for Watkins suits both of them, as it mirrors what they were used to at Norwich and Brentford.
Last season Gerrard was trying to force a new system on players that didn't suit it. Now he's had a summer and transfer window, and we're still set up all wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 10:09:17 AM
And let's be honest - a manager who has the decent attacking options we have should have the nouse to develop a system that plays to their strengths. Ings, Phil, Emi2 and Watkins would all get into most premier league teams outside the top 6, (perhaps not on current form though)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2022, 10:35:00 AM
We haven't got a striker in the squad that is suited to Gerrard's current preferred formation. We need a Benteke/Drogba type - none of the four we have are anything like that.

What is his preferred formation? 

Ironically Davis is the closest to what you describe.  He isn’t as good as watkins/Ings but the ‘sum of the parts’ could see an overall improvement.  Would piss off most the crowd and squad trying it though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 10:43:11 AM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 07, 2022, 10:47:02 AM
Sangaré won't be the key to the double pivot then. Signed a new contract at PSV.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 07, 2022, 10:47:27 AM
We haven't got a striker in the squad that is suited to Gerrard's current preferred formation. We need a Benteke/Drogba type - none of the four we have are anything like that.

What is his preferred formation? 

Ironically Davis is the closest to what you describe.  He isn’t as good as watkins/Ings but the ‘sum of the parts’ could see an overall improvement.  Would piss off most the crowd and squad trying it though.

I "think" it's the 433 he started today with - which makes sense of giving McGinn the captain's armband.

On the other point Davis can't score though... but yes - the physical side of what he does would be interesting, with Emi2, Phil ad Ramsey buzzing around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 10:58:36 AM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Heard from someone in the know, or read an article online?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2022, 11:27:27 AM
An article online...c'mon, Footy is better than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 11:29:56 AM
Well Pulisic or Gallagher would be very welcome additions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2022, 11:38:31 AM
Loftus-Cheek, not so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 11:47:11 AM
We haven't got a striker in the squad that is suited to Gerrard's current preferred formation. We need a Benteke/Drogba type - none of the four we have are anything like that.

What is his preferred formation? 

Ironically Davis is the closest to what you describe.  He isn’t as good as watkins/Ings but the ‘sum of the parts’ could see an overall improvement.  Would piss off most the crowd and squad trying it though.

I "think" it's the 433 he started today with - which makes sense of giving McGinn the captain's armband.

On the other point Davis can't score though... but yes - the physical side of what he does would be interesting, with Emi2, Phil ad Ramsey buzzing around him.

I’d say, when we have the ball, it’s:

Martinez

McGinn Two centre-halves Ramsay
                       Kamara



Massive empty midfield




Cash Coutinho Digne

Bailey

Striker



Very balanced.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 12:17:58 PM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Heard from someone in the know, or read an article online?

The response is that Chelsea player looking at his options and Villa are one who would be keen for a loan
Anything doing won't happen to late and we're not only ones.
And an interesting thing also was that Lampards Everton after a host of Chelsea players.
But not the same as the one we like.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2022, 12:24:45 PM
So not an answer then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 07, 2022, 12:28:09 PM
There was an occasion yesterday where he received the ball with his back to goal, threaded through their midfield and about 5 yards onto him against a defender. His touch was so poor he miscontrolled it beyond their midfielder. That's not confidence, that's something he ought to have the ability to do from a young age. He can't and never will, no matter how chipper he feels at any given moment.

His touch was fine in his first season. Is that now gone forever? And even with a woeful first touch he still gives more to the team than Ings.

His back to goal play was always substandard. Rotten first touch and his ball striking is far from elite too. his technical skills are limited. But at his best for us, he was running onto through balls and an absolute handful physically. Think of that disallowed goal v West Ham. He is as honest as the day is long, also a good defender from the front and at set piece time.

I'm afraid Grealish made Watkins look a top player. Same as how Luiz and McGinn's inability to get turned on the ball in midfield was masked by a tactic that sought out the left wing at every opportunity. The nearest we have these days to Grealish is Buendia. Pick him at 10 and the rest will improve I'm certain.

Ings should be done after yesterday though. 20m for a striker than can barely last 45 mins, ffs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 07, 2022, 12:51:41 PM
It can only be Gallagher because there is no way Chelsea are loaning out Pulisic.  I'd take the latter in a heartbeat. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: saint13 on August 07, 2022, 01:15:23 PM
It can only be Gallagher because there is no way Chelsea are loaning out Pulisic.  I'd take the latter in a heartbeat.

I would be more than happy with Gallahger. He would give us much needced energy and thrust. Things we really lack presently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2022, 01:16:59 PM
No loans, please. We aren't in the Championship any more. If he's available, buy him. If not, buy someone else. I've no wish to develop players for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on August 07, 2022, 01:20:48 PM
No loans, please. We aren't in the Championship any more. If he's available, buy him. If not, buy someone else. I've no wish to develop players for Chelsea.

This.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2022, 01:22:42 PM
Coutinho was a loan initially.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on August 07, 2022, 01:24:50 PM
A loan with an option to buy, I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Arsey on August 07, 2022, 01:25:16 PM
No loans, please. We aren't in the Championship any more. If he's available, buy him. If not, buy someone else. I've no wish to develop players for Chelsea.

desperate times…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 07, 2022, 01:26:43 PM
It can only be Gallagher because there is no way Chelsea are loaning out Pulisic.  I'd take the latter in a heartbeat.

I would be more than happy with Gallahger. He would give us much needced energy and thrust. Things we really lack presently.

I doubt very much it will be Gallagher, from what I've read over the last few weeks Chelsea want to get him involved this season. If it is him, a loan with an option to buy is the only proposal we should be putting on the table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
It can only be Gallagher because there is no way Chelsea are loaning out Pulisic.  I'd take the latter in a heartbeat.

I would be more than happy with Gallahger. He would give us much needced energy and thrust. Things we really lack presently.

Which full back would he play behind?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 07, 2022, 01:28:13 PM
Loans, buys or gifts from the Gods I don't care just some players to improve the team please!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 07, 2022, 01:34:44 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2022, 01:37:24 PM
Coutinho was a loan initially.

True, but it was always likely we would sign him permanently, and we aren't in competition with Barcelona. If you said to me we were signing Gallagher on loan but had a pre-agreed fee, I'd be happy with that (though I would still rather sign him so we can play against them). If we are loaning him to boost his future Chelsea first team hopes or so that they can get a bigger fee elsewhere next summer, bollocks to that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2022, 01:54:34 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 07, 2022, 01:57:17 PM
Coutinho was a loan initially.

True, but it was always likely we would sign him permanently, and we aren't in competition with Barcelona. If you said to me we were signing Gallagher on loan but had a pre-agreed fee, I'd be happy with that (though I would still rather sign him so we can play against them). If we are loaning him to boost his future Chelsea first team hopes or so that they can get a bigger fee elsewhere next summer, bollocks to that.
playing under Gerrard's coaching wouldn't necessarily be boosting his future ...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2022, 01:58:05 PM
Playing for Palace for a year didn't do much for his Chelsea first team chances. Chelsea are easily distracted by anything shiny. You could bring him in on loan and he would probably want to make it permanent too, like Coutinho. We can try and buy him but Chelsea would probably demand a buy-back clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 07, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
There was an occasion yesterday where he received the ball with his back to goal, threaded through their midfield and about 5 yards onto him against a defender. His touch was so poor he miscontrolled it beyond their midfielder. That's not confidence, that's something he ought to have the ability to do from a young age. He can't and never will, no matter how chipper he feels at any given moment.

Shades of when Harewood player for us and the bloke behind shouted "bloody hell Marlon, you can trap a ball further than I can pass it".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2022, 02:06:40 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Indeed and, unlike some of our French signings, our record with midfielders called Conor is pretty good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 02:13:01 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.

Exactly. We might as well play four full-backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 02:14:27 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.

Exactly. We might as well play four full-backs.

When your midfielders are as dire as Ramsey and McGinn were, I’m not sure what else could be done to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 07, 2022, 02:15:18 PM
No loans, please. We aren't in the Championship any more. If he's available, buy him. If not, buy someone else. I've no wish to develop players for Chelsea.
Agree. Only want loans where they're effectively sale-or-return now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 07, 2022, 03:05:02 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Keep away from Jordan's would be my advice?

Difficult to sell the 'dream/vision' after yesterdays performance?
Indeed and, unlike some of our French signings, our record with midfielders called Conor is pretty good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2022, 03:06:17 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.

Exactly. We might as well play four full-backs.

When your midfielders are as dire as Ramsey and McGinn were, I’m not sure what else could be done to be honest.

Ramsey and McGinn - any decent 8 - are at their best when then can use their energy and athleticism to get into attacking oppositions.  They’re not allowed to do this under the current tactics.  Toning down the full-backs a bit might actually make us more attacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 03:08:41 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.

Exactly. We might as well play four full-backs.

When your midfielders are as dire as Ramsey and McGinn were, I’m not sure what else could be done to be honest.

We could give them a chance by asking them to play in midfield. Seems unfair for instance to play them as full-backs then moan that they don’t score or create. But I do agree about McGinn. He’s been shit since before SG, since  the championship IMO.

But still, you wouldn’t ask Big Emi to play off the striker for half the game then moan that he’s let a few goals in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 07, 2022, 03:22:17 PM
I wonder what Ivan Toney could do with 38 crosses?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2022, 03:41:54 PM
I wonder what Ivan Toney could do with 38 crosses?

At least 20 Zulu hand gestures, no doubt.

All joking aside, he's a good player, but I'd be after Jonathan David from Lille.

I'm thinking that if I mention him enough, we might sign him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 03:45:37 PM
I wonder what Ivan Toney could do with 38 crosses?
the quality of those yesterday, fuck all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 07, 2022, 03:47:42 PM
Two goals for David today vs Auxerre, too.

He's a wonderful striker. I'm very surprised nobody has snatched him away this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 07, 2022, 03:47:50 PM
Just set-up as a 4-2-3-1, with 2 genuine defensive prongs to shield the defence and control possession. Kamara's a good start. Recruit another and let the creative players in front create. Buendia can certainly play as a 10 and thread players in. Coutinho I'm still waiting to show what he can do at his best. I still like having some wide forwards who the full-backs back-up and support.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2022, 03:59:01 PM
I think Gallagher would make a massive difference to the midfield. Box to box, great energy and intensity and chips in with goals. His pressing is fantastic.

Unless he’s changed tactics I think lung busting 8s are a bit wasted in his system where the midfielders drop in to cover the full-backs.

Exactly. We might as well play four full-backs.

When your midfielders are as dire as Ramsey and McGinn were, I’m not sure what else could be done to be honest.

Ramsey and McGinn - any decent 8 - are at their best when then can use their energy and athleticism to get into attacking oppositions.  They’re not allowed to do this under the current tactics.  Toning down the full-backs a bit might actually make us more attacking.

Some of our best play goes through the full backs, I wouldn't be toning then down. Wide players should be covering when they go forward. We often seem far too narrow so no surprise players have to travel twenty yards out of positon to cover for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 04:08:24 PM


We could give them a chance by asking them to play in midfield. Seems unfair for instance to play them as full-backs then moan that they don’t score or create. But I do agree about McGinn. He’s been shit since before SG, since  the championship IMO.

But still, you wouldn’t ask Big Emi to play off the striker for half the game then moan that he’s let a few goals in.


(https://i.ibb.co/8BQqxXR/Screenshot-2022-08-07-at-16-04-42.png) (https://ibb.co/8BQqxXR)

That was McGinn and Ramsey's heat maps for yesterday (our half is on the right, Bournemouth on the left), pretty much exactly where you'd expect to see your left and right sided midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 07, 2022, 04:27:53 PM
He does Paul. There is definite quality in Bailey without a doubt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 07, 2022, 05:21:47 PM
I can't see us signing a striker unless we shift out Ings, which doesn't seem likely. If only we could have signed Abraham permanently when we were promoted, it would have saved us a fortune.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2022, 05:57:19 PM


We could give them a chance by asking them to play in midfield. Seems unfair for instance to play them as full-backs then moan that they don’t score or create. But I do agree about McGinn. He’s been shit since before SG, since  the championship IMO.

But still, you wouldn’t ask Big Emi to play off the striker for half the game then moan that he’s let a few goals in.


(https://i.ibb.co/8BQqxXR/Screenshot-2022-08-07-at-16-04-42.png) (https://ibb.co/8BQqxXR)

That was McGinn and Ramsey's heat maps for yesterday (our half is on the right, Bournemouth on the left), pretty much exactly where you'd expect to see your left and right sided midfielders.

Fair enough. Good evidence. I like this level of info.

It’s when I see them live when it nausea me most. If it wasn’t happening yesterday (hard to tell on a stream) then maybe the penny’s dropped with him. I still agree with your assessment of McGinn anyway, despite my feeling that he is a bit hamstrung by tactics. It can happen - look at how bang average Grealish looks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 07, 2022, 06:18:23 PM
Gallagher....a big yes, even if only on loan.
Pulisic - as I've said many times - would be amazing, different level, and even the thought of it has made me moist.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2022, 07:23:54 PM
If we fail to sign a scorer and hopefully another midfielder (especially if Sanson is on the naughty step) then we're going to struggle. Again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 07, 2022, 07:44:42 PM

There's talk Saïd Benrahma is available from West Ham
There's a few clubs at the moment looking to sell assets so they can get some funds or balance things out.
Leicester City are a team that have players we can take advantage of.
However it's more at the moment this Chelsea loan signing if anything for us.
But then I'm sure other rumours will develop.
Thursday September 1st is last day of transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 07, 2022, 07:51:13 PM
Benrahma would be excellent but doesn't seem a Gerrard sort of player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy65 on August 07, 2022, 07:57:20 PM
Really. He isn’t better than what we already have imo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 07, 2022, 10:24:08 PM
Really. He isn’t better than what we already have imo
Agree,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 07, 2022, 10:24:59 PM
We've just dumped Bertrand Traoré in the bomb squad. There's no way on the planet we'll be bringing in a virtual carbon copy of him in the shape of Benrahma.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 07, 2022, 10:36:23 PM
Really. He isn’t better than what we already have imo
Totally agree
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2022, 11:19:25 PM
Trouble with our 2 strikers is that they both lack what the other has. Ings can't run, literally he's slower than a 38 year old Barry, but he can finish. But with no pace, he's jot making any runs that stretch the opposition, so becomes static. Our midfield has no one to hit, as he's making no space, and he's not a target man. In contrast Watkins will run all day, but has lost all ability to control or pass, or make a run that actually does something. Neither are good enough, and until that changes we can't move forward. Likewise with midfield, McGinn and Ramsey are not a pair that dovetail. One or the other, with a much stronger, better passing alternative.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2022, 11:21:24 PM
Trouble with our 2 strikers is that they both lack what the other has. Ings can't run, literally he's slower than a 38 year old Barry, but he can finish. But with no pace, he's jot making any runs that stretch the opposition, so becomes static. Our midfield has no one to hit, as he's making no space, and he's not a target man. In contrast Watkins will run all day, but has lost all ability to control or pass, or make a run that actually does something. Neither are good enough, and until that changes we can't move forward. Likewise with midfield, McGinn and Ramsey are not a pair that dovetail. One or the other, with a much stronger, better passing alternative.

Davis as the fulcrum with Coutinho and Buendia playing off him might be the answer. Archer for when it's not working.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2022, 11:24:45 PM
You know what, Davis would probably be more use in the way Stevie Me wants to play.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2022, 11:26:22 PM
You know what, Davis would probably be more use in the way Steven Me wants to play.

He definitely would. Obviously it'll never happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 07, 2022, 11:28:14 PM
Sad thing is Davis can't hit a barn door. We do need that type of striker though. Someone like Toney much as I don't like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 07, 2022, 11:32:07 PM
I'm not sure that he needs to, just bring the others in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2022, 11:41:11 PM
Trouble with our 2 strikers is that they both lack what the other has. Ings can't run, literally he's slower than a 38 year old Barry, but he can finish. But with no pace, he's jot making any runs that stretch the opposition, so becomes static. Our midfield has no one to hit, as he's making no space, and he's not a target man. In contrast Watkins will run all day, but has lost all ability to control or pass, or make a run that actually does something. Neither are good enough, and until that changes we can't move forward. Likewise with midfield, McGinn and Ramsey are not a pair that dovetail. One or the other, with a much stronger, better passing alternative.

Ings can't finish though. He had two or three good chances against Spurs and fluffed them all. Should have opened the scoring away at West Ham, and messed that up too. Should have got an easy header against Man City away, but missed that. Most of his shots now seem to be from the McGinn book of blazing them a mile over the bar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2022, 01:40:19 AM
Every striker misses chances though. Pretty sure there's been stats showing that Ings' conversion rate last season was not far off the top scorers. We don't make enough chances for him and he barely makes any chances for himself. Watkins is better at the latter but he has other...issues.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 08, 2022, 07:04:24 AM
Listening to Gerrard's comments after the game, it looks as though we will be trying to sign a striker in the next few weeks

Be interesting to see who it will be (hopefully not a panic buy)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2022, 07:24:35 AM
My concern at the moment is other sides are starting to fix their issues (even Everton are trying to plug their gaping midfield and defensive issues). I do think Carlos and Kamara are excellent signings, but our midfield simply doesn't work, we lack pace and have little movement up front. We are 2-3 players in the squad short at the moment of the right quality.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2022, 07:46:34 AM
My hope is that as we get closer to the end of the window someone will come for Ings when the silly week before deadline kicks in and we get a striker who fits how we want to play, I don’t know why and there is zero evidence or rumour but I wouldn’t surprised if we signed Alexander Isak.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2022, 08:20:03 AM
My concern at the moment is other sides are starting to fix their issues (even Everton are trying to plug their gaping midfield and defensive issues). I do think Carlos and Kamara are excellent signings, but our midfield simply doesn't work, we lack pace and have little movement up front. We are 2-3 players in the squad short at the moment of the right quality.
Bailey and Archer together would give us plenty of pace and movement up top. It's not that we don't have pace; it's that SG picks Coutinho above all and plans the tactic around him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on August 08, 2022, 09:01:21 AM
I'm not sure that he needs to, just bring the others in.

I’ve often thought about this. A new breed of Centre Forward.
Paul-e also touched on this subject a while ago.

The question I ask myself is:
Who would you class as better? One who scores 5 goals but assists in setting up 20, or, one that scores 15 but assists in 3?

If Keinan stayed fit he would certainly be the first option
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2022, 09:07:59 AM
My concern at the moment is other sides are starting to fix their issues (even Everton are trying to plug their gaping midfield and defensive issues). I do think Carlos and Kamara are excellent signings, but our midfield simply doesn't work, we lack pace and have little movement up front. We are 2-3 players in the squad short at the moment of the right quality.
Bailey and Archer together would give us plenty of pace and movement up top. It's not that we don't have pace; it's that SG picks Coutinho above all and plans the tactic around him.

I would be amazed if we end the window without signing a physically imposing centre mid, and centre forward. We need both to make this Gerrard style get closer to functioning. A prime Benteke from somewhere would be good
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2022, 09:11:10 AM
I’m probably One of Keinan Davis biggest fans on here but he gets injured too much and can’t be taken seriously because of it

One of the better runs he had was at Forest but he still got injured in the end
The fans loved him and wanted to sign him but Forest looked elsewhere in my view not because he wasn’t good enough but because he can’t be relied on

He’s the best we have at the club at holding the ball up bullying defenders has a good touch and plays people in with good linkup play but it means nothing if you’re sitting at home with a injury.
I mean he couldn’t even make it through the preseason tour without pulling a hammy, Like I say I think he is a fine footballer but injury prone
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 08, 2022, 09:19:16 AM
I’m surprised we are still relying on either Ollie or Ings when they have struggled for so long for any kind of consistency. I’d really give Archer a chance to shine, what is there to lose?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 08, 2022, 09:26:46 AM
I’m surprised we are still relying on either Ollie or Ings when they have struggled for so long for any kind of consistency. I’d really give Archer a chance to shine, what is there to lose?
absolutely nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2022, 09:28:10 AM
It's a mess of two different manager's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.

In Gerrard's set up we need a striker and very mobile central midfielders who can cover the fullbacks. Neither Ramsey or McGinn are that type of player - I'm trying to think of an example of who that would actually be? Staunton? Bremner?

Deans 4231 lacked a brilliant CDM (Kamara could be that) then Doug sat alongside him would have been ok. This would have allowed the front four to function (Emi2, Bailey, Watkins, Bert).

But we are now a proper mishmash and also trying to accommodate an underperforming Phil and Ings...

Neither formation has an obvious place for our new captain or Ramsey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2022, 09:34:03 AM
My concern at the moment is other sides are starting to fix their issues (even Everton are trying to plug their gaping midfield and defensive issues). I do think Carlos and Kamara are excellent signings, but our midfield simply doesn't work, we lack pace and have little movement up front. We are 2-3 players in the squad short at the moment of the right quality.
Bailey and Archer together would give us plenty of pace and movement up top. It's not that we don't have pace; it's that SG picks Coutinho above all and plans the tactic around him.
Gerrard been saying  'we need bigger, better quality" after our defeat to Bournemouth.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2022, 09:43:47 AM
I’m surprised we are still relying on either Ollie or Ings when they have struggled for so long for any kind of consistency. I’d really give Archer a chance to shine, what is there to lose?
absolutely nothing.
Say it again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 09:52:08 AM
I’m surprised we are still relying on either Ollie or Ings when they have struggled for so long for any kind of consistency. I’d really give Archer a chance to shine, what is there to lose?
absolutely nothing.
Say it again.

"Overlapping full backs, huh, what are they good for? Absolutely nothing......."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 08, 2022, 10:09:44 AM
I’m surprised we are still relying on either Ollie or Ings when they have struggled for so long for any kind of consistency. I’d really give Archer a chance to shine, what is there to lose?
absolutely nothing.
"say it again"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 08, 2022, 10:16:04 AM
I’m probably One of Keinan Davis biggest fans on here but he gets injured too much and can’t be taken seriously because of it

One of the better runs he had was at Forest but he still got injured in the end
The fans loved him and wanted to sign him but Forest looked elsewhere in my view not because he wasn’t good enough but because he can’t be relied on

He’s the best we have at the club at holding the ball up bullying defenders has a good touch and plays people in with good linkup play but it means nothing if you’re sitting at home with a injury.
I mean he couldn’t even make it through the preseason tour without pulling a hammy, Like I say I think he is a fine footballer but injury prone

Agree with this, watching him at Forest he had a lot to offer but he broke down and in pre-season he did again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 08, 2022, 10:48:43 AM
My concern at the moment is other sides are starting to fix their issues (even Everton are trying to plug their gaping midfield and defensive issues). I do think Carlos and Kamara are excellent signings, but our midfield simply doesn't work, we lack pace and have little movement up front. We are 2-3 players in the squad short at the moment of the right quality.
Bailey and Archer together would give us plenty of pace and movement up top. It's not that we don't have pace; it's that SG picks Coutinho above all and plans the tactic around him.
Gerrard been saying  'we need bigger, better quality" after our defeat to Bournemouth.

It's the standard refrain of the British manager when under pressure. Not another cent he should be allowed spend without improving the group he already has.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2022, 10:55:50 AM
The idea that picking Coutinho means you can’t use pace is nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 08, 2022, 11:01:46 AM
The idea that picking Coutinho means you can’t use pace is nonsense.
True, and I didn't mean my earlier comment to sound that way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 08, 2022, 11:20:04 AM
I've said it before but I can see Coutinho dropping deeper and more so as he ages. Not sure how that fits with Gerrard's tactics though.

Gerrard may have no choice but to modify his tactics and there may have been signs of that in pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2022, 12:10:38 PM
Linked with Ross Barkley and still no fucking strikers today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 08, 2022, 12:11:15 PM
I've said it before but I can see Coutinho dropping deeper and more so as he ages. Not sure how that fits with Gerrard's tactics though.

Gerrard may have no choice but to modify his tactics and there may have been signs of that in pre-season.

The only way this works is we buy another 6 and play a double pivot as neither Luis or McGinn are good enough for a top half team as they both flatter to deceive and McGinn being captain is a joke!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2022, 12:14:26 PM
Linked with Ross Barkley and still no fucking strikers today.

Christ, if he comes back here I think I'll switch to following Walsall.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 08, 2022, 12:24:31 PM
Due to SG system we're going to miss out on Mikkel Damsgaard, Maxwell Cornet, Dwight McNeill all players who would provide attacking thrusts and would provide competition for the squad


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 08, 2022, 12:26:26 PM
O’Neil.   - Harewood
Lambert. -  Holt
Bruce.  - Samba
Smith. -  Drinkwater

They’ve all got a ‘ I fucking give up‘ signing in them Barkley would Be another


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 12:28:29 PM
I'm going for a shock deadline day £30m deal for Chris Wood being Gerrard's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 08, 2022, 01:00:56 PM
Due to SG system we're going to miss out on Mikkel Damsgaard, Maxwell Cornet, Dwight McNeill all players who would provide attacking thrusts and would provide competition for the squad
I take it you mean have missed out.
I flagged Cornet but was laughed off the site.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 08, 2022, 01:01:50 PM
Due to SG system we're going to miss out on Mikkel Damsgaard, Maxwell Cornet, Dwight McNeill all players who would provide attacking thrusts and would provide competition for the squad
I take it you mean have missed out.
I flagged Cornet but was laughed off the site.

He's too flakey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 01:07:27 PM
Dwight McNeill, a winger who scored no goals last season and had one solitary assist all year. Yes, I'm devastatedl at the thought that nasty Steven Gerrard has made us miss out on him. Won't somebody think of the children? Damsgaard spent most of last season out with arthritis, and scored two goals the season before that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 08, 2022, 01:07:40 PM
It's a mess of two different manager's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.

In Gerrard's set up we need a striker and very mobile central midfielders who can cover the fullbacks. Neither Ramsey or McGinn are that type of player - I'm trying to think of an example of who that would actually be? Staunton? Bremner?

Deans 4231 lacked a brilliant CDM (Kamara could be that) then Doug sat alongside him would have been ok. This would have allowed the front four to function (Emi2, Bailey, Watkins, Bert).

But we are now a proper mishmash and also trying to accommodate an underperforming Phil and Ings...

Neither formation has an obvious place for our new captain or Ramsey.

Mish-mash is a succinct summary at the moment. No-one, including seemingly Gerrard, has a clear idea of our best first 11 or our identity at the moment. We’ve been pretty shapeless and disjointed for most of this year.

It feels like Gerrard needs to stumble on something that works as you don’t feel he has the nous to work it out for himself at the moment. It needs to happen for him quickly or I fear we are going to be at the arse end of the table again by September.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 08, 2022, 01:08:12 PM
I'm going for a shock deadline day £30m deal for Chris Wood being Gerrard's.

I don't think we will even sign a striker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
I'd say Ramsey is more than mobile enough, he's just a young player having a dip in form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2022, 01:14:11 PM
I flagged Cornet but was laughed off the site.

So it wasn't just one Cornet No?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2022, 01:21:35 PM
I flagged Cornet but was laughed off the site.

So it wasn't just one Cornet No?

No, it was ninety-nine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2022, 01:58:49 PM
I think we're in danger of addrssing the wrong problem here. Coutinho is a world class player, Bailey has the pace and ability to hurt teams, Ramsey can drive through midfield and make things happen and between him and  Luiz, Sanson and McGinn we should have the ability to create chances.

We don't because our play is too slow. we dribble passes that barely reach their target and often mean the player has a man on him as he takes his first touch, when our players run in behind we either ignore them or play the pass so late that the defence has an age to step up and play the offside. We're predictable not because teams know what we're going to do before the game starts but because we telegraph everything and most of our players take 3-4 touches when 1-2 would be enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 02:07:49 PM
I think we're in danger of addrssing the wrong problem here. Coutinho is a world class player, Bailey has the pace and ability to hurt teams, Ramsey can drive through midfield and make things happen and between him and  Luiz, Sanson and McGinn we should have the ability to create chances.

We don't because our play is too slow. we dribble passes that barely reach their target and often mean the player has a man on him as he takes his first touch, when our players run in behind we either ignore them or play the pass so late that the defence has an age to step up and play the offside. We're predictable not because teams know what we're going to do before the game starts but because we telegraph everything and most of our players take 3-4 touches when 1-2 would be enough.

I watched the highlights of the home game against Spurs again the other day, and our general play was an utter joy to watch. Ramsey was taking the piss out of them, and our movement and passing were all of the very highest order. Son being world class was the main difference, well that and Konsa having a shocker and Danny Ings being Danny Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2022, 02:13:19 PM
You replace McGinn and Ings with 2 bigger, faster, stronger, better players we would improve no end.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 02:16:41 PM
You replace McGinn and Ings with 2 bigger, faster, stronger, better players we would improve no end.

Undoubtedly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2022, 02:17:21 PM
It's a mess of two different manager's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.

In Gerrard's set up we need a striker and very mobile central midfielders who can cover the fullbacks. Neither Ramsey or McGinn are that type of player - I'm trying to think of an example of who that would actually be? Staunton? Bremner?

Deans 4231 lacked a brilliant CDM (Kamara could be that) then Doug sat alongside him would have been ok. This would have allowed the front four to function (Emi2, Bailey, Watkins, Bert).

But we are now a proper mishmash and also trying to accommodate an underperforming Phil and Ings...

Neither formation has an obvious place for our new captain or Ramsey.

Mish-mash is a succinct summary at the moment. No-one, including seemingly Gerrard, has a clear idea of our best first 11 or our identity at the moment. We’ve been pretty shapeless and disjointed for most of this year.

It feels like Gerrard needs to stumble on something that works as you don’t feel he has the nous to work it out for himself at the moment. It needs to happen for him quickly or I fear we are going to be at the arse end of the table again by September.

If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by it's 'a mess of two different manager's Assistant Head Coach's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.' We appear to have completely abandoned Beale's attacking wing backs in favour of wingers. Gone also are Beale's neat one-twos through the middle, now we have Critchley's lob it into the box from the wings.

Defensively we seem to have given up on zonal marking at corners and free kicks in favour of man marking. I've never been a fan of zonal marking but my god the confusion on Saturday as we tried to man mark Bournemouth was anarchy. If this is SG's idea of 'identity' we're the new punks of the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 08, 2022, 02:19:11 PM
How do you get Ramsey, SJM, Phil and EMi2 in the same team and have a decent balance - I can't see it, but that's what he s trying to do.

SJM and Ramsey might work if we had proper wide players (Kamara holding) and not rely on full-backs for width. They both have an eye for goal and arriving late around a focal point striker could work - however no place for Phil or Emi2.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2022, 02:21:18 PM
It's a mess of two different manager's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.

In Gerrard's set up we need a striker and very mobile central midfielders who can cover the fullbacks. Neither Ramsey or McGinn are that type of player - I'm trying to think of an example of who that would actually be? Staunton? Bremner?

Deans 4231 lacked a brilliant CDM (Kamara could be that) then Doug sat alongside him would have been ok. This would have allowed the front four to function (Emi2, Bailey, Watkins, Bert).

But we are now a proper mishmash and also trying to accommodate an underperforming Phil and Ings...

Neither formation has an obvious place for our new captain or Ramsey.

Mish-mash is a succinct summary at the moment. No-one, including seemingly Gerrard, has a clear idea of our best first 11 or our identity at the moment. We’ve been pretty shapeless and disjointed for most of this year.

It feels like Gerrard needs to stumble on something that works as you don’t feel he has the nous to work it out for himself at the moment. It needs to happen for him quickly or I fear we are going to be at the arse end of the table again by September.

If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by it's 'a mess of two different manager's Assistant Head Coach's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.' We appear to have completely abandoned Beale's attacking wing backs in favour of wingers. Gone also are Beale's neat one-twos through the middle, now we have Critchley's lob it into the box from the wings.

Defensively we seem to have given up on zonal marking at corners and free kicks in favour of man marking. I've never been a fan of zonal marking but my god the confusion on Saturday as we tried to man mark Bournemouth was anarchy. If this is SG's idea of 'identity' we're the new punks of the PL.

Bloody hell, it's one game. And corners will still be the preserve of that idiot MacPhee, of that I'm certain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2022, 02:23:07 PM
I think we're in danger of addrssing the wrong problem here. Coutinho is a world class player, Bailey has the pace and ability to hurt teams, Ramsey can drive through midfield and make things happen and between him and  Luiz, Sanson and McGinn we should have the ability to create chances.

We don't because our play is too slow. we dribble passes that barely reach their target and often mean the player has a man on him as he takes his first touch, when our players run in behind we either ignore them or play the pass so late that the defence has an age to step up and play the offside. We're predictable not because teams know what we're going to do before the game starts but because we telegraph everything and most of our players take 3-4 touches when 1-2 would be enough.

I watched the highlights of the home game against Spurs again the other day, and our general play was an utter joy to watch. Ramsey was taking the piss out of them, and our movement and passing were all of the very highest order. Son being world class was the main difference, well that and Konsa having a shocker and Danny Ings being Danny Ings.

Absolutely, and that game was the one where our tempo was spot on, I can only think the undeserved battering had an impact. Right now I'm hoping that the weekend was just us not going up a gear from pre-season and that we'll add a bit more zip soon but I'm still worried about how wide Ramsey and McGinn go if Kamara is going back into the defence as often as he did. We either cover behind the fll backs or we defend as a 3 when they bomb on, doing both is effecitvely turning us into a completely unbalanced 541 where the 4 are all ahead of the ball with a huge gap back to the 5. Add in how slow we are and we're effectively cuttin gour team in half and forcing ourselves to go over or around teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2022, 02:46:23 PM
Bloody hell, it's one game. And corners will still be the preserve of that idiot MacPhee, of that I'm certain.

I appreciate it's one game, hence the 'If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by..' but the concern remains. I also very much doubt MacPhee was the one to decide the switch from zonal to man marking on corners. I wonder if one of our subbed players was given the job to man mark Kieffer Moore at corners and no instruction was given to the oncoming player? Whatever happened it was a mess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 08, 2022, 02:54:27 PM
Bloody hell, it's one game. And corners will still be the preserve of that idiot MacPhee, of that I'm certain.

I appreciate it's one game, hence the 'If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by..' but the concern remains. I also very much doubt MacPhee was the one to decide the switch from zonal to man marking on corners. I wonder if one of our subbed players was given the job to man mark Kieffer Moore at corners and no instruction was given to the oncoming player? Whatever happened it was a mess.

I think a big part of th eproblem with corners on sat is that Mings and Chambers are the 2 best options in the squad for defending them and we left both on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2022, 02:59:26 PM
And yet Gerrard said we didn't lose cos of who wasn't playing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2022, 03:00:41 PM
Bloody hell, it's one game. And corners will still be the preserve of that idiot MacPhee, of that I'm certain.

I appreciate it's one game, hence the 'If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by..' but the concern remains. I also very much doubt MacPhee was the one to decide the switch from zonal to man marking on corners. I wonder if one of our subbed players was given the job to man mark Kieffer Moore at corners and no instruction was given to the oncoming player? Whatever happened it was a mess.

I think a big part of th eproblem with corners on sat is that Mings and Chambers are the 2 best options in the squad for defending them and we left both on the bench.

Not sure about Mings, Paul, for all his strengths he's normally standing on the edge of the six yard box in the middle marking nobody at corners. Maybe he'd have marshalled the defence better though as nobody was picking up Moore.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 08, 2022, 04:53:16 PM
Bloody hell, it's one game. And corners will still be the preserve of that idiot MacPhee, of that I'm certain.

I appreciate it's one game, hence the 'If Saturday and pre-season are anything to go by..' but the concern remains. I also very much doubt MacPhee was the one to decide the switch from zonal to man marking on corners. I wonder if one of our subbed players was given the job to man mark Kieffer Moore at corners and no instruction was given to the oncoming player? Whatever happened it was a mess.

I think a big part of th eproblem with corners on sat is that Mings and Chambers are the 2 best options in the squad for defending them and we left both on the bench.

Not sure about Mings, Paul, for all his strengths he's normally standing on the edge of the six yard box in the middle marking nobody at corners. Maybe he'd have marshalled the defence better though as nobody was picking up Moore.

And he's then the one throwing himself at the second ball, blocking shots etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 08, 2022, 05:06:51 PM
True but I'd prefer there was no second ball to block. Now you've just reminded me of their first goal and the comedy defending.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2022, 05:37:26 PM
True but I'd prefer there was no second ball to block. Now you've just reminded me of their first goal and the comedy defending.

I thought the second one was much worse.

I actually laughed. That's all you can really do when presented with brainlessness like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 08, 2022, 05:59:50 PM
The 2nd should never ever happen at this level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 08, 2022, 06:03:22 PM
How do you get Ramsey, SJM, Phil and EMi2 in the same team and have a decent balance - I can't see it, but that's what he s trying to do.

SJM and Ramsey might work if we had proper wide players (Kamara holding) and not rely on full-backs for width. They both have an eye for goal and arriving late around a focal point striker could work - however no place for Phil or Emi2.
I think Emi2 could play wide - that were he played for Norwich.  Phil can’t - which basically limits us.

I think given what we have and the fact we will basically always play McGinn and Phil are best bet is going to be a diamond with 2 up front - maybe Davis and Ings or try Bailey.  And maybe a new CF

I’m not saying that’s our best line u0 but that’s how we could get the best out of Phil and accommodate SJM

Otherwise I would be tempted to play a Dean Smith line up with Bailey and Emi2 as the wide man and no Phil
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 08, 2022, 09:00:03 PM
If Ings is to play, it ought to be with another strike partner and it ought to be Archer. If Ollie plays, he needs Coutinho and Emi in the side to feed the diagonal or channel ball.

Realistically I'd jettison Ings and buy the 2022 Benteke. If we had somebody in the box who could turn a percentage ball into something or make it stick with their back to goal, we'd improve no end.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2022, 09:32:37 PM
Who's the 2020s Bentekay though ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Concrete Tom on August 08, 2022, 11:32:32 PM
Would anyone take Ampadu from Chelsea? Seemingly surplus to requirements and always looks solid for Wales.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 08, 2022, 11:36:51 PM
Would anyone take Ampadu from Chelsea? Seemingly surplus to requirements and always looks solid for Wales.

Looked good but haven't seen how he's developed over the last couple of seasons but a definite no if we're planning to use Black Lace for his song.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 08, 2022, 11:48:46 PM
Isn't he a centre-back? We already have five of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2022, 12:56:13 AM
Isn't he a centre-back? We already have five of them.

Been playing centre half for Wales recently, but is a defensive midfielder.  We've just got Kamara in and have Nakamba and Iroegbunam as cover in that position. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2022, 01:12:49 AM
It's a mess of two different manager's styles at the moment and it needs to be addressed.

In Gerrard's set up we need a striker and very mobile central midfielders who can cover the fullbacks. Neither Ramsey or McGinn are that type of player - I'm trying to think of an example of who that would actually be? Staunton? Bremner?

Deans 4231 lacked a brilliant CDM (Kamara could be that) then Doug sat alongside him would have been ok. This would have allowed the front four to function (Emi2, Bailey, Watkins, Bert).

But we are now a proper mishmash and also trying to accommodate an underperforming Phil and Ings...

Neither formation has an obvious place for our new captain or Ramsey.

Mish-mash is a succinct summary at the moment. No-one, including seemingly Gerrard, has a clear idea of our best first 11 or our identity at the moment. We’ve been pretty shapeless and disjointed for most of this year.

It feels like Gerrard needs to stumble on something that works as you don’t feel he has the nous to work it out for himself at the moment. It needs to happen for him quickly or I fear we are going to be at the arse end of the table again by September.

Agree with this really.  Whichever way we set up our attacking formation, we have players who don't really fit in to that style.  If we play with two up front with Coutinho in behind, it doesn't really suit Ings and Watkins as they haven't really got the quality needed when they drift into wider areas.

That means you would then probably have to look at one of them playing up front with Coutinho behind them, but then we probably haven't got the wide players needed to play week-in, week-out in the Premier League.  Bailey, Buendia, Traore and Coutinho have quality, but aren't going to offer the work rate up and down the pitch that a team in our position needs. 

The midfield shape hasn't really worked for sometime and it's questionable whether McGinn and Ramsey are best utilised dropping into deeper positions.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 08:14:46 AM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 09, 2022, 08:27:22 AM
How to improve defending at corners? Have 11 players on the pitch not 10 on the pitch and one adjusting his jewelry on the touchline?

We need to make out passing and movement sharper and quicker.

And why are there no decent links to players that will improve us? (although I am glad we are not like Manure and panic buying any rubbish because of a poor result)

We should test Leicester out for Ndidi or the other lad Mendy? There must be someone decent somewhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 08:28:30 AM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2022, 08:34:14 AM
How to improve defending at corners? Have 11 players on the pitch not 10 on the pitch and one adjusting his jewelry on the touchline?

We need to make out passing and movement sharper and quicker.

And why are there no decent links to players that will improve us? (although I am glad we are not like Manure and panic buying any rubbish because of a poor result)

We should test Leicester out for Ndidi or the other lad Mendy? There must be someone decent somewhere?

He was on the pitch for the corner.

Yep quicker play for sure. We're ponderous.

Kamara, Carlos, Coutinho, Olsen are improvements, we did our main business early.

We are still looking for a midfielder according to Gerrard, and a striker according to media.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2022, 08:34:18 AM
Would anyone take Ampadu from Chelsea? Seemingly surplus to requirements and always looks solid for Wales.

He's rubbish, woeful at Sheffield United.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 08:43:25 AM
Would anyone take Ampadu from Chelsea? Seemingly surplus to requirements and always looks solid for Wales.

He's rubbish, woeful at Sheffield United.
Good at kicking people.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 08:52:51 AM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 09, 2022, 08:59:57 AM
I hope we sign someone else before the window closes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2022, 09:08:05 AM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.

I think you are probs lay right it’s not a ‘popular’ opinion…we lost a game! Wait till the window shuts at least before judging business.

Comparison to Forest is ridiculous, we were there the summer we came up….long in the past.  The clubs you mention are all buying in dribs and drabs and will continue till window closes as will we.

As for Europe, it’s a very even league below the top 5 and any of the teams is capable of finishing 6th/7th or having a Cup run. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 09:42:07 AM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.

I think you are probs lay right it’s not a ‘popular’ opinion…we lost a game! Wait till the window shuts at least before judging business.

Comparison to Forest is ridiculous, we were there the summer we came up….long in the past.  The clubs you mention are all buying in dribs and drabs and will continue till window closes as will we.

As for Europe, it’s a very even league below the top 5 and any of the teams is capable of finishing 6th/7th or having a Cup run. 




It's something I've been thinking about since last summer not just after Saturday. The eye opener for me as I mentioned was watching the direction us and arsenal have gone in since our reported interest in ESR. There was a lot of "Arsenal is a team we can catch" and then as history has proved time and time again we miss the boat. We've never stump up the cash, we've always been that 1 player short. The forest comparison isn't a ridiculous one because there is a very good chance, having just finished 14th that we'll be in the same bracket of teams as them, especially if they continue to invest by bidding £42 million for players. I said I'm grateful to the owners, which i am but let's not make out like they wouldn't get their money back if they sold the club tomorrow, so what they have put in isn't lost money. If they aren't going to put the funds up that's needed and let's be honest £300 million would only give us a fighting chance, stop spouting about Europe like the CEO had, stop spouting about making us one of the biggest clubs in the world like one of the owners have and be realistic. If we continue the way we are, people won't buy in to it (not saying me, I'll be going whatever) they will realise it's 8th that's still our ceiling at best and this waiting list stuff will stop. That's what I forecast and I think it's got more chance of happening than some sort of champions league dream I've been hearing about for 30 years, unless we sort the model.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 09, 2022, 09:49:36 AM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2022, 10:01:30 AM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.
Yeah - I think this is it.  We had a plan, that from what I can be arsed to read was similar to what Wes did in Basketball and build around a "megastar"

I think the ambition is there - we just wont through silly money at things.  Rightly or Wrongly.

The new plan seems to be to use SG fame to let us get better players - unfortunately any benefits that has brought us have more than cancelled out by his failure to make the team look good for more than the odd 30 min spells.

I think the fact we havent brought in more players is because we havent been able to find ones that are a clear upgrade on what we have - in the Digne / Kamara kind of way.

If were 100% honest, the best investment the owners could make is to bring in a real proven coach. If I was them I would be talking to Poch and seeing if there is anything we could do to get him to come. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2022, 10:20:57 AM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 09, 2022, 10:23:50 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on August 09, 2022, 10:25:52 AM

If were 100% honest, the best investment the owners could make is to bring in a real proven coach. If I was them I would be talking to Poch and seeing if there is anything we could do to get him to come. 

This for me, the one quality PL player of recent times who I think might make it as a top manager/coach is Viera, not Gerrard or Lampard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 10:50:22 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.
Giggles  :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 10:54:08 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.

I disagree with bit in bold but it's too funny.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2022, 10:58:28 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.

I disagree with bit in bold but it's too funny.


I agree with it AND found it very funny!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2022, 11:22:03 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.
Giggles  :)

Good winger in his day but past it now and was up in court yesterday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 11:25:46 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.
Giggles  :)

Good winger in his day but past it now and was up in court yesterday.
His first touch an elbow, followed up by a headbutt allegedly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2022, 11:26:47 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purchases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.

Every team looks for a top notch striker but for starters there aren't many out there for mid table clubs. More important is how any player fits with the overall style of play. Ronaldo's stats last season were very good but he ruined every other attacking player they had and destroyed the team morale. Man City won a league without a striker.

The first two were useless fair enough, Ings is the classic big name but poorly scouted signing. Watkins was more than fine running onto play from Grealish but whether he fits what Gerrard seems to want is open to question. At this stage, I'd be happy to go until January with Watkins, Archer and Davis. If Forest or someone else come back in for Davis then maybe we could look at getting in a decent hold up striker instead. Ings is done and we should be making every effort to move him on. The likes of Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey, Ramsey et al are all capable of scoring and creating. Just need to get a lot better balance behind them in midfield.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on August 09, 2022, 11:32:27 AM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.

I disagree with bit in bold but it's too funny.


I agree with it AND found it very funny!

Quality!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2022, 12:37:23 PM
I'd be buying a top notch striker. It's a simple game football. Score more goals and you'll generally do better. So far our striker purcases have been a lump from Brazil, a truly hopeless case from Tanzania, a Championship trier with the first touch of a medieval trebuchet and Grandpa Ings. Thick end of £90m on that little lot.

I disagree with bit in bold but it's too funny.

Make me chuckle.

But yes, Ings was a bloody good player for Southampton, still technically in his 20s so a good purchase, Watkins was the Championship player of the year. Overall they've not quite hit the heights so far but you never know. They've had their moments, Watkins more than a few.

I will agree that Samatta and Wesley must have been scouted by someone who had drunk 10 pints and forgot to put his contacts in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 09, 2022, 12:53:21 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 09, 2022, 01:25:20 PM
Quote
If I was them I would be talking to Poch and seeing if there is anything we could do to get him to come

I really do not get this fascination with him - what has he ever won?

He made Southampton a little better than awful
He turned the famous "Bridesmaid never the Bride" Spurs into exactly that
He had Mbappe, Neymar, Ramos and then even Messi and still could not win the European cup

Another Emperors new clothes Manager like Bielsa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 09, 2022, 01:29:18 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....

The same player that tried to leave twice previously before then? Very risky strategy to build the club's fortunes around such a player, remember Purslow assured us last summer that it was something they had always planned for.

In terms of rattling cages, I think Jan 2021 was the last time I felt we were on the right track. We lost 2-1 at Old Trafford but I thought we played them off the park for a lot of that game. Grealish got injured soon after and we only picked it up once he returned. That was worrying even back then that the rest of them couldn't cope. Konsa, McGinn, Luiz, Watkins have all regressed as players since too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2022, 01:50:58 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....
He didn't fuck us over.  He left for a British record transfer fee after contributing more to the club than any other individual player probably since 1982*.  His legacy was promotion to and survival in the PL and a transfer pot that would protect us from FFP for 3 seasons or more.   

*I know people will say McGrath, Taylor etc but their achievements were more of a team effort and in my opinion not as important to the club as re-establishing ourselves in the PL at a time when the money gap was widening so fast there was a danger of being cut adrift for a long time.  Our promotion wining and PL surviving team were as close to a 'one man team' as you can get.  I think one player who comes close would be Benteke, as he proabably saved us from relegation for two seasons, but really only delayed the inevitable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 09, 2022, 03:10:13 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....
He didn't fuck us over.  He left for a British record transfer fee after contributing more to the club than any other individual player probably since 1982*.  His legacy was promotion to and survival in the PL and a transfer pot that would protect us from FFP for 3 seasons or more.   

*I know people will say McGrath, Taylor etc but their achievements were more of a team effort and in my opinion not as important to the club as re-establishing ourselves in the PL at a time when the money gap was widening so fast there was a danger of being cut adrift for a long time.  Our promotion wining and PL surviving team were as close to a 'one man team' as you can get.  I think one player who comes close would be Benteke, as he proabably saved us from relegation for two seasons, but really only delayed the inevitable.
He is still a twat
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2022, 03:11:40 PM
Well yeah, I'll give you that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 09, 2022, 03:29:16 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....

The same player that tried to leave twice previously before then? Very risky strategy to build the club's fortunes around such a player, remember Purslow assured us last summer that it was something they had always planned for.

In terms of rattling cages, I think Jan 2021 was the last time I felt we were on the right track. We lost 2-1 at Old Trafford but I thought we played them off the park for a lot of that game. Grealish got injured soon after and we only picked it up once he returned. That was worrying even back then that the rest of them couldn't cope. Konsa, McGinn, Luiz, Watkins have all regressed as players since too.

The last time I felt we were on the right track was 1 minute to 3.00 last Saturday
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 09, 2022, 04:21:01 PM
Yeah, in June 2021 things looked really rosy. In August 2022 we have failed to match that.

However, I blame Joe Grealish, not the owners. Grealish is the one who torpedoes our ambitions by failing to buy into the project and shitting all over the club. £100 m aside, that was a major psychological blow as it went to the heart of what we have been building since we got promoted.

AVFC surely is bigger than one (former) player?

I'd agree we haven't remotely recovered from losing him but that's hardly the fault of Joe G.

We built our recovery around him. We built the new villa around him. He fucked us over. If you can't see the difference between June 2021, when we were rattling a few cages and looking to add to a growing team, and what has transpired since last August then....
He didn't fuck us over.  He left for a British record transfer fee after contributing more to the club than any other individual player probably since 1982*.  His legacy was promotion to and survival in the PL and a transfer pot that would protect us from FFP for 3 seasons or more.   

*I know people will say McGrath, Taylor etc but their achievements were more of a team effort and in my opinion not as important to the club as re-establishing ourselves in the PL at a time when the money gap was widening so fast there was a danger of being cut adrift for a long time.  Our promotion wining and PL surviving team were as close to a 'one man team' as you can get.  I think one player who comes close would be Benteke, as he proabably saved us from relegation for two seasons, but really only delayed the inevitable.

He did. We were seriously on course at the end of 2020-21. Him wanting out was a hammer blow, and he is a supposed villa fan.

It was like Yorke in 1998- or Barry in 2009 only it was 'one of our own' and at a time when we were trying to buy players from An Arsenal in disarray and we had a chance to capitalize. Arsenal got their act together, Grealish fucked off and here we are wondering if we have a toxic dressing room again and a manager out of his depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 09, 2022, 04:33:48 PM
I'd be buying a top notch striker.

I think you are right. Ings was a panic buy to soften the blow of Ratboy leaving, the club need to own that mistake and move on, even if it means a massive hit on the transfer fee and us still paying some of his wages when he leaves. Watkins may still improve but we can't gamble on that now, and he will still have a decent resale value if an offer comes in. Not having a top class striker might be Gerrard's only valid excuse left in my book so let's take that one away and see what happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 09, 2022, 04:57:31 PM
He did. We were seriously on course at the end of 2020-21. Him wanting out was a hammer blow, and he is a supposed villa fan.

It was like Yorke in 1998- or Barry in 2009 only it was 'one of our own' and at a time when we were trying to buy players from An Arsenal in disarray and we had a chance to capitalize. Arsenal got their act together, Grealish fucked off and here we are wondering if we have a toxic dressing room again and a manager out of his depth.
The club knew he wanted to leave for ages.  After hauling us up by the scruff of our necks and then keeping us up he gave us a parting gift of £100m.  That we couldn't capitalise on this is down to Purslow, Lange, Smith and Gerrard.  Other teams lose top players and move on.  We needed to do the same.  We have to some extent in that we are a solid mid table team in no danger of relegation and have only spent a net £17m over two seasons.  We're in a great position to kick on, largely because of Jack.  It's now down to Purslow, Lange and Gerrard to grab this opportunity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on August 09, 2022, 05:08:54 PM
He did. We were seriously on course at the end of 2020-21. Him wanting out was a hammer blow, and he is a supposed villa fan.

It was like Yorke in 1998- or Barry in 2009 only it was 'one of our own' and at a time when we were trying to buy players from An Arsenal in disarray and we had a chance to capitalize. Arsenal got their act together, Grealish fucked off and here we are wondering if we have a toxic dressing room again and a manager out of his depth.
The club knew he wanted to leave for ages.  After hauling us up by the scruff of our necks and then keeping us up he gave us a parting gift of £100m.  That we couldn't capitalise on this is down to Purslow, Lange, Smith and Gerrard.  Other teams lose top players and move on.  We needed to do the same.  We have to some extent in that we are a solid mid table team in no danger of relegation and have only spent a net £17m over two seasons.  We're in a great position to kick on, largely because of Jack.  It's now down to Purslow, Lange and Gerrard to grab this opportunity.

I can't help but think there's a flaw in this somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2022, 05:11:23 PM
In moving on, we have regressed.

Like you say its down to NSWE, Purslow, SG and Lange to put this right, but if you compare all this to where we thought we were heading at the end of 20/21 it is a sharp come down.

It appears we are a well run lower middle table team, which is fine - but its not what we keep saying we are
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 05:21:10 PM
In moving on, we have regressed.

Like you say its down to NSWE, Purslow, SG and Lange to put this right, but if you compare all this to where we thought we were heading at the end of 20/21 it is a sharp come down.

It appears we are a well run lower middle table team, which is fine - but its not what we keep saying we are



Absolutely, which os the point I was trying to make.  We can't make big boy statements and not back it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 09, 2022, 05:42:45 PM
Surely Purslow understands that you have to get the team on the pitch sorted first?  If we move up in capacity as planned to around 55,000 fans, will they really want to come and watch a mid to lower table side? 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2022, 05:45:45 PM
I think some of the issue is they, like us arent 100% sure what the issue is.

Is it the manager, or does he need more time
Are the players not good enough, or is it a balance/form issue
Which players could we get that would make a impact

Its clearly a mixture of the abive, but I think the between the "three wise men" is the squad is pretty much good enough for top half minium, and adding anything is a bonus

Which suggests the most likely outcome is giving it time, and maybe 1 or 2 more in to help balance the team
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 05:50:46 PM
We need someone in the middle of the park who is highly mobile, carries some size to him and can put his foot in. Bissouma would have been perfect. Someone to take the place of McGinn, who's shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 09, 2022, 05:54:43 PM
We need someone in the middle of the park who is highly mobile, carries some size to him and can put his foot in. Bissouma would have been perfect. Someone to take the place of McGinn, who's shite.

Ha ha, that made me laugh a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 09, 2022, 06:06:23 PM
We need someone in the middle of the park who is highly mobile, carries some size to him and can put his foot in. Bissouma would have been perfect. Someone to take the place of McGinn, who's shite.

..and Sangare who just penned another 5 years at PSV.

Moreover, I don't think McGinn is shit but certainly needs to be better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 06:08:00 PM
He's fucking rubbish, doesn't score, doesn't assist, isn't quick and isn't good in the air. Call me old fashioned, but what does he do well? Terrorise made up countries for Scotland?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 09, 2022, 06:08:21 PM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chap on August 09, 2022, 06:10:58 PM
Sad, but true🙁🙁
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 09, 2022, 06:44:25 PM
I think some of the issue is they, like us arent 100% sure what the issue is.

If they’re not then they should be. If this is the case it’s more of a worry than any of the other current issues.
Also, if FFP permits it we need to spend a bit before the end of the month.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 06:53:01 PM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.



You are seriously questioning the owners investment to the point of asking 'what are those two doing? Wow. How spoilt are some of our fans?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 06:57:26 PM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.



You are seriously questioning the owners investment to the point of asking 'what are those two doing? Wow. How spoilt are some of our fans?



I'm assuming that you only read the part you wanted to read and completely missed the part where I said "I'm not ungrateful" and "it's only against the expectations they're setting"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.



You are seriously questioning the owners investment to the point of asking 'what are those two doing? Wow. How spoilt are some of our fans?



And being a villa fan for 30 years? Yeah, I've been really spoilt I have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2022, 06:59:35 PM
I think some of the issue is they, like us arent 100% sure what the issue is.

Is it the manager, or does he need more time
Are the players not good enough, or is it a balance/form issue
Which players could we get that would make a impact

Its clearly a mixture of the abive, but I think the between the "three wise men" is the squad is pretty much good enough for top half minium, and adding anything is a bonus

Which suggests the most likely outcome is giving it time, and maybe 1 or 2 more in to help balance the team

We’re not getting the best out of the players we have at present. That’s probably the most immediate issue IMO.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.



You are seriously questioning the owners investment to the point of asking 'what are those two doing? Wow. How spoilt are some of our fans?



And being a villa fan for 30 years? Yeah, I've been really spoilt I have.

Then you should appreciate what they are trying to do instead of accusing them of spouting rubbish and 'chucking. A few quid about'. Ridiclous.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 07:08:57 PM
While we're sat on our thumbs, spending a net spend of about £20 million across the last 3 windows, forest are having £42 million bids rejected.

How many of the players that Forest have bought would you have wanted for us?

On the basis of Saturday all of them. My point was forests proactive approach with investment. I've mentioned this many a time and the hearing of forest putting in bids like that, without having to sell, has really annoyed me. This isn't and won't be a popular opinion but just what are the two at the top doing? Last summer, we had just finished close to arsenal and they spend £130 million net and we mess about selling grealish, chuck the money around and end the window with a saving of £15 million. We chuck a few quid about January granted but I think that was only to keep the new manager sweet and so far this window we've spent about £8 million. This isn't going to cut it for the expectations THEY have set when you have clubs like west ham, Newcastle, wolves and the rest above us actually getting better. They aren't investing, they're trading, might as well call them Rodney and Del boy. This isn't some ungrateful post, I appreciate what they done for the club but don't go round spouting the rubbish they been saying about Europe, getting peoples hopes up if you're going to get off the pot. They're great at talking a good game, I'll give all three of them that.



You are seriously questioning the owners investment to the point of asking 'what are those two doing? Wow. How spoilt are some of our fans?



And being a villa fan for 30 years? Yeah, I've been really spoilt I have.

Then you should appreciate what they are trying to do instead of accusing them of spouting rubbish and 'chucking. A few quid about'. Ridiclous.

I think ots ridiculous spouting rubbish like "We should be going for Europe" and "We want to become one of the biggest clubs in the world" with a net spend of -£15 million last summer and £8 million this summer. But that doesn't suit you does it, despite all the evidence indicating you need to spend to achieve. Pathetic
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 07:11:10 PM
Richiethespoiltholteender.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 07:12:53 PM
Richiethespoiltholteender.




Yes grumpy?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 07:16:59 PM
Says the man moaning at our spending and being jealous of Nottingham Forest. Hmm. I'll leave it there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 09, 2022, 07:20:04 PM
Says the man moaning at our spending and being jealous of Nottingham Forest. Hmm. I'll leave it there.



I should. Wouldn't want to show yourself up anymore following you great thsn though attitude towards somebody who dares have a difference of opinion. Don't let fence still too far up your arse. Have a good night.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 09, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
Fucks sake kids, please just go to bed early or something
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 09, 2022, 07:22:53 PM
It's the heat
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 09, 2022, 07:26:11 PM
Pack it in both of you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 07:33:20 PM
Apologies Dave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2022, 08:13:27 PM
Could it not be more a case that the money is there, but is being kept for more elite signings rather than buying players that aren’t going to take us any further than where we are? With potential well scouted but not interested more cut price alternatives not available also.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 09, 2022, 08:16:17 PM
It isn't going to take an elite signing to replace John McGinn.

Not that I disagree with your point btw.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 09, 2022, 08:18:03 PM
Could it not be more a case that the money is there, but is being kept for more elite signings rather than buying players that aren’t going to take us any further than where we are? With potential well scouted but not interested more cut price alternatives not available also.
I think this is it - I think Newcastle have struggled in a similar way. 

The only issue is the only way out of this cycle is either to take a risk on up and coming or bring enough success with what you’ve got to bring people in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 09, 2022, 08:19:28 PM
Could it not be more a case that the money is there, but is being kept for more elite signings rather than buying players that aren’t going to take us any further than where we are? With potential well scouted but not interested more cut price alternatives not available also.

I would like to think that we have some competence regarding incoming transfers now. Getting Kamara on a free and locking up Coutinho for a very reasonable price shouldn't count as "not investing. Kamara was rated at 40m+ just a year ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 09, 2022, 08:24:20 PM
It isn't going to take an elite signing to replace John McGinn.

Not that I disagree with your point btw.

There have been players that I would consider would definitely improve us who have gone relatively cheaply this summer...but they’ve gone to your PSG’s, Roma’s, etc. And others who we probably could get but we’re already stocked/made investments in those areas such as Damsgaard. We also have to accept that for a lot of the players we want, we’re probably their 4th, 5th choice, etc, and they’re only likely to move to us if their higher category of choices are off the table and likely late in the window. There’s still some weeks to go yet and I think the club actually are quite strong on the player recruitment/sale side of things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2022, 09:07:55 PM
Could it not be more a case that the money is there, but is being kept for more elite signings rather than buying players that aren’t going to take us any further than where we are? With potential well scouted but not interested more cut price alternatives not available also.

I think that is on the money, lots of clubs haven’t been as active as expected ie Leicester, Newcastle….think it might be a busy end to the window for a few teams
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2022, 09:23:17 PM
I think that's obviously what is going on. We'll see the CL and EL clubs mostly finish their business soon and then clubs like us will get the final couple we're after.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 09, 2022, 10:29:18 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 09, 2022, 10:38:32 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.

That's about where I am. I would still like us to add a vieira/yaya style midfielder though who can carry the ball out from the back and drive the team up the pitch. I think JJ Ramsey and Tim both have it in them to be that player but need a bit more time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on August 09, 2022, 10:39:20 PM
I'm not particularly bothered about spend levels but we must have a fair amount of FFP headroom with the low net spends of the past 2 to 3 windows currently. That said I'm sure wages will have increased substantially so maybe offsets that somewhat. Think we're in the queue for players after the CL/EL/EC clubs currently, should pick up in the lead in to Bank Holiday.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 09, 2022, 10:40:53 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.

Agree. A very good post.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 09, 2022, 10:46:56 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.

Agree. A very good post.

I would let him get an 8 of real quality before closing the safe. Then give him 10 games. And bin him in 3 knowing me lol
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: avfcdale on August 09, 2022, 11:00:29 PM
Gerrard needs to go in the next 6 weeks or we are back in the old second division
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 09, 2022, 11:23:28 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.

Pretty much where I am with it, but feel that as last season wore on, the need for a bit more quality up front was needed.  As you say though, pretty much every club are on the look out for a quality striker, so the competition will be fierce.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 09, 2022, 11:46:37 PM
Not worried about our transfer activity, I think overall we've signed some excellent players (Coutinho, Olsen, Carlos, Kamara, Augustinsson) for very reasonable fees - it's just that with them all being done early, it's felt like it's been not an active transfer window when, in reality, we've been doing a fair bit of business - and got some decent fees in for Targett and Barney.

Folk were saying that we 'just' needed a DM ... now that we've got one of those we 'just' need to replace McGinn and Ings. What happens if we do that?
It'll be 'just' a better right back, or another midfielder, or a 2nd striker, or whatever. There's not a single club in the country who is anything other than 1 or 2 players off some kind of magic formula.

There has to come a time when you say "no, we've spent enough, now you go out and do something with what you've got". And to be that's now. Gerrard's had 7 new players in the last 2 windows. You've got plenty of talent at your disposal, and a good 50% of the outfield players and now ones you've specifically chosen yourself.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not in the Gerrard out brigade - I'm just also not in to saying that you can bring in the number & quality of players that we've brought in over the past 18 months and not show any forward progression either.

Yep, a win on Sat would help, we need to see where we are after window shuts. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 12:22:13 AM
We've been two players away from being a great side since Gregory wanted Muzzy bleedin' Izzet and...some other half-decent donkey but no more than that.

When are we going to see signs of this squad having been highly-coached and ready to unleash fury on a weekly basis?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2022, 12:47:23 AM
We've been two players away from being a great side since Gregory wanted Muzzy bleedin' Izzet and...some other half-decent donkey but no more than that.

When are we going to see signs of this squad having been highly-coached and ready to unleash fury on a weekly basis?

Agreed, not a cent more for Gerrard. Let him work with what he has and prove that he can make a coherent lot out of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 10, 2022, 01:01:47 AM
Once again some mention the old chestnut. Net spend. Spend is spend and we spent nearly £100M last season to finish 14th, NGE. We have spent a further almost £50M this year. We need to stop this till we see our head coach get a tune out of his current squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2022, 07:19:58 AM
We've been two players away from being a great side since Gregory wanted Muzzy bleedin' Izzet and...some other half-decent donkey but no more than that.

When are we going to see signs of this squad having been highly-coached and ready to unleash fury on a weekly basis?

Agreed, not a cent more for Gerrard. Let him work with what he has and prove that he can make a coherent lot out of them.

I never really understand this attitude - it’s not a binary thing, the squad still needs enhancement regardless of the fact you don’t rate Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on August 10, 2022, 07:43:14 AM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 10, 2022, 07:52:15 AM
Shame Belotti is off to Roma. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2022, 08:11:50 AM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.

5'10" according to Wiki, no thanks. We need somebody to hold the ball up not another Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 10, 2022, 08:16:16 AM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.

5'10" according to Wiki, no thanks. We need somebody to hold the ball up not another Ings.

He is supposed to be very good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. Where his stats falter is in the high press side of his game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 10, 2022, 08:46:55 AM
The way Ings and Watkins are playing I would give Davis and Archer a go as a pair (when Davis is fit)?

People seem to think that it is as easy as stating on here that we should go get him then they arrive the next week. There are many things involved many of which you cannot understand, for example Onana turns down Wet Spam to go to Evertoffees? This is a 20 year old kid who started 11 games last season (costing 33M) choosing a relegation battler over a team in a European Competition and consistently finishing top half in the Prem? Now that defies logic IMO!

 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 10, 2022, 09:02:06 AM
The way Ings and Watkins are playing I would give Davis and Archer a go as a pair (when Davis is fit)?



I've spotted the flaw in your otherwise great plan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 09:03:24 AM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.

5'10" according to Wiki, no thanks. We need somebody to hold the ball up not another Ings.

He even looks a bit like Ings. I can't help thinking he would be like the fella spurs signed that couldn't hit a barn door.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 09:04:15 AM
The way Ings and Watkins are playing I would give Davis and Archer a go as a pair (when Davis is fit)?



I've spotted the flaw in your otherwise great plan.

I actually think Ollie could do with a striker up with him at times. Archer and he might dovetail nicely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2022, 09:04:52 AM
Barcelona still can't sign Lewandowski, loan him with an agreed fee at the end of the season, please. One big signing like that would lift all the gloom.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2022, 09:13:08 AM
A striker would be nice but we need to move the ball through midfield much quicker regardless of who is up front. If that means we need a new signing in there then that has to be the priority.

Fix that and I think all of our attacking players will look better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2022, 09:17:20 AM
Striker is the priority. We have about seventy midfielders, Gerrard needs to start getting the best out of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 10, 2022, 09:24:08 AM
A striker would be nice but we need to move the ball through midfield much quicker regardless of who is up front. If that means we need a new signing in there then that has to be the priority.

Isn't that pretty much what Buendia is for? If he can't get in the side, whose place is this new midfielder taking and why not just put Buendia there?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2022, 10:06:12 AM
A striker would be nice but we need to move the ball through midfield much quicker regardless of who is up front. If that means we need a new signing in there then that has to be the priority.

Isn't that pretty much what Buendia is for? If he can't get in the side, whose place is this new midfielder taking and why not just put Buendia there?

If I'm honest I don't know what Buendia is for. He's a quality player but I don't know what his role in the team is, he's not quick enough to play wide and a bit too small to play as a centre mid which means he's probably best as a 10 but then I want him to be the person benefitting from the quicker play in midfield, not the one instigating it. This is why i quite liked the idea of 2 10s where him and Coutinho both play and alternate who drops a bit deeper.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 10, 2022, 10:22:38 AM
The way Ings and Watkins are playing I would give Davis and Archer a go as a pair (when Davis is fit)?

They could be the new Heskey and Owen!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 10, 2022, 10:24:41 AM
We've been two players away from being a great side since Gregory wanted Muzzy bleedin' Izzet and...some other half-decent donkey but no more than that.

When are we going to see signs of this squad having been highly-coached and ready to unleash fury on a weekly basis?

Agreed, not a cent more for Gerrard. Let him work with what he has and prove that he can make a coherent lot out of them.

I never really understand this attitude - it’s not a binary thing, the squad still needs enhancement regardless of the fact you don’t rate Gerrard.

We have way too many players at the moment for starters, allowing more to come in without departures only extends the new bomb squad.

For where we are, I think talk of replacing Watkins or McGinn with new regular starters is a bit fanciful . Gerrard has already replaced the regulars in the following positions since he came in 3, 5, 6, 10 and is still struggling to show any improvement in the team. The squad is more than good enough for a comfortable top half finish so let's see Gerrard earn his dough with coaching, sensible tactics and player improvement for a change.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 10, 2022, 10:26:43 AM
Any centre forward links? We don't seem in any great rush. Has anyone told them the season starts in early August this season?
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.

5'10" according to Wiki, no thanks. We need somebody to hold the ball up not another Ings.

He is supposed to be very good at holding the ball up and bringing others into play. Where his stats falter is in the high press side of his game.

For me under Gerrard the whole team falter on the High press side of our game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 10, 2022, 10:27:46 AM
We're being linked with Raul de Tomas of Espanyol. Scored 17 in 34 league games last season.
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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2022, 10:29:15 AM
Right now we have a very decent squad of players. Unfortunately, they are being asked to play in a system that doesn't work.

I'm all for getting better players, but I'm not sure it will make much difference. Would another striker have resolved Saturday's shit-show?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 10, 2022, 10:47:10 AM
Right now we have a very decent squad of players. Unfortunately, they are being asked to play in a system that doesn't work.

I'm all for getting better players, but I'm not sure it will make much difference. Would another striker have resolved Saturday's shit-show?

I agree, We have no identity and no style of play. We could have signed Lewandowski and he wouldn't have got a look in on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 10, 2022, 11:01:00 AM
Lewandowski not yet registered by Barcelona, so there's still hope ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 10, 2022, 12:51:42 PM
Just read that we are being linked to Victor Nelsson, a centre back at Galatasary, not sure if he is any good as I have never heard of him.

He is Danish and 23 years of age and used to paly for Copenhagen - Lange must know him well
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 10, 2022, 12:58:41 PM
Just read that we are being linked to Victor Nelsson, a centre back at Galatasary, not sure if he is any good as I have never heard of him.

He is Danish and 23 years of age and used to paly for Copenhagen - Lange must know him well
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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 01:04:48 PM
Why are we being linked with centre-backs like him and Ampadu? We've got a million of them as we do central midfielders (where we're also looking to add to, apparently).

Our squad is in danger of being be lop-sided with a lot of fringe players who play similar positions that we can't get shut of cos we pay them more money than anyone else would.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2022, 01:11:04 PM
I’d suggest the links are bollocks - probably generated by the Mings stuff.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 10, 2022, 01:21:01 PM
Why are we being linked with centre-backs like him and Ampadu? We've got a million of them as we do central midfielders (where we're also looking to add to, apparently).

Our squad is in danger of being be lop-sided with a lot of fringe players who play similar positions that we can't get shut of cos we pay them more money than anyone else would.

I too think that the centre back thing is related to them thinking Mings might be off, together with Hause on loan which would leave us with 3. I think it's extremely unlikely.

Midfield wise though, we do have a few but McGinn, Luiz, Sanson and Ramsey are all pretty similar. Ramsey can be used a bit further forward as an 8 but is still a bit patchy and the other 3 run about a bit and give it simple for the most part and don't effectively get into the opposition or take the bull by the horns and drive us forward. Nakamba is a 6 but not that good, struggles against some of the better players. Kamara, for me, might just be a better version of McGinn, Luiz and Sanson. So we still need a 6 that can get into the opposition and drive us forward. Not so bothered about the 8 because i think Ramsey can do it and if not maybe McGinn.
We could do with offloading one of Sanson or Luiz to get in the type of player we need.

Striker wise, i'm not sure we're as desperate but if the opportunity presents itself to get someone in that would be an improvement we should do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2022, 01:50:01 PM
Why are we being linked with centre-backs like him and Ampadu? We've got a million of them as we do central midfielders (where we're also looking to add to, apparently).

Our squad is in danger of being be lop-sided with a lot of fringe players who play similar positions that we can't get shut of cos we pay them more money than anyone else would.

I agree in centre backs, 5 on the books right now and Feeney looks like he could easily step up to be the 4th choice so probably 6 really.

I think you're wrong on midfield though. We have 2 for each position Kamara/Nakamba - McGinn/Luiz - Ramsey/Sanson but SG brings Luiz on as a defensive option ahead of Nakamba and doesn't seem overly keen on Sanson so we are pretty much reliant on 3 from 4, with Tim maybe getting game time across the season. I suspect the plan before the start of the summer was for Carney to be the 6th option and now we're looking to sign a replacement for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 02:51:01 PM
Talking about a 6th option when we're not in Europe and with a manager who has his favourites (i.e McGinn) seems luxury/waste to me.

You've said yourself that two (Sanson/Nakamba) appear to be superfluous and Tim will struggle to get many starts with JJ, Meatball, Luiz and Kamara all ahead of him.

If we're bringing-in one worth £30m+ then surely a couple of the above players will have to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2022, 03:02:00 PM
Right now we have a very decent squad of players. Unfortunately, they are being asked to play in a system that doesn't work.

I'm all for getting better players, but I'm not sure it will make much difference. Would another striker have resolved Saturday's shit-show?

I still think we have a striker problem with Ings and Watkins but after the shit show at Bournemouth and all the other stuff we have some fundamental problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 10, 2022, 03:07:41 PM
Talking about a 6th option when we're not in Europe and with a manager who has his favourites (i.e McGinn) seems luxury/waste to me.

You've said yourself that two (Sanson/Nakamba) appear to be superfluous and Tim will struggle to get many starts with JJ, Meatball, Luiz and Kamara all ahead of him.

If we're bringing-in one worth £30m+ then surely a couple of the above players will have to leave.

A 6th choice for an area where we're playing 3 is just good squad management not superfluous. The people wanting another striker when we have 4 in the squad and play 1 up front are more guilty of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 10, 2022, 03:15:57 PM
Until there is a defined style of play and we see the current squad delivering to their potential, I wouldn’t be spending anymore money. SG needs to prove he can work with the gifts he already has before splashing more cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 10, 2022, 03:34:08 PM
Until there is a defined style of play and we see the current squad delivering to their potential, I wouldn’t be spending anymore money. SG needs to prove he can work with the gifts he already has before splashing more cash.

I actually agree with this...very true
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 10, 2022, 03:43:07 PM
Nope that’s flawed thinking from a club management point of view. They either back Gerrard - and fans can debate the merits of that - or they don’t, in which case he shouldn’t be in role. But you don’t end up with this weird quasi position going, we know we have areas in the squad that are weaker than they need to be but we’re not doing anything as we’re testing you before we spend any money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 10, 2022, 03:48:29 PM
Nope that’s flawed thinking from a club management point of view. They either back Gerrard - and fans can debate the merits of that - or they don’t, in which case he shouldn’t be in role. But you don’t end up with this weird quasi position going, we know we have areas in the squad that are weaker than they need to be but we’re not doing anything as we’re testing you before we spend any money.
agree although the only area that needs real attention is up front.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 03:50:41 PM
I back getting a quality 8 in as we are far too samey in that position. Up top, short of bringing in a totally different style of striker which is what we need, we should sell to buy. Someone would pay £15m for Ings surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 10, 2022, 03:55:01 PM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Heard from someone in the know, or read an article online?

The response is that Chelsea player looking at his options and Villa are one who would be keen for a loan
Anything doing won't happen to late and we're not only ones.
And an interesting thing also was that Lampards Everton after a host of Chelsea players.
But not the same as the one we like.

FDJ to Chelsea provides us with the aforementioned
 loan of a midfielder... There's a bit of competition to happen before that, and it's all very complicated with the Barcelona move.  But if things fall into place on all sides they SG would win over a lot of fans if we get the Chelsea guy. As its Stevie's pull that would get the transfer over the line.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 10, 2022, 04:05:36 PM
It's 'Steven' now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 04:09:09 PM
Roberto Soldado. That's who De Thomas reminds me of.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2022, 04:52:24 PM
Roberto Soldado. That's who De Thomas reminds me of.

The biggest waste of money Spurs ever spent?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2022, 05:18:44 PM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Heard from someone in the know, or read an article online?

The response is that Chelsea player looking at his options and Villa are one who would be keen for a loan
Anything doing won't happen to late and we're not only ones.
And an interesting thing also was that Lampards Everton after a host of Chelsea players.
But not the same as the one we like.

FDJ to Chelsea provides us with the aforementioned
 loan of a midfielder... There's a bit of competition to happen before that, and it's all very complicated with the Barcelona move.  But if things fall into place on all sides they SG would win over a lot of fans if we get the Chelsea guy. As its Steven's pull that would get the transfer over the line.

Who is it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 05:43:30 PM
Roberto Soldado. That's who De Thomas reminds me of.

The biggest waste of money Spurs ever spent?

Yep that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 10, 2022, 05:44:50 PM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 10, 2022, 06:26:38 PM
Nope that’s flawed thinking from a club management point of view. They either back Gerrard - and fans can debate the merits of that - or they don’t, in which case he shouldn’t be in role. But you don’t end up with this weird quasi position going, we know we have areas in the squad that are weaker than they need to be but we’re not doing anything as we’re testing you before we spend any money.

but they have backed him. i take your point, but when then is it right to say enough?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 10, 2022, 06:28:35 PM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.

Any mention or idea of what the fee will be?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 10, 2022, 07:19:22 PM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.
agreed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flamingo Lane on August 10, 2022, 07:29:40 PM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.
agreed

Scorer the other night of one of the best goals you might ever wish to see, and one of the worst penalty misses!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 10, 2022, 07:30:54 PM
It's 'Steven' now.

Its all gone evangelical…but i like the current cut of footys gib
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 10, 2022, 08:08:07 PM
Do we think we are getting anymore exciting signings in this window?  Or are we done?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2022, 08:16:26 PM

Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.

Any mention or idea of what the fee will be?

£25m is the fee I've seen reported though not seen the deal confirmed anywhere. Apparently the Plastics are interested too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 10, 2022, 08:19:46 PM
I heard we're interested for a loan of a Chelsea player!
That is all I know!
And it's one who came on yesterday!
The contenders then will be
Gallagher
Loftus Cheek
Armando Broja striker
Or Christian Pulisic


And it's only a loan

Heard from someone in the know, or read an article online?

The response is that Chelsea player looking at his options and Villa are one who would be keen for a loan
Anything doing won't happen to late and we're not only ones.
And an interesting thing also was that Lampards Everton after a host of Chelsea players.
But not the same as the one we like.

FDJ to Chelsea provides us with the aforementioned
 loan of a midfielder... There's a bit of competition to happen before that, and it's all very complicated with the Barcelona move.  But if things fall into place on all sides they SG would win over a lot of fans if we get the Chelsea guy. As its Steven's pull that would get the transfer over the line.

Wish it was Gallagher but can't see it happening. My money is on Hakim Ziyech, he's on loan at AC Milan but they're dragging their heels on putting an offer together and the lad doesn't want to go back to Chelsea.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 10, 2022, 09:23:38 PM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.
agreed

My two Watford mates say he is unplayable 1 in 5 and anonymous the other 4….if they invest some of the money in Keinan then that’s good for us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 10, 2022, 09:50:59 PM
Do fans judge their own players harsher than neutrals? Maybe Meatball really is dead-good all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 10, 2022, 10:36:27 PM
Of course we do. Look in the mirror and you'll see your biggest critic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 10, 2022, 10:43:34 PM
Of course we do. Look in the mirror and you'll see your biggest critic.

I knew he was behind me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 10, 2022, 10:44:50 PM
What the fuck is Ads doing in my mirror? 🥺
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on August 10, 2022, 10:47:16 PM
Ads is Candyman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 11, 2022, 01:09:06 AM
What the fuck is Ads doing in my mirror? 🥺

Looking for answers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 11, 2022, 07:05:40 AM
the lad doesn't want to go back to Chelsea.
Gus and Alfie might come screaming, dressed in white coats and shake him very gently by the throat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on August 11, 2022, 08:52:56 AM
Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.
agreed

My two Watford mates say he is unplayable 1 in 5 and anonymous the other 4….if they invest some of the money in Keinan then that’s good for us

That’s probably right, too, so not too harsh.
His 1 out of the 5 always coincided with playing us, though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 11, 2022, 09:49:49 AM
Didn’t Sarr also support Gueye’s stance on rainbow shirts?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 11, 2022, 09:53:11 AM
Didn’t Sarr also support Gueye’s stance on rainbow shirts?

Get the two in a room together and address them as such:

"You, Sarr, Gueye"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 11, 2022, 11:02:43 AM
Didn’t Sarr also support Gueye’s stance on rainbow shirts?

Get the two in a room together and address them as such:

"You, Sarr, Gueye"

ok Jar-Jar, settle down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on August 11, 2022, 06:24:45 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard on August 11, 2022, 06:54:31 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34

No! We need more pace, not him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2022, 08:18:10 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34

No! We need more pace, not him.

Jesus, if we added Mata to our midfield, we'd be into the realms of negative pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 11, 2022, 08:25:42 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34

No! We need more pace, not him.

Jesus, if we added Mata to our midfield, we'd be into the realms of negative pace.

He looks old enough to be Ings’ father.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2022, 08:26:57 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34

No! We need more pace, not him.

Jesus, if we added Mata to our midfield, we'd be into the realms of negative pace.

He looks old enough to be Ings’ father.

Ings looks like he's stepped out of that documentary Peter Jackson did where he upscaled WW1 footage to 4k and colour.

The only thing that'd give him away would be his hideous tattoo coverage.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2022, 08:34:34 PM
He looks old enough to be Ings’ father.

Ings looks like he's stepped out of that documentary Peter Jackson did where he upscaled WW1 footage to 4k and colour.

Mightn't have been a bad thing, with his current accuracy the death toll would have been a lot lower.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on August 11, 2022, 08:40:03 PM
He's only a year older than Perisic. How's about Diego Costa, 33, also a freebie. He'd give us that bit of shithousery up front we've missed. Get Milner back as well and our Steven can put in a few cameos link up with Ron Aldo in a shithousers free agent 11.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 11, 2022, 08:53:56 PM
He's only a year older than Perisic. How's about Diego Costa, 33, also a freebie. He'd give us that bit of shithousery up front we've missed. Get Milner back as well and our Steven can put in a few cameos link up with Ron Aldo in a shithousers free agent 11.
Have you been drinking?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 11, 2022, 08:54:13 PM
Juan Mata available on a free? 34

No! We need more pace, not him.

Jesus, if we added Mata to our midfield, we'd be into the realms of negative pace.

He looks old enough to be Ings’ father.

This world needs a father for the sorrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 11, 2022, 08:55:30 PM
We might as well put Sandy Richardson from Crossroads in the middle of the park.

TBF, judging on Saturday's evidence, he'd have absolutely tons of space to wheel himself around in because the rest of our team appeared to be treating it like some sort of Chernobyl postcode.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: passport1 on August 11, 2022, 09:00:15 PM
Its OK we already have Shughie Mcphee.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 11, 2022, 09:58:54 PM
And the odd Turtle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 11, 2022, 10:10:27 PM
 Jim Bains was a Villa boy
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 11, 2022, 10:16:19 PM
Am I raving again but was Stan Stennet who played Sid Hooper in Crossroads supposedly part of a consortium that was looking to invest in the Villa?  Max Bygraves also or is this all urban myth?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2022, 10:22:34 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 11, 2022, 10:28:08 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.
She sadly died. She was only about 18.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 11, 2022, 10:33:41 PM
Am I raving again but was Stan Stennet who played Sid Hooper in Crossroads supposedly part of a consortium that was looking to invest in the Villa?  Max Bygraves also or is this all urban myth?
I think that's right. A bit before my time really but I remember it being mentioned in that Ticket To The Moon book.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 11, 2022, 10:39:11 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.
She sadly died. She was only about 18.
In a road accident I think. As for Paul Henry being a Villa fan I do remember this which proves Ron Saunders had a sense of humour.
https://youtu.be/YRiUK1rpzr8
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 11, 2022, 10:58:49 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.
She sadly died. She was only about 18.
In a road accident I think. As for Paul Henry being a Villa fan I do remember this which proves Ron Saunders had a sense of humour.
https://youtu.be/YRiUK1rpzr8

He's Small Heath.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 11, 2022, 11:01:45 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.
She sadly died. She was only about 18.
In a road accident I think. As for Paul Henry being a Villa fan I do remember this which proves Ron Saunders had a sense of humour.
https://youtu.be/YRiUK1rpzr8

He's Small Heath.
A Small Heath fan who lives where he does!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2022, 11:10:04 PM
Benny's daughter was in my class at primary school so I assume he's Villa too as most of the kids at the school were.

She sadly died. She was only about 18.

Yes, it was mentioned when Benny was discussed on here before. Very sad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 11, 2022, 11:11:53 PM
He's Small Heath.

A Small Heath fan who lives where he does!

And born in Aston. Tut-tut!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 11, 2022, 11:39:38 PM
Can't we just gazump Newcastle for Isak up front and get Gallagher on loan in midfield and be done with it. Both the right age and both would improve the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2022, 12:41:03 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/6H8N0Zh/Screenshot-2022-08-12-at-00-40-21.png) (https://ibb.co/6H8N0Zh)


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 12, 2022, 11:36:16 AM
Raul de Tomas link. Any good?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 12, 2022, 11:47:22 AM

(https://i.ibb.co/6H8N0Zh/Screenshot-2022-08-12-at-00-40-21.png) (https://ibb.co/6H8N0Zh)
sure he played against Bournemouth last week
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2022, 11:48:15 AM
Raul de Tomas link. Any good?

No idea but apparently other PL clubs like Newcastle, West Ham etc. are also keen so it might just be 'agent drumming up interest' type nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 12, 2022, 12:23:03 PM
I always have a look at the calibre of websites producing rumours, and the Raul de Thomas ones are absolute bottom-feeding rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on August 12, 2022, 12:34:08 PM
Dennis to Forest for £20m  would he have been worth a risk?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 12, 2022, 01:01:07 PM
No. 6months of decent form having never really done much in his career is a punt we don’t need to take.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mouse Potato on August 12, 2022, 01:25:54 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/6H8N0Zh/Screenshot-2022-08-12-at-00-40-21.png) (https://ibb.co/6H8N0Zh)
sure he played against Bournemouth last week
In midfield by any chance?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 12, 2022, 01:38:59 PM
Davis off to Watford on loan according to The Athletic
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 12, 2022, 02:01:54 PM
No. 6months of decent form having never really done much in his career is a punt we don’t need to take.

He's only 24 and scored 10 league goals in a side that was relegated (plus 6 assists).  I don't think he's "top" quality, but he's shown enough to be an asset to a side in the lower half of the premier league and could still develop further at his age.  Don't think he's any better than what we have though.

Interestingly, he was behind Wesley in the pecking order at Brugges during the latter's final season there...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 12, 2022, 02:10:04 PM
Didn’t he do well in the Champions League for Bruges which brought him to the attention of a wider ordinance, must admit I thought he was older than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 12, 2022, 02:25:53 PM
No. 6months of decent form having never really done much in his career is a punt we don’t need to take.

He's only 24 and scored 10 league goals in a side that was relegated (plus 6 assists).  I don't think he's "top" quality, but he's shown enough to be an asset to a side in the lower half of the premier league and could still develop further at his age.  Don't think he's any better than what we have though.

Interestingly, he was behind Wesley in the pecking order at Brugges during the latter's final season there...

feel like you harpooned your own argument there :).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 12, 2022, 03:13:50 PM
We might be involved on deadline day for the first time in ages
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2022, 03:28:05 PM
Raul de Tomas link. Any good?

No idea but apparently other PL clubs like Newcastle, West Ham etc. are also keen so it might just be 'agent drumming up interest' type nonsense.

There was only one Raul in Noocassil and he was a psycho.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 12, 2022, 04:36:10 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/6H8N0Zh/Screenshot-2022-08-12-at-00-40-21.png) (https://ibb.co/6H8N0Zh)
sure he played against Bournemouth last week
In midfield by any chance?
apart from goalkeeper, think there were 10 Benny's on
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 12, 2022, 06:53:27 PM
There was only one Raul in Noocassil and he was a psycho.

He was such a nutter he didn't even spell Raul correctly. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 12, 2022, 08:30:57 PM

Ishmael Sarr off to Leeds. Bloody good signing that.

Any mention or idea of what the fee will be?

£25m is the fee I've seen reported though not seen the deal confirmed anywhere. Apparently the Plastics are interested too.

Just noticed he's playing for Watford tonight. And there was my Leeds mate telling me they had £200m to spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on August 13, 2022, 06:04:57 PM
Anyone seen an article yet asking are Forest doing a Villa?  No not me?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 13, 2022, 11:39:06 PM
So another centre half likely to jump the queue in front of the No 8 or striker then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 08:54:56 AM
A midfielder like Everton's Onana at £33 million or Southampton's Aribo at £10 million would have been a good option here at Villa in my opinion. They would add physicality and drive, not to mention goal threat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 14, 2022, 10:19:53 AM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2022, 10:46:36 AM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.

Yeah he’s one of those players that would look okay in a meat and potatoes 442 bit struggles for identity in today’s formations.  Gordon is similar - what position is he? - but just looks like he can up his game to suit many roles.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 14, 2022, 10:57:41 AM
And both did more than Demari Gray. Everton seem woeful up front.

On a transfer front, I think we are genuinely close to having a well balanced squad. A Tammy-esqe striker to play as a lone striker in front of Coutinho and/or Buendia and/or Bailey would be great.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2022, 11:36:43 AM
Onana looked good when he came on for Everton and had the right kind of drive that we are looking for from our midfield.  Saying that, JJ did as much as Onana and had a really good game for Villa.  McGinn was solid enough but is still the weaker link and if we can get a player who uses the ball better, we'd have the balance that we need. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 14, 2022, 11:39:55 AM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.
100% - I was going to say that to my borther (who I was sat with), but waited to hell went off before he did
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on August 14, 2022, 12:02:49 PM
Onana looked good when he came on for Everton and had the right kind of drive that we are looking for from our midfield.  Saying that, JJ did as much as Onana and had a really good game for Villa.  McGinn was solid enough but is still the weaker link and if we can get a player who uses the ball better, we'd have the balance that we need.
I thought McGinn was superb,won lots of tackles and used the ball well.To me JJ is the weaker link ,great when we are overrunning the opposition but not so good when we are defending.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 14, 2022, 12:33:25 PM
Quite impressed by Forest. Actually throwing money at proven PL talent. Are there no FFP worries?

Wish we had been as bold the summer we came up instead of hopeful punts on Wes, Naka, Trez etc.

Must be their best squad since they finished 3rd with our Stanley Victor in '95
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.

These clowns spent £20m on McNeil to add to a deal that could end up being £40m for Deli Alli.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 14, 2022, 01:25:55 PM
Quite impressed by Forest. Actually throwing money at proven PL talent. Are there no FFP worries?

Wish we had been as bold the summer we came up instead of hopeful punts on Wes, Naka, Trez etc.

Must be their best squad since they finished 3rd with our Stanley Victor in '95

They've built a squad and not just a team. However the defence looks shocking player wise for this level.
And not sure how much of a team they have. Certainly have the numbers don't they!

Cooper seems a manager who can organise and I'm wondering how many signings are actually his.
I don't know how they'll get on as that team and squad will take a while to gel.
Could be a solid win for West Ham today based on forest still finding their team.
Rather interesting to see though how they will do this season.
Certainly don't think they will have a Leeds/ Sheff Utd /Wolves impact but if they stay up will add some comeptetive nature to the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2022, 01:36:30 PM
Everton are awful, we were our own worst enemies yesterday in allowing them undeservedly to come close to a draw. However, I too thought Onana looked good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2022, 02:16:46 PM
The Forrest striker looks a unit and pain in the arse to play against. If he takes his chances too then they’ll have done well there.

One to watch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 14, 2022, 02:31:18 PM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.

These clowns spent £20m on McNeil to add to a deal that could end up being £40m for Deli Alli.

That really is ham-fisted management.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2022, 02:40:08 PM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.

These clowns spent £20m on McNeil to add to a deal that could end up being £40m for Deli Alli.

That really is ham-fisted management.

It's what happens in the death spiral, like a gambler chasing his losses
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 02:45:29 PM
I'm glad we "missed out" on McNeil. He was dreadful yesterday.

These clowns spent £20m on McNeil to add to a deal that could end up being £40m for Deli Alli.

That really is ham-fisted management.

It's what happens in the death spiral, like a gambler chasing his losses

When you need all the help you can get you don’t go and get players like Dele Alli. Much like us bringing in Lescott and Richards during our crisis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 04:32:40 PM
It looks like he’s totally fallen out of love with the game. There’s undoubted ability in Alli but is there that will and desire?
If you get the chance watch the Crystal Palace documentary on their academy. 12-13 year old players talking about six figure salaries. I’m sure they love the game but when they’ve got multi millions there still needs to be that desire to play the game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2022, 04:51:05 PM
It looks like he’s totally fallen out of love with the game. There’s undoubted ability in Alli but is there that will and desire?
If you get the chance watch the Crystal Palace documentary on their academy. 12-13 year old players talking about six figure salaries. I’m sure they love the game but when they’ve got multi millions there still needs to be that desire to play the game.

I watched that with my 12 year old, its on weekly on C4 isnt it?
The amount of pressure on those young 12 year olds to make it to the next level, with the countdown to getting offered another 2 year contract or not is huge and that pressure is only increased with the huge riches on offer at premier league level, its equivalent to winning the lottery for these kids and their families, or like the lottery thats the dream.

Clubs mop up all the local talent at ages 6, 7, 8 etc, im not convinced anymore ‘make it’ than in the 70s and 80s, but these kids get sold on the dream en masse really, and in the meantime aren’t allowed to have the fun of playing for their local kids team throughout their childhoods till their dropped by the professional Club. My lad plays for his local club, has done since he was 6, and the amount of kids that are hot picked up villa, west brom etc, only to be dropped a couple of years later is really quite large.
Going back to Alli, he must of had huge talent and determination to make it, but somewhere down the line has just lost interest seemingly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 04:58:49 PM
Your 100% correct about the academy process. I suppose if you’re good enough then you’re good enough. It’s hard to see young kids get rejected but that’s football. I don’t like to see monetary pressures being placed on kids shoulders but in the land of social media they read it every day. It what footballs become in a way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 14, 2022, 05:06:36 PM
Your 100% correct about the academy process. I suppose if you’re good enough then you’re good enough. It’s hard to see young kids get rejected but that’s football. I don’t like to see monetary pressures being placed on kids shoulders but in the land of social media they read it every day. It what footballs become in a way.
Yep thats all true.
Its just the amount of kids that get put through it. When i was a kid in the 80s you only ever heard of a couple of kids here and there being asked to train with a professional club, Villas current academy manager was a friend of mine growing up, he was obviously a cut above the rest of us and one such kid. Now clubs seem to hedge their bets by mopping loads of good footballers up in a kind of law of averages, but with the likely hood of going all the way probably the same, it just means loads more kids are sold a false dream and in the meantime prevented from having that experience of playing football for fun.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 05:17:38 PM
Clubs play the percentage game. The more you look at, the more chance you’ll get a few who could make it. I do think the actual academy’s are better with how they treat the kids but parents should keep the kids feet on the ground. I suppose you can’t stop a child dreaming though. It’s a tough one when their dreams end, which is about 99% of kids in a club development place. It’s even worse when they’ve been there years and end up being released after having been given a contract. It’s a very thought environment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 05:18:17 PM
*tough
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2022, 05:30:53 PM
Pulisic, Zayech and Gallagher all on the Chelsea bench.  I know they will get game time due to cup games but I wouldn't mind any of them at Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2022, 05:41:28 PM
Pulisic would be a brilliant signing.  Think he's a real player.  Any centre halves not getting a game?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 14, 2022, 07:09:45 PM
I'd love to get James Ward-Prowse. Alongside Kamara, he'd be brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 14, 2022, 09:04:07 PM
I'd love to get James Ward-Prowse. Alongside Kamara, he'd be brilliant.

JWP is the classic highlights player. Southampton midfield gets rinsed most weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2022, 09:06:22 PM
Looks like Carlos is out for the season. 6-9 months If he has snapped his tendon
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2022, 09:18:21 PM
Shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 14, 2022, 09:24:18 PM
This is just out luck! He is a very solid player of pedigree.
Luc nilis was the last player like that we signed and look what happened to him!

Can't be helped but sometime I wonder of we are just cursed! Our luck is rotten everytime things start to click into place squad wise something happens, a Yorke leaving, a Barry, milner, Delph, Joe, nilis horror injury now Carlos. We are well over due a bit of luck.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 14, 2022, 09:46:04 PM
OK looks like a transfer dash for a central defender to keep Mings on his toes then.

I expect a central defender plus midfielder in before the close. I suspect it may go to deadline day, to get the deals done
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 14, 2022, 09:55:30 PM
I would like to see Feeny get a move up.

Konsa
Mings
Chambers
Hause

Is enough I think till Carlos is back
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 14, 2022, 09:56:32 PM
I agree but it sounds like Hause is off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2022, 09:58:19 PM
Very worrying that essentially from the side that finishes with 2 wins in 12, our only first team signing is Kamara if Carlos is out long term.  Forward and Number 8 options appear to have been shelved too.  End of the season there was much talk about Gerrard having a decent amount to spend,  but it's not really happened so far. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2022, 10:00:02 PM
I hope we don't think of putting Kamara into defence!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 14, 2022, 10:00:09 PM
I would like to see Feeny get a move up.

Konsa
Mings
Chambers
Hause

Is enough I think till Carlos is back

Still makes us weaker overall. Carlos was purchased as a straight into the first team player. I think Ming’s will be a better player if he knows he will be dropped. I expect us to replace Carlos with similar or better quality. We can’t afford a season of just making do with the existing players IMO
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 14, 2022, 10:00:53 PM
I hope we don't think of putting Kamara into defence!

Now that would be two steps backwards after one step forwards
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 14, 2022, 10:03:26 PM
Very worrying that essentially from the side that finishes with 2 wins in 12, our only first team signing is Kamara if Carlos is out long term.  Forward and Number 8 options appear to have been shelved too.  End of the season there was much talk about Gerrard having a decent amount to spend,  but it's not really happened so far. 

It’s been very quiet hasn’t it, perhaps the stadium costs are a consideration. Hopefully we have an exciting deadline day (but no panic buys please)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 10:04:43 PM
Competition pushes players and therefore makes them better. If Gerrard was happy with what we’ve got he wouldn’t have signed Carlos so I fully expect a replacement. Not a makeshift but some quality. Maybe we are waiting for some outgoings before we do but this is a must, unless we are happy finishing in the bottom half.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2022, 10:08:24 PM
If he's out for the season I expect a centre half and a midfielder that can walk into the team still.  I just don't believe Gerrard is happy with this squad for the season. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 14, 2022, 10:10:30 PM
Agreed. Both a must if we have any ambition of moving into the top half.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2022, 10:23:25 PM
We 100% need more recruits. CB, CM and a FW. Gerrard won’t be happy with the current backing. Now Carlos is out we’ve effectively added one player to a side that was pretty crap.
The next two weeks will tell me a lot about what the clubs actually ambitions are this season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2022, 10:36:40 PM
Sorry Vinnie, that reads like Gerrard is unhappy with the backing he's getting?  I presume not the case?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2022, 10:39:28 PM
Sorry Vinnie, that reads like Gerrard is unhappy with the backing he's getting?  I presume not the case?

Not heard he’s ‘unhappy’ but he defo wanted more in than we’ve done so far
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 14, 2022, 10:40:52 PM
Sorry Vinnie, that reads like Gerrard is unhappy with the backing he's getting?  I presume not the case?

Not heard he’s ‘unhappy’ but he defo wanted more in than we’ve done so far

Thanks Vinnie, let's all hope he gets his way.  I agree that we now need 3 players in, especially if Hause looks like he might be going. Any more info on players?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2022, 10:47:51 PM
Sorry Vinnie, that reads like Gerrard is unhappy with the backing he's getting?  I presume not the case?

Not heard he’s ‘unhappy’ but he defo wanted more in than we’ve done so far

Thanks Vinnie, let's all hope he gets his way.  I agree that we now need 3 players in, especially if Hause looks like he might be going. Any more info on players?

News tighter than a ducks ass. Think priority was still clearing the decks of the likes of AEG, Sanson, Hause
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 14, 2022, 10:51:05 PM
I tend to agree that should be the priority, way too much waste in the squad before we can think about bringing in more players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 14, 2022, 10:57:18 PM
I think the club need to be sensible. We all want stellar signings, but if they're not available or not going to come to Villa at present, I don't mind the club being more prudent and pouncing when the opportunities arise. The current recruitment team have already shown that they're more than capable in operating opportunistically in signing Martinez, Ings, Digne and diligently (like Kamara). It's frustrating that it's not happening quicker but there's no point in filling the squad with filler or to the extent that we have no room within FFP to manoeuvre.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 14, 2022, 10:57:55 PM
Very worrying that essentially from the side that finishes with 2 wins in 12, our only first team signing is Kamara if Carlos is out long term.  Forward and Number 8 options appear to have been shelved too.  End of the season there was much talk about Gerrard having a decent amount to spend,  but it's not really happened so far. 

I agree, nothing like enough.

Yet another season mooking around the arse end of the table beckons.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 14, 2022, 11:01:11 PM
well maybe it is time for the kids to step up and we coach some of the players we have into a cohesive side , just a thought
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 14, 2022, 11:08:14 PM
Very worrying that essentially from the side that finishes with 2 wins in 12, our only first team signing is Kamara if Carlos is out long term.  Forward and Number 8 options appear to have been shelved too.  End of the season there was much talk about Gerrard having a decent amount to spend,  but it's not really happened so far. 

I agree, nothing like enough.

Yet another season mooking around the arse end of the table beckons.

Agree. 12-14th place again at best
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 14, 2022, 11:57:46 PM
Before the news of Diego Carlos if we don’t strengthen with at least 1 or 2 more players in the next 2 weeks we will have missed a huge opportunity to close the gap above us. And with this latest news it is even more imperative. The teams above us for the positions we are competing for aren’t that much better. We have seen what true quality looks like in Kamara and he was a free. We need players just like him or we will not see the best of him as we lose games. Our forwards aren’t good enough and we need at least one proper midfielder who can challenge any of the current batch. Despite the win yesterday I’m a bit concerned.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2022, 01:00:30 AM
Before the news of Diego Carlos if we don’t strengthen with at least 1 or 2 more players in the next 2 weeks we will have missed a huge opportunity to close the gap above us. And with this latest news it is even more imperative. The teams above us for the positions we are competing for aren’t that much better. We have seen what true quality looks like in Kamara and he was a free. We need players just like him or we will not see the best of him as we lose games. Our forwards aren’t good enough and we need at least one proper midfielder who can challenge any of the current batch. Despite the win yesterday I’m a bit concerned.

I’m concerned from the perspective of what they state the ambitions are v reality currently imo. They are all expecting minimum top 10 and even pushing 7th.
Given we’ve added Kamara to a side that finished 14th, I’d say expecting one man to make that much of a difference is verging on delusional.
I know for fact Gerrard wants more, only hold up I can work out is they wanting Guilbert, AEG, Hause, Sanson gone first before any more in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 15, 2022, 01:03:46 AM
I agree. Let’s hope that if we move them or not we still make at least one significant move. What we have simply isn’t enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 01:20:48 AM
I expected,  after Kamara and Carlos,  that we'd be in for a couple of 30-40m players,  especially with Target,  Chuck and Jack money last summer.  I also thought El Ghazi and Davis were easy perm sales,  Ghazi scored 10 prem goals from out wide only 2 seasons ago,  so a newly promoted side for 6-7m would have made a lot of sense.  Davis too,  after Forest,  should have had a perm buyer,  although I wonder if that deal has eyes on next summer FFP.  Hause is a strange one as we gave him a decent new contract.  Maybe we can use Sanson to get that big Croatian centre half we wanted last season from Marseille.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 01:31:30 AM
Very worrying that essentially from the side that finishes with 2 wins in 12, our only first team signing is Kamara if Carlos is out long term.  Forward and Number 8 options appear to have been shelved too.  End of the season there was much talk about Gerrard having a decent amount to spend,  but it's not really happened so far. 

I agree, nothing like enough.

Yet another season mooking around the arse end of the table beckons.

Agree. 12-14th place again at best

That would be poor, in my opinion. I reckon we have a better squad than Brentford, Newcastle, Brighton, Bournemouth, Leeds, Forest, Fulham, Southampton, Everton, Palace, and on a par with Leicester, Wolves and West Ham.

We may not be world-beaters, but if we can't finish top half then there's something wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 01:38:34 AM
I think you are underestimating how good a squad some have put together. Newcastle are decent now,  prob on a par with us,  Brighton similar,  Leicester,  West Ham still better.  Pale have done some canny business too this summer.  I would put us 9-13th ish. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 01:47:25 AM
I think you are underestimating how good a squad some have put together. Newcastle are decent now,  prob on a par with us,  Brighton similar,  Leicester,  West Ham still better.  Pale have done some canny business too this summer.  I would put us 9-13th ish.

I respectfully disagree, Jim. I don't think we're a threat to the top six, but I do think we have a top half squad, if we play to our strengths.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2022, 01:51:42 AM
It’s still the midfield for me we have major issues with. One injury away from having to use week in week out a group who havnt been good enough so far.
Sanson ain’t in favour
Luiz - personally don’t rate - don’t see what he offers
Ramsey - young and form will fluctuate
McGinn - been poor for a while

None of the above have anyone breathing down their neck to take their shirt off them. That’s a major major issue.
We need more than any other position a top top CM. Not only will it immediately improve the 11 but will also improve the midfield squad by giving genuine purpose/competition for a shirt
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 15, 2022, 01:56:09 AM
I think you are underestimating how good a squad some have put together. Newcastle are decent now,  prob on a par with us,  Brighton similar,  Leicester,  West Ham still better.  Pale have done some canny business too this summer.  I would put us 9-13th ish.

I respectfully disagree, Jim. I don't think we're a threat to the top six, but I do think we have a top half squad, if we play to our strengths.

I agree with Rory, I'll be disappointed if we're not top half even of we don't bring in any more before the window shuts. Having said that adding another quality CM would make me very happy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 15, 2022, 02:03:46 AM
It’s still the midfield for me we have major issues with. One injury away from having to use week in week out a group who havnt been good enough so far.
Sanson ain’t in favour
Luiz - personally don’t rate - don’t see what he offers
Ramsey - young and form will fluctuate
McGinn - been poor for a while

None of the above have anyone breathing down their neck to take their shirt off them. That’s a major major issue.
We need more than any other position a top top CM. Not only will it immediately improve the 11 but will also improve the midfield squad by giving genuine purpose/competition for a shirt

I agree, McGinn would be a perfect utility player, but never first choice for me, and Luiz is tidy but is a nothing player who does everything passably but nothing well. We could really do with a 2009-10 Milner.

There is definitely work to be done, but I do think we overrate the squads of Brighton, Palace, Leicester, West Ham. For me, we finished a couple of places lower than we should've done last season, and whether through weak transfer activity, mismanagement or shite player performance, a bottom-half finish this year would be poor, I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2022, 05:32:15 AM
This current squad is good enough to get 60 points.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 15, 2022, 06:21:18 AM
Goalkeeper, Defenence Buendia and Kamara are good enough to be around the top 8, after that we have a mixture of average, potential and inconsistent.
We need a striker and top midfielder to make the first X1 competitive at the top half of the table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 15, 2022, 06:54:04 AM
It’s still the midfield for me we have major issues with. One injury away from having to use week in week out a group who havnt been good enough so far.
Sanson ain’t in favour
Luiz - personally don’t rate - don’t see what he offers
Ramsey - young and form will fluctuate
McGinn - been poor for a while

None of the above have anyone breathing down their neck to take their shirt off them. That’s a major major issue.
We need more than any other position a top top CM. Not only will it immediately improve the 11 but will also improve the midfield squad by giving genuine purpose/competition for a shirt
100% agree.
Any developments on your previous post about us being in for one of 4 top midfielders?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 06:58:07 AM
This current squad is good enough to get 60 points.

Really??  This squad got just over 40 points last season,  have lost Carlos for much of the season so only have Kamara in addition.  But somehow we are getting 60 points?

I am with Vinnie re the midfield. We are a top 6 standard player in there from pushing on,  and up front Bailey is massively unproven and Watkins and Ings are top half players,  but not top 6. We often have claret and blue blinkers on with our players. Many are not as good as we like to think.

As for Newcastle and Brighton,  the difference there is they have a much more clear identity.  Brighton more so,  but I think they are hugely under rated as a squad. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2022, 07:14:06 AM
This current squad is good enough to get 60 points.

Really??  This squad got just over 40 points last season,  have lost Carlos for much of the season so only have Kamara in addition.  But somehow we are getting 60 points?

I am with Vinnie re the midfield. We are a top 6 standard player in there from pushing on,  and up front Bailey is massively unproven and Watkins and Ings are top half players,  but not top 6. We often have claret and blue blinkers on with our players. Many are not as good as we like to think.

As for Newcastle and Brighton,  the difference there is they have a much more clear identity.  Brighton more so,  but I think they are hugely under rated as a squad.

I do, yes. I don't know how to link to another thread ('Summary of the season,' page 5) but I did a comparison of sorts between the last two seasons to show how similar they were and how it was realistic to reach 60 points this season. That would only be 5 more points than Smith got in his final full season. It's up to Gerrard to give us the identity that your Newcastle's and your Brighton's you mention have. Let's face it, I don't think you'd swap out many of their players with what we've currently got.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 08:09:21 AM
If you ask their fans,  I don't think more than 3-4 of ours are getting in their teams.  As fans we have a very partisan view of the adult of our players at times.  Newcastle as an example,  their fans would argue that possibly only Kamara,  Digne and Coutinho would get in their side.  Wilson is a more clinical forward than we have (on Villa form for Ings),  Botman,  Pope,  Trippier,  Guimares are all likely to get into ours,  Joelinton has been a revelation in midfield and we would all take Saint Maximam.  Brighton are a sum of their parts,  but Trossard,  Lamprey,  Dunk,  Caicedo and Mitoma from what I have seen would push our players.  They have bought very well in their structure and are then coached exceptionally well.

The point I'm making though is the teams around us are better than we credit them,  so getting top half,  or 60 points,  is much harder with the same group. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2022, 08:18:15 AM
I kind of get this debate if we’re here on September 1st, but there is still time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 15, 2022, 08:21:38 AM
If you ask their fans,  I don't think more than 3-4 of ours are getting in their teams.  As fans we have a very partisan view of the adult of our players at times.  Newcastle as an example,  their fans would argue that possibly only Kamara,  Digne and Coutinho would get in their side.  Wilson is a more clinical forward than we have (on Villa form for Ings),  Botman,  Pope,  Trippier,  Guimares are all likely to get into ours,  Joelinton has been a revelation in midfield and we would all take Saint Maximam.  Brighton are a sum of their parts,  but Trossard,  Lamprey,  Dunk,  Caicedo and Mitoma from what I have seen would push our players.  They have bought very well in their structure and are then coached exceptionally well.

The point I'm making though is the teams around us are better than we credit them,  so getting top half,  or 60 points,  is much harder with the same group. 

Saying “if you ask their fans”  isn’t really going to add much though. It would be the same as them saying “ask Villa fans” but then you and Leon giving very different answers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2022, 08:27:59 AM
If you ask their fans,  I don't think more than 3-4 of ours are getting in their teams.  As fans we have a very partisan view of the adult of our players at times.  Newcastle as an example,  their fans would argue that possibly only Kamara,  Digne and Coutinho would get in their side.  Wilson is a more clinical forward than we have (on Villa form for Ings),  Botman,  Pope,  Trippier,  Guimares are all likely to get into ours,  Joelinton has been a revelation in midfield and we would all take Saint Maximam.  Brighton are a sum of their parts,  but Trossard,  Lamprey,  Dunk,  Caicedo and Mitoma from what I have seen would push our players.  They have bought very well in their structure and are then coached exceptionally well.

The point I'm making though is the teams around us are better than we credit them,  so getting top half,  or 60 points,  is much harder with the same group.

I think Bruno G and (possibly) Wilson from Newcastle are the only players I’d take. Brighton, possibly Lewis Dunk. I’m trying not to be partizan about it. It’s just what I genuinely think (as Chris mentioned above). The players we’ve bought from summer 2021 onwards have largely underperformed and therefore subject to recency basis. Their output elsewhere is the basis of why we bought them and it’s up to us to get the most out of them, something we’re just not doing. Yet in their underperforming they’ve still got 45 points last season. That can be improved upon. Before even considering Kamara and Carlos, we’ve traded Targett, Grealish, Barkley and Trezeguet (in a side that got 55 points) for Digne, Buendia, Coutinho, Bailey and Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 08:40:15 AM
If you ask their fans,  I don't think more than 3-4 of ours are getting in their teams.  As fans we have a very partisan view of the adult of our players at times.  Newcastle as an example,  their fans would argue that possibly only Kamara,  Digne and Coutinho would get in their side.  Wilson is a more clinical forward than we have (on Villa form for Ings),  Botman,  Pope,  Trippier,  Guimares are all likely to get into ours,  Joelinton has been a revelation in midfield and we would all take Saint Maximam.  Brighton are a sum of their parts,  but Trossard,  Lamprey,  Dunk,  Caicedo and Mitoma from what I have seen would push our players.  They have bought very well in their structure and are then coached exceptionally well.

The point I'm making though is the teams around us are better than we credit them,  so getting top half,  or 60 points,  is much harder with the same group. 

Saying “if you ask their fans”  isn’t really going to add much though. It would be the same as them saying “ask Villa fans” but then you and Leon giving very different answers.

The point being that we look at it and say our squad should get to 60 points.  Theirs would say similar, and not rate our players like we don't theirs.  Seeing expectations around 60 points with our squad as it is,  from a side that won 2 of their last 12 and only just got over 40 points is unrealistic and looking through very rose tinted specs at our squad. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 15, 2022, 08:42:50 AM
If you ask their fans,  I don't think more than 3-4 of ours are getting in their teams.  As fans we have a very partisan view of the adult of our players at times.  Newcastle as an example,  their fans would argue that possibly only Kamara,  Digne and Coutinho would get in their side.  Wilson is a more clinical forward than we have (on Villa form for Ings),  Botman,  Pope,  Trippier,  Guimares are all likely to get into ours,  Joelinton has been a revelation in midfield and we would all take Saint Maximam.  Brighton are a sum of their parts,  but Trossard,  Lamprey,  Dunk,  Caicedo and Mitoma from what I have seen would push our players.  They have bought very well in their structure and are then coached exceptionally well.

The point I'm making though is the teams around us are better than we credit them,  so getting top half,  or 60 points,  is much harder with the same group. 

Saying “if you ask their fans”  isn’t really going to add much though. It would be the same as them saying “ask Villa fans” but then you and Leon giving very different answers.

The point being that we look at it and say our squad should get to 60 points.  Theirs would say similar, and not rate our players like we don't theirs.  Seeing expectations around 60 points with our squad as it is,  from a side that won 2 of their last 12 and only just got over 40 points is unrealistic and looking through very rose tinted specs at our squad.

I’m basing it on our performances in the last two seasons from largely the same group of players. It’s in that bit I posted on the other thread as to that points figure. Some other sides have improved, some have got worse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2022, 08:52:10 AM
Linked to Jason Denayer as replacement CB; and also to Rob Holding (no thanks to the latter - should be called Ricket Holding).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2022, 08:54:12 AM
We haven't improved nearly enough and it's still the same largely inconsistent bunch that we had last year. Watkins and Ings did OK against Everton, but I still think they're not the pair to really take us up a notch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 15, 2022, 09:08:22 AM
I think where I disagree with most people on this site is I actually like our midfield players and think they are good enough for the next level
I think our major areas of concern are centre backs and forwards

I think we have good quality in midfield but I don’t think Gerrard has yet found the right blend
But we do have strength and depth there and plenty of options but it’s important vital that Gerrard finds the right Formula

So centre backs is where I feel we are weak, every bloody corner every cross scrambling around like amateurs
Carlos is now injured but that’s no one’s fault obviously
Konsa he is no more than a back up and he’s not good enough for the next level Hause isn’t good enough full stop
That leaves us Chambers and Mings I like them both but are they a top six pairing Probably not

Watkins and Ings will always get you a few goals and will look lively at times are the next level players, No
Watkins is the player equivalent to Steve Bruce he will do something good every few games for people to say He needs more time and is going to come good but his overall game isn’t good enough it just isn’t there
But yeah I hear you cry he got two assists that’s what I’m saying he does just enough to keep us going

I like Ings But we need better to propell us forward
Maybe that’s archer I don’t know

My main point is I don’t think it’s midfield that’s the main problem, a decent centre half pairing and a prolific forward and we’ll be knocking on the door of top 6/7 imho




Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 09:15:39 AM
We haven't improved nearly enough and it's still the same largely inconsistent bunch that we had last year. Watkins and Ings did OK against Everton, but I still think they're not the pair to really take us up a notch.
Yeah this is a where I am, Coutinho is great on hist good days.  And the biggest weakness of Watk/ings its the fact it keeps one of Emi2 and Bailey on the bench
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 15, 2022, 09:15:51 AM
It’s still the midfield for me we have major issues with. One injury away from having to use week in week out a group who havnt been good enough so far.
Sanson ain’t in favour
Luiz - personally don’t rate - don’t see what he offers
Ramsey - young and form will fluctuate
McGinn - been poor for a while

None of the above have anyone breathing down their neck to take their shirt off them. That’s a major major issue.
We need more than any other position a top top CM. Not only will it immediately improve the 11 but will also improve the midfield squad by giving genuine purpose/competition for a shirt
100% agree.
Any developments on your previous post about us being in for one of 4 top midfielders?
The ones I know we were interested in havnt left their clubs yet to anyone
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 15, 2022, 09:21:52 AM
Combine Ings and Watkins would be a great player and probably cost £60m... can we find a player that has Ings' finishing and Watkins' work rate?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 15, 2022, 09:27:13 AM
If we are looking for a replacement centre half it will probably be someone who is available on a free transfer

Hause obviously will never play for Villa whilst Gerrard is manager - what a waste of a salary and his career.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2022, 10:02:16 AM
There's a few players in a lot of squads who stay permanently on the fringes as fill-ins, occasionally getting a run in the team.

Hause was rewarded with a new contract in January for some decent performances last season up to that point. He'll probably be disappointed that we brought Chambers in straight after that to replace Tuanzebe at a point when he might have thought he had a real shot at getting in the team more often with Konsa's form slipping and Mings prone to the odd clanger, but it was always going to be a fight on his hands to dislodge those two for more than a couple of games as aerially apart, he isn't an improvement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 15, 2022, 10:22:07 AM
Newcastle and Brighton will both finish above us this season. Even Forest's new attack (Dennis, Maupay and Lingard) would run rings around Konsa and Mings. Brighton are very good and Brentford have goals in them.

As ever, there won't be much in 8th to 14th, but we are just too inconsistent to back being the best of the rest. If we went on a 5, 6, 7, 8 match unbeaten spell I would have more hope, but we never do. It's 2 or 3 matches against prime relegation fodder and that's the show.

I'll start believing again if we hand a drubbing to this awful manure team. Nothing would please me more than seeing those ****** get absolutely destroyed by us. What's more likely to happen is Watkins will fluff 4 or 5 sitters and we'll lose to a dodgy pen or defensive error then the week after they'll get rolled by Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 15, 2022, 10:23:42 AM
Combine Ings and Watkins would be a great player and probably cost £60m... can we find a player that has Ings' finishing and Watkins' work rate?
Yeah but you know if we did they would come in, and switch to having Ings running and watkins finishing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 15, 2022, 10:32:01 AM
Linked to Jason Denayer as replacement CB; and also to Rob Holding (no thanks to the latter - should be called Ricket Holding).


I always got Chambers and Holding mixed up at Arsenal and was afraid we signed the shit one in January.  Thankfully we didn't so no need to get him now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 15, 2022, 10:32:58 AM
Linked to Jason Denayer as replacement CB; and also to Rob Holding (no thanks to the latter - should be called Ricket Holding).


I always got Chambers and Holding mixed up at Arsenal and was afraid we signed the shit one in January.  Thankfully we didn't so no need to get him now.
Yeh, Holding is crap
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 15, 2022, 10:33:41 AM
Linked to Jason Denayer as replacement CB; and also to Rob Holding (no thanks to the latter - should be called Ricket Holding).


I always got Chambers and Holding mixed up at Arsenal and was afraid we signed the shit one in January.  Thankfully we didn't so no need to get him now.
Yeh, Holding is crap

Yep he looks really old and plays like he is really old
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 10:53:14 AM
The Croatian at Marseille surely makes sense.  Send Sanson back in exchange.  2 birds and all that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 15, 2022, 11:19:01 AM
Has Luiz signed his new contract does anyone know?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2022, 01:31:46 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2022, 01:37:05 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 15, 2022, 01:37:48 PM
The stadium plans etc suggest its not Lerner style boredom. I do wonder behind the scenes how closely we are flirting with FFP
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on August 15, 2022, 01:40:17 PM
There's no point signing another centre back unless they're better than Konsa and/or Mings. Assuming Hause's injury isn't massively long term then we'll have four fit centre backs, which is an appropriate number. If we can quickly identify and sign an upgrade on Konsa/Mings in the next two weeks then great, but I feel like that's unlikely unless we're willing to spend about £30m on a position we thought we'd got sorted before Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2022, 01:51:44 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 15, 2022, 02:06:33 PM
I can never see why people think we would have been able to spend hundreds of millions when we had just come up from the Championship, but would be struggling with FFP now we have years of Premier League cash plus Grealish installments to keep us going? If we were gonna struggle with FFP surely it would have been the first season we came up?

Unless we are thinking about possible European football now and the UEFA rules on FFP are more stringent?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 15, 2022, 02:16:18 PM
I can never see why people think we would have been able to spend hundreds of millions when we had just come up from the Championship, but would be struggling with FFP now we have years of Premier League cash plus Grealish installments to keep us going? If we were gonna struggle with FFP surely it would have been the first season we came up?

Unless we are thinking about possible European football now and the UEFA rules on FFP are more stringent?

Nope it makes no sense to me either. Plus think of the FFP value of the Chukwemeka deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2022, 02:21:08 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2022, 02:39:50 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course. 

He did only get injured a couple of days ago. At least give them chance to bring in a replacement if they feel they need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2022, 02:48:02 PM
I can never see why people think we would have been able to spend hundreds of millions when we had just come up from the Championship, but would be struggling with FFP now we have years of Premier League cash plus Grealish installments to keep us going? If we were gonna struggle with FFP surely it would have been the first season we came up?

Unless we are thinking about possible European football now and the UEFA rules on FFP are more stringent?

Isn't there leeway the first year you come up, dwindling in subsequent years? Last year we broke even but the previous two summers and this we've comfortably spent more than received.

The owners might also be reasonably asking what sort of progress we've made for their investment since promotion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 15, 2022, 02:54:52 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

I dont think its about closely analysing Gerrard. Really last pre season when Smith was still in charge we more or less spent the Grealish money. Unless they didn’t trust Smith and now trust Gerrard, which would be concerning.

There was a discussion on one of the threads a couple of weeks ago, along the lines of Newcastle are going to get better, especially next year and Leicester, Wolves and to a lesser extent West Ham, might be fading, so really this season is the time we must push on. Only signing Carlos and Kamara as shoed in first teamers didnt feel ambitious enough for a club and owners with ambitions of Europe, and now with Carlos gone for the season the recruitment seems a bit threadbare. I still feel we have a team now to compete, but if we really want to push on, we simply have to get 2 or 3 quality players in before the end of August.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 15, 2022, 03:20:01 PM
As someone (I think it was PW) put it last year, we always seem to end the window a player short.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 15, 2022, 03:26:51 PM
I believe - based on nothing more than casually observing transfer windows develop over the last 10-15 years - that we did as much business as was possible early in the window, but that every other player we have an interest in is either not yet available, or only available when their current club has a replacement lined up.

I suspect, like in so many years before, there will be a flurry of activity as we get towards the end of the window, and that will free up players for potential moves. Including those in which we hold interest. It also seems to be the case more for forwards than other positions that deals happen late.  In recent times, Benteke, Kozak, Hogan, Abraham, and Baston - all signed on the LAST day of the transfer window.  Which suggests we either had to wait for them, or they weren't our first choices.  Very mixed results with the players in that list, but I use it purely to illustrate how we do sometimes leave it late and how it's not always within our control to get things done quickly.

I'd be very surprised if this were "it" for our summer dealings. Our net spend this summer is about £15m, so I just have a sneaking suspicion there is at least one big one coming...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 15, 2022, 03:34:05 PM
We underachieved last season because we were too open through midfield. Kamara looks like a very good option to address that which should both reduce how many goals we concede and help us counterattack more effectively. Just those changes could be worth 10-15 points over the season.

I  would like another option in midfield though because with Sanson and Nakamba looking unwanted I think we look light in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 15, 2022, 03:39:59 PM
I believe - based on nothing more than casually observing transfer windows develop over the last 10-15 years - that we did as much business as was possible early in the window, but that every other player we have an interest in is either not yet available, or only available when their current club has a replacement lined up.

I suspect, like in so many years before, there will be a flurry of activity as we get towards the end of the window, and that will free up players for potential moves. Including those in which we hold interest. It also seems to be the case more for forwards than other positions that deals happen late.  In recent times, Benteke, Kozak, Hogan, Abraham, and Baston - all signed on the LAST day of the transfer window.  Which suggests we either had to wait for them, or they weren't our first choices.  Very mixed results with the players in that list, but I use it purely to illustrate how we do sometimes leave it late and how it's not always within our control to get things done quickly.

I'd be very surprised if this were "it" for our summer dealings. Our net spend this summer is about £15m, so I just have a sneaking suspicion there is at least one big one coming...

Think it's equally likely that we had an interest in Phillips, Bissouma, Sangare, Tielemans etc but we were well  down their list of preferred options. A knock on effect of finishing 14th last season.

We have money, yes. But so do plenty of other clubs in and around us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2022, 03:43:27 PM
Somebody on Twitter mentioned earlier that our FFP might be an issue because of wages rather than transfer fees. He said we've added 4 players on £100k per week this year, and that there's probably not a lot of room to add another. I have no idea who he is or how he'd know that, mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AndyB6 on August 15, 2022, 03:49:11 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 15, 2022, 03:53:51 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 15, 2022, 03:57:25 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.

Digne must be on a big salary
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 15, 2022, 04:03:50 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.

Digne must be on a big salary
Has to be Cash, surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 15, 2022, 04:14:01 PM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course. 

He did only get injured a couple of days ago. At least give them chance to bring in a replacement if they feel they need to.

Okey dokey
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 15, 2022, 04:30:50 PM


Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.

Digne must be on a big salary
Has to be Cash, surely?

Nah, they probably get it paid into their bank accounts these days
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on August 15, 2022, 04:36:48 PM
Even if Carlos were fit, I'm not sure we look hugely stronger than last season in order to push on. There was a lot of positivity about getting the transfers done early (and admittedly I'm not really counting Coutinho or Olsen as they were here already), but it's been a bit disappointing since.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2022, 04:46:32 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.

Digne must be on a big salary
Has to be Cash, surely?

He's hardly one of the big-hitters of the squad, financially. I imagine his new contract made-up for the fact that he was on chickenfeed at Forest when we bought him so there was lots of ceiling to boost him up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 15, 2022, 04:55:34 PM
We underachieved last season because we were too open through midfield. Kamara looks like a very good option to address that which should both reduce how many goals we concede and help us counterattack more effectively. Just those changes could be worth 10-15 points over the season.
I  would like another option in midfield though because with Sanson and Nakamba looking unwanted I think we look light in there.
Agree with this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 15, 2022, 07:16:14 PM
It’s still the midfield for me we have major issues with. One injury away from having to use week in week out a group who havnt been good enough so far.
Sanson ain’t in favour
Luiz - personally don’t rate - don’t see what he offers
Ramsey - young and form will fluctuate
McGinn - been poor for a while

None of the above have anyone breathing down their neck to take their shirt off them. That’s a major major issue.
We need more than any other position a top top CM. Not only will it immediately improve the 11 but will also improve the midfield squad by giving genuine purpose/competition for a shirt
100% agree.
Any developments on your previous post about us being in for one of 4 top midfielders?
The ones I know we were interested in havnt left their clubs yet to anyone

Who are they?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AndyB6 on August 15, 2022, 08:32:14 PM
Digne must be on a big salary
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I completely forgot about Digne!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 15, 2022, 08:32:22 PM
As someone (I think it was PW) put it last year, we always seem to end the window a player short.

It's the common complaint from managers. Particularly British ones, think Bruce and MON. Usually leads to lob sided squads. Right backs in Bruce's case, thinking back MON had a bit of a fetish for that position too.

Our first team squad is far too big at the moment, not the only club with that problem but players should have to leave first (our wage bill must be colossal). Let Gerrard whinge, huge money spent on Kamara, Carlos, Coutinho and Digne. The last two are yet to convince.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 15, 2022, 09:25:03 PM
Who are the four? Coutinho, Carlos, Kamara, Ings?

That would be my guess.

Digne must be on a big salary

I listed a source that states Digne is on 163k a week highest earner.
On thread regards Villa salaries
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 15, 2022, 09:28:50 PM
With respect Footy, that list is utter bollocks. Ignore it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 15, 2022, 09:49:42 PM
With respect Footy, that list is utter bollocks. Ignore it.
Oh. Well I didn't intend to mislead anyone and I mean I made sure it was referenced. I guess we need to close the thread if it's false. Though did think there were some accurate readings like BK being 150k wage which was part of reason why we got him due to our generous wage offering.
I don't wish to be putting up wrong info.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 15, 2022, 11:06:50 PM
I am concerned that no club has come in with an offer for any Villa player on the not wanted list. World beaters they are not but most would be useful. It leaves us with a long list of players on decent wages that will not cotribute.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 15, 2022, 11:44:50 PM
That must be the problem. They're all paid too much on their current Villa deals for the clubs who are interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on August 16, 2022, 12:10:47 AM
Kamara looks a good signing.  But we need another defensive midfielder as cover knowing our luck. 
If we can another Kamara I think we have enough until January. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 16, 2022, 12:26:50 AM
Does anybody have any genuine insight into how these things are negotiated?

Presumably, as a business, we make the lowest pay offers we think will be acceptable, so players who have come through the academy or from Scotland/Belgium will start from a much lower base than signings from England/Germany/Spain.

Is it unreasonable to presume that, say McGinn, who was probably on maybe 10k a week at Hibs, would be on a lower salary than Digne, who was probably on a fair whack at Everton. Or do we make a serious effort to offer 'market value' in line with merit?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 16, 2022, 01:05:49 AM
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 16, 2022, 01:14:08 AM
The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

Or the engineered reverence for such clubs means that they manage to offload their rubbish by exploiting the 'if he's good enough to be signed by them...' fallacy.

Just think of the absolute shite Ferguson's Man Utd got a fee for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2022, 01:50:00 AM
To nowadays where Chelsea/Liverpool/Citeh get £15m/20m for players who've barely featured in their first team. A model that we are admirably beginning to emulate (ok, we wanted to keep Chuck but we're putting a system in place where there'll be more young fellas who we make big bucks on, who we've just outgrown).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 16, 2022, 03:01:54 AM
To nowadays where Chelsea/Liverpool/Citeh get £15m/20m for players who've barely featured in their first team. A model that we are admirably beginning to emulate (ok, we wanted to keep Chuck but we're putting a system in place where there'll be more young fellas who we make big bucks on, who we've just outgrown).

It's amazing, isn't it? I remember thinking it was insane when Shearer went for £15m, these days you wouldn't get a second choice right back for that.

A handful of clubs soaking up all of the talent across the continent, paying more per player than 95% of clubs are worth. I know we aspire to be among them, but sometimes I do wonder why.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 06:11:52 AM
I am concerned that no club has come in with an offer for any Villa player on the not wanted list. World beaters they are not but most would be useful. It leaves us with a long list of players on decent wages that will not cotribute.
There is an excess of players surplus to requirements across the Premier league and the secondary market ie Championship and European leagues has virtually disappeared.
The PL players are on higher salaries which makes it even more difficult to move them on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2022, 06:18:10 AM
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

I’d suggest that we are also at the bottom of the first tier where we pay the most outside the top six.  This means shifting players to the rest of the league and Europe is especially difficult because the players will be reluctant to take pay-cuts.  For the foreseeable we might have to accept losing a player every year or two to the big six and letting others go for negligible fees, just to keep the squad fresh and allow headroom for the youth players to grow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 16, 2022, 07:23:52 AM
The vultures are circling, West Ham will probaly lose Rice and Everton may lose Gordon before the close, Fortunately or unfortunately we do not have a player they would be interested in. That's why I take great small minded pleasure in seeing the United Manchester having what they would refer to as a second tier club take the proverbial piss out of them. It may be just a glitch, but I would dearly love to see them struggle all season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 16, 2022, 09:02:54 AM
This will be a problem for all premiership clubs outside of the top four, all other clubs will have to offer over the top salarys in the attempt to break in to Europe, then get stuck with unwanted players owing to the high payments. The top clubs for the most have only the best players, so can easily move them on.

I’d suggest that we are also at the bottom of the first tier where we pay the most outside the top six.  This means shifting players to the rest of the league and Europe is especially difficult because the players will be reluctant to take pay-cuts.  For the foreseeable we might have to accept losing a player every year or two to the big six and letting others go for negligible fees, just to keep the squad fresh and allow headroom for the youth players to grow.

Bloody depressing, but sadly we know our place and Everton got ideas above their station, to be swiftly put back down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 16, 2022, 09:48:25 AM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Didier Five on August 16, 2022, 10:05:03 AM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.

That would only be true if other teams didn't sign players to strengthen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 16, 2022, 10:15:31 AM
Whilst it is obviously disappointing that Carlos has picked up a nasty industry so early into his Villa career, it does show how much better the squad is. Last season the equivalent would be losing Mings and having Hause and Konsa for the season with no back up. This season we lose Carlos and have Mings and Chambers with Konsa on the bench. Strength in depth.

I am not the biggest fan of Mings, but he is a good defender if error prone. I also think he may do a lot better with Kamara in front of the defence anyway.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 10:20:13 AM
Obviously still a little while left, but with Carlos being out for the season and Bailey's league outings so far, our squad is looking mightily like the one that was so inconsistent last season.  I'm starting to wonder if the owners are looking closely at Gerrard, or it's just that their targets aren't willing / aren't allowed to come.  Or something else! 

I don't see what Carlos being out injured has anything to do with any of that.

It has a lot to do with the first sentence, don't you think?  Kamara will improve us no doubt, but that won't be enough to achieve what we all hope for in my opinion. 

I still don't get why you brought Carlos up. If you think we need more across the board, then fair comment,  maybe we do.

My point was that now he’s knackered, the team is only one (very promising) player better off than we we were for large parts of last season.  Don’t see it being enough to realistically hope for a wildly different outcome.  But, there is still time of course.

Well Gerrard apparently had us 9th from the time he arrived... So improvement to get to 8th should be possible with the one position we all wanted filled with Kamara.

Anyone else should see us push further on.

That would only be true if other teams didn't sign players to strengthen.

That's fair enough, but we always assume that when teams sign new players they get stronger, and that's not always the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2022, 11:01:40 AM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 16, 2022, 11:02:49 AM
I think for us to get top half we need another player or two in - most likely in midfield.

It’s a good squad but as it stands for us to finish top half would be a very good achievement currently with a rookie manager and things not clicking on the pitch often

A European challenge needs SG to learn quicker (or the players to learn) than he/they have been and a few new players in

Or 1 or two players raising to grealish type levels for the whole season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 16, 2022, 11:04:01 AM
Chambers especially, very good in the air, be a big plus at corners.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 16, 2022, 11:25:38 AM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.


If Hause is going, then it's nailed on we're getting another centre-back in.  Unless SG has been SO impressed with Feeney that he's happy having him as 4th choice centre-back this season - which seems like a REALLY big ask for a 17-year-old (impressive as he's been in his brief pre-season appearances).

He could of course be the next Gareth Barry and prove to be comfortable in the premier league at 17, but it's asking a lot!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 16, 2022, 11:34:55 AM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.


If Hause is going, then it's nailed on we're getting another centre-back in.  Unless SG has been SO impressed with Feeney that he's happy having him as 4th choice centre-back this season - which seems like a REALLY big ask for a 17-year-old (impressive as he's been in his brief pre-season appearances).

He could of course be the next Gareth Barry and prove to be comfortable in the premier league at 17, but it's asking a lot!

Unless we can get an experienced loanee I'd be tempted to go with this, I think Feeney will be a top player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 16, 2022, 11:46:00 AM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.


If Hause is going, then it's nailed on we're getting another centre-back in.  Unless SG has been SO impressed with Feeney that he's happy having him as 4th choice centre-back this season - which seems like a REALLY big ask for a 17-year-old (impressive as he's been in his brief pre-season appearances).

He could of course be the next Gareth Barry and prove to be comfortable in the premier league at 17, but it's asking a lot!

Unless we can get an experienced loanee I'd be tempted to go with this, I think Feeney will be a top player.

As do I, but being 4th choice centre-back means he's GOING to get league minutes at some point this season - not through choice in blooding him - but through necessity, as it's almost impossible for the three ahead of him to go an entire season without any sort of knock, and Konsa is just coming back from a lengthy lay-off.

If the club has seen enough of him in training and pre-season to believe he can handle it, then great.  But clearly, the plan WAS that he would be 5th choice this season, maybe with the odd cup appearance thrown in to help bring him along.

The other side is that I don't know who we could get to come in and be 4th choice knowing they are unlikely to get too many minutes if everything goes well this season injury-wise.

But hey, if the club wants to pip Chelsea to Fofana and make Chambers 4th choice I could live with it :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2022, 01:22:14 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 01:27:06 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on August 16, 2022, 01:37:00 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 01:45:09 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.
Good call.

He will definitely be seen in that Londons Celeb spots looking like a fanny.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2022, 01:46:30 PM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.

Linked with Duje Ćaleta-Car of Marseille.. no idea if there's any truth in it. Fee rumored to be around 9m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2022, 01:47:57 PM
Very easy link as we were scouting him for a lot of last season. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2022, 01:56:08 PM
Gordon does look like he could be Franny's son, now that you mention it. Talk about a player that faded away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 16, 2022, 01:56:52 PM
Linked with Daniele Rugani who's unwanted at Juventus and on their transfer list. Apparently Wolves enquired about him in 2019 and were quoted £30m. He's since fallen down their pecking order but is said to be versatile and have a good attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 16, 2022, 02:12:06 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

He's certainly ugly enough Daz!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 16, 2022, 02:27:02 PM
Speculation that Hause is in talks with Watford over a possible loan move. I trust that the club has replacements lined up first? We have a habit of letting players go before new players are in place.

Linked with Duje Ćaleta-Car of Marseille.. no idea if there's any truth in it. Fee rumored to be around 9m.

That's cheap, he's a decent player. I'd be more than happy with that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2022, 03:38:10 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

Jeffers had a lot more on his CV than Gordon at the time of his move. So had Ross Barkley. Both spectacular flops and careers in free fall pretty quickly afterwards. Everton have a new stadium to pay for that must require PL status to service the debt. Sell Gordon who has little more than potential from what I can see and get in some decent forwards might be a better bet for survival.

Chelsea appear to be in a last minute shopping dash buying anyone and everyone this summer. Like how would Chucky even get a sniff of an appearance up against maybe de Jong, Kovacic, Kante, Jorginho, Mount....he won't. Such a vile business model, stockpile these lads and loan them out for fees around Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 16, 2022, 04:00:20 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

Jeffers had a lot more on his CV than Gordon at the time of his move. So had Ross Barkley. Both spectacular flops and careers in free fall pretty quickly afterwards. Everton have a new stadium to pay for that must require PL status to service the debt. Sell Gordon who has little more than potential from what I can see and get in some decent forwards might be a better bet for survival.

Chelsea appear to be in a last minute shopping dash buying anyone and everyone this summer. Like how would Chucky even get a sniff of an appearance up against maybe de Jong, Kovacic, Kante, Jorginho, Mount....he won't. Such a vile business model, stockpile these lads and loan them out for fees around Europe.

Pretty obvious Chucks agent has been sold a pup. He’s getting nowhere near the first team anytime soon but I bet they said he would.  This is money men making money
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 04:11:33 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

Jeffers had a lot more on his CV than Gordon at the time of his move. So had Ross Barkley. Both spectacular flops and careers in free fall pretty quickly afterwards. Everton have a new stadium to pay for that must require PL status to service the debt. Sell Gordon who has little more than potential from what I can see and get in some decent forwards might be a better bet for survival.

Chelsea appear to be in a last minute shopping dash buying anyone and everyone this summer. Like how would Chucky even get a sniff of an appearance up against maybe de Jong, Kovacic, Kante, Jorginho, Mount....he won't. Such a vile business model, stockpile these lads and loan them out for fees around Europe.

Pretty obvious Chucks agent has been sold a pup. He’s getting nowhere near the first team anytime soon but I bet they said he would.  This is money men making money
I am sure his Agent full of remorse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 16, 2022, 04:15:58 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

Jeffers had a lot more on his CV than Gordon at the time of his move. So had Ross Barkley. Both spectacular flops and careers in free fall pretty quickly afterwards. Everton have a new stadium to pay for that must require PL status to service the debt. Sell Gordon who has little more than potential from what I can see and get in some decent forwards might be a better bet for survival.

Chelsea appear to be in a last minute shopping dash buying anyone and everyone this summer. Like how would Chucky even get a sniff of an appearance up against maybe de Jong, Kovacic, Kante, Jorginho, Mount....he won't. Such a vile business model, stockpile these lads and loan them out for fees around Europe.

Pretty obvious Chucks agent has been sold a pup. He’s getting nowhere near the first team anytime soon but I bet they said he would.  This is money men making money

CC is well and truly in for a rough road ahead.. Chelsea looks to have agreed a deal for Cesare Casadei (CM, 19 y/o) from Inter.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 16, 2022, 05:27:54 PM
I did feel sad/pissed-off reading about Chelsea's bid for Gordon, a floppy-haired kid with plenty of talent but showing it for his hometown club. On the back of their purchase of Chuck, the whole thing just feels rigged. And I know we do it at a lower level.

Why bother holding any player close to your heart when the vultures will pluck them as soon as they start paying attention they deem half-decent?

I know what you mean, but Everton are in a weak position to resist as a result of their own incompetence.

Will Gordon be the new Franny Jeffers if he moves south.

Jeffers had a lot more on his CV than Gordon at the time of his move. So had Ross Barkley. Both spectacular flops and careers in free fall pretty quickly afterwards. Everton have a new stadium to pay for that must require PL status to service the debt. Sell Gordon who has little more than potential from what I can see and get in some decent forwards might be a better bet for survival.

Chelsea appear to be in a last minute shopping dash buying anyone and everyone this summer. Like how would Chucky even get a sniff of an appearance up against maybe de Jong, Kovacic, Kante, Jorginho, Mount....he won't. Such a vile business model, stockpile these lads and loan them out for fees around Europe.

Pretty obvious Chucks agent has been sold a pup. He’s getting nowhere near the first team anytime soon but I bet they said he would.  This is money men making money
I am sure his Agent full of remorse.

While he fans himself with his millions
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 16, 2022, 06:35:41 PM
We're being linked with Callum Hudson-Odoi. Nor sure about this one. Seems an odd signing and is he even that good? What makes him better than Bertie?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 16, 2022, 06:42:16 PM
Cant see it - we dont play wingers. 

I wouldnt be surprised if we end up with conor gallagher, but not sure if he is actually any better than what we have. 

Pulisic wants out - I could get onboard with that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 16, 2022, 06:51:51 PM
Cant see it - we dont play wingers. 

I wouldnt be surprised if we end up with conor gallagher, but not sure if he is actually any better than what we have. 

Pulisic wants out - I could get onboard with that
He is better than sjm for starters

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 16, 2022, 07:08:44 PM
Gallagher looks a good player to me.

Hudson Odoi could be very good with decent run of games.

I really don't want Rob Holding

Fekir would be an interesting addition

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 16, 2022, 07:29:33 PM
We're being linked with Callum Hudson-Odoi. Nor sure about this one. Seems an odd signing and is he even that good? What makes him better than Bertie?



He's not a bad player really but whether we need him is another thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 16, 2022, 07:31:45 PM
Gallagher looks a good player to me.

Hudson Odoi could be very good with decent run of games.

I really don't want Rob Holding

Fekir would be an interesting addition



I've only skimmed the thread, so apologies if this is old news, but have we been linked with Fekir?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 07:32:57 PM
Gallagher looks a good player to me.

Hudson Odoi could be very good with decent run of games.

I really don't want Rob Holding

Fekir would be an interesting addition



I've only skimmed the thread, so apologies if this is old news, but have we been linked with Fekir?

who the Fekir ??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 16, 2022, 08:46:13 PM
First I’ve heard about Fekir, can’t see that with Buendia and Coutinho  on board. If there’s any truth in Forrest after Aouar that could be worth a look.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 16, 2022, 08:59:44 PM
Fekir would be an interesting addition

As long as he doesn't bring Delph back with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 16, 2022, 09:03:27 PM
Fekir would be an interesting addition

As long as he doesn't bring Delph back with him.

Yes, one Fekir would be quite enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 16, 2022, 09:11:24 PM
To think we started this thread with £60 million rumour for phillips
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 09:18:58 PM
To think we started this thread with £60 million rumour for phillips


would have paid too much 😃
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 16, 2022, 09:48:45 PM
Yeah loads of rumours around but none on reliable sources so most probably made up. Still think an athletic, dominant centre mid should be priority. CF would be very useful and a CB wouldn’t be a bad idea as well now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 16, 2022, 10:48:42 PM
Cant see it - we dont play wingers. 

I wouldnt be surprised if we end up with conor gallagher, but not sure if he is actually any better than what we have. 

Pulisic wants out - I could get onboard with that
He is better than sjm for starters

I agree he is better, but he’s better at playing a position that does not seem to suit Gerrard’s tactics.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 16, 2022, 10:53:24 PM
I’ve a horrible feeling we are done for this window.  Would be underwhelming if true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 16, 2022, 11:14:43 PM
I’ve a horrible feeling we are done for this window.  Would be underwhelming if true.

Incredibly underwhelming, another season written off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 16, 2022, 11:17:07 PM
Yeah loads of rumours around but none on reliable sources so most probably made up. Still think an athletic, dominant centre mid should be priority. CF would be very useful and a CB wouldn’t be a bad idea as well now.
Agree re: ‘dominant centre mid’. Onana looked good in his cameo at the weekend. I can’t suggest any names, but someone from that mould would do nicely. Unfortunately we are falling over fairly similar players (to each other) in our squad. I can’t see us bringing in another top level midfielder without reducing numbers. Ideally we would have shipped-out Sanson and Nakamba by now. I like Sanson, but can’t see him getting any game time, and I’d prefer to develop Iroegbunam than persevere with Nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 16, 2022, 11:23:44 PM
I’ve a horrible feeling we are done for this window.  Would be underwhelming if true.

Incredibly underwhelming, another season written off.
Yes, we always seem to be one player away from solving the problems that we all know exist. It’s difficult though if you can’t get players off your books - I have sympathy with the club’s hierarchy on that. The messaging since immediately after Carlos and Kamara were signed was that players needed to leave before more signings were made. That simply hasn’t happened to a sufficient extent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 16, 2022, 11:24:22 PM
apparently lange was at the blues watford game .  Does he take in games for the hell of it .  if not who would he be watching?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 16, 2022, 11:56:48 PM
Deeney
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2022, 01:21:11 AM
Keinan
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 17, 2022, 02:02:03 AM
Sarr? Matt Targett is still having nightmares about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 17, 2022, 02:26:41 AM
Maybe he just wanted to meet Elton John.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 17, 2022, 04:42:15 AM
Maybe he just wanted to meet Elton John.
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Sarr? He seems to be the hardest word.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2022, 06:07:37 AM
Neither Sarr nor Deeney played. Joao Pedro might have been watched, young Brazilian striker at Watford. Lot of potential reportedly but not seen enough to have an opinion either way on him.

If we are done, then I can see there being some issues down the line with Gerrard and the board over backing. To essentially go into the season with 1 first team signing on a free transfer is worrying. As I said a few pages back, there either has to be a FFP issue on wages, or we are see the move from the owners to a "more sustainable" model and making up the numbers has become the height of our ambition for the time being, because this squad is 9th-17th, best/ worst case scenario.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2022, 07:12:27 AM
We didn't go into the season with one free signing. We paid £26m for a highly rated defender who very unluckily got badly injured in his second game. We paid £17m for Countino,  as well as bringing in a left back on loan and made Olsen's move permanent. Lets just see what happens if one or two players move on. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 17, 2022, 07:27:19 AM
We didn't go into the season with one free signing. We paid £26m for a highly rated defender who very unluckily got badly injured in his second game. We paid £17m for Countino,  as well as bringing in a left back on loan and made Olsen's move permanent. Lets just see what happens if one or two players move on. 
... and one 'free' signing in Kamara (i.e. we didn't pay the selling club a fee).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 17, 2022, 08:15:11 AM
apparently lange was at the blues watford game .  Does he take in games for the hell of it .  if not who would he be watching?
Finalise Hause loan
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 17, 2022, 08:19:37 AM
Neither Sarr nor Deeney played. Joao Pedro might have been watched, young Brazilian striker at Watford. Lot of potential reportedly but not seen enough to have an opinion either way on him.

If we are done, then I can see there being some issues down the line with Gerrard and the board over backing. To essentially go into the season with 1 first team signing on a free transfer is worrying. As I said a few pages back, there either has to be a FFP issue on wages, or we are see the move from the owners to a "more sustainable" model and making up the numbers has become the height of our ambition for the time being, because this squad is 9th-17th, best/ worst case scenario.
Don’t think it is about ambition - but agree that I think SG would have expected more.  I  think we do have a bloated squad and I think it’s the lack of outgoings combined with the lack of being able to attract players significantly better.

Squads good - think it’s down the coaching staff to see us get a top half finish
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on August 17, 2022, 08:27:49 AM
I hear there's this forward called Hogan who scored last week. Must be on a hot streak.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 17, 2022, 08:31:45 AM
We are not done yet, absolutely not.
Players moving out is needed.
I still think we have a blockbuster or two under our belts but they are waiting for better offer because 14th placed aston villa with a rookie manager isn't the best prospect or easiest sell to over seas players. Let's face it a lot of them were not even born the last time we were in Europe.

Time will tell but this squad here is 1 or 2 injuries from relegation and the owners will not let that happen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 17, 2022, 08:32:22 AM
I think right back might be an issue if Cash picks up an injury (didn't he go off last week towards the end?).

I'm sure Gerrad would like a couple more in but I can't see it being an issue that Ozzjim suggests it might be.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 17, 2022, 08:55:05 AM
I dont think we need to question the owners ambitions.  They just dont seem the type to settle for second best

I think there is a believe within the club that for much of the time since we came up we have underachieved.   And I think thats a fair assessment - on paper our squad is pretty strong. 

So I think there is a believe that transfers is not the only way to improve, hence why we have invested heavily in the coaching staff.

They have shown that they are happy to invest in the market at the right times - but I dont think they want to stock pile more of the same, and certainly want to move some players on.

Palace, will be interesting, as its first time we have come up against a club that is also targetting top half.  After that a run of West Ham, Man City and Arsenal will give us a reall good picture of where we are. 

I think there maybe be another defender, and a top midfielder or CF, but I think if we get nothing from Palace and West Ham, then maybe we will go a bit harder
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 17, 2022, 09:02:26 AM
I don’t doubt the owners ambition, they have been exemplary.
There is no point in filling up the squad with the wrong players, the decisions are still about improving the first team and I do not think that is going to be easy. I would expect that we are operating to a budget which probably means we need to get some wages off the books.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2022, 09:14:13 AM
I don’t doubt the owners ambition, they have been exemplary.
There is no point in filling up the squad with the wrong players, the decisions are still about improving the first team and I do not think that is going to be easy. I would expect that we are operating to a budget which probably means we need to get some wages off the books.

And the collapsed secondary market is not helping there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on August 17, 2022, 09:14:35 AM
Throw stupid money at Palace for Eberechi Eze and be done with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2022, 09:21:15 AM
Throw stupid money at Palace for Eberechi Eze and be done with it.

Or Olise.

I'm a bit pissed off they ended up with both, I remember seeing both in Championship games and thinking straight away that they were clearly above what was around them like Jack was. Maybe they're both happy to stay in London, who knows?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on August 17, 2022, 09:40:22 AM
Throw stupid money at Palace for Eberechi Eze and be done with it.

Or Olise.

I'm a bit pissed off they ended up with both, I remember seeing both in Championship games and thinking straight away that they were clearly above what was around them like Jack was. Maybe they're both happy to stay in London, who knows?

I ike what Viera is doing down at Palace, he has got a decent squad down there and I think they will definitely make top ten. He is creating a team cast very much in the same mould he was as a player, big strong athletic type of players that don't get knocked off the ball easy.

With regards to Eze, Viera seems to have changed his position this season from an attacking midfield role to now becoming more of a box to box type of player.

I like him. He is going to be some player this season and this is exactly the type of player that we should be looking at and possibly manage to buy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 17, 2022, 09:45:32 AM
I think there is a believe within the club that for much of the time since we came up we have underachieved.   And I think thats a fair assessment - on paper our squad is pretty strong. 

I just don't think our squad, by premier league-standards, is particularly strong. Now, there are loads of quality footballers in it but the same can be said for our competition. And many clubs have done much more in the window than we have.

We'll see where we are in a couple of weeks but if we don't add 2-3 quality additions I'll be disappointed. If we don't properly kick-on this season, I fear we'll miss the opportunity Covid and the general state of football finances has presented us with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2022, 09:45:45 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2022, 10:11:43 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears. 

I think there is probably a degree of truth in that, the only bit I would be not so sure on is the Newcastle part, it's no longer possible to rock up and do what Man City did financially, at least not with the dodginess they used.

Our squad is much better than it used to be, we've improved it, but we don't exist in a vacuum - everyone else has too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 17, 2022, 10:21:02 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 17, 2022, 10:31:38 AM
And Howe is far superior to SG, IMO. 

I think we are suffering from the owners putting faith in our CEO and his fan boy pick.  I'll be really delighted to be wrong and eat lots of humble pie, but I don't think it will end well for SG at Villa, and maybe not Purslow by association.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 17, 2022, 10:32:19 AM
We're talking Palace up as expecting top ten, they were one of the favourites to go down at the start of last season and it's not like they've been buying loads of players. If anything losing Gallagher has made them weaker, and they've got a manager with less experience than our inexperienced manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 17, 2022, 10:43:46 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.

And yet we took 6 points off Brighton and 4 points off Palace last season. Brentford are Brentford to us, which hopefully we’ll correct this season.

Im not saying we don’t need to continue to improve our squad, i think we need to add a couple more players to try and break that top 8/top 6 this season, but God we really do like to talk other clubs up sometimes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2022, 10:46:45 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.

And yet we took 6 points off Brighton and 4 points off Palace last season. Brentford are Brentford to us, which hopefully we’ll correct this season.

Im not saying we don’t need to continue to improve our squad, i think we need to add a couple more players to try and break that top 8/top 6 this season, but God we really do like to talk other clubs up sometimes.

Those couple of players are going to need to be world class to break the top six.

We haven't broken the top half of the table for over a decade, let alone the top six or eight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 17, 2022, 10:54:59 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.

And yet we took 6 points off Brighton and 4 points off Palace last season. Brentford are Brentford to us, which hopefully we’ll correct this season.

Im not saying we don’t need to continue to improve our squad, i think we need to add a couple more players to try and break that top 8/top 6 this season, but God we really do like to talk other clubs up sometimes.

I'm not talking them up, I'm just using them as one example as they finished above us last year, and IMO are similar to use in ambitions for this season. Those teams I just used as comparatives as they finished above us and I'd like to think we are able to finish above them this year.

Just my opinion but what I've seen so far of Viera, he's done a better job of SG. Albeit with more time in post absolutely, but he had to buy half a new team and as you say they were tipped to go down and finished above us.

I guess my original point was that I agree the squad is more than good enough to be pushing to the top 8, but I wonder if the manager is getting the most of the players.
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Vegas on August 17, 2022, 11:01:22 AM
We have added a free transfer (admittedly one who looks great), a backup left back and keeper, and a now-injured centre back, to the side who finished with 2 wins in 12.

At face value there’s not much to suggest we should be much higher than 14th again.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Vegas on August 17, 2022, 11:11:45 AM
I also don’t agree with the view that we’re one or two players from really challenging the top 4-6.

I think most / all of our front 6 are not of that level (maybe except Kamara, but very early days).

I like the building blocks we’re putting in place, am excited to see some of our younger players come through, and an optimistic about Kamara, Buendia and Bailey this year, but I think in assessing SG in particular sone of us are at risk of deeming anything less than 7-8th as failure when I really don’t think it is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 17, 2022, 11:19:12 AM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.

And yet we took 6 points off Brighton and 4 points off Palace last season. Brentford are Brentford to us, which hopefully we’ll correct this season.

Im not saying we don’t need to continue to improve our squad, i think we need to add a couple more players to try and break that top 8/top 6 this season, but God we really do like to talk other clubs up sometimes.

Those couple of players are going to need to be world class to break the top six.

We haven't broken the top half of the table for over a decade, let alone the top six or eight.

Agreed.  The stated ambition / plan is Europe, so we do need those players to arrive soon. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 17, 2022, 11:31:06 AM
To be honest - unless a lot more incomings I think 10th - 12th would be a good achievement for SG.  Lets be honest, its only those associated with the club that takes our stated aims seriously - noone else is looking at us a threat to the establishment.  I wonder how much is just PR

I think Phil, Emi x 2, maybe Kamara and Ramsey if he continues to develop could be top 6 players.  That said, at one point I thought Konsa could be top quality
I think the rest are mid table quality - and likely at their ceilings - hence why I was so surprised that McGinn became captain, as I think we need that to move on.

I cant see SG going anywhere anytime soon - I think we have to hope that he works it out sooner rather than later.  Everton gave us something to work on
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 17, 2022, 11:38:43 AM
We're talking Palace up as expecting top ten, they were one of the favourites to go down at the start of last season and it's not like they've been buying loads of players. If anything losing Gallagher has made them weaker, and they've got a manager with less experience than our inexperienced manager.

Must be Vieira's 33.33% win percentage since he took over that's impressing everyone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 17, 2022, 11:45:51 AM
last season 7 points of 8th place ,  so it is quite tight , I do not think we are a million miles away with a bit more consistency and cohesion .  However not seen anything of that yet 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2022, 12:27:17 PM
We're talking Palace up as expecting top ten, they were one of the favourites to go down at the start of last season and it's not like they've been buying loads of players. If anything losing Gallagher has made them weaker, and they've got a manager with less experience than our inexperienced manager.

Must be Vieira's 33.33% win percentage since he took over that's impressing everyone.

In the 27 games in the league that Gerrard was in charge for this year, he got 35 points, 9th in the form table. Not brilliant, but still better than the 33 points that West Ham and Palace got, and the 34 that Brighton got. The only team that punched above their weight during that time were Newcastle with 44.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 17, 2022, 12:28:38 PM
We're talking Palace up as expecting top ten, they were one of the favourites to go down at the start of last season and it's not like they've been buying loads of players. If anything losing Gallagher has made them weaker, and they've got a manager with less experience than our inexperienced manager.

Must be Vieira's 33.33% win percentage since he took over that's impressing everyone.

It's 4% less than SG and it was widely remarked that they'd be going down cos they had to sign half a new team last season.

In any rate,  I only mentioned Palace cos they finished above us last year and I think we have a better squad than them so was using an example. Not saying Viera is the messiah but he certainly has done a decent job for them considering.  I think anyways
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2022, 12:30:28 PM
Well we had 10 points from 11 games when Smith was potted, so highly possible we'd have been in a relegation battle as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 17, 2022, 12:34:00 PM
last season 7 points of 8th place ,  so it is quite tight , I do not think we are a million miles away with a bit more consistency and cohesion .  However not seen anything of that yet 

That doesn't sound like a lot of points to make up, but in reality it (frustratingly) actually is.  We will need all of our players consistently playing at their top level to get that high up the table, and better players in key positions to get any higher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 17, 2022, 12:34:52 PM
Without any evidence or rationale for my view but I’m wondering if this is the man Citeh moment all over again.  This time Newcastle.  Add to that Grealish going when he did knocked the stuffing out of us to the degree where the ambitions may have been downgraded.  The squad is not as good as it appears.

I think the squad is pretty decent, the main problem at the moment is that very few players ever seem to be in great form and too infrequently do we look better than the sum of our parts. The teams with similar squad quality to us have a more clear identity/style, which is either because their managers have been there for much longer, or because they have better managers, or both.

I'm referring to Palace/Brentford/Brighton and probably Newcastle as well, but obviously Howe came in at the same time as SG.

And yet we took 6 points off Brighton and 4 points off Palace last season. Brentford are Brentford to us, which hopefully we’ll correct this season.

Im not saying we don’t need to continue to improve our squad, i think we need to add a couple more players to try and break that top 8/top 6 this season, but God we really do like to talk other clubs up sometimes.

Those couple of players are going to need to be world class to break the top six.

We haven't broken the top half of the table for over a decade, let alone the top six or eight.

I said top 8/6.

You have Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and now Arsenal that look miles away, who else is miles and miles in front of us after this, if we added another couple of quality players. Leicester currently are not what they were, West Ham have been  better than us and maybe again, but also may be in a period of transition. Newcastle will be thereabouts, but this season they shouldn’t be miles ahead of us, next season and the season after may be a different matter. Manure are a car crash currently and not assured a top 6 finish by any means.

Then you have us, Palace, Brighton, Wolves who want to move into the territories currently or previously occupied by Wolves, West Ham, Leicester etc.

We had a poor season last year, but we have some good players and don’t think we should presume teams like Brighton, Wolves, Palace etc will be better than us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 17, 2022, 12:47:00 PM
Has Traore gone?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 17, 2022, 12:48:54 PM
Call me old fashioned but surely possible
for our coaching team to get more out of current cohort rather than spunking out more on transfer fees.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 17, 2022, 01:02:47 PM
Call me old fashioned but surely possible
for our coaching team to get more out of current cohort rather than spunking out more on transfer fees.

I'm old fashioned as well then!  This for me too.
McGinn is a strange one, he's seen as someone the "bigger" clubs might try and buy and SG has made him skipper, whereas most of us that watch us all the time think he was really poor for most of last season, and he was horrendous against Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2022, 01:05:02 PM
It’s not binary - we need the coaching staff to get more out of what we have, but we also need some quality additions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 17, 2022, 01:10:49 PM
We are not done yet, absolutely not.
Players moving out is needed.
I still think we have a blockbuster or two under our belts but they are waiting for better offer because 14th placed aston villa with a rookie manager isn't the best prospect or easiest sell to over seas players. Let's face it a lot of them were not even born the last time we were in Europe.

Time will tell but this squad here is 1 or 2 injuries from relegation and the owners will not let that happen

We signing twelve year olds? We last played in Europe in 2010-11 and managed to beat Ajax in our 2008-2009 European run.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 17, 2022, 01:38:32 PM
Well we had 10 points from 11 games when Smith was potted, so highly possible we'd have been in a relegation battle as well.

It's very difficult to tell over that small a sample. For example, we still had two games against each of Norwich, Burnley, Leeds. With the margin that small, the 14 points we picked up against these very poor teams under Gerrard makes a huge difference to his points per game, and maybe skews the data a bit. In a league this competitive, matches where we are clear favourites to win are few and far between.

We certainly improved under Gerrard initially, but we have only got 12 points from our last 11 games, so it is very difficult to measure exactly how much better we have got. Hopefully, our next 11 will yield the 16/17 points we need to be averaging to get in the top 8 this season. It's certainly possible, but we need to improve quickly or we will give ourselves too much to do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2022, 01:54:44 PM
7-8 points would’ve been easier if we hadn’t taken 1 point from Brentford (admittedly 1 more point than  usual), 0 points at home or away to Watford, 0 points against Wolves, 0 points against West Ham, all teams we should be beating or aspiring to beat to get to where we supposedly belong. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 17, 2022, 02:07:32 PM
7-8 points would’ve been easier if we hadn’t taken 1 point from Brentford (admittedly 1 more point than  usual), 0 points at home or away to Watford, 0 points against Wolves, 0 points against West Ham, all teams we should be beating or aspiring to beat to get to where we supposedly belong. 

Absolutely. But as if to articulate how difficult it is to compare Smith and Gerrard last season, the total that Smith got from those games was more than Gerrard got in those reverse fixtures (albeit Smith had the majority at home, while Gerrard had them away).

Comparing them isn't very helpful, it turns out. The only thing that matters is whether Gerrard is going to get us into the top 8 this season, and where we need to strengthen the squad to enable him to do that. I was pretty confident a month or so ago, and now I'm back to being worried. We need a couple of wins and a couple of signings to get a bit of enthusiasm going again, or it could be a hard slog until the World Cup break.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 17, 2022, 02:55:33 PM
On our showings so far, I don’t think we’re anywhere near to finishing top 8. We still need another outstanding midfielder and a striker that’s going to get us 15/20 goals a season.
Talksport had 12 minutes to update transfers but must have used up 9 of those minutes talking about Manure. Nothing ever changes and, of course, Villa weren’t mentioned at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2022, 03:44:04 PM
On our showings so far, I don’t think we’re anywhere near to finishing top 8. We still need another outstanding midfielder and a striker that’s going to get us 15/20 goals a season.
Talksport had 12 minutes to update transfers but must have used up 9 of those minutes talking about Manure. Nothing ever changes and, of course, Villa weren’t mentioned at all.

Somebody's got to finish top 8 though, and outside of Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal there doesn't appear to be much in it. The teams who finished 6-8 last season were Man U, West Ham and Leicester, none of whom are in great shape so far this season. After that it was Brighton and Wolves in 9th and 10th, and Gerrard got more points than all of them except Leicester and Man U during the 27 games he was in charge.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 17, 2022, 03:46:22 PM

I'm old fashioned as well then!  This for me too.
McGinn is a strange one, he's seen as someone the "bigger" clubs might try and buy and SG has made him skipper, whereas most of us that watch us all the time think he was really poor for most of last season, and he was horrendous against Bournemouth.
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McGinn needs a couple of games on the bench for our fans to think he is a World beater? Sansom is great now he isn't in the squad?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 17, 2022, 03:50:38 PM
I think the gap between 10th and 6th in the premiership is bigger than the gap between mid table championship club and 10th in the premiership to make up
That’s why you need the right squad and right manager everything has to be pretty much rolling in the right direction

I think the squad is good enough to break into the top half this season
In fact I’m hoping for a bit more but then I always am

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 17, 2022, 05:52:57 PM
We keep being told how rich our owners are but, from reports I’ve been reading, it looks like we are looking for a cheap option to replace Diego Carlos. As far as other possible signings go, we are linked with plenty but, I doubt if I’ve heard of any of them.
If we are really serious about taking the next step up, we really could do with starting to look at players at least double our usual £15/£25 million we pay for players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 17, 2022, 06:20:30 PM
We do seem to be going down the 'start early and fizzle out' approach to the transfer window again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 17, 2022, 06:22:39 PM
We keep being told how rich our owners are but, from reports I’ve been reading, it looks like we are looking for a cheap option to replace Diego Carlos. As far as other possible signings go, we are linked with plenty but, I doubt if I’ve heard of any of them.
If we are really serious about taking the next step up, we really could do with starting to look at players at least double our usual £15/£25 million we pay for players.

nobody other than chelsea/man city/liverpool is chucking that much money on single players and it's a bit of a pickle for the CB situation as we just shelled out almost £30mil on a player who we obviously saw as a mainstay, and will be back next year so do you spend another £30mil for someone else which would definitely unsettle mings and could push konsa out of the door.

I'd guess we still have money to spend on midfield, possibly a forward and so will be looking at cheaper alternatives for CB.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 17, 2022, 06:44:58 PM
There's no team anywhere whose fans don't think they need another player or two to improve.

Virtually everyone felt that we finished below where we should have done. Most felt we were short of a central midfielder, which we've now got.

To challenge for the league we probably need another 4 to 6 players who would go straight in to the first team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 17, 2022, 07:21:46 PM
We are not done yet, absolutely not.
Players moving out is needed.
I still think we have a blockbuster or two under our belts but they are waiting for better offer because 14th placed aston villa with a rookie manager isn't the best prospect or easiest sell to over seas players. Let's face it a lot of them were not even born the last time we were in Europe.

Time will tell but this squad here is 1 or 2 injuries from relegation and the owners will not let that happen

We signing twelve year olds? We last played in Europe in 2010-11 and managed to beat Ajax in our 2008-2009 European run.

Please don't try and class our two year in a row getting humiliated by the galatians of rapid wiena as European qualification.

A 20 year old was realisticly 6 or 7 the last time we played in Europe proper. As a 7 year old how many matches of sampdoria or monaco do you remember from Europe back then? How is someone from Brazil or Argentina who is a massive hot prospect going to know who we are based on a few European outings interspersed with relegation and a few truly shambolic seasons.

My point was we really need to raise our profile as we have been off the wider European radar for decades and I dont want us to be shopping in the bargain basement for the players like Barkley and Dominic Calverton lewen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 17, 2022, 07:29:04 PM
I think the visibility of the PL will ensure that young players know who we are. At the height of Serie A's pulling power we lost two of our best players to Bari.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 17, 2022, 07:45:49 PM
There's no team anywhere whose fans don't think they need another player or two to improve.

Virtually everyone felt that we finished below where we should have done. Most felt we were short of a central midfielder, which we've now got.

To challenge for the league we probably need another 4 to 6 players who would go straight in to the first team.
Agree 100%.

Don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect Gerrard to improve on last season even without reinforcements - the first team squad is still comprised of players who either haven't reached their peak years yet, or have just entered them.

Time to start showing that we're not just pissing our money up the wall now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on August 17, 2022, 08:06:51 PM
Jason Denayer on a free anyone or is that yesterday's news?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 17, 2022, 11:52:22 PM
We keep being told how rich our owners are but, from reports I’ve been reading, it looks like we are looking for a cheap option to replace Diego Carlos. As far as other possible signings go, we are linked with plenty but, I doubt if I’ve heard of any of them.
If we are really serious about taking the next step up, we really could do with starting to look at players at least double our usual £15/£25 million we pay for players.

nobody other than chelsea/man city/liverpool is chucking that much money on single players and it's a bit of a pickle for the CB situation as we just shelled out almost £30mil on a player who we obviously saw as a mainstay, and will be back next year so do you spend another £30mil for someone else which would definitely unsettle mings and could push konsa out of the door.

I'd guess we still have money to spend on midfield, possibly a forward and so will be looking at cheaper alternatives for CB.



Aren't wolves about to spend £38 million on a portiegyse midfielder? Didn't west ham spend £30 mill on a defender?Haven't forest bid £40 Mill for gibbs white? They're all spending these sorts of funds and more worryingly for me, as I tried to point thr other day, I'd they're doing it without selling to raise the funds......and they're already finishing above us!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 17, 2022, 11:58:14 PM
The owners have set the expectations, not the fans and In my opinion they're failing short of the level of investment to even give themselves a chance. If this was Doug or Lerner that was saying about getting in to Europe having just broke even across the last 3 transfer windows and had a 14th place finish there would be uproar. I forecast peoples opinions will change once we've finished around 9th-14th for the next 2 seasons. Obviously, I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2022, 12:16:19 AM
Jason Denayer on a free anyone or is that yesterday's news?

Who is he? He sounds like an actor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: charlatan on August 18, 2022, 12:59:35 AM
Someone who claims not to be called Jason?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on August 18, 2022, 03:15:48 AM
To challenge for the league we probably need another 4 to 6 players who would go straight in to the first team.

For the league!? I think not. Our best player in decades can hardly get on the pitch at Man City.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 18, 2022, 04:18:57 AM
To challenge for the league we probably need another 4 to 6 players who would go straight in to the first team.

For the league!? I think not. Our best player in decades can hardly get on the pitch at Man City.

I agree. Even if we bought in four elite players to go into our starting eleven it wouldn’t be enough. It’s as much a squad game now as it’s ever been.

Incremental steps are the order of the day. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2022, 05:52:13 AM
They’ve got two weeks to sort it out otherwise it’s going to be another mega frustrating season.
Issue currently is our wage ceiling, targets we are after fall outside of that price bracket. Seems we’re holding off to see if demands alter in last two weeks now.

Concern I have is the club seem quite happy with the approach of “if it’s not our main target then we’re happy to walk/away/wait” we won’t sign anyone just to add to numbers sake

Unless we are active with some further quality then I fear for the season for a few reasons. Could easily see a situation where Gerard basically carry’s the can for poor results in winter time as squad quality (midfield) is not good enough for the season expectations

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2022, 05:53:01 AM
last season 7 points of 8th place ,  so it is quite tight , I do not think we are a million miles away with a bit more consistency and cohesion .  However not seen anything of that yet 

That doesn't sound like a lot of points to make up, but in reality it (frustratingly) actually is.  We will need all of our players consistently playing at their top level to get that high up the table, and better players in key positions to get any higher.

The reality is also that most of those middle pack team have added 3-4 starters and are stronger
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 18, 2022, 06:12:54 AM
They’ve got two weeks to sort it out otherwise it’s going to be another mega frustrating season.
Issue currently is our wage ceiling, targets we are after fall outside of that price bracket. Seems we’re holding off to see if demands alter in last two weeks now.

Concern I have is the club seem quite happy with the approach of “if it’s not our main target then we’re happy to walk/away/wait” we won’t sign anyone just to add to numbers sake

Unless we are active with some further quality then I fear for the season for a few reasons. Could easily see a situation where Gerard basically carry’s the can for poor results in winter time as squad quality (midfield) is not good enough for the season expectations

But haven’t you answered your own question there, Vinnie? If the quality isn’t there within our remit, what’s the point adding squad filler. Surely we don’t want to end up with our hands tied so that went a top target within our remit is available we can’t pounce.

First and foremost we need to be doing better with what we’ve got and that is on Gerrard to manage.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2022, 06:17:35 AM
They’ve got two weeks to sort it out otherwise it’s going to be another mega frustrating season.
Issue currently is our wage ceiling, targets we are after fall outside of that price bracket. Seems we’re holding off to see if demands alter in last two weeks now.

Concern I have is the club seem quite happy with the approach of “if it’s not our main target then we’re happy to walk/away/wait” we won’t sign anyone just to add to numbers sake

Unless we are active with some further quality then I fear for the season for a few reasons. Could easily see a situation where Gerard basically carry’s the can for poor results in winter time as squad quality (midfield) is not good enough for the season expectations

But haven’t you answered your own question there, Vinnie? If the quality isn’t there within our remit, what’s the point adding squad filler. Surely we don’t want to end up with our hands tied so that went a top target within our remit is available we can’t pounce.

First and foremost we need to be doing better with what we’ve got and that is on Gerrard to manage.

Totally agree. It’s just a concern thinking we won’t get our men in cause at the minute we’re way off from the starting quality we need to really push on this season.
Our rivals have all strengthened - wolves especially
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 18, 2022, 06:32:00 AM
They’ve got two weeks to sort it out otherwise it’s going to be another mega frustrating season.
Issue currently is our wage ceiling, targets we are after fall outside of that price bracket. Seems we’re holding off to see if demands alter in last two weeks now.

Concern I have is the club seem quite happy with the approach of “if it’s not our main target then we’re happy to walk/away/wait” we won’t sign anyone just to add to numbers sake

Unless we are active with some further quality then I fear for the season for a few reasons. Could easily see a situation where Gerard basically carry’s the can for poor results in winter time as squad quality (midfield) is not good enough for the season expectations

But haven’t you answered your own question there, Vinnie? If the quality isn’t there within our remit, what’s the point adding squad filler. Surely we don’t want to end up with our hands tied so that went a top target within our remit is available we can’t pounce.

First and foremost we need to be doing better with what we’ve got and that is on Gerrard to manage.

Totally agree. It’s just a concern thinking we won’t get our men in cause at the minute we’re way off from the starting quality we need to really push on this season.
Our rivals have all strengthened - wolves especially

If we’d have come off the back of a good season, our options would have been different. Last summer Bunedia turned down Arsenal for us as we were looking like progressing. I don’t blame the club for holding off to really shift when the time is right if this is the strategy of the hierarchy. Gerrard has already had significant investment on an already decent squad. We need to see him produce more and then invest on the back of a decent season. People may issues with Ings, Buendia and Bailey, but there’s no way they join us summer ‘22 as opposed to summer ‘21. People forget that Ings was a serious consideration for Spurs and Citeh last summer before we moved. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2022, 07:03:20 AM
Ings was a serious consideration for Spurs and Citeh?

Really?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 18, 2022, 07:06:13 AM
Ings was a serious consideration for Spurs and Citeh?

Really?

Yes https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/danny-ings-tottenham-transfer-harry-kane-future-southampton-striker-1102295

And yes https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12253648/transfer-news-man-city-interested-in-danny-ings-as-sergio-agueros-potential-successor-this-summer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2022, 07:14:26 AM
Ings was a serious consideration for Spurs and Citeh?

Really?

Yes https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/danny-ings-tottenham-transfer-harry-kane-future-southampton-striker-1102295

And yes https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12253648/transfer-news-man-city-interested-in-danny-ings-as-sergio-agueros-potential-successor-this-summer
There are hundreds of these types of articles written, if people want to believe them then fine.
What we do know is that he was a “serious consideration “ for Villa because we signed him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 18, 2022, 08:02:46 AM
Some of the challenge is that out of the 3 30m signings last summer only 1 starts per game

Like one of the poster said above it’s a difficult sale to players this year as it doesn’t look  like we’re going anywhere exciting currently.

Also - we know SG would want to replace a lot of the players and that has had to be discussed at the time of the appointment. 

It’s pointless being in a manager who works in one way and then not let him work in that way
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 18, 2022, 08:17:52 AM
Our bench v Palace is likely to have Konsa, Bailey, Ings, Luiz and Coutinho on it. There aren't that many outside the top 4 with that kind of quality/wage bill sitting on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 18, 2022, 08:25:51 AM
We keep being told how rich our owners are but, from reports I’ve been reading, it looks like we are looking for a cheap option to replace Diego Carlos. As far as other possible signings go, we are linked with plenty but, I doubt if I’ve heard of any of them.
If we are really serious about taking the next step up, we really could do with starting to look at players at least double our usual £15/£25 million we pay for players.

nobody other than chelsea/man city/liverpool is chucking that much money on single players and it's a bit of a pickle for the CB situation as we just shelled out almost £30mil on a player who we obviously saw as a mainstay, and will be back next year so do you spend another £30mil for someone else which would definitely unsettle mings and could push konsa out of the door.

I'd guess we still have money to spend on midfield, possibly a forward and so will be looking at cheaper alternatives for CB.



Aren't wolves about to spend £38 million on a portiegyse midfielder? Didn't west ham spend £30 mill on a defender?Haven't forest bid £40 Mill for gibbs white? They're all spending these sorts of funds and more worryingly for me, as I tried to point thr other day, I'd they're doing it without selling to raise the funds......and they're already finishing above us!!!
Think people are cottoning on to that, they can't just keep peppering clubs with bids.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2022, 08:26:00 AM
I think this could turn out to be one of the busiest transfer deadlines for years (for most clubs in our league), not necessarily in terms of fees paid but I can see lots of loan moves with options or obligations.

There will be players who fear for spots at the World Cup if they aren’t playing that will be looking to move on & clubs will take it to the wire to sign other teams fringe players ie Traore / El Ghazi / Sanson for us to get the best deal possible.

In the ideal world there would be a couple of incomings before deadline but they have to be worthwhile signings not squad fillers & personally I have no issue if they are permanent or loans with the option to buy. 

As Drummond said most clubs from 5th downwards still think they need 2/3 more in so it should be a very active market & a good few deals that have not even been mentioned yet will get done.

Never get why the deadline is so far into everyone’s season, should be start of August
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 18, 2022, 08:43:15 AM
I just can't believe people are starting to criticize the owners and their spending.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scratchins on August 18, 2022, 08:58:08 AM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on August 18, 2022, 08:58:57 AM
If we can't get players to improve the first 11 then there is no point. I would back the club here if they cannot sign players who are no better than what we already have. It is frustrating but fingers crossed we can sign one or two players who will help take us up a level (I live in  hope).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 18, 2022, 09:00:01 AM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.
90 minutes? Do they want to be stuck in traffic on the Lichfield Road for an hour?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on August 18, 2022, 09:00:27 AM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.

Probably those who leave early anyway to get the train before the game ends.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 18, 2022, 09:08:45 AM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.

Think that was a joke 😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 18, 2022, 09:24:39 AM
Our bench v Palace is likely to have Konsa, Bailey, Ings, Luiz and Coutinho on it. There aren't that many outside the top 4 with that kind of quality/wage bill sitting on the bench.

I agree with this. We had a rocky season after Grealish went, changing managers mid season etc, but whilst id like a couple more, a midfielder and a forward, i still think we have a decent squad. Despite their new signing, i dont see Wolves, Leicester, Palace (might be eating my words after Saturday) Brighton having better squads than us. West Ham yes, but otherwise, we should be competing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 18, 2022, 09:34:08 AM
We keep being told how rich our owners are but, from reports I’ve been reading, it looks like we are looking for a cheap option to replace Diego Carlos. As far as other possible signings go, we are linked with plenty but, I doubt if I’ve heard of any of them.
If we are really serious about taking the next step up, we really could do with starting to look at players at least double our usual £15/£25 million we pay for players.

nobody other than chelsea/man city/liverpool is chucking that much money on single players and it's a bit of a pickle for the CB situation as we just shelled out almost £30mil on a player who we obviously saw as a mainstay, and will be back next year so do you spend another £30mil for someone else which would definitely unsettle mings and could push konsa out of the door.

I'd guess we still have money to spend on midfield, possibly a forward and so will be looking at cheaper alternatives for CB.



Aren't wolves about to spend £38 million on a portiegyse midfielder? Didn't west ham spend £30 mill on a defender?Haven't forest bid £40 Mill for gibbs white? They're all spending these sorts of funds and more worryingly for me, as I tried to point thr other day, I'd they're doing it without selling to raise the funds......and they're already finishing above us!!!

There's been no suggestion we need to sell to raise funds anyway. Forest are going mad in the market cos they've had to replace half a team.

We've already spent 30mil on a defender, and getting Kamara was a massive coup. Lots of the noise appears to be that we are looking at targets but nothing will happen until we move a few on.

There's also still 2 weeks to go so let's just chill out a bit eh.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 18, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
The last thing we need is more fill ins, we have too many that we can't get rid of already. I thought Ings had his best game for a long time on Saturday and i have been a critic, I still believe we will get one or two in at the death.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 18, 2022, 11:22:11 AM
The last thing we need is more fill ins, we have too many that we can't get rid of already. I thought Ings had his best game for a long time on Saturday and i have been a critic, I still believe we will get one or two in at the death.
I agree.  I think we're slightly hampered in as much as we have a few players - Traore, Sanson, Guilbert, El Goalzi spring to mind - who are clearly not part of the club's plans, and unlikely to become part of the plans.  Buying more players will risk adding more players to that group - and we're already struggling to get rid of the ones we've got.

That's all added to a rather challenging problem, that there's no point going MON style and buying players who are only as good as the ones we already have - they need to be a noticeable upgrade if we're going to break in to Europe on a regular basis*.



* I think there's a fair argument for saying that there's not *that* much difference in the teams that finish between 7th-14th, and we could realistically qualify for something this season.  However, that same statement equally indicates there's quite a lot of competition for one European place, and so it's far from assured or an easily achievable aim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 18, 2022, 12:17:55 PM
Our bench v Palace is likely to have Konsa, Bailey, Ings, Luiz and Coutinho on it. There aren't that many outside the top 4 with that kind of quality/wage bill sitting on the bench.

I agree with this. We had a rocky season after Grealish went, changing managers mid season etc, but whilst id like a couple more, a midfielder and a forward, i still think we have a decent squad. Despite their new signing, i dont see Wolves, Leicester, Palace (might be eating my words after Saturday) Brighton having better squads than us. West Ham yes, but otherwise, we should be competing.

The thing that I just can't shake off the moment is that we ended last season quite poorly really and now with Carlos injured, the only real addition to that side is Kamara.  Although I feel that defensive midfielder has become an important role in the modern game, it is not one that impacts too much on quality in the final third which is where we increasingly struggled last season. 



 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 18, 2022, 12:40:35 PM
Maybe playing our most creative player in Buendia might help that problem. Also a fully fit Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2022, 01:03:52 PM
Our bench v Palace is likely to have Konsa, Bailey, Ings, Luiz and Coutinho on it. There aren't that many outside the top 4 with that kind of quality/wage bill sitting on the bench.

Exactly

What it does, or certainly should do, is put pressure on the Manager and coaching team to get a tune out of what they have. Formations, tactics and substitute utilisation is clearly required at any level of the game.
I do however have some sympathy for the Carlos injury as he was clearly a better upgrade on what we had and to lose him now is a real problem and not easy to overcome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 18, 2022, 01:05:14 PM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.

Who are these over entitled wankers - United fans???

Fuck me they need to get a grip
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2022, 01:20:48 PM
You would have to be a colossally misguided wanker to protest these owners on a lack of spending or transfer activity. I will say that it will be hugely disappointing if we don’t get anyone else in. My thoughts are that the eerie quiet of it all is leading up to something in the next few days. I’m hoping anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 18, 2022, 01:30:58 PM
The type of player we need now is in the £50m category.

They are hard to find, even harder to tempt to come to us because of the lack of top-level football. They all come with the risk of failure too...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 18, 2022, 01:31:58 PM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.

Who are these over entitled wankers - United fans???

Fuck me they need to get a grip

I think it's a piss take of the bedwetters....90 mins..?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 18, 2022, 01:39:02 PM
We've already spent 30mil on a defender, and getting Kamara was a massive coup. Lots of the noise appears to be that we are looking at targets but nothing will happen until we move a few on.

There's also still 2 weeks to go so let's just chill out a bit eh.

Well said.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 18, 2022, 02:00:33 PM
The type of player we need now is in the £50m category.

They are hard to find, even harder to tempt to come to us because of the lack of top-level football. They all come with the risk of failure too...
Yes, or you pay £50mill for £20 mil players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 18, 2022, 02:28:28 PM
Forest's deal to sign Morgan Gibbs-White from Wolves is apparently £35m, rising to £44m with add-ons.

That seems....a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2022, 02:37:46 PM
I'd forgotten about him, then noticed him playing for Sheff Utd in the play offs, now this? Jesus
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 18, 2022, 02:39:43 PM
We need Antony from Ajax. Worth every penny of £60/70m. Considering shite like above are going for those crazy fees.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 18, 2022, 02:49:42 PM
1 decent season in the Championship, Wolves have played a blinder there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 18, 2022, 02:57:15 PM
I do like Gibbs-White but that is a huge fee…Wolves have done well & Forest will look at it as they got Gibbs-White & Lingard for that fee….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2022, 02:59:16 PM
Forest have proper gone for it, fair play to them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dicedlam on August 18, 2022, 03:02:34 PM
I've seen a group on Twitter planning to walk out on 90 minutes on the 28th to protest at our lack of transfer activity!  The window won't be closed by then.

I think I am going to start a group that will walk out and protest at our lack of transfer activity on the referee's final whistle...I reckon it will get a even greater response ::)


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 18, 2022, 03:10:29 PM
I'm going to start another group that will refuse to purchase food and drinks inside the stadium in protest
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2022, 03:15:04 PM
As an expression of support for the Zone 6 comrades, Woodhall is shutting the site down at 6 tonight.

We shall not succumb to the vicious jackboot of the Purslow junta!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 18, 2022, 03:16:34 PM
I'm going to start another group that will refuse to purchase food and drinks inside the stadium in protest


'The Bring your Own Sarnies Brigade '
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 18, 2022, 04:14:35 PM
We do seem to struggle moving on perfectly decent players that we don't want any more.

Mind you, it's only natural the players don't want to leave, as anywhere else is obviously going to feel like a step down from Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 18, 2022, 04:20:19 PM
Forest's deal to sign Morgan Gibbs-White from Wolves is apparently £35m, rising to £44m with add-ons.

That seems....a lot.

I thought the game had already "gone" but it seems to keep going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 18, 2022, 04:30:15 PM
Alfredo Morelos..?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 18, 2022, 04:47:49 PM
Walking red card
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 18, 2022, 05:11:17 PM
We do seem to struggle moving on perfectly decent players that we don't want any more.

Mind you, it's only natural the players don't want to leave, as anywhere else is obviously going to feel like be a massive step down from Villa.
ftfy
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 18, 2022, 10:03:40 PM
We do seem to struggle moving on perfectly decent players that we don't want any more.

Mind you, it's only natural the players don't want to leave, as anywhere else is obviously going to feel like a step down from Villa.

We’re not the only club. The player eating monster that is the Premier League is pushing wages beyond all but a handful of clubs in Europe, so only other PL clubs can buy unwanted players unless they go on loan and clubs supplement wages. Here’s a few from The Times article today:

Arrizabalaga
Reguillon
Soyuncu
Bailly
Vestergaard
Allan
Perez
Winks
Wan-Bissaka
Pepe
Benrahma
A Traore
Cutrone
A Gomes
Almiron
Maitland-Niles
Winks

There a few hundred million there  in transfer fees without the wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 18, 2022, 10:15:51 PM
Harold Winks, so bad he's on there twice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 18, 2022, 10:27:31 PM
Harold Winks, so bad he's on there twice.

Yes, wanted to confirm he’s definitely not wanted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 12:31:14 AM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.

Adama Traore at £10m is also a very decent signing for someone,  creates mayhem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2022, 07:33:16 AM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.

Adama Traore at £10m is also a very decent signing for someone,  creates mayhem.

I’ve always thought Bailly was massively better than Lindelof…..though you have to give them credit, they have managed to find a smaller physically weak defender to replace one of the most physically weak defenders in the league….bravo to them.

Traore is made for a Chelsea or Spurs….20 minute substitute cameos in a good side when they need something different
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 19, 2022, 08:09:23 AM
Benrahma would be worth a punt still I reckon.  Don't know why he's so out of favour, scored a vital goal again for them last night.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2022, 08:10:13 AM
Benrahma would be worth a punt still I reckon.  Don't know why he's so out of favour, scored a vital goal again for them last night.
just not the sort of player we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 08:52:28 AM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.

Adama Traore at £10m is also a very decent signing for someone,  creates mayhem.

I’ve always thought Bailly was massively better than Lindelof…..though you have to give them credit, they have managed to find a smaller physically weak defender to replace one of the most physically weak defenders in the league….bravo to them.

Traore is made for a Chelsea or Spurs….20 minute substitute cameos in a good side when they need something different

Agreed.  I've seen Maguire and Lindelof look awful and yet Baily seems to be bombed out.  Most odd,  but I'd take him on a loan to buy to cover Carlos,  gets anywhere near his best he's a very good defender.

Traore is weird.  I actually think he'd be a good option in out set up now as we have so little pace and he'd give us something very different.  Not my first choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2022, 08:57:11 AM
Benrahma would be worth a punt still I reckon.  Don't know why he's so out of favour, scored a vital goal again for them last night.
Not sure we need another maverick, we needed Benrahma when we signed Traore….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 09:06:08 AM
I'm gutted Bert hasn't had a look in lately.  Supremely talented player. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 19, 2022, 09:56:11 AM
Chelsea making Chalobah available on loan according to the Athletic. He’d be a decent short term option although plenty would be interested I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 19, 2022, 10:37:47 AM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.


He has a worse injury record than Keinan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 19, 2022, 10:57:12 AM
Vestergaard is half decent isn't he? or is it that he scores against us that makes him look so?  Soyuncu would be decent cover in defence if we really need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 11:18:39 AM

All we hear now is speculation about bringing in another centre back and whether or not to pursue a Chelsea loan midfielder. And a kind of wish for a striker with no solid links or bids flying in.
Coutinho wonderful signing. Also there's a decent profile and  pedigree of the other signings of Villa this window. It would be nice if we had some more quality to compete.

Clearly, it's been difficult, but when you hear Chelsea and Manchester United, as well as Forest and Newcastle, linked to everyone and throwing in bids, it'd be nice to have a bit more of that during the majority of the summer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 19, 2022, 12:33:41 PM

All we hear now is speculation about bringing in another centre back and whether or not to pursue a Chelsea loan midfielder. And a kind of wish for a striker with no solid links or bids flying in.
Coutinho wonderful signing. Also there's a decent profile and  pedigree of the other signings of Villa this window. It would be nice if we had some more quality to compete.

Clearly, it's been difficult, but when you hear Chelsea and Manchester United, as well as Forest and Newcastle, linked to everyone and throwing in bids, it'd be nice to have a bit more of that during the majority of the summer window.

Generally we do our business very quietly though, was slightly different with Kamara as we'd been scouting him for a long time. Also usually about 80% of links and chat about incoming bids turns out to be total bollocks anyway.

Soyuncu is such a weird one, looked so good for most of that season and was chipping in with goals too and now looks shot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 19, 2022, 12:46:36 PM

All we hear now is speculation about bringing in another centre back and whether or not to pursue a Chelsea loan midfielder. And a kind of wish for a striker with no solid links or bids flying in.
Coutinho wonderful signing. Also there's a decent profile and  pedigree of the other signings of Villa this window. It would be nice if we had some more quality to compete.

Clearly, it's been difficult, but when you hear Chelsea and Manchester United, as well as Forest and Newcastle, linked to everyone and throwing in bids, it'd be nice to have a bit more of that during the majority of the summer window.

Generally we do our business very quietly though, was slightly different with Kamara as we'd been scouting him for a long time. Also usually about 80% of links and chat about incoming bids turns out to be total bollocks anyway.

Soyuncu is such a weird one, looked so good for most of that season and was chipping in with goals too and now looks shot.

And also this is the only issue with doing our business early.  Because we was so efficient, it come to three month further on and it looks like we are being quiet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 19, 2022, 12:49:06 PM

All we hear now is speculation about bringing in another centre back and whether or not to pursue a Chelsea loan midfielder. And a kind of wish for a striker with no solid links or bids flying in.
Coutinho wonderful signing. Also there's a decent profile and  pedigree of the other signings of Villa this window. It would be nice if we had some more quality to compete.

Clearly, it's been difficult, but when you hear Chelsea and Manchester United, as well as Forest and Newcastle, linked to everyone and throwing in bids, it'd be nice to have a bit more of that during the majority of the summer window.

Generally we do our business very quietly though, was slightly different with Kamara as we'd been scouting him for a long time. Also usually about 80% of links and chat about incoming bids turns out to be total bollocks anyway.

Soyuncu is such a weird one, looked so good for most of that season and was chipping in with goals too and now looks shot.

And also this is the only issue with doing our business early.  Because we was so efficient, it come to three month further on and it looks like we are being quiet.
Yeah, I do sometimes wonder if we'd be better off getting in all the players early - as we have been doing - but announcing them at 2 week intervals so people think we're doing business all the way through the summer rather than just, you know, getting on with the job and making sure we've got pretty much the entire squad ready for the start of pre-season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 19, 2022, 12:56:37 PM
It’s weird.  On paper the 3 signings are great and improve (or consolidate) the spine of our first team - Carlos, Kamara and Coutinho.  The issue is one of them is now injured for the season and one isn’t firing on full cylinders.  Looking forward to how we line up and play tomorrow.  Will tell us a lot about the general mood in the squad  I think. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 19, 2022, 01:27:29 PM
I agree, this squad isn’t good enough to get 60 points. A few have proven where their level is and we won’t move forward without a few additions. This isn’t a criticism of the owners as they’ve invested massively but if they want to challenge at the top table then we are miles away.
I can definitely understand in not signing anymore until we’ve trimmed the squad a bit so unless we do I can’t see anymore coming in.
Gerrard has identified we needed a DM and now we’ve got a class one in. He also identified we needed another central defender and we got one in who’s now injured. Unfortunately for me, our midfield and forward line is short on quality. Until we address this we won’t move far from 14th - 10th until some of the young lads start coming through. That’s a gamble but I don’t think we should expect too much with what we’ve got now although I think 10th should be achievable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 19, 2022, 01:36:20 PM
The owners do seem to have spent a lot but, given our transfers in the last year, the nett spend hasn’t actually been that much. Also, as I have mentioned before, it would be great to sign one or two proven players who we’ve actually heard of. With our current squad, I still believe we would be doing very well to finish to half and, for me, that’s not good enough for a club like ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 01:40:46 PM
I agree, this squad isn’t good enough to get 60 points. A few have proven where their level is and we won’t move forward without a few additions. This isn’t a criticism of the owners as they’ve invested massively but if they want to challenge at the top table then we are miles away.
I can definitely understand in not signing anymore until we’ve trimmed the squad a bit so unless we do I can’t see anymore coming in.
Gerrard has identified we needed a DM and now we’ve got a class one in. He also identified we needed another central defender and we got one in who’s now injured. Unfortunately for me, our midfield and forward line is short on quality. Until we address this we won’t move far from 14th - 10th until some of the young lads start coming through. That’s a gamble but I don’t think we should expect too much with what we’ve got now although I think 10th should be achievable.

Spot on.  8-10th with this squad is a decent season.  11-13th about par. Below,  pretty rubbish. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 02:37:19 PM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.


He has a worse injury record than Keinan.

It's appalling to see Manchester United sign one of the best DMs in the world despite being bottom of the league and in transition/disaster. Casimero won the Champions league again with Real Madrid and now ends up there. He'll improve them straight away
It's also a wrench  that we won't play them until November 5th, when they'll most likely have improved!

To be honest I don't see Gerrard ever signing anyone from Man Utd though I would take McTominay to add to the base of our midfield and adds height and physicality to the squad.
He may be deemed surplus and doesn't really have the ability Ten Hag wants so maybe more a loan as he would only be short term for us really too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 19, 2022, 02:39:46 PM
Fuck me, I wouldn't go near McTominay, he's turbo-shite.

He's an Everton style signing.

Although Gerrard wouldn't give a flying fuck if a player played for Man United.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 02:48:06 PM
Fuck me, I wouldn't go near McTominay, he's turbo-shite.

He's an Everton style signing.

Although Gerrard wouldn't give a flying fuck if a player played for Man United.

If ever a player screamed Everton its him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 19, 2022, 02:49:02 PM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.


He has a worse injury record than Keinan.
It's appalling to see Manchester United sign one of the best DMs in the world despite being bottom of the league and in transition/disaster. Casimero won the Champions league again with Real Madrid and now ends up there. He'll improve them straight away
The same was being said of Varane this time last year. I truly believe it doesnt matter who they sign, they are broken.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2022, 02:55:10 PM
Fuck me, I wouldn't go near McTominay, he's turbo-shite.

He's an Everton style signing.

Although Gerrard wouldn't give a flying fuck if a player played for Man United.

If ever a player screamed Everton its him. 

Darren Gibson II
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 19, 2022, 06:14:22 PM
If Chalobah is available on loan, I think we should go and get him. No sense in going to Inter if he is going to be stuck behind de Vrij. I don't think he wages are too much to bear either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 19, 2022, 06:53:55 PM
How would Chalobah get on in a back 2?

McTominay played really well against us in one of the games we played against them last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2022, 07:04:47 PM
Yeah but so did Marlon Harewood once aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 19, 2022, 07:07:00 PM
The Athletic claiming we are making a move for Jan Bednarek
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 19, 2022, 07:07:58 PM
If Chalobah is available on loan, I think we should go and get him. No sense in going to Inter if he is going to be stuck behind de Vrij. I don't think he wages are too much to bear either.

I think he's a fantastic player though he plays on the right where we already have Konsa and Chambers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 19, 2022, 07:09:34 PM
Baily is a much better player than those staring at United.  Strange they want rid.


He has a worse injury record than Keinan.

It's appalling to see Manchester United sign one of the best DMs in the world despite being bottom of the league and in transition/disaster. Casimero won the Champions league again with Real Madrid and now ends up there. He'll improve them straight away
It's also a wrench  that we won't play them until November 5th, when they'll most likely have improved!

To be honest I don't see Gerrard ever signing anyone from Man Utd though I would take McTominay to add to the base of our midfield and adds height and physicality to the squad.
He may be deemed surplus and doesn't really have the ability Ten Hag wants so maybe more a loan as he would only be short term for us really too.

I would be pissed off if we spent 60 mil on a 30+ year old even if he has won stuff. In the pace of the prem midfield the game will pass him by. Typical United overspending to pacify plastic fans. This a panic buy if ever there was one and I hope another that will back fire on them just like Ronaldo Nd Varane etc al
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 19, 2022, 07:16:31 PM
Bednarek    please no, he's shite
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 19, 2022, 07:54:37 PM
The Athletic claiming we are making a move for Jan Bednarek

Not much of an analysis but i think he’s proper shite
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2022, 08:15:19 PM
The Athletic claiming we are making a move for Jan Bednarek

Not much of an analysis but i think he’s proper shite

Maybe Matty recommended him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 19, 2022, 08:17:49 PM
I actually think he’s ok as a quickly sourced replacement who we wouldn’t have been looking at or needing this time last week.  Assuming Hause leaves it is up to the 3 centre backs + Bednarek if he comes in to lift their standards.

What I do hope is that there is still another deal for a starting midfielder bubbling along and this hasn’t derailed it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2022, 10:10:15 PM
Is he the fella that's taller than Gulliver?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 10:13:49 PM
The Athletic claiming we are making a move for Jan Bednarek
That's a Lange signing not a Gerrard one.
Not sure what profile he fits and doesn't scream upgrade to me.
He'll be wanting to play for his position and fitness for the polish national team world cup but I find his erratic defending straight out of a cheap dime store.
Often gets booked with 10 yellows last season one less than Tyrone Mings but don't see him as anywhere as good.
Maybe the many cautious is a sign of how overly comeptetive he is as that seems a quality wanted in signing centre backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 19, 2022, 10:20:13 PM
Bednarak is decent enough as back up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 10:37:54 PM
Bednarak is decent enough as back up.
His only asset was he scored 4 goals last season
With JWP delivery in our team would like to think be getting our centre halves doing that.
I think he is quite a way off and certainly only as a back up as whom does Bednarek surpass?
As all opposition attackers seem to surpass him.

Southampton finished 15th last season with a -24 goal difference conceded 67 goals and only Leeds, Norwich and Watford conceded more.
 His performance in the 9-0 against Man Utd is up there with one of the worst shows ever seen.
Scored an Own goal and he lost all will during the game and was sent off close to end of match. No winner there.
This guy also played the full match in the 9-0 loss at home to Leicester.

This season he played the whole 90 in the 4-1 defeat at Spurs and also played 69 minutes versus Leeds being part of defence that were 2-0 down.
In fact subbing him off led to the comeback for the saints.

He predominantly plays in a back 3 so I'm not sure he fair much in a back two for where we want to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 19, 2022, 10:39:21 PM
You’re not keen on the idea,I take it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 10:40:03 PM
The Athletic claiming we are making a move for Jan Bednarek

Not much of an analysis but i think he’s proper shite

Well yes if a little risqué in language yes totally.
There can be no analysis going on for a defender who plays in a very weak 3 centre back defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 10:43:20 PM
You’re not keen on the idea,I take it?
Yeah sorry just pointing some facts out.
I mean he's a defender so I guess that's something but the talk of analysing doesn't make sense to me.
Maybes he's got good data on blocks and clearances but then again Saints have to do enough defending and the stats say how many they conceded last season with him playing 31 games. So I'm just a little unsure why we would have him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 19, 2022, 10:44:48 PM
Michael Keane of Everton now he knows Digne and has a threat and presence as well as experience. Why not him
Seems out of favour there now too. He would add competition for places.

I'd also add if we wanted a simple back up and not really a first teamer then someone who would come in for last 10 minutes likes of the ilk  Sean Morrison. Aggressive, Comeptetive and would offer the long throw option so Archie would be happy. He be honoured to be here so wouldn't even mind if he didn't get game time.
Available on a free give him a short term deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2022, 10:56:58 PM
You’re not keen on the idea,I take it?

It's a stronger case than most that you must see across the bench in Telford County Court, no?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2022, 11:08:08 PM
From The Athletic tonight:

Quote
Villa got the bulk of their incoming transfer business done early but will still consider further additions before the September 1 deadline.

A replacement centre-back for the injured Diego Carlos is likely and while Villa are thought to be in no rush over a replacement as they seek the right deal, an approach has been made to Southampton over a possible move for Jan Bednarek.

There are also ongoing conversations around a new No 8 and other attacking players, with Gerrard saying: “We’re still analysing the three units in our system; forward line, the midfield line and, certainly now, from a defensive point of view.

“We were really set in that department but, obviously, we’re deciding and are talking now about whether we should do something there.

“The window’s still open, there’s still ten days so there’s a possibility we could look slightly different come the end of the window.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 19, 2022, 11:40:54 PM
Sounds like they've identified the need and will bring in a No. 8 if it's the right player/deal/quality for us but won't if it's not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 19, 2022, 11:48:04 PM
We needed a holding midfielder for 2 years plus before actually getting one.  Early days for an 8. No flaws in their approach at all. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 20, 2022, 07:24:49 AM
Liverpool showing interest in Jacob Ramsey apparently according to Twitter
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 07:43:38 AM
Sorry Footy disagree I think Bednerak is decent enough, again as back up. Michael Keane on the other hand, no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 08:02:15 AM
We needed a holding midfielder for 2 years plus before actually getting one.  Early days for an 8. No flaws in their approach at all. 



The flaw is that by the time you get the player in that position at least one of the better players has left "because we aren't competing for trophies or getting in to europe". Then that player needs replacing and the cycle continues
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2022, 08:14:47 AM
Bednarek and Michael Keane. The epitome of statuesque defending.

For those slagging off Wesley, Keane made him look like Thierry Henry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 20, 2022, 08:24:19 AM
Sorry Footy disagree I think Bednerak is decent enough, again as back up. Michael Keane on the other hand, no.
Bednarek is in a team that takes a 9-0 thrashing each season. Keane has the speed and turning circle of the sea container that got stuck in the Suez Canal a couple of years' ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2022, 08:43:57 AM
Taking players as a decent back up, why? those are the kind of players we can never move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2022, 08:58:35 AM
Taking players as a decent back up, why? those are the kind of players we can never move on.

Hopefully just a loan to cover for the Carlos injury.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2022, 09:35:47 AM
Thing is, Hause is a much better player than Keane or Bednarek.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 20, 2022, 09:36:44 AM
Im really not sure Bendarek (or Keane) are better than Hause. Southamptons defence can be dreadful and whilst id admit i dont watch them closely, anytime i have seen them, Bendarek has been poor. If we’re going down this route for a year until Carlos is back, id rather keep Courtney
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 09:37:17 AM
We needed a holding midfielder for 2 years plus before actually getting one.  Early days for an 8. No flaws in their approach at all. 



The flaw is that by the time you get the player in that position at least one of the better players has left "because we aren't competing for trophies or getting in to europe". Then that player needs replacing and the cycle continues
I think this is our risk - emi1 won’t be heat for long if we don’t get a wiggle on.

Fortunately rest of our players have been out of form For about 12 months so won’t attract interest.  But I guess as we have bought some older players like digne, Phil and Carlos if we don’t make progress they will be past there best and need replacing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 20, 2022, 09:39:07 AM
If we sign another centre half it needs to be either on loan to cover DC injury or a significantly better player than what we’ve already got otherwise just keep Hause as cover and promote from within.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 20, 2022, 09:40:58 AM
I'm guessing Hause is on lower wages than the other 2 as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on August 20, 2022, 09:51:53 AM
We needed a holding midfielder for 2 years plus before actually getting one.  Early days for an 8. No flaws in their approach at all. 



The flaw is that by the time you get the player in that position at least one of the better players has left "because we aren't competing for trophies or getting in to europe". Then that player needs replacing and the cycle continues
I think this is our risk - emi1 won’t be heat for long if we don’t get a wiggle on.


Agree. Emi has already stated he wants European football and trophies. If we finish bottom half especially and even outside the euro places this season, he'll be looking to move on quite quickly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 20, 2022, 10:21:59 AM
Reading through some local press for Southampton and it's not complimentary to bednarek in the slightest
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2022, 10:31:59 AM
Not at all.. Southampton fans appear happy to drive him to whoever will take him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2022, 10:42:21 AM
I really don’t know why there has to be an obsession with bringing in another centre half
That is not where our problems lie.
They lie in front of the defence with a missing top quality defensive midfielder to help protect the back line.
Maybe Kamara is that missing link, who knows, but I wish we were looking for a top drawer DM in the price range that Bissouma went for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 20, 2022, 10:51:34 AM
Kamara looks excellent though so far, and he's only played two games. I don't know much about Bednarek other than Southampton's defence seems to be mostly shit and we absolutely humped them at home.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2022, 10:58:51 AM
Liverpool showing interest in Jacob Ramsey apparently according to Twitter
I would like a squad at Villa full of players that clubs around us at the top end are interested in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on August 20, 2022, 11:00:00 AM
I'd get either one of the old spurs lads in Vertonghen or Alderweireld, short term cover if they believe Carlos can come back . If they don't, like Wesley situation we should be looking at someone around 23/24 Joe Gomez or indeed Bednarek
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2022, 11:02:36 AM
I really don’t know why there has to be an obsession with bringing in another centre half
That is not where our problems lie.

Cover for injuries and suspensions. We’ve already lost one for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 20, 2022, 11:09:47 AM
Hope it's all garbage press.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 11:13:10 AM
Not at all.. Southampton fans appear happy to drive him to whoever will take him. 

To be fair if you read back some of the comments on here you’d think at various points in their time at the club that Buendia, Coutinho, and Digne were all terrible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2022, 11:17:21 AM
Difference is all those player you mentioned are recent signings for us whereas Bednarek has been at Southampton for over 5 years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 20, 2022, 11:43:37 AM
According to The Athletic, Aston Villa have made an approach for Aston Villa’s Jan Bednarek after Diego Carlos’ injury.

Blimey we are now trying to buy players from ourselves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 20, 2022, 11:54:03 AM
According to The Athletic, Aston Villa have made an approach for Aston Villa’s Jan Bednarek after Diego Carlos’ injury.

Blimey we are now trying to buy players from ourselves.

Should make the negotiations easier though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 11:54:44 AM
Difference is all those player you mentioned are recent signings for us whereas Bednarek has been at Southampton for over 5 years.

Yeah but it happens through the cycle - see players like Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 12:13:57 PM
According to The Athletic, Aston Villa have made an approach for Aston Villa’s Jan Bednarek after Diego Carlos’ injury.

Blimey we are now trying to buy players from ourselves.

Should make the negotiations easier though.

We’ll still get ripped off. It’s probably his agent using us just to get a new contract with Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 20, 2022, 12:19:42 PM
According to The Athletic, Aston Villa have made an approach for Aston Villa’s Jan Bednarek after Diego Carlos’ injury.

Blimey we are now trying to buy players from ourselves.

Should make the negotiations easier though.

FFS, we've gone and started a bidding war.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 12:20:22 PM
That’s going to diminish the war chest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 12:30:11 PM
My opinion of the owners has really changed over the last 15 months, previous posts have shown this. It's hope now rather than belief with me and I really want to be wrong but I just can't see it. I have mentioned previously about net spend across the last few windows in comparisons to clubs were trying to catch but even parking that, the money we have spent have been on signings for 29/30 year old were committing to with no sell on value. Its like were not having a go with net spent but the big signings we are making have to work because there's no sell on. Unless they've spent it with the insurance against say a ramsey doing a grealish etc. Under smith and the owners I felt there was a plan, I dont see it anymore, it's like they sold Joe and don't know the next steps. I keep seeing this "if the right player isn't available we don't waste the money" and while I take than on board, what happens around us is the bigger clubs go out and make these players available. We don't do this. It's just my view but when the people at the top are coming out talking about Europe and making us one of the biggest clubs in the world, the way we are doing it I hope they're right rather than believing they're right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 12:32:36 PM
We also see alot of "FFP talk" why are we literally the only club worried about this? Yet given the chucky and Joe sales, we should be the one club completely compliant with it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
FFP talk online maybe, I can’t say I’ve seen it emanating from the club to any great extent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 12:37:15 PM
The owners not only saved our arse as a club (when we were struggling to pay a tax bill) , they've put in a stupid amount of money,  on and off the pitch. I find it incredible that people are questioning them because we don't spend silly amounts of money every year.  They've not got a bottomless pit. If the likes of Forest want to spend up to £40m on Morgan Gibbs-White,  then let them. I'd rather we spend it wisely and not just buy for the sake of it. The squad depth wise (bar one of two position,  namely right back) is the best its been in a while. The owners have my total respect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Broadlee on August 20, 2022, 12:51:25 PM
My opinion of the owners has really changed over the last 15 months, previous posts have shown this. It's hope now rather than belief with me and I really want to be wrong but I just can't see it. I have mentioned previously about net spend across the last few windows in comparisons to clubs were trying to catch but even parking that, the money we have spent have been on signings for 29/30 year old were committing to with no sell on value. Its like were not having a go with net spent but the big signings we are making have to work because there's no sell on. Unless they've spent it with the insurance against say a ramsey doing a grealish etc. Under smith and the owners I felt there was a plan, I dont see it anymore, it's like they sold Joe and don't know the next steps. I keep seeing this "if the right player isn't available we don't waste the money" and while I take than on board, what happens around us is the bigger clubs go out and make these players available. We don't do this. It's just my view but when the people at the top are coming out talking about Europe and making us one of the biggest clubs in the world, the way we are doing it I hope they're right rather than believing they're right.

For me IF the club is serious about joining the BIG boys then where are the Two real statement signings?  I have heard our recruitment team and scouting are v good and the owners are seriously minted so why have we not been looking at £40m plus players that make people sit up and see the ambition of the club rather than scratching around lesser players. pay the money and the elite will come. I really would like to see real statement signings where every one will go "wow" Think of the players that big Ron bought in before Doug pulled the plug, same for John Gregory and we are now supposed to be seriously rich - but they are shopping in ASDA and not John Lewis's league if they don't trust the recruitment or the manager then ? If they are serious about being big then lets see the action. I have been watching this team I love since '64 just when i think we've arrived like '74, '82, 94 etc we disappear again. - really frustrating but I KNOW my Club is better than or at least equal to the top 6 so for those with the Ambition and Drive take a leaf out of their book, get us there amongst them and show the world we exist. Do it now - you have the money - don't you? you have the same desire Don't you. Up the Mighty Villa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2022, 01:03:16 PM
I really don’t know why there has to be an obsession with bringing in another centre half
That is not where our problems lie.

Cover for injuries and suspensions. We’ve already lost one for the season.
How many do we need?
We have 4 when Hause returns, Kamara can play CH as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 20, 2022, 01:03:48 PM
We spent loads of money on so called players to take us to the next level and that failed miserably,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 20, 2022, 01:06:53 PM
The owners not only saved our arse as a club (when we were struggling to pay a tax bill) , they've put in a stupid amount of money,  on and off the pitch. I find it incredible that people are questioning them because we don't spend silly amounts of money every year.  They've not got a bottomless pit. If the likes of Forest want to spend up to £40m on Morgan Gibbs-White,  then let them. I'd rather we spend it wisely and not just buy for the sake of it. The squad depth wise (bar one of two position,  namely right back) is the best its been in a while. The owners have my total respect.

They probably are a bottomless pit
But agree with the sentiment of your post
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 01:08:30 PM
My opinion of the owners has really changed over the last 15 months, previous posts have shown this. It's hope now rather than belief with me and I really want to be wrong but I just can't see it. I have mentioned previously about net spend across the last few windows in comparisons to clubs were trying to catch but even parking that, the money we have spent have been on signings for 29/30 year old were committing to with no sell on value. Its like were not having a go with net spent but the big signings we are making have to work because there's no sell on. Unless they've spent it with the insurance against say a ramsey doing a grealish etc. Under smith and the owners I felt there was a plan, I dont see it anymore, it's like they sold Joe and don't know the next steps. I keep seeing this "if the right player isn't available we don't waste the money" and while I take than on board, what happens around us is the bigger clubs go out and make these players available. We don't do this. It's just my view but when the people at the top are coming out talking about Europe and making us one of the biggest clubs in the world, the way we are doing it I hope they're right rather than believing they're right.

For me IF the club is serious about joining the BIG boys then where are the Two real statement signings?  I have heard our recruitment team and scouting are v good and the owners are seriously minted so why have we not been looking at £40m plus players that make people sit up and see the ambition of the club rather than scratching around lesser players. pay the money and the elite will come. I really would like to see real statement signings where every one will go "wow" Think of the players that big Ron bought in before Doug pulled the plug, same for John Gregory and we are now supposed to be seriously rich - but they are shopping in ASDA and not John Lewis's league if they don't trust the recruitment or the manager then ? If they are serious about being big then lets see the action. I have been watching this team I love since '64 just when i think we've arrived like '74, '82, 94 etc we disappear again. - really frustrating but I KNOW my Club is better than or at least equal to the top 6 so for those with the Ambition and Drive take a leaf out of their book, get us there amongst them and show the world we exist. Do it now - you have the money - don't you? you have the same desire Don't you. Up the Mighty Villa




These are my thoughts entirely. They're coming across as talking a good game. What they've done so far as good as it is was the easy part. I know they saved the club due to Xia not getting the money of out China but let's have it right, that team got to the play off final the year before, it wasn't like the owners came In and chucked £30 Mill at it and got us promoted, they just went that one step further, a big step though it was. My issue is and always has been the actions v what they are saying what they want to achieve. Take this current issue with the centre half, In my opinion for us to get in to Europe, we would have needed to improve both centre back positions. Carlos is one, so him being injured is irrelevant and we shouldn't be questioning whether we should or shouldn't be bringing in another big signing at centre .... we absolutely should. Replace Carlos now with a quality centre back and on his return, they could be a partnership that will help us improve our league position. We're going to need one anyway. They're are very clever men, who market their business well, that's obvious with how money they swim I'm and I can see why people are seduced by them but I see nothing different now to how we acted under doug and the middle part of Lerner who were both slated at times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2022, 01:19:24 PM
I find this criticism of the owners baffling.
Maybe a few need to have a look at how much money they have put in and are committed to put into the ground improvement.
Maybe right now the players we need and have identified are not available and rather than make do they are focused on players that can take us to the next level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 01:19:37 PM
I think the owners have been excellent, they've poured a fortune into the club, there is no doubting the money they've spent so far. They clearly have ambitions to improve the club at all levels, including the stadium.

There have been a couple of missteps, though. I think they missed an opportunity to appoint a top level manager when they had the chance - not having a needless pop at SG, who deserves time to show what he can do, but he's not a proven manager in a top league. I suspect that was largely done out of Purslow making an emotional decision.

The other one, and this is being somewhat harsh I think but in terms of the message sent out re what we want to achieve, there's a really fine line between being bullish and optimistic in saying where we want to go, and setting unrealistic expectations. This is a Purslow thing, really - I like the bloke, I think he knows how to run a football club, but listening to him talk I frequently wonder if he's effectively writing cheques he can't cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 01:21:58 PM
were now a very run club - and are doing a lot right.

This bit is always going to be hard - as there are many other clubs trying to do the same.  Whilst the money is important, and clearly we can invest on more players - its more about how we do it and build the club.

I dont think this summer has gone to plan, either because we havent been able to attract the players, or because we havent been able to shift them.

For me, our biggest issue is on the playing side - we have a good squad but for most of the last 18 months look less than the sum of the parts, and dont know our best team. 

I think there was a clear plan with Grealish etc.  I think there is a clear plan with SG too, but I think it was a much bigger change than they were all expecting and the jury is still out on whether we are going forward or backwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 01:25:05 PM
I think the owners have been excellent, they've poured a fortune into the club, there is no doubting the money they've spent so far. They clearly have ambitions to improve the club at all levels, including the stadium.

There have been a couple of missteps, though. I think they missed an opportunity to appoint a top level manager when they had the chance - not having a needless pop at SG, who deserves time to show what he can do, but he's not a proven manager in a top league. I suspect that was largely done out of Purslow making an emotional decision.

The other one, and this is being somewhat harsh I think but in terms of the message sent out re what we want to achieve, there's a really fine line between being bullish and optimistic in saying where we want to go, and setting unrealistic expectations. This is a Purslow thing, really - I like the bloke, I think he knows how to run a football club, but listening to him talk I frequently wonder if he's effectively writing cheques he can't cash.
I think this is fair - I think we have overdone the PR, and its at risk of sounding hollow. 

Its like all this game day experience, but not being able to by a pint on match day, sometimes we seem to ignore the basic underpinning requirements. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 01:28:25 PM
It's a little sad in a way that we're discussing the owners a couple of hours away from a game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 01:28:36 PM
We also see alot of "FFP talk" why are we literally the only club worried about this? Yet given the chucky and Joe sales, we should be the one club completely compliant with it?

Newcastle are being good little lads about it too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 01:30:04 PM
Since Joe left over a year ago,  we've spent roughly £167m. And people are comparing that with Doug? Wow. Just wow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 01:31:49 PM
It's a little sad in a way that we're discussing the owners a couple of hours away from a game.

Why? We're only talking about them, it's not exactly a big deal surely? We don't all have to agree on everything all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 01:35:04 PM
It's a little sad in a way that we're discussing the owners a couple of hours away from a game.

Why? We're only talking about them, it's not exactly a big deal surely? We don't all have to agree on everything all the time.

Of course not,  it just feels a bit disrespectful (probably for want of a better word)  in a way. I'm looking forward to the game,  not wondering what the owners have or haven't done. That's just me I suppose though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 01:35:54 PM
I think the owners have been excellent, they've poured a fortune into the club, there is no doubting the money they've spent so far. They clearly have ambitions to improve the club at all levels, including the stadium.

There have been a couple of missteps, though. I think they missed an opportunity to appoint a top level manager when they had the chance - not having a needless pop at SG, who deserves time to show what he can do, but he's not a proven manager in a top league. I suspect that was largely done out of Purslow making an emotional decision.

The other one, and this is being somewhat harsh I think but in terms of the message sent out re what we want to achieve, there's a really fine line between being bullish and optimistic in saying where we want to go, and setting unrealistic expectations. This is a Purslow thing, really - I like the bloke, I think he knows how to run a football club, but listening to him talk I frequently wonder if he's effectively writing cheques he can't cash.





I think your last point is the one which I have been trying ti address but I don't think its just CP as WE came out after the play off final and said we want to become one of the biggest clubs in the world. We're are now entering our 4th year I'm the prem and I don't see us finishing above just below mid way. The clubs above us aren't won't ever slow down, so at some point ti achieve WE or CP ambitions were going to have to go big. We doing well in the FFP department I think, the teams above us are catchable (just about), united are dreadful (we don't know how long that will last) and we've improved our squad by 1 player now on last season.....what are we waiting for? Or stop selling a dream
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 20, 2022, 01:36:35 PM
Read an article in The Times today about Arteta.  He struggled at first as he had to get rid of the troublemakers and dead wood.  Took a lot more flak than SG did with Tyrone but three windows later has turned things around.  So can’t judge SG yet
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 01:40:57 PM
Read an article in The Times today about Arteta.  He struggled at first as he had to get rid of the troublemakers and dead wood.  Took a lot more flak than SG did with Tyrone but three windows later has turned things around.  So can’t judge SG yet
But Arteta inherited a mess, I dont think SG did?  Clearly it will take him time, but to me this was a case of building on solid foundations and adding quality and fight, rather than having to overhaul a squad
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
It's a little sad in a way that we're discussing the owners a couple of hours away from a game.



You can stick with the match thread if want
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 01:42:10 PM
We also see alot of "FFP talk" why are we literally the only club worried about this? Yet given the chucky and Joe sales, we should be the one club completely compliant with it?

Newcastle are being good little lads about it too.



I do wonder how long it will be the case with them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 20, 2022, 01:42:21 PM
According to The Athletic, Aston Villa have made an approach for Aston Villa’s Jan Bednarek after Diego Carlos’ injury.

Blimey we are now trying to buy players from ourselves.

Should make the negotiations easier though.

Bidding war incoming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 01:42:39 PM
I don't get all this 'we only added one player'  to our team nonsense. Just because Carlos is injured,  dosent mean he should not be counted. Thats just trying to suit the argument. We also permanently signed Coutinho and Olsen and added Augustinsson. Maybe it's not enough but as a whole,  the sqaud is not in bad shape really.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 01:46:18 PM
I don't get all this 'we only added one player'  to our team nonsense. Just because Carlos is injured,  dosent mean he should not be counted. Thats just trying to suit the argument. We also permanently signed Coutinho and Olsen and added Augustinsson. Maybe it's not enough but as a whole,  the sqaud is not in bad shape really.


The squad isn't in bad shape to achieve what?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 20, 2022, 01:47:20 PM
Before last summer, we were widely acknowledged as being near the bottom in the premier league for FFP wiggle room.   I haven't seen any "official" figures since Jack left, but obviously that sale will have helped a great deal - though we did spend a lot of that cash last summer and in January, too (we're still better off in FFP terms as £100m for jack and £100m on signings amortised over contract length is still a FFP positive in the short term).

My guess is that we DO have money to spend, maybe not another £100m, but certainly big, transfer-record-breaking money if the right player comes along, but they simply aren't available yet (and might not be during this window).

When the owners were spending £100m+ per transfer window, we were buying a squad. We were spending £20m-ish at a time on a few solid premier league players, which is a LOT easier to do than spending £100m one or two real stars.  See Notts Forest this summer - they've spent, what, £120m this window? But how many of their signings would you have wanted?  The amount spent is only relative to the quality it brings in.

We are in a difficult position now where the players who would DEFINITELY improve us, probably want European football, or have to be willing to buy into our project. That makes the pool we're shopping in significantly smaller, and FAR more competitive.

I don't think our "lack" of transfer activity is a factor of our owners losing interest, more that this next phase is going to be much more difficult.  It is orders of magnitude harder to recruit the players necessary to go from mid-table to Europe than it is to get players to move you from a relegation fight to mid-table.

Newcastle, widely regarded as the richest club in the world, and with hundreds of millions available to spend under FFP, have spent only £60m.  Because they face the same issues as us - getting players capable of improving a team enough to fight for Europe without being IN Europe.  They too will spend more as the window closes - but the lack of activity so far is not through lack of trying.

I have faith in the owners, and I don't think we are done this summer...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Randy Gurner on August 20, 2022, 01:58:17 PM
If I was Stevie G I'd put it in a £25M bid for Marcus Rashford, and probably put McGinn on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 02:00:54 PM
I don't get all this 'we only added one player'  to our team nonsense. Just because Carlos is injured,  dosent mean he should not be counted. Thats just trying to suit the argument. We also permanently signed Coutinho and Olsen and added Augustinsson. Maybe it's not enough but as a whole,  the sqaud is not in bad shape really.


The squad isn't in bad shape to achieve what?

I didn't suggest any targets,  I just made the point that it's not in bad shape. Look,  if you want to gripe that we haven't replaced a player who got badly injured 7 days ago,  then fair enough. Expect people to disagree though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 20, 2022, 02:03:01 PM
Read an article in The Times today about Arteta.  He struggled at first as he had to get rid of the troublemakers and dead wood.  Took a lot more flak than SG did with Tyrone but three windows later has turned things around.  So can’t judge SG yet
But Arteta inherited a mess, I dont think SG did?  Clearly it will take him time, but to me this was a case of building on solid foundations and adding quality and fight, rather than having to overhaul a squad

Arteta inherited a team in 10th place.  He finished 8th first season (took them up two places in the second half of the season), then 8th, then 5th at the end of his second full season.

Gerrard inherited a team in 16th place, finished 14th (took them up two places in the second half of the season), and we'll see this season how much higher we go than 14th. 

If you've watched the latest amazon thing on Arsenal, you'll have noticed that Arteta clearly has a very specific way he likes his teams to play, and is VERY clear on how he wants his players to behave - showing ruthlessness in bombing out Aubamayang last season - for free, just to get rid of him - being a prime example.  They also got within a whisker of the top 4, too.   This season they've started really well and appear to have bought really well again.

Whether Arteta is a good example of the benefits of staying with a manager in the early days when things aren't going great, or not, I don't know.  They're still not yet back in the champions league, after all, but clearly they have progressed under him after a few years of misfires post-Wenger.

The stuff I see and hear about Gerrard is IDENTICAL to what the Arsenal fans were saying about Arteta 18 months ago after he'd been in the job for a year or so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 02:04:46 PM
Before last summer, we were widely acknowledged as being near the bottom in the premier league for FFP wiggle room.   I haven't seen any "official" figures since Jack left, but obviously that sale will have helped a great deal - though we did spend a lot of that cash last summer and in January, too (we're still better off in FFP terms as £100m for jack and £100m on signings amortised over contract length is still a FFP positive in the short term).

My guess is that we DO have money to spend, maybe not another £100m, but certainly big, transfer-record-breaking money if the right player comes along, but they simply aren't available yet (and might not be during this window).

When the owners were spending £100m+ per transfer window, we were buying a squad. We were spending £20m-ish at a time on a few solid premier league players, which is a LOT easier to do than spending £100m one or two real stars.  See Notts Forest this summer - they've spent, what, £120m this window? But how many of their signings would you have wanted?  The amount spent is only relative to the quality it brings in.

We are in a difficult position now where the players who would DEFINITELY improve us, probably want European football, or have to be willing to buy into our project. That makes the pool we're shopping in significantly smaller, and FAR more competitive.

I don't think our "lack" of transfer activity is a factor of our owners losing interest, more that this next phase is going to be much more difficult.  It is orders of magnitude harder to recruit the players necessary to go from mid-table to Europe than it is to get players to move you from a relegation fight to mid-table.

Newcastle, widely regarded as the richest club in the world, and with hundreds of millions available to spend under FFP, have spent only £60m.  Because they face the same issues as us - getting players capable of improving a team enough to fight for Europe without being IN Europe.  They too will spend more as the window closes - but the lack of activity so far is not through lack of trying.

I have faith in the owners, and I don't think we are done this summer...





I hope you're right with us not being done this summer but I think we might be. Just on your points though, especially about the players not being available, as I mentioned earlier for me this isn't an excuse either because the clubs above us make those players available. My concern is, as I mentioned on another thread is that if we don't progress because we haven't brought in the players that aren't available then the likes of Martinez will be offski. There's bound to be another player who'll have a good season, maybe Bailey or Buendia and they'll be gone also. Selling our best players....another trend that Lerner and Doug did. The way around it for me, a club of our size trying achieve these ambitions we have, would be to go the Leicester route ie Mahez, kante etc and properly scout and bring on the next versions of the top players but we aren't even doing that now. Just can't figure out the plan in order to achieve these ambitions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 02:07:04 PM
Clubs not willing to let their players go is no excuse for not signing them? Really?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 02:07:11 PM
Carlos being injured doesn't impact the fact we bought him in the first place, of course not - we spent 30m on him, and he was going to be a big player for us - still will be, hopefully, once recovered.

I think there's a totally different discussion whereby, given Carlos is out, we're effectively running on last season's squad plus Kamara, Augstinsson and Olsen. I suspect that's not going to be sufficient strengthening to get where we want to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 20, 2022, 02:12:45 PM
That’s going to diminish the war chest.
Not happy as it would be zero net spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 02:13:48 PM
I don't get all this 'we only added one player'  to our team nonsense. Just because Carlos is injured,  dosent mean he should not be counted. Thats just trying to suit the argument. We also permanently signed Coutinho and Olsen and added Augustinsson. Maybe it's not enough but as a whole,  the sqaud is not in bad shape really.


The squad isn't in bad shape to achieve what?

I didn't suggest any targets,  I just made the point that it's not in bad shape. Look,  if you want to gripe that we haven't replaced a player who got badly injured 7 days ago,  then fair enough. Expect people to disagree though.


I fully expect someone to disagree with me, especially you I know how different my questioning of the owners is. Its easier to be a nodding dog. I asked you what the squad that "isn't in bad shape" should be be achieving. Top 6? Top 10? What? It might not be in bad shape to finish 14th again, as we have only improved the team by one player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 02:19:40 PM
We needed a holding midfielder for 2 years plus before actually getting one.  Early days for an 8. No flaws in their approach at all. 

Damn NSWE and their parsimonious ways. >:(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on August 20, 2022, 02:20:03 PM
I think the owners have been excellent, they've poured a fortune into the club, there is no doubting the money they've spent so far. They clearly have ambitions to improve the club at all levels, including the stadium.

There have been a couple of missteps, though. I think they missed an opportunity to appoint a top level manager when they had the chance - not having a needless pop at SG, who deserves time to show what he can do, but he's not a proven manager in a top league. I suspect that was largely done out of Purslow making an emotional decision.

The other one, and this is being somewhat harsh I think but in terms of the message sent out re what we want to achieve, there's a really fine line between being bullish and optimistic in saying where we want to go, and setting unrealistic expectations. This is a Purslow thing, really - I like the bloke, I think he knows how to run a football club, but listening to him talk I frequently wonder if he's effectively writing cheques he can't cash.





I think your last point is the one which I have been trying ti address but I don't think its just CP as WE came out after the play off final and said we want to become one of the biggest clubs in the world. We're are now entering our 4th year I'm the prem and I don't see us finishing above just below mid way. The clubs above us aren't won't ever slow down, so at some point ti achieve WE or CP ambitions were going to have to go big. We doing well in the FFP department I think, the teams above us are catchable (just about), united are dreadful (we don't know how long that will last) and we've improved our squad by 1 player now on last season.....what are we waiting for? Or stop selling a dream
Surely the big ground investment means our owners mean business? And top 4 involvement is years away whoever owns our club.
As long as steady progress is being made then I don't have a problem as things won't change overnight or indeed during this window.
I think we're fortunate to have them and I'm not getting frustrated with progress.
Many supporters of other clubs would take up our position.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 02:26:49 PM
I don't get all this 'we only added one player'  to our team nonsense. Just because Carlos is injured,  dosent mean he should not be counted. Thats just trying to suit the argument. We also permanently signed Coutinho and Olsen and added Augustinsson. Maybe it's not enough but as a whole,  the sqaud is not in bad shape really.


The squad isn't in bad shape to achieve what?

I didn't suggest any targets,  I just made the point that it's not in bad shape. Look,  if you want to gripe that we haven't replaced a player who got badly injured 7 days ago,  then fair enough. Expect people to disagree though.


I fully expect someone to disagree with me, especially you I know how different my questioning of the owners is. Its easier to be a nodding dog. I asked you what the squad that "isn't in bad shape" should be be achieving. Top 6? Top 10? What? It might not be in bad shape to finish 14th again, as we have only improved the team by one player.

I'm a 'nodding dog' because I disagree with you? Bit childish isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 02:31:41 PM
Let's take today. We're in a position where we've been able to freshen up a winning side and bring in Buendia and Bailey (who both cost pushing on £60m)  and leave Coutinho and Ings on the bench. We've not been able to do that for a long while. Yeah,  we can do more but lets do it right,  not just because we can.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 20, 2022, 02:36:38 PM
Before last summer, we were widely acknowledged as being near the bottom in the premier league for FFP wiggle room.   I haven't seen any "official" figures since Jack left, but obviously that sale will have helped a great deal - though we did spend a lot of that cash last summer and in January, too (we're still better off in FFP terms as £100m for jack and £100m on signings amortised over contract length is still a FFP positive in the short term).

My guess is that we DO have money to spend, maybe not another £100m, but certainly big, transfer-record-breaking money if the right player comes along, but they simply aren't available yet (and might not be during this window).

When the owners were spending £100m+ per transfer window, we were buying a squad. We were spending £20m-ish at a time on a few solid premier league players, which is a LOT easier to do than spending £100m one or two real stars.  See Notts Forest this summer - they've spent, what, £120m this window? But how many of their signings would you have wanted?  The amount spent is only relative to the quality it brings in.

We are in a difficult position now where the players who would DEFINITELY improve us, probably want European football, or have to be willing to buy into our project. That makes the pool we're shopping in significantly smaller, and FAR more competitive.

I don't think our "lack" of transfer activity is a factor of our owners losing interest, more that this next phase is going to be much more difficult.  It is orders of magnitude harder to recruit the players necessary to go from mid-table to Europe than it is to get players to move you from a relegation fight to mid-table.

Newcastle, widely regarded as the richest club in the world, and with hundreds of millions available to spend under FFP, have spent only £60m.  Because they face the same issues as us - getting players capable of improving a team enough to fight for Europe without being IN Europe.  They too will spend more as the window closes - but the lack of activity so far is not through lack of trying.

I have faith in the owners, and I don't think we are done this summer...





I hope you're right with us not being done this summer but I think we might be. Just on your points though, especially about the players not being available, as I mentioned earlier for me this isn't an excuse either because the clubs above us make those players available. My concern is, as I mentioned on another thread is that if we don't progress because we haven't brought in the players that aren't available then the likes of Martinez will be offski. There's bound to be another player who'll have a good season, maybe Bailey or Buendia and they'll be gone also. Selling our best players....another trend that Lerner and Doug did. The way around it for me, a club of our size trying achieve these ambitions we have, would be to go the Leicester route ie Mahez, kante etc and properly scout and bring on the next versions of the top players but we aren't even doing that now. Just can't figure out the plan in order to achieve these ambitions.

Dont necessarily have an issue with everything you’ve said, just think your being a little harsh. For example on what you said around the Leicester model, Kamara on a free kind of fits into this as does our focus on our youth structures, JJ, Tim, Feeney (will be on the first team squad this season). Plus there has been a slight shift since Gerrard came in of getting some tried and tested professionals/leaders in to balance out the youth and signings with potential. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 02:40:51 PM
From The Athletic:

Bertrand Traore and Morgan Sanson — the two big-money arrivals from January 2021 — are set to leave Aston Villa.

A number of Turkish clubs have shown an interest in taking both players on loan and Traore (pictured) is now closing in on a switch to Istanbul Basaksehir.

The winger, signed for £17million, has fallen out of favour under Steven Gerrard and knows he needs to move in search of game time.

Sanson’s situation is slightly more nuanced as Gerrard insists he has trained well and is pushing for involvement. It is understood that Villa have not given up hope on the Frenchman — signed for £14 million — featuring again in the future.

But like Traore, Sanson wants to be playing regularly, and the search for a temporary move is on.

Both Besiktas and Galatasaray have shown an interest and the former Marseille man is also open to a return back to France, with various options explored.

Neither player has made it into a 20-man Premier League squad for Villa this season with youngster Tim Iroegbunam travelling as the 21st man in case of any pre-game setbacks.

Ahead of Villa’s trip to Crystal Palace on Saturday, Gerrard said: “There’s a few things brewing in the background and a few plates spinning.

“We’re close on one or two different things (regarding outgoings).”

Speaking about Sanson, the 28-year-old who was signed before he joined the club, Gerrard said: “Morgan has been very professional, he’s been calm, he’s been training well but, at the same time, he’s frustrated with his game time.

“I respect that, I understand that so, if something lands for Morgan that he wants to pursue, we won’t stand in his way. At the same time, he’s training well and is pushing to be back in the frame.”

Villa got the bulk of their incoming transfer business done early but will still consider further additions before the September 1 deadline.

A replacement centre-back for the injured Diego Carlos is likely and while Villa are thought to be in no rush over a replacement as they seek the right deal, an approach has been made to Southampton over a possible move for Jan Bednarek.

There are also ongoing conversations around a new No 8 and other attacking players, with Gerrard saying: “We’re still analysing the three units in our system; forward line, the midfield line and, certainly now, from a defensive point of view.

“We were really set in that department but, obviously, we’re deciding and are talking now about whether we should do something there.

“The window’s still open, there’s still ten days so there’s a possibility we could look slightly different come the end of the window.”
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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2022, 02:45:25 PM
We are competing at the 4th Tier in terms of players , I think the market looks like this
1st  Tier Elite CL teams
2Tier CL Teams
3rd Tier other teams offering European Football
4th PL Teams that have ambition
5Th Tier other PL teams and European Teams i Italy Germany France Spain that are not in Europe.
And so on
Of course money age of player and other considerations are important but we are not competing on a level playing field.
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 02:52:05 PM
Before last summer, we were widely acknowledged as being near the bottom in the premier league for FFP wiggle room.   I haven't seen any "official" figures since Jack left, but obviously that sale will have helped a great deal - though we did spend a lot of that cash last summer and in January, too (we're still better off in FFP terms as £100m for jack and £100m on signings amortised over contract length is still a FFP positive in the short term).

My guess is that we DO have money to spend, maybe not another £100m, but certainly big, transfer-record-breaking money if the right player comes along, but they simply aren't available yet (and might not be during this window).

When the owners were spending £100m+ per transfer window, we were buying a squad. We were spending £20m-ish at a time on a few solid premier league players, which is a LOT easier to do than spending £100m one or two real stars.  See Notts Forest this summer - they've spent, what, £120m this window? But how many of their signings would you have wanted?  The amount spent is only relative to the quality it brings in.

We are in a difficult position now where the players who would DEFINITELY improve us, probably want European football, or have to be willing to buy into our project. That makes the pool we're shopping in significantly smaller, and FAR more competitive.

I don't think our "lack" of transfer activity is a factor of our owners losing interest, more that this next phase is going to be much more difficult.  It is orders of magnitude harder to recruit the players necessary to go from mid-table to Europe than it is to get players to move you from a relegation fight to mid-table.

Newcastle, widely regarded as the richest club in the world, and with hundreds of millions available to spend under FFP, have spent only £60m.  Because they face the same issues as us - getting players capable of improving a team enough to fight for Europe without being IN Europe.  They too will spend more as the window closes - but the lack of activity so far is not through lack of trying.

I have faith in the owners, and I don't think we are done this summer...





I hope you're right with us not being done this summer but I think we might be. Just on your points though, especially about the players not being available, as I mentioned earlier for me this isn't an excuse either because the clubs above us make those players available. My concern is, as I mentioned on another thread is that if we don't progress because we haven't brought in the players that aren't available then the likes of Martinez will be offski. There's bound to be another player who'll have a good season, maybe Bailey or Buendia and they'll be gone also. Selling our best players....another trend that Lerner and Doug did. The way around it for me, a club of our size trying achieve these ambitions we have, would be to go the Leicester route ie Mahez, kante etc and properly scout and bring on the next versions of the top players but we aren't even doing that now. Just can't figure out the plan in order to achieve these ambitions.

Dont necessarily have an issue with everything you’ve said, just think your being a little harsh. For example on what you said around the Leicester model, Kamara on a free kind of fits into this as does our focus on our youth structures, JJ, Tim, Feeney (will be on the first team squad this season). Plus there has been a slight shift since Gerrard came in of getting some tried and tested professionals/leaders in to balance out the youth and signings with potential. 


That's fair enough RE Kamara and Ramsey. I think they're probably assuming (rightly or wrongly) that the signings of last year will propel them up the league. I personally don't see it, for instance you've mentioned Ramsey, I think we should have upgraded this window and he should be developed properly by not overrelying on him. I dont see how that would have been such a stretch on the finances and would help us get to where they stress they want to be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 20, 2022, 04:57:40 PM
There’s a choice to be made. Improve the quality of player or replacement the manager. What we can’t do is limp forwards thinking things will get better without change because it won’t.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 20, 2022, 05:10:41 PM
Why does it only ever seem to be us who have a problem with FFP? Some clubs ignore it and pay whatever it costs, others never seem to mention it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 20, 2022, 05:13:22 PM
Why does it only ever seem to be us who have a problem with FFP? Some clubs ignore it and pay whatever it costs, others never seem to mention it.



I mentioned this earlier. It must have something to do with being the only club to ever get done for tapping up a player when everyone does it. In true villa form we didn't get the player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 20, 2022, 05:13:23 PM
Read an article in The Times today about Arteta.  He struggled at first as he had to get rid of the troublemakers and dead wood.  Took a lot more flak than SG did with Tyrone but three windows later has turned things around.  So can’t judge SG yet
But Arteta inherited a mess, I dont think SG did?  Clearly it will take him time, but to me this was a case of building on solid foundations and adding quality and fight, rather than having to overhaul a squad

Arteta inherited a team in 10th place.  He finished 8th first season (took them up two places in the second half of the season), then 8th, then 5th at the end of his second full season.

Gerrard inherited a team in 16th place, finished 14th (took them up two places in the second half of the season), and we'll see this season how much higher we go than 14th. 

If you've watched the latest amazon thing on Arsenal, you'll have noticed that Arteta clearly has a very specific way he likes his teams to play, and is VERY clear on how he wants his players to behave - showing ruthlessness in bombing out Aubamayang last season - for free, just to get rid of him - being a prime example.  They also got within a whisker of the top 4, too.   This season they've started really well and appear to have bought really well again.

Whether Arteta is a good example of the benefits of staying with a manager in the early days when things aren't going great, or not, I don't know.  They're still not yet back in the champions league, after all, but clearly they have progressed under him after a few years of misfires post-Wenger.

The stuff I see and hear about Gerrard is IDENTICAL to what the Arsenal fans were saying about Arteta 18 months ago after he'd been in the job for a year or so.

There is absolutely no way in hell Arsenal ever put in 3 performances as bad as our last 3 after arteta had been there for 9 months. No way
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 20, 2022, 05:17:39 PM
They lost their first 3 last season didn't they? Don't know about their performances though and I'm not defending Gerrard but they were definitely being laughed at.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 20, 2022, 05:19:22 PM
Read an article in The Times today about Arteta.  He struggled at first as he had to get rid of the troublemakers and dead wood.  Took a lot more flak than SG did with Tyrone but three windows later has turned things around.  So can’t judge SG yet
But Arteta inherited a mess, I dont think SG did?  Clearly it will take him time, but to me this was a case of building on solid foundations and adding quality and fight, rather than having to overhaul a squad

Arteta inherited a team in 10th place.  He finished 8th first season (took them up two places in the second half of the season), then 8th, then 5th at the end of his second full season.

Gerrard inherited a team in 16th place, finished 14th (took them up two places in the second half of the season), and we'll see this season how much higher we go than 14th. 

If you've watched the latest amazon thing on Arsenal, you'll have noticed that Arteta clearly has a very specific way he likes his teams to play, and is VERY clear on how he wants his players to behave - showing ruthlessness in bombing out Aubamayang last season - for free, just to get rid of him - being a prime example.  They also got within a whisker of the top 4, too.   This season they've started really well and appear to have bought really well again.

Whether Arteta is a good example of the benefits of staying with a manager in the early days when things aren't going great, or not, I don't know.  They're still not yet back in the champions league, after all, but clearly they have progressed under him after a few years of misfires post-Wenger.

The stuff I see and hear about Gerrard is IDENTICAL to what the Arsenal fans were saying about Arteta 18 months ago after he'd been in the job for a year or so.

There is absolutely no way in hell Arsenal ever put in 3 performances as bad as our last 3 after arteta had been there for 9 months. No way

After he'd been there 11 months.

Arsenal 0-3 Aston Villa
Leeds 0-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-2 Wolves
Spurs 2-0 Arsenal
Arsenal 0-1 Burnley
Arsenal 1-1 Southampton
Everton 2-1 Arsenal
Arsenal 1-4 Man City


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 05:53:38 PM
Why does it only ever seem to be us who have a problem with FFP? Some clubs ignore it and pay whatever it costs, others never seem to mention it.



I mentioned this earlier. It must have something to do with being the only club to ever get done for tapping up a player when everyone does it. In true villa form we didn't get the player.

James Beattie? Don't think he would have got us much higher tbh. Dolly was always gonna fuck it up for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 20, 2022, 05:58:21 PM
Close that chequebook Wes and Nas - Don't give this chancer another fucking penny.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 20, 2022, 06:04:20 PM
Close that chequebook Wes and Nas - Don't give this chancer another fucking penny.

I agree.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 20, 2022, 06:06:14 PM
Keep it open and do what’s needed and quickly. What will happen is that we’ll carry on in true Villa style hoping things will change. Watching Arsenal destroy Bournemouth has just cemented the fact this squad should’ve been overhauled in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 06:06:19 PM
I wonder if that’s why he’s not been given more support
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 06:06:26 PM
Close that chequebook Wes and Nas - Don't give this chancer another fucking penny.

I agree.

What are wrong with the players he has signed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2022, 06:08:04 PM
Close that chequebook Wes and Nas - Don't give this chancer another fucking penny.

Keep it open but just get someone decent in quick.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 20, 2022, 06:14:00 PM
Just saw a tweet that flashed before my eyes from Greg Evans that we had reached agreement for Sarr from Watford, and then in another flash it was quickly deleted 😁
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 20, 2022, 06:15:25 PM
I saw tweets about reaching a deal for Sarr. If you'd have asked me in May, I'd have said yes. Ask me tonight, I'd say, "stop messing about and buy a sodding defensive midfielder."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2022, 06:15:29 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 20, 2022, 06:18:33 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.



As long as we sort the CB and CM as well….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 20, 2022, 06:19:42 PM
Hearing we agreed a deal for Sarr? Just 12 months too late...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 06:19:42 PM
Vinnie, any rumblings from our owners?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 06:21:04 PM
Vinnie, any grumblings from our owners?

FTFY. ;)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2022, 06:21:43 PM
How would Sarr fit into the way Gerrard plays? Same as Bailey where he tries to convert a winger into a number 10?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 06:22:55 PM
Vinnie,  who are these four players that you know that we are after? Third time of asking now.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 06:25:11 PM
Carlos being injured doesn't impact the fact we bought him in the first place, of course not - we spent 30m on him, and he was going to be a big player for us - still will be, hopefully, once recovered.

I think there's a totally different discussion whereby, given Carlos is out, we're effectively running on last season's squad plus Kamara, Augstinsson and Olsen. I suspect that's not going to be sufficient strengthening to get where we want to be.

Yep agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 20, 2022, 06:37:09 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.



As long as we sort the CB and CM as well….

Quite.

Sangaire and Carr too would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 06:37:42 PM
How would Sarr fit into the way Gerrard plays? Same as Bailey where he tries to convert a winger into a number 10?

Indeed, puzzling
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 20, 2022, 06:39:10 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.



As long as we sort the CB and CM as well….

Quite.

Sangaire and Carr too would be nice.
Think Franz Carr is a bit leggy nowadays
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 20, 2022, 06:40:24 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.



As long as we sort the CB and CM as well….

Quite.

Sangaire and Carr too would be nice.
Think Franz Carr is a bit leggy nowadays
I think Alan Carr would be more in keeping with our current attacking prowess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 06:41:08 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.
Agree
He doesn't fit the system.
Not sure that's what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 20, 2022, 06:43:45 PM
How would Sarr fit into the way Gerrard plays? Same as Bailey where he tries to convert a winger into a number 10?

Hopefully he'll work with Sarr for 3 games and then next manager comes in and just plays him in a 4-3-3/4-2-3-1.

Always like Sarr and he was easily Watford's best player last season. Still young with loads of room for improvement and fee dosen't sound too OTT so good deal and will be a good player for next manager to work with whenever that may be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 20, 2022, 06:44:16 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.
Agree
He doesn't fit the system.
Not sure that's what we need.

That’s not a problem. We don’t seem to have a system for him not to fit into.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 06:45:28 PM
Sarr would be a great signing.

Not the right signing though.
Agree
He doesn't fit the system.
Not sure that's what we need.

We have a system??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 06:46:37 PM
Unless Sarr decides he is suddenly a midfielder who can control and pass a football I don’t see why we need another winger. No criticism at all of him but how does he fix what we all saw today and most of this season? Now, if it’s Sarr and two or three more top players then fair enough. Because we need the other players; in central midfield and defence much more than we need a winger.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on August 20, 2022, 06:48:01 PM
Watford fans think it’s happening.
Tweets started in France and picked up momentum with other sources allegedly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on August 20, 2022, 06:48:43 PM
If true there must be others to follow surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 20, 2022, 06:53:37 PM
Send Bert to Watford instead of Turkey and swap him for Sarr and a mini-wheelbarrow of cash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 20, 2022, 06:53:49 PM
Sarr would make no sense and would smack of panic buying. I'd rather use the £30m or whatever it is and get a proper fucking manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 20, 2022, 06:55:21 PM
Sarr wouldn’t be my choice personally, another 7 stone weakling who plays in a position we don’t use seems pretty pointless, if we want an inconsistent winger who only turns up every 4 or 5 games we could have just kept Traore.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 20, 2022, 06:55:31 PM
Here-we-go Romano has tweeted it so I'd say this is looks likely now.

Strange signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:00:40 PM
Analysing the squad and this is what Lange has come up with ? A right winger
Are they all on the same page for the supposed way we play
I like Sarr he's quality player and he scored that amazing goal against West Brom this season but whats the plan here Lange ?
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 20, 2022, 07:01:06 PM
Vinnie,  who are these four players that you know that we are after? Third time of asking now.



Sangare was one (pre his new contract), we’ve registered interest in Tielemens but he’s waiting to see if Arsenal make a move, Gallagher is another but waiting to see what Chelsea want to do. No idea on 4th. Outside of this I’m sure more is on cards/enquired I’ve just only heard of these
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 20, 2022, 07:03:09 PM
Vinnie, any rumblings from our owners?

Think we may now have a busy end to this window. Personally if we don’t sign a new bloody top CM then I’m going to be pissed.
Taking my lad (6) to his first game Sunday (guy who sits next t me is away so  got his ST) and I’m dreading it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 07:04:05 PM
We are massively lacking in the middle. No presence. But if the tactic is just welly the ball long from the back then we could have Zidance, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta etc and it wouldn’t matter. The constant long ball lumping up tactic has to stop.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 07:07:56 PM
Vinnie,  who are these four players that you know that we are after? Third time of asking now.



Sangare was one (pre his new contract), we’ve registered interest in Tielemens but he’s waiting to see if Arsenal make a move, Gallagher is another but waiting to see what Chelsea want to do. No idea on 4th. Outside of this I’m sure more is on cards/enquired I’ve just only heard of these

Thanks. Let's hope one of them comes off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 07:08:36 PM
Sarr would make no sense and would smack of panic buying. I'd rather use the £30m or whatever it is and get a proper fucking manager.

€25-28m + 15% of any future sale from what I've read which seems reasonable. Would seem strange if it's the only signing before the end of the window but I'm not going to turn my nose up at a winger who scores 1 in 4 every games for Watford.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2022, 07:08:49 PM
Sarr would make no sense and would smack of panic buying. I'd rather use the £30m or whatever it is and get a proper fucking manager.
My  thoughts exactly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on August 20, 2022, 07:14:35 PM
Me too
Trarore, El Ghazi, Bailey , we have a few of these.
Shithouse midfielder before anyone
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 07:15:21 PM
Why on earth would we be buying a winger for Gerrard's tactics?

Is there any joined-up thinking going on here?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 20, 2022, 07:15:26 PM
Maybe the overlapping wing back tactic is being binned for a more conventional system with full backs and wingers. 4-5-1 with three in the middle and two out wide.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 20, 2022, 07:18:58 PM
But that'd mean him changing 'his' tactic?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 20, 2022, 07:21:58 PM
Expect if Sarr is happening then we’re looking at Arsenal setup 4231

Kamara and another in double pivot
Buendia or McGinn in front

Sarr wide with Bailey/Coutinho
Watkins upfront
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 20, 2022, 07:23:37 PM
Expect if Sarr is happening then we’re looking at Arsenal setup 4231

Kamara and another in double pivot
Buendia or McGinn in front

Sarr wide with Bailey/Coutinho
Watkins upfront

That sounds more sensible to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 20, 2022, 07:25:09 PM
I hope so. With the right personnel, I think 4-2-3-1 with a double pivot is the way to go these days. Not sure what it would mean for the likes of McGinn though who for me is neither one thing nor another.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 20, 2022, 07:25:28 PM
Sarr is an odd one if true. Might explain why Lange was there the other night though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2022, 07:27:25 PM
Sarr is an odd one if true. Might explain why Lange was there the other night though.
I think most had guessed anyway
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 20, 2022, 07:28:19 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if there’s been an offer on the table for Tielmans and the player is waiting to see if something better materialises.

He’d suit the 4231 formation.  That said, he should be playing 4231 anyway if that is the master plan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 07:28:29 PM
Expect if Sarr is happening then we’re looking at Arsenal setup 4231

Kamara and another in double pivot
Buendia or McGinn in front

Sarr wide with Bailey/Coutinho
Watkins upfront

That sounds more sensible to me.

Yes, like the sound of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on August 20, 2022, 07:30:14 PM
We keep saying we lack pace and I agree- but pace generally comes from wide forwards Sarr fits the bill and he’s 6ft plus and we lack height so…
Agree totally about a revised formation
I can’t believe another top midfielder not coming in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 20, 2022, 07:30:49 PM
I wouldnt be surprised if there’s been an offer on the table for Tielmans and the player is waiting to see if something better materialises.

He’d suit the 4231 formation.  That said, he should be playing 4231 anyway if that is the master plan.

True
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 20, 2022, 07:31:46 PM
You can put any name in any formation. Looks great on paper, but if the tactics, awareness, gameplay and desire isn’t coming from the top down, you get the shitshow we have had this season so far.
Names and formations were free flowing before Bournemouth.
it’s going well isn’t it?

How many of our players have improved since last November?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:31:56 PM
Sarr has supposedly either held talks and been linked to so many clubs this window Liverpool, Newcastle,Leeds, Man Utd, Palace Everton.

And now looks like we're the ones taking him

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 07:34:20 PM
We keep saying we lack pace and I agree- but pace generally comes from wide forwards Sarr fits the bill and he’s 6ft plus and we lack height so…
Agree totally about a revised formation
I can’t believe another top midfielder not coming in
Good point
Theres the analysis of what we have don't have and what extra was needed in the attacking third
Makes some sense now.
Good post.

Now let's hope that Lange  analysis on the midfield and defence brings us some transfer joy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 20, 2022, 07:39:02 PM
To be honest what ive seen from Gerrard it doesn't matter who we sign, he has no idea of how to set up a playing team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on August 20, 2022, 07:41:49 PM
To be honest what ive seen from Gerrard it doesn't matter who we sign, he has no idea of how to set up a playing team.
Well we are definitely going to test that assessment- let’s hope you are wrong
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2022, 07:45:52 PM
Our version of the 4-3-3 makes no sense with the current squad we have.

How are Bailey, Buendia, Watkins, Coutinho, Buendia, Ramsey and Sarr supposed to be on the pitch at the same time?

A senseless log jam at a wide position we don’t even use properly. We struggle to get the ball out wide to Bailey as it is. This wreaks of an Everton signing.. expensive and doesn’t seem very well thought out. I hope I’m wrong. We better not be done in the market, far bigger issues than a wide player. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on August 20, 2022, 08:00:23 PM
Our version of the 4-3-3 makes no sense with the current squad we have.

How are Bailey, Buendia, Watkins, Coutinho, Buendia, Ramsey and Sarr supposed to be on the pitch at the same time?

A senseless log jam at a wide position we don’t even use properly. We struggle to get the ball out wide to Bailey as it is. This wreaks of an Everton signing.. expensive and doesn’t seem very well thought out. I hope I’m wrong. We better not be done in the market, far bigger issues than a wide player.
This must surely mean a rejig of our system.If it doesn't then SG deserves to be sacked.We're only paying £4m more than Everton paid for McNeil.A top quality player alongside Kamara is needed.It wouldn't surprise me if  Luiz or McGinn was sold.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2022, 08:04:59 PM
Our version of the 4-3-3 makes no sense with the current squad we have.

How are Bailey, Buendia, Watkins, Coutinho, Buendia, Ramsey and Sarr supposed to be on the pitch at the same time?

A senseless log jam at a wide position we don’t even use properly. We struggle to get the ball out wide to Bailey as it is. This wreaks of an Everton signing.. expensive and doesn’t seem very well thought out. I hope I’m wrong. We better not be done in the market, far bigger issues than a wide player.
This must surely mean a rejig of our system.If it doesn't then SG deserves to be sacked.We're only paying £4m more than Everton paid for McNeil.A top quality player alongside Kamara is needed.It wouldn't surprise me if  Luiz or McGinn was sold.

I agree.. 4-2-3-1?

Kamara is the only player guaranteed to start. Would he be alongside Dougie?

Then the three across the front is a complete toss up. I think it could work and allow Cash/Digne to focus on defensive discipline instead of occupying 80yds up and down the wing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 08:07:54 PM
We are massively lacking in the middle. No presence. But if the tactic is just welly the ball long from the back then we could have Zidance, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta etc and it wouldn’t matter. The constant long ball lumping up tactic has to stop.

Have to go long if the midfield three hide. We only stopped going long today when Luiz came on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2022, 08:21:40 PM
We are massively lacking in the middle. No presence. But if the tactic is just welly the ball long from the back then we could have Zidance, Pirlo, Xavi, Iniesta etc and it wouldn’t matter. The constant long ball lumping up tactic has to stop.

Have to go long if the midfield three hide. We only stopped going long today when Luiz came on.

Palace killed us with the long ball today. We have Leon Bailey, Ollie Watkins and now (apparently) Ismailia Sarr.. do we have to play like Barca?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 20, 2022, 08:26:28 PM
What’s Ali Dia up to these days?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2022, 08:29:27 PM
Today (again) we were massively susceptible to long balls over the top and at set pieces coming in. We shouldn’t need the transfer market to address those problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 08:37:10 PM
Today (again) we were massively susceptible to long balls over the top and at set pieces coming in. We shouldn’t need the transfer market to address those problems.

Both full backs pushed up the pitch means we are very vulnerable on the counter. Palace played quick long balls and turned into 2 v 2 very quickly. Martinez's positioning was awful too. If you play a very high line your keeper needs to be playing off his 18 yard box like Ederson and Allison do.

That's why I'd cut Konsa and Mings a bit of slack today...they had zero support in front, to the sides and behind them. Kamara at 6 was an absolute joke too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 08:39:58 PM
Today (again) we were massively susceptible to long balls over the top and at set pieces coming in. We shouldn’t need the transfer market to address those problems.

Strangely enough I was reading the Sevco forum after their disappointing result today, they were complaining about how poor their set pieces are under GVB compared to Gerrard's when they "were the best in the league".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2022, 08:41:47 PM
Today (again) we were massively susceptible to long balls over the top and at set pieces coming in. We shouldn’t need the transfer market to address those problems.

Both full backs pushed up the pitch means we are very vulnerable on the counter. Palace played quick long balls and turned into 2 v 2 very quickly. Martinez's positioning was awful too. If you play a very high line your keeper needs to be playing off his 18 yard box like Ederson and Allison do.

That's why I'd cut Konsa and Mings a bit of slack today...they had zero support in front, to the sides and behind them. Kamara at 6 was an absolute joke too.

Agreed. I actually thought the centre halves did what they could in the circumstances. Looking at our problems today it was shape and tactics - not something spending more money will necessarily fix. We should be doing more with what we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on August 20, 2022, 08:42:04 PM
Today (again) we were massively susceptible to long balls over the top and at set pieces coming in. We shouldn’t need the transfer market to address those problems.

Both full backs pushed up the pitch means we are very vulnerable on the counter. Palace played quick long balls and turned into 2 v 2 very quickly. Martinez's positioning was awful too. If you play a very high line your keeper needs to be playing off his 18 yard box like Ederson and Allison do.

That's why I'd cut Konsa and Mings a bit of slack today...they had zero support in front, to the sides and behind them. Kamara at 6 was an absolute joke too.
Yes, the number of times it happened with a long ball or diagonal ball was obvious, but we did nothing to combat it. Interesting point about Emi. Much as I thought Kamara did well last Saturday, I agree that he gave little protection today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 20, 2022, 08:47:21 PM
We've needed a DM for years, we go and get one and then leave him and the Centre Backs completely exposed by pushing the full backs way up the pitch. Lunacy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 20, 2022, 08:50:45 PM
But that'd mean him changing 'his' tactic?

Indeed. I think I'd actually be more concerned if he's just decided to give up on his entire strategy (sic), and his way of playing just because he's panicking.

If he thought that someone like Sarr was the missing piece of the puzzle to make the whole thing work, why wasn't he just using that system with a Sarr replacement up until now?

Just smells of desperation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 08:54:49 PM
The club shouldn't be giving Gerrard another cent to spend. So we dump Trez, Traore, AEG et al as we had no need for wingers, buy another no.10 in Coutinho and now we are backing buying a winger again! Utter madness.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 08:59:02 PM
Alfredo Morelos..?

Walking red card

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62529334
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:04:58 PM
The club shouldn't be giving Gerrard another cent to spend. So we dump Trez, Traore, AEG et al as we had no need for wingers, buy another no.10 in Coutinho and now we are backing buying a winger again! Utter madness.

If the club back him they should, as they should with any manager they believe in. You might feel differently and that’s fine, but a club shouldn’t hamstring a manager they want to keep. Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger. Personally I’d be prioritising a centre-mid, but hopefully they’re doing that too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 20, 2022, 09:11:54 PM
The club shouldn't be giving Gerrard another cent to spend. So we dump Trez, Traore, AEG et al as we had no need for wingers, buy another no.10 in Coutinho and now we are backing buying a winger again! Utter madness.

If the club back him they should, as they should with any manager they believe in. You might feel differently and that’s fine, but a club shouldn’t hamstring a manager they want to keep. Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger. Personally I’d be prioritising a centre-mid, but hopefully they’re doing that too.

Agree with this. If they don’t, they should have replaced him at the end of last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 20, 2022, 09:12:08 PM
Alfredo Morelos..?

Walking red card

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62529334

 ;D ;D

That’s amazing. For the record, I wasn’t advocating for him. I just saw a lazy link and threw it out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 20, 2022, 09:12:15 PM
Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger.

Why then, would they hire a manager who uses full-backs over wingers to provide attacking width?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:15:42 PM
Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger.

Why then, would they hire a manager who uses full-backs over wingers to provide attacking width?

That I don’t know the answer too, except potentially he/they do want to adapt their style in some way. Or of course I’m wrong on that and they don’t see him as a winger.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 20, 2022, 09:16:02 PM
Alfredo Morelos..?

Walking red card

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/62529334

 ;D ;D

That’s amazing. For the record, I wasn’t advocating for him. I just saw a lazy link and threw it out there.

I know that, I just recalled it being posted during the week when I read their match report today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 20, 2022, 09:22:55 PM
Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger.

Why then, would they hire a manager who uses full-backs over wingers to provide attacking width?

That I don’t know the answer too, except potentially he/they do want to adapt their style in some way. Or of course I’m wrong on that and they don’t see him as a winger.

Well, if he's adapting his style then he's not shown any signs of it yet. Meaning that the "rip it all up and just buy a winger" panic, is a panic.

And if the plan is to adapt a definite winger into a more central player, you'd think he'd either try that at some point with Bailey first, use Buendia a bit more, or not bomb out Traore without trying him there. Given he plays there fairly capably for his country.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 20, 2022, 09:27:14 PM
Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger.

Why then, would they hire a manager who uses full-backs over wingers to provide attacking width?

That I don’t know the answer too, except potentially he/they do want to adapt their style in some way. Or of course I’m wrong on that and they don’t see him as a winger.

Well, if he's adapting his style then he's not shown any signs of it yet. Meaning that the "rip it all up and just buy a winger" panic, is a panic.

And if the plan is to adapt a definite winger into a more central player, you'd think he'd either try that at some point with Bailey first, use Buendia a bit more, or not bomb out Traore without trying him there. Given he plays there fairly capably for his country.

Fair points - you could well be right, and if that’s the case it’s clearly a worry. I just hope there’s some more science to it, because to date I think the signings have been good on the whole.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 20, 2022, 09:33:24 PM
Also the winger point, it may be that the club thinks we need a higher standard of winger.

Why then, would they hire a manager who uses full-backs over wingers to provide attacking width?

That I don’t know the answer too, except potentially he/they do want to adapt their style in some way. Or of course I’m wrong on that and they don’t see him as a winger.

Well, if he's adapting his style then he's not shown any signs of it yet. Meaning that the "rip it all up and just buy a winger" panic, is a panic.

And if the plan is to adapt a definite winger into a more central player, you'd think he'd either try that at some point with Bailey first, use Buendia a bit more, or not bomb out Traore without trying him there. Given he plays there fairly capably for his country.

Fair points - you could well be right, and if that’s the case it’s clearly a worry. I just hope there’s some more science to it, because to date I think the signings have been good on the whole.

I'd agree. It's just the the bloke responsible for putting them into a team hasn't really shown much of a sign of knowing how to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 20, 2022, 09:39:10 PM
Remember back we got Gerrard and people were concerned he’d get the Liverpool job…..lol!!!

A centre half and another class DM to go alongside Kamara….no more bloody wingers please
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on August 20, 2022, 09:52:35 PM
Our version of the 4-3-3 makes no sense with the current squad we have.

How are Bailey, Buendia, Watkins, Coutinho, Buendia, Ramsey and Sarr supposed to be on the pitch at the same time?

A senseless log jam at a wide position we don’t even use properly. We struggle to get the ball out wide to Bailey as it is. This wreaks of an Everton signing.. expensive and doesn’t seem very well thought out. I hope I’m wrong. We better not be done in the market, far bigger issues than a wide player. 

This. Don't see the point in signing Sarr. We have more pressing issues to resolve elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2022, 09:56:14 PM
I have no idea why we are buying Sarr.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 20, 2022, 09:56:42 PM
Hopefully it means we’ve got more coming in and this is the first of a couple. If not, it’s a strange one on its own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 20, 2022, 09:58:46 PM
Hopefully it means we’ve got more coming in and this is the first of a couple. If not, it’s a strange one on its own.
Based on the way the team is set up it’s bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on August 20, 2022, 10:01:22 PM
Hopefully it means we’ve got more coming in and this is the first of a couple. If not, it’s a strange one on its own.

It's a strange one regardless. Unnecessary.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 20, 2022, 10:01:56 PM
Hopefully it means we’ve got more coming in and this is the first of a couple. If not, it’s a strange one on its own.
Based on the way the team is set up it’s bonkers.

I don't, I'm sure he can drop in to cover Cash, ffs
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 20, 2022, 10:21:47 PM
Yep, no idea why we’re signing Sarr when we already have Watkins, Ings, Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Archer for the front three and can’t accommodate them all.
Central midfield still the biggest issue.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 20, 2022, 10:28:40 PM
Dog shit signing this one. Another bloke to stand out there watching as we get over run in midfield and out of position in defence. We need a big, solid mobile bastard to play with Kamara and replace Mcginn in the team, who's shite.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 20, 2022, 10:29:56 PM
Our continued efforts to replace Jack Grealish are shambolic. It started with Ings and now Sarr.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on August 20, 2022, 10:30:41 PM
Yep, no idea why we’re signing Sarr when we already have Watkins, Ings, Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Archer for the front three and can’t accommodate them all.
Central midfield still the biggest issue.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 20, 2022, 10:30:53 PM
No idea why we’re signing Sarr for 24m - doesn’t suit any formation SG plays - feels panicked.

Not as good as Bailey, probably not much better than Bert. 

Our midfield is shite, Mings seems to be our only functioning CB - we have no
Cover for left or right back.  So let’s sign a winger when we don’t play them

Something needs to start making sense before we start looking like Everton
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 20, 2022, 10:35:04 PM
At least he's got resale value and it adds strength in depth.

The downside is we probably won't need strength in depth when we fail to qualify for Europe again.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 20, 2022, 11:14:18 PM
With the late dash of the window and way we go opportunistic then Harry Winks would be one wouldn't he.
No game time and a certain pedigree.
I draw the line at Bednarek and Barkley coming in.
Gallagher is at a push depending on Chelsea business

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 20, 2022, 11:23:31 PM
Sarr will be competition for Bailey and nothing more. There is no masterplan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 21, 2022, 12:11:22 AM
Can anyone give a decent anaylsis of Sarr? Hopefully he at least has pace to burn and can carry the ball comfortably.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 21, 2022, 12:28:18 AM
Can he play central midfield?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2022, 12:29:02 AM
Winks is too lightweight ffs.

We blatantly need a couple of bigger,  stronger players. We are way too lightweight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2022, 12:41:22 AM
Can anyone give a decent anaylsis of Sarr? Hopefully he at least has pace to burn and can carry the ball comfortably.

Matt Targett certainly can, was totally taken to the cleaners on opening day of last season by Sarr. Also set up the goal Watford scored at VP.

I think this is more a club signing than Gerrard but then he can hardly complain can he? Digne, Coutinho, Carlos and Kamara all signed on his request in last six months.

Sarr is very easy to drop into front 3/ 4-2-3-1 once we change the manager so amongst all the bemusement I think a long term viewpoint needs to be adopted to this.

He's only 24 and has good experience in european leagues now and 25m or so is reasonable price for that sort of profile these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2022, 12:42:56 AM
Winks is too lightweight ffs.

We blatantly need a couple of bigger,  stronger players. We are way too lightweight.

Winks or McTominay is my nightmare deadline day signings.

Would be similar to when we signed Djemba Djemba or Lambert had that spell signing  Senderos, Richardson and Joe Cole within a few weeks.

He still wouldn't drop McGinn either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2022, 12:49:44 AM
Agreed.

We need a couple of beats that actually allow us to win the battle.  Sidelining Nakamba on days like today is just bonkers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2022, 12:53:39 AM
Agreed.

We need a couple of beats that actually allow us to win the battle.  Sidelining Nakamba on days like today is just bonkers.

So annoying seeing Bissouma just warming the bench for Spurs.

His physicality and premier league experience would've been ideal to drop in alongside Kamara.

I just don't understand how we can be close to signing Bentancur in January and also bidding for Bissouma and then just suddenly decide Kamara is enough.

We saw in games like today the midfield structure is just going to leave him badly expose. We have to go 4-2-3-1 next game and put Luiz next to Kamara in the pivot and see how it goes, should've done that at half time today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 21, 2022, 02:27:50 AM
Oh goody another winger to add to our unused collection.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 21, 2022, 02:36:14 AM
Winks is too lightweight ffs.

We blatantly need a couple of bigger,  stronger players. We are way too lightweight.

Winks or McTominay is my nightmare deadline day signings.

Would be similar to when we signed Djemba Djemba or Lambert had that spell signing  Senderos, Richardson and Joe Cole within a few weeks.

He still wouldn't drop McGinn either.

This site melted the day we signed the Djemba twins.  Not because people were so outraged. The majority seemed to feel we had signed a gem (or Djem).

Plenty were chuffed with the Joe Cole signing as well. The OS had a graphic showing how many leagues and FA Cups he'd won, as if we were buying those. Sadly Joe Cole ver 2014 would break down after 10 minutes of mild exertion.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on August 21, 2022, 04:33:27 AM
Spend whatever it takes to sack SG off and bring in a manager worthy of the job title. If that means Pochettino then so be it. It’s totally pointless throwing more money at this squad with the current management running the shit show.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 21, 2022, 07:41:55 AM
I have no idea why we are buying Sarr.
It's a bit of a strange signing. Think someone else mentioned it being a club signing rather than a Gerrard signing, which I think there's some truth to.

Might well be wrong, but the only logical explanations I have are either that Gerrard is planning to change his style/tactics - or more likely the club are, and that'll be at the expense of Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: WRVilla on August 21, 2022, 07:47:40 AM
I was expecting to see a bit of an exodus of wingers/wide players as they just don’t seem to fit the current system so this is an interesting one. Hopefully Sarr signing for us points to a rethink as we currently don’t have the players for it and everybody knows it - players, fans and unfortunately for us, the opposition too!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2022, 08:03:40 AM
I was expecting to see a bit of an exodus of wingers/wide players as they just don’t seem to fit the current system so this is an interesting one. Hopefully Sarr signing for us points to a rethink as we currently don’t have the players for it and everybody knows it - players, fans and unfortunately for us, the opposition too!

I admire your optimism but I suspect it merely points to panic
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 08:09:54 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2022, 09:00:30 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.

One we do want 100%
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 21, 2022, 09:06:42 AM
Just read Man U are in for him, so don’t think it’s happening
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 21, 2022, 09:08:15 AM
Another problem now is that any player who is 50/50 might look at Gerrard's position as being precarious and so moving to the Villa a risk to their career.  It's a fucking right mess. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2022, 09:09:17 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.

One we do want 100%

Nice hearing that from you Vinnie.

I’d be delighted with that one, although does seem a bit unlikely - but then I guess Coutinho was.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: qwerty on August 21, 2022, 09:10:57 AM
Outfought, outplayed, weak and soft are common descriptions of Villa’s players.

How novel would it be to introduce some mean, brick-outhouse types with a minimum height of 6 feet and a pathological hatred of allowing an opposition player to go by them?

I had in mind Oriol Romeu (DM) and Jan Bednarek/ Duje Ćaleta-Car (CB) for starters, with the addition of Shaun Teale as a specialist defensive coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 09:17:25 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.

One we do want 100%

Nice hearing that from you Vinnie.

I’d be delighted with that one, although does seem a bit unlikely - but then I guess Coutinho was.


Arsenal have played a waiting game haven't they for him. All the gossip since the end of last season was he was going there.
If we swoop for him I think many would be delighted and a real coup.
Has a great range of passing, able to control a midfield and play 6 or 8.

I think it's one of those isn't it .
Wait for other clubs interest in a players fanciful choice and if that club don't make the right offer/move then swooping occurs.
Tielmans seems to have his fill with Leicester and clearly not signing any new contract. His head has been turned and Leicester finances are seemingly an issue.

I'm sure we would match wage wise what others would offer him and Leicester will take what they can transfer fee wise so I just hope Youri Tielemans can see benefit coming here as he most certainly be integral to our midfield and the team
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 21, 2022, 09:20:18 AM
At least he's got resale value and it adds strength in depth.

The downside is we probably won't need strength in depth when we fail to qualify for Europe again.
I’m not into this resale value stuff - the vast majority of our signings go for free.  We said that about the likes of Bert, AEG, Sanson etc and all are in a bomb squad
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 21, 2022, 09:25:12 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.

One we do want 100%

Good to hear Vinnie, but I'd like Margot Robbie as my housekeeper.... Doesn't mean I'm going to get her!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 21, 2022, 09:30:49 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.

One we do want 100%

Good to hear Vinnie, but I'd like Margot Robbie as my housekeeper.... Doesn't mean I'm going to get her!

Totally agree 😂

As I’ve said for weeks/months - issue has is some of our targets are (imo far too out our reach - but I’d have said the same for Kamara)
They all have multiple interested clubs, chain reaction type stuff waiting for one to firm up interest or walk away

I do feel our utter shit show start to the season is about to cause mass recruitment panic and make us active
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 21, 2022, 10:22:49 AM
Youri Tielemans left out of Leicester's team v Southampton because he was 'not in the right frame of mind' .
Out of contract next summer looks like he may be on the move this summer.
Tielemans played.You meant Fofana.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 21, 2022, 10:23:25 AM
Good to hear Vinnie, but I'd like Margot Robbie as my housekeeper.... Doesn't mean I'm going to get her!

Don't bother, she's rubbish at cleaning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 21, 2022, 10:35:19 AM
Sarr is a strange one.  Talented player, certainly. Looks great on a highlight reel, but more than a little streaky form wise.  We have enough of them already. He has genuine pace, which is nice, but clearly in our current formation he's going to be competing for a place in the front three.  So that would be three, from Watkins, Ings, Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Archer and Sarr. (assuming Anwar and Bert are history)

To be honest, he strikes me more as a Newcastle-type signing.

If we get him, he'll do some brilliant things and get us all off our seats, but he'll also have days where we wonder if he's even on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2022, 10:38:32 AM
I think he'll end up and Newcastle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 21, 2022, 11:25:01 AM
I think Pedro would be a better bet if we’re after a Watford forward
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 11:59:38 AM
Sarr would fit in great at Palace.

I am really starting to believe we have zero clue what players we need?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2022, 12:01:55 PM
If we get him, he'll do some brilliant things and get us all off our seats, but he'll also have days where we wonder if he's even on the pitch.

I think that’s something that you have to expect from players like that. If you get a goal or a few assists every four games, they are probably doing their job well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 12:15:26 PM
Is Tielemans the type of player we really need?  Is the more of a presence than what we have currently?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2022, 12:21:55 PM
Is Tielemans the type of player we really need?  Is the more of a presence than what we have currently?

He's better than McGinn. Cultured passer and can intercept fine. More refined Luiz aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 21, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
Good to hear Vinnie, but I'd like Margot Robbie as my housekeeper.... Doesn't mean I'm going to get her!

Don't bother, she's rubbish at cleaning.

That's ok, I'm sure I can find something else for her.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 12:23:45 PM
Is Tielemans the type of player we really need?  Is the more of a presence than what we have currently?

He's better than McGinn. Cultured passer and can intercept fine. More refined Luiz aswell.

Ta SHQ.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on August 21, 2022, 12:25:06 PM
Still think we need a couple more hard as nails defensive midfielders.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 12:28:09 PM
Still think we need a couple more hard as nails defensive midfielders.   


I agree Tony.  Most of the better sides have them.  Busy, shithouse players who give them a better balance and allow their better players to use the ball well.  Win the ball back early, have a presence that we really lack. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 21, 2022, 12:29:58 PM
we need an aggressive box-to-box type, like Palace had yesterday, Doucoure and Schlupp looked good against us.
A James Milner, Soucek, Kalvin Phillips type - an all-rounder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 12:34:08 PM
We need a better player than our new captain which opens up a big market?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 12:36:34 PM
Is Tielemans the type of player we really need?  Is the more of a presence than what we have currently?

He's better than McGinn. Cultured passer and can intercept fine. More refined Luiz aswell.
Can pass the ball!
Playmaking abilities from deep and would give us more range. One of those types comfortable in possession.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 12:38:02 PM
we need an aggressive box-to-box type, like Palace had yesterday, Doucoure and Schlupp looked good against us.
A James Milner, Soucek, Kalvin Phillips type - an all-rounder.

Energetic and enthusiastic is how I prefer than how you say aggressive.
The Chelsea guy fits the bill but that's a wait and see for a loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 01:23:08 PM
Palace brought Eze when we brought Buendia (for a lot less money).

Sums us up at the moment!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 21, 2022, 01:25:07 PM
Palace brought Eze when we brought Buendia (for a lot less money).

Sums us up at the moment!

Buendia is looking pretty good to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 21, 2022, 01:38:36 PM
I'd rather have Buendia thanks
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 21, 2022, 01:43:02 PM
Palace brought Eze when we brought Buendia (for a lot less money).

Sums us up at the moment!

They bought Eze in 2020. We bought Bunedia in 2021.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 21, 2022, 01:52:06 PM
Palace brought Eze when we brought Buendia (for a lot less money).

Sums us up at the moment!
Eze is a great player and so is Buendia but that's not anywhere near the issue we have at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 21, 2022, 01:56:11 PM
It doesn’t matter who we bring in until the system, tactics & structure of the team is fixed.

We are physically soft & tactically naive. We play at half the tempo of our opponents.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2022, 02:01:33 PM
It doesn’t matter who we bring in until the system, tactics & structure of the team is fixed.

We are physically soft & tactically naive. We play at half the tempo of our opponents.
Exactly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 21, 2022, 02:14:15 PM
Good to hear Vinnie, but I'd like Margot Robbie as my housekeeper.... Doesn't mean I'm going to get her!

Don't bother, she's rubbish at cleaning.

That's ok, I'm sure I can find something else for her.
I heard she is fantastic at cross stitch
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 21, 2022, 02:59:58 PM
It doesn’t matter who we bring in until the system, tactics & structure of the team is fixed.

We are physically soft & tactically naive. We play at half the tempo of our opponents.
Exactly

Exactly again from me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2022, 03:01:25 PM
I'd rather have Buendia thanks

Different types of player but Eze was seriously impressive. We couldn’t live with him at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2022, 03:05:20 PM
I'd rather have Buendia thanks

Different types of player but Eze was seriously impressive. We couldn’t live with him at all.

Although that’s a really low bar. We couldn’t handle Jordan Ayew either.

Absolutely pathetic
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2022, 03:08:15 PM
I'd rather have Buendia thanks

Different types of player but Eze was seriously impressive. We couldn’t live with him at all.

Similar skills to Villa Grealish. That sureness of touch, ability to beat players with dribbling ability and balance rather than pace. Very impressed with him v Liverpool too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 03:13:42 PM
I know it's still very early in the season but I cannot see three worse teams than Villa at the moment.  We really do need those extra couple of players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 21, 2022, 03:13:51 PM
Didn't Eze want to stay in London
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2022, 03:19:49 PM
Yeah Eze wanted London was the story at the time. He looks levels above Palace.  United could do a lot worse than getting him into their side, although villa giving him space and space in behind to pick passes into probably helped make him look prime 1970 Brazilian.

More I reflect on yesterday,  more I think the selection was just bog awful yesterday.  We have all watched Palace. I said 2 days ago Zaha will have a blinder in the space behind our full backs.  It wasn't hard to see it coming. So the same team,  formation. Mad.

It makes me even more reluctant to want us to give him more money, unless they are now Lange signings and if Gerrard can't get a tune we will find someone that can. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 21, 2022, 03:22:29 PM
Strange to see Gallagher, Ziyech and Pulisic all getting time today for Chelsea. 2 out of the 3 won’t be there in two weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 21, 2022, 04:11:48 PM
Soucek getting Absolute belters on Twitter by West Ham fans after another horror show
At least we’re not the only team who’s highly rated players are going through bad times
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 21, 2022, 04:20:02 PM
Soucek getting Absolute belters on Twitter by West Ham fans after another horror show
At least we’re not the only team who’s highly rated players are going through bad times

Dosen't he want a new deal and they won't give it him so he's sulking a bit?

Would improve us if he was in our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 04:46:53 PM
Palace brought Eze when we brought Buendia (for a lot less money).

Sums us up at the moment!

Eze is a great player and so is Buendia but that's not anywhere near the issue we have at the moment.

I don't see how evidence that Buendia is great?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 21, 2022, 05:09:24 PM
Some chat about loaning Chalobah from Chelsea. Seem to remember he was taken off at halftime at Villa park last season after being bullied & out muscled by Watkins. He'd fit right in with our lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 21, 2022, 05:20:05 PM
Soucek getting Absolute belters on Twitter by West Ham fans after another horror show
At least we’re not the only team who’s highly rated players are going through bad times
He has been getting shit since he stopped scoring.
The rest of his play does not justify his place in the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 21, 2022, 05:22:40 PM
Soucek getting Absolute belters on Twitter by West Ham fans after another horror show
At least we’re not the only team who’s highly rated players are going through bad times
He has been getting shit since he stopped scoring.
The rest of his play does not justify his place in the team.

Is that why we were linked heavily with him this window??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 21, 2022, 06:37:25 PM
We need some more wingers and attacking full backs. I hope Lange and Gerrard have been scouting suitable players because the one thing it appears we miss at the moment is flimsy wide players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 06:59:46 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 21, 2022, 07:09:52 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.


I wonder why Forest  have not tried to buy him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 21, 2022, 07:12:40 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2022, 07:14:00 PM
Some chat about loaning Chalobah from Chelsea. Seem to remember he was taken off at halftime at Villa park last season after being bullied & out muscled by Watkins. He'd fit right in with our lot.

Suspect there might be some truth in this one but will depend on Fofana going there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 21, 2022, 07:14:28 PM
Wow, I see we’re linked to a transfer for James Garner….yea me as well, who the f..k is he??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2022, 07:16:04 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?

And is his nickname Rocky?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 07:18:06 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?

And is his nickname Rocky?

Could be worse I suppose, we could be in for Petrochelli.  One for the older people on this site!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on August 21, 2022, 07:20:52 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?

And is his nickname Rocky?

Could be worse I suppose, we could be in for Petrochelli.  One for the older people on this site!!
If he is not good enough for them, then he shoudnt be for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 21, 2022, 07:21:42 PM
Any sign of Carlton Palmer at BMH? Or is that being saved for deadline day?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 21, 2022, 07:22:46 PM
Is he a DM?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 21, 2022, 07:24:13 PM
Get James Garner in. May well need him for our great escape come the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on August 21, 2022, 07:29:47 PM
It might be useful if he's been involved in any Battles in Britain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 21, 2022, 07:32:22 PM
Wow, I see we’re linked to a transfer for James Garner….yea me as well, who the f..k is he??

Did very well at Forest last season. But good bit short of being physically ready to play at PL level I would have thought.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 21, 2022, 07:34:59 PM
Get James Garner in. May well need him for our great escape come the end of the season.

The only downer being Garner got caught.

Can we get a Coburn? Or a Bronson?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 21, 2022, 07:36:15 PM
Wow, I see we’re linked to a transfer for James Garner….yea me as well, who the f..k is he??

Did very well at Forest last season. But good bit short of being physically ready to play at PL level I would have thought.
Seriously if forest don’t want and Man Utd don’t want him than - it’s a no from me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 08:30:25 PM
This is why I have to ask a question about Lange.
While our prestigious name and status have merits, Aston Villa have been caught off guard and are not as astute in value with first team scouting for players as Brighton, Brentford, Southampton, and even Leeds have been.
Of course, we have higher expectations, higher budgets, and less of a mandate to develop and more of a mandate to have ready-made first team quality.

Did we take all our time and our money on Kamara? Granted, is a most excellent signing, but our scouting and sporting director needs to find some more gems for the first team squad that may not be recognisable names but ones that are more than capable and were like McGinn when we signed him a steal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on August 21, 2022, 08:44:16 PM
 Garner would just be a bench warmer at best.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 21, 2022, 08:46:46 PM
instead of spending all this money on speculative Gambles just offer Man City their money back and bring the boy home

That’s what I would do 100% (not saying he’d come back but hey worth a try)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on August 21, 2022, 08:52:17 PM
instead of spending all this money on speculative Gambles just offer Man City their money back and bring the boy home

That’s what I would do 100% (not saying he’d come back but hey worth a try)

Hmmm

Would he fit in our new system?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 21, 2022, 08:55:39 PM
instead of spending all this money on speculative Gambles just offer Man City their money back and bring the boy home

That’s what I would do 100% (not saying he’d come back but hey worth a try)

Hmmm

Would he fit in our new system?

He is the system (just like last time)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 21, 2022, 08:58:12 PM

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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on August 21, 2022, 09:05:00 PM
instead of spending all this money on speculative Gambles just offer Man City their money back and bring the boy home

That’s what I would do 100% (not saying he’d come back but hey worth a try)

Hmmm

Would he fit in our new system?

What system?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on August 21, 2022, 09:12:59 PM
Whatever happened to the old time Scottish midfield psychopaths?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 21, 2022, 09:14:27 PM
Whatever happened to the old time Scottish midfield psychopaths?
They work for Talksport and don't like Tyrone Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on August 21, 2022, 09:14:32 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?

And is his nickname Rocky?

Could be worse I suppose, we could be in for Petrochelli.  One for the older people on this site!!

I wonder if he ever did finish building that house
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 21, 2022, 09:21:57 PM
Jack Grealish covering for our full backs sounds like a laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 21, 2022, 09:24:15 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.
Does he still live in a caravan?

And is his nickname Rocky?

Could be worse I suppose, we could be in for Petrochelli.  One for the older people on this site!!

I wonder if he ever did finish building that house

🤔
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 09:45:31 PM
Jack Grealish covering for our full backs sounds like a laugh.
We had Danny Ings doing that under Dean last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 21, 2022, 09:54:35 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.

Eh, if they think he’s the answer we’re in trouble, might as well save the money and bring Ramsey back from loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 21, 2022, 10:11:41 PM
A reminder on what SG said about recruitment which would mean someone like James Garner wouldn't be signed.

"I think the spine of the team needs some support,
"You can never stop working with your players, trying to improve them. But sometimes individual errors are on the individuals. If things don't change you are left with no choice. You either change them with someone else in the building or you upgrade them.

When you are trying to get players in, it is not just about whether they can play, it is about what else they can bring to the culture. We are not just trying to recruit talent. We are trying to recruit characters, leaders and winners. We are looking for good people

I don't need quantity. I am looking for upgrades in certain areas of the team, who will naturally make the squad better. We are looking to bring in players who are ready to play"

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 21, 2022, 10:18:47 PM
A reminder on what SG said about recruitment which would mean someone like James Garner wouldn't be signed.

"I think the spine of the team needs some support,
"You can never stop working with your players, trying to improve them. But sometimes individual errors are on the individuals. If things don't change you are left with no choice. You either change them with someone else in the building or you upgrade them.

When you are trying to get players in, it is not just about whether they can play, it is about what else they can bring to the culture. We are not just trying to recruit talent. We are trying to recruit characters, leaders and winners. We are looking for good people

I don't need quantity. I am looking for upgrades in certain areas of the team, who will naturally make the squad better. We are looking to bring in players who are ready to play"



I wish we'd recruit a manager with similar attributes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 21, 2022, 10:22:18 PM
Jack Grealish covering for our full backs sounds like a laugh.
We had Danny Ings doing that under Dean last season.

That worked out well...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 21, 2022, 11:17:02 PM
Reckon we'll see two or three in this week?

Sarr and another CM, maybe a CB?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 21, 2022, 11:31:55 PM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.

Pay no heed to the constant Garner rumours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 21, 2022, 11:32:29 PM
I can't see Sarr happening.  Something about it is very Les Ferdinand.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 22, 2022, 06:44:40 AM
Being linked with Man United youngster, James Garner again. £14mill.

Pay no heed to the constant Garner rumours.

Ha!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 22, 2022, 07:15:46 AM
Stories emerging today that all is not well between Lange, Purslow and Gerrard. Sarr is in doubt…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 22, 2022, 07:37:10 AM
I don't give a flying if they've fallen out or not , they need to sort this shit out pronto because the last 3 weeks have been a disaster - and we appear to have bought it all on ourselves.

And I was really looking forward to this season before the football started.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2022, 07:46:02 AM
I don't give a flying if they've fallen out or not , they need to sort this shit out pronto because the last 3 weeks have been a disaster - and we appear to have bought it all on ourselves.

And I was really looking forward to this season before the football started.

Replace season with weekends and I feel like I’ve said this for half my life.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 22, 2022, 07:58:44 AM
Probably because one of them wants to sign a winger when we have two that can't get in the squad. I have a feeling that all is not well behind the scenes, certainly all is not well on the pitch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 07:59:28 AM
I just want to enjoy football again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2022, 08:38:06 AM
It does seem a strange singing based on Gerrard’s ideas on how to play. But then again considering we was in the understanding when we appointed Smith as head coach we was going to adopt a model that if we replace the manager the identity on the football pitch would remain the same. Then Gerrard rocks up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 08:59:06 AM
It does seem a strange singing based on Gerrard’s ideas on how to play. But then again considering we was in the understanding when we appointed Smith as head coach we was going to adopt a model that if we replace the manager the identity on the football pitch would remain the same. Then Gerrard rocks up.

When did they ever say that? Frankly I think it's a load of rubbish as all managers have their own ideas. When Smith was sacked, he'd used 4 or 5 different formations in his 11 games, which one was Gerrard supposed to copy? Let's say we hadn't appointed Gerrard but somehow we'd managed to get Pochettino. Do you think he'd have come in and set us up in exactly the same way as Dean Smith?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2022, 09:01:50 AM
Sarr off
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 09:06:27 AM
Sarr off

Great. Any idea why?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 09:07:20 AM
Sarr off

And to you too!

Nevermind. I think this hints at much bigger problems behind the scenes though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 09:08:34 AM
Because Percy said so 10 minutes ago.

Looks like player demands,  probably watched us on Sat and thought I'll hold out to go to Palace at the end of the window.

We need a centre half and a good midfielder,  but having genuine pace in the side would have been nice and allowed us to sit and counter more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2022, 09:11:25 AM
I think we still need pace in attack, but a proper centre mid is essential.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 22, 2022, 09:11:51 AM
Was excited by Sarr.

Getting really fucked off with how things are going at the moment
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 22, 2022, 09:11:53 AM
It does seem a strange singing based on Gerrard’s ideas on how to play. But then again considering we was in the understanding when we appointed Smith as head coach we was going to adopt a model that if we replace the manager the identity on the football pitch would remain the same. Then Gerrard rocks up.

When did they ever say that? Frankly I think it's a load of rubbish as all managers have their own ideas. When Smith was sacked, he'd used 4 or 5 different formations in his 11 games, which one was Gerrard supposed to copy? Let's say we hadn't appointed Gerrard but somehow we'd managed to get Pochettino. Do you think he'd have come in and set us up in exactly the same way as Dean Smith?

Wasn’t it the change from having a manager to head coach and a model like Brentford? I’m sure I remember this?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2022, 09:32:15 AM
Not going to cry over Sarr being off, he’s a good player on his day but his record suggests those days are 1 in 3 or 1 or 4….we don’t need another inconsistent winger.

What is good is this should shut up the ‘stopped investing’ gang as there is clearly money there to spend still…just would be handy to spend it on what we need not another vanity winger….strong centre mid who can tackle and pass / centre half better than Konsa and a striker who can hold up & head a ball would be way above a winger on the list unless he is planning on switching his full backs be actually defending not bombing on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 22, 2022, 09:54:55 AM
BBC now saying the Sarr deal is agreed, with the player to undergo a medical, and lots of speculation about Archer going the other way on loan.  Not sure I like the second bit unless we have another strike coming in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 22, 2022, 09:56:32 AM
The Sarr deal is off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2022, 09:59:07 AM
It is - we need to crack on and strengthen the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 22, 2022, 09:59:16 AM
BBC now saying the Sarr deal is agreed, with the player to undergo a medical, and lots of speculation about Archer going the other way on loan.  Not sure I like the second bit unless we have another strike coming in?
Are you with it or really not with it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 10:00:29 AM
It does seem a strange singing based on Gerrard’s ideas on how to play. But then again considering we was in the understanding when we appointed Smith as head coach we was going to adopt a model that if we replace the manager the identity on the football pitch would remain the same. Then Gerrard rocks up.

When did they ever say that? Frankly I think it's a load of rubbish as all managers have their own ideas. When Smith was sacked, he'd used 4 or 5 different formations in his 11 games, which one was Gerrard supposed to copy? Let's say we hadn't appointed Gerrard but somehow we'd managed to get Pochettino. Do you think he'd have come in and set us up in exactly the same way as Dean Smith?

Wasn’t it the change from having a manager to head coach and a model like Brentford? I’m sure I remember this?

Well that still is the model, as is bringing through lots of highly rated kids from around the country. There's no way you're not going to get a change of style from one new head coach to another though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 22, 2022, 10:17:10 AM
BBC now saying the Sarr deal is agreed, with the player to undergo a medical, and lots of speculation about Archer going the other way on loan.  Not sure I like the second bit unless we have another strike coming in?
Are you with it or really not with it?

I dunno, I read a bit of news over breakfast, head into a meeting and it's all changed when I come back to my desk.  Clearly don't listen to me. Ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 10:23:05 AM
Tommy Jordan just confirmed a medical didn't take place. All appears very very odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 22, 2022, 10:24:06 AM
Maybe it's a distraction bid. Also heard he was holding out for Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2022, 10:25:13 AM
Tommy Jordan just confirmed a medical didn't take place. All appears very very odd.

It wouldn't have done if personal terms weren't agreed. Seems fairly straightforward, bid accepted, we talk to the player but wont pay him what he wants. Deal off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 22, 2022, 10:25:54 AM
I read he already had the medical and the problem was wages. I can see someone getting the boot and it may not be Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 22, 2022, 10:26:24 AM
apparently he wanyed mega money from what I am seeing on twitter (which is always right :-))
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 22, 2022, 10:27:23 AM
Another Twitter one: Gerrard pulled the plug
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2022, 10:28:33 AM
I read he already had the medical and the problem was wages. I can see someone getting the boot and it may not be Gerrard.

Bits I read said we'd 'booked' the medical, which is what you'd do prior to agreeing terms, then he'd do the medical and sign.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 22, 2022, 10:29:51 AM
Is there a pre-Bolton press conference?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
All sounds a bit arse about face in the modern era, I thought generally you'd agree the players terms and desire to join before the deal was agreed with the club, to avoid this kind of thing.

Unless of course he watched us Saturday and told us he wants a lot more to be convinced to play in that team
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2022, 10:32:36 AM
I read he already had the medical and the problem was wages. I can see someone getting the boot and it may not be Gerrard.

Bits I read said we'd 'booked' the medical, which is what you'd do prior to agreeing terms, then he'd do the medical and sign.

Yep.  I can't imagine they would do anything different to what they normally do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2022, 10:36:45 AM
I know things are a bit shit but we haven't done anything wrong here have we? leak about the deal has come from his agent or Watford, we've agreed the fee, spoke to the player about what he wants and wont now do the deal. He's clearly upped his demands between being sounded out and sitting down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 10:40:21 AM
When you sit down and try and pick a Villa team atm it's really tough,  because we have 2 glaring issues.  We lack physicality they the team,  and pace. Sarr bought height and pace so he was a logical target on paper.  If I was Gerrard I'd be on at Lange every 5 minutes to find me 3 starters that give that physical edge we badly lack at the moment.  Even Pep with all his midfielders, buys some big buggers from time to time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 22, 2022, 10:49:02 AM
What the fuck is going on down at VP. This is the first time since the new owners came in that something seems half cocked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2022, 10:56:11 AM
I know things are a bit shit but we haven't done anything wrong here have we? leak about the deal has come from his agent or Watford, we've agreed the fee, spoke to the player about what he wants and wont now do the deal. He's clearly upped his demands between being sounded out and sitting down.

That's my view too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 22, 2022, 11:00:18 AM
When you sit down and try and pick a Villa team atm it's really tough,  because we have 2 glaring issues.  We lack physicality they the team,  and pace. Sarr bought height and pace so he was a logical target on paper.  If I was Gerrard I'd be on at Lange every 5 minutes to find me 3 starters that give that physical edge we badly lack at the moment.  Even Pep with all his midfielders, buys some big buggers from time to time.

There was nothing logical about signing Sarr as the coach doesn't want to play with wingers. I also think we would have the same issue we had with Traore in that Cash would be left exposed far too often. With our mess of a formation at the weekend, I'd expect Bailey should have been helping a bit more when Zaha was going to town on Cash. McGinn tried to get over there but then midfield got all stretched.

Kamara was meant to be that physical midfield addition. But in our two defeats this season he has been bullied physically.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2022, 11:02:06 AM
I know things are a bit shit but we haven't done anything wrong here have we? leak about the deal has come from his agent or Watford, we've agreed the fee, spoke to the player about what he wants and wont now do the deal. He's clearly upped his demands between being sounded out and sitting down.
absolutely nothing wrong but that won’t stop it being Villa’s fault in some eyes
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 22, 2022, 11:02:20 AM
If I was Gerrard I'd be on at Lange every 5 minutes to find me 3 starters that give that physical edge we badly lack at the moment.  Even Pep with all his midfielders, buys some big buggers from time to time.

We could’ve told Lange that 6 months ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2022, 11:06:06 AM
I know things are a bit shit but we haven't done anything wrong here have we? leak about the deal has come from his agent or Watford, we've agreed the fee, spoke to the player about what he wants and wont now do the deal. He's clearly upped his demands between being sounded out and sitting down.

Agreed. The important bit is that we have a clear list of options and do fill the positions we need to fill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 11:06:28 AM
I know it's still very early in the season but I cannot see three worse teams than Villa at the moment.  We really do need those extra couple of players.

We do now we've got a dearth of wide talent. The main issue is the training and tactics though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 11:07:25 AM
When you sit down and try and pick a Villa team atm it's really tough,  because we have 2 glaring issues.  We lack physicality they the team,  and pace. Sarr bought height and pace so he was a logical target on paper.  If I was Gerrard I'd be on at Lange every 5 minutes to find me 3 starters that give that physical edge we badly lack at the moment.  Even Pep with all his midfielders, buys some big buggers from time to time.

There was nothing logical about signing Sarr as the coach doesn't want to play with wingers. I also think we would have the same issue we had with Traore in that Cash would be left exposed far too often. With our mess of a formation at the weekend, I'd expect Bailey should have been helping a bit more when Zaha was going to town on Cash. McGinn tried to get over there but then midfield got all stretched.

Kamara was meant to be that physical midfield addition. But in our two defeats this season he has been bullied physically.

And left pretty much alone in there.  Away from home,  I just don't see a way you can play this style and formation and expect to not concede a lot. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 11:07:26 AM
Yeah Eze wanted London was the story at the time. He looks levels above Palace.  United could do a lot worse than getting him into their side, although villa giving him space and space in behind to pick passes into probably helped make him look prime 1970 Brazilian.

More I reflect on yesterday,  more I think the selection was just bog awful yesterday.  We have all watched Palace. I said 2 days ago Zaha will have a blinder in the space behind our full backs.  It wasn't hard to see it coming. So the same team,  formation. Mad.

It makes me even more reluctant to want us to give him more money, unless they are now Lange signings and if Gerrard can't get a tune we will find someone that can.

The players were fine, it's the set-up that's all to cock.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 11:21:10 AM
The players aren't fine. There still needs to be a desire to not concede and throw yourself in to it and the firing line. The focus doesn't need appear to be there right now, the sharpness and the switched on mentality that from the get go they are ready to combat the opposition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2022, 11:23:31 AM
In January we wanted Bentancur. He chose Spurs. Fair enough and now there he plays in double pivot with Hojiberg who's the 6 for them. That's the template we were obviously looking at.

Gerrard then confirmed after window closed we put in a decent bid for Yves Bissouma. Again same principle, a defensive minded 8 which is where he played at Brighton. Spurs also signed him and now he's warming the bench so they have three high quality defensive midfielders with two world class strikers upfront so yet again they'll  finish 20-25 points ahead of us.

What I don't get is we had those targets in mind, just missed out on them and have pretty much given up now.

Kamara was surely more of a replacement for Nakamba and Luiz and that's how it's played out so far with selection.

I thought the optics of giving McGinn the captaincy was all wrong. I'm far from the biggest McGinn critic on here but majority know he really shouldn't be starting week in week out for us anymore and needed to be replaced by someone better. That won't happen now.

If we sign Tielemans in next 10 days I'll take it all back but that is the calibre of signing we need to get me invested again in a Gerrard team and I just can't see us making it, we've taken the easy route out again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2022, 11:24:24 AM
The players aren't fine. There still needs to be a desire to not concede and throw yourself in to it and the firing line. The focus doesn't need appear to be there right now, the sharpness and the switched on mentality that from the get go they are ready to combat the opposition.

Yeah, I sort of agree. That needs to come from the manager - look at Newcastle yesterday, that's not a brilliantly talented team, but the manager had the tactics right AND he had them working their bollocks off closing down Man City.

I watched that and was thinking, fuck, they are showing ten times the application we do. It's not because our players are shit, they're not, it's about how they are being set up and the seeming total lack of motivation.

I think there is something not-right behind the scenes in terms of the manager's relationship with his squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 22, 2022, 11:27:07 AM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 11:28:07 AM
I agree.  I watched ASM for Newcastle and thought Howe had done brilliantly to recognise how to get him into space and this Newcastle up the pitch.  We have no one that does that for us at all.  But in defence and midfield,  there was encouragement of each other,  comradery etc that watching Villa on  Sat just wasn't there.  We have a decent group, but I think we lack some leadership on the pitch,  and masses of tactical nouse off it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 22, 2022, 11:31:08 AM
In January we wanted Bentancur. He chose Spurs. Fair enough and now there he plays in double pivot with Hojiberg who's the 6 for them. That's the template we were obviously looking at.

Gerrard then confirmed after window closed we put in a decent bid for Yves Bissouma. Again same principle, a defensive minded 8 which is where he played at Brighton. Spurs also signed him and now he's warming the bench so they have three high quality defensive midfielders with two world class strikers upfront so yet again they'll  finish 20-25 points ahead of us.

What I don't get is we had those targets in mind, just missed out on them and have pretty much given up now.

Kamara was surely more of a replacement for Nakamba and Luiz and that's how it's played out so far with selection.

I thought the optics of giving McGinn the captaincy was all wrong. I'm far from the biggest McGinn critic on here but majority know he really shouldn't be starting week in week out for us anymore and needed to be replaced by someone better. That won't happen now.

If we sign Tielemans in next 10 days I'll take it all back but that is the calibre of signing we need to get me invested again in a Gerrard team and I just can't see us making it, we've taken the easy route out again.

All feels very true.

We need to get some top midfielders in through the door asap.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 11:31:26 AM
I don't think Gerrard's hard man attitude goes down well. Picking a fight with Mings, the genuine leader of the football team, and making an example of a player who's only ever shown commitment and desire for us, was only going to cause unrest. He has a desire to throw the cat amongst the pigeons and get rid of any comfort in being Ok and to drive the players forward but I don't think this way was the best approach.

I think Gerrard's hard man routine will be the end of him and after the next 7 or so games, as the bad results flow and his frustrations are taken out on the players you'll see him very, very quickly lose the dressing room.

Mings is a Villa man, Gerrard is not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 22, 2022, 11:31:59 AM
I thought Bailey was going to be our ASM, but he puts in a tenth of the effort.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 11:34:23 AM
I thought Bailey was going to be our ASM, but he puts in a tenth of the effort.

A massive flat track bully. Half hearted friendlies and cup ties will be his friend. He doesn't have the fighting attitude to win the ball in tight situations and earn himself the space to let his talent flourish. He's kid who hangs around up front waiting for 3 on 1's and taking speculative 25 yarders all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2022, 11:35:14 AM
In January we wanted Bentancur. He chose Spurs. Fair enough and now there he plays in double pivot with Hojiberg who's the 6 for them. That's the template we were obviously looking at.

Gerrard then confirmed after window closed we put in a decent bid for Yves Bissouma. Again same principle, a defensive minded 8 which is where he played at Brighton. Spurs also signed him and now he's warming the bench so they have three high quality defensive midfielders with two world class strikers upfront so yet again they'll  finish 20-25 points ahead of us.

What I don't get is we had those targets in mind, just missed out on them and have pretty much given up now.

Kamara was surely more of a replacement for Nakamba and Luiz and that's how it's played out so far with selection.

I thought the optics of giving McGinn the captaincy was all wrong. I'm far from the biggest McGinn critic on here but majority know he really shouldn't be starting week in week out for us anymore and needed to be replaced by someone better. That won't happen now.

If we sign Tielemans in next 10 days I'll take it all back but that is the calibre of signing we need to get me invested again in a Gerrard team and I just can't see us making it, we've taken the easy route out again.

All feels very true.

We need to get some top midfielders in through the door asap.



It's not like there isn't space. Carney I presume was being trained up as long term McGinn replacement but won't happen now. Luiz is seemingly just coasting on the bench in last year of his deal so while short term I'd be starting him he won't be here in 12 months and Sanson could easily leave on loan in next week. As could Nakamba and no one would blink much.

Our central midfield is arguably weaker in depth and quality than it was 12 months ago due to how welded Gerrard is to starting McGinn and Ramsey every single week when the odd bench cameo wouldn't hurt either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 22, 2022, 11:36:05 AM
I agree.  I watched ASM for Newcastle and thought Howe had done brilliantly to recognise how to get him into space and this Newcastle up the pitch.  We have no one that does that for us at all.  But in defence and midfield,  there was encouragement of each other,  comradery etc that watching Villa on  Sat just wasn't there.  We have a decent group, but I think we lack some leadership on the pitch,  and masses of tactical nouse off it
I thin this is the thing - we have Emi, Bailey and Phil - these are 3 really talented players - in the same league as Zaha and ASM - why cant they dominate games.

It feels the longer there in the team the worse we get.  Phil was unplayable when he first came in, now hes, well the other kind of unplayable
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 22, 2022, 11:39:46 AM
I agree.  I watched ASM for Newcastle and thought Howe had done brilliantly to recognise how to get him into space and this Newcastle up the pitch.  We have no one that does that for us at all.  But in defence and midfield,  there was encouragement of each other,  comradery etc that watching Villa on  Sat just wasn't there.  We have a decent group, but I think we lack some leadership on the pitch,  and masses of tactical nouse off it
I thin this is the thing - we have Emi, Bailey and Phil - these are 3 really talented players - in the same league as Zaha and ASM - why cant they dominate games.

It feels the longer there in the team the worse we get.  Phil was unplayable when he first came in, now hes, well the other kind of unplayable

Zaha and ASM are physically much stronger. Both seem to relish the hard tackles and rough stuff. More importantly their respective coaches seem to have figured out roles for them that suit them. Coutinho and Bailey both seem to want handy passes only at the moment. Maybe just a confidence thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2022, 11:41:21 AM
Opposition seem to have worked out that we're exposed if they have quick transitions through direct/long passes so they can get at us before the defensive midfielders have filled in for the full-backs.

I don't think any of other Premier League sets up like how we're trying to set-up. There may be a reason for that. The players probably don't agree with those tactics.

If Gerrard persists with his philosophy I think we'll continue to struggle until the point that Gerrard's replaced and we bring in someone who has a philosophy that everyone can get on board with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 22, 2022, 11:46:25 AM
I thought Bailey was going to be our ASM, but he puts in a tenth of the effort.

In terms of style Traore is a better comparison I think given he can effortlessly score a worldie goal and also hit sublime crossfield ball in his own half to opposition. Usually within about ten minutes of each other.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2022, 11:47:11 AM
I don't think Gerrard's hard man attitude goes down well. Picking a fight with Mings, the genuine leader of the football team, and making an example of a player who's only ever shown commitment and desire for us, was only going to cause unrest. He has a desire to throw the cat amongst the pigeons and get rid of any comfort in being Ok and to drive the players forward but I don't think this way was the best approach.

I think Gerrard's hard man routine will be the end of him and after the next 7 or so games, as the bad results flow and his frustrations are taken out on the players you'll see him very, very quickly lose the dressing room.

I think you are right. He is usually a bit sly about how he does it, but there has been some definite throwing of players under the bus of late.

I also think LeeB is right when he says the players don't look like they believe in the system they're being asked to play.

The hard man routine is not going to work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 12:14:11 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2022, 12:14:50 PM
In January we wanted Bentancur. He chose Spurs. Fair enough and now there he plays in double pivot with Hojiberg who's the 6 for them. That's the template we were obviously looking at.

Gerrard then confirmed after window closed we put in a decent bid for Yves Bissouma. Again same principle, a defensive minded 8 which is where he played at Brighton. Spurs also signed him and now he's warming the bench so they have three high quality defensive midfielders with two world class strikers upfront so yet again they'll  finish 20-25 points ahead of us.

What I don't get is we had those targets in mind, just missed out on them and have pretty much given up now.

Kamara was surely more of a replacement for Nakamba and Luiz and that's how it's played out so far with selection.

I thought the optics of giving McGinn the captaincy was all wrong. I'm far from the biggest McGinn critic on here but majority know he really shouldn't be starting week in week out for us anymore and needed to be replaced by someone better. That won't happen now.

If we sign Tielemans in next 10 days I'll take it all back but that is the calibre of signing we need to get me invested again in a Gerrard team and I just can't see us making it, we've taken the easy route out again.

But with these financial moves well the transfer negotiate is down to Lange as well as finding targets from a profile if the ones SG specifically keen on are unattainable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 12:22:58 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

The only problem being, he usually does it badly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 12:26:37 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

The only problem being, he usually does it badly.

Which is why it's a bizarre choice. Though it has to be said, everyone else seems to admire him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 22, 2022, 12:35:28 PM
Lange job is recruitment and player identification.
We require upgrades, but he is having difficulty obtaining them. Gerrard stepped in to help with some moves.
All Lange appears to be doing is bringing in younger players for the academy level.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 01:08:53 PM
We don't know how many Lange has suggested and Gerrard has turned down.  Palace had a midfielder at the weekend we know Lange was interested in last summer and for whatever reason we didn't sign.  Strikes me there is a disconnect between the manager and Lange at the moment,  certainly with how the team is set up. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 22, 2022, 01:20:16 PM
I don't think Gerrard's hard man attitude goes down well. Picking a fight with Mings, the genuine leader of the football team, and making an example of a player who's only ever shown commitment and desire for us, was only going to cause unrest. He has a desire to throw the cat amongst the pigeons and get rid of any comfort in being Ok and to drive the players forward but I don't think this way was the best approach.

I think Gerrard's hard man routine will be the end of him and after the next 7 or so games, as the bad results flow and his frustrations are taken out on the players you'll see him very, very quickly lose the dressing room.

I think you are right. He is usually a bit sly about how he does it, but there has been some definite throwing of players under the bus of late.

I also think LeeB is right when he says the players don't look like they believe in the system they're being asked to play.

The hard man routine is not going to work.

It must be confusing for him. That tactic worked brilliantly when getting Phil Collins to be played in a bar - who would have thought it would be less successful when a manager of a Premier League club?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 22, 2022, 01:48:55 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

Listening to Talk Sport just now and Danny Kelly made a very interesting point. Going back to the time that Chelsea were still a force under Mouhrinio and he openly had a right go at the very attractive medical woman when she went onto the pitch.
It was alleged that all the players took the hump and it became evident in their play that they lost respect for Mourhinio.

I wonder if Mings did mention tactics and was then subsequently taken off the Captain role by Gerrard and the players have had the hump since?

Its clear that the players are not on message as they were when he first came in
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2022, 01:52:49 PM
Lange job is recruitment and player identification.
We require upgrades, but he is having difficulty obtaining them. Gerrard stepped in to help with some moves.
All Lange appears to be doing is bringing in younger players for the academy level.



You blame Lange for everything and Gerrard for nothing  >:(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 22, 2022, 01:57:19 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

Listening to Talk Sport just now and Danny Kelly made a very interesting point. Going back to the time that Chelsea were still a force under Mouhrinio and he openly had a right go at the very attractive medical woman when she went onto the pitch.
It was alleged that all the players took the hump and it became evident in their play that they lost respect for Mourhinio.

I wonder if Mings did mention tactics and was then subsequently taken off the Captain role by Gerrard and the players have had the hump since?

Its clear that the players are not on message as they were when he first came in

I listened to that, it was a good analogy about invisible lines or ropes or whatever that bind a group of players or teamates together. Whether we’re reading too much into the Mings thing or not, something feels wrong. He’s sold McGinn down the river as well as he needs to be taken out of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on August 22, 2022, 02:01:49 PM
I posted on another thread, that i thought comments made by SG about the signing of Augustinsson pointed to the fact he wasn't the player he wanted.
SG identifies the need for a player in a position and Lange and co, go and get someone. Maybe that's why he doesn't seem to fancy playing Chambers either, but persisted in playing Countinho coz' he was one of his and wanted to prove a point.
Having said all that the Sarr "signing" doesn't seem right either, as why would SG want a wide player?

 Something doesn't feel right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villainabroad on August 22, 2022, 02:07:57 PM
Something's not right at all. Sarr deal off. The madness of making an example of Mings and choosing McGinn (!) as 'my captain'. Signs of exasperation on the pitch too - Cash (lot of weight on his shoulders in this system, unfairly) looked particularly p1ssed off on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2022, 02:12:00 PM
We started this summer the envy of every club we were realistically competing with. Brilliantly securing Coutinho, and then followed by Kamara and Carlos. Every fan of those other clubs thought “how are Villa doing it?”. Fast forward to August 22, and we have lost 2 out 3, our key CB a broken until the new year at the earliest, and we just pulled out of a deal last minute for brilliant winger most of didn’t think we needed. It’s looking quite a shambles.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2022, 02:15:22 PM
I know I am going to be controversial here but for me Traore leaving to play games and Sarr falling through is a good mornings work.

Now we just need a strong central midfielder who can pass a ball. a big centre half who is better than Konsa & then a striker who can hold it up & head a ball if there is time….over to the club….massive, massive 10 days ahead. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 22, 2022, 02:25:36 PM
This is turning out just like the last transfer window. Early couple of signings and then last minute dash which is not good. If we playing well, it wouldn’t matter but, by and large, we have been woeful.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 22, 2022, 02:36:06 PM
This is turning out just like the last transfer window. Early couple of signings and then last minute dash which is not good. If we playing well, it wouldn’t matter but, by and large, we have been woeful.
Absolutely, if we were sat here on 6 or 7 points and Carlos fit we would all be asking for icing on the cake signing, now it feels like we need vital players & very 50/50 that we start the next window with the same manager
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 22, 2022, 02:46:04 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

Listening to Talk Sport just now and Danny Kelly made a very interesting point. Going back to the time that Chelsea were still a force under Mouhrinio and he openly had a right go at the very attractive medical woman when she went onto the pitch.
It was alleged that all the players took the hump and it became evident in their play that they lost respect for Mourhinio.

I wonder if Mings did mention tactics and was then subsequently taken off the Captain role by Gerrard and the players have had the hump since?

Its clear that the players are not on message as they were when he first came in

Maybe we should get the very attractive medical woman in at Villa? 😜

I suspect there was some kind of bust up during the Aus trip. Something stinks on the pitch at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2022, 02:49:19 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)

Looks like Archer will go on loan
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 22, 2022, 02:51:18 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)

Looks like Archer will go on loan

which is fine if it aids his development. Sitting on our bench isn't helping him. Scoring goals in the Championship will. But if we don't bring someone else in, not some bench warmer but someone who can compete with Ings/Watkins or ideally is better then this would be absolutely nuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 02:52:15 PM
Great. A season of Watkins one week, Ings the next with the special treat of both them together when we go a goal down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)

Looks like Archer will go on loan

which is fine if it aids his development. Sitting on our bench isn't helping him. Scoring goals in the Championship will. But if we don't bring someone else in, not some bench warmer but someone who can compete with Ings/Watkins or ideally is better then this would be absolutely nuts.

Totally.  Not getting a forward in and letting Archer go out would be bonkers. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 22, 2022, 03:03:19 PM
If Hause and Archer do go, we either have some decent deals in the pipeline or are hoping to feck we get lucky with injuries and players not losing all form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: saint13 on August 22, 2022, 03:05:35 PM
I know I am going to be controversial here but for me Traore leaving to play games and Sarr falling through is a good mornings work.

Now we just need a strong central midfielder who can pass a ball. a big centre half who is better than Konsa & then a striker who can hold it up & head a ball if there is time….over to the club….massive, massive 10 days ahead.

I agree with the first & second bit, but I am almost certain none of the latter will take place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 22, 2022, 03:07:13 PM
I don't get this.

Replace Traore with Sarr = Traore goes, Sarr doesn't come
Lose Carlos, need CB = give Watford one of the few we have and rely on someone who has only just reached puberty to cover.
Big Archer up pre season, say he's staying with us for the season = send him out on loan.

Unless we've got some serious moves up our sleeves, these are the sort of dealings which will do for Gerrard and Lange.

It's all a bit nuts.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 22, 2022, 03:08:42 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)

Looks like Archer will go on loan

which is fine if it aids his development. Sitting on our bench isn't helping him. Scoring goals in the Championship will. But if we don't bring someone else in, not some bench warmer but someone who can compete with Ings/Watkins or ideally is better then this would be absolutely nuts.

Totally.  Not getting a forward in and letting Archer go out would be bonkers.

I think what Vinnie is saying is that  a striker is incoming.....therefore Archer is out on loan
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rob_bridge on August 22, 2022, 03:14:36 PM
I don't get this.

Replace Traore with Sarr = Traore goes, Sarr doesn't come
Lose Carlos, need CB = give Watford one of the few we have and rely on someone who has only just reached puberty to cover.
Big Archer up pre season, say he's staying with us for the season = send him out on loan.

Unless we've got some serious moves up our sleeves, these are the sort of dealings which will do for Gerrard and Lange.

It's all a bit nuts.

Seriously seems scattergun approach.  I didn't want Sarr - Letting Hause and Archer go on loan before we know who is replacing them is daft. Not replacing them is stupid
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2022, 03:14:44 PM
It's common knowledge that at the moment Gerrard wants a full pre-season with him before any decision is made. Anything else is currently just unsubstantiated bollocks.

In fairness to Vinnie,  he only said that Archer moving would be pending other incoming strikers.

Correct, it’s correct Gerard wants archer around for pre season which is why if he leaves it will be a late one (and unless we sign a new striker he won’t go anywhere - Gerard wants to have x3 strikers)

Looks like Archer will go on loan

which is fine if it aids his development. Sitting on our bench isn't helping him. Scoring goals in the Championship will. But if we don't bring someone else in, not some bench warmer but someone who can compete with Ings/Watkins or ideally is better then this would be absolutely nuts.

Totally.  Not getting a forward in and letting Archer go out would be bonkers.

I think what Vinnie is saying is that  a striker is incoming.....therefore Archer is out on loan

Well I bloody hope so 😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2022, 03:22:28 PM
If Hause and Archer do go, we either have some decent deals in the pipeline or are hoping to feck we get lucky with injuries and players not losing all form.

You’d bloody hope so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 22, 2022, 03:24:27 PM
They'd have to be a starter too or it just doesn't make any sense to send Cam out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2022, 03:27:17 PM
Who's available, though? I can't recall us being linked to a top-level striker, unsettled or otherwise.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 22, 2022, 03:27:34 PM
They'd have to be a starter too or it just doesn't make any sense to send Cam out on loan.
I agree.  Unless whoever the signing is
a) Is better than both Watkins and Ings and
b) We're struggling to get rid of one (or both) of the above

Then I don't see the point in sending Archer out on loan.  With the 9 subs rule he'd comfortably get 20+ games this season (maybe half a dozen starts, the rest as a sub).  I'm not sure what it proves if he goes and has a stellar season in the Championship.  We already know he's far too good for that division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2022, 03:29:26 PM
At some point Gerrard and Lange must have reached a consensus that Archer was worthy of staying around. Now, with no appearances in the League, he's fit for being sent out. Another red flag.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 22, 2022, 03:33:01 PM
At some point Gerrard and Lange must have reached a consensus that Archer was worthy of staying around. Now, with no appearances in the League, he's fit for being sent out. Another red flag.

Agree and don’t like saying it. But does feel like they don’t know their ass from their elbow right now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2022, 03:34:52 PM
They haven't exactly made the task of recruitment any easier after being battered by Palace and Fkin Bournemouth.

I am sure players are lining up to sign.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 03:36:41 PM
They haven't exactly made the task of recruitment any easier after being battered by Palace and Fkin Bournemouth.

I am sure players are lining up to sign.

We didn't exactly finish the season in stellar form but still managed to bring Carlos and Kamara in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 22, 2022, 03:44:44 PM
They haven't exactly made the task of recruitment any easier after being battered by Palace and Fkin Bournemouth.

I am sure players are lining up to sign.

We didn't exactly finish the season in stellar form but still managed to bring Carlos and Kamara in.
And I am sure they bought into the pre- season optimism we all shared until we started playing football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2022, 03:47:35 PM
I don't think we're having trouble attracting players to the club because of our start. I think if we're having trouble it's because they reasonably want to know where they fit in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 22, 2022, 03:51:19 PM
I don't think we're having trouble attracting players to the club because of our start. I think if we're having trouble it's because they reasonably want to know where they fit in.

Maybe they’re midfielders who don’t want to play as auxiliary full-backs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2022, 03:52:17 PM
They haven't exactly made the task of recruitment any easier after being battered by Palace and Fkin Bournemouth.

I am sure players are lining up to sign.

It's probably the reason we didn't get Casemiro. :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 22, 2022, 03:52:58 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I agree. There's a flakiness and lack of conviction to our play, especially without the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 22, 2022, 03:53:10 PM
Understandable. I always struggle with the AUX input/output thing at the back of the speakers. Think it did for Sexual Ealing's DJing skills at his own wedding too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 04:01:40 PM
I don't think the players believe in the system they're playing.

I wonder if that's why Mings lost the captaincy. I imagine he'd not be shy about having a chat with the manager; McGinn will show enthusiasm for anything he's asked to do and will go and do it.

The only problem being, he usually does it badly.

Which is why it's a bizarre choice. Though it has to be said, everyone else seems to admire him.

He seems a great side kick. Full of enthusiasm, a funny face, a funny accent and dodgy hair cut. He'll be great to have around, just can't play football very good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 22, 2022, 04:04:44 PM
At some point Gerrard and Lange must have reached a consensus that Archer was worthy of staying around. Now, with no appearances in the League, he's fit for being sent out. Another red flag.

The red flags are piling up. Feels very much like a club peddling backwards and in panic mode. Very worrying - hopefully they have a plan - but the public image right now is a mess
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 22, 2022, 04:05:41 PM
Understandable. I always struggle with the AUX input/output thing at the back of the speakers. Think it did for Sexual Ealing's DJing skills at his own wedding too.

Are you in my garden again, Eamonn?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 04:06:38 PM
At some point Gerrard and Lange must have reached a consensus that Archer was worthy of staying around. Now, with no appearances in the League, he's fit for being sent out. Another red flag.

The red flags are piling up. Feels very much like a club peddling backwards and in panic mode. Very worrying - hopefully they have a plan - but the public image right now is a mess

I think the red flags are there about Gerrard. That's all I'd say. The other stuff is fine, Lange doing ok but there's no big picture that it's all going to shit.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 04:06:57 PM
There's going to be some right shit signings for players we haven't scouted but know about for massively over inflated fees. And when it fucks up Gerrard and Lange can piss off. Another couple of twats pissing hundreds of millions away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 22, 2022, 04:13:59 PM
I dont think there is anything going massively wrong in the club as a whole

We gambled on a manager, and it doesnt look like it will pay off.  Tensions are probably high as all at the club can see these red flags, and there will be a lot of egg on faces the way things are going.  And currently everyone is trying to fix the issues we face.  There may be diagreement about how that happens, but thats not itself a bad thing

But, were still in a strong place, and if and when he SG does leave I think there will be plenty of interest in the role, and maybe they will be a bit more careful this time
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 22, 2022, 04:21:07 PM
A few Southampton thoughts about Bednarek.

He ball watches, he gets caught on the ball, has no physicality and is out muscled way too easily. No pace either. Not a great advert for a PL CB.

If we shed Bednarek and no c*nt else comes in until next summer, I'll be happy.

Bednarek I couldn’t care less where he goes, just as long as it’s permanent.

Bednarek isn’t a terrible defender, nobody got out of the end of last year with any credit but Bednarek was the scapegoat despite the fact tactically we were suicidal

Bednarek is woeful his postioning wen under pressure from Strikers is terrible.

Always gets to tight and gets turned around every time with a ball over the top or between the lines .. good defenders no wen to drop off or push up.. he does neither … ! Decent in the air but not good enough for wot we want ..

Bednarek’s been terrible since the United 9-0, nothing to do with last season at all

He's ok in a low block but given how we want to play he is like a lamb to slaughter because of his slowness and his particular inability to defend crosses.

The problem with Bednarek is when he first came into the team he was probably third or fourth choice, but the fans took to him as he threw himself infront of everything and generally looked like he was passionate about wanting to play well and win for Saints. Now he's just passionate about moaning at everyone else when he's usually the one messing up and hasnt put in a really good performance for months and months. I think he's got a bit too big for his boots personally, so wouldnt really care if he moved on.

I dont think Bednarek is as bad as many think. I also do not think he is good enough.

Hes been in the side for 3 to 4 years now but hasn't seemed to get better, indeed seems more like the reverse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 22, 2022, 04:35:08 PM
I'd be lying if I said I knew anything about Bednarek, but I'm a little bit nonplussed by budget options in key positions. Carlos is going to come back, we hope, on a par to where he was before. But that's February, and beyond to get him up to speed again. Who knows where we'll be in February?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 22, 2022, 04:38:10 PM
At some point Gerrard and Lange must have reached a consensus that Archer was worthy of staying around. Now, with no appearances in the League, he's fit for being sent out. Another red flag.

The red flags are piling up. Feels very much like a club peddling backwards and in panic mode. Very worrying - hopefully they have a plan - but the public image right now is a mess

It strikes me as someone feeling the pressure. Before the season started he was very positive about the roles Cam and Tim had to play in the squad, but now that we've had such a terrible start to the season, the prospect of throwing in a couple of our young players doesn't seem as appealing to him. He wants experience to help dig him out of this hole - the long-term future of these players and the club probably doesn't seem as important to him as the result on Sunday.

I can see the logic behind it all, but it isn't a sustainable way to go on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 05:11:25 PM
Hause and Traore officially out on loan.  So 1 winger,  and 3 fit centre halves,  1 terribly out of form. Looking good Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on August 22, 2022, 05:13:43 PM
Understandable. I always struggle with the AUX input/output thing at the back of the speakers. Think it did for Sexual Ealing's DJing skills at his own wedding too.

Are you in my garden again, Eamonn?

Took me a moment to realise Eamonn was talking about speakers' input-output, and I thought he was accusing SE of sharing a certain predilection with another famous fan of ours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 22, 2022, 05:17:51 PM
Hause and Traore officially out on loan.  So 1 winger,  and 3 fit centre halves,  1 terribly out of form. Looking good Villa.

Yes not great - I can only assume we’re close to a couple of deals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 22, 2022, 05:45:45 PM
Let’s hope it’s  a couple of big signings as Hause is more than an able stand in for what we’ve got now.
If not we are an injury away from a 17 year old being on the pitch against a Moyes side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 22, 2022, 05:47:40 PM
Let’s hope it’s  a couple of big signings as Hause is more than an able stand in for what we’ve got now.
If not we are an injury away from a 17 year old being on the pitch against a Moyes side.

We've still got Chambers and Konsa as it stands as well as Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 22, 2022, 06:01:55 PM
Your right, my mistake. I’d forgotten about Chambers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 22, 2022, 06:03:46 PM
A few Southampton thoughts about Bednarek.

He ball watches, he gets caught on the ball, has no physicality and is out muscled way too easily. No pace either. Not a great advert for a PL CB.

Etc, etc etc

He’s the final piece in our jigsaw.

I’ll bet he’s nicer to his cat than Zouma
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 22, 2022, 06:10:13 PM
Your right, my mistake. I’d forgotten about Chambers.
I think so has Gerrard
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: supertom on August 22, 2022, 06:20:44 PM
Re the Soton thoughts on Bednerak:
"He ball watches, he gets caught on the ball, has no physicality and is out muscled way too easily. No pace either. Not a great advert for a PL CB."

This sounds like a perfect advert for a PL CB. I'd say about 80% probably fit the description. A handful at least have pace, but the rest of the description still stands. And herein lies a problem in how you improve on Mings for example. Defenders can't defend anymore. The ones that can cost 80 million quid and play for title chasers. We certainly do need a body in for numbers, but it's our organisation and coaching, particularly defending counterattacks and set plays, that need to improve and wtf happened to our high press?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 06:33:31 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 22, 2022, 06:35:56 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

I vote for the wine. Always the wine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 22, 2022, 06:37:20 PM
Re the Soton thoughts on Bednerak:
"He ball watches, he gets caught on the ball, has no physicality and is out muscled way too easily. No pace either. Not a great advert for a PL CB."

Doesn't matter, with all the doom mongering on here atm they'll convince themselves we've signed Jan Ragnarök.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 06:42:47 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

I vote for the wine. Always the wine.

Wine wins. A superb New Zealand Pinot Noir tonight… and why not?

It looks like I have my promotion course finally in October, so Wine is naturally required! Just need to pass the bloody thing and not turn into a knuckle dragging idiot with a brain full of mush. Which is something I’m incredibly capable of doing…

Cheers!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 06:49:44 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

Cheerful that you've been out all day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 06:51:55 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

Cheerful that you've been out all day.

Ahh you must be great fun at dinner parties.

Just to qualify… that’s an attempt at humour. If taken the wrong way, I’m sorry. I’m glad my absence makes people happy.

It’s what my wife says to me too. So it must be true
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 22, 2022, 07:02:21 PM
Re the Soton thoughts on Bednerak:
"He ball watches, he gets caught on the ball, has no physicality and is out muscled way too easily. No pace either. Not a great advert for a PL CB."

This sounds like a perfect advert for a PL CB. I'd say about 80% probably fit the description. A handful at least have pace, but the rest of the description still stands. And herein lies a problem in how you improve on Mings for example. Defenders can't defend anymore. The ones that can cost 80 million quid and play for title chasers. We certainly do need a body in for numbers, but it's our organisation and coaching, particularly defending counterattacks and set plays, that need to improve and wtf happened to our high press?

£80m bought Man United Maguire a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 10:14:54 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

Cheerful that you've been out all day.

Ahh you must be great fun at dinner parties.

Just to qualify… that’s an attempt at humour. If taken the wrong way, I’m sorry. I’m glad my absence makes people happy.

It’s what my wife says to me too. So it must be true

Noooo I meant you should be cheerful you've been out all day and not been enduring the misery of a Monday after the football weekend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 10:20:09 PM
I’ve been out all day… anything to be cheerful about yet? Or put the phone down and go back to the Wine?

Cheerful that you've been out all day.

Ahh you must be great fun at dinner parties.

Just to qualify… that’s an attempt at humour. If taken the wrong way, I’m sorry. I’m glad my absence makes people happy.

It’s what my wife says to me too. So it must be true

Noooo I meant you should be cheerful you've been out all day and not been enduring the misery of a Monday after the football weekend.

Oh it’s been wonderful! I’ve not had to think about football once today…

Sorry for misunderstanding!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 10:22:12 PM
Apologies for the lack of clarity originally.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris_Jephcott on August 22, 2022, 10:23:33 PM
Apologies for the lack of clarity originally.

I actually blame the aforementioned wine for the misinterpretation in the first place!!

Wonder what tomorrow will bring? I’d love some good news story out of the club, but fear it’ll be stony silence again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 22, 2022, 10:24:50 PM
We'll beat Bolton and Gerrard will be chuffed and feel vindicated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 22, 2022, 10:58:09 PM
Wonder if Bailly going to Marseille will free up Carr to come to us m at 6"4 and having some reputation to be able to pass out from the back I really hope so. Bednarek looks completely pointless.

Interestingly,  Carr is off the same agent group as Ratboy,  along with Kalvin Phillips.  They must be raking it in. They also have Auoar and Raul De Thomas that we have been linked with on their books,  so someone there is peddling their players well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2022, 01:25:57 AM
Who is Carr?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 23, 2022, 01:35:44 AM
Who is Carr?

I wondered that too, the best I could come up with was the 6' 3" QB for the Raiders, Derek Carr.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 23, 2022, 02:09:14 AM
Who is Carr?

I wondered that too, the best I could come up with was the 6' 3" QB for the Raiders, Derek Carr.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/duje-caleta-car/profil/spieler/238266
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 23, 2022, 07:46:17 AM
Who is Carr?

I wondered that too, the best I could come up with was the 6' 3" QB for the Raiders, Derek Carr.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/duje-caleta-car/profil/spieler/238266

We were linked with him a month or so back were we not? I might be imagining it but I'm sure I've seen his name pop up recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on August 23, 2022, 07:53:41 AM
Wonder if Bailly going to Marseille will free up Carr to come to us m at 6"4 and having some reputation to be able to pass out from the back I really hope so. Bednarek looks completely pointless.

Interestingly,  Carr is off the same agent group as Ratboy,  along with Kalvin Phillips.  They must be raking it in. They also have Auoar and Raul De Thomas that we have been linked with on their books,  so someone there is peddling their players well.

Lost touch a little bit, but, where has Bailly to Marseilles come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 08:00:19 AM
Romano is reporting that he's going there on loan with buy option. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 23, 2022, 08:02:58 AM
Who is Carr?
Nothing to do with the African Reverser of cars, is it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 23, 2022, 08:09:28 AM
Romano is reporting that he's going there on loan with buy option.

That would have explained the Sarr deal, had it happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on August 23, 2022, 08:19:50 AM
Romano is reporting that he's going there on loan with buy option.

That would have explained the Sarr deal, had it happened.
I think you might be confusing Eric Bailly and Leon Bailey....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 23, 2022, 08:36:31 AM
How about that Turkish (?) fella at Leicester who isn’t getting a look in at the moment? Looks like Terry Hurlock. Is he still there?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 23, 2022, 09:00:00 AM
Who is Carr?

Franz
Stephen
Pearl*

*One for us old 'uns.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2022, 09:22:41 AM
Sarr, Carr...how Farr off are we from any of these Starrs?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on August 23, 2022, 09:36:36 AM
Who is Carr?
Willie
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 23, 2022, 09:38:27 AM
Who is Carr?
New CB partnership with Teddy Johnson!


Franz
Stephen
Pearl*

*One for us old 'uns.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frankmosswasmyuncle on August 23, 2022, 09:39:37 AM
Who is Carr?

Franz
Stephen
Pearl*

*One for us old 'uns.
New CB partnership with Teddy Johnson!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 23, 2022, 09:43:36 AM
Who is Carr?

Franz
Stephen
Pearl*

*One for us old 'uns.
New CB partnership with Teddy Johnson!

Ha, could have had Deborah too but I would have been machine-gunned for mis-spelling.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2022, 09:52:22 AM
How about that Turkish (?) fella at Leicester who isn’t getting a look in at the moment? Looks like Terry Hurlock. Is he still there?

Whenever I saw him last season he was shocking. Ball playing CB he ain't. Soyuncu that is not Terry.

Obviously the injury to Carlos couldn't he helped but Gerrard is now completely reliant on Mings until the WC break. Just shows as a manager you can never fully burn your bridges with a player. Letting Sanson go considering the state of our midfield is a nonsense too, if Luiz isn't signing a contract then surely he should be the one pushed out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on August 23, 2022, 10:03:20 AM
With Hause gone we must have someone lined up unless he really believes Feeney can step up
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 23, 2022, 10:06:06 AM
Ryan Kent stares at phone...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 10:46:34 AM
Ryan Kent I thought would be first through the door when Gerrard arrived,  so having missed Sarr it's hardly a leap to Kent.  He's a very hard working player too,  so would help with the press.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2022, 10:52:24 AM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2022, 10:53:04 AM
Is he the one you said we were after though?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2022, 11:06:21 AM
No the contact said Villa were after one of the players who came on in that first game.
For a loan.
And we weren't the only ones
And that it depends on what Chelsea got in

Loftus Cheek
Christian Pulisic
Connor Gallagher
Armando Broja

But things change! No Frenkie de Jong and injuries Midfield issues for Chelsea saw RLC and Gallagher get roles since RLC unvaccinated so hard to shift. Chukwuemeka has to wait in line!
Big name attacking players coming in at Chelsea which Broja the striker told about and hasn't been involved since and he'll go same.
Same with if Forfanna deal gets done Chabolah would be available.

Reckons Everton and Leicester will take the money.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on August 23, 2022, 11:18:31 AM
Permission to be underwhelmed please as we wait for others rejects.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2022, 11:23:39 AM
Is he the one you said we were after though?

Because of the football pyramid, Villa is frequently sounded out for opportunistic moves by clubs' player agents, but we also have the prestige of both the club and the manager. In addition to the perhaps cynical knowledge of football, we have wealthy owners.

The Jan Bednarek stuff arose after he had a falling out with Husenhutal and fits the profile of international, premier league, and knows one of our players. The idea being he settles in straight away. Chambers was the same.

Odi, the Chelsea player, is on the radar, but it's the standard operating procedure of having previous in dealing with a club, then dealing again for another. As an example, consider Watford and Sarr, as well as the loans we did them.

I don't know all the facts and I don't like to always ask I just get told how things work and it's very interesting how people are viewed.  Though it's opinion more than anything. That's why thou since news I heard I've been underwhelmed by Lange's approach over this window . Despite the fact that it is a classic networking and keeping your contacts.
Of course, we hear about ambition, but its simply like you have to wait for the big boys to do their thing, especially on the domestic front, unless you have a very dynamic or connected recruitment team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2022, 11:28:22 AM
Loftus-Cheek was abysmal against Leeds. He’s a big useless lump, so I hope we go nowhere near him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2022, 11:38:12 AM
Remember we went after JWP but ended up signing Danny Ings.
There's nothing wrong with it, depending on who a club signs in the end. The issue would be any club's departure from its initial transfer strategy.
Lange still got the contacts there. That's normal though. Even if there was no first intentions this summer to deal with Saints but things happen as Carlos gets injured. And opportunities arise.

Sure there are loads of examples it's just this sports business practice
Its the pro active vs reactive way approaches
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 23, 2022, 11:47:52 AM
Loftus-Cheek was abysmal against Leeds. He’s a big useless lump, so I hope we go nowhere near him.

He'd be a squad-filler. So precisely what we don't need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2022, 11:51:22 AM
Cheers Footy. You and Vinnie Chase's contacts are appreciated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 11:56:14 AM
We need a proper leader in midfield,  not a continually half fit Chelsea reserve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 23, 2022, 11:56:39 AM
Loftus-Cheek was abysmal against Leeds. He’s a big useless lump, so I hope we go nowhere near him.

He'd be a squad-filler. So precisely what we don't need.

Not an improvement on anything we currently have, not even that good. I've never understood the hype surrounding him.  Another reason...double barreled surname, we should stay well clear.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 23, 2022, 11:57:06 AM
Has archer gone out on loan?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 23, 2022, 12:41:27 PM
Has archer gone out on loan?

Nope
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 23, 2022, 01:07:03 PM
Cheers Footy. You and Vinnie Chase's contacts are appreciated.

My contact is new to me as he is to having Chelsea connections themselves . He even said they would sign Ronaldo though!

VC (and others) are the ones for direct Villa stuff.
Or indirect.
And then there's people who live round Villa players who give us gold about players who are selling their houses.
That's always a good spot.

Anything else I would ever hear about Villa, like many, is third party.

Up the Villa!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on August 23, 2022, 01:17:28 PM
Broja and Watkins would be energetic up front at least. I fear without a decent midfield setup it won't matter a jot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 23, 2022, 03:10:14 PM
Seeing we "hold an interest" in Ben Brereton Diaz from Blackburn. Be still, my beating heart.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 23, 2022, 03:11:07 PM
Seeing we "hold an interest" in Ben Brereton Diaz from Blackburn. Be still, my beating heart.

Phwoaaar
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 03:32:56 PM
Didn't forest once pay £10m for him. Or was it the other way round.

Anyhow,  he any good??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 23, 2022, 03:35:27 PM
Since he got a call-up to Chile he's kicked on massively. But he's no Marcelo Salas.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 03:43:30 PM
Ah what a player.  Him and the guy who looked nails and played for Inter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2022, 04:25:12 PM
Zamorano ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on August 23, 2022, 04:25:22 PM
Ryan Kent stares at phone...
I've just realised, you aren't talking about the guy from Ted Lasso
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 23, 2022, 04:27:31 PM
Zamorano ?

Just say no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2022, 04:33:57 PM
Zamorano ?

Just say no.

No.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 23, 2022, 04:40:12 PM
Does that make McGinn our Tucker Jenkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 23, 2022, 04:47:37 PM
Does that make McGinn our Tucker Jenkins?

Roland Browning.

Thought I'd get that in before someone else did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 23, 2022, 05:32:05 PM
Seeing we "hold an interest" in Ben Brereton Diaz from Blackburn. Be still, my beating heart.

As on Blackburn fan put it, 'Get him sold, I am worried that Brereton will reappear and Diaz will disappear, I wouldn't take the risk, flog him to the money crazy premier league'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 23, 2022, 05:50:48 PM
Loftus-Cheek was abysmal against Leeds. He’s a big useless lump, so I hope we go nowhere near him.

He absolute shite. One of those and you wonder how are they anywhere near a squad that plays regularly in the CL. A beneficiary of the homegrown players rule no doubt. His real level, if he was bothered playing consistently, would be in the second division. It's like something stupid Gerrard would do, mind. We need someone big in midfield etc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 23, 2022, 05:56:08 PM
Didn't forest once pay £10m for him. Or was it the other way round.

Anyhow,  he any good??

Without checking, I think he scored his first goal for Forest against us in our Di Matteo season. When he was something like 15 years old.

Just like Jarrod Bowen only became a thing for the first time when he scored for Hull against us.

And Harry Kane had never...

Etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 06:05:29 PM
Do you think other clubs have the same levels of fan ptsd?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: enigma on August 23, 2022, 06:56:23 PM
Loftus-Cheek was abysmal against Leeds. He’s a big useless lump, so I hope we go nowhere near him.
He was played as a wingback though to be fair. he's not too bad in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 23, 2022, 06:57:47 PM
We have a million "not too bad" players. Loftus-Cheek would be as boring as fuck.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 23, 2022, 07:11:13 PM
I noticed Morelos has been excluded from the Rangers squad for 'fitness and attitude issues'. You don't think... do you?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on August 23, 2022, 07:11:30 PM
We've been linked with Loftus-Cheek for what seems like forever.

He's crap, and he can piss off and take Harry Winks with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 07:13:40 PM
I noticed Morelos has been excluded from the Rangers squad for 'fitness and attitude issues'. You don't think... do you?

Walking red card
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on August 23, 2022, 07:15:30 PM
I noticed Morelos has been excluded from the Rangers squad for 'fitness and attitude issues'. You don't think... do you?

Walking red card
Apparently he got sent off at the weekend. I would avoid like the plague but I'm not our current head coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 23, 2022, 07:21:03 PM
He'd be just about the most moronic signing going.

I can see us signing Morelos,  Winks and Bednarek and trying to style it out as some kind of brilliant end to the window the way the last week has gone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 23, 2022, 07:21:48 PM
I think signing Morelos would be the end of Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 23, 2022, 07:30:28 PM
Seeing we "hold an interest" in Ben Brereton Diaz from Blackburn. Be still, my beating heart.
That’s giving me Rudy Gestede vibes
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 23, 2022, 10:46:59 PM
Sounds to me like we have at least two more incoming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 23, 2022, 10:54:11 PM
I think signing Morelos would be the end of Gerrard.

No chance were after him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 23, 2022, 11:06:13 PM
Ryan Kent works hard but can't say I've ever watched him and thought he'd be a standout wide player in premier league or whatever inside position he plays.

Aribo would've been more logical if we hadn't signed Coutinho, had a decent start for Southampton.

Brereton Diaz would only make sense if we sell one of the senior strikers otherwise he'll just be getting minutes Archer really should be getting, he feels ripe for Everton deadline day move.

After a few years of making logical moves in transfer mark it does feel worryingly like we've lost our way in last 12 months and now it's just a scattergun approach with little long term planning so can't say I'm confident as to what is going to turn up in next 8 days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 23, 2022, 11:09:36 PM
I think signing Morelos would be the end of Gerrard.

No chance were after him

Thank god for that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 24, 2022, 07:21:13 AM
If we are after Diaz from Blackburn and a reserve defender from Spurs, could we not have signed these players during June if they were our top targets or are we now just trying to sign squad fillers who have no real chance of making the first 11?

The defender from Spurs - Tanganga, my Spurs supporting friend tells me that he did well on his debut under Mourinho but since then has not improved, but he may be good if he can get regular games in a club like Villa, where there is no pressure and as long as you stay up that will be okay - his words

Knowing Levy he will want us to pay £40 million for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 24, 2022, 07:22:59 AM
Not seen enough of Diaz to know if he’d make the step up, or turn into another Gestede.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 24, 2022, 07:28:15 AM
Not seen enough of Diaz to know if he’d make the step up, or turn into another Gestede.
he will be an improvement on Watkins and Ings
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 24, 2022, 07:33:38 AM
If we are after Diaz from Blackburn and a reserve defender from Spurs, could we not have signed these players during June if they were our top targets or are we now just trying to sign squad fillers who have no real chance of making the first 11?

The defender from Spurs - Tanganga, my Spurs supporting friend tells me that he did well on his debut under Mourinho but since then has not improved, but he may be good if he can get regular games in a club like Villa, where there is no pressure and as long as you stay up that will be okay - his words

Knowing Levy he will want us to pay £40 million for him.

Peak Spurs fan right there. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 24, 2022, 07:47:55 AM
If we are after Diaz from Blackburn and a reserve defender from Spurs, could we not have signed these players during June if they were our top targets or are we now just trying to sign squad fillers who have no real chance of making the first 11?

The defender from Spurs - Tanganga, my Spurs supporting friend tells me that he did well on his debut under Mourinho but since then has not improved, but he may be good if he can get regular games in a club like Villa, where there is no pressure and as long as you stay up that will be okay - his words

Knowing Levy he will want us to pay £40 million for him.
Tanganga has played a fair bit at right back as well....


I'm not a fan of the loan, particularly from clubs like Chelsea and Spurrrrrrs where a large fee might be involved. And if they're involving players like Hudson-Odoi (who appears somewhat self-entitled), RLC (just underwhelming) or Tanganga (now 3rd choice at Spurrrrrrs) it doesn't look great.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2022, 08:03:50 AM
Not seen enough of Diaz to know if he’d make the step up, or turn into another Gestede.
he will be an improvement on Watkins and Ings

Not sure that’s true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2022, 08:07:35 AM
Loaning Tanganga would be a small time move if that’s what’s happening. I thought we were supposed to be competing with the likes of Spurs very soon, not borrowing their surplus and even more importantly he’s not really very good anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 24, 2022, 09:32:12 AM
I thought we were passed the stage of loaning players, give our young kids a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2022, 09:54:25 AM
Where on earth has this reference to Tanganga come from? I can’t see it anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 24, 2022, 10:25:35 AM
Loaning Tanganga would be a small time move if that’s what’s happening. I thought we were supposed to be competing with the likes of Spurs very soon, not borrowing their surplus and even more importantly he’s not really very good anyway.
We are miles away from competing with Spurs, as sad as that sounds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 24, 2022, 10:27:47 AM
After the initial early signings its all got a bit flat to say the least.

Fingers crossed I'm surprised by the club going under the radar and signing some good players no one was expecting. Can't see it this late in the window though but happy too be proved wrong Mr Lange.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 11:53:29 AM
I would sooner pay Feeney than loan a Spurs player. Unless it's Son. I'd happily loan Son.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2022, 12:26:51 PM
I would sooner pay Feeney than loan a Spurs player. Unless it's Son. I'd happily loan Son.

That other bloke up front is ok, Harry someone…

Not against loaning players in they’re better than what we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 24, 2022, 12:48:01 PM
I was playing golf last night with a Spurs fan and he can’t believe Tanganga can’t get in the side as he was playing especially well tail end of last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2022, 01:44:25 PM
I was playing golf last night with a Spurs fan and he can’t believe Tanganga can’t get in the side as he was playing especially well tail end of last season.

If we are going for loan cover at CB I'd prefer Tanganga to Bednarek. Younger, faster and can also play at RB.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 24, 2022, 02:10:58 PM
I was playing golf last night with a Spurs fan and he can’t believe Tanganga can’t get in the side as he was playing especially well tail end of last season.
Sounds like an Adidas football
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 24, 2022, 02:17:28 PM
I wish we'd got Bissouma last transfer window. I think him and Kamara together would have been a cracking pairing. I'm hoping for a few links to some solid unit centre mids.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 24, 2022, 02:24:45 PM
Attila Szalai anyone? A 6ft4 Hungarian CB currently at Fenerbahçe. A Hungarian twitter account suggesting his transfer has been agreed to a "surprising" club, and a Turkish account saying that we're in for him.

I don't know much about him, but it could be fun to post "U OK hun?" every time he goes down injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2022, 02:26:55 PM
Attila Szalai

.. and I'll have the Chicken Dupiaza, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 02:34:21 PM
I wish we'd got Bissouma last transfer window. I think him and Kamara together would have been a cracking pairing. I'm hoping for a few links to some solid unit centre mids.

Me too,  they would have been quality together.

Our neglect of cental midfield reminds me of Wenger and Centre halves at Arsenal.

The Hungarian would be a very decent buy if his reputation is to be believed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 24, 2022, 02:37:17 PM
West ham and Newcastle bidding £33 million and £58 million for players today. These are teams that already finished above us in the previous years. This just reinforces the points I was making over the last week. If we are going to compete in the market then we should reevaluate our ambitions and given we publicly said that we should be going for Europe then this announcement should be public also.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 24, 2022, 02:42:11 PM
We aren't competing for Europe this season. We are nowhere near. We're competing for 12th. The only new player we will have in the line up on Sunday will be a free transfer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2022, 02:43:26 PM
I don't know much about him, but it could be fun to post "U OK hun?"

It could also be fun to post that after a PSV victory tonight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 24, 2022, 02:43:54 PM
Purslow talks us up to be this great big super power who are going to take on Europe with 50,000 crammed into Villa Park. It's all false hope which ends in forever upset and feeling let down.

This summer the window has been tragic

Carlos - Good but injured

Coutinho - I still cringe at Purslow announcing him on stage at that rewards thing. He isn't up to it
Kamara-looks OK

+ GK and Loan cover for Digne

How is that going to improve on 14th?


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 24, 2022, 02:47:13 PM
Footy's boy Isak going to Toon for.. 63 MILLION?!

TransferMarkt has his value around 33m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 02:55:56 PM
Purslow talks us up to be this great big super power who are going to take on Europe with 50,000 crammed into Villa Park. It's all false hope which ends in forever upset and feeling let down.

This summer the window has been tragic

Carlos - Good but injured

Coutinho - I still cringe at Purslow announcing him on stage at that rewards thing. He isn't up to it
Kamara-looks OK

+ GK and Loan cover for Digne

How is that going to improve on 14th?

You're right. May as well give up now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2022, 03:06:55 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 24, 2022, 03:09:43 PM
Footy's boy Isak going to Toon for.. 63 MILLION?!

TransferMarkt has his value around 33m.

Heard he plays a wicked game tho
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2022, 03:12:18 PM
Footy's boy Isak going to Toon for.. 63 MILLION?!

TransferMarkt has his value around 33m.

Heard he plays a wicked game tho

👏
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 24, 2022, 03:13:28 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 03:18:48 PM
Mad money.

The ambition talk doesn't exactly ring whole at the moment.  West Ham has already bought a number of players this summer,  Newcastle are flying and adding good players, but their masterstroke was Guimares in Jan.  He's a proper centre mid.

Feels all a bit Man City and Lerner at the moment. I am sure it's not and the owners are just as engaged as ever,  but we feel like we have stalled.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 24, 2022, 03:23:40 PM
There is a reason I was desperate for Newcastle to get relegated, was annoyed we let them have Targett and was very irritated that we lost the away game to them when they were still not out of it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 24, 2022, 03:41:22 PM
There is a reason I was desperate for Newcastle to get relegated, was annoyed we let them have Targett and was very irritated that we lost the away game to them when they were still not out of it

I never need a specific reason to want Newcastle relegated. Bunch of throbbers. Excluding The Fish on here, who seems a decent sort.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 24, 2022, 03:41:33 PM
Mad money.

The ambition talk doesn't exactly ring whole at the moment.  West Ham has already bought a number of players this summer,  Newcastle are flying and adding good players, but their masterstroke was Guimares in Jan.  He's a proper centre mid.

Feels all a bit Man City and Lerner at the moment. I am sure it's not and the owners are just as engaged as ever,  but we feel like we have stalled.







Don't suggest that!! I mentioned Lerner and never heard the end of it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 24, 2022, 03:41:49 PM
The transfer market is just madness now.

I know the saying that players are worth what someones willing to pay but when you look at the likes of Gibbs White for a reported £30 million with add ons to £40 odd million its crazy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2022, 03:47:16 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.

Ha! You're showing your age, Chris.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on August 24, 2022, 04:00:15 PM
The transfer market is just madness now.

I know the saying that players are worth what someones willing to pay but when you look at the likes of Gibbs White for a reported £30 million with add ons to £40 odd million its crazy.

It's not just him, Anthony Gordon at Everton being quoted as £50m+ is insane.  Good player, but he has four goals and eight assists in his season and a bit in the first team.

Interesting Anthony Gordon fact.  After playing (and impressing) in a couple of EFL cup matches, he spent the second half of the season in 20/21 on loan at Preston, before returning to become a first-team mainstay the following season, and is now worth £50m. 

I wonder if Archer will follow the same trajectory...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 24, 2022, 04:12:06 PM
If Gordon is worth £50 million, our Cam must be worth at least double that surely!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 24, 2022, 04:12:48 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 24, 2022, 04:34:08 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB

Rumoured replacement for Fofana at Leicester providing Chelsea up their offer. As mentioned above, Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter.  We need Fofana to stay at Leicester but Chelsea seem determined to land him this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on August 24, 2022, 04:36:10 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
sounds good
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2022, 05:47:17 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
He has good pedigree, having played his formative football in Germany at Mainz and Dortmund, however has only been a bit part player for PSG for the last 3 seasons. If he is not good enough to hold his place in a farmers league how's he going to coe with Premier League?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 24, 2022, 06:08:47 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
He has good pedigree, having played his formative football in Germany at Mainz and Dortmund, however has only been a bit part player for PSG for the last 3 seasons. If he is not good enough to hold his place in a farmers league how's he going to coe with Premier League?

I’ve no idea about him, but what I would say is I don’t think you can draw much of a conclusion on a defensive player’s quality just because he doesn’t get in the PSG team. He might be way too good for the league and still not play.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2022, 06:14:46 PM
That's true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 24, 2022, 06:16:28 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
He has good pedigree, having played his formative football in Germany at Mainz and Dortmund, however has only been a bit part player for PSG for the last 3 seasons. If he is not good enough to hold his place in a farmers league how's he going to coe with Premier League?

I’ve no idea about him, but what I would say is I don’t think you can draw much of a conclusion on a defensive player’s quality just because he doesn’t get in the PSG team. He might be way too good for the league and still not play.

Exactly. You can't hold it against the guy for not getting into a back 3 with Kimpembe, Marquinhos and Sergio Ramos.. its a new system for PSG and maybe it doesn't accommodate his skillset for whatever reason.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on August 24, 2022, 06:16:53 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.
My Chelsea contact said she's up for it if I can travel down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on August 24, 2022, 06:33:33 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.
My Chelsea contact said she's up for it if I can travel down.

You've left a hostage to fortune with that statement.

No muff to tough, you dive at five, as they used to say.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2022, 07:31:54 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.

My Chelsea contact said she's up for it if I can travel down.

Say hello to Raquel for me. https://www.pinterest.com/pin/510103095269904578/?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 07:32:08 PM
It's going to be Jan Fecking Bednarek isn't it
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on August 24, 2022, 07:40:20 PM
It's going to be Jan Fecking Bednarek isn't it

I think I would rather have Chester back on loan....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 07:43:15 PM
I'd rather play Feeney. If we are writing off the season might as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on August 24, 2022, 07:45:46 PM
I'd rather play Feeney. If we are writing off the season might as well.

I like the sentiment - but having watched the U21s last week - I wasn't convinced. after all he is what? 17/18?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 07:50:04 PM
Shrug. Bednarek is as underwhelming as Oyvind Leonhardson.  Its not even Zat Knight levels. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 24, 2022, 08:15:04 PM
There's little point in signing Bednarek. It's not as though we've got European football, etc. Give the young lads and chance and see what they've got if Konsa, etc, get injured. This time last year how far down the picking order was Archer? Now look at him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 24, 2022, 08:17:45 PM
Shrug. Bednarek is as underwhelming as Oyvind Leonhardson.  Its not even Zat Knight levels.

It sounds like the links to Serie A have more substance.. cross your fingers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 08:35:17 PM
I did read that Juve want to offload that Zakaria. If true we should be all over it,  perfect for our midfield.  Bit of height and a bit of bite.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2022, 09:21:34 PM
It's going to be Jan Fecking Bednarek isn't it

I think I would rather have Chester back on loan....

Ralph Husenhutal on Jan Bednarek being a leader:

“Bednarek, for example, is not a young player anymore, he should be now turning into a leader.”

Bednarek seems a decent chap and character and has a good mindset so maybe it could prove to be an astute signing. He does give his all.  Not much of any upgrade though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 24, 2022, 09:26:46 PM
Shrug. Bednarek is as underwhelming as Oyvind Leonhardson. 
What a strange signing that was, even SGT admitted that he forgot he existed until he saw his name on the back of the programme when we played Spurs. Tbf I think he actually scored one or two important goals for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 24, 2022, 09:35:44 PM
Watching PSV and Sangre (as I read we were linked) and he is a huge unit but has not really stood out that much tothink he would be in our first XI
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 24, 2022, 09:40:46 PM
Shrug. Bednarek is as underwhelming as Oyvind Leonhardson. 
What a strange signing that was, even SGT admitted that he forgot he existed until he saw his name on the back of the programme when we played Spurs. Tbf I think he actually scored one or two important goals for us.

For saying how often he’s mentioned as the go-to ‘uninspiring example signing’  (and in fairness he was when it was announced) I thought he did quite well for us, scoring a few from the right hand side of midfield. Has he been a few years younger I’d have expected us to have kept him a bit longer.
As for links at the moment, I don’t know what to make of most of them. Are we actually going to get a dominant centre mid? Get the right one and we might not have to worry so much about playing the centre backs we already have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2022, 09:44:05 PM
Calum Chambers was as bland a signing as they come but he’s done really well since coming here. That pass over the top to Coutinho and his goal at Leeds…nobody saw those coming. Don’t need Bednarek to do that. Just be a solid PL defender next to Mings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 24, 2022, 09:54:57 PM
Bednarek is shit. If we really did go down that route it’d be very disappointing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 24, 2022, 10:04:34 PM
Footy's boy Isak going to Toon for.. 63 MILLION?!

TransferMarkt has his value around 33m.

Heard he plays a wicked game tho

👏

Yes Isak is a statement signing.
He'll get goals and would have liked Lange to have made a move for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 24, 2022, 10:13:44 PM
Bednarek is shit. If we really did go down that route it’d be very disappointing

I’m not advocating for him. I’m preparing myself mentally for when we do sign him. Of course if stays there or goes elsewhere he will be utter shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 24, 2022, 10:19:33 PM
Calum Chambers was as bland a signing as they come but he’s done really well since coming here. That pass over the top to Coutinho and his goal at Leeds…nobody saw those coming. Don’t need Bednarek to do that. Just be a solid PL defender next to Mings.

A pity he was mugged off by that Bolton striker last night for their goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 10:43:39 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning,  but then no one knew we were after Sarr until it came out of nowhere
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 24, 2022, 10:49:35 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning,  but then no one knew we were after Sarr until it came out of nowhere

Were there any links to that PSV midfielder or was it just speculation on here, now they’ve been knocked out of the champions league they might want to cash in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 24, 2022, 10:52:30 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning, 

Not at all, under NSWE we don't really do transfer links.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 24, 2022, 10:56:16 PM
Shrug. Bednarek is as underwhelming as Oyvind Leonhardson. 
What a strange signing that was, even SGT admitted that he forgot he existed until he saw his name on the back of the programme when we played Spurs. Tbf I think he actually scored one or two important goals for us.

I seem to remember Leonhardsen invariably played when we won that season….decent player, nowt spectacular
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 10:59:11 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning, 

Not at all, under NSWE we don't really do transfer links.

We do quite often.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 24, 2022, 10:59:49 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning, 

Not at all, under NSWE we don't really do transfer links.

We do quite often.

But then the chief weapon of the Spani...DANNY INGS!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 24, 2022, 11:00:49 PM
The opposition would probably be more afraid of the comfy cushion.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 24, 2022, 11:02:13 PM
The lack of any links to centre mids at the moment is a trifle concerning, 

Not at all, under NSWE we don't really do transfer links.

Convenient chopping of half a sentence.

We quite often do,  Bednarek currently,  Kamara was linked for ages,  Coutinho was linked etc. We do a few stealth ones for sure,  but we do get a lot of links too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 25, 2022, 01:24:50 AM
Whoever we sign I just hope it’s with a plan. No more loans or players looking for a last pay day but players that have been brought in for a reason and not just in panic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 25, 2022, 04:54:33 AM
A new CB to replace Carlos is urgently required. Only 3 CB options at present. I thought the timing of letting Hause go on loan was stupid. Why didn't they wait until a replacement was secured first? The defence has been a mess from the word go this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2022, 07:00:18 AM
If we sign Bednarek on loan for the season, the only time he will play will be in the cup games
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2022, 07:45:01 AM
Whoever we sign I just hope it’s with a plan. No more loans or players looking for a last pay day but players that have been brought in for a reason and not just in panic.

Not sure can do that for a centre back…all the planning was for Carlos so any signing now wasn’t fully planned and whether it’s a loan or buy it needs to be done.

Any other position if we buy you’d hope it’s planned but like most teams it’s going to be a case of reacting to the domino effect around deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2022, 08:07:16 AM
A new CB to replace Carlos is urgently required...
'Urgent'? Another good CMF and a change to the tactics requiring the fullbacks to be attackers - i.e. playing a proper back 4 - and the 3 we have plus Feeney would probably be fine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2022, 08:32:19 AM
I would imagine that the CB would be a loan for a season, there is no point buying a new CB and giving him a 3 year contract when potentially next season he would be 5th or 6th choice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 25, 2022, 08:38:20 AM
I would imagine that the CB would be a loan for a season, there is no point buying a new CB and giving him a 3 year contract when potentially next season he would be 5th or 6th choice.

That’s why we should focus on using resources to buy a CB which is to play alongside Carlos when he’s back. In turn replacing/upgrading Konsa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 25, 2022, 08:50:02 AM
I would imagine that the CB would be a loan for a season, there is no point buying a new CB and giving him a 3 year contract when potentially next season he would be 5th or 6th choice.

That’s why we should focus on using resources to buy a CB which is to play alongside Carlos when he’s back. In turn replacing/upgrading Konsa




100% accurate
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 25, 2022, 08:55:52 AM
Newcastle spending £60 million on Alexander Isak. 32 starts in LaLiga and six goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 25, 2022, 09:02:43 AM
in fairness, he scored 17 the season before and is widely thought as one of the best young strikers in Europe. It's a lot of money though. When we did our business early I was really pleased but it needed to be backed up by 2 straight into the first team buys (£40m+) to really kick us on. Failing to do that has probably put us back relative to the chasing pack now given how much the likes of West Ham have spent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2022, 09:18:09 AM
They signed another forward last year that seems to have impacted him and where he was getting his chances from the previous year, he wasn't able to occupy those spaces.

Suggests he cannot play in 2 man forward line, so guess Wilson is surplus to requirements.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 09:19:28 AM
Wilson is very injury prone,  so makes sense for them. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 25, 2022, 09:20:26 AM
Footy's boy Isak going to Toon for.. 63 MILLION?!

TransferMarkt has his value around 33m.

Heard he plays a wicked game tho

👏

Yes Isak is a statement signing.
He'll get goals and would have liked Lange to have made a move for him.


Only got 6 last year.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 25, 2022, 09:20:35 AM
Yep, at this moment in time we’re 1 very promising young French midfielder better than last seasons 14th squad, although they have had bad luck with the CB situation admittedly. I also think the squad is capable of better than 14th, but if the ambition is really as great as we’re led to believe they need to work hard in the final week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2022, 09:31:16 AM
I personally don't think we can expect the club to splash out silly money to replace players who get injured,  unless it's critical. A loan to replace Carlos would suffice I think for now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2022, 09:31:25 AM
Yep, at this moment in time we’re 1 very promising young French midfielder better than last seasons 14th squad, although they have had bad luck with the CB situation admittedly. I also think the squad is capable of better than 14th, but if the ambition is really as great as we’re led to believe they need to work hard in the final week.

Absolutely agree.

Very unlucky with the injury but it has happened and left us looking like we’ve not improved nearly enough.

If we don’t see a couple of seriously impressive signings I reckon it’s another year of poking around in 14th.

They MUST surely be on the verge of signing a cb though. Otherwise Hause would still be here.

Re Feeney who a few have mentioned. He looks very promising but he’s a kid - just turned 17.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on August 25, 2022, 09:37:50 AM
The owners stated ambitions are not currently being met by the level of the limited number of players we are linked with.  We should be fishing in the same pond as Newcastle and West Ham but appear instead to be competing with Brighton and Palace - two sides already better than us on current form.  Yes top 6 places can be achieved without top players but that takes top class coaching which is something even Gerrards own mother would be hard to name as a quality he has.  I think Sunday will tell us whether he has lost the dressing room.  WHU are currently very beatable.  If we roll over again I'd be looking for a replacement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 09:40:27 AM
Yep, at this moment in time we’re 1 very promising young French midfielder better than last seasons 14th squad, although they have had bad luck with the CB situation admittedly. I also think the squad is capable of better than 14th, but if the ambition is really as great as we’re led to believe they need to work hard in the final week.

Absolutely agree.

Very unlucky with the injury but it has happened and left us looking like we’ve not improved nearly enough.

If we don’t see a couple of seriously impressive signings I reckon it’s another year of poking around in 14th.

They MUST surely be on the verge of signing a cb though. Otherwise Hause would still be here.

Re Feeney who a few have mentioned. He looks very promising but he’s a kid - just turned 17.

If that's Jan Bednarek I think poking around 14th is nailed on,  with some nervous looking over our shoulder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 25, 2022, 09:52:45 AM
I personally don't think we can expect the club to splash out silly money to replace players who get injured,  unless it's critical. A loan to replace Carlos would suffice I think for now.

I didn’t mention anything about silly money for a centre back. I just said that they need to do a lot of work and we need to hope that they make us stronger in whatever way they can. They might need to spend a bit on a midfielder though, if there is a worthwhile one that we can get.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2022, 09:54:48 AM
I personally don't think we can expect the club to splash out silly money to replace players who get injured,  unless it's critical. A loan to replace Carlos would suffice I think for now.

I didn’t mention anything about silly money for a centre back. I just said that they need to do a lot of work and we need to hope that they make us stronger in whatever way they can. They might need to spend a bit on a midfielder though, if there is a worthwhile one that we can get.

I'm not saying you did. My post was just a general one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2022, 10:07:04 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 10:08:28 AM
Just keeping abreast of other centre halves being transferred out.
France international centre back Sammi Umtiti being loaned from Barcelona to lecce. I feel Villa could have gone for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 25, 2022, 10:10:52 AM
Listening to a football pod cast and it seems that Gallagher if he leaves Chelsea on loan wants to stay in London
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 25, 2022, 10:11:12 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

Expecting much more from limited players like McGinn and Watkins is only going to lead to disappointment I feel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 25, 2022, 10:11:58 AM
Yep, at this moment in time we’re 1 very promising young French midfielder better than last seasons 14th squad, although they have had bad luck with the CB situation admittedly. I also think the squad is capable of better than 14th, but if the ambition is really as great as we’re led to believe they need to work hard in the final week.

Absolutely agree.

Very unlucky with the injury but it has happened and left us looking like we’ve not improved nearly enough.

If we don’t see a couple of seriously impressive signings I reckon it’s another year of poking around in 14th.

They MUST surely be on the verge of signing a cb though. Otherwise Hause would still be here.

Re Feeney who a few have mentioned. He looks very promising but he’s a kid - just turned 17.

Thing is a kid of 17 will make mistakes and develop and learn whilst on the job and we will say he’s not ready yet
 
but a short term cheap replacement will also make mistakes and look dodgy at times and we will say he’s not good enough


I’d rather go with developing but it’s not an easy choice

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on August 25, 2022, 10:17:05 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

Expecting much more from limited players like McGinn and Watkins is only going to lead to disappointment I feel.

What about Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Ramsey, Digne, Cash, Ings, Martinez? I don't buy the argument that the manager is getting the most out of a group of limited players, he's nowhere near doing that as things stand. This is the strongest squad we've had in a decade and he needs to get them playing better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2022, 10:20:07 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

Expecting much more from limited players like McGinn and Watkins is only going to lead to disappointment I feel.

The owners didn't make McGinn captain and seemingly a permanent fixture in the first XI.

I guess my distaste for the manager clouds my judgement, but I really don't see the point in giving him any more players when he'll inevitably be sacked before the year's out. Save it for the new guy. Unless the new guy is John Terry, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 10:23:23 AM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.
My Chelsea contact said she's up for it if I can travel down.

You've left a hostage to fortune with that statement.

No muff to tough, you dive at five, as they used to say.
How crass.
Seem to attend different gala dinners to I.

Regards latest on Odi he has chosen to go elsewhere.
So no loan from Villa.
My only news was that we were enquiring and interested.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 25, 2022, 10:29:05 AM
Where are the Bednarek rumours coming from? The only youngster that we have called on is Ramsey and that hasn't turned out at all bad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2022, 10:30:09 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

And rightly so, doesn’t look promising seems as though we struggled with the main man, Mick Beale, in the building and he’s buggered off to pastures new.

What I would say is that SG has mentioned upgrades in midfield previously so can’t be happy with what we’ve currently got. Now is that a case of they won’t come or the owners saying enough is enough, time will tell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2022, 10:49:32 AM
What about Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Ramsey, Digne, Cash, Ings, Martinez? I don't buy the argument that the manager is getting the most out of a group of limited players, he's nowhere near doing that as things stand. This is the strongest squad we've had in a decade and he needs to get them playing better.
This is where I'm at - yes, I believe we need another good CMF to give Kamara support, but we need to sweat the considerable assets we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2022, 11:18:30 AM
If we were to spend £60m on a striker I'd be a bit underwhelmed if it was Isak. He'll average 9 league goals a season for Newcastle between now and 2025. They'll ditch him then for their first £100m+ player. Just hope it won't be Cam Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 11:42:35 AM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 25, 2022, 11:57:08 AM
I am more worried about avoiding relegation than missing out on Europe as things stand with the current team and set up.

We have spent money over the last few windows, but some of the players signed simply aren't good enough or their faces don't fit. Lange surely has to be under some sort of pressure?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villa for life on August 25, 2022, 12:00:56 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 25, 2022, 12:01:53 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.

Ha! You're showing your age, Chris.

Fun fact - that wasn't the down with the kids rant about unemployment it sounded; Gene October was complaining about not being able to get an Equity card.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2022, 12:17:30 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.

75m for a player who struggles to trap a ball? I know there's an English premium but come on...
Also, in Gordon's fee there will be a large chunk based on his potential/ceiling. Watkins is a few years older and has less room for growth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 25, 2022, 12:23:27 PM
I heard from my Chelsea contact Callum Hudson-Odoi will be an option to go.
.

I heard from my Chelsea contact Trevoh Chalobah is in talks with Inter over a season long loan.

My Chelsea contacts says We have the right to work.

Ha! You're showing your age, Chris.

Fun fact - that wasn't the down with the kids rant about unemployment it sounded; Gene October was complaining about not being able to get an Equity card.

Didn't know that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 12:50:00 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 25, 2022, 01:46:11 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 25, 2022, 01:48:04 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

He’s an attacking midfielder isn’t he? I know you can’t have too much of a good thing but we struggle or are unwilling to play Buendia and Coutinho in the same team without adding to the mix. Good player by all accounts but not what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:09:27 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

He’s an attacking midfielder isn’t he? I know you can’t have too much of a good thing but we struggle or are unwilling to play Buendia and Coutinho in the same team without adding to the mix. Good player by all accounts but not what we need.
Can play 8 I seen him play deep and higher up.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/articles/cn0g7lz0k01o
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 02:12:08 PM
Not in our side.  We are too weak through the middle already.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:13:46 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 25, 2022, 02:16:22 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

"Hello?"

"Oh hiya, could I interest you in a Lucas Paqueta?"

"No, fuck off"

"Thanks!"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 02:20:06 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

How can anyone actually know that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:21:22 PM
West ham and Newcastle bidding £33 million and £58 million for players today. These are teams that already finished above us in the previous years. This just reinforces the points I was making over the last week. If we are going to compete in the market then we should reevaluate our ambitions and given we publicly said that we should be going for Europe then this announcement should be public also.

Premier league is getting more competitive than Champions league with amount of money and calibre of players being signed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:31:23 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

How can anyone actually know that.
Well it's all reported though I have no idea on Villa having any talks.
Lyon president confirmed bids have been made as well as talks with various Arsenal , Spurs, Man City, Newcastle, West Ham maybe we are the 6th club. As we keep our business quiet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 02:53:33 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
sounds good

I'll raise you 6'4  Caleta-Car
Bailly has now moved to Marseille so the Croatian can leave
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 03:03:59 PM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

Expecting much more from limited players like McGinn and Watkins is only going to lead to disappointment I feel.

The owners didn't make McGinn captain and seemingly a permanent fixture in the first XI.

I guess my distaste for the manager clouds my judgement, but I really don't see the point in giving him any more players when he'll inevitably be sacked before the year's out. Save it for the new guy. Unless the new guy is John Terry, obviously.

Well according to reports Villa will sign three players by September 1st.
I pray to God that these aren't the young players who have promising futures as academy players but rather those whose goes  in first team line up .
Signs look good and 3 in would be fantastic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villa for life on August 25, 2022, 03:07:13 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.

75m for a player who struggles to trap a ball? I know there's an English premium but come on...
Also, in Gordon's fee there will be a large chunk based on his potential/ceiling. Watkins is a few years older and has less room for growth.

Who mentioned 75m?

 65-70m would be about right for an England striker, I reckon, and we should be talking our prices up not down!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 25, 2022, 03:11:21 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
sounds good

I'll raise you 6'4  Caleta-Car
Bailly has now moved to Marseille so the Croatian can leave

I wonder if Marseille is beginning to love us or hate us.

Caleta-Car is a big lad. Puts in a tackle and positions himself well to offset his lack of pace. He does look a bit cumbersome and loves a long ball. If it were to go through, I would like to see us be a bit more direct with Ollie and Leon's ability to fly, and let Coutinho trail the play with his magic wand.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 03:13:16 PM
Abdou Diallo, 26 from PSG linked.... 6'2 CB
sounds good

I'll raise you 6'4  Caleta-Car
Bailly has now moved to Marseille so the Croatian can leave

I wonder if Marseille is beginning to love us or hate us.

Caleta-Car is a big lad. Puts in a tackle and positions himself well to offset his lack of pace. He does look a bit cumbersome and loves a long ball. If it were to go through, I would like to see us be a bit more direct with Ollie and Leon's ability to fly, and let Coutinho trail the play with his magic wand.

Do have the feeling on that one it was more him or Carlos
Villa have scouted him before though so will know the player.
All the signs though seem Bednarek is 1 of the 3 coming in and he's the transfer for the center back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 25, 2022, 03:21:40 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.

75m for a player who struggles to trap a ball? I know there's an English premium but come on...
Also, in Gordon's fee there will be a large chunk based on his potential/ceiling. Watkins is a few years older and has less room for growth.

Who mentioned 75m?

 65-70m would be about right for an England striker, I reckon, and we should be talking our prices up not down!

Sorry, 65m. But 65/70/75 whatever.... the point applies. And he has made the England squad a few times but he's never going to be 4th/5th choice at best.

He's probably got two years left on his deal at Villa now, too. I think we'd do very well to get £45m for Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 25, 2022, 03:23:57 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.

75m for a player who struggles to trap a ball? I know there's an English premium but come on...
Also, in Gordon's fee there will be a large chunk based on his potential/ceiling. Watkins is a few years older and has less room for growth.

Who mentioned 75m?

 65-70m would be about right for an England striker, I reckon, and we should be talking our prices up not down!

Sorry, 65m. But 65/70/75 whatever.... the point applies. And he has made the England squad a few times but he's never going to be 4th/5th choice at best.

He's probably got two years left on his deal at Villa now, too. I think we'd do very well to get £45m for Watkins.

Sold! To the man with the excellent taste in music in Highgate!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on August 25, 2022, 03:32:45 PM
We are being left behind - not just by the top 6 - but now by Newcastle and West Ham. I don’t see us competing with the top 8 at this point.

Depressing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 25, 2022, 03:38:54 PM
We are being left behind - not just by the top 6 - but now by Newcastle and West Ham. I don’t see us competing with the top 8 at this point.

Depressing

West Ham have finished ahead of us the last few seasons, their finances have been greatly assisted by murky at best stadium swap. Newcastle have a rogue nation state bankrolling them like Man City. I know I'm happy with what club I'm following. If that means finishing behind them in the table, so be it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 25, 2022, 03:48:47 PM
It's all very depressing

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 25, 2022, 03:50:00 PM
It's all very depressing

womp womp..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 03:53:31 PM
Could just loan Jack back like Inter have Lukaku and let him get back to being good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: qwerty on August 25, 2022, 04:26:56 PM
What does it say about Villa when a decent central defender like Attila Szalai at £15m prefers to go to Brighton?

It was also rumoured that we were looking for an A-class striker. Now we seem to be back in the bargain basement looking at Brereton-Diaz.
Having seen him play, I would describe him as underwhelming, about on a par with Ings.

I would have Archer ahead of both. He is a genuine goalscorer and quick.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on August 25, 2022, 04:31:20 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

How can anyone actually know that.

The reps have told them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2022, 04:32:04 PM
What does it say about Villa when a decent central defender like Attila Szalai at £15m prefers to go to Brighton?

Says absolutely nothing because we don’t even know that we wanted him?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 25, 2022, 04:49:06 PM
Please don't waste the money on Bednarek unless we bring JWP in as well!
Seriously, better to trust Feeney than a ricket.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villa for life on August 25, 2022, 05:05:51 PM
But then if we sold Watkins we would want 50 or so million, so not sure the fee is that out there.

Surely, we’d want more than 50 million? If Gordon is that, then Watkins would be more like 65/70mill, wouldn’t he?

I think other fans/clubs/pundits really rate him.

75m for a player who struggles to trap a ball? I know there's an English premium but come on...
Also, in Gordon's fee there will be a large chunk based on his potential/ceiling. Watkins is a few years older and has less room for growth.

Who mentioned 75m?

 65-70m would be about right for an England striker, I reckon, and we should be talking our prices up not down!

The thing is players’ valuations fluctuate wildly due to such short term managerial decisions. Some of those Newcastle players were virtually worthless under Bruce but under Howe their value has shot up. Conversely, I don’t think any club would stump up 100m for Jack now because he hasn’t been able to show how good a player he is, and people forget..

Given decent coaching and an upturn in performances, I think Watkins has the potential to be a 65m player. He could easily score 20+ goals a season in another team.

Based on this, I’ve never understood why owners don’t pay coaches as much as players, even the bang average ones.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 25, 2022, 05:14:58 PM
I would like to sell at these prices and buy at mine.I agree with eamon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 25, 2022, 05:43:01 PM
What does it say about Villa when a decent central defender like Attila Szalai at £15m prefers to go to Brighton?

Says absolutely nothing because we don’t even know that we wanted him?



Well exactly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 05:50:25 PM
Apart from a spurious twitter account no one has linked us to him. I suspect though after 2 years at Brighton they will sell him for 55m and be lauded as geniuses. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 25, 2022, 05:52:35 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

How can anyone actually know that.

The reps have told them?

Told who what?  If I was representing a player who available I'd be saying I'm in talks with every big club going to drive the wage up. Doesn't mean it's true.  We have been used time and again to get a player a new contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2022, 05:57:50 PM
West Ham are pushing for Lucas Paquetá . He's someone Lange should be negotiating for.
Class player and would be welcome in midfield here.

I'd imagine he'd be very costly.

When he was linked with Newcastle earlier in the summer Liverpool fans were complaining that he was someone they should be after so he must be pretty decent.

Lucas Paqueta’s reps have held conversations with 6 English clubs during the current window.

How can anyone actually know that.

The reps have told them?

Told who what?  If I was representing a player who available I'd be saying I'm in talks with every big club going to drive the wage up. Doesn't mean it's true.  We have been used time and again to get a player a new contract.

Yeah, but *dons hair-splitting face* you asked how it could be possible for anyone to know that, and Chris has just pointed out a way in which it could be.

That's not the same as saying they have done or haven't, but it's a possibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 25, 2022, 05:58:13 PM
As well as the "Biggest club in the world" quotes and the "Going for Europe" quotes I also remember the "big summer" quotes. Remember when doug promised "Significant funds" only to spend £10 million on baros and hughes. It appears to be all lies and false promises.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2022, 06:18:08 PM
Theres some end of the world shit going on, doomed, we’re all doomed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 25, 2022, 06:50:26 PM
Theres some end of the world shit going on, doomed, we’re all doomed

Can you imagine if the deadline passes and we sign no one else?  Villa twitter/Facebook etc will implode…..can’t lie, in some cases that would amuse me slightly *

* obv I want new players but the ‘we should be all over’ every other signing any other club makes bluster is pointless.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on August 25, 2022, 06:50:43 PM
It's all very depressing
Things may seem bad right now, but could be worse!
Remember how bleak it was under Wheldon for you lot? Phone up Tom for a bronx hat, may cheer you up a bit x
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 25, 2022, 06:58:39 PM
It's all very depressing
Things may seem bad right now, but could be worse!
Remember how bleak it was under Wheldon for you lot? Phone up Tom for a bronx hat, may cheer you up a bit x




They break your heart thar club
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 25, 2022, 07:22:27 PM
It's all very depressing
Things may seem bad right now, but could be worse!
Remember how bleak it was under Wheldon for you lot? Phone up Tom for a bronx hat, may cheer you up a bit x




They break your heart thar club

"Although I do' goo down very often these days, Tom, I'm working a 24/7 shift down the Rover"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2022, 07:29:05 PM
Theres some end of the world shit going on, doomed, we’re all doomed

Can you imagine if the deadline passes and we sign no one else?  Villa twitter/Facebook etc will implode…..can’t lie, in some cases that would amuse me slightly *

* obv I want new players but the ‘we should be all over’ every other signing any other club makes bluster is pointless.

I know, the ‘west ham/brighton/anyone, have signed a player I’ve  never heard of, what are we doing, surely we should be buying that player we’ve never heard of, wheres the ambition!!!  Bluster, Is a bit wearing to be honest.

I too obviously want us to sign one or two really good players I’ve  never heard of, but hey 🙄
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 25, 2022, 07:35:51 PM
Romano stating that we're not done..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 07:38:08 PM
Well isn't the talk 3 more
So who would you're 3 be?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 25, 2022, 07:41:14 PM
Well isn't the talk 3 more
So who would you're 3 be?

Bendarek
Winks
And Delphs without a club

That’ll do
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 07:42:36 PM
Well isn't the talk 3 more
So who would you're 3 be?

Bendarek
Winks
And Delphs without a club

That’ll do
Juve signing Depay from Barca. And PSG Paredes is going there on loan. Both would have great editions here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 25, 2022, 07:43:55 PM
I would think it's one each of a Defender Midfielder Attacker
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 25, 2022, 08:00:20 PM
Ipswich left back Matthew Penney has gone on loan to Motherwell. We should have been all over that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 25, 2022, 08:02:03 PM
we should have went for Coady instead of Bednarek
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2022, 08:05:25 PM
Can't play in a back four.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 25, 2022, 08:15:25 PM
It’s obviously a given, of course, that if we were ‘all over’ any particular transfer scenario, the player would inevitably have signed for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 25, 2022, 08:17:07 PM
Can't play in a back four.

We could always play with a back 5.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2022, 08:22:15 PM
Can't play in a back four.

We could always play with a back 5.

It is really the only sensible thing to do. If its done properly and therapeutically, then there is no danger.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 25, 2022, 09:18:36 PM
Can't play in a back four.

In fairness though, Bednarek can't play
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 25, 2022, 09:20:10 PM
I'm surprised no PL club has took a punt on Paul Onuachu.

A consistent goalscorer with a relatively low market fee. Baffling!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 25, 2022, 09:29:23 PM
Romano stating that we're not done..

But but but......where are all the links???
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 25, 2022, 09:30:20 PM
Striker, 8, centre half. Title charge.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 25, 2022, 10:28:18 PM
Striker, 8, centre half. Title charge.

This is more realistic than your suggestion yesterday that we would beat Man U in a cup game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 25, 2022, 10:37:28 PM
Romano stating that we're not done..

Someone have a link to this?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 25, 2022, 11:33:44 PM
Romano stating that we're not done..

Someone have a link to this?

Gerrard said there are situations happening behind the scenes on tv after the game at Bolton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 25, 2022, 11:36:44 PM
Romano stating that we're not done..

Someone have a link to this?

Mentioned here but not sure what the original source of Romano's comment is. https://thisisfutbol.com/2022/08/blogs/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-fabrizio-romano-transfer-rumours-links-two-more-signings/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 26, 2022, 07:12:57 AM
Romano stating that we're not done..

Someone have a link to this?

Mentioned here but not sure what the original source of Romano's comment is. https://thisisfutbol.com/2022/08/blogs/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-fabrizio-romano-transfer-rumours-links-two-more-signings/
Bednarek and Winks ? 😭
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 26, 2022, 07:16:59 AM
Romano stating that we're not done..

Someone have a link to this?

Mentioned here but not sure what the original source of Romano's comment is. https://thisisfutbol.com/2022/08/blogs/premier-league/aston-villa/aston-villa-fabrizio-romano-transfer-rumours-links-two-more-signings/
Bednarek and Winks ? 😭

Oh no. How utterly uninspiring and bland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 26, 2022, 08:55:57 AM
The owners possibly want the manager to be getting something out of the players they've already shelled out for. Can't say I blame them.

Expecting much more from limited players like McGinn and Watkins is only going to lead to disappointment I feel.

What about Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey, Ramsey, Digne, Cash, Ings, Martinez? I don't buy the argument that the manager is getting the most out of a group of limited players, he's nowhere near doing that as things stand. This is the strongest squad we've had in a decade and he needs to get them playing better.

Sorry to drag this up from a few pages back, but this for me too.  He keeps playing McGinn who is out of sorts and playing really poorly and still sidelines Sanson - surely he should be trying all the resources at his disposal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 26, 2022, 09:01:25 AM
I'd like to see Sanson too, but we don't know the circumstances there. It's telling that two managers have completely ignored him. Maybe he wants to go back to France, or maybe Gerrard has been told he needs to sell some players. We just don't know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 26, 2022, 09:14:42 AM
3 in or im fearing the worse. Given our PPG under SG, unless we get a decent midfield sorted then 1) hes gone pre world cup and 2) were going to be in a relegation battle
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 26, 2022, 10:26:00 AM
I still think our defence is our biggest problem. If we keep conceding goals like the first against Palace, we will never be above mid table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on August 26, 2022, 10:52:04 AM
We talk about needing more players etc., but surely we have a squad that is easily good enough to be finishing mid table and threatening 8 with a good run of form.  We are underachieving with what we have IMO, which is down to coaching.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 26, 2022, 11:05:21 AM
I still think our defence is our biggest problem. If we keep conceding goals like the first against Palace, we will never be above mid table.

IMO this is more about coaching and set up than anything else. In smiths last full season we were joint 6th for goals conceded and we're going backwards quickly in that department, with basically the same players, arguably better options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 26, 2022, 11:12:41 AM
Why Bednarek? we have just sent an adequate defender out on loan who we gave a new contract to just a few months ago, now if the rumours are correct we are looking at a less than adequate defender to replace him. Scratches head.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 26, 2022, 11:25:29 AM
I still think our defence is our biggest problem. If we keep conceding goals like the first against Palace, we will never be above mid table.

Exactly, we're too easy to score against, we're too open to the counter attack & we look nervous at set pieces.
Teams just don't have to work hard to score against us & that's a team problem rather than just blame the central defenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 26, 2022, 11:26:36 AM
Which of these players who have moved in summer do you think you would have liked at Villa to improve the squad.

Defenders:
Nathan Collins
James Tarkowski
Sven Botman
Conor Coady
Thilo Kehrer
Emerson Palmieri

Midfielders:
Palhinha
Marc Roca
Brenden Aaronson
Lewis O'Brien
Jesse Lingard
Morgan Gibbs-White
Joe Aribo
Maxwel Cornet
Dwight McNeil
Christen Eriksen
Cheick Doucoure

Strikers
Emmanuel Dennis
Alexander Isak
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2022, 11:35:20 AM
I still think our defence is our biggest problem. If we keep conceding goals like the first against Palace, we will never be above mid table.

Exactly, we're too easy to score against, we're too open to the counter attack & we look nervous at set pieces.
Teams just don't have to work hard to score against us & that's a team problem rather than just blame the central defenders.

Still think a lot of our problem is trying to get 3 out and out attackers on from kick off…at home we invariably look ok for first 5/10 minutes then struggle more as the game settles….away we seem to be under the pump from kick off.  An extra midfielder so long as they put themselves about would help.  Other problem is only having Mings of any real physical size in the box and no one who is excellent at clearing out the near post defending corners like an Heskey or a Carew were
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on August 26, 2022, 11:35:37 AM
Which of these players who have moved in summer do you think you would have liked at Villa to improve the squad.

Defenders:
Nathan Collins - Yes
James Tarkowski - No
Sven Botman - Maybe
Conor Coady - No
Thilo Kehrer - No
Emerson Palmieri - No

Midfielders:
Palhinha - Not sure
Marc Roca - Maybe
Brenden Aaronson - No
Lewis O'Brien - No
Jesse Lingard - No
Morgan Gibbs-White - No
Joe Aribo - No
Maxwel Cornet - No
Dwight McNeil- No
Christen Eriksen - Yes (but probably not once we'd signed Phil)
Cheick Doucoure - Yes

Strikers
Emmanuel Dennis - No
Alexander Isak - Yes (but maybe not for £60m)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 26, 2022, 11:36:47 AM
Some of them definitely would but wouldn’t have been targets that we would have managed to bring in (Botman, Eriksen).
Some would have added to the squad nicely (MGW?)
Some wouldn’t have made much difference. (Tarkowski)

Ultimately it makes no difference whilst we have an incompetent set up at managerial level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2022, 11:44:30 AM
Which of these players who have moved in summer do you think you would have liked at Villa to improve the squad.

Defenders:
Nathan Collins - Yes
James Tarkowski - No
Sven Botman - Maybe
Conor Coady - No
Thilo Kehrer - No
Emerson Palmieri - No

Midfielders:
Palhinha - Not sure
Marc Roca - Maybe
Brenden Aaronson - No
Lewis O'Brien - No
Jesse Lingard - No
Morgan Gibbs-White - No
Joe Aribo - No
Maxwel Cornet - No
Dwight McNeil- No
Christen Eriksen - Yes (but probably not once we'd signed Phil)
Cheick Doucoure - Yes

Strikers
Emmanuel Dennis - No
Alexander Isak - Yes (but maybe not for £60m)


Imagine the meltdown if we had signed a centre back who went to sleep like Collins did for Wolves vs Spurs…he would have been immediately written off as crap / waste of money.  I actually think he’s a decent player but not sure he would be an immediate starter…..which is what we now need.
Agree Doucore & Isak
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 26, 2022, 11:58:18 AM
I still think our defence is our biggest problem. If we keep conceding goals like the first against Palace, we will never be above mid table.

Defending starts from the front though. Konsa and Mings do deserve some criticism for their performances at Palace but they were sold out by the non existent support from midfield, Kamara particularly, both full backs and a goalkeeper unwilling to leave his box. It's the team setup without the ball that stinks for me.

Take the goals v Palace, they were somewhat surreal to concede at this level. Cash done by Zaha near the half way line, where is Kamara on the cover? Konsa to be fair does well to chase him down (strangely doesn't try blocking his shot, mind) but no midfield cover. Third goal, again Konsa is dragged out to help Cash, where is Kamara? Mings gets done one one one in box as Martinez hides on his line. Two other chances for Palace that I can remember came from McGinn and Ramsey not tracking runners from midfield.

Bolton's goal. Kamara again rubbish, Luiz jumps into help and promptly tries to buy a foul. Chambers sells himself fair enough but two midfielders should have easily dealt with that situation. Everton goal, again a midfielder is able to get one on one with one of our CBs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 26, 2022, 12:10:11 PM
I agree, it seems to be the structure of the team.

Mings, Chambers, Konsa, Digne, and Cash aren't bad players, it's the system that offers limited protection and structured defence.

The first thing most new managers do is make their teams hard to beat and score against. We've regressed under Gerrard and until he fixes this it makes things difficult.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2022, 12:26:23 PM
I hope Kamara has the brains to go with his talent. All that fouling he did at Bolton has me worried a bit about his abilities off the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 26, 2022, 12:27:31 PM
When your midfield just can't keep hold of the ball, like was the case against Palace, you could have Milan's defence from the 90's and you would still concede goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2022, 01:34:36 PM
Unless by some miracle we pull two significant signings out of the hat I am legitimately concerned that we will be complete left behind this transfer window. Kamara is great, and the rest area reserves after you discount Diego who’s out. With the news Lucas Paqueta is likely going to West Ham, and the clear evidence that our current starters need an upgrade in all three areas, we will struggle to finish top half this season if things remain as they are.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2022, 02:37:10 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 26, 2022, 02:38:58 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.

That’s encouraging. If we don’t bring a couple of quality players in we’ve really fucked up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 26, 2022, 02:39:05 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.
Yikes.A frisson perhaps?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 26, 2022, 03:05:30 PM
We was close to Sar until Gerrard asked if he’d rather not play on the wing and preferred the bench next to Bailey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 26, 2022, 03:07:24 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.

If we were close, I doubt he'd say it anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 26, 2022, 03:07:36 PM
Cheick Doucoure & Coady
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 26, 2022, 03:14:18 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.

He’s getting closer to something alright.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 26, 2022, 03:16:42 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.

If we were close, I doubt he'd say it anyway.

If we exit this window without strengthening in key areas, I think we'll struggle to get anywhere near the top 8 - I'd say that'd be about par in terms of momentum on our 'journey' back to the top table at this stage. 

I just cannot see it clicking without a change in personnel. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 26, 2022, 03:28:15 PM
We was close to Sar until Gerrard asked if he’d rather not play on the wing and preferred the bench next to Bailey.

Gerrard is the African Sarr Reverser.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2022, 03:33:58 PM
At this moment I’m completely deflated as a Villa fan. Now that might change and I’ll reserve the right to be fickle, but as it stands it’s been an overall shit transfer window. One that started off absolutely superbly. Couple that with our league performances and results, there is no way at all without a couple more proper players we are getting close to the top half much less Europe.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 26, 2022, 03:37:18 PM
At this moment I’m completely deflated as a Villa fan. Now that might change and I’ll reserve the right to be fickle, but as it stands it’s been an overall shit transfer window. One that started off absolutely superbly. Couple that with our league performances and results, there is no way at all without a couple more proper players we are getting close to the top half much less Europe.
we're just not very good at anything in particular. I mean, we can't even get the right amount of available refreshments at a game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 26, 2022, 03:50:28 PM
I know it hasn't happened yet, but if Bednarek (or similar) arrives in the next few days after we let Hause go when he was recently given a new contract and the deal with Watford does not include them being obliged to buy him (perhaps subject to certain targets) then that is the sort of squad mismanagement that we endured with Bruce.

Quite apart from the probable waste of money (Southampton and Bednarek know we are light on CDs) with no prospect of improving the matchday squad, it will have distracted the recruitment and coaching staff from doing something useful.

Terrible if it happens. UTV.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 26, 2022, 03:50:58 PM
We was close to Sar until Gerrard asked if he’d rather not play on the wing and preferred the bench next to Bailey.

Gerrard is the African Sarr Reverser.

Take a bow sir
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 26, 2022, 03:51:32 PM
At this moment I’m completely deflated as a Villa fan. Now that might change and I’ll reserve the right to be fickle, but as it stands it’s been an overall shit transfer window. One that started off absolutely superbly. Couple that with our league performances and results, there is no way at all without a couple more proper players we are getting close to the top half much less Europe.

Feel exactly the same

Gerrrads bombed out Nakamba, Chuk and Sanson who he all used last season. Our midfield is appalling. We currently have McGinn, Luiz and JJ. Simply miles off

If the club don’t recruit at least 2 top players then this season is going to be a struggle. Our rivals have got massively better and we’re going backwards. Gerrards PPG record in 2022 could in just over a weeks time easily be well under 1 p game.

I feel Gerrards job is now totally dependent on the transfer window. He won’t see the international break if we do nothing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2022, 03:57:56 PM
I hope Gerrard is closer than he's letting on with only 6 days of the window left.  It surely can't be difficult to locate players across thew world who are better than JJ, Luiz and Mcginn?  We are not a good side and I am really struggling to see three teams worse than us at the moment.  A win against West Ham will no doubts put paid to my fickle shite but I really hope we have a couple of aces up our sleeve!   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2022, 03:59:48 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 26, 2022, 04:14:14 PM
Last summer we were told to expect big things, started well bringing in Buendia but we ended up selling our best player and 'replacing' him with some seriously disjointed acquisitions (in the case of Ings, I refuse to believe that wasn't a complete panic buy). Derisory bids for JWP and ESR, no midfield strengthening.

This summer we were again told to expect big things, started well bringing in Kamara (and Coutinho made permanent) but since then we've sold our best youth prospect and created a bomb squad that leaves us even lighter in midfield.

When we fell apart last season and the likes of Newcastle bolted past us, was a decision made to accept mid-table and 'give up' chasing Europe? Were we mistakenly expecting big bids for Traore/El Ghazi/Sanson... that didn't materialise, wiping out our expected transfer funds? Something doesn't seem right to me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 26, 2022, 04:17:28 PM
Ings didn't strike me as a panic buy rather that we speeded said deal up. I think it was received positively at the time and still believe he has something to offer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 26, 2022, 04:29:02 PM
Tielemans and Caleta-Car in please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 26, 2022, 04:34:08 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.

He’s getting closer to something alright.

A 60% win ratio this season?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 26, 2022, 04:34:19 PM
Tielemans and Caleta-Car in please.

As they say in Yorkshire, "That'll do."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 26, 2022, 04:44:17 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 26, 2022, 04:51:05 PM
Striker Maupay off to Everton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2022, 04:58:00 PM
Striker Maupay off to Everton.
& they are welcome to him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 26, 2022, 05:01:47 PM
Close to a deal for Bednarek apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 26, 2022, 05:07:04 PM
Fucking hell. Why not just keep Hause?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2022, 05:07:48 PM
Ings didn't strike me as a panic buy rather that we speeded said deal up. I think it was received positively at the time and still believe he has something to offer.

Agreed on all points. You only have to look at the first few pages here (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=62282.0) to see how his signing was received.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 26, 2022, 05:08:13 PM
Close to a deal for Bednarek apparently

Stop it!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 26, 2022, 05:26:47 PM
Whelmed



























Me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 26, 2022, 05:28:02 PM
Tielemans and Caleta-Car in please.

Why would Tielemans come to Villa at this time. Serious question?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 26, 2022, 05:37:55 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.



Because the quality ones expect investment, something we don't provide. You really think Conte would be at spurs we're it not for the ability to move in the market. "We're going to wait for the right player to become available" just an excuse not to spend anything. Clubs above us are getting stuff done which is exactly why they are clubs above us. The second summer in a row so it's clear their intentions which are just to talk a good game. We wait for the right player ever other summer and in the same window our best players go because we're twiddling our thumbs. I can accept being mid table, not winning anything, I'm a villa fan I've been used to it all my life and I can even take the laughing us the constant 2-0 up losing 2-3 joke that happens regularly but I can't accept being lied to and that's how I feel. I would still have coughed up the dollar for my ST but I see straight through these three.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 26, 2022, 05:39:49 PM
Purslow is the sweetest charmer out of all of them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 26, 2022, 05:42:12 PM
I have no real issue with a proven PL CB to partner Mings while we wait on Diego as a solid squad player. But only if it means we have £80m set aside for a couple of superb additions in the next few days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 26, 2022, 05:46:07 PM
Ings didn't strike me as a panic buy rather that we speeded said deal up. I think it was received positively at the time and still believe he has something to offer.

Agreed on all points. You only have to look at the first few pages here (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=62282.0) to see how his signing was received.

Sure, mine wasn’t really a comment on Ings as a player more our lack of joined up thinking in the transfer windows. We signed two wingers, when we already had three or four available, then set our stall out to play Ings and Watkins with either a diamond or 532. Priority back then was an upgrade in centre mid, as it still is now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2022, 05:53:52 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.
Because the quality ones expect investment, something we don't provide. You really think Conte would be at spurs we're it not for the ability to move in the market. "We're going to wait for the right player to become available" just an excuse not to spend anything. Clubs above us are getting stuff done which is exactly why they are clubs above us. The second summer in a row so it's clear their intentions which are just to talk a good game. We wait for the right player ever other summer and in the same window our best players go because we're twiddling our thumbs. I can accept being mid table, not winning anything, I'm a villa fan I've been used to it all my life and I can even take the laughing us the constant 2-0 up losing 2-3 joke that happens regularly but I can't accept being lied to and that's how I feel. I would still have coughed up the dollar for my ST but I see straight through these three.

Maguire: Bought for £7m - sold for £79m
Mahrez: Bought for £500k - sold for £61m
Kante: Bought for £8m - sold for £33m
Chillwell: Homegrown - sold for £45m
Drinkwater: Bought for £800k - sold for £34m

..and they will get huge fees for Fofana and Tielemans (coming to villa, lol).

We can't even sell our players let alone identify the talented ones.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 26, 2022, 06:00:45 PM
All that and they are skint!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2022, 06:18:21 PM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 26, 2022, 06:26:04 PM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..

Finally signing a player with intelligence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 26, 2022, 06:27:37 PM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..

Brilliant news if true.....Is he any good?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2022, 06:28:46 PM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..

Finally signing a player with intelligence.

I hope Leicester don't use the funds generated by Fofana to poach him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 26, 2022, 07:41:55 PM
Ings didn't strike me as a panic buy rather that we speeded said deal up. I think it was received positively at the time and still believe he has something to offer.

Did someone say that we asked for JWP but were offered Ings?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 26, 2022, 07:56:08 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.
Because the quality ones expect investment, something we don't provide.
With all due respect that is nonsense. You can questions other things regarding the club but you can't say we don't provide investment.

Since we were promoted. We've broken our transfer record 4 times and have only been out-spent by the 'Super League' clubs.

Transfer fee's
1) Chelsea £550m
2) Man Utd £541m
3) Man City £527m
4) Arsenal £491m
5) Spurs £427m
6) Villa £401m

Even taking into account the £100m we pocketed for Grealish, our net spend is still the 5th highest

1) Man Utd -£412m
2) Arsenal -£376m
3) Newcastle -£308m
4) Spurs -£291m
5) Villa -£246m

Added to that we've committed God knows how much more millions for the stadium development. Since NSWE came in I dont think we csn be accused of lack of Investment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 26, 2022, 08:34:19 PM
Sunday 2pm West Ham
Wednesday 730pm Arsenal
Thursday 11pm Transfer Window closes.

Thats a busy schedule with team prep and selection briefings and all the match day stuff going on for Gerrard then we'll have in the background Lange working on recruitment.

Had this last weekend whilst at Palace deals being made for Sarr with Gerrard focusing on the football matters.

Its interesting that it has to be a collective agreement for a signing to be made.

But this is down to Lange to come up with something
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 26, 2022, 08:35:31 PM
Sunday 2pm West Ham
Wednesday 730pm Arsenal
Thursday 11pm Transfer Window closes.

Thats a busy schedule with team prep and selection going on for Gerrard we'll have in the background have Lange working on recruitment.
Had this last weekend whilst at Palace deals being made for Sarr with Gerrard focusing on the football matters.

Its interesting that it has to be a collective agreement for a signing to be made.
Yeah - last weekend went like a dream
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 26, 2022, 08:36:29 PM
We'll be offered and after all sorts between now and the window closes.
So let's see what happens.
Outside of the Bednarek loan!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 26, 2022, 08:43:26 PM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.
Because the quality ones expect investment, something we don't provide.
With all due respect that is nonsense. You can questions other things regarding the club but you can't say we don't provide investment.

Since we were promoted. We've broken our transfer record 4 times and have only been out-spent by the 'Super League' clubs.

Transfer fee's
1) Chelsea £550m
2) Man Utd £541m
3) Man City £527m
4) Arsenal £491m
5) Spurs £427m
6) Villa £401m

Even taking into account the £100m we pocketed for Grealish, our net spend is still the 5th highest

1) Man Utd -£412m
2) Arsenal -£376m
3) Newcastle -£308m
4) Spurs -£291m
5) Villa -£246m

Added to that we've committed God knows how much more millions for the stadium development. Since NSWE came in I dont think we csn be accused of lack of Investment.

Spot on! For me the false narrative of the summer….we spent this summer, we probably will again if can get the RIGHT players…we’ve no doubt invested huge salaries in January and the summer yet the accusation is lack of investment….not for me!


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 26, 2022, 08:55:40 PM
We'll be offered and after all sorts between now and the window closes.
So let's see what happens.
Outside of the Bednarek loan!

Is it just a loan move for Bednarek? Honestly, I don't want anything to do with him but if its a rental then I couldn't care less.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 26, 2022, 09:50:41 PM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..

Brilliant news if true.....Is he any good?
If he is, we’ll soon thrash that out of him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 26, 2022, 11:33:51 PM
Close to a deal for Bednarek apparently

Donkey. The player, not you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2022, 12:31:13 AM
So.. He's slow, can't turn, and shouldn't be trusted to play out from the back.

There are better players that will move in the next few days. I'm starting to seriously doubt the way we are now procuring players, the whole strategy has become very Martin O'Neil.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 27, 2022, 12:43:43 AM
Can we just, for once, pull a Leicester and get a quality player in that can be sold for a profit in 3 years?

I'm not asking for a club legend, I just need an above-average footballer. Why do we make it so hard.

Because we employ average to shit managers and have done so for a long time.
Because the quality ones expect investment, something we don't provide.
With all due respect that is nonsense. You can questions other things regarding the club but you can't say we don't provide investment.

Since we were promoted. We've broken our transfer record 4 times and have only been out-spent by the 'Super League' clubs.

Transfer fee's
1) Chelsea £550m
2) Man Utd £541m
3) Man City £527m
4) Arsenal £491m
5) Spurs £427m
6) Villa £401m

Even taking into account the £100m we pocketed for Grealish, our net spend is still the 5th highest

1) Man Utd -£412m
2) Arsenal -£376m
3) Newcastle -£308m
4) Spurs -£291m
5) Villa -£246m

Added to that we've committed God knows how much more millions for the stadium development. Since NSWE came in I dont think we csn be accused of lack of Investment.




I would counter that with that not many of them clubs and certainly not ones mentioned required an entire new squad which we did when we got promoted. I understand that still money spent, which is fair enough but again in order to remain a Premier league club they needed to spend the money and if after that day we stayed up v west ham, we as a Premier league club went on the market they would have got their money back so its not a gift. My issue isn't with what they have or haven't done to keep us up, its measured against their targets as I've mentioned before, so taking away that first year of squad building to just make us competitive in the league, the net spend isn't that large.

I also have to take issue with the stadium point as if anything this has saved them money. Unlike spurs, arsenal and Everton that needed to spend big on building new stadium, the cost to ours will be a fraction I think.


I'm intrigued by the figure, have you got a link at all?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2022, 06:29:09 AM
We really are going to replace Carlos with Bednarek. It's as spectacular a shift in philosophy as Martinez to Mcleish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 27, 2022, 07:26:54 AM
We really are going to replace Carlos with Bednarek. It's as spectacular a shift in philosophy as Martinez to Mcleish.
Hause is a better option than Badnarek who is shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 27, 2022, 08:39:00 AM
Leicester have lost Farafana similar although not exactly to how we've lost Carlos. It will be interesting to see if they come out with the "it's late on the window", "we have to wait for the right player", or just grab a loan who is a 3rd choice option from a rival or if they go out and make it happen.

I do find it interesting with the carlos replacement when I hear that it's late in the window when it happened with about 3 weeks of it left.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2022, 08:58:49 AM
Close to a deal for Bednarek apparently
Get out of here!!
That will cause me great hair loss, if it happens.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 27, 2022, 09:04:33 AM
"We're going to wait for the right player to become available" just an excuse not to spend anything.
I think you're wrong - I have no problem not blowing £££ against the wall for average players, and the current Izak and Antony deals show just how much decent strikers are, for example.
We should get the 'right' people in, be prepared to wait and then pay top dollar when we can negotiate their availability.
In the meantime, and far more relevant, is this coaching team getting a tune out of the players they have at their disposal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on August 27, 2022, 09:05:31 AM
L'Equipe story reporting PSG's Diallo turned down AC Milan to facilitate a move to Villa..

Brilliant news if true.....Is he any good?

He was very good at Dortmund but dont think he’s played at all regularly in the last couple of years
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 27, 2022, 09:14:52 AM
We'll be offered and after all sorts between now and the window closes.
So let's see what happens.
Outside of the Bednarek loan!

Is it just a loan move for Bednarek? Honestly, I don't want anything to do with him but if its a rental then I couldn't care less.

Well as heard that yes an initial loan and other sources are now confirming that too. Lange with his friends at Southampton.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2022, 09:18:52 AM
Be interesting if one of our central defenders gets injured tomorrow.......then down to a choice of two. I still can't fathom the timing of Hause going out on loan having lost Diego Carlos for most of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 27, 2022, 09:35:24 AM
Be interesting if one of our central defenders gets injured tomorrow.......then down to a choice of two. I still can't fathom the timing of Hause going out on loan having lost Diego Carlos for most of the season.

One gets injured tomorrow then guess they will scramble around to add another before Thursday 😂
Agree though - some the decision making this summer has been piss poor
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2022, 09:37:28 AM
Be interesting if one of our central defenders gets injured tomorrow.......then down to a choice of two. I still can't fathom the timing of Hause going out on loan having lost Diego Carlos for most of the season.

One gets injured tomorrow then guess they will scramble around to add another before Thursday 😂
Agree though - some the decision making this summer has been piss poor

And last summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2022, 11:13:38 AM
Be interesting if one of our central defenders gets injured tomorrow.......then down to a choice of two. I still can't fathom the timing of Hause going out on loan having lost Diego Carlos for most of the season.

One gets injured tomorrow then guess they will scramble around to add another before Thursday 😂
Agree though - some the decision making this summer has been piss poor

And last summer.

I suppose we all remember Bruce getting rid of his defenders in the 2018 summer transfer window! Most sensible clubs have a replacement incoming first. I remember when we signed Ollie Watkins, Brentford wouldn't let him go until the Toney transfer had gone through first.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 27, 2022, 11:39:21 AM
Bednarek on bench for Southampton now, so maybe not as close as people think?

Fingers crossed we sign the lad from PSG?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 27, 2022, 11:51:29 AM
Gerard said nothing was close in his press conference yesterday
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 27, 2022, 01:54:51 PM
Transfer windows for us seem to be following a pattern. Sign a player early on then get linked with some well known players who may improve us. They then all disappear. We then are on the verge of signing someone but eventually that falls through. We then find we’re scrabbling to sign someone in the last 7 days of the window and eventually end up signing no one or a Bednerak type player who is not going to improve us all and who’s resale value is going to be zilch. Frustrating or what after we keep being told how we’re going to smash the next transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 27, 2022, 02:06:03 PM
We really are going to replace Carlos with Bednarek. It's as spectacular a shift in philosophy as Martinez to Mcleish.
Hause is a better option than Badnarek who is shit.

He really isn’t though is he….Hause is ok when coming on as a sub or making odd one off starts…if he had to play 10 on the trot in a back 4 he’d be as bad as you claim Bednarek is…except Hause never seems to be fit for any real spell.

Bednarek isn’t Van Dijk but he is an ok PL defender…yes, ideally we’d want better but a club without European football wanting a stop gap defender isn’t that attractive
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 27, 2022, 02:14:20 PM
Gerard said nothing was close in his press conference yesterday

When it comes to transfers there is absolutely no point in taking a managers word to mean anything. They don't gain anything from it, they can't win either way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 27, 2022, 02:25:21 PM
Gerard said nothing was close in his press conference yesterday

When it comes to transfers there is absolutely no point in taking a managers word to mean anything. They don't gain anything from it, they can't win either way.

Yep, those press conferences should go in the same bin as the VAR monitors, prematch lineups/handshakes across halfway line….utterly pointless things that add nothing to the game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2022, 04:01:16 PM
We really are going to replace Carlos with Bednarek. It's as spectacular a shift in philosophy as Martinez to Mcleish.
Hause is a better option than Badnarek who is shit.

He really isn’t though is he….Hause is ok when coming on as a sub or making odd one off starts…if he had to play 10 on the trot in a back 4 he’d be as bad as you claim Bednarek is…except Hause never seems to be fit for any real spell.

Bednarek isn’t Van Dijk but he is an ok PL defender…yes, ideally we’d want better but a club without European football wanting a stop gap defender isn’t that attractive

Especially when it looks like we might struggle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 27, 2022, 04:08:38 PM
Gerard said nothing was close in his press conference yesterday

When it comes to transfers there is absolutely no point in taking a managers word to mean anything. They don't gain anything from it, they can't win either way.

Yep, those press conferences should go in the same bin as the VAR monitors, prematch lineups/handshakes across halfway line….utterly pointless things that add nothing to the game.

..with Gregg Evans and Romano both reporting we’re close to signing badarek.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 27, 2022, 06:07:16 PM
Is it true that the PSG centre-half (Diallo?) has actually said that he wants to join Villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 27, 2022, 06:08:59 PM
Is it true that the PSG centre-half (Diallo?) has actually said that he wants to join Villa?
he clearly hasn't watched us this season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on August 27, 2022, 06:16:47 PM
Is it true that the PSG centre-half (Diallo?) has actually said that he wants to join Villa?
he clearly hasn't watched us this season
Maybe he has and wants to save us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 27, 2022, 06:17:08 PM
Well I haven’t seen a credible source that suggests there’s anything to this Diallo stuff. In any case we really get a move on and do something positive, not only because we need more quality but also we need to shift this general feeling of negativity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 27, 2022, 06:17:54 PM
Is it true that the PSG centre-half (Diallo?) has actually said that he wants to join Villa?
he clearly hasn't watched us this season
Maybe he has and wants to save us
a hero in the making...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on August 27, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
Worst window ever.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 27, 2022, 06:25:53 PM
Not sure if it’s been mentioned but Bednarek played in both their 9-0 defeats. If he’s purely being signed as emergency backup I’d rather just let Feeney do that, at least he’s an investment in our future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 27, 2022, 06:25:55 PM
Still time…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 27, 2022, 06:29:01 PM
I'd be alright with us signing Bednarek on a loan-to-buy arrangement. Seems fairly low risk, and definitely an upgrade on Hause. Despite the misgivings, he's played regularly in the Premier League for the past 3 seasons - Hause hasn't had a run lasting 3 months in the Premier League. If, as suggested, the players we had identified have all become unavailable since Carlos was signed, it seems a decent bit of business.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2022, 06:30:39 PM
Worst window ever.

What, worse than this one? https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/stained-glass-resistance-portrait-of-hitler-discovered-in-french-church-window-a-740138.html
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 27, 2022, 06:36:37 PM
I just assumed someone would point out the year we made a deadline day signing and it turned out to be Simon Dawkins
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2022, 06:38:34 PM
Or the summer we got Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and some other donkey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 27, 2022, 06:45:02 PM
I just assumed someone would point out the year we made a deadline day signing and it turned out to be Simon Dawkins

There is a name I'd completely forgotten
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2022, 06:45:48 PM
Or the summer we got Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and some other donkey.
Aly Cissokho?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on August 27, 2022, 06:46:47 PM
Or the summer we got Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and some other donkey.

I put money on us to go down that season. We didn't. Thought our business in summer 2015 was far more positive. Shows what I know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 27, 2022, 06:50:44 PM
Or the summer we got Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and some other donkey.
Aly Cissokho?

Kieron Richardson
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2022, 06:55:43 PM
It feels worse because of the hyped expectation and talk going in. Even the local press were reporting a £150m budget. We started well and then appeared to simply give up. And now are buying Bednarek.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 27, 2022, 06:58:21 PM
We were about to spend 30m on Sarr last week, so there is obviously still money there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 27, 2022, 07:03:11 PM
We ended last season awfully and started this season awful and have only got points against very poor teams

I can’t believe this is how SG expected to play out - as he’s main success at rangers was based on being new players in and we still have much of the same spine as we did 2 years ago, and have other players that have done a job for us now in a bomb squad with no interest in them and a number of expensive signings seemingly incompatible in the same team

I think we have made a right royal mess of it since Grealish went and I’m
Just holding on to the hope that either Gerrard and Critchley click and find a way of making it work or we replace him with someone who knows what there doing otherwise we’ll be spending the season looking over our shoulder and what seem achievable like being competitive with clubs like Spurs and Arsenal now seems completely unrealistic

Really disappointing how yet again we seem to be about to get our shit together only to mess it up
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 27, 2022, 07:03:56 PM
There's money there but the prices are nuts. Perhaps we're the only ones left in the market who have some sort of sense, not being prepared to pay £50/60m for decent but not amazing signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on August 27, 2022, 07:04:36 PM
Or the summer we got Joe Cole, Philippe Senderos and some other donkey.
Aly Cissokho?

Kieron Richardson
Shudders. I'd blocked that from my memory.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on August 27, 2022, 07:05:21 PM
Grant Holt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 27, 2022, 07:09:54 PM
Grant Holt.

He was a real man though. Not one of those fake ones you see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 27, 2022, 07:11:26 PM
Worst window ever.

Not even close…..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 27, 2022, 07:24:10 PM
Kieron Richardson

Shudders. I'd blocked that from my memory.

Same here, couldn't even spell Ciarán correctly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rougegorge on August 27, 2022, 07:29:53 PM
Worst window ever.

Not even close…..
It's certainly not been great, especially after lots of optimism and praise on here about getting early business done.

I know Diego Carlos's injury has scuppered some thinking, but it's been very underwhelming and we seem happy to let a lot of players go without strengthening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on August 27, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
The squad ain't the issue. Just hope after tomorrow he proves me wrong and starts to show signs of improvement on the pitch or at least a plan.
 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2022, 07:45:07 PM
Grant Holt.

He was a real man though. Not one of those fake ones you see.

He went to Wigan for the pies and not the northern soul.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 27, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
Worst window ever.

How short the memories are!
You don’t even have to go that far back. January 2020, Samatta, that Spanish 3rd division bloke who played about 15 minutes against spurs and Danny bloody Drinkwater.
I rest my case m’lord.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 27, 2022, 08:46:11 PM
Rumours that Villa are looking to take Ballon Dawson off of West Ham (yes I know, it’s The Sun). You’d do far worse than him, he’s been immense for us, but is probably 5th choice at CB right now.

https://twitter.com/SunWestHam/status/1563599991574523904?s=20&t=7NV9u0pvZyzSKsWP_Xnk-w
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 27, 2022, 08:48:44 PM
Would he move to be 4th choice? Guess it's one place up!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2022, 08:58:27 PM
Rumours that Villa are looking to take Ballon Dawson off of West Ham (yes I know, it’s The Sun). You’d do far worse than him, he’s been immense for us, but is probably 5th choice at CB right now.

https://twitter.com/SunWestHam/status/1563599991574523904?s=20&t=7NV9u0pvZyzSKsWP_Xnk-w

That would be a very good signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2022, 09:05:21 PM
Fifth choice centre half from West Ham would be a very good signing? Be still my beating heart.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2022, 09:13:34 PM
I didn’t even realise he wasn’t being used by them. I thought he was still heart if their defence last season. Shows what I know outside the world of B6.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: johnny from donny on August 27, 2022, 09:14:07 PM
From Craig Dawson
https://mobile.twitter.com/craigdawson15_/status/1563611915246764034

OK,  just had a closer look and it's a parody account.
It was at the top of the page when I googled him to see how old he is, sorry 😞
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 27, 2022, 09:18:28 PM
From btw
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2022, 09:21:57 PM
Dawson is one of those defenders that I instantly think is decent because he scores a fair amount of goals but tbh I have no idea how his defending actually us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 27, 2022, 09:24:01 PM
What is Villa's net spend in this window? You have to keep investing heavily in this League to progress. It appears more of a cost cutting exercise so far.  Very underwhelming. 3 centre backs only says it all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 27, 2022, 09:27:41 PM
Dawson is one of those defenders that I instantly think is decent because he scores a fair amount of goals but tbh I have no idea how his defending actually us.

Hard working, rock solid, great in the air. One of those defenders that is brilliant with his back to goal but suspect when facing his own goal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 27, 2022, 09:32:43 PM
Thanks Sendo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2022, 09:42:51 PM
But it looks like the bloke himself has kiboshed it with that Wolf of Wall Street tweet so we move on...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 27, 2022, 09:47:38 PM
But it looks like the bloke himself has kiboshed it with that Wolf of Wall Street tweet so we move on...

I'm quietly confident that isn't his twitter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 27, 2022, 10:00:35 PM
But it looks like the bloke himself has kiboshed it with that Wolf of Wall Street tweet so we move on...
Thats a parody account.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 27, 2022, 10:00:40 PM
From what I know and given Sendo’s description he’s a no nonsense player, not spectacular and not a glamour signing but goes about his job quietly and confidently. I wouldn’t imagine he’d command a massive fee so it would be a decent signing in my book.
A partnership of Dawson and Mings would be decent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sendô WHU on August 27, 2022, 10:29:49 PM
From what I know and given Sendo’s description he’s a no nonsense player, not spectacular and not a glamour signing but goes about his job quietly and confidently. I wouldn’t imagine he’d command a massive fee so it would be a decent signing in my book.
A partnership of Dawson and Mings would be decent.
Yeah you arent gonna win the league with him at the back, but if youre sitting deep defending hard against a Liverpool, City et al he’s ideal.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 27, 2022, 10:39:33 PM
But it looks like the bloke himself has kiboshed it with that Wolf of Wall Street tweet so we move on...

I'm quietly confident that isn't his twitter.

Yes! I'd honestly be delighted with this signing. He's been great for West Ham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2022, 10:40:45 PM
Well he sounds a lot better than Bednarek anyway. He'll do. Go get me some wingers and a £100 million centre-forward now, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2022, 11:00:07 PM
Dawson is a decent player who reads the game well.  He never lets anyone down and is tidy enough.  He should be coming as a back up and is absolutely fine for that role.  Trustworthy enough.  I am hopefully for slightly more exciting news though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 27, 2022, 11:02:27 PM
Well he sounds a lot better than Bednarek anyway. He'll do. Go get me some wingers and a £100 million centre-forward now, please.
Wingers? What for, I'm not sure Gerrard is a fan of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2022, 11:10:00 PM
Yeah but I am.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 27, 2022, 11:11:16 PM
That additional midfielder is the one we really need to sign.  Some additional presence alongside Kamara.  Desperate for that person to come in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 27, 2022, 11:27:37 PM
Wouldn't mind signing a psychopath if we are playing two defensive midfielders. If we are after another midfielder further forward, I think we have more than enough of them and should make the best out of what we have. Desperately need at least one winger and a centre-forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 27, 2022, 11:40:12 PM
Dawson is a bit Colin Calderwood esque, but will do a job better than Bednarek would for less money I would guess.

The real issue is midfield and now attack as most of our options have been loaned out.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 12:35:47 AM
From what I know and given Sendo’s description he’s a no nonsense player, not spectacular and not a glamour signing but goes about his job quietly and confidently. I wouldn’t imagine he’d command a massive fee so it would be a decent signing in my book.
A partnership of Dawson and Mings would be decent.
Yeah you arent gonna win the league with him at the back, but if youre sitting deep defending hard against a Liverpool, City et al he’s ideal.

Cheers for the info sendo. I do remember hearing some pundits on a podcast talk about how well he had done at West Ham considering where he came from. Short term back up is hard to get bothered by eitherway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 12:46:37 AM
Colin Calderwood, ha, nice shout. I think he's better than him and Carl Tiler for that matter.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on August 28, 2022, 12:47:02 AM
Thanks Sendo!!!

Now kindly take your "5th choice", 50 appearances last season, plodding centre half and stick him you know where.

Catastrophic signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 12:49:17 AM
Thanks Sendo!!!

Now kindly take your "5th choice", 50 appearances last season, plodding centre half and stick him you know where.

Catastrophic signing.

'Catastrophic' is a bit steep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 12:51:21 AM
Dawson has more centre back wisdom than Mings and Konsa may probably ever possess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on August 28, 2022, 12:54:05 AM
Thanks Sendo!!!

Now kindly take your "5th choice", 50 appearances last season, plodding centre half and stick him you know where.

Catastrophic signing.

'Catastrophic' is a bit steep.

Purrfect description imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 12:56:59 AM
Thanks Sendo!!!

Now kindly take your "5th choice", 50 appearances last season, plodding centre half and stick him you know where.

Catastrophic signing.

'Catastrophic' is a bit steep.

Purrfect description imo.

That's Zouma.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on August 28, 2022, 12:59:07 AM
No shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on August 28, 2022, 01:08:19 AM
So a pun for a different defender? Was blatantly obvious, I apologise.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 28, 2022, 04:56:43 AM
I doubt David Moyes will allow Dawson to leave. He's probably a bit more sensible not to weaken his defence unlike Gerrard. I see Hause sat on the bench for Watford yesterday and didn't get on at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villabear on August 28, 2022, 06:05:06 AM
Finding it strange in all this transfer window madness that no one is looking at Ward-Prowse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 28, 2022, 06:50:18 AM
Dan Bardell made a lot of sense on the Villa View podcast regarding the CB situation. He said that we had a list of 10 CBs at the start of the window, and brought in Carlos who was at the top of the list. Since then 7 of the others have changed clubs, and the other 2 have signed new deals. So that list is now irrelevant. Whilst I like the idea of bringing in another top CB to slot in above those we already have, that effectively means writing-off Carlos, which I don’t think we should do. So we are looking for a third/ fourth choice CB, and a loan is probably the best solution. Yes, Hause could be that player, but there is clearly an understanding that he wouldn’t be happy to play that role in the squad and wants first team football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 28, 2022, 07:06:45 AM
I would like to see us bring another imposing midfielder in. I think Gerrard said earlier in the window that we might bring in a couple of midfielders, but we’ve obviously only brought Kamara in at the moment. I’m assuming that the difficulty in offloading players has prevented this happening. I think Purslow said that this summer would be more about re-shaping the squad than anything else. I’ve got sympathy with the club on this, as I don’t want to see us with expensive talent under-utilised on the fringes of our squad. Especially if we don’t manage to make the step-up to European football anyway.

Looking at the business other clubs have done, I think Bissouma, Onana, Phillips and Palhinha would have fitted the bill. Of these, we have held an interest in Phillips, but we’re never going to compete with Man City for his signature. It sounds like we tried to get Bissouma in January, but I’m not sure I would’ve wanted us to sign him with the legal case hanging over him, and again we weren’t going to compete with Spurs for his signature. I thought Palhinha looked good in the Euros and have said on here previously that he might be a good fit for us. I know nothing about Onana, but his cameo against us was quite impressive.

Hopefully there are other similar players out there who are available, but I’m worried that the lack of outgoings, and the understandable focus on CB will mean we don’t bring in another midfielder. The other problem is that McGinn seems to be the most obvious weak link, and he is now captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 28, 2022, 07:19:00 AM
I’m not too concerned if we don’t bring another striker in. I agree with others who have said that a consistent 20 goal a season  EPL striker doesn’t exist, especially outside of the top six. I think Watkins and Ings are probably as good as we could currently expect. I’d like to see these two get 15 or so goals each, but considering that will probably play one up front for most of the season, they won’t both achieve this. We should be getting more goals from around the team instead.

I’m interested to see how Scamacca gets on at West Ham. I don’t know anything about him, but I can remember Michael Cox saying that he thought the reason that Italian strikers hadn’t done that well in England was that clubs tended to sign ‘English-style’ forwards from Italy, whereas signing more typically ‘Italian-style’ ones would present EPL defences with a different proposition. I don’t know who relevant that comment is anymore, as European football becomes increasingly homogenised. I think Dan Bardell was also saying on the Villa View that there seemed to be a move towards physicality with lone forwards. He was referring to Haaland and Nunez. I think that although he isn’t as ruthless in front of goal, Watkins does offer this physicality, and keeps CBS occupied.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 28, 2022, 07:27:04 AM
Is Dawson better than Hause ? Probably. So, as cover, I’m not too concerned about bringing him in either on loan or for a small fee. I wouldn’t want us spending £15m+ on a CH when there are far more pressing positions to fill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on August 28, 2022, 07:28:33 AM
Finding it strange in all this transfer window madness that no one is looking at Ward-Prowse.

I think it's more that he signed a new contract last summer and inflated prices would probably put him in the 50-70m bracket, which he obviously isn't worth
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 28, 2022, 08:44:20 AM
BBC gossip column has Ajax and PSV as potentially interested in Anwar El Ghazi, the former as a potential replacement for Anthony if Man U sign him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2022, 09:42:11 AM
We should have signed Dawson from the Baggies when we came up, I reckon we'd have had a lot less stress had we done so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 11:10:05 AM
They may have sulked and refused to do business with us after we pwn'd them at pens.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 28, 2022, 11:17:27 AM
They may have sulked and refused to do business with us after we pwn'd them at pens.

This is true.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 28, 2022, 11:19:20 AM
They may have sulked and refused to do business with us after we pwn'd them at pens.

Steer staring out Holgate in the walk up to the penalties is one of my favourite on-pitch non football moments of recent years
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2022, 11:23:28 AM
They may have sulked and refused to do business with us after we pwn'd them at pens.

Steer staring out Holgate in the walk up to the penalties is one of my favourite on-pitch non football moments of recent years

Jed was brilliant in that shoot out.  He played well in the play-off final too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 28, 2022, 12:40:54 PM
Dawson would be a good signing, was virtually an ever present for West Ham last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 28, 2022, 12:55:24 PM
I don't think Dawson will be good for us.

He's great in a compact organised defence but the way we get pulled apart his lack of pace will get shown up terribly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 01:00:36 PM
I don't think Dawson will be good for us.

He's great in a compact organised defence but the way we get pulled apart his lack of pace will get shown up terribly.

Maybe the manager needs to find a way for us to not be quite so bloody open all the time. No central defender, pace or not, would enjoy playing in this side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 28, 2022, 01:01:38 PM
Finding it strange in all this transfer window madness that no one is looking at Ward-Prowse.

Maybe we will go in for him again and come back with Che Adams.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on August 28, 2022, 01:15:39 PM
I don't think Dawson will be good for us.

He's great in a compact organised defence but the way we get pulled apart his lack of pace will get shown up terribly.

Maybe the manager needs to find a way for us to not be quite so bloody open all the time. No central defender, pace or not, would enjoy playing in this side.

yep that's the immediate flaw in your correct comment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 02:05:55 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 02:15:01 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 02:19:20 PM
I get that we've got some dodgy stock at the moment but sometimes the best thing to do, like in the first episode, is chuck the lot in the river. We did it with mcCormack
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 28, 2022, 04:10:14 PM
They may have sulked and refused to do business with us after we pwn'd them at pens.

Steer staring out Holgate in the walk up to the penalties is one of my favourite on-pitch non football moments of recent years

Me too. It was utterly fabulous.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 05:00:47 PM
Even if the board are going to stick with him, won't a lot of our targets be put-off by our awful start to the season? "Throw us an extra £20k a week, and I'll reconsider".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 05:06:49 PM
Can we go back and get Sarr please and play him and Bailey out wide either side. We carry no threat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 28, 2022, 05:30:45 PM
Our forward line is completely & utterly ineffective. We've wasted the Grealish money on Ings, Buendia & Bailey. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 28, 2022, 05:34:28 PM
Our forward line is completely & utterly ineffective. We've wasted the Grealish money on Ings, Buendia & Bailey.

On Ings I agree. The other two haven’t really played in the position or formation that led to us buying them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 28, 2022, 05:35:41 PM
Can we go back and get Sarr please and play him and Bailey out wide either side. We carry no threat.

Bring him in and make him player manager
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 05:36:56 PM
Forest have bought 17 players and are playing better football than we are.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2022, 05:49:21 PM
Should have been a red that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 28, 2022, 06:01:21 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2022, 06:01:39 PM
Can we go back and get Sarr please and play him and Bailey out wide either side. We carry no threat.

This is where I would go if I were manager.  However, I would also bring in another combative central midfielder to make sure we are more solid and able to press. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on August 28, 2022, 06:03:26 PM
We are apparently 'not close to anything' according to Gerrard earlier today.
Two days on and we are definitely not close to scoring.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 06:06:27 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2022, 06:07:13 PM
Today he said, 'we need to act and we need to act quickly'.  Something isn't right behind the scenes in my opinion.  The only thing that is going to save him, is the players he brings in between now and 11pm on Thursday.  Make sure one of them is a combative central midfielder please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 06:16:43 PM
Why, he won't be able to coach them into a coherent unit.

Think any further signings until this manager is futile now.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2022, 06:17:14 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 06:18:34 PM
Can we go back and get Sarr please and play him and Bailey out wide either side. We carry no threat.

This is where I would go if I were manager.  However, I would also bring in another combative central midfielder to make sure we are more solid and able to press. 

Oh good god that's just as important. We need width, pace and physicality in the next 3 days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 06:25:09 PM
I don’t think we will sign anyone. And if we do it won’t necessarily be someone that is that Gerrard wants. It’s that bad I can see us keeping the kitty for January for the new manager. Gerrard has not got anything close to the best out of the players we have and on paper at least we are much better than this. Right now it’s awful and no point throwing more money at it with him in charge.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 06:30:25 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.



Well, it didn't get typed by you, so it can't be true or sensible can it oh great one
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2022, 06:31:29 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.



Well, it didn't get typed by you, so it can't be true or sensible can it oh great one

Most sensible thing you've said all afternoon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 06:33:40 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.



Well, it didn't get typed by you, so it can't be true or sensible can it oh great one

Most sensible thing you've said all afternoon.



You need to watch the god complex. Might not get your head in VP next tome you go
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 28, 2022, 06:35:07 PM
I don’t think we will sign anyone. And if we do it won’t necessarily be someone that is that Gerrard wants. It’s that bad I can see us keeping the kitty for January for the new manager. Gerrard has not got anything close to the best out of the players we have and on paper at least we are much better than this. Right now it’s awful and no point throwing more money at it with him in charge.

This is the drum I've been banging too. He can't get the best out of the players he currently has (*they have literally ALL got worse!), so no way I'd be throwing another penny his way. Get rid, get a replacement in, and save the cash for them in January, post World Cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2022, 06:36:41 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.



Well, it didn't get typed by you, so it can't be true or sensible can it oh great one

Most sensible thing you've said all afternoon.



You need to watch the god complex. Might not get your head in VP next tome you go

My beliefs aren't inflated. Let's not have this detract though from you coming out with some really whacky stuff about our owners. Do you really believe it or is it just Internet polemics?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 28, 2022, 06:44:34 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse

Sorry, but that is a shameful thing to say. We might not have an Aston Villa if it wasn't for them.



Why is it shameful? There is nothing wrong with trading. Look at Norwich, they take great pride in being self sufficient club.

I wouldn't say shameful, just stupid.



Well, it didn't get typed by you, so it can't be true or sensible can it oh great one

Most sensible thing you've said all afternoon.



You need to watch the god complex. Might not get your head in VP next tome you go

My beliefs aren't inflated. Let's not have this detract though from you coming out with some really whacky stuff about our owners. Do you really believe it or is it just Internet polemics?




If its so stupid why would you need to explore it further? Yes, I do believe the publicly announced ambitions from the top, that haven't been backed up with the relevant funding to achieve this, has cost dean smith his job and looks like it will cost Gerrard his. I think it they'd had kept they big ambitions in house, we would be holding the current manager to a less and more achievable standard. Don't see how that warrants being labelled "stupid" or any of the other personal attacks I have received regarding but hey its H&V isn't it...the land freedom of speech unless its goes against the grain or the regular posters
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 28, 2022, 06:47:01 PM
Can we go back and get Sarr please and play him and Bailey out wide either side. We carry no threat.

This is where I would go if I were manager.  However, I would also bring in another combative central midfielder to make sure we are more solid and able to press. 

Oh good god that's just as important. We need width, pace and physicality in the next 3 days.

Absolutely right Jim, but I think we all know it isn'g going to happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 28, 2022, 06:47:35 PM
When we're spending a quarter of a billion net (net) and only bettered by the Champions League clubs (meaning those with the income streams that come with it) its hard to be generous. So yeah, stupid. I could and probably should say something more polite, but I have an emotional attachment to these owners. They're superb and they saved our club and they continue to pour hundreds of millions into it in fees and crucially wages. When you call them the Trotters it's sub-Small Heath, as even that mob are jealous and actually appreciate what they've done and what we've got with them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on August 28, 2022, 07:02:30 PM
Our disastrous start to the season and the fact a 1 eyed amoeba that has spent its entire life on the dark side or Mars can see Gerrad is on the way out there is absolutely zero chance we will sign anyone of the quality to improve us before the window shuts. The biggest alarm bell for me was Sarr pulling out.
We are in real trouble here as we have 2 confidence strikers with zero confidence and a manager who they don't trust. A system that would leave us overrun vs Luton Town and a defence that quite frankly I think I wouldn't look out of place in. Change is needed and the sooner the better, 0 points from the next 2 and IF we are very lucky 3 from the next 4 games. I honestly don't think my heart can take seeing us drop again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 28, 2022, 07:18:39 PM
When we're spending a quarter of a billion net (net) and only bettered by the Champions League clubs (meaning those with the income streams that come with it) its hard to be generous. So yeah, stupid. I could and probably should say something more polite, but I have an emotional attachment to these owners. They're superb and they saved our club and they continue to pour hundreds of millions into it in fees and crucially wages. When you call them the Trotters it's sub-Small Heath, as even that mob are jealous and actually appreciate what they've done and what we've got with them.

Well said Ads. To have a go at these owners to any extent is incredibly disrespectful and ungrateful. To then refer to them as Trotters; fuck off was it about trading. It’s about calling them small timers and tramps you meet down at a market selling cheap knock off shit. These two are the furthest thing from that and without them we’d be where Derby are now and where Sunderland have been.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 07:19:44 PM
Well it’s just bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 28, 2022, 07:23:30 PM
When we're spending a quarter of a billion net (net) and only bettered by the Champions League clubs (meaning those with the income streams that come with it) its hard to be generous. So yeah, stupid. I could and probably should say something more polite, but I have an emotional attachment to these owners. They're superb and they saved our club and they continue to pour hundreds of millions into it in fees and crucially wages. When you call them the Trotters it's sub-Small Heath, as even that mob are jealous and actually appreciate what they've done and what we've got with them.

Well said Ads. To have a go at these owners to any extent is incredibly disrespectful and ungrateful. To then refer to them as Trotters; fuck off was it about trading. It’s about calling them small timers and tramps you meet down at a market selling cheap knock off shit. These two are the furthest thing from that and without them we’d be where Derby are now and where Sunderland have been.

Agreed, both.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 07:52:42 PM
Isn't every striker a confidence one and Luton Town are decent these days, no shame in losing to them if we meet in the cup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 08:11:53 PM
I don’t think we will sign anyone. And if we do it won’t necessarily be someone that is that Gerrard wants. It’s that bad I can see us keeping the kitty for January for the new manager. Gerrard has not got anything close to the best out of the players we have and on paper at least we are much better than this. Right now it’s awful and no point throwing more money at it with him in charge.

This is the drum I've been banging too. He can't get the best out of the players he currently has (*they have literally ALL got worse!), so no way I'd be throwing another penny his way. Get rid, get a replacement in, and save the cash for them in January, post World Cup.


As I’ve said that makes sense only if the club have decided to sack him. If that’s the case then sack him and move on - if that isn’t the case then they have to back him. You simply can’t have a half-way house in this stuff.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 28, 2022, 08:38:04 PM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 08:41:51 PM
We've started to get in higher calibre of player (internationally) that wasn't possible under DS for a few reasons at least.

Those said players now need a top class manager to drill them in coherent formation on training ground now.

We wouldn't look anywhere near this bad with a few coaching sessions under Rodgers, Potter or Pochettinho.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 08:42:52 PM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.

Spot on. They have been brilliant, but we are in limbo as a club. There isn't a clear direction of all in to get to the top (see Newcastle mangling £60m on a striker and £38 on a central midfielder for what that looks like) we seem to spend a huge amount to comparatively build, without actually progressively building.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 28, 2022, 08:47:32 PM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.
I think if it would make difference they would as they have invested heavily at points - do we really think that spending another 100m trying to make Gerrards plans work would be a sound investment
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 08:50:37 PM
Everton spent £50m+ on a player about 5 years ago. We're nowhere near that level of spending, we seems to like the mid range gamble and lots of them. Hence, for me, why we never progress, we neither have the quality of managers or go full on with higher quality signings. We're in limbo, throwing loads at going nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 28, 2022, 09:04:48 PM
Are we FFP restricted ?

We know there's at least £25m available based on the aborted Sarr purchase.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 28, 2022, 09:14:24 PM
If we are then we’re about the only club in the league who seem to be concerned about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 28, 2022, 09:18:06 PM
Everton spent £50m+ on a player about 5 years ago. We're nowhere near that level of spending, we seems to like the mid range gamble and lots of them. Hence, for me, why we never progress, we neither have the quality of managers or go full on with higher quality signings. We're in limbo, throwing loads at going nowhere.

To be honest I wouldn’t use Everton as an example of something to aspire to. The value of a player might be an indicator of quality, but it might not be. We do need more quality though and we need to get a bloody move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 28, 2022, 09:19:22 PM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.
I think if it would make difference they would as they have invested heavily at points - do we really think that spending another 100m trying to make Gerrards plans work would be a sound investment
Yep , it’s no coincidence that our piss poor start and transfer funds drying up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on August 28, 2022, 09:19:48 PM
spending only works if you've got a manager who knows how to make a team. Look at Man Utd, they may as well have chucked the best part of £500mil down the pan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 28, 2022, 09:30:35 PM
I have said it before. We have spent a fortune on players over the last 25 odd years. Aside from Little and MON, we have never gone out and poached/spent on a top class elite manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 28, 2022, 10:15:00 PM
Everton spent £50m+ on a player about 5 years ago. We're nowhere near that level of spending, we seems to like the mid range gamble and lots of them. Hence, for me, why we never progress, we neither have the quality of managers or go full on with higher quality signings. We're in limbo, throwing loads at going nowhere.

To be honest I wouldn’t use Everton as an example of something to aspire to. The value of a player might be an indicator of quality, but it might not be. We do need more quality though and we need to get a bloody move on.

I wasn't using Everton as anything other than an example of the prices that have been paid previously by clubs that aren't in the Champions League. Out of interest I wonder which clubs have transfer records higher than ours?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 28, 2022, 11:18:55 PM
Bailey being linked with a move to Ajax to replace Anthony and Luiz with a late move to Juve. If I was either I would be pushing hard for both moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 28, 2022, 11:25:16 PM
The Saar move last week suggested to me that Bailey might be under threat.

His father's comments can't have helped either.

There's talent there, but he looked bollocks when he came on today. Giving the ball away in central midfield with his first touch and shanking that effort well wide near the end.

Be interesting to see what a decent manager could do with him though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on August 28, 2022, 11:39:33 PM
I have said it before. We have spent a fortune on players over the last 25 odd years. Aside from Little and MON, we have never gone out and poached/spent on a top class elite manager.
This^
Time to stop talking about it and start acting like a club that is serious about European qualification.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 28, 2022, 11:56:50 PM
Everton spent £50m+ on a player about 5 years ago. We're nowhere near that level of spending, we seems to like the mid range gamble and lots of them. Hence, for me, why we never progress, we neither have the quality of managers or go full on with higher quality signings. We're in limbo, throwing loads at going nowhere.

We seem to do that thinking we can sell these players on for double if they don't work out. Reality is we can't flog likes of AEG, Traore and Sanson so have to loan them out or sell them for very low fees. Targett was player of year in 20/21 and yet we sell him for pretty much what we paid despite him being a regular starter here compared to squad player at Southampton. Konsa value decreasing as it stands Luiz is walking out on a free in 12 months.

We need to become more self sufficient. I'd prefer to do that not cashing on our best academy player every summer as happened with last two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 29, 2022, 12:46:38 AM
Looks like we can shift AEG for €2.5m to PSV if we're prepared to pay part of his salary. As he only has less than 12 months left on his contract I'd imagine that's all we'd contribute towards. After that they're hopefully on their own. From memory he's on £38k a week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on August 29, 2022, 12:55:51 AM
Deal with PSV agreed apparently, good luck to him. Assuming it goes through that’s the fourth senior player out in a week, time to see some come in now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2022, 02:46:22 AM
If you were the owners, would you let him spend any more in the transfer market?
I wouldn’t.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 29, 2022, 03:31:20 AM
If you were the owners, would you let him spend any more in the transfer market?
I wouldn’t.

This is why (or should be anyway) we have a sporting director. I’d hope that this week he (can see himself) we must get a CM and CB minimum regardless of what’s going on with SG.
The major major issue we have now is the players we try to get. Are they going to want to come knowing SG prob gets sacked soon unless things improve?

Unfortunately I see a world where we don’t recruit this week and we will just have to make do with what we have till Jan (but under a new manager very shortly)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 29, 2022, 05:12:05 AM
That's my fear too.  If our new targets have been paying attention then they'll know SG could already be on borrowed time. Hardly an attractive proposition is it when they'll undoubtedly have other options.

Plus agents will take the piss, we've already seen one transfer target take a look at us, realise we're desperate and up the anti on his wages. We've put ourselves in a terrible negotiating position thanks to this clusterfuck of a start.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 07:10:42 AM
£2 million john mcginn running round catching £40 million midfielders. Like asking Drayton Manor to compete with Disney world
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 29, 2022, 07:51:37 AM
I have said it before. We have spent a fortune on players over the last 25 odd years. Aside from Little and MON, we have never gone out and poached/spent on a top class elite manager.
This^
Time to stop talking about it and start acting like a club that is serious about European qualification.
We need a manager that can actually make this a reality first, though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 29, 2022, 07:57:01 AM
If you were the owners, would you let him spend any more in the transfer market?
I wouldn’t.

No chance!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2022, 08:04:18 AM
If you were the owners, would you let him spend any more in the transfer market?
I wouldn’t.

Again that really comes down to whether they believe he’s the right man for the job. If they don’t then they should sack him and get someone else in. But if they want him to continue as manager they have to back him. There can’t be a halfway house on this side.

Also with the structure at the club the players who are bought shouldn’t just be down to the manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2022, 08:42:49 AM
I'd give Lange what he needs to get a defender, midfielder and forward with pace in. Even if 2 are on loan. The next manager needs the tools to turn it round and won't have the chance to buy anyone until Jan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on August 29, 2022, 08:46:49 AM
If you were the owners, would you let him spend any more in the transfer market?
I wouldn’t.

No chance!
If everything was going in the right direction and two more players were seen as the ones to push us on, then absolutely….give him £80m for those players.
The fact he can’t get half a tune out of what he already got shows that its not players that’s the problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 08:47:51 AM
Dean Saunders on Villa "They're aren't exactly shopping in Marks and Spencer are they? They are signing Jesus from city"


Even a guy who thinks its a good idea to drink and drive knows its the investment to go higher that's an issue....that's how obvious it is
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on August 29, 2022, 08:51:06 AM

If everything was going in the right direction and two more players were seen as the ones to push us on, then absolutely….give him £80m for those players.
The fact he can’t get half a tune out of what he already got shows that its not players that’s the problem.
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But didn't you hear Gerrard, it's the players they are not trying??

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2022, 09:12:33 AM
Dean Saunders on Villa "They're aren't exactly shopping in Marks and Spencer are they? They are signing Jesus from city"


Even a guy who thinks its a good idea to drink and drive knows its the investment to go higher that's an issue....that's how obvious it is

I’m not sure what he means.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 09:24:20 AM
All are signings this summer have not been from the premier league.

We now have 3 1/2 days before the window closes and their are moves around for premier league players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 29, 2022, 09:29:20 AM
Dean Saunders on Villa "They're aren't exactly shopping in Marks and Spencer are they? They are signing Jesus from city"


Even a guy who thinks its a good idea to drink and drive knows its the investment to go higher that's an issue....that's how obvious it is

I’m not sure what he means.
He was saying Villa aren't spending on players like for instance Arsenal are.
He also said it's only four games and it's ridiculous to want him sacked.
The sheer,uneducated slant that's already being geared up as a fickle fan base reaction is boiling my piss.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 29, 2022, 09:38:35 AM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.

You could argue signing Coutinho at this stage is an 'extra mile', it's just that the driver has taken us down a dead end outside the tip.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 10:26:20 AM
Bailey linked with ajax. Will help the spreadsheet and the FFP
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on August 29, 2022, 10:34:04 AM
He's trying to get rid of every winger we have with any ability, so we're stuck with the only man daft enough to persist with his fucking stupid formation. I'm on to you, Stevie!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 29, 2022, 10:35:16 AM
The owners have been great, and in all likelihood saved the club from oblivion. We never seem to quite go the extra mile though. Whether that's because they won't provide the backing, or that Purslow and Lange just aren't very good, I don't know.

You could argue signing Coutinho at this stage is an 'extra mile', it's just that the driver has taken us down a dead end outside the tip.

We have been guilty of signing players in positions where we already had adequate players, resulting in an increase in wages but minimal impact on the first team.  Buendia to Coutinho, Watkins to Ings, Target to Digne and possibly Mings to Carlos have negligible net impact on the first team but have probably added 20% to the wage bill.

Some of those players were necessary but overall the squad feels a bit bloated now with seemingly no clear strategy on transfers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 29, 2022, 10:39:36 AM
There was no outcry when we signed these players they were good enough then we all thought it was great
Bedanek is a different story there is an outcry they’re quite rightly But we don’t even know if he’s coming yet

Kamara Came in to fill that much anticipated roll, The defensive mid that everyone said would make all the difference has made no difference

It’s not the players it’s the system/formation/manager
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 29, 2022, 10:42:53 AM
Everton spent £50m+ on a player about 5 years ago. We're nowhere near that level of spending, we seems to like the mid range gamble and lots of them. Hence, for me, why we never progress, we neither have the quality of managers or go full on with higher quality signings. We're in limbo, throwing loads at going nowhere.
Has that approach served Everton well? I think it’s pretty clear that they regret the hubris of the early Moshiri days. In fact that player is still without a club at 32 having run down their contract. Everton were reduced to picking up the likes Gray, Robson and Townsend last summer. Better a mid-range gamble than a top-of-the-range one, if you’re interested in sustainability.

I don’t think there can be any criticism of the level of investment from NSWE, the issue is how it has been spent. Whilst some signings have worked, and the investment in youth represents a positive new strategy (towards sustainability), I’ve been unconvinced by both Pitarch and Lange. I don’t think the focus on the Belgian market was sensible following promotion, and the move from signing players on the cusp of their prime (with re-sale value) towards seasoned internationals (with little re-sale value), seems risky for a club in our position. Many years following Villa has proven that there are no risk-free transfers. It’s a much bigger problem to have an under-performing Coutinho on the books, than an under-performing younger player on lower wages, especially without European football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa Lew on August 29, 2022, 10:43:16 AM
Sky Sports news 1 September 10.59pm Rob Dorsett at Bodymoor Heath 'Even at this late stage Steven Gerrard still hopeful of getting a new player in'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 29, 2022, 10:53:06 AM
Lange hasn't uncovered any unpolished gems, and some of the players  can't get games in underperforming teams under different managers.



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2022, 10:54:37 AM
There was no outcry when we signed these players they were good enough then we all thought it was great
Bedanek is a different story there is an outcry they’re quite rightly But we don’t even know if he’s coming yet

Kamara Came in to fill that much anticipated roll, The defensive mid that everyone said would make all the difference has made no difference

It’s not the players it’s the system/formation/manager


Kamara played well yesterday, and it took a massively deflected goal for West Ham to score. He was good at snuffing out danger and he uses the ball well when he has it. The problem is further forward. The midfield was the same pair of non-entities that has done the square root of fuck all for the last 3 and a bit years in Luiz and McGinn. Then in the forward line, Watkins isn't very good, and when he plays with Ings he mostly looks even worse. It wouldn't solve all the problems, but buying better midfielders than McGinn and Luiz, and better strikers than Watkins and Ings would be really nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on August 29, 2022, 12:20:00 PM
We are likely going to start the season with 5 defeats from 6 games. I wonder if the club have just pulled the plug on supporting Gerrard any further in the market. I know I’m probably being cynical and paranoid.


It might kick the trotters up the arse
I genuinely thought this was a reference to our only away conquest of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 29, 2022, 12:30:23 PM
It struck me yesterday that you never hear a load of noise about Declan Rice moving to one of the usual suspects.  Why is that?  Can't help but think that if he was playing Villa it'd be non-stop speculation as it was with Grealish (and even this summer with Chukwuemeka).  It can't just be playing in sth sodding UEFA cup?! 

As for this window, we're in a shit position now, with Gerrard's uncertain future likely to make players think twice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2022, 12:40:22 PM
Rice has been heavily linked with Chelsea and Yanited in the last couple of years and I think he has refused to sign a long-term contract with Ham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 29, 2022, 01:00:32 PM
Rice has been heavily linked with Chelsea and Yanited in the last couple of years and I think he has refused to sign a long-term contract with Ham.

He's best mates with Mason Mount so Chelsea move feels inevitable. Just timing although he isn't interested in signing new deal at West Ham but them playing europe has kept him happy.

He'll go to Chelsea and Jude Bellingham will go to Liverpool I'd say will be two of the biggest transfers for next summer.

We'll sign Harry Winks...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2022, 01:06:28 PM
Don't start with Winky.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2022, 02:02:11 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 29, 2022, 02:06:05 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.
Link?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2022, 02:10:06 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steven-gerrard-pressure-24869237

Warning: contains "roll up our sleeves" metaphor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on August 29, 2022, 02:17:24 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.
Doesn't quite say that though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 29, 2022, 02:24:20 PM
I think we’ll get a defender in, on the relative cheap and maybe a midfielder (hopefully a straight to first team quality one).

We will then pick up the odd win (either Leicester or Southampton) get knocked out the cup/s before finally sacking Gerrard just before the World Cup.

England will beat all the teams they should easily beat and lose to the first decent quality opposition. We will recruit Poch (don’t be daft it’ll be Rodgers) and finish mid table.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 29, 2022, 02:32:51 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.

Maybe saving their money for the new manager?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 29, 2022, 02:42:05 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.

Maybe saving their money for the new manager?

That is a very risky strategy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 29, 2022, 02:43:16 PM
If they didn’t trust him with any more transfer funds they’d sack him, surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2022, 02:44:15 PM
I read this morning the club aren't anticipating any big transfers in before the end of the window.
Doesn't quite say that though

Perhaps not, though neither was it in any way optimistic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2022, 02:46:05 PM
If they didn’t trust him with any more transfer funds they’d sack him, surely?

You’d think so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2022, 02:49:20 PM
If they didn’t trust him with any more transfer funds they’d sack him, surely?

You’d think so.

The club appear to be in this limbo where the manager is under pressure but under no immediate threat of being canned, where we're ambitious but are perfectly happy with the squad, where our captain is our worst player, where we're sending half the squad on loan but won't commit to incomings and where the fans are screaming for change but almost every pundit thinks the manager is deserving of plenty of time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 29, 2022, 02:54:20 PM
If they didn’t trust him with any more transfer funds they’d sack him, surely?

You’d think so.

The club appear to be in this limbo where the manager is under pressure but under no immediate threat of being canned, where we're ambitious but are perfectly happy with the squad, where our captain is our worst player, where we're sending half the squad on loan but won't commit to incomings and where the fans are screaming for change but almost every pundit thinks the manager is deserving of plenty of time.

And we're also running a bomb squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 29, 2022, 02:58:39 PM
If they didn’t trust him with any more transfer funds they’d sack him, surely?

You’d think so.

The club appear to be in this limbo where the manager is under pressure but under no immediate threat of being canned, where we're ambitious but are perfectly happy with the squad, where our captain is our worst player, where we're sending half the squad on loan but won't commit to incomings and where the fans are screaming for change but almost every pundit thinks the manager is deserving of plenty of time.

And we're also running a bomb squad.

Which appears to be a perfectly sane approach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdward on August 29, 2022, 03:12:23 PM
I think we’ll get a defender in, on the relative cheap and maybe a midfielder (hopefully a straight to first team quality one).

We will then pick up the odd win (either Leicester or Southampton) get knocked out the cup/s before finally sacking Gerrard just before the World Cup.

England will beat all the teams they should easily beat and lose to the first decent quality opposition. We will recruit Poch (don’t be daft it’ll be Rodgers) and finish mid table.
About right ^.
Think we will only sign a Bednarek on loan or similar.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RichardBatchelor on August 29, 2022, 03:32:45 PM
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-steven-gerrard-pressure-24869237

Warning: contains "roll up our sleeves" metaphor.

Yes, the metaphor worries me most of all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:03:12 PM
I've heard that a Prem Club have bid £30m for Gallagher
Its not Aston Villa.
Also that he won't be leaving.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2022, 04:10:07 PM
Bailey, Sanson, Gilbert all looking to go. He's fallen out with Mings. Luiz not signed a new deal. Picture isn't rosy at all is it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:12:16 PM
Critchley must be putting on some real basic training and coaching sessions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2022, 04:16:24 PM
Bailey, Sanson, Gilbert all looking to go. He's fallen out with Mings. Luiz not signed a new deal. Picture isn't rosy at all is it.

I thought Doug signed a four-year extension last week?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2022, 04:17:19 PM
Don't think we should be getting too upset about fourth choice centre back, we wouldn't be at all if
Hause hadn't been allowed leave until his replacement was sorted. Chambers made a few mistakes but was generally ok to be fair yesterday.

Midfielder - an upgrade on Nakamba and Sanson ideally but we still have (or should have) plenty of options in there. Strange that Nakamba was on bench for last 2 PL games but don't think he was v Bolton?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 04:19:37 PM
Barkley is now on a free. Knows the surroundings, in a position we need and fits within the budget
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 29, 2022, 04:19:54 PM
Obvious troll is obvious.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 04:30:02 PM
Obvious not as it's just been mentioned on TS
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2022, 04:31:13 PM
Obvious not as it's just been mentioned on TS

Its been all Villa for the last 15 minutes and probably the next 15, for those interested..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 04:31:57 PM
Obvious not as it's just been mentioned on TS

Its been all Villa for the last 15 minutes and probably the next 15, for those interested..


Nice of them to fit us in for half an hour
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2022, 04:33:46 PM
If its on TS, then it must be true, obviously.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:35:05 PM
Bosnich Lambert and Stephen Warnock were all on sky sports and been replayed since. I believe they were on at various times interviewed earlier today on sky sports news channel. All giving the talking points and concerns and Warnock was at the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 04:37:29 PM
If its on TS, then it must be true, obviously.



Jumping the gun again. They have asked a fan about it, it's not breaking news he's been seem at bodymoor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:40:59 PM
What I've heard on Barkley he isn't fit to play football.
SG had an interest and enquiry to what happened before but there are several players who aren't taken by RB and I think we won't be seeing him playing for us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 29, 2022, 04:43:23 PM
Good! Let him go to the Seattle Sounders or whoever and continue to be semi-retired.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:52:18 PM
If forest aren't even going to stack you then you know it's time to wave good bye to the big time.
Same with Dele.
I've always said Grealish has to watch himself but it's 50/50 to which way he's going at the moment!
I don't know if Southgate will even take him to the World Cup and be available to be selected to do so but that's a debate another time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 29, 2022, 04:55:42 PM
I've heard that a Prem Club have bid £30m for Gallagher
Its not Aston Villa.
Also that he won't be leaving.

Please stop pretending stuff you read on Twitter is some sort of In The Know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 04:57:51 PM
I've heard that a Prem Club have bid £30m for Gallagher
Its not Aston Villa.
Also that he won't be leaving.

Please stop pretending stuff you read on Twitter is some sort of In The Know.
May be on the scene but I've never claimed to be an in the know.
Have a small Chelsea linked contact that's all.
And I already said that I was told Ronaldo coming to London so have to see how good the knowledge is as that's seem not the case!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 29, 2022, 05:34:07 PM
Winks off to Sampdoria.. phew!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 29, 2022, 06:15:58 PM
I've heard that a Prem Club have bid £30m for Gallagher
Its not Aston Villa.
Also that he won't be leaving.

Please stop pretending stuff you read on Twitter is some sort of In The Know.
Oh be fair, that was a classic piece of ITK. A player we haven't bid for, isn't going to leave his current club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 29, 2022, 07:24:06 PM
I've heard that a Prem Club have bid £30m for Gallagher
Its not Aston Villa.
Also that he won't be leaving.

Please stop pretending stuff you read on Twitter is some sort of In The Know.
Oh be fair, that was a classic piece of ITK. A player we haven't bid for, isn't going to leave his current club.

Well regards CG anything happening there will be a loan.
No one will buying him.
Villa aren't only ones interested and remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 29, 2022, 08:01:04 PM
Sign some good fucking players Villa.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 29, 2022, 08:17:06 PM
Sign some good fucking players Villa.

Would help

Got admire West Ham having a bloody good go at it this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 29, 2022, 08:39:33 PM
West Ham just signed a midfielder for fifty million, we're in the market for Bednarek, just about sums us up at the moment. Not liking Gerrard saying it's up to the players when he consistantly plays Inga and Watkins together totally ignoring it has never worked and never will.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 29, 2022, 08:53:18 PM
Sign some good fucking players Villa.

We have. It’s just we turn them to shit via our “coaching”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 29, 2022, 08:58:02 PM
West Ham just signed a midfielder for fifty million, we're in the market for Bednarek, just about sums us up at the moment. Not liking Gerrard saying it's up to the players when he consistantly plays Inga and Watkins together totally ignoring it has never worked and never will.

That post made absolute no sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 29, 2022, 09:40:20 PM
Kamara impressed me again on Sunday. What’s missing and has been for a while is a central midfielder with presence and of course quality. If we fail to address this we are in for a struggle yet again. It’s a massive few days for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on August 29, 2022, 10:03:29 PM
In order to impress I’d like to think Kamara displayed attributes normally associated with being a midfield presence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 29, 2022, 10:24:22 PM
Kamara impressed me again on Sunday. What’s missing and has been for a while is a central midfielder with presence and of course quality. If we fail to address this we are in for a struggle yet again. It’s a massive few days for us.
Kamara is that player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 29, 2022, 10:32:30 PM
He’s one of them but on his own it’s not enough. The form of those around him has been that bad we need another. Someone who can physically hold his own and drive us forward. We are too lightweight and have been for a few years now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DeKuip on August 29, 2022, 10:34:06 PM
Kamara impressed me again on Sunday. What’s missing and has been for a while is a central midfielder with presence and of course quality. If we fail to address this we are in for a struggle yet again. It’s a massive few days for us.
Kamara is that player.
BREAKING NEWS… Aston Villa offer Aston Villa £30m for central midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 29, 2022, 10:36:46 PM
Kamara impressed me again on Sunday. What’s missing and has been for a while is a central midfielder with presence and of course quality. If we fail to address this we are in for a struggle yet again. It’s a massive few days for us.
Kamara is that player.

Or is meant to be...I've seen him four times this season (not Everton) and he has been average/poor in each of them including Bolton. Another reason we need to toss this 433 in the bin, give Kamara a partner to let him settle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 10:41:53 PM
Kamara impressed me again on Sunday. What’s missing and has been for a while is a central midfielder with presence and of course quality. If we fail to address this we are in for a struggle yet again. It’s a massive few days for us.
Kamara is that player.
BREAKING NEWS… Aston Villa offer Aston Villa £30m for central midfielder.


Grab the suitcase from the van
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 10:52:42 PM
Coutinho always in his pocket....grab the suitcase from the van.... we want to be the best ones, purslow dont ask question and Gerrard your the man!!!

Cos why we always get united is a mystery, it wouldn't be case but for the BBC....always the eleven driving me berserk.... why do our signings never work la la la la la
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 29, 2022, 10:57:52 PM
Honestly, I’m not fucking about here, are you ok Rich?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 29, 2022, 11:33:03 PM
Yeah, that was just a little light hearted post.

https://twitter.com/talksport/status/1564363051893153796?s=24&t=QoqjtYVGfD10jdv1w-KykQ
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on August 29, 2022, 11:38:15 PM
Well as long as you’re alright. Sometimes when I’ve had too much internet, and I’m an absolute fiend for twitter these days, I put my phone in another room and try and settle with a book or go out for a walk or something. Too much of it gives you brain worms.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 12:00:28 AM
Well as long as you’re alright. Sometimes when I’ve had too much internet, and I’m an absolute fiend for twitter these days, I put my phone in another room and try and settle with a book or go out for a walk or something. Too much of it gives you brain worms.




👍👍 I will take it on board
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 30, 2022, 12:37:29 AM
West Ham just signed a midfielder for fifty million, we're in the market for Bednarek, just about sums us up at the moment. Not liking Gerrard saying it's up to the players when he consistantly plays Inga and Watkins together totally ignoring it has never worked and never will.

We were doing that in January in fairness. Bidding for Bentancur and Bissouma in same window.

For whatever reason we seem to have given up and just not bid for anyone else since. Or Gerrard really does think Kamara on his own is all that is needed which is naive in the extreme.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 30, 2022, 01:54:04 AM
Under Smith we were buying young players who had potential with sell on value, Gerrard has bought older players who are as good as they will ever be with the problem of no add on value and the problem of being stuck with high wages if they don't work out. It could be the owners are as worried as the rest of us that gerrard is a busted flush.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 30, 2022, 07:06:15 AM
I thought the whole point of Lange was that player recruitment was not the sole remit of the manager, so that when they change we don't end up having to buy new teams each time?

To not get reinforcements in to cover glaring gaps in defence and midfield would be madness - other teams are strengthening and if we don't I think there is a real chance we go down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 30, 2022, 07:16:00 AM
I think the role of Lange is for the manager to say I want player X, and he does the negotiating to get him. He may field calls from agents trying to flog players, but the final decision surely lies with the manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2022, 07:16:34 AM
I don’t know why but I get the feeling that the plan was scrapped by Gerrard, maybe not formerly but I wonder if he doesn’t like interference in recruitment. It’s only a feeling and complete speculation on my part. Something isn’t right though, to many rumours and too many players looking confused and unhappy in their roles.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2022, 08:40:37 AM
I think the role of Lange is for the manager to say I want player X, and he does the negotiating to get him. He may field calls from agents trying to flog players, but the final decision surely lies with the manager.

We're not going to sign anyone the manager actively doesn't want but it's far more collaborative these days.

The manager shouldn't be saying "I specifically want this player" because he shouldn't be spending the amount of time it would take to really know about them.

As an example, I'd hope he wasn't spending the back end of last season watching random Sevilla or Marseille games and therefore knew that Kamara or Diego Carlos were the right players. What if the perfect striker is playing in Switzerland? Or the next promising new left-back plays for Genk?

There'll be exceptions (Coutinho) but broadly speaking it'll go:

"I need a Nakamba, but one that can pass the ball and at a push dribble it past someone"
"OK, here are six different options and why they might be better or worse than each other"
"K, him first, him second, him if we have to, forget the others".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:31:22 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 30, 2022, 09:31:36 AM
I think the role of Lange is for the manager to say I want player X, and he does the negotiating to get him. He may field calls from agents trying to flog players, but the final decision surely lies with the manager.

We're not going to sign anyone the manager actively doesn't want but it's far more collaborative these days.

The manager shouldn't be saying "I specifically want this player" because he shouldn't be spending the amount of time it would take to really know about them.

As an example, I'd hope he wasn't spending the back end of last season watching random Sevilla or Marseille games and therefore knew that Kamara or Diego Carlos were the right players. What if the perfect striker is playing in Switzerland? Or the next promising new left-back plays for Genk?

There'll be exceptions (Coutinho) but broadly speaking it'll go:

"I need a Nakamba, but one that can pass the ball and at a push dribble it past someone"
"OK, here are six different options and why they might be better or worse than each other"
"K, him first, him second, him if we have to, forget the others".

This is how I thought it worked, and assuming it is the glaring inactivity (although there is still some time left) to fill the obvious gaps is a real worry.

The Sarr "deal" was very odd, with the disconnect between Lange and Gerrard one possible explanation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2022, 09:32:44 AM
"Right, we need a powerhouse in midfield, cover at centre-half and a goalscorer."

*Re-signs Ashley Young.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 30, 2022, 09:41:51 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?



There is a £16 million one that has had limited coverage
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 30, 2022, 09:44:27 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?



There is a £16 million one that has had limited coverage

Signed by Lange, that 2 managers haven't wanted to play.

Either his attitude is terrible, which then questions the signing itself, or he just isn't very good, which also questions the scouting.

I think he has looked ok when fit, but if he can't get a change in our midfield it doesn't look good for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:54:18 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?



There is a £16 million one that has had limited coverage



It really is strange that he his new contract has gone quiet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 30, 2022, 09:55:28 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?



There is a £16 million one that has had limited coverage



It really is strange that he his new contract has gone quiet.

I assume they're talking about Sanson.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 10:01:49 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?

I get the point - but you can’t really make that argument with Ramsey, an academy graduate, and Kamara who would have cost a hell of a lot had he not been out of contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 10:02:18 AM
Ramsey, mcginn, Kamara. Is there another central midfield 3 that's cost £2 million in the premier league?



There is a £16 million one that has had limited coverage



It really is strange that he his new contract has gone quiet.

I assume they're talking about Sanson.



I thought we was on about Luiz. My god,  there's two!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2022, 10:09:15 AM
I thought he was on about Nakamba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ajmant on August 30, 2022, 10:09:42 AM
Whoever comes in must have pace.

To me we are so one dimensional, easy to play against, and in desperate need of pace both in the middle of the park, and out wide. Watkins, Archer and Bailey aside, no-one has genuine speed. Each one of our central midfield players is similar. Something needs to change. Me thinks its too late.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on August 30, 2022, 10:10:16 AM
It's just the +£40m in wages for Kamara too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
It's just the +£40m in wages for Kamara too.




I would wager that the £40, £50 & £60 million signings that west ham and Newcastle are actually paying fees for wouldn't be far off them wages.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 10:14:00 AM
Not to take away from the Kamara deal as he looks a class player. Clearly a great deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2022, 10:16:31 AM
Kamara all in across his contract is £26m.

If we were to sell him it would be £30m plus - good one for the books for future also
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2022, 10:22:12 AM
Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta cost €0.00.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2022, 10:26:08 AM
Whoever comes in must have pace.

To me we are so one dimensional, easy to play against, and in desperate need of pace both in the middle of the park, and out wide. Watkins, Archer and Bailey aside, no-one has genuine speed. Each one of our central midfield players is similar. Something needs to change. Me thinks its too late.
Watkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 10:27:50 AM
Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta cost €0.00.

So did Messi.

But the point is fair - we haven’t invested enough in midfield - for instance we should have moved on from McGinn by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 10:36:30 AM
The McGinn thing is worse than not moving on from him. He’s set in stone as one third of our midfield, untouchable.

Unfathomable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2022, 10:44:01 AM
The McGinn thing is worse than not moving on from him. He’s set in stone as one third of our midfield, untouchable.

Unfathomable.

Utterly out of his depth in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 10:44:12 AM
Fucking hell Rich, are you really complaining because we signed Kamara on a free instead of paying £40m for him and that we have an academy graduate who is good enough to be a regular in the premier league and cost nothing?

I think you're entire point about lack of spending is wrong anyway, but complaining that other teams are spending millions on players that are comparable to ones we got for free is fucking insane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on August 30, 2022, 10:44:52 AM
Busquets, Xavi and Iniesta cost €0.00.

So did Messi.

But the point is fair - we haven’t invested enough in midfield - for instance we should have moved on from McGinn by now.

Sure, I was being facetious to an extent. But the fact is sometimes you get good deals, or just lucky, or plan well from the youth team, and just sheer net spend doesn't tell you the whole story. Kamara and Luiz are better players than our performances show them to be; Ramsey is a really exciting academy prospect. Just because we haven't blown £100m on one or two doesn't mean the midfield is full of bad players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on August 30, 2022, 10:57:15 AM
I seem to recall Gerrard saying after we'd signed Kamara & Carlos that we couldn't stop there. Well unless something happens in the next 2 days that's exactly what we have done.

We need 2 first team players & a backup centre half  or it's going to be a long season.

On Sanson, Gerrard wants him out so he can bring in a replacement. If he doesn't go, he'll be back in the squad by Saturday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2022, 11:08:39 AM
The McGinn thing is worse than not moving on from him. He’s set in stone as one third of our midfield, untouchable.

Unfathomable.

Utterly out of his depth in the Premier League.

I’d like to see him actually playing in midfield rather than this stupid auxiliary full back role that 2/3rds of our midfield have to play to let full backs go forward.  Playing Digne & to a lesser extent Cash as wing backs without the 3 centre backs to back it up gives away the midfield without even trying….mind boggling that they give that away when you consider how good Gerrard & McAllister were in that position as players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 30, 2022, 11:19:43 AM
It's going to be one utterly uninspiring signing like Badnarek and that's it, isn't it? I'm not even sure it matters if we get another midfielder in if whoever plays  has to cover for our marauding full backs as opposed to actually playing in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2022, 11:23:28 AM
Erm, Harry Winks is beginning to look slightly more attractive (almost joking!).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on August 30, 2022, 11:23:34 AM
Speaks volumes that links will the Villa are for outgoings, than incomings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 11:25:44 AM
The McGinn thing is worse than not moving on from him. He’s set in stone as one third of our midfield, untouchable.

Unfathomable.

Yes indeed - it’s a very strange hill to potentially die on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 11:30:34 AM
We clearly need a quality centre mid, although I don’t hold out much hope of that now. If it’s doesn’t happen that’s poor.

However, we simply cannot go on with 3 fit centre-halves at the club. So presumably that will be addressed.

The weird one is Sarr - we clearly wanted another attacking option, the money is there - so what is going on?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on August 30, 2022, 11:38:43 AM
Erm, Harry Winks is beginning to look slightly more attractive (almost joking!).

Don't even almost joke!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 11:45:35 AM
We keep on about another quality midfielder coming in, but I see us getting regularly undone by midfields that on paper are nowhere near as strong. Fucking Will Hughes came on against Palace for 10 minutes and still looked better than our players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Pete3206 on August 30, 2022, 11:52:55 AM
Who in their right mind, would want to come into this toxic shitfest? What a mess.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2022, 12:00:31 PM
Who in their right mind, would want to come into this toxic shitfest? What a mess.
Yep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 30, 2022, 12:15:21 PM
We keep on about another quality midfielder coming in, but I see us getting regularly undone by midfields that on paper are nowhere near as strong. Fucking Will Hughes came on against Palace for 10 minutes and still looked better than our players.

That's easy to do though when you've got two players up front taking the piss like Zaha and Eze did. It's similar to how Grealish made everybody around him look better. When teams are having to double up on forward players then everybody else has more time and space on the ball. It's why we look so shit, because when Watkins and Ings play together, they're not making teams worry at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 12:19:49 PM
Fucking hell Rich, are you really complaining because we signed Kamara on a free instead of paying £40m for him and that we have an academy graduate who is good enough to be a regular in the premier league and cost nothing?

I think you're entire point about lack of spending is wrong anyway, but complaining that other teams are spending millions on players that are comparable to ones we got for free is fucking insane.




I was simply saying that the wages paid for kamara wouldn't be anything special, just because we got him for nothing isn't something to make a point regarding investment. Other clubs will be paying them wages in addition to the significant fees. What we should be doing is investing the fee saved on finding him a perfect midfield partner or two. If we're happy with what we are, a mid to lower end premier league side then dint bother, which I suspect we won't.

By the way, I did post this

Not to take away from the Kamara deal as he looks a class player. Clearly a great deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2022, 12:23:00 PM
We keep on about another quality midfielder coming in, but I see us getting regularly undone by midfields that on paper are nowhere near as strong. Fucking Will Hughes came on against Palace for 10 minutes and still looked better than our players.

That's easy to do though when you've got two players up front taking the piss like Zaha and Eze did. It's similar to how Grealish made everybody around him look better. When teams are having to double up on forward players then everybody else has more time and space on the ball. It's why we look so shit, because when Watkins and Ings play together, they're not making teams worry at all.

Nope, because effectively they both end up playing out of position. Play one of them,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: astonvilla82 on August 30, 2022, 12:44:24 PM
"Right, we need a powerhouse in midfield, cover at centre-half and a goalscorer."

*Re-signs Ashley Young.
I found that strange myself,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2022, 12:49:06 PM
The McGinn thing is worse than not moving on from him. He’s set in stone as one third of our midfield, untouchable.

Unfathomable.

You can add Dougie Luiz who has 10 months left on his contract, obviously has no intention of signing a new one, I can only think we're letting him take the piss in fear of upsetting his girlfriend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2022, 12:50:22 PM
It's been suggested that he might sign a new contract soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2022, 12:56:11 PM
It's been suggested that he might sign a new contract soon.

I know, all summer it's been suggested but until now..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 30, 2022, 12:58:22 PM
Sure. But it doesn't mean that he "obviously" has no intention of re-signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 12:59:51 PM
Sure. But it doesn't mean that he "obviously" has no intention of re-signing.

and certainly doesn't suggest he's being allowed to take the piss, or trying to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2022, 01:29:45 PM
Sure. But it doesn't mean that he "obviously" has no intention of re-signing.

and certainly doesn't suggest he's being allowed to take the piss, or trying to.

Wasn't it reported 3 weeks ago that he was signing a 3-year extension?

He did not look happy when he came off on Sunday. Especially when it was a senseless double-switch that led to nothing after the fact.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2022, 01:49:02 PM
I would just 1 of our midfield / world class Coutinho - to dominate the opposition

I have yet to see a game where this has happened, we are too light weight in Midfield

Listening to TALKSPORT on the way back from the game they said we have by far the worst running stats in the premier league, and yet Gerrard has just said that Coutinho had fatigue in the game, I thought they were going to get fit this summer, obviously not

Watched the 2nd half of Spurs against Forest and the effort and commitment that Spurs showed was fantastic, their Manager has drilled that team with fitness / belief and a style of play that will win games

In Gerrards first interview with Michelle Owen on Villa TV, she asked him how he wanted the team to play - his response was "that it would take too long to tell her his plan and way of playing" he was bull shitting he should of said " ask Michael Beale as he is the one who does the coaching etc..."
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 30, 2022, 01:55:45 PM
I would just 1 of our midfield / world class Coutinho - to dominate the opposition

I have yet to see a game where this has happened, we are too light weight in Midfield

Listening to TALKSPORT on the way back from the game they said we have by far the worst running stats in the premier league, and yet Gerrard has just said that Coutinho had fatigue in the game, I thought they were going to get fit this summer, obviously not

Watched the 2nd half of Spurs against Forest and the effort and commitment that Spurs showed was fantastic, their Manager has drilled that team with fitness / belief and a style of play that will win games

In Gerrards first interview with Michelle Owen on Villa TV, she asked him how he wanted the team to play - his response was "that it would take too long to tell her his plan and way of playing" he was bull shitting he should of said " ask Michael Beale as he is the one who does the coaching etc..."

Looks like it has taken too long for the players as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 30, 2022, 02:01:20 PM
Gerrard hoping for 2 signings and 3 to leave before the end of the transfer window.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 02:06:58 PM
Gerrard hoping for 2 signings and 3 to leave before the end of the transfer window.

Would be a good window if he's in the latter group.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 02:13:13 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2022, 02:13:51 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.

Its going to be Bednarek and Ryan Kent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 02:14:22 PM
Sure. But it doesn't mean that he "obviously" has no intention of re-signing.

and certainly doesn't suggest he's being allowed to take the piss, or trying to.

Wasn't it reported 3 weeks ago that he was signing a 3-year extension?

He did not look happy when he came off on Sunday. Especially when it was a senseless double-switch that led to nothing after the fact.

It didn't lead to nothing, it led to Fornals finding decent space on the edge of the box for the first time all game and getting lucky with the pot shot he took as a result.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aev on August 30, 2022, 02:15:39 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.

Its going to be Bednarek and Ryan Kent.

Painful, for all sorts of reasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 02:24:43 PM

In Gerrards first interview with Michelle Owen on Villa TV, she asked him how he wanted the team to play - his response was "that it would take too long to tell her his plan and way of playing" he was bull shitting he should of said " ask Michael Beale as he is the one who does the coaching etc..."

Looks like it has taken too long for the players as well.

I thought at the time that was a dismissive and condescending response, but on reflection it's worse than that. Even giving him the benefit of the doubt that there was a plan, if it would take too long to explain to somebody whose job it is to understand and summarise football, how fucking convoluted is it?!

And again, if there actually was a plan and if it was indeed too complicated to explain, was it ever realistic to expect a bunch of twenty-somethings, many of whom don't speak English as a first language and had to put so many hours into becoming professionals that they sacrificed much of their secondary education, to remember and stick to it in an incredibly high-pressure environment with 40,000 people shouting at them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 02:44:46 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 30, 2022, 02:54:22 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.

Its going to be Bednarek and Ryan Kent.


Barkley and Boly
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 02:59:29 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.

Ah that makes sense. And Watkins races back to cover the goal for Martinez? Fiendish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 03:04:53 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.

Ah that makes sense. And Watkins races back to cover the goal for Martinez? Fiendish.

Yes, it's an inverse gengenpress with a fase '1', made famous during TPS Turku's legendary 1957 title winning campaign.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 03:08:43 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.

Ah that makes sense. And Watkins races back to cover the goal for Martinez? Fiendish.

Yes, it's an inverse gengenpress with a fase '1', made famous during TPS Turku's legendary 1957 title winning campaign.

Makes you proud that our manager is such a student of the game. We're lucky to have him. FACT
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 03:14:33 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.

Ah that makes sense. And Watkins races back to cover the goal for Martinez? Fiendish.

Yes, it's an inverse gengenpress with a fase '1', made famous during TPS Turku's legendary 1957 title winning campaign.

Makes you proud that our manager is such a student of the game. We're lucky to have him. FACT

Well i thought you were completely wrong until you added that in massive letters and now I'm completely on board and regret ever doubting his genius.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 03:20:17 PM
It's internet law that the case and font size are directly linked to truth. The elders of the internet would never allow the word 'fact' to type out on screen were it not the truth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 03:20:18 PM
It's not that the plan is too complicated, it's just we haven't been able to find a quality goalscoring goalkeeper to make it work. Martinez is not good enough to arrive late in the box to finish the full backs crosses and needs to be replaced, but once that's sorted we'll be cooking.

Ah that makes sense. And Watkins races back to cover the goal for Martinez? Fiendish.

Yes, it's an inverse gengenpress with a fase '1', made famous during TPS Turku's legendary 1957 title winning campaign.

Makes you proud that our manager is such a student of the game. We're lucky to have him. FACT

Well i thought you were completely wrong until you added that in massive letters and now I'm completely on board and regret ever doubting his genius.

Thanks Paul, I knew I'd made a persuasive case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 03:23:01 PM
It's internet law that the case and font size are directly linked to truth. The elders of the internet would never allow the word 'fact' to type out on screen were it not the truth.

Like searching 'Google' on Google. The algorithms simply won't allow you to type FACT if it isn't a FACT.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 30, 2022, 03:25:40 PM
It's internet law that the case and font size are directly linked to truth. The elders of the internet would never allow the word 'fact' to type out on screen were it not the truth.

Like searching 'Google' on Google. The algorithms simply won't allow you to type FACT if it isn't a FACT.

... and that's a FACT.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 03:27:12 PM
It's internet law that the case and font size are directly linked to truth. The elders of the internet would never allow the word 'fact' to type out on screen were it not the truth.

Like searching 'Google' on Google. The algorithms simply won't allow you to type FACT if it isn't a FACT.

... and that's a FACT.

At the very least. It may even be a FACT!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 30, 2022, 03:29:35 PM
What we need is a winger that is so fast that he can cross the ball and then head It in himself
We’d be well sorted
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 03:30:50 PM
What we need is a winger that is so fast that he can cross the ball and then head It in himself
We’d be well sorted

A 'winger'? I don't like the sound of those.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 04:08:24 PM
If you don't, imagine what Stevie thinks of them!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 04:18:58 PM
There's just no defenders out there this close to the end of the window. Not unless you want to pay over the odds


City close to signing one for £13 million
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 04:25:57 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.

Its going to be Bednarek and Ryan Kent.


Barkley and Boly

"If I had a gun, I'd have shot him/them".

25 years to the day, give or take...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 05:37:54 PM
Leicester close to signing a centre back to replace Fofana.

West Ham apparently close to Bednarek now.....

Villa.... Tumbleweed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 05:43:48 PM
Leicester close to signing a centre back to replace Fofana.

West Ham apparently close to Bednarek now.....

Villa.... Tumbleweed




And mam city. They're picking one up for £13 million apparently.


I just don't know where they find them. I thought we picked the last one up when we signed Carlos, the guy who got injured, 3 weeks ago
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 30, 2022, 05:44:20 PM
The talk is that Leicester have gone in for Dawson, who we were supposed to be in for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 05:47:12 PM
We will be fine. The owners are serious and mean business.

The expert on talksport has just said that west hams £51 million midfielder will be superb. Maybe we could pick up one of their midfielders now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 05:50:18 PM
Leicester are buying a Belgian international from Reims or something. Evidently their scouting team do some work or are listened to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 05:51:16 PM
As someone who has always had only good things to say about our owners, I am currently, for the first time starting to doubt their ambition.

We appear to be standing still while other clubs invest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2022, 05:53:48 PM
I wonder if we are not the only ones who have lost faith in the manager?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 30, 2022, 05:54:00 PM
Under these owners we’ve never broadcast our signings so hopefully it’s the same now and we’ll come up with a couple under the radar. I’m sure the owners are aware that doing nothing would be football suicide.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2022, 05:57:20 PM
I wonder if we are not the only ones who have lost faith in the manager?

I wouldn't give Gerrard more than a loan signing at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on August 30, 2022, 05:58:22 PM
Don’t think we will be making signings if There’s a chance we might be changing manager
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 06:00:17 PM
Leicester close to signing a centre back to replace Fofana.

West Ham apparently close to Bednarek now.....

Villa.... Tumbleweed

Grateful for tumbleweed over Bednarek to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 30, 2022, 06:02:17 PM
I wonder if we are not the only ones who have lost faith in the manager?

I wouldn't give Gerrard more than a loan signing at the moment.

Me neither. We all know how this is going to end. Save it for the next manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2022, 06:02:32 PM
Leicester close to signing a centre back to replace Fofana.

West Ham apparently close to Bednarek now.....

Villa.... Tumbleweed

Grateful for tumbleweed over Bednarek to be honest.

Leicester are waiting for Fofana to be completed.. then they'll poach Caleta-Car.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2022, 06:03:14 PM
They have to be nervous, especially when other investments prior to Gerrard can’t even get a game, not to mention Digne and Coutinho who seem to be way off the pace this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 06:04:30 PM
I wonder if we are not the only ones who have lost faith in the manager?

I wouldn't give Gerrard more than a loan signing at the moment.




Why? A quality player/s will only help the future incoming manager. We also, regardless of whether we think he should be sacked, want him to turn it round don't we? We'd rather he make a couple of quality signings, turn it round and win a cup and/or get up the table than see him fail and get sacked?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 30, 2022, 06:06:04 PM
No, I think I just want him sacked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 06:07:30 PM
Brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2022, 06:09:50 PM
If fans want him out, what's the problem? It's a forum with differing opinions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 06:11:10 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on August 30, 2022, 06:12:31 PM
Well he's said that they're working on bringing a couple in so let's see what transpires over the next couple of days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 30, 2022, 06:17:58 PM
Grateful for tumbleweed over Bednarek to be honest.

Same here, but he'll suddenly become 'good' as soon as he signs for someone else.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2022, 06:25:50 PM
Grateful for tumbleweed over Bednarek to be honest.

Same here, but he'll suddenly become 'good' as soon as he signs for someone else.

If Dawson wants to leave west ham, more than happy to have him and let them
Have bendarak
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 06:29:17 PM
Dawson seems a sensible stop gap to be fair. But think there will be a few in for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 06:36:00 PM
If fans want him out, what's the problem? It's a forum with differing opinions.


Agreed. Did I put something wrong? Did I personally insult him or ridicule his opinion?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 06:36:33 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.


100%
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2022, 06:52:14 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.


100%

It depends on their criteria for giving him the boot. He may be a loss, or two away from the sack.
Who would sanction a club record transfer in that sitiuation?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 30, 2022, 06:55:23 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.

Well said, Paul. As we've often seen, teams can struggle early season then something just clicks and they never look back. Admittedly it never happens with us but almost every season you'll see a team that can't buy a win suddenly race up the table.

Add to that the draining of confidence if we fail to address the problems until January or whenever a new manager is appointed. It's self harm. I'd rather we recruit a new coach and players from a position of strength than needing somebody to dig us out of a hole.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 07:07:38 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.


100%

It depends on their criteria for giving him the boot. He may be a loss, or two away from the sack.
Who would sanction a club record transfer in that sitiuation?

Again - transfer strategy shouldn’t just be determined by the manager. In any case if they’re at the point of thinking “you’ve got a game or two to prove yourself” then he should be gone, because they’ve lost faith.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 30, 2022, 07:24:12 PM
Wolves have offered Dawson a 3 year deal so that’s another one off the list
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2022, 07:29:14 PM
It would be fucking mental to keep a manager in role AND not back him. If they’ve lost faith they have to sack him, but to keep someone on and not strengthen the squad would be a fucking terrible idea. Also transfers shouldn’t just be dictated by the manager, so this idea of holding money back is actively damaging.


100%

It depends on their criteria for giving him the boot. He may be a loss, or two away from the sack.
Who would sanction a club record transfer in that sitiuation?

Again - transfer strategy shouldn’t just be determined by the manager. In any case if they’re at the point of thinking “you’ve got a game or two to prove yourself” then he should be gone, because they’ve lost faith.

Having a precise ‘line in the sand’ is not about losing faith. It’s a trigger.

As for transfer strategy - you wouldn’t really want a significant signing to be made without a manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2022, 07:31:03 PM
Given what Vinnie has just said, im not sure we’re signing anyone. Looking a bit bleak.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on August 30, 2022, 07:58:46 PM
Given what Vinnie has just said, im not sure we’re signing anyone. Looking a bit bleak.
No ,bleak  is a 2015-16 Villa side.No central spine,goalie , Guzan,main central defender,Lescott,central striker,more often Ayew,sometimes  Gestede backed up by Gabby who was scoreless in 13 starts.The third highest scorer was 'own goals'.
If we're worrying about a 4th choice central defender,Kevin Toner made 3 starts in that season.
We have a reasonable squad and with decent coaching and tactics...spot our problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 08:06:28 PM
People are losing their minds a bit here. I cannot believe the owners saw being questioned either and the stimulus appears to be that we're not doing any further deals as of yet, despite a public intention to do so. While Wolves aren't doing any deals as of yet, beyond selling their other defensive mainstay and signing some random forward. Meanwhile Leicester, who again haven't done any deals yet, bar looking to sell their best defender to fund a lesser replacement. Okey doke.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 30, 2022, 08:09:39 PM
I think for the first time this summer, I'm genuinely slightly concerned by our business.

Kamara looks an excellent signing, and we've been unfortunate with Diego Carlos. Coutinho is a decent signing at the price, though doesn't seem likely to hit his former heights at the moment. Olsen & Augustinsson seem decent backup options. To counter that though, we've lost Targett, AEG, Trez, Traore, Hause (for a year), Wesley, and Barney. I'm not sure our squad is massively stronger than it was before. I had assumed that maybe a striker or another midfielder might've come in now, and certainly a backup defender. On top of that, the players in the squad have, at beat, stood still for the past 12 months and in some cases regressed.

It's a tad worrying.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 08:14:13 PM
People are losing their minds a bit here. I cannot believe the owners saw being questioned either and the stimulus appears to be that we're not doing any further deals as of yet, despite a public intention to do so. While Wolves aren't doing any deals as of yet, beyond selling their other defensive mainstay and signing some random forward. Meanwhile Leicester, who again haven't done any deals yet, bar looking to sell their best defender to fund a lesser replacement. Okey doke.

Apart from Wolves signing one of the most highly rated midfielders in Europe for £40 million and breaking their transfer record, and being close to an £18m striker. Not sure we can hold ourselves against their business.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 08:14:23 PM
Given what Vinnie has just said, im not sure we’re signing anyone. Looking a bit bleak.
No ,bleak  is a 2015-16 Villa side.No central spine,goalie , Guzan,main central defender,Lescott,central striker,more often Ayew,sometimes  Gestede backed up by Gabby who was scoreless in 13 starts.The third highest scorer was 'own goals'.
If we're worrying about a 4th choice central defender,Kevin Toner made 3 starts in that season.
We have a reasonable squad and with decent coaching and tactics...spot our problem.




Problem is the leagues stronger now than then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 08:21:18 PM
People are losing their minds a bit here. I cannot believe the owners saw being questioned either and the stimulus appears to be that we're not doing any further deals as of yet, despite a public intention to do so. While Wolves aren't doing any deals as of yet, beyond selling their other defensive mainstay and signing some random forward. Meanwhile Leicester, who again haven't done any deals yet, bar looking to sell their best defender to fund a lesser replacement. Okey doke.

Wolves have spent over 100m including an incredibly promising midfielder at a price 10m over our record signing.

Wolves.

As we stand, we have a weaker squad than the one which was so shit last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 08:24:57 PM
And we've signed one of the brightest midfield prospects in Europe, for a £0 transfer fee as we're smarter than the Dingles. There's money to spend, we were about to spend it on Sarr, we'll likely spend a good chunk before Thursday comes to a close.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on August 30, 2022, 08:26:21 PM
I feel Villa's business is done in this window. Sold most of the wingers and reduced the Central defenders down to 3 choices.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on August 30, 2022, 08:26:44 PM
People are losing their minds a bit here. I cannot believe the owners saw being questioned either and the stimulus appears to be that we're not doing any further deals as of yet, despite a public intention to do so. While Wolves aren't doing any deals as of yet, beyond selling their other defensive mainstay and signing some random forward. Meanwhile Leicester, who again haven't done any deals yet, bar looking to sell their best defender to fund a lesser replacement. Okey doke.

Wolves have spent over 100m including an incredibly promising midfielder at a price 10m over our record signing.

Wolves.

As we stand, we have a weaker squad than the one which was so shit last season.
Exactly. The owners built up a huge amount of credit over the past few years, but the inaction with clear gaps in the squad (both this summer and last) is eroding that. Just because they've done a load of good since taking over doesn't make them immune from legitimate criticism.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Grumpy on August 30, 2022, 08:28:05 PM
Telegraph saying athletico in for Luiz £20m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 30, 2022, 08:29:38 PM
Given what Vinnie has just said, im not sure we’re signing anyone. Looking a bit bleak.
No ,bleak  is a 2015-16 Villa side.No central spine,goalie , Guzan,main central defender,Lescott,central striker,more often Ayew,sometimes  Gestede backed up by Gabby who was scoreless in 13 starts.The third highest scorer was 'own goals'.
If we're worrying about a 4th choice central defender,Kevin Toner made 3 starts in that season.
We have a reasonable squad and with decent coaching and tactics...spot our problem.

I meant bleak in terms of incoming. I’m not saying for a minute we haven’t got a much stronger team and more engaged owners than 2015/16….i was there too!!
I just  think it has gone a bit flat in terms of those extra players i think everyone on this forum on numerous threads, whether their glass is normally half empty or full, think we need.
Maybe we’ll pull a couple of rabbits out of the hat in the next two days, we’ll see i guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 08:35:03 PM
Telegraph saying athletico in for Luiz £20m

Would still leave us with 3 8s, although 1 isn't fancied, 1 is out of form and the other us John McGinn. I started this post thinking I'd take the money, but now I wouldn't. Either way, he's not going for €20m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 30, 2022, 08:35:13 PM
Breaking: Atletico Madrid are trying to sign Douglas Luiz & are preparing a £20m bid. Villa will demand more. He was set to sign a new 3 year contract but may now leave.

[via
@JBurtTelegraph ] #avfc


Lol............
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2022, 08:36:44 PM
Final year of his contract. I can't see us getting that much more than £20m for him. £25m and a replacement lined up and I reckon we'll sell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 08:38:03 PM
We shouldn't be selling anyone 2 days before the window ends without the replacement already in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 08:40:10 PM
I'm not saying Douglas Luiz will stop us getting relegated, but selling him and neglecting to replace him will put us a lot closer to it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2022, 08:41:12 PM
Breaking: Atletico Madrid are trying to sign Douglas Luiz & are preparing a £20m bid. Villa will demand more. He was set to sign a new 3 year contract but may now leave.

[via @JBurtTelegraph ] #avfc


Lol

Well, it's in Doug's hands now.. can't imagine his head hasn't turned. Hopefully having your girlfriend at work will sway him  ::).

Imagine losing Bailey, Luiz and Sanson in the next 2 days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2022, 08:43:49 PM
Bloody hell. What’s going on? Either we’ve got something up our sleeves or we’ve lost the plot. He’s probably our best midfielder in that role. McGinn plays like he’s spent the summer with Grealish and Sanson has found Lambert’s long lost bomb squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 08:44:31 PM
I'm not saying Douglas Luiz will stop us getting relegated, but selling him and neglecting to replace him will put us a lot closer to it.

It would be a fucking idiotic decision.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 08:47:22 PM
We shouldn't be selling anyone 2 days before the window ends without the replacement already in.

Not least because he’s our best option in that role at the moment. The last thing we need to do is be weakening ourselves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 08:53:07 PM
Hasn't Dougie's gal signed on for another year with us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 30, 2022, 08:53:58 PM
This time last year we were amongst the biggest spenders in European football. This year they’ve committed to spending another £100 million on the stadium. We are pretty lucky, in my opinion.

Not lucky with what we are watching on the pitch, that’s for sure.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 30, 2022, 08:55:08 PM
You have to hope we are pulling a big midfield presence out of our arse in the next 48 hours.

I think most of us are actually hoping for a big arse to be pulled out of our midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 08:55:56 PM
We've been spoilt by big arses of late. Barry and Petrov. McGinn, not so much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 30, 2022, 08:57:16 PM
Hasn't Dougie's gal signed on for another year with us?

Yes she has. Also the reporter from telegraph isn’t j Percy!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2022, 08:58:32 PM
If hes not going to sign the contract sale him for 20m, and let sanson or ramsey or tim play

Luiz is a good player, but so are the other three and his pissed us around on this contract for over a year
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:01:34 PM
If hes not going to sign the contract sale him for 20m, and let sanson or ramsey or tim play

Luiz is a good player, but so are the other three and his pissed us around on this contract for over a year

Sanson is a complete unknown, Ramsey has looked poor for a while, and Tim isn’t an 8. Selling him without a quality replacement would be a diabolical decision.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2022, 09:02:54 PM
Bye Douglas. Not a great player. Three years of largely dull stuff. 20 mill? Sell. But, definitely need a replacement before he goes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on August 30, 2022, 09:06:14 PM
Luiz is bang average.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on August 30, 2022, 09:06:23 PM
Oh no, we have missed out on Harry Winks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on August 30, 2022, 09:06:52 PM
Well Winks has officially joined Sampdoria
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 09:07:07 PM
I think we'd probably all feel slightly more understanding of Luiz potential loss if there was anything at all to suggest he'll be directly replaced. But Sanson and Nakamba haven't had a sniff, Iroegbunam is still hugely raw and I honestly can't remember who was the last true midfielder we were linked with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2022, 09:07:54 PM
Out of curiosity how many games are there before the next window opens?  It cannot be many with the World Cup…

I’d sell if he doesn’t sign a contract.  We need to create some space in the squad and Tim/Sanson should be given the chance between now and January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:09:02 PM
Would be a shocking decision.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2022, 09:09:09 PM
If hes not going to sign the contract sale him for 20m, and let sanson or ramsey or tim play

Luiz is a good player, but so are the other three and his pissed us around on this contract for over a year

Sanson is a complete unknown, Ramsey has looked poor for a while, and Tim isn’t an 8. Selling him without a quality replacement would be a diabolical decision.
We have Nakamba too, and could push Kamara a bit further forward .  I would rather he signed a contract or he goes and we replace him.

I agree selling him without a replacement would be risky - but no more risky than having SJM as the first name on the sheet.

Him going for free when hes been average for the last two years and we have turned downs 20m for him twice woudl be a bit silly in imo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:10:13 PM
People are losing their minds a bit here. I cannot believe the owners saw being questioned either and the stimulus appears to be that we're not doing any further deals as of yet, despite a public intention to do so. While Wolves aren't doing any deals as of yet, beyond selling their other defensive mainstay and signing some random forward. Meanwhile Leicester, who again haven't done any deals yet, bar looking to sell their best defender to fund a lesser replacement. Okey doke.

Wolves have spent over 100m including an incredibly promising midfielder at a price 10m over our record signing.

Wolves.

As we stand, we have a weaker squad than the one which was so shit last season.
Exactly. The owners built up a huge amount of credit over the past few years, but the inaction with clear gaps in the squad (both this summer and last) is eroding that. Just because they've done a load of good since taking over doesn't make them immune from legitimate criticism.




100%
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 09:12:38 PM
Legitimate criticism, yeah. Calling them the Trotters? No.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:12:47 PM
If hes not going to sign the contract sale him for 20m, and let sanson or ramsey or tim play

Luiz is a good player, but so are the other three and his pissed us around on this contract for over a year

Sanson is a complete unknown, Ramsey has looked poor for a while, and Tim isn’t an 8. Selling him without a quality replacement would be a diabolical decision.
We have Nakamba too, and could push Kamara a bit further forward .  I would rather he signed a contract or he goes and we replace him.

I agree selling him without a replacement would be risky - but no more risky than having SJM as the first name on the sheet.

Him going for free when hes been average for the last two years and we have turned downs 20m for him twice woudl be a bit silly in imo.

The idea of moving Kamara forward - a defensive midfielder we have been crying out for for years - to accommodate a gap created by Doug leaving illustrates why he shouldn’t go for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 09:15:17 PM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Shrek on August 30, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
We’ve loaned out Hause while we only have 2 fit centre backs at the club, we are an utter shambles right now.
Very worrying how little we have strengthened as well. This is basically the same team we’ve had since January bar Kamara.
If the season started in Jan, we’d be going down…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on August 30, 2022, 09:15:37 PM
what the fk is going on down the villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 30, 2022, 09:15:48 PM
If hes not going to sign the contract sale him for 20m, and let sanson or ramsey or tim play

Luiz is a good player, but so are the other three and his pissed us around on this contract for over a year

Sanson is a complete unknown, Ramsey has looked poor for a while, and Tim isn’t an 8. Selling him without a quality replacement would be a diabolical decision.
We have Nakamba too, and could push Kamara a bit further forward .  I would rather he signed a contract or he goes and we replace him.

I agree selling him without a replacement would be risky - but no more risky than having SJM as the first name on the sheet.

Him going for free when hes been average for the last two years and we have turned downs 20m for him twice woudl be a bit silly in imo.

The idea of moving Kamara forward - a defensive midfielder we have been crying out for for years - to accommodate a gap created by Doug leaving illustrates why he shouldn’t go for me.
Yeah - my first choice would be sanson to replace him to complete with mcginn and ramsay
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:20:28 PM
Legitimate criticism, yeah. Calling them the Trotters? No.


Still upset by that then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:24:10 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 30, 2022, 09:28:07 PM
We will end up with Holding.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 30, 2022, 09:29:05 PM
What's going on?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2022, 09:30:00 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.

Apparently he's been abysmal this season so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:30:14 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.


Even him on loan would do for the season. I suspect we're done though, extremely disappointing given the "big summer" talk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2022, 09:30:27 PM
What's going on?

It's a DISGRACE mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:30:51 PM
What's going on?



Haven't you got tickets to count?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 09:35:50 PM
We will end up with Holding.

We've always been holding - out for hope.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:36:06 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.

Apparently he's been abysmal this season so far.

Yeah but it’s a few games and Chelsea look completely disjointed, so I’m not overly surprised. He’s still a bloody good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 30, 2022, 09:38:18 PM
I'm not sure he's the player we need. I'm probably old fashioned but we lack a distinct physical presence on the pitch. I'd be looking for pace, strength and height.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 09:43:27 PM
I like Gallagher but he's not the right player. We need a tall, athletic midfielder that can get stuck in and give us presence in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on August 30, 2022, 09:43:57 PM
Bednarek on bench again tonight , as Saturday , so surely he won’t be moving . Wouldn’t still be part of a match day squad this close to window ending if he was in talks re a move ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 30, 2022, 09:44:10 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.

Apparently he's been abysmal this season so far.

Yeah but it’s a few games and Chelsea look completely disjointed, so I’m not overly surprised. He’s still a bloody good player.

Don’t think he is the right type of player for us.  Talented for sure but do we really need another 8, especially if they're asked to cover the fullbacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 30, 2022, 09:44:36 PM
Not convinced I think a player who can get on the ball more would help a lot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 30, 2022, 09:46:42 PM
We should have got Onana before Everton. But that would have cost us £30 Mill or so
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 30, 2022, 09:54:48 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.

Apparently he's been abysmal this season so far.

Yeah but it’s a few games and Chelsea look completely disjointed, so I’m not overly surprised. He’s still a bloody good player.
also being played out of position.Exactly the sort of player we should be getting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 30, 2022, 10:14:35 PM
Something must be happening behind the scenes. Have they given up on Gerrard?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 10:15:22 PM
Something must be happening behind the scenes. Have they given up on Gerrard?

Has he been sacked?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 10:20:03 PM
Do something fucking positive Villa and sign a couple of good bloody players. I think we should push for Conor Gallagher personally.

Apparently he's been abysmal this season so far.

Yeah but it’s a few games and Chelsea look completely disjointed, so I’m not overly surprised. He’s still a bloody good player.

Don’t think he is the right type of player for us.  Talented for sure but do we really need another 8, especially if they're asked to cover the fullbacks.

Villa need a complete bastard who is also able to pass it a minimum of five yards.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 10:25:21 PM
Something must be happening behind the scenes. Have they given up on Gerrard?

He said less than 12 hours that we're working on things. We generally announce signings out of the blue.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on August 30, 2022, 10:26:19 PM
How old is Ian Taylor?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 30, 2022, 10:28:20 PM
Figured i'd put this here as just saw it. It's from the ESPN FC show.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbaz7z6WAAAgdMD?format=jpg&name=small)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 30, 2022, 10:31:40 PM
Breaking: Atletico Madrid are trying to sign Douglas Luiz & are preparing a £20m bid. Villa will demand more. He was set to sign a new 3 year contract but may now leave.

[via
@JBurtTelegraph ] #avfc


Lol............

If there's any truth in this I think we will sell. I think Luiz has been waiting around all summer for a CL club to go for him. He's in for a reality check if he tries ambling around under Simeone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 10:31:47 PM
Easy to see who the teams who have no idea how to sell a squad player are.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 10:36:26 PM
Local press reporting Gerrard expects to see Sanson out the door before the deadline.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 30, 2022, 10:37:39 PM
If Sanson and Dougie are off surely we have someone far better coming in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 10:43:05 PM
Leicester replacing Forfana with some lad out of Reims, Wawt Faes for £15m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2022, 10:43:32 PM
Local press reporting Gerrard expects to see Sanson out the door before the deadline.

Express and Star? Given the other one is Manchester based? Is there a link please?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 30, 2022, 10:46:42 PM
Gerrard himself saying he hopes Sanson can go find his football somewhere and a few things are bubbling. He's definitely off then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 10:48:00 PM
Local press reporting Gerrard expects to see Sanson out the door before the deadline.

Express and Star? Given the other one is Manchester based? Is there a link please?

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-morgan-sanson-transfer-24892041?utm_source=linkCopy&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=sharebar

Reading the actual quotes it's more of a 'there's a possibility and we won't bother to stop him.' Not sure if that makes me feel any better tbh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 30, 2022, 10:49:05 PM
We absolutely must have a replacement line up I would have thought. Probably Sander Berge!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 30, 2022, 10:52:49 PM
With the chances of him actually playing a significant number of minutes for us, we could replace his likely contribution by picking up a broken cheese grater from a car boot sale.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 30, 2022, 10:54:11 PM
Douglas and Sanson aren’t quick enough to cover our full backs so will never thrive in this current ‘tactic’ so are better replaced….played in a proper midfield role both can do a job.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 10:55:50 PM
I'm not fussed about Sanson. I'm fussed about the gap he leaves in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 11:04:30 PM
Further bulltwit that Liverpool are another club bidding for Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 30, 2022, 11:21:21 PM
Steven Gerrard: “I expect Morgan’s situation to maybe go down to the wire. I think there’s a few things bubbling in the background. I hope he can find somewhere to go & find regular football..”

HOW ABOUT AT ASTON VILLA? You fucking BELL END
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 30, 2022, 11:25:15 PM
The Carmey Chukmemeka deal came out of nowhere and banked us 20m. We haven’t done business since.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 30, 2022, 11:26:41 PM
Yeah, AEG, Traore, Trezeguet, Chuckwuemeka out already, Sanson on the verge of falling off a cliff.

It would be insanity - at this point - to move on Luiz unless we had a couple coming in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 11:35:51 PM
Winksy at the back post ready to give our midfield that steel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 30, 2022, 11:46:00 PM
I'm not fussed about Sanson. I'm fussed about the gap he leaves in the squad.

He has not been in any match day squads this season so he currently leaves no gap at all in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 30, 2022, 11:49:04 PM
But...the sane argument is that having played with Kamara at Marseille, he's surely worth a run out alongside him here with McGinn in such wretched form. Selling him only further relies on captain fantastic to find consistency he's never had in the prem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 30, 2022, 11:50:57 PM
But...the sane argument is that having played with Kamara at Marseille, he's surely worth a run out alongside him here with McGinn in such wretched form. Selling him only further relies on captain fantastic to find consistency he's never had in the prem.

Agreed. Plus, I don't like this whole 'bomb squad' thing. You never know when you might need one of the players and it just reduces the value of them when selling.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 30, 2022, 11:57:56 PM
I'm not fussed about Sanson. I'm fussed about the gap he leaves in the squad.

He has not been in any match day squads this season so he currently leaves no gap at all in the squad.

Currently being the key word there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 30, 2022, 11:59:16 PM
Something isn't right at the club (as usual) this window is turning out to be one of the worst ever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:22:47 AM
But...the sane argument is that having played with Kamara at Marseille, he's surely worth a run out alongside him here with McGinn in such wretched form. Selling him only further relies on captain fantastic to find consistency he's never had in the prem.

Agreed. Plus, I don't like this whole 'bomb squad' thing. You never know when you might need one of the players and it just reduces the value of them when selling.

I know nothing about the current squad situation, but I agree, the bomb squad belongs in the past (...with McCormack). Unless they're a total cvnt (...like McCormack) these players are multi-million pound assets, and not fancying one of them isn't reason to bomb them out.

It's part of a manager's job to work out a player's psychology, get the best out of them, work on identifying a move if they're not in your plans, and try to maintain their market value as far as possible.

Outside of the odd extreme case (...like McCormack) every fit player should be available and motivated to play when they are needed. Their professional pride and desire to further their career should be enough for that.

Not blaming Gerrard, not saying there even is a 'bomb squad', but if such a thing exists it would be an infuriating example of mismanagement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:24:10 AM
Something isn't right at the club (as usual) this window is turning out to be one of the worst ever

It's not, mate, come on. It's not been what we've wanted but we've had plenty worse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2022, 12:26:49 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on August 31, 2022, 12:29:57 AM
I'm not fussed about Sanson. I'm fussed about the gap he leaves in the squad.

He has not been in any match day squads this season so he currently leaves no gap at all in the squad.

He should be on the bench. Said it elsewhere just now but Tim and Nakamba on the bench can only really play as a six so unless Kamara gets injured they aren't coming on given we tend to be losing plenty of times in a game these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:32:42 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 12:40:17 AM
I'm not fussed about Sanson. I'm fussed about the gap he leaves in the squad.

He has not been in any match day squads this season so he currently leaves no gap at all in the squad.

He should be on the bench. Said it elsewhere just now but Tim and Nakamba on the bench can only really play as a six so unless Kamara gets injured they aren't coming on given we tend to be losing plenty of times in a game these days.

I fully agree. I've been one of Sanson's main advocates on here. He seems to feature heavily in the training videos on Pravda, we played better in pre-season when he was on the pitch and John Percy yesterday claimed that teammates can't understand his non-involvement while Gerrard said he's been a top professional and trained well. But despite all that, he has no interest in playing him, or even having him as a bench option in a League Cup game in an era where we name 9 subs.

Taking all the above into consideration, there is no point in him being here and I imagine he will move to France or Turkey in the next 48 hours, on-loan, not because he might have a future here but due to his presumably PL top six squad player level-wages.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 12:41:22 AM
Figured i'd put this here as just saw it. It's from the ESPN FC show.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbaz7z6WAAAgdMD?format=jpg&name=small)



Only just seen this. It's an eye opener but I'm still not buying it. My point has been in relation to the current owners v their expectations, so going back 10 years and two previous owners isn't really a marker of what they're doing. I mean. In Tony Xias first year I think we spent net £40 million, so that's 10% of the total value from an owner we all detested in the end and while we were in the championship. The brass tax of it is, that since we finished 17th in our first year back (more up to date data) we've averaged a net spend of £30 million in the subsequent years. That just doesn't cut it for me against what they are saying they want, especially when with each passing year that opportunity gets smaller and smaller.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2022, 12:48:16 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:49:33 AM
Figured i'd put this here as just saw it. It's from the ESPN FC show.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbaz7z6WAAAgdMD?format=jpg&name=small)



Only just seen this. It's an eye opener but I'm still not buying it. My point has been in relation to the current owners v their expectations, so going back 10 years and two previous owners isn't really a marker of what they're doing. I mean. In Tony Xias first year I think we spent net £40 million, so that's 10% of the total value from an owner we all detested in the end and while we were in the championship. The brass tax of it is, that since we finished 17th in our first year back (more up to date data) we've averaged a net spend of £30 million in the subsequent years. That just doesn't cut it for me against what they are saying they want, especially when with each passing year that opportunity gets smaller and smaller.

I am open-minded to your arguments, in spite of your agenda against the owners, but net spend is surely skewed by us receiving the sixth largest transfer fee in history in that time?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:50:14 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 12:51:34 AM
The post wasn't aimed at you, I wasn't selling anything, and the post didn't mention the current owners. You're a tad obsessed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2022, 12:53:59 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.

Ah cheers Rory.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 01:03:02 AM
I can't imagine Gerrard putting an arm around a player to lead them through a rough patch. I can imagine he was demanding as a captain, and that's great if you're on side, but I'd contrast that with the work John Terry did while at Villa, where he seemed to command respect but also act as a key link between squad and manager. There seem to be a lot of troubles around that training ground and I can't picture a harmonious working environment there at all.

Yeah, I think the kindest way I can put it is I imagine him being a meritocratic manager. He'll put an arm around players who are doing well. If you're not doing well, that's your fucking problem - and not only that, but if you've dropped a bollock, you've let him down and made him look a fool for having faith in you.

(Purely speculation, of course.)

Doesn’t really tie-in with his contrasting treatment of in-form Mings and the terrible McGinn.

Hmm, fair point Percy.

Ah cheers Rory.

When I'm wrong I'm wrong, and when you're right, you're right...ya big twat 😉
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2022, 06:38:28 AM
If it is true that Liverpool and Athletico Madrid want Luiz - I would imagine he would want to go and play for a club who are in the Champions League

Guilert going on a free transfer to a team in France, Sanson also hoping to get a move away anything could happen in the next 36 hours

It is going to be an interesting last 2 days of the transfer window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on August 31, 2022, 06:40:22 AM
Gerard said he had a bloated squad , but now we are heading the other way
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 06:58:13 AM
Figured i'd put this here as just saw it. It's from the ESPN FC show.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbaz7z6WAAAgdMD?format=jpg&name=small)



Only just seen this. It's an eye opener but I'm still not buying it. My point has been in relation to the current owners v their expectations, so going back 10 years and two previous owners isn't really a marker of what they're doing. I mean. In Tony Xias first year I think we spent net £40 million, so that's 10% of the total value from an owner we all detested in the end and while we were in the championship. The brass tax of it is, that since we finished 17th in our first year back (more up to date data) we've averaged a net spend of £30 million in the subsequent years. That just doesn't cut it for me against what they are saying they want, especially when with each passing year that opportunity gets smaller and smaller.

I am open-minded to your arguments, in spite of your agenda against the owners, but net spend is surely skewed by us receiving the sixth largest transfer fee in history in that time?




There's no agenda I just have an issue with outlandish claims of European football, even top half and then only giving the manager the tools to achieve a lower end finish.


It's like giving a roofer the labour and materials to do 4 roofs and then publicly announcing that 10 roofs can be can done 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2022, 07:05:00 AM
So we have a higher net spend than Liverpool in the last decade? it proves how good they have been buying players and knowing when to sell them

That is what we fail to do, we generally have brought players who remain with us until their contracts end (they know they are not getting the salaries that Aston Villa pay, anywhere else) and then they eventually leave us on free transfers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 07:05:13 AM
It's always on cheap with villa and these two appear to be no different. I'll use the building analogy again. Carlos getting injured and us clearly doing nothing is liking a roofer ripping the felt of a customers house and just slapping some glue on or better still do nothing. You know it's going leak, you know it's going to cause issues, you could put it right but we don't do we. Just do nothing instead of paying the money to put right the issue.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 07:14:22 AM
The biggest indicator of all that the squad isn't good enough is the players. There has always been a player at villa, even in our championship days, being linked with bigger clubs. Also one that "has to leave" or "is going to leave if we don't get europe". This lot, nobody wants them!! That's not because they aren't trying, it's not because of attitude, it's because they simply aren't good enough. We are what we are, the finishes in the league prove this and the owners aren't strengthening to gets us higher. We brought championship players and got the blood out of the stone we needed for the money spent but that's dwindling now. The team needs help, the manager needs help and the two that can do something about it are hiding quite frankly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 07:15:46 AM
The biggest indicator of all that the squad isn't good enough is the players. There has always been a player at villa, even in our championship days, being linked with bigger clubs. Also one that "has to leave" or "is going to leave if we don't get europe". This lot, nobody wants them!! That's not because they aren't trying, it's not because of attitude, it's because they simply aren't good enough. We are what we are, the finishes in the league prove this and the owners aren't strengthening to gets us higher. We brought championship players and got the blood out of the stone we needed for the money spent but that's dwindling now. The team needs help, the manager needs help and the two that can do something about it are hiding quite frankly. Look at the pattern our spending drops...the performances drop, they tend to go hand in hand.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2022, 07:19:22 AM
Ok Rich. Made ya point. Can we talk transfers now please!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2022, 07:22:54 AM
Why are you quoting yourself?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2022, 07:25:40 AM
If there were 2 more decent incomings this summer (clock ticking!!)  would say the club have done an absolutely excellent job with it outgoings thus far.

If we were to sign a ‘good’ mobile #8 and sell Douglas and loan Sanson that wouldn’t be a disaster…it’s what we sign that is key
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 07:31:25 AM
If we signed a player in the mould of a Sangaire and a centre back in the next 48 hours, and pulled a pacy forward out of the magic hat, I would think we still had a semblance of an idea. Right now we appear to be utterly clueless, with a limp through to the world cup and regroup attitude. The harsh reality is that this squad plus a solid centre half signing is a mid table one, so you will make a much bigger gain spending the cash getting a decent manager in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 08:03:22 AM
Ok Rich. Made ya point. Can we talk transfers now please!



Yeah, my apologies.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 08:04:10 AM
Why are you quoting yourself?




I tried to modify but clicked on the other option instead
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on August 31, 2022, 08:04:57 AM
How can there be harmony in the squad?
There are players being transferred, shut out,dropped for no reason, other players first on the team sheet despite their performances not justifying it. He is playing a system that if Micah Richard’s can work out is fucked, it’s pretty obvious that the players do also.
It looks like the opposite of a meritocracy, I doubt if many of them are relishing being part of Steve Gerrards Aston Villa. It’s a shit show.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on August 31, 2022, 08:36:35 AM
Craig Dawson appears to be on the move….
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2022, 08:49:26 AM
Something isn't right at the club (as usual) this window is turning out to be one of the worst ever

Surely that was January 2016 when we didn't sign anyone and just publicly give up premier league football.

Although you did say one of the worst so maybe you have a point.  Lets see what the next 24-36 hours brings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard on August 31, 2022, 08:50:03 AM
Dawson will end up at Wolves Leicester or us. He's 32 so a few years left in him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2022, 08:56:11 AM
Craig Dawson appears to be on the move….

Wolves have offered a long contract
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 31, 2022, 08:56:42 AM
Interesting window ahead?

Out
Doug
Ming’s
??

In
Dawson
Bednarek
??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2022, 08:58:54 AM
Interesting window ahead?

Out
Doug
Ming’s
??

In
Dawson
Bednarek
??

That better not be what it is - because that is grim reading.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 31, 2022, 09:33:24 AM
I’d really someday like to know what went wrong for Sanson. A pretty dysfunctional midfield for the last two years and he has never got close to an opportunity to get a run in the side (injuries notwithstanding).

Has he always been that far below McGinn, Ramsey and Luiz?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2022, 09:35:07 AM
Out Benteke, Delph and Vlaar . In Sinclair, Gestede and Richards. We know how those kind of culls go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on August 31, 2022, 09:37:26 AM
I’d really someday like to know what went wrong for Sanson. A pretty dysfunctional midfield for the last two years and he has never got close to an opportunity to get a run in the side (injuries notwithstanding).

Has he always been that far below McGinn, Ramsey and Luiz?

It’s a very weird one isn’t it? Clearly talented but doesn’t feel like he’s ever had a proper chance is a largely disfunctional midfield
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on August 31, 2022, 09:39:19 AM
Interesting window ahead?

Out
Doug
Ming’s
??

In
Dawson
Bednarek
??

That better not be what it is - because that is grim reading.

Yes, good god.

I'm no massive fan of Mings or Luiz, despite them being ok players, but if we are going to replace them with that pair, what's the point?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 09:39:26 AM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.

Absolutely. I just don't get why Sanson doesn't get a run. He's shown under both managers that he's fucked off if be gets replaced and that's about all I can see that he's done wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on August 31, 2022, 10:01:25 AM
Bit of a mystery to me and looks like it will always be that way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 10:09:16 AM
If he does well at his next club, I'm sure there'll be an interview with L'Equipe or someone and we'll learn a few things as to what happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 31, 2022, 10:09:28 AM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.

Absolutely. I just don't get why Sanson doesn't get a run. He's shown under both managers that he's fucked off if be gets replaced and that's about all I can see that he's done wrong.

We may never know, but if Sanson's only crime is to be unhappy at being substituted then the manager should understand and appreciate a player is a competitive beast (or at least should be) and may simply be disappointed at being withdrawn. Let's face it, no player should be entirely happy at being substituted if they're not exhausted or injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 10:15:48 AM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.

Absolutely. I just don't get why Sanson doesn't get a run. He's shown under both managers that he's fucked off if be gets replaced and that's about all I can see that he's done wrong.

We may never know, but if Sanson's only crime is to be unhappy at being substituted then the manager should understand and appreciate a player is a competitive beast (or at least should be) and may simply be disappointed at being withdrawn. Let's face it, no player should be entirely happy at being substituted if they're not exhausted or injured.

And the context of the player himself needs to be considered, someone that has for various reasons seen so little gametime, a senior pro too, is likely to be a little more vexed than average.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on August 31, 2022, 10:36:28 AM
Yes but why? Seeing as he isn't our manager anymore Dean Smiths opinion would be interesting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Joshua Fineman on August 31, 2022, 10:40:17 AM
I know it’s Villa and how we do business, but all seems to have gone rather quiet on the transfer front…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on August 31, 2022, 11:08:06 AM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.

Absolutely. I just don't get why Sanson doesn't get a run. He's shown under both managers that he's fucked off if be gets replaced and that's about all I can see that he's done wrong.

To be fair to Smith, when Sanson came in that January he did get a number of chances, admittedly in a Grealish less struggling team, but he looked half a yard short. Maybe to be expected coming in mid season from the French league.

Last season under both coaches his absence always seemed a puzzling one with the likes of Luiz and McGinn regularly struggling. Ramsey was obviously being promoted and later under Gerrard it was Chucky who was often first on. Definitely a strange one and I wonder has it anything to do with a bit of a political power struggle between Lange and the head coach(es)? Sanson was a Lange value for money type signing as opposed to likes of Barkley and Coutinho which were very much coach driven.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on August 31, 2022, 11:13:42 AM
I think when McGinn got that injury against Southampton in our first season back in the Prem, we lost his energy and it was highlighted that we needed someone who could come in for McGinn if similar happened. Then he's hardly missed a game ever since and we seem to have forgotten the reason why we bought him in the first place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 11:16:39 AM
Sanson has started 6 league games and 1 league cup game for us. Only once has he started 2 consecutive league games. I don't think you can say he's been given a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2022, 11:19:52 AM
Basically - I have no idea whats going on

Seems a mess - lots of rumours mostly probably rubbish - but very little to be positive about.

Only 1 new players into a team that has unperformed for the last 15 games - with many of the players underperforming for years
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ajmant on August 31, 2022, 11:20:44 AM
Tielemans  - bid from mystery club apparently if the gossip on BBC is ever to be believed....could it be us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 11:22:17 AM
Sanson has started 6 league games and 1 league cup game for us. Only once has he started 2 consecutive league games. I don't think you can say he's been given a chance.

I terms of minutes he's played the equivalent of just over 7 games in 18 months, he's definitely not been given a real chance. Add on that he looked good over the summer and was then marginalised completely as soon as the season started and I can understand why there are rumours of the players not agreeing with how he's been treated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2022, 11:23:16 AM
Tielemans  - bid from mystery club apparently if the gossip on BBC is ever to be believed....could it be us?
Think its Saudi according to the mail
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 11:30:15 AM
Tielemans  - bid from mystery club apparently if the gossip on BBC is ever to be believed....could it be us?



I don't believe for one minute that is us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 11:30:36 AM
Meanwhile Wolves have added another
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2022, 11:31:40 AM
I don't for one minute believe we know what we are doing either on the pitch tactically or off the pitch being flexible with transfers. All over the shop.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on August 31, 2022, 11:43:38 AM
Very quiet
What's going on ?? Purslow needs to come out and tell us what the new plan is as the utter garbage he spoke about pre season clearly isn't happening

We've been lied to! Where's the ambition? Where's the signings? It's all bloody talk!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 31, 2022, 11:47:50 AM
SG getting really desperate now as he has said that, as supporters, we need to realise that after 27 games last season we were 9th in the league. What has that got to do with what’s happened since. It’s like saying we took the lead in most matches but eventually lost!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 11:58:15 AM
Don't worry - as Jim White's voice booms over the Big Ben bongs tomorrow night, Santa will be squeezing his chubby cheeks down Bodymoor Heath's chimney with a couple of beltin' footballers tied-up in his sack (not "sac", perverts) - they'll have air-holes to breathe so should come through the medicals ok  8)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on August 31, 2022, 12:03:42 PM
Remember when Ratboy left to play in the Champions League and Dean Smith said we were 18 months away from that level? The Championship looks more likely at this point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 31, 2022, 12:14:28 PM
Waiting until tonight’s result to decide whether to back him tomorrow or sack him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 31, 2022, 12:18:02 PM
Assuming we lose our next 2 matches, we then have Leicester and Southampton. Can see us getting 1 point from those 2 matches. We have been sold a pup, not for the first time, regarding how well we were expected to do this season. As usual, the reality is we have been crap again with our transfers and just hope that we are not in a relegation battle again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on August 31, 2022, 12:19:39 PM
Very quiet
What's going on ?? Purslow needs to come out and tell us what the new plan is as the utter garbage he spoke about pre season clearly isn't happening

We've been lied to! Where's the ambition? Where's the signings? It's all bloody talk!

One possibility is that they've realised they've made a balls up with Gerrard and want to get that sorted first. They really do need to get the next one right, and i'd take that over any signings in the immediate future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 12:20:38 PM
Waiting until tonight’s result to decide whether to back him tomorrow or sack him.

That's not an either or. Regardless of what happens with Gerrard we need to bring in some players, especially if Sanson and/or Luiz go out. The whole point of having a head coach instead of a manager is that you don't have to stop everything and let the squad collapse if a manager is on the brink like this. We follow our process and bring in good players that have been well scouted alongside making a decision on who uses those players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on August 31, 2022, 12:36:00 PM
The Sanson saga is puzzling in the extreme, the only thing I can think of, and its a stretch, is that there is a large appearance-based payment due if he plays one more time for us. Wiki says he's played 19 times in the league, maybe we have to pay Marseille a few quid at 20 league appearances. After being heavily involved in pre-season and to my mind performing well, it is very strange that he has been ostracized especially given the problems in midfield.

On a different topic, whilst watching the presser it was evident how Gerrard's demeanor has changed and he looked like shit. Clearly feeling the pressure and knows he's in trouble.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 31, 2022, 12:43:07 PM
Around about 11 months ago, I saw Sanson, amongst our reserves, put in a performance so accomplished and polished for 45 minutes down at Stamford Bridge, that I've not seen Luiz do in several years. Inevitably Sanson got injured. He also gave a goal away against Man United, but fuck me, if dodgy passes were a reason to ostracise a player McGinn would have been fired of a giant trebuchet moons ago, the great balloon.

Absolutely. I just don't get why Sanson doesn't get a run. He's shown under both managers that he's fucked off if be gets replaced and that's about all I can see that he's done wrong.

To be fair to Smith, when Sanson came in that January he did get a number of chances, admittedly in a Grealish less struggling team, but he looked half a yard short. Maybe to be expected coming in mid season from the French league.

Last season under both coaches his absence always seemed a puzzling one with the likes of Luiz and McGinn regularly struggling. Ramsey was obviously being promoted and later under Gerrard it was Chucky who was often first on. Definitely a strange one and I wonder has it anything to do with a bit of a political power struggle between Lange and the head coach(es)? Sanson was a Lange value for money type signing as opposed to likes of Barkley and Coutinho which were very much coach driven.
Just speculative on my part here, but maybe:
- Deano says he needs a second McGinn-type midfielder.  Sanson's identified and brought in.
- We play him a bit.  He's clearly not up to speed at that point (to be expected), so used sparingly with the intention of bringing him in more the following season
- Joe leaves, we don't have a direct replacement, so we end up trying to find a new style to play without him.
- 2021/22 season, we're in disarray to begin with, Deano's massively under pressure and doesn't want to risk playing a player he doesn't know well, in a brand new system.
- Deano sacked, Gerrard in.  Sanson isn't Gerrard's player, and for whatever reason Gerrard doesn't trust Sanson.

I mean, I'm almost certainly a million miles off there - but to me, there's at least the possibility that Sanson has come to the club at just the wrong moment - he was brought under the assumption of a 4-5-1 with Joe playing in the side ... but before he's got up to speed we've changed formation, then changed manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 31, 2022, 12:47:09 PM
Waiting until tonight’s result to decide whether to back him tomorrow or sack him.

It would be typical Villa to go there and get a result to paper over the enormous cracks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on August 31, 2022, 12:52:27 PM
Waiting until tonight’s result to decide whether to back him tomorrow or sack him.

It would be typical Villa to go there and get a result to paper over the enormous cracks.

Yep, I reckon we'll nick a point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on August 31, 2022, 12:55:50 PM
SG getting really desperate now as he has said that, as supporters, we need to realise that after 27 games last season we were 9th in the league. What has that got to do with what’s happened since. It’s like saying we took the lead in most matches but eventually lost!
Yeah - at 10 o'clock I was funny and people thought I was the life and soul of the party

Its now 6am, I am wearing soiled clothes, I'm still drunk and it hurts to open my eyes.  The people on the bus I am driving arent happy either. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 01:05:31 PM
Remember when Ratboy left to play in the Champions League and Dean Smith said we were 18 months away from that level? The Championship looks more likely at this point.




At the time Dean probably didn't expect the cutting, self sufficient model to start. Probably what got him the Norwich job "Don't worry Delia, I've worked in these conditions before"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 01:06:49 PM
Still getting the notifications to buy the third kit though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on August 31, 2022, 01:06:56 PM
SG getting really desperate now as he has said that, as supporters, we need to realise that after 27 games last season we were 9th in the league. What has that got to do with what’s happened since. It’s like saying we took the lead in most matches but eventually lost!
Yeah - at 10 o'clock I was funny and people thought I was the life and soul of the party

Its now 6am, I am wearing soiled clothes, I'm still drunk and it hurts to open my eyes.  The people on the bus I am driving arent happy either.
Still - they say what you don't see, can't hurt you ... so no real need to open your eyes :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2022, 01:09:51 PM
Remember when Ratboy left to play in the Champions League and Dean Smith said we were 18 months away from that level? The Championship looks more likely at this point.
At the time Dean probably didn't expect the cutting, self sufficient model to start. Probably what got him the Norwich job "Don't worry Delia, I've worked in these conditions before"
???
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2022, 01:11:45 PM
The Sanson saga is puzzling in the extreme, the only thing I can think of, and its a stretch, is that there is a large appearance-based payment due if he plays one more time for us. Wiki says he's played 19 times in the league, maybe we have to pay Marseille a few quid at 20 league appearances. After being heavily involved in pre-season and to my mind performing well, it is very strange that he has been ostracized especially given the problems in midfield.
On a different topic, whilst watching the presser it was evident how Gerrard's demeanor has changed and he looked like shit. Clearly feeling the pressure and knows he's in trouble.
I can't imagine that this scenario wouldn't have been factored into the finances, so I think you're way off the mark on this one.
You're right - he looks crap (as did Bruce, you'll recall, just before his cabbage moment).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 01:13:25 PM
According to reports here (Benfica interest), PSG are willing to loan out with an option to buy, Abdou Diallo. Seems a no brainer for us to take him at least for the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on August 31, 2022, 01:20:51 PM
Wonder if Luiz and Sanson depart whether we’ll tap up Chelsea for a loan move.

Conor Gallagher for a Barkley-esque fee. Though more likely Ruben Loftus Cheek.

Then one of the CBs being mentioned in recent days either on loan or on a short term contract.

That’s backing Gerrard without really going mad. Understandable, in light of recent events.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Wonder if Luiz and Sanson depart whether we’ll tap up Chelsea for a loan move.

Conor Gallagher for a Barkley-esque fee. Though more likely Ruben Loftus Cheek.

Then one of the CBs being mentioned in recent days either on loan or on a short term contract.

That’s backing Gerrard without really going mad. Understandable, in light of recent events.

I can see the above happening; let's face it, Chelsea owe Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2022, 01:31:04 PM
Tielemans  - bid from mystery club apparently if the gossip on BBC is ever to be believed....could it be us?

Sky reporting that its Arsenal, but this bit below has me scratching my head. At that price we should crowdfund it!

Quote
Sky Sports News understands Leicester would be prepared to sell him on Deadline Day, if a buyer was prepared to meet their £25m valuation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 01:39:09 PM
I’d like to think that we have things in place with regards to outgoings and incomings. I just can’t see us allowing a few to leave without any coming in. If we don’t have either then I’d suggest the powers that be believe the squad is good enough and it’s the manager/coaches who need to step up.
I don’t think we are run by idiots and they’ve not let us down so far so we should wait and see what the state of play is when the deadline is upon us.
Like most of us I do think we need a few in but surely there comes a point when we have to make sure a few leave before we act. Maybe the talk of a few leaving is correct and then we’ll announce a few in. We’ve always done our business under the radar and I’m just hoping this is what we are doing.
I certainly don’t think we’ve been lied to as has been suggested and I definitely won’t be laying into our owners any time soon. What I would say is that I hope they have their fingers on the button ready to act if we don’t pick anything up from our next 2 games.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2022, 01:41:17 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 01:43:20 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Simon Dawkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 01:44:24 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 01:45:09 PM
Was it Dawkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 01:45:38 PM
Anyway, my money is on the return of the deadline busting Tom Cleverley
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on August 31, 2022, 01:46:22 PM
That's the fella! Sign him up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 01:46:53 PM
Alright, he's been named three times now. Can we move on and forget he ever happened ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 01:50:49 PM
That's it now, a monster will appear and rip any hope for the new season from you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on August 31, 2022, 01:58:55 PM
Almost certainly complete and utter bollocks, but seeing a lot of smoke of Tielemans to Villa.

Cannot see this happening for the life of me, but even he would turn to shit under this shambles. No amount of strengthening will make a difference until the manager is dispensed with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2022, 02:03:21 PM
Conor Gallagher for a Barkley-esque fee. Though more likely Ruben Loftus Cheek.

Loftus-Cheek has played every Chelsea match this season.

That doesn't scream "loan him out"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 31, 2022, 02:11:10 PM
Probably why they only have 7 points from 15 . Awful player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 02:26:24 PM
Telemans would be potentially fantastic. Where are these links coming from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on August 31, 2022, 02:38:47 PM
Telemans - would be fantastic, but he will have far better options than to sign for us

We are not a very attractive proposition at the moment

It is so disheartening and the season has only just started.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 31, 2022, 02:40:47 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on August 31, 2022, 02:41:42 PM
Zero chance of Tielemans, no smoke at all. Apart from a few kids on Twitter.

Like he would give up European football and a massive pay hike for us. 😂
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 02:45:38 PM
Zero chance of Tielemans, no smoke at all. Apart from a few kids on Twitter.

Like he would give up European football and a massive pay hike for us. 😂

Especially to play full back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on August 31, 2022, 03:00:52 PM
Telemans - would be fantastic, but he will have far better options than to sign for us

We are not a very attractive proposition at the moment

It is so disheartening and the season has only just started.

That's the worry really.  Any potential new recruits will be looking at our poor form, the fact the manager who signed them might well be gone within a few weeks and just the general negative vibes associated with the club at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 03:01:35 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.




Most villa thing ever


On 3 December, Jenas started his first game for Villa against Manchester United. While playing, he tripped over his own feet and suffered a ruptured Achilles tendon injury
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2022, 03:08:16 PM
No rumours, not a peep, diddly squat, zilch, nada sweet fanny adams.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on August 31, 2022, 03:10:49 PM
No rumours, not a peep, diddly squat, zilch, nada sweet fanny adams.

Not true, actually: Elmohamady is heading back here to work as a coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 03:10:59 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on August 31, 2022, 03:12:47 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.
We literally are a graveyard club
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2022, 03:15:22 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.

Surely when you factor in loan fee + transfer fee we made a profit on Targett?

Even if it was only a small one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2022, 03:21:08 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.

Thanks Lange. Scour Europe to unearth hidden gems and let them move on for a profit if they are too good for our project.

His analytics and number crunching produced Sanson, solely identified by Lange. How's that going?

This bit of information is an absolute disgrace when you see Leicester, Brighton, Brentford, etc. do it so easily.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 31, 2022, 03:21:33 PM
Pretty sure we made about 500k on Sinclair to Celtic. Either way, its a bit naff.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 03:21:51 PM
Hard to know for sure with undisclosed fees, but reported figures suggest we made a profit on Targett. Possibly Sinclair as well. It's slim pickings though even if they both count.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 03:22:38 PM
I snooze, I lose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on August 31, 2022, 03:30:29 PM
It’s quite stark to see it laid out like that.  It kind of confirm that for a decade we have signed  players that aren’t ever good enough to go up a level.  Probably massively skewed by the fact we got relegated too (players on big wages who can’t go up a level and don’t want to be sold without compensation.  Shows how utterly shit it is for clubs like us to be relegated. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2022, 03:40:48 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.

Matt Targett?
Scott Sinclair?
Leandro Bacuna?

Not a great list I grant but I thought we made a profit, if only a bit, on all of them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on August 31, 2022, 03:42:36 PM
That's how dead it is, were discussing if we made a tenner on Scott Sinclair years ago rather than potential incomings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2022, 03:42:57 PM
Every fucker on Twitter is an ITK right now
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on August 31, 2022, 03:46:07 PM
Every fucker on Twitter is an ITK right now

It's like Halloween for raving narcissists.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2022, 03:55:34 PM
Every fucker on Twitter is an ITK right now

It's like Halloween for raving narcissists.

All of a sudden these pricks with no evidence from the last that they had advanced knowledge of what is going on, come out with “OMG you’ll never believe it” statements begging for followers and likes. And if there is one thing we know is Villa very, very rarely let anything slip, catching out even the most reputable of journalists.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on August 31, 2022, 04:01:27 PM
Every fucker on Twitter is an ITK right now

Tomorrow is delete yer tweets day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2022, 04:09:35 PM
It does my head in how they appear in your feed in the first place. It’s nearly as bad as Piers Morgan or Farage appearing there, or that twat Pearce from the Mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on August 31, 2022, 04:10:38 PM
Just as well all those kids will be back at school next week!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on August 31, 2022, 04:16:04 PM
It does my head in how they appear in your feed in the first place. It’s nearly as bad as Piers Morgan or Farage appearing there, or that twat Pearce from the Mail.
You need to look at more bikini pictures or porn and the algorithm will sort it out so that's what  you'll predominately see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on August 31, 2022, 04:16:45 PM
Sorry Paul.S, we maybe haven’t been lied to directly but, what we were promised when the season tickets went on sale and, what we have actually ended up with is chalk and cheese. I’ve had a season ticket for longer than I can remember and, promises made pre season and what we actually end up with seems to be quite constant. In particular, this window has been absolute crap.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Monty on August 31, 2022, 04:17:31 PM
It does my head in how they appear in your feed in the first place. It’s nearly as bad as Piers Morgan or Farage appearing there, or that twat Pearce from the Mail.
You need to look at more bikini pictures or porn and the algorithm will sort it out so that's what  you'll predominately see.

Perhaps there's a shortage of horny MILFS desperate for a good time in his area.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2022, 04:18:03 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.

Targett, Sinclair, Chukuemeka.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on August 31, 2022, 04:19:09 PM
It does my head in how they appear in your feed in the first place. It’s nearly as bad as Piers Morgan or Farage appearing there, or that twat Pearce from the Mail.
You need to look at more bikini pictures or porn and the algorithm will sort it out so that's what  you'll predominately see.

Really? I must have typed in the word c*nts at some point then!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 04:19:46 PM
Man city bringing in a defender for just £17 million. Fair play to them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 04:22:46 PM
It does my head in how they appear in your feed in the first place. It’s nearly as bad as Piers Morgan or Farage appearing there, or that twat Pearce from the Mail.
You need to look at more bikini pictures or porn and the algorithm will sort it out so that's what  you'll predominately see.

Really? I must have typed in the word c*nts at some point then!

That's why you have to be careful when you search for porn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 04:25:45 PM
This window has been like Christmas in a way.

Mum & Dad "We've got you something really special thus year. Well even let you open it early on Christmas eve"

Opens presents 'Wow... we got a couple of bits from poundland and the big present needs batteries so you won't be using that for a while"


Then when it's later on actually Christmas day you see what all your pals have got.

"I've got fifa and a brand new PS5. Hold on.....aren't you're parents super rich in comparison to mine?"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 04:27:59 PM
"... well they did buy a car as well but I can't use that for 6months so I'm going to pretend it doesn't exist".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on August 31, 2022, 04:29:32 PM
To put our transfer window spending in context.

Villa - fees paid
Carlos £29m
Coutinho: £18m
Olsen: £3m
Total: £50m

Chelsea - who finished 3rd last season 19pts behind City:
Sterling £51m
Fofana £78m
Koulibaly £34m
Cucurella £58m
Chuckwuemeka £20m
Slonina £8m
And they're negotiating for Gvardiol @£70m+
Total £320m

We're shopping at Poundland in comparison.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 04:36:35 PM
To put our transfer window spending in context.

Villa - fees paid
Carlos £29m
Coutinho: £18m
Olsen: £3m
Total: £50m

Chelsea - who finished 3rd last season 19pts behind City:
Sterling £51m
Fofana £78m
Koulibaly £34m
Cucurella £58m
Chuckwuemeka £20m
Slonina £8m
And they're negotiating for Gvardiol @£70m+
Total £320m

We're shopping at Poundland in comparison.



The concern isn't even this.. its the ones directly above us that are pulling away as they contimue to invest. Don't worry, I'm sure we'll catch them as I continue with my "stupid" opinion. Better posters than me have reassured that everything is groovy for European push, we have a team that can jump these 7 places, only time will show.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 04:36:48 PM
What's Chelsea's net spend? Include loan fees too please (i.e they haven't given Lukaku away for nowt).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 31, 2022, 04:37:36 PM

Anwar El Ghazi @elghazi1995

First of all I want to say THANK YOU  @AVFCOfficial   and their supporters for the amazing 4 years and the opportunity to play for this fantastic club.

I will never forget the beautiful moments I have had here. 31-05-2019 is one of them.. one of the best days of my life (1/3)

Nice guy hope he does well
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 04:38:11 PM
Skerra, I honestly can’t remember what we were told upon renewing season tickets. All I remember when the owners arrived was that they had aspirations for us to compete at the top end of this league. Like most of us, I just renew out of loyalty and habit like I have done for over 40 years.
I do remember the owners saying that eventually we’d have to become a self sustainable club but that they would invest initially.
I think I‘ve heard it all before though and wouldn’t take any notice of any promises anyway. Actions speak louder than words and so far these owners have invested heavily in the first team, the youth set up and the plans for Villa Park.
What I do remember is Gerrard saying we’d be very excited with the new players they’d been looking to bring in. I’m yet to be excited but live in hope we’ll surprise a few in the next 24 hours or so. As I said maybe we’ll sell a few and bring a few in before the window closes. If not I will be concerned  as this squad will not move us forward. The only thing we can replace then is the coach.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2022, 04:39:19 PM
What's Chelsea's net spend? Include loan fees too please (i.e they haven't given Lukaku away for nowt).

£20m for Werner, £15m for Emerson, £7m for Lukaku, subtracted from the above.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 04:39:39 PM
To put our transfer window spending in context.

Villa - fees paid
Carlos £29m
Coutinho: £18m
Olsen: £3m
Total: £50m

Chelsea - who finished 3rd last season 19pts behind City:
Sterling £51m
Fofana £78m
Koulibaly £34m
Cucurella £58m
Chuckwuemeka £20m
Slonina £8m
And they're negotiating for Gvardiol @£70m+
Total £320m

We're shopping at Poundland in comparison.



Put this in to context again that two of those three were with us in our push for 14th, all them Chelsea, Newcastle, west ham and wolves signings are in addition to their squads that finished above us. Oh and third one is out for the season but it's him signing that counts, not the fact he won't be able to contribute anything this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Londonvilla on August 31, 2022, 04:40:22 PM

Anwar El Ghazi @elghazi1995

First of all I want to say THANK YOU  @AVFCOfficial   and their supporters for the amazing 4 years and the opportunity to play for this fantastic club.

I will never forget the beautiful moments I have had here. 31-05-2019 is one of them.. one of the best days of my life (1/3)

Nice guy hope he does well

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 04:40:29 PM

Anwar El Ghazi @elghazi1995

First of all I want to say THANK YOU  @AVFCOfficial   and their supporters for the amazing 4 years and the opportunity to play for this fantastic club.

I will never forget the beautiful moments I have had here. 31-05-2019 is one of them.. one of the best days of my life (1/3)

Nice guy hope he does well



God bless him. Thank you anwar
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on August 31, 2022, 04:42:25 PM
I'm going mental here trying to think of the name of the lad we brought in on the last day of a window from Spurs. Pretty sure it was a loan. Can anyone help? It was during the long doldrum years under Lambert or McLeish.

Anyway, whoever he was, I think we should get him back. He knows the club.

Wasn't it Simon Dawkins?

Eleven years ago today we signed Jermaine Jenas on loan from Spurs. McLeish would have been manager then I think.

We signed Benteke, Hutton and Abraham on this day too.


Oh and from Villa Analytics on Twitter....

Today marks 10 years since Aston Villa last signed a player that was later sold for a profit as both Ashley Westwood and Christian Benteke joined the club.

In that time 68 players have joined, 48 of which have already left. Not one for more than we paid. £590m spent, £420m net.

Targett, Sinclair, Chukuemeka.

Checkdd on Transfermrkt: Chukwuemeka came into the youth set up  as a 12 year old, he hardly counts. Sinclair was right, it appears we made £500k, and Targett was £14m and sold for £15.75. Bacuna was £90k profit.

So yes, we've made £3m on senior players. How dare I share such spurious nonsense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2022, 04:46:33 PM
Gonna do anything positive Villa?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on August 31, 2022, 04:47:39 PM
Tielemans is available .... just sayin'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 04:53:38 PM
It's all OK. Dawson, Tielemans, Lucas Maura and more will sign tomorrow.

Or... They won't. And we'll be a bit fucked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 04:57:58 PM
Tielemans is available .... just sayin'.

Who would you prefer Tielemans or Lucas Moura of Spurs.
As Moura is a considered option.
Tielemans can play 6 and 8 good in possession and passing.

Or the pacey but more of a wide player and attacking midfielder.
Gives us an option if we actually played 4-3-3
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 05:09:34 PM
Both are very different, we would need both.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on August 31, 2022, 05:23:28 PM
If we buy Moura at least he can not have his game of the season against us
If we had a plan it seems  it was a crap one
All very uninspiring
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 05:30:28 PM
Tielemans is a far better fit than Moura. We are already struggling to 'fit' Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey into the side where he plays and I suspect McGinn and Ramsey are perfectly fine as cover for those more attacking positions as well, if they're being used correctly and the tactics aren't hamstringing them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on August 31, 2022, 05:31:08 PM
Change tactics, play wingers. Works for me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on August 31, 2022, 05:32:03 PM
Change tactics, play wingers. Works for me.

Well yes, but even then Moura isn't really a winger, we'd have bene better off carrying on with Sarr if that was an option.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 05:36:27 PM
Sarr made sense. Pacey, direct, exciting, could genuinely play in a different way. Moura... Not sure. Might please the next manager thigh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 05:37:16 PM
Conor Gallagher for a Barkley-esque fee. Though more likely Ruben Loftus Cheek.

Loftus-Cheek has played every Chelsea match this season.

That doesn't scream "loan him out"
Yes my Chelsea contact says neither will be sold.
CG may be loaned but definitely not sold
It depends what business they do regards CG going out
He's adamant they are going to get a major statement signing
And especially the poor form and the other top 6 team doing big business.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on August 31, 2022, 05:37:24 PM
Sarr made sense. Pacey, direct, exciting, could genuinely play in a different way. Moura... Not sure. Might please the next manager thigh.

Right thigh or left thigh?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2022, 05:37:27 PM
Both are very different, we would need both.

Both would be amazing. Two really tremendous players. Youri and Moura that is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 05:39:24 PM
Sarr made sense. Pacey, direct, exciting, could genuinely play in a different way. Moura... Not sure. Might please the next manager thigh.

Moura is the option if Spurs bring in Dan James from Leeds.
Leeds want to sign Cody Gakpro as replacement
Chelsea players are option for us once they do a bit of business
All loans there though for Moura or any Chelsea players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 05:40:15 PM
Right thigh.

In all seriousness though, Tielemans will end up at Newcastle and I can't see us getting Moura.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 05:43:39 PM
Both are very different, we would need both.

Both would be amazing. Two really tremendous players. Youri and Moura that is.
Agree. Those 2 would be most welcome.
SG looking to shift 3 players out though.
Hopefully not Bailey!
Hopefully El Ghazi was one so that would leave 2...
Haven't seen or heard anything about Leander Dendoncker as he's available from Wolves and he can cover defence and midfield. Other clubs are moving in on him. But wouldn't put it past us to try for him.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 31, 2022, 05:45:41 PM
Right thigh.

In all seriousness though, Tielemans will end up at Newcastle and I can't see us getting Moura.

That would be a loan for Moura depending on what happens regards Spurs and Leeds incomings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2022, 05:47:33 PM
Maura makes perfect sense as he played his best football under Poch 😉
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 31, 2022, 05:51:22 PM
Come on Villa, I’m running out of excuses why I’m staring open-mouthed at that Melissa on SSN. No idea what she’s saying, but she’s saying it wonderfully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on August 31, 2022, 05:58:27 PM
Maura makes perfect sense as he played his best football under Poch 😉
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This 🙏🏻
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 06:00:14 PM
Maura makes perfect sense as he played his best football under Poch 😉

Moura is 30 and has only been playing a bit part for Spurs, normally coming off the bench. He's a wonderful player but his best days are behind him. We can't become a senior home for aging Brazilians.

At least Poch would stand a chance of convincing Emi Martinez to stay beyond next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 31, 2022, 06:01:20 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JB1811 on August 31, 2022, 06:02:47 PM
Maura is a very similar player to Bailey, who we cant seem to fit into the team.  We need a proper number 9, and a big unit in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2022, 06:04:40 PM
Short term Moura is excellent and under used. But like all our forwards we need to get him the ball. And fuck me lets not Scott Hogan him and keep pumping the ball long down the wing. We have to play to the abilities and strengths of the players we have and we have shown we don’t do that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 06:07:29 PM
On loan maybe, we don't need more milk bottle signings though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2022, 06:07:40 PM
Right thigh.

In all seriousness though, Tielemans will end up at Newcastle and I can't see us getting Moura.


This is the most depressing thing.  It was supposed to be our turn with super rich owners then these fuckers came and gazumped us.  Even then, we should have had a years head start on them but they recruited Howe and we got Gerrard. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on August 31, 2022, 06:08:44 PM
Moura is an excellent player.  Not exactly our position of greatest need though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Border villan on August 31, 2022, 06:10:51 PM
Tick tock, tick …
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 06:12:31 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

Coutinho has only been 30 for just over 2 months but he came off on Sunday with cramp.
That said, Luka Modrić will be 37 next week, a similar type of player to Moura.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2022, 06:14:19 PM
Luka Modric is a similar player to Moura??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 31, 2022, 06:14:59 PM
Maura makes perfect sense as he played his best football under Poch 😉

Wouldn't be keen on Moura, but Maura Higgins.....I could live with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 06:17:33 PM
Luka Modric is a similar player to Moura??

Both technically superb players, similar stature, always looking the thread a ball through, Modric is on another level but Moura can also be a joy to watch.

EDIT: As nothing else is happening on on transfers, boring stat of the day; Coutinho, Moura and Luka Modrić are all the same height, 172cm/5ft 8 in. Beat that!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 06:18:50 PM
On loan maybe, we don't need more milk bottle signings though.

Milk bottle  ???
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 31, 2022, 06:20:12 PM
On loan maybe, we don't need more milk bottle signings though.

Milk bottle  ???

You don't get any money back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2022, 06:20:36 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

He 30 until he’s 31. That’s how it works.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 06:25:32 PM
Right thigh.

In all seriousness though, Tielemans will end up at Newcastle and I can't see us getting Moura.

That would be a loan for Moura depending on what happens regards Spurs and Leeds incomings.

As you said in your previous posts. Not sure whether a loan or buy makes much difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 06:26:03 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

He 30 until he’s 31. That’s how it works.

Unless he never reaches 31. That’s also how it works.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2022, 06:30:57 PM
Luka Modric is a similar player to Moura??

Both technically superb players, similar stature, always looking the thread a ball through, Modric is on another level but Moura can also be a joy to watch.

EDIT: As nothing else is happening on on transfers, boring stat of the day; Coutinho, Moura and Luka Modrić are all the same height, 172cm/5ft 8 in. Beat that!

I’d say they in completely different ways - maybe I’ve missed something with Moura!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on August 31, 2022, 06:32:15 PM
Luka Modric is a similar player to Moura??

I suppose their names aren't too dissimilar.  Maybe he means that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2022, 06:39:10 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

He 30 until he’s 31. That’s how it works.

Unless he never reaches 31. That’s also how it works.

I was trying to be funny by referencing that famous tweet between 2 Arsenal fans. Looks like it was lost lol
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on August 31, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
On loan maybe, we don't need more milk bottle signings though.

Milk bottle  ???

You don't get any money back.

I like it! Right on, man!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 31, 2022, 06:55:27 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

He 30 until he’s 31. That’s how it works.

Unless he never reaches 31. That’s also how it works.

I was trying to be funny by referencing that famous tweet between 2 Arsenal fans. Looks like it was lost lol

Sorry, Dave. I'm sure somebody, somewhere laughed, if not today maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2022, 07:05:49 PM
I wonder if the club are going to sneak in Romeu from Soton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 31, 2022, 07:11:06 PM
Inquired about Conor Gallagher apparently along with Moura
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on August 31, 2022, 07:16:21 PM
Inquired about Conor Gallagher apparently along with Moura

Both good players that would improve us. Rather not have loans though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on August 31, 2022, 07:25:09 PM
He’s only been 30 for two weeks.

He 30 until he’s 31. That’s how it works.

Unless he never reaches 31. That’s also how it works.

I was trying to be funny by referencing that famous tweet between 2 Arsenal fans. Looks like it was lost lol

Sorry, Dave. I'm sure somebody, somewhere laughed, if not today maybe tomorrow.

I made myself laugh. That’s the important thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 31, 2022, 07:43:13 PM
Inquired about Conor Gallagher apparently along with Moura

Nothing like leaving it to the last minute.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 09:23:37 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/CsXTx78/510-MG9328-KL-AC-SY445.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CsXTx78)




Whole new meaning to heroes and villains. The team needscserious help.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on August 31, 2022, 09:35:50 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/CsXTx78/510-MG9328-KL-AC-SY445.jpg) (https://ibb.co/CsXTx78)

I like a sneaky clue.

Adomah!




Whole new meaning to heroes and villains. The team needscserious help.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OzVilla on August 31, 2022, 10:31:24 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on August 31, 2022, 10:39:12 PM
We’ll soon see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on August 31, 2022, 10:41:54 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?



"A couple of loan signings Del, that will do it".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2022, 10:51:56 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?



"A couple of loan signings Del, that will do it".

Super yawn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on August 31, 2022, 10:54:50 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?



"A couple of loan signings Del, that will do it".

You have been banging this drum constantly for days, in fact it feels like weeks, on several threads.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 10:58:00 PM
It seems worryingly quiet on the ins front.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2022, 11:00:35 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?

Quite. It's like a defeat is someone is indicative that signing Kamara on a free is bad business or not showing enough commitment to progressing the club. Maybe if we'd have spent £40/50m on him instead, some people would be happier.


"A couple of loan signings Del, that will do it".

You have been banging this drum constantly for days, in fact it feels like weeks, on several threads.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on August 31, 2022, 11:01:20 PM
It seems worryingly quiet on the ins front.

Only thing I’ve seen is Dawson making a decision between us and Wolves, but will only leave if WHam sign Bednarek.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on August 31, 2022, 11:02:39 PM
I wonder if the club are going to sneak in Romeu from Soton.

Would not be a bad signing given our current situation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on August 31, 2022, 11:04:50 PM
I wonder if the club are going to sneak in Romeu from Soton.

Would not be a bad signing given our current situation.

Seems to fit the current profile and he's available.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on August 31, 2022, 11:08:19 PM
These quote fails are hilarious.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on August 31, 2022, 11:25:14 PM
Dawson apparently going to Wolves and Bednarek to West Ham
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on August 31, 2022, 11:49:31 PM
What must NSWE think of this chaos we’ve caused ourselves?

They're the owners, the buck stops with them in the final analysis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 12:01:05 AM
Linked now with Dendoncker from the dog heads.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 12:16:54 AM
Belgian International right? They've been the beat team in the world on paper not grass for the last decade.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2022, 12:17:47 AM
If we only end up with Dendonker and Moura on loan then something has gone very very wrong. 4th richest owners in the league WTF.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 12:50:50 AM
Diallo off to RB Leipzig
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 01:02:21 AM
If we only end up with Dendonker and Moura on loan then something has gone very very wrong. 4th richest owners in the league WTF.

A step up from Hutton and Jenas at least.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2022, 03:06:31 AM
If we only end up with Dendonker and Moura on loan then something has gone very very wrong. 4th richest owners in the league WTF.

Get them in anyway. Something for the new bloke to work with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on September 01, 2022, 04:47:28 AM
The owners can see what we can, that the guy needs to go, they will have to have a big kitty for any new manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 05:24:23 AM
My gut feeling is our owners are holding back funds for a new manager in the next two windows. Not an ideal situation considering the circumstances but it’s where we find ourselves. The current squad is not playing to the sum of its parts, and a new manager will need to assess the squad before deciding on any further transfer activity both in and out. Surely an experienced manager worthy of the job title would be able to get a tune out of this squad?!

This is simply based on my expectations of the owners having been made aware of how things have progressed pre-season and decisions being made by the management team, and may explain the lack of transfer activity in recent weeks. It’s clear that there is something rotten in Denmark, so if they hadn’t seen this coming then this theory is total bolx, and the lack of any awareness would be as equally alarming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 06:05:29 AM
Any one expect that a few hours before the window closes, we are going to bring in the level of players that are going to turn our season around?
No, nor me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PhilVill on September 01, 2022, 06:14:54 AM
Why would you spend large sums of money on the wants of what is a dead man walking? I would much rather have a new experienced manager and a new CEO to steady the ship. The best news today would be the end of Purslow and Gerrard with a statement acknowledging that theres been a large cock up but that the owners are committed to putting it right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2022, 06:20:44 AM
Listening to WM before the game last night and Gary Thompson said that generally if you signing players on transfer deadline day then you are desperate (which we are) and the players are the dreggs that no one else wants!

I would imagine Dendoncker will be ours by the end of the day
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 06:22:06 AM
Rhymes with Plonker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 01, 2022, 06:42:53 AM
September 1st and hoping to stay up 🤔
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 06:45:01 AM
I'm resigned to us going down. I don't see us turning it round, we are a total shambles at the moment and so easy to score against.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Olof's Beard on September 01, 2022, 06:56:37 AM
I doubt many players are queuing up to join this shit show at the moment, we are probably finding it difficult to secure targets. I am not expecting much today and feck knows what we do then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 06:57:26 AM
This is rather underwhelming, is a Wolves reserve in Dendonker really going to help us? What is going on? We’e into the last day and the one player seemingly put forward by our recruitment team nearly went through until Gerrard got involved. He’s running the show now, this is very much like the MON years but without a bit of fun along the way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 07:08:22 AM
The owners can see what we can, that the guy needs to go, they will have to have a big kitty for any new manager.




Don't agree with this. Firstly, they would have acted and secondly we have a DOF so the signings should be irrelevant no matter the manager. They cocked up big time, aa I said before I saw straight through these from last summer. Everyone makes mistakes, the right thing to do is to either back the manager today 4 £30 million signings today (2 central defenders and 2 central midfielders) or publicly state that the ambitions have been reevaluate and staying up is now a priority due to b their neglect.

They will do neither of course, its much easier to the let the manager take the flack, just look at the response on here if one or two dare question them but the above is exactly what needs to happen.

We've got blood out of a stone for too long now (mings, Watkins, cash, konsa, ramsey, mcginn - all championship players) they just can't give anymore while the quality around us in the league is just increasing. They should have acted sooner snd they didn't..... distinct lack of knowledge in running a football club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 07:09:07 AM
The owners can see what we can, that the guy needs to go, they will have to have a big kitty for any new manager.




Don't agree with this. Firstly, they would have acted and secondly we have a DOF so the signings should be irrelevant no matter the manager. They cocked up big time, aa I said before I saw straight through these from last summer. Everyone makes mistakes, the right thing to do is to either back the manager today 4 £30 million signings today (2 central defenders and 2 central midfielders) or publicly state that the ambitions have been reevaluate and staying up is now a priority due to b their neglect.

They will do neither of course, its much easier to the let the manager take the flack, just look at the response on here if one or two dare question them but the above is exactly what needs to happen.

We've got blood out of a stone for too long now (mings, Watkins, cash, konsa, ramsey, mcginn - all championship players) they just can't give anymore while the quality around us in the league is just increasing. They should have acted sooner snd they didn't..... distinct lack of knowledge in running a football club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2022, 07:15:46 AM
Sarr made sense. Pacey, direct, exciting, could genuinely play in a different way. Moura... Not sure. Might please the next manager thigh.

Moura is the option if Spurs bring in Dan James from Leeds.
Leeds want to sign Cody Gakpro as replacement
Chelsea players are option for us once they do a bit of business
All loans there though for Moura or any Chelsea players.

I haven't got any contacts in Chelsea, but I have the number for a gak pro in Battersea. Lovely bloke, in a scary way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2022, 07:20:04 AM
Belgian International right? They've been the beat team in the world on paper not grass for the last decade.

Belgium or Wolves?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 07:28:23 AM
What a truly depressing window.

ONE new player om the pitch from last season and the club expect us to be pushing for Europe?

It's a complete mess
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 07:36:02 AM
I was so optimistic in the summer.

I am a bit shell shocked at hot it all went to shit when Gerrard changed the captain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 07:44:05 AM
So with Wolves signing Dawson (£5.2m seems a very decent deal) and West Ham signing Bednarek, where is our mythical centre half going to appear from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2022, 07:44:40 AM
So with Wolves signing Dawson (£5.2m seems a very decent deal) and West Ham signing Bednarek, where is our mythical centre half going to appear from?

Simon Dawkins?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 07:49:28 AM
We are fucked aren't we. We really are. After all the hard work, this chancer has bollocksed up good and proper. The next manager is going to have some job on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Shrek on September 01, 2022, 07:49:29 AM
The owners can see what we can, that the guy needs to go, they will have to have a big kitty for any new manager.

This is my worry, I don’t think they do. Do they have a clue about football? They’ve let Purslow free reign with his vanity project. We are now in a situation that when Gerrard is inevitably sacked, the next manager will have a disjointed, unbalanced squad with only 30 games of a season left.
We are in big big trouble
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 07:55:31 AM
If we don’t pull a couple of good deals out of the hat today then the questions will be asked of Lange & Purslow not so much Gerrard….with the uncertainty around Gerrard they should be buying players for the clubs future not just to suit Gerrard.

I’d say 2 today is a bare minimum, ideally 3 and 3 that we haven’t been linked with to give us some invigoration…have a horrible feeling for a panic loan at 10.30pm like Carroll & Dawkins were
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 01, 2022, 07:58:10 AM
We are fucked aren't we. We really are. After all the hard work, this chancer has bollocksed up good and proper. The next manager is going to have some job on.
Yup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2022, 08:02:58 AM
If we don’t pull a couple of good deals out of the hat today then the questions will be asked of Lange & Purslow not so much Gerrard….with the uncertainty around Gerrard they should be buying players for the clubs future not just to suit Gerrard.

I’d say 2 today is a bare minimum, ideally 3 and 3 that we haven’t been linked with to give us some invigoration…have a horrible feeling for a panic loan at 10.30pm like Carroll & Dawkins were

The recruitment element has always been slightly unclear and it is one thing that can't solely be laid at Gerrard's door. The final say element isn't necessarily so clear here. Take Sarr; Gerrard had said that he, Lange and Purslow had to all give the green light. Maybe it wasn't Gerrard who pulled the plug with the move, unless I missed something? It's the same with some outs. Gerrard might have asked for an upgrade in certain position and the club have then said that sales have to happen first. But the manager will always want to have a Nakamba or a Hause if the upgrade doesn't appear. It's not necessarily transparent. If you'd have asked Gerrard at the end of the window if he'd be happy to have lost Traore and Hause with no replacements, the answer will of course, be no.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on September 01, 2022, 08:09:40 AM
If a centre back, and nasty horrible bastard of a central midfielder don't come in then they may as well cancel plans for a new north stand. It won't be needed in the championship. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on September 01, 2022, 08:11:31 AM
Our poor start to the season is not going to help attract potential signings. An additional win at Bournemouth and a point elsewhere could have made all the difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on September 01, 2022, 08:27:40 AM
Our poor start to the season is not going to help attract potential signings. An additional win at Bournemouth and a point elsewhere could have made all the difference.
Yes, the risk with waiting until the end of the window to complete your business is that you demonstrate the complete disparity between how you talk the talk and walk the walk within the first 5 games of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 09:03:57 AM
What do Lange and Purslow say to a prospective new player's representatives when they ask if Gerrard is likely to be sacked?

Be Billy Bullshitters and say "Nah, course not" or that regardless who our manager is, "we want you to be part of 'the project' and if you don't get on with a new manager or him with you, we'll put a clause in loaded in your favour" ?

The best Tesla salesman would struggle with our predicament today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 09:08:24 AM
Lack of signings effects a teams performance in more ways than one. The morale of team gets lower if they thing the club isn't pushing on, the team stands still, so players that have 3-2 years left on their contracts will then start having 2-1 and think why would I stay here (probably a casing point would be carney /Luiz?). If they want to run a self sustaining club that's fine, but you need to do it at a Brentford or lower league club, no club in Europe does it by being sustainable now and they certainly don't get there with that operation in place.


Stop selling rola cola and sticking coca cola on the label, people eventually won't buy it anymore. In the circumstances of said Rola cola customers through word of mouth would eventually stop going to that particular store.....the same will happen here. I will renew my ST but there are others whether we like it or not that won't be interested if we aren't competing, that's the nature, we saw it when we dropped.

This team just isn't good enough, it's needed significant investment that it hasn't received and yet people still try and say these players are good enough. All them players that were in the championship up until mid 20s plucked by us and start every week and we expect performances like Messi. We sold our golden goose, west ham, Newcastle, Palace and wolves have kept theirs and added to their squads that were already better than us as proved by the league positions last year!

I've was critised for labelling the owners the trotters and ill admit that was distasteful and disrespectful......there's no way the trotters would have sold people down the riverine this.


UTV and happy transfer deadline day or as we call ot Thursday
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 09:11:54 AM
Rich... Same post continuously, it is a one line agenda, and getting tiresome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 01, 2022, 09:27:33 AM
Reports we are back in for Sarr.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 09:38:29 AM
Presumably that would mean us throwing more money at him and them/loaning them Archer.

Watford said the other day that they wouldn't entertain further bids and wanted to tie him down to a new deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 09:42:08 AM
Reports we are back in for Sarr.

Christ almighty, really? If I was Watford I'd be sticking another £10m on the asking price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 09:45:53 AM
Reports we are back in for Sarr.

Christ almighty, really? If I was Watford I'd be sticking another £10m on the asking price.
They have and justified it by throwing in Troy Deeneys old jock strap.
The Jock strap to replace the Jock we have in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 09:46:30 AM
This is all one gigantic fuck up, none of them - owners, Purslow, Lange, Gerrard - are free of blame here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2022, 09:47:55 AM
Reports we are back in for Sarr.

Christ almighty, really? If I was Watford I'd be sticking another £10m on the asking price.

If Ponch' wants him......
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on September 01, 2022, 09:57:56 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 09:59:54 AM
Diallo joining Leipzig so that’s one off the list.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on September 01, 2022, 10:01:51 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)

Is he a 6? Can’t say I’ve ever really noticed him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2022, 10:03:12 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)

Is he a 6? Can’t say I’ve ever really noticed him.

Scored the winner against us in the home lockdown game I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on September 01, 2022, 10:04:35 AM
Let's not bother we've these panic signings. Put the £12m towards Pochettino's January war chest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 10:12:11 AM
Reports we are back in for Sarr.

Christ almighty, really? If I was Watford I'd be sticking another £10m on the asking price.

If Ponch' wants him......

That's so naughty and such a tease!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2022, 10:13:06 AM
Linked now with Dendoncker from the dog heads.

Clive?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2022, 10:14:58 AM
Why would you spend large sums of money on the wants of what is a dead man walking? I would much rather have a new experienced manager and a new CEO to steady the ship. The best news today would be the end of Purslow and Gerrard with a statement acknowledging that theres been a large cock up but that the owners are committed to putting it right.

get rid of the manager AND CEO to "steady the ship"?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 10:16:50 AM
There’s me dreaming of players like Neves from Wolves and we go for Dendonker! What a difference a month or so makes in our expectations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2022, 10:19:07 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)

Bit more of a physical option in midfield anyway. Not sure if he can play much though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 10:20:16 AM
Dendonker, Sarr and Culeta-Carr being linked. Sign all 3 and we will have done pretty damned well today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
I see yet another winger, Tyreik Wright sent on-loan to Bradford City. I know he's a youth player, but Gerrard seems to want to rid the club of wingers!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 10:24:08 AM
I see yet another winger, Tyreik Wright sent on-loan to Bradford City. I know he's a youth player, but Gerrard seems to want to rid the club of wingers!

There's a fair bit to have ago at Gerrard about. Sending a youth player out on loan is not one of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 01, 2022, 10:24:58 AM
Gerrard is clearly trying to emulate Klopp with two inside forwards either side of the main striker

I'm fine with that, but you need good players with pace and excellent technical ability in those positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on September 01, 2022, 10:30:26 AM
I really hope we've got enough time today to bring in some players.
I dread to think what position we'll be in when the next transfer window comes round if we don't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 10:39:09 AM
Dendonker, Sarr and Culeta-Carr being linked. Sign all 3 and we will have done pretty damned well today.

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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2022, 10:39:32 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)

Bit more of a physical option in midfield anyway. Not sure if he can play much though

He was excellent in Belgium - was a bit of a coup when Wolves got him. Actually wouldn't be too upset to have him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
The Fabrizio Romano fella mentioned Southampton, I think. And that Arsenal are pushing for Doug.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on September 01, 2022, 10:44:34 AM
This is all one gigantic fuck up, none of them - owners, Purslow, Lange, Gerrard - are free of blame here.

Yes. Which is really what concerns me. If it was "just" a failing manager, I'd have some hope. But we are failing as a club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 10:50:54 AM
Apparently Douglas leaving gathering pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 10:51:02 AM
I think we also need to remember that there will be a lot of rumours flying round today, some which will turn out to be true and some complete bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 10:51:30 AM
This is all one gigantic fuck up, none of them - owners, Purslow, Lange, Gerrard - are free of blame here.

Yes. Which is really what concerns me. If it was "just" a failing manager, I'd have some hope. But we are failing as a club.

We are in a state.

We need 3 decent players today regardless of the manager
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2022, 10:51:48 AM
Feels to me like we genuinely don't have a clue what we're doing.

Hopefully it's just a case of we've given too much power to Gerrard and he's typically f***ed up and things will revert back to normal under next coach.

Take midfield. We seem astounded a talented player in last 12 months of his contract is suddenly wanted by 4-5 clubs late on in the window. In last year we've just let Luiz contract slowly run down so only have ourselves to blame there.

It's like Carney stalling and then we're amazed he actually leaves. So two guys who could get plenty of minutes as an 8 this season are going and still we freeze Sanson out and want him gone!

All so McGinn can start game after game.

Bit bemused at lack of action at CB aswell. We started the season with 5 CBs so no issue. We're now down to 3 with Diego injury and Hause loaned out. And of course Gerrard has spent last month trying to provoke Mings into leaving so that's blown up in his face.

Perhaps we're gambling with season stopping in early November that we can get by with lack of options in key areas but you see West Ham wanting another CB when they already have about 5 on their books and we just don't seem interested in pushing on when other mid table clubs are.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on September 01, 2022, 10:56:33 AM
This is all one gigantic fuck up, none of them - owners, Purslow, Lange, Gerrard - are free of blame here.

Yes. Which is really what concerns me. If it was "just" a failing manager, I'd have some hope. But we are failing as a club.

We are in a state.

We need 3 decent players today regardless of the manager
I would prefer a decent manager with a decent coaching set up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2022, 10:56:46 AM
Hard to disagree with any of that.

Perhaps perspective new signings have to “look Gerrard in the eye” by having an extensive staring contest first and he’s so far unbeaten - which is more than you can say for his managerial career.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 11:09:49 AM
This window looks like a total fuck up. Panic signings ensue. Any claim of being an upwardly progressive club can be well and surely shoved up their arses now. We've kept a rookie manager with no track record and failed to plan for the window and/or departures properly.

We kept ourselves up with a huge amount of money and Grealish. Once it took a bit more nous to achieve further advancement we stalled dramatically, no brains behind the scenes. Lange, Purslow and Gerrard have been terrible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2022, 11:11:04 AM
Imagine no CB's in today. Hause gone on loan to Watford, why the club sanctioned that without a replacement lined up first beggars belief. Just no logic to the club's strategy at all. Worrying times.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Walmley_Villa on September 01, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
Hard to disagree with any of that.

Perhaps perspective new signings have to “look Gerrard in the eye” by having an extensive staring contest first and he’s so far unbeaten - which is more than you can say for his managerial career.

Bravo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on September 01, 2022, 11:15:49 AM
Gerrard is clearly trying to emulate Klopp with two inside forwards either side of the main striker

I'm fine with that, but you need good players with pace and excellent technical ability in those positions.

Their front three also press really hard from the front, we have likes of Bailey, Coutinho and Ings who are passengers without the ball. They miss Thiago badly at times as likes of Henderson and Milner aren't able to play on the half turn. The only player we have that looks comfortable turning quickly onto both feet is Sanson yet he has been bombed. Likes of McGinn are painfully unsuited to quick turns on the ball. At the back, likes of TAA and VVD are better on the ball than any player we have and their keeper is comfortable playing as a sweeper, ours isn't.

In summary, there's nothing wrong with 433 but it has to suit the players you have in order to be a cohesive unit in and out of possession. Gerrard really should have switched to a 4231 a long time ago and got some much needed pace into the side so we can play on counter attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 11:18:10 AM
Apologies if already posted but Percy saying we are making a £12m bid for Dendonker (sp?)

Bit more of a physical option in midfield anyway. Not sure if he can play much though

He was excellent in Belgium - was a bit of a coup when Wolves got him. Actually wouldn't be too upset to have him in.

Same here. From what i remember he's a bit of a presence in midfield which is what we need and he can also play CB if required. And he has plenty of PL experience which is a plus. I'm also warming to Sarr since we've now offloaded El Ghazi, Trez and Bertie this window. Even though we still have a few options there we've looked like some fresh ideas in the final third wouldn't go amiss.

If we just get those 2 in i think we'd be better balanced as a squad and any more would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 11:21:41 AM
A championship winger and Wolves 3/4th choice centre mid. Laughable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2022, 11:38:10 AM
Interested in this Sarr story regenerating, has he lowered his wage demands or Gerrard had a u turn on transfer?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2022, 11:38:55 AM
Interested in this Sarr story regenerating, has he lowered his wage demands or Gerrard had a u turn on transfer?

Or have we ignored him and are building a squad suitable for whoever comes in?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2022, 11:40:07 AM
Interested in this Sarr story regenerating, has he lowered his wage demands or Gerrard had a u turn on transfer?

Or have we ignored him and are building a squad suitable for whoever comes in?

That's why I wanted him two weeks ago. Would be a good fit for 4-2-3-1/4-3-3 which hopefully we'll switch back to under the next manager shortly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 11:40:44 AM
Interested in this Sarr story regenerating, has he lowered his wage demands or Gerrard had a u turn on transfer?

Or have we ignored him and are building a squad suitable for whoever comes in?



Or the blokes at the top just don't know what the hell they're doing, thought they could get away with it, realise that cant and are know thrashing around like a fish out of water.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2022, 11:41:34 AM
I have SSN on, keeping an eye on what's happening but I have a terrible feeling our manager is doing the same. And nothing else.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 01, 2022, 11:44:04 AM
Bid accepted for Dendoncker so he'll be in by the afternoon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 11:44:40 AM
I have SSN on, keeping an eye on what's happening but I have a terrible feeling our manager is doing the same. And nothing else.

I'm hoping he's on the training ground trying to instil some or indeed any sort of tactical nouse into our assorted shit players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 11:49:01 AM
I have SSN on, keeping an eye on what's happening but I have a terrible feeling our manager is doing the same. And nothing else.

I'm hoping he's on the training ground trying to instil some or indeed any sort of tactical nouse into our assorted shit players.

He's making them look shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
I was thinking about Sarr last night and that we really should go back in for him. Fuck Gerrard he's going anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 11:50:37 AM
I have SSN on, keeping an eye on what's happening but I have a terrible feeling our manager is doing the same. And nothing else.

I'm hoping he's on the training ground trying to instil some or indeed any sort of tactical nouse into our assorted shit players.

He's making them look shit.

Some of them, granted. Some of them are performing much as they always have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 11:56:53 AM
You keep saying that, but it isn't true. Cash, Digne, Mings, Konsa, Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Bailey, Buendia, Coutinho, Ings and Watkins have all played significantly better under previous managers, at Villa and/or elsewhere, than they are playing recently under Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john2710 on September 01, 2022, 11:56:54 AM
I'm not spending the day watching stuff that's 95% bullshit.

I'll take a look at 11 o'clock tonight & judge what's actually happened.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on September 01, 2022, 11:58:02 AM
Swap Doug for Conor Gallagher and bring in Sarr, Dendoncker and Dawson today and I would just about be happy even though I expected us to be shopping at a much higher level
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2022, 11:58:26 AM
I'm not spending the day watching stuff that's 95% bullshit.

I'll take a look at 11 o'clock tonight & judge what's actually happened.

...and yet you are on this thread (!)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2022, 12:01:22 PM
Dendoncker?!

This is a piss take. Cannot believe it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 12:02:50 PM
The first panic buy is on it's way. Fuck off Lange.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 12:03:45 PM
Wolves cast offs now. Had all f*****g summer and the whole world to explore and we end up with this? What the hell is going on at the Club

We're looking DESPERATE
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on September 01, 2022, 12:04:25 PM
Dendonker in Luiz out?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 12:05:11 PM
Our Midfield is bottom 3/4.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 12:05:40 PM
Dendoncker is a big improvement on Nakamba and might actually make us harder to get through in midfield. Decent signing if we get it over the line.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on September 01, 2022, 12:07:39 PM
Bissouma... Phillips(?)... Sangare... Dendoncker!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Vegas on September 01, 2022, 12:09:24 PM
There’s two ways of viewing Dendoncker.

Is it a signing that a club pushing for Europe would be excited about? Absolutely not.

Is it a signing that might make our midfield better? Yep.

We are far more likely to be in a relegation struggle than a battle for 6th, so I’m happy-ish in a very pragmatic way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2022, 12:10:18 PM
I quite like the player. I have no idea how he fits with the other midfielders we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 12:11:45 PM
Bissouma... Phillips(?)... Sangare... Dendoncker!

Dendoncker + Kamara is better than one of the other three.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 12:15:22 PM
Dendoncker is a big improvement on Nakamba and might actually make us harder to get through in midfield. Decent signing if we get it over the line.

Indeed. Some would rather concentrate on where he's coming from rather than what he can do for us. I know it's not massively pulse racing but i'm convinced he'll improve us from his experience and skill set, plus he's only 27 still. Bear in mind that, very unusually, Wolves have largely been better than us for the last 5 years, and he's played plenty in that time. If it's a panic buy, it's not a bad one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: caster troy on September 01, 2022, 12:17:22 PM
Bissouma... Phillips(?)... Sangare... Dendoncker!

Dendoncker + Kamara is better than one of the other three.

My understanding was we wanted Kamara + Bissouma, maybe I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 01, 2022, 12:17:29 PM
What a wank signing that is. Sold to FC Ankara in 2 years for £1.5m.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on September 01, 2022, 12:19:46 PM
Dendoncker is a big improvement on Nakamba and might actually make us harder to get through in midfield. Decent signing if we get it over the line.

Imagine comparing him to a guy who never plays. Superb post!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 12:20:35 PM
Both are very different, we would need both.

Both would be amazing. Two really tremendous players. Youri and Moura that is.
Agree. Those 2 would be most welcome.
SG looking to shift 3 players out though.
Hopefully not Bailey!
Hopefully El Ghazi was one so that would leave 2...
Haven't seen or heard anything about Leander Dendoncker as he's available from Wolves and he can cover defence and midfield. Other clubs are moving in on him. But wouldn't put it past us to try for him.

My Chelsea contact tells me interest for Douglas Luiz at £25m for Gallagher or Broja from them on loan
Other clubs offering only £20m trying to push Chelsea
Not sure what's happening really.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2022, 12:22:26 PM
He isn't a Wolves cast off, he has had plenty of game time and been a good contributor to their rise up the league in recent seasons.

Like Luiz at Villa, Wolves have a player that has not signed a new contract and will leave on a free at the end of the season. He will offer more soidity next to Kamara than Luiz ever has, and can also play in defence if needed. Not a signing to set the pulse racing, but certainly one that might bring more out of the rest of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 01, 2022, 12:27:33 PM
The Wolves bloke is a pretty good player. Relative to our current midfielders he gets better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on September 01, 2022, 12:29:54 PM
He will add height to our midfield and is a defensive midfielder (which is what we need) I am told that he has scored on average 1 goal every 15 games

Underwhelming, but lets give the guy a chance - I am sure when we signed Des Bremner the same was said about him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on September 01, 2022, 12:30:36 PM
The Wolves bloke is a pretty good player. Relative to our current midfielders he gets better.

I have total confidence in our ability to change that!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 12:37:40 PM
Dendoncker is a big improvement on Nakamba and might actually make us harder to get through in midfield. Decent signing if we get it over the line.

Imagine comparing him to a guy who never plays. Superb post!

*Sigh*. The point is, if Nakamba had Dendoncker's talents, he would be a starter. This guy will give us the presence in midfield that we are desperately lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 12:37:48 PM
Whatever happens today these aren’t going to be Steven Gerrard’s players. He might not even be in the welcome photos. I am sure he will be gone next week
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 01, 2022, 12:43:29 PM
Isn't Dendoncker quite a well-built, athletic lad?

If so, he'd fit into our midfield very well I think. Probably just what we need at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mallo on September 01, 2022, 12:48:57 PM
Good passing stats, good blocking, good aerial duels and good clearances - on the upside he's a good defensive mid. Not a worldie but does the hard work breaking things up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 12:50:30 PM
Isn't Dendoncker quite a well-built, athletic lad?

If so, he'd fit into our midfield very well I think. Probably just what we need at the moment.

what’s his ball retention like
if he can’t pass/control/ keep Possession of the ball it makes no odds what type of physical specimen he is

first half last night was like passing a Firestone around, is he going to help there in that area
I don’t know he might be fine, I’m want good footballers not just big ones


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on September 01, 2022, 12:57:22 PM
What a wank signing that is. Sold to FC Ankara in 2 years for £1.5m.



Not sure they boast too many Belgium internationals at FC Ankara.

I know most things are pretty shit at villa right now, but there’s no point catastrophising everything. He’s a useful addition to a midfield that’s our weakest area who can cover on defence - where we are lacking bodies at a reasonable price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 01, 2022, 01:05:45 PM
reports are Douglas Luiz is pushing to join Arsenal, he wants the move. Personal terms are not an issue.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: HolteLower on September 01, 2022, 01:09:24 PM
I think Luiz is one of those players who will be absolutely fine in a better organised team with better players around him. Just watch he'll score against us sure as. Dendonker maybe OK but he's not really an upgrade - another OKish sidegrade - we've had loads of those over the years - it's not the step up we need to challenge higher up the league as promised.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nick harper on September 01, 2022, 01:15:53 PM
Any centre halves or strikers we could take off Arsenal if we were to let Luiz go? Nketiah would be good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 01:17:44 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 01:23:09 PM
Any centre halves or strikers we could take off Arsenal if we were to let Luiz go? Nketiah would be good.

Would rather blood Archer than improve their "little Eddie" for them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 01, 2022, 01:23:10 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.

It is.  Everyone knows Gerrard's done for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 01:24:19 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.

Years ago when I was 16 me and lots of my mates all had 50cc bikes. We all worked over the summer, saved up and had a right laugh with them over the Autumn and winter months. Another mate had a very strict father who wouldn’t let him get one.

Then at Christmas his dad said to James your present is in the garage. Of course he got his hopes up thinking he had a nice shiny motorbike, but all it was a mountain bike!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 01:35:29 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.

Years ago when I was 16 me and lots of my mates all had 50cc bikes. We all worked over the summer, saved up and had a right laugh with them over the Autumn and winter months. Another mate had a very strict father who wouldn’t let him get one.

Then at Christmas his dad said to James your present is in the garage. Of course he got his hopes up thinking he had a nice shiny motorbike, but all it was a mountain bike!

I would've been that kid, that's the kind of shit my old man would've pulled.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2022, 01:43:45 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.

Years ago when I was 16 me and lots of my mates all had 50cc bikes. We all worked over the summer, saved up and had a right laugh with them over the Autumn and winter months. Another mate had a very strict father who wouldn’t let him get one.

Then at Christmas his dad said to James your present is in the garage. Of course he got his hopes up thinking he had a nice shiny motorbike, but all it was a mountain bike!

I would've been that kid, that's the kind of shit my old man would've pulled.

Ah, so caravanning's in the blood.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 01:46:43 PM
Dendonker is a decent player. Gets in the Belgium side, adds height and a bit of bite to our midfield. He and Kamara playing at the base would make us much tougher to walk through. For the battle ahead, it is a good signing. Get Sarr and a centre half, you might have a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 01, 2022, 01:49:42 PM
you might have a chance.
What's up Ozz? Leaving us so soon :-)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 01:57:21 PM
Surely we scouted other players and weren't expecting adding Carlos and Kamara to the squad was going to be enough? What's taken so long since our early signings and why are we now on plan D signings of Wolves and Southampton reserves?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on September 01, 2022, 01:59:38 PM
Apparently we’ve rejected a £20m bid for Luiz but Arsenal are expected to have another go
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 02:05:05 PM
you might have a chance.
What's up Ozz? Leaving us so soon :-)

Yeah! He'd better not be backing out to go to Walsall!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 02:05:23 PM
Bradford City AFC is delighted to announce the signing of exciting winger Tyreik Wright, who arrives on loan from Premier League side Aston Villa.

Wright has put pen to paper on an agreement which will keep him at the University of Bradford Stadium for the remainder of the 2022/23 campaign.

At 20, the Republic of Ireland Under-21 international already has three Premier League 2 appearances to his name this season for Villa, scoring once and registering one assist.

Over the past two seasons, he has served loan spells at Walsall, Salford City and Colchester United, making 44 appearances in Sky Bet League Two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 01, 2022, 02:06:11 PM
Apparently we’ve rejected a £20m bid for Luiz but Arsenal are expected to have another go

He's off.  Which I couldn't give two fucks about personally.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 02:07:24 PM
Feels to me like we genuinely don't have a clue what we're doing.

Said most fans of most clubs at this time of year. The amount of clickbait and rumour out there just stirs it all up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 02:10:09 PM
Caleta-Car going to Southampton
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 02:10:52 PM
Be interesting how he gets on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2022, 02:11:17 PM
Seen a few reports that Bednarek may still happen.

If Arsenal do go for Luiz, then Teilemans (who was linked with a move there) might be more gettable for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 02:13:23 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 02:14:17 PM
Tielemans isn't joining us lol

We are 19th and clueless. Although... Does play with Dendonker for Belgium...

Our next manager is starting to come into view!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2022, 02:14:27 PM
Luiz going and being replaced by Teilemans feels a bit more palatable, but unlikely I’m assuming.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2022, 02:15:12 PM
Tielemans isn't joining us lol

We are 19th and clueless. Although... Does play with Dendonker for Belgium...

Our next manager is starting to come into view!!

Step up for him from 20th!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 02:30:35 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

He's been utter crap for Leeds
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2022, 02:36:36 PM
Today's going to be one of those days when you press your face against the shop window at all the nice shiny toys you'd like your Mom and Dad to buy you.

All your mates keep coming out with lovely stuff, but you know in your heart of hearts that you're not going to get anything even though Mom and Dad have got the dosh.

Sounds like someone wanted a Raleigh Chopper and got a Huffy Dragster.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 01, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

He's been utter crap for Leeds
Thats a big no from me. He's off to Fulham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on September 01, 2022, 02:41:45 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 02:44:19 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?

Well done for pulling him up on this. Not funny.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 02:45:11 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

Quick but very little composure….not really kicked on from Swansea for me, looked overawed at United and no more than ok at Leeds
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 02:48:23 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?
No need to get all politically correct olaftab. There was no harm meant by it and it was obviously just a reference to the stereotype. May be I should have said a “slim Lianne Sanderson with a beard” or am I not allowed to make fun of Lee or his female work colleagues either?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 02:50:18 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?
Well done for pulling him up on this. Not funny.
No offence intended to you or anyone else either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2022, 02:50:49 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?
No need to get all politically correct olaftab. There was no harm meant by it and it was obviously just a reference to the stereotype. May be I should have said a “slim Lianne Sanderson with a beard” or am I not allowed to make fun of Lee or his female work colleagues either?

Just grow up lad
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: wince on September 01, 2022, 02:52:54 PM
So, that transfer window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 02:53:13 PM
Ok will do. I’ll go have a word with myself.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 03:00:46 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

He's been utter crap for Leeds

I can think of one exception.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 03:02:49 PM
Any tedious links or shreds of hope that we’ll sign anyone else? Any news on Conor Gallagher? Surely he must be on the move today with all the players Chelsea are signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on September 01, 2022, 03:13:52 PM
Lee Hendrie looks like a lesbian with a beard.
You first need to explain first what do lesbians look like? Are they a different species from other human beings?
Well done for pulling him up on this. Not funny.
No offence intended to you or anyone else either.

It’s not being politically correct though by the way. It’s just disrespectful and not nice or funny.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 01, 2022, 03:16:51 PM
Aston Villa have agreed to sign Jan Bednarek from Southampton on 1yr loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 03:17:17 PM
You’ve taken offence to it, and I’ve apologised for my comment that wasn’t intended to be offensive or disrespectful to you, anyone else or the LGBT+ community. Your comments have been noted and I’ll avoid making such comments in the future so let’s move on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 03:19:16 PM
You’ve taken offence to it, and I’ve apologised for my comment that wasn’t intended to be offensive or disrespectful to you, anyone else or the LGBT+ community. Your comments have been noted and I’ll avoid making such comments in the future so let’s move on.

That's fair enough. He does look a bit like a bearded lady, it has to be said.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 03:19:20 PM
i wasn't offended.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:19:37 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

Quick but very little composure….not really kicked on from Swansea for me, looked overawed at United and no more than ok at Leeds

My Welsh friends tell me he's central to Wales success in the front positions. And will give England a cause for concern.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 03:20:11 PM
Bednarek, Dendonker... Please get Sarr to add some pace to go with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 03:21:00 PM
I would have liked us to get in for Dan James
He would work wonders in a 4-3-3 wide forward Bailey one side James the other. Or even as an option as striker central but in a fluid system.

Quick but very little composure….not really kicked on from Swansea for me, looked overawed at United and no more than ok at Leeds

My Welsh friends tell me he's central to Wales success in the front positions. And will give England a cause for concern.

My eyes have told me he is a diving shit bag that only ever plays well for Wales, against mainly championship level defences.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Small Rodent on September 01, 2022, 03:21:10 PM
So Luiz…too crap for Villa fans, but good enough for Arsenal?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 03:21:19 PM
what a shit transfer day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 03:22:49 PM
what a shit transfer day.

They usually are. At least I've had a major circuit outage affecting users across Europe to keep me otherwise busy today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:23:04 PM
Aston Villa have agreed to sign Jan Bednarek from Southampton on 1yr loan.
Good to to hear.
Good news there Lange with his friends at Southampton didn't let the deal slips away
Duje Caleta-Car is his replacement though and would have much preferred him.
Bednarek I've come around to liking what he's about a solid experienced defender.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KRS on September 01, 2022, 03:24:07 PM
That’s a surprising move considering he was nailed on for a move to West Ham a few hours ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:24:50 PM
Draxler went on loan to Benfica.  Now he would have added some real quality in attacking places.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on September 01, 2022, 03:25:12 PM
what a shit transfer day.

They usually are. At least I've had a major circuit outage affecting users across Europe to keep me otherwise busy today.

They are usually shite. But... In our hour of need at least we have 2 players in positions we were not blessed in coming in. A pacey forward option to top it off wouldn't go amis.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 03:25:44 PM
I'm happy to see us give Dendonker a whirl, i'd have preferred Dawson on a short term deal than Bednarek on loan but not too upset. Hopefully there is an option to buy in case he's any good and we need him for longer. Another attacking option would be good as well if we could, Sarr for example. Suddenly things look a bit better squad wise, with a bit of something different in there and once Gerrard gets canned if we can finally get a good quality PL standard manager in things might start to look up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
That’s a surprising move considering he was nailed on for a move to West Ham a few hours ago.
Lange has his Southampton contacts and we were close a while ago before them.
Can't go back on an agreement!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on September 01, 2022, 03:25:48 PM
Dendoncker and Bednarek. Woohoo!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2022, 03:26:33 PM
Europe here we come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 03:28:42 PM
If we can add Sarr as well, then that would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2022, 03:30:10 PM
TalkSport reporting that Iroegbunam may be off to QPR?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2022, 03:31:09 PM
Jesus Christ. Can you imagine if these had been our initial signings the meltdown in H&V. I'm very confused as to how Villa have ended up with these two. The whole recruitment strategy seems a mess, just like the tactics on the pitch. All very worrying.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2022, 03:33:41 PM
I'd rather have some players in than none at all but letting the likes of Tim go out on loan would pretty much make my mind up about the Manager. I'd boot him at 23:01.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on September 01, 2022, 03:34:36 PM
TalkSport reporting that Iroegbunam may be off to QPR?

Yeah its posted on other areas as well. I would have liked to see him play some games for us, but I guess if we've got Dendoncker his chances will be limited.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 03:36:16 PM
Two reserves from mid table teams. Don't believe the hype. 5 games in and we've given up, there was no European ambition.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 03:37:09 PM
Sending Tim on loan would be pointless.

Gerrard sounds like he's making this shit up on the hoof.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:37:21 PM
If Luiz goes to Arsenal then take Ainsley Maitland Niles in as part of deal.
Has  versatility and covers positions
Not wanted an Arsenal.
Can play midfield and full backs.
Wants to get back on track to make it into England squad.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 03:37:42 PM
I'd rather have some players in than none at all but letting the likes of Tim go out on loan would pretty much make my mind up about the Manager. I'd boot him at 23:01.

I stand correct but I don't think he's been anywhere on loan yet and while I'd like to have seen him stick around and get a chance, it won't do him any harm at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 01, 2022, 03:38:04 PM
TalkSport reporting that Iroegbunam may be off to QPR?

Not sure I'd be letting Tim go, looks great every time he gets a chance to play.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2022, 03:38:36 PM
TalkSport reporting that Iroegbunam may be off to QPR?

Yeah its posted on other areas as well. I would have liked to see him play some games for us, but I guess if we've got Dendoncker his chances will be limited.

Yet he shows enormous promise, would get decent squad experience and a few minutes under his belt as sub. Our promotion and development of youth has all but vanished.

Add it to the charge list constable.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 03:39:03 PM
Looking like the Football Club done those priced out in zone 6 a MASSIVE favour.

We've been taken for a ride. Absolutely zero improvements on the Match Day Experience,Catering crap and the team has got worse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on September 01, 2022, 03:40:01 PM
Two reserves from mid table teams. Don't believe the hype. 5 games in and we've given up, there was no European ambition.

I believe that the ambition was there but we just don’t appear to have the right people in place to deliver it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 03:40:28 PM
Sending Tim on loan would be pointless.

Gerrard sounds like he's making this shit up on the hoof.

"... and Tim, this is point on your 'pathway to the first team' where the manager, whoever that may be, drops a 6ft odd Belgian shithouse on £100k a week in for you to navigate past. Cool eh?"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villatillidie25 on September 01, 2022, 03:40:57 PM
If Luiz goes to Arsenal then take Ainsley Maitland Niles in as part of deal.
Has  versatility and covers positions
Not wanted an Arsenal.
Can play midfield and full backs.
Wants to get back on track to make it into England squad.

Hope that’s a joke 🤣
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nev on September 01, 2022, 03:41:20 PM
On SSN, Kevin Campbell has pitched up dressed as a fairground barker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 03:41:29 PM
Dendoncker and Bednarek. Woohoo!
Hold on to your seats

Unless you were in Zone 6 obviously
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 03:41:32 PM
Jesus Christ. Can you imagine if these had been our initial signings the meltdown in H&V. I'm very confused as to how Villa have ended up with these two. The whole recruitment strategy seems a mess, just like the tactics on the pitch. All very worrying.

I suspect Bednerak wouldn't have been here had Carlos not got injured. Dendonker wise i'm not sure but in both cases they're full international players with plenty of recent PL experience and not old even in football terms. They're more than likely to improve the squad from where it was this morning and in Dendonker's case i suspect he's one of these players that can help to make our technically gifted players do their thing. It's really not that bad. Whether it's 'we're going to be challenging the elite in a year or two' standard i would strongly doubt but they might help us finish higher than last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on September 01, 2022, 03:42:01 PM
Looking like the Football Club done those priced out in zone 6 a MASSIVE favour.

We've been taken for a ride. Absolutely zero improvements on the Match Day Experience,Catering crap and the team has got worse.

You know this is the transfer thread don't you?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aj2k77 on September 01, 2022, 03:42:44 PM
Two reserves from mid table teams. Don't believe the hype. 5 games in and we've given up, there was no European ambition.

I believe that the ambition was there but we just don’t appear to have the right people in place to deliver it.

Then remove them and replace with people who you think can match your ambitions. That's if they are serious about progression and not stagnation.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 03:43:07 PM
Might help us finish higher than last season you say FFS
Get the open top bus on order
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 03:46:09 PM
Dendoncker and Bednarek. Woohoo!
Hold on to your seats

Unless you were in Zone 6 obviously

😂

Brilliant
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on September 01, 2022, 03:49:53 PM
The type of signings a club aiming for 17th would make. I take it back about us being able to attract Pocchetino. It will be Dyche next.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 03:52:11 PM
Might help us finish higher than last season you say FFS
Get the open top bus on order

Yeah, i reckon we're a dark horse for 13th :-)

Better than where we are now though to be fair !

Talking of the match day experience, i'm not sure what the purpose of the fucking racket in the Trinity is before the game, it gets right on my tits. Maybe i'm getting older, i know it used to be a bit much when i had a season ticket in there 12 + years ago but it seems ear bleeding levels now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 03:52:32 PM
Assuming we sign Bednarek and Dendoncker, 7 of the 8 signings under Gerrard will be 27 or older. Seems to go against 'the plan' we had not too long ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 01, 2022, 03:53:19 PM
Assuming we sign Bednarek and Dendoncker, 7 of the 8 signings under Gerrard will be 27 or older. Seems to go against 'the plan' we had not too long ago.
Some thing for sure certain: Bednarek and Dendoncker will provide significantly more substance at set pieces. They are both a threat and a source of goals due to their aerial prowess.

The plan was to always bring more experience players.
These two have that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on September 01, 2022, 03:55:55 PM
Assuming we sign Bednarek and Dendoncker, 7 of the 8 signings under Gerrard will be 27 or older. Seems to go against 'the plan' we had not too long ago.

Pah!  I think we’ve all had quite enough of ‘plans’.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dorsetvillian on September 01, 2022, 04:02:01 PM
These are the type of signings I would have expected promoted teams like Bournemouth or Fulham to have made. Talk is cheap and once again Villa have failed to deliver this Summer. Another false dawn...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 04:02:23 PM
where is this super wow transfer that these Twitter tools were blowing their load over. Bednarek and Dendoncker are solid but isn't setting the world alight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 04:05:35 PM
I had that realisation 12 months ago though so it's not a big shock to me. They're better than the previous 2 owners though and pulled us out of a hole, gave us some respectability again. If they can sort the manger situation out we're sure to do a lot better anyway.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 04:06:08 PM
On SSN, Kevin Campbell has pitched up dressed as a fairground barker.

Are you sure that wasn't Poch, BE's baker?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 04:06:23 PM
where is this super wow transfer that these Twitter tools were blowing their load over. Bednarek and Dendoncker are solid but isn't setting the world alight.

At a guess I'd say we were looking at getting a couple of higher profile players but the fucking mess of a start to the season has messed our plans up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: HolteLower on September 01, 2022, 04:07:09 PM
Clearly the "plan" is back to establishing in the Prem not pushing on. No expectation now that we are trying for anything other than survival and given the situation that is by no means a nailed on outcome. Most teams including the promoted ones have improved in the window arguably better than we have.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 04:12:08 PM
Yep, spending millions of a stadium redevelopment screams that the owners are settlnig for survival and nothing more, clearly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2022, 04:25:27 PM
I’ll give anyone a chance when they come to us but if the players we were told would get us excited are the 2 mentioned then it’s time to worry. If Luiz is allowed to leave without another coming in then that would be suicidal. Still a few hours left so we may pull off a surprise. We definitely need one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2022, 04:30:11 PM
The type of signings a club aiming for 17th would make. I take it back about us being able to attract Pocchetino. It will be Dyche next.

If the rumours are true, we seriously considered bringing in Dyche to replace Deano. My Burnley supporting mate posted at the weekend how delighted he is to finally see his side playing 21st century football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Delboy Villan on September 01, 2022, 04:44:38 PM
Dendoncker is a player that has played regularly for a side in the top half of the league, which is where we want to be? No problems for me as I think it will make us solid in the middle?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Paul.S on September 01, 2022, 04:47:40 PM
I’ll give anyone a chance but it’s hardly the exciting signings we were promised. He has to work out because our PL survival depends on it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on September 01, 2022, 04:50:03 PM
where is this super wow transfer that these Twitter tools were blowing their load over. Bednarek and Dendoncker are solid but isn't setting the world alight.

At a guess I'd say we were looking at getting a couple of higher profile players but the fucking mess of a start to the season has messed our plans up.
Yes, that’s my take on it too. We’ve probably been making overtures towards players who we would have to really work hard to convince to join us, but the shit show of a season so far has made that exercise completely futile. There’s no point having Gerrard sell a project to a player if they aren’t even sure that Gerrard will be the manager in 5 games time. The Carlos injury was also very unfortunate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 05:03:33 PM
Bednarek and Dendonker
ffs this is super depressing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 05:03:40 PM
Arsenal now upped their bid for luiz 25m
I'd snap their hands off considering he's going for free next season

We need a striker!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2022, 05:04:44 PM
Arsenal now upped their bid for luiz 25m
I'd snap their hands off considering he's going for free next season

We need a striker!!

The fact that they have increased their bid after being rejected once says two things.. Doug wants the move and someone is giving them hope it will go through.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dutchvilla on September 01, 2022, 05:04:56 PM
The signings are underwhelming, but Bednarek is an experienced PL defender whose purpose is to cover Carlos. The key anyway is to get the current squad to play in a coherent way. We need to be the sum of our parts, and ideally more. At the moment, we are far less than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2022, 05:11:09 PM
I think short of a brilliant technical midfielder, then Dendocker is exactly the sort of midfielder we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 05:15:17 PM
I said a few days ago that we need to seriously strengthen to finish in the top half and that if the squad stayed as it was we would finish 15th, I described this a good season. I think ot was Ads that responded and said 15th would not be a good season.


As it stands currently, with the two due to arrive, I actually think that Everton have a better squad now and as a result we'll do well to stop up. I think we will but that will be a successful season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2022, 05:15:43 PM
Arsenal now upped their bid for luiz 25m
I'd snap their hands off considering he's going for free next season

We need a striker!!

The fact that they have increased their bid after being rejected once says two things.. Doug wants the move and someone is giving them hope it will go through.



Who can blame Doug? Not been guaranteed a start here and we are a mess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 05:16:47 PM
I think short of a brilliant technical midfielder, then Dendocker is exactly the sort of midfielder we need.

If he’s exactly the sort of midfielder we need then I’ll Show my bare arse at the Holte pub Corner on match day
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 05:18:37 PM
I think short of a brilliant technical midfielder, then Dendocker is exactly the sort of midfielder we need.

If he’s exactly the sort of midfielder we need then I’ll Show my bare arse at the Holte pub Corner on match day

What is it about you and your lower body parts this week?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 05:20:02 PM
Says it all Douglas Luiz wanted by Liverpool Atletico Madrid and Arsenal but only good enough to sit on our bench most of the time because we don’t know what we’re fucking doing

Then signing bloody Dendoncker and people on here think he’s going to turn into prime Baresi as soon as he walked through the door

Everyone’s gone absolutely bonkers
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 05:20:09 PM
Gana Gueye says he's gone home to Everton. They must still refer to gay people as poofs around the County Road.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on September 01, 2022, 05:20:42 PM
The only excitement in this terrible season so far has been how much we might get for Luiz.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2022, 05:24:48 PM
The only excitement in this terrible season so far has been how much we might get for Luiz.

Second big is 23m + add ons.

Its only going to end one way..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 05:34:02 PM
I don’t mind Dendonker, would hope that will be to play alongside Kamara as a base 2 in central midfield.  Also think Bednarek is better (or not as injured) as Hause.

If sell Luiz then we need another midfield option in…wonder if there will be another loan that hasn’t been mentioned yet?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on September 01, 2022, 05:34:29 PM
I was talking to a scouser the other day and was opining that for all his many faults, he does seem able to attract high level players before turning them to shit. Seems even thats gone now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 05:43:25 PM
I was talking to a scouser the other day and was opining that for all his many faults, he does seem able to attract high level players before turning them to shit. Seems even thats gone now.

That's why our bad start will have had an impact on our signings. If Gerrard is the 'draw' for players then he stops being that when it looks like he might not have the job in 2-3weeks time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 05:44:41 PM
Says it all Douglas Luiz wanted by Liverpool Atletico Madrid and Arsenal but only good enough to sit on our bench most of the time because we don’t know what we’re fucking doing

Then signing bloody Dendoncker and people on here think he’s going to turn into prime Baresi as soon as he walked through the door

Everyone’s gone absolutely bonkers


Perhaps it was Luiz you meant all along and not McGinn when you said a top 6 club would be after him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 05:46:29 PM
Oof, a sniper shot there, Risso  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2022, 05:52:24 PM
I’m torn on Doug going, financially it’s a no brainer with his contract expiring but we’re hardly adding to the squad are we, especially if Sanson continues to be ostracised or leaves the club altogether. I think he’s one of the more capable midfielders at the club especially when he’s not being played as a shield for the defence.

Edit, as to not start a punathon
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 06:00:02 PM
Says it all Douglas Luiz wanted by Liverpool Atletico Madrid and Arsenal but only good enough to sit on our bench most of the time because we don’t know what we’re fucking doing

Then signing bloody Dendoncker and people on here think he’s going to turn into prime Baresi as soon as he walked through the door

Everyone’s gone absolutely bonkers


Perhaps it was Luiz you meant all along and not McGinn when you said a top 6 club would be after him?
Says it all Douglas Luiz wanted by Liverpool Atletico Madrid and Arsenal but only good enough to sit on our bench most of the time because we don’t know what we’re fucking doing

Then signing bloody Dendoncker and people on here think he’s going to turn into prime Baresi as soon as he walked through the door

Everyone’s gone absolutely bonkers


Perhaps it was Luiz you meant all along and not McGinn when you said a top 6 club would be after him?

It would be exactly the same situation for McGinn
The only place McGinn will go is to a top level club same as Ramsay

Just because we have a manager who can’t get the best out of those players and posters on here like you who don’t know pigs arse from pork is irrelevant
They are class players And if we don’t pull our finger out Manager and coaching staff wise  we’ll be losing them and replacing them with the same sort of shit we are bringing in at the moment


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 06:01:56 PM
I forgot man $$$y get 20% of Douglas sale
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 01, 2022, 06:05:28 PM
I forgot man $$$y get 20% of Douglas sale

Do you think they'll waive it the way we do for League Two opponents in the cup?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2022, 06:06:16 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 06:06:44 PM
I forgot man $$$y get 20% of Douglas sale

Just tell them we've paid. They've so much cash they'll never notice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 06:09:14 PM

Just because we have a manager who can’t get the best out of those players and posters on here like you who don’t know pigs arse from pork is irrelevant
They are class players And if we don’t pull our finger out Manager and coaching staff wise  we’ll be losing them and replacing them with the same sort of shit we are bringing in at the moment


"The tubby one who can't score and is shit at passing, he's just what we need for our Champions League campaign." I don't think so, and neither it would seem, would the people who do know their arse from their elbow at other teams.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 06:11:15 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 06:13:20 PM
Liverpool fan on TS , we need to break the bank and sign Douglas Luiz ..




Please come on then
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2022, 06:13:30 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Yes. They looked like they were playing a different sport when we played them at home just after the first lockdown.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 06:13:35 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading


He has 1 year left on his contract and apparently had no interest in signing a new one, he's worth a lot more than we're paying for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 06:13:47 PM
No word on our French duo leaving? Thought Morgan and Fred would be safely back in their homeland by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2022, 06:14:31 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading

Doesn't stop McGinn being shit for a long time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 06:17:23 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading



How much did we pay for McGinn if transfer fee is what makes a player good or not?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2022, 06:17:38 PM
No word on our French duo leaving? Thought Morgan and Fred would be safely back in their homeland by now.

I'd be surprised if they haven't had offers.

Maybe they feel SG will be aff soon, so they'll stick around and hope to impress the new guy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2022, 06:19:30 PM
Does the French window close at the same time as ours?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 01, 2022, 06:19:50 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading



How much did we pay for McGinn if transfer fee is what makes a player good or not?

About £3m ish?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2022, 06:20:58 PM
Does the French window close at the same time as ours?

Same as us I think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2022, 06:21:47 PM
Does the French window close at the same time as ours?

Same as us I think

Just checked, 10.59pm
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on September 01, 2022, 06:21:52 PM
Does the French window close at the same time as ours?

One hour earlier I think I read on the BBC
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 06:22:06 PM
About £3m ish?

I know, that was my point. It seems weird to deride a player over his transfer fee while lauding a player that cost us a quarter of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 06:24:57 PM
It Doug goes we can only hope it mean another deal has been secured for someone of significance arriving
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2022, 06:25:37 PM
It Doug goes we can only hope it mean another deal has been secured for someone of significance arriving

You’d fucking hope so.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 06:26:56 PM
The amount arrogant arsenal so called fans on villa fb page going on about Luiz . I wish Liverpool would get him just to piss the fuckers off m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on September 01, 2022, 06:26:56 PM
It Doug goes we can only hope it mean another deal has been secured for someone of significance arriving

Don't hold your breath.*

I'll be back to apologise if you're right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 06:28:02 PM
The amount arrogant arsenal so called fans on villa fb page going on about Luiz . I wish Liverpool would get him just to piss the fuckers off m.

They are obnoxious at the best of times. Doesn’t help him scoring with a corner last night, us losing their last night and them winning 5 straight to start the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 06:28:37 PM
Surprised to see so many people on here who would happily sell McGinn for 13 million because we only bought him for 3

Absolute twats The lot of you
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2022, 06:30:40 PM
Dan James to Fulham on loan is an odd one.

He wouldn't have been my first choice this summer, but a loan would be a no brainer.

Particularly with the players we've let go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 01, 2022, 06:33:27 PM
Surprised to see so many people on here who would happily sell McGinn for 13 million because we only bought him for 3

Absolute twats The lot of you

HAHAHAHAHA
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on September 01, 2022, 06:33:47 PM
Dan James to Fulham on loan is an odd one.

He wouldn't have been my first choice this summer, but a loan would be a no brainer.

Particularly with the players we've let go.

Blimey, really, he’s awful. Although we tend to make him look good when they play us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on September 01, 2022, 06:36:22 PM
The amount arrogant arsenal so called fans on villa fb page going on about Luiz . I wish Liverpool would get him just to piss the fuckers off m.

They are obnoxious at the best of times. Doesn’t help him scoring with a corner last night, us losing their last night and them winning 5 straight to start the season.
It won't last.
A couple of defeats and they will be right on Arteta"s back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 06:38:03 PM
i’m going out now and getting off here for a bit Before my head explodes with anger with you bunch of idiots
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2022, 06:39:54 PM
i’m going out now and getting off here for a bit Before my head explodes with anger with you bunch of idiots

Probably a good idea John.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2022, 06:40:15 PM
Dan James to Fulham on loan is an odd one.

He wouldn't have been my first choice this summer, but a loan would be a no brainer.

Particularly with the players we've let go.

Blimey, really, he’s awful. Although we tend to make him look good when they play us.

The bit I've seen of him he can run and dribble at pace, so he would be a good outball when we're under the cosh like last night.

Playing with Bailey in sulk mode is like playing a man short.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 06:40:47 PM
I bet McGinn wouldn't win 29 caps if he was Belgian...


/sitswithpopcorn
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 06:45:13 PM
Surprised to see so many people on here who would happily sell McGinn for 13 million because we only bought him for 3

Absolute twats The lot of you

On a day of especially bad takes I think this one tops the lot, literally no one said anything about selling for £13m, people said that a player you think is world class only cost £3m which makes it a bit odd for you to moan about us signing a player who is only £13m.


i’m going out now and getting off here for a bit Before my head explodes with anger with you bunch of idiots


so absolute twats and a bunch of idiots (as well as not not knowing the difference between pigs arse and pork) all because some of us think Dendoncker is an ok signing to address a clear problem we've had in our midfield for years. I wonder if you'd be so upset if we signed someone just like him from somewhere other than Wolves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on September 01, 2022, 06:49:58 PM
Does the French window close at the same time as ours?

I think French windows close the same as most doors don’t they?.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on September 01, 2022, 06:50:15 PM
Underwhelming transfer window. The club is sleepwalking towards a relegation fight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 06:51:03 PM
Were we to lose Luiz having signed Dendoncker, that to me would represent a net weakening of the squad. Anyway, let's hope we don't sell him today, because, although I am not a big Luiz fan, that would be fucking stupid on deadline day.

I have no problems with the Dendoncker signing, and I am not hugely upset by Bednarek (although TBH wouldn't just keeping Hause have saved us a lot of time pissing about?)

There's no getting away from it, though, this has been another piss poor transfer window.

This lot - Purslow and, I am starting to suspect, NSWE - talk a good game but the reality is actually totally different.

The club is a fucking shambles right now.

Left behind by our peers in terms of spending - Newcastle, West Ham, fucking Wolves for Christ's sake, and saddled with a fucking useless manager who is only in the job because the CEO is a starfucking moron.

What a mess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: wolfman999 on September 01, 2022, 06:54:07 PM
Hoping for Waitrose purchases but it looks like we're back at the middle of Lidl again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 06:55:16 PM
Why don't arsenal go for tielmans for 25 million
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 06:55:50 PM
Sitting in a posh restaurant, talking about how well we're going to eat, whilst trying to order from the 2018 menu.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 06:55:52 PM
Why don't arsenal go for tielmans for 25 million



Why don't we?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2022, 06:57:36 PM
Underwhelming transfer window. The club is sleepwalking towards a relegation fight.

I think the club are preparing for one - without Gerrard.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on September 01, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Surprised to see so many people on here who would happily sell McGinn for 13 million because we only bought him for 3

Absolute twats The lot of you

Don’t forget the ones who said they’d drive Doug to wherever if an offer of about £10m came in, and now, all of a sudden, want him to stay!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: colin69 on September 01, 2022, 07:00:57 PM
Unless some unbelievable deals go through late, (which I very much doubt), then this really has been an awful transfer window.
I’m beginning to think we’ve been conned.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 07:01:30 PM
Zakaria to Chelsea


Callagher free ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 07:01:50 PM
Surprised to see so many people on here who would happily sell McGinn for 13 million because we only bought him for 3

Absolute twats The lot of you

Don’t forget the ones who said they’d drive Doug to wherever if an offer of about £10m came in, and now, all of a sudden, want him to stay!

Because it's the last day of the transfer window, that's why.

It makes a massive difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 07:07:51 PM

Does the French window close at the same time as ours?

Italy 5pm
Germany 5pm
Spain 9:59pm
France 10:59pm

All UK times.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 07:09:20 PM

Does the French window close at the same time as ours?


Italy 5pm
Germany 5pm
Spain 9:59pm
France 10:59pm

All UK times.

Correction:
Italy 4pm
Germany 4pm
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on September 01, 2022, 07:10:39 PM
Why don't arsenal go for tielmans for 25 million



Why don't we?


I suppose he don't want to go from a team in 20th place to 19th place , and we could be 20th tonight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 07:12:24 PM
I wonder how more likely we are to keep Naka as back-up with Tim gone.

I was listening to The Villa podcast while making lunch earlier. They were saying that apparently a fan tweeted an image of Sanson with the heading "Justice for Sanson" and Marvelous liked it. Edit - shitty football website picked up the "story" - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/08/31/aston-villa-player-liked-post-stating-justice-for-sanson-as-pressure-mounts-on-gerrard/

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on September 01, 2022, 07:13:41 PM
Why don't arsenal go for tielmans for 25 million



Why don't we?

The answer to both questions is probably "because he's about to play football for Leicester against Man Utd and therefore isn't going anywhere".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Flin5tone on September 01, 2022, 07:22:05 PM
"You Don't know what you're doing" from the Holte End directed towards the central area of the Trinity Road could be coming very soon

We've been taken for fools
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 01, 2022, 07:29:26 PM
Do you think Purslow might be doing another one of his "address the nation" videos at some point to explain this fucking mess?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2022, 07:30:16 PM
Roll on 11pm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 07:31:17 PM
Unless some unbelievable deals go through late, (which I very much doubt), then this really has been an awful transfer window.
I’m beginning to think we’ve been conned.

I think that's us done personally although we have been known to do deals very quietly so you never know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on September 01, 2022, 07:31:38 PM
Do you think Purslow might be doing another one of his "address the nation" videos at some point to explain this fucking mess?



I really think he should.

He should definitely mention realigning the clubs ambitions from Europe to stay up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 07:35:15 PM
Hope he does, he's very engaging and oozes charisma. Plus it looked like we had a new 4K camera when Pravda interviewed Gerrard last night.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2022, 07:35:32 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading



I've not said he's a better player. They're a different type of player.

Just questioning your logic, which looking at transfer fees would make Dendonker significantly better than McGinn?

I doubt there'd be a queue for McGinn based on his form in 2022. He's been useless.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2022, 07:41:28 PM
Dendonker has been consistently playing for a club who has been performing decently for a good while and he is now playing more frequently for Belgium. He offers something the rest of our midfield do not, physicality and energy, and it’s a decent price. What are you so upset about John? I wish we were signing world beaters too, but our slowness in the market and start to the season make that pretty unrealistic. I don’t see the problem with this at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TheMalandro on September 01, 2022, 07:41:38 PM
i’m going out now and getting off here for a bit Before my head explodes with anger with you bunch of idiots

Ha! I think you are brilliant John!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 01, 2022, 07:47:58 PM
You never know John, Dendonkar might be the type of player to work well with Kamara and McGinn, getting more from them. In fact, I reckon he will.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 07:53:05 PM
I doubt he could make McGinn any worse


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Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2022, 07:55:57 PM
Hope he does, he's very engaging and oozes charisma. Plus it looked like we had a new 4K camera when Pravda interviewed Gerrard last night.

He certainly oozes. I'm not sure that it's charisma that's seeping through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rory on September 01, 2022, 07:57:56 PM
Hope he does, he's very engaging and oozes charisma. Plus it looked like we had a new 4K camera when Pravda interviewed Gerrard last night.

He certainly oozes. I'm not sure that it's charisma that's seeping through.

Urgh, not at teatime, please!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
Do you think Purslow might be doing another one of his "address the nation" videos at some point to explain this fucking mess?

Having seen the Leicester chairman’s programme notes for tonight there are obviously still ffp or the like about so you wonder whether we will get a similar statement tomorrow
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on September 01, 2022, 08:04:15 PM
Hope he does, he's very engaging and oozes charisma. Plus it looked like we had a new 4K camera when Pravda interviewed Gerrard last night.

He certainly oozes. I'm not sure that it's charisma that's seeping through.

Urgh, not at teatime, please!

If the thought of smarm laced with expensive cologne puts you off your Baba Ganoush, you're made of meeker stuff than I'd imagined!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 01, 2022, 08:10:29 PM
i’m going out now and getting off here for a bit Before my head explodes with anger with you bunch of idiots

We've all been there, see you tomorrow fella.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: lovejoy on September 01, 2022, 08:14:21 PM
Dendonker has played in a midfield that's consistently dominated one with John McGinn for several seasons.

Ha ha we’re paying 13 million for him that’s how good he is And you think he’s better than John McGinn
Can you imagine the queue if we put McGinn up for 13 mill

People are losing their heads on here today it’s complete madness some of the stuff I’m reading



Absolutely as a fan base we are prone to the polarised view. We need to see the bigger picture.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 01, 2022, 08:16:33 PM
Do you think Purslow might be doing another one of his "address the nation" videos at some point to explain this fucking mess?
Yes, he can talk about our world class pre match experience, our first class sustainable catering options.
Our best in class stadium experience and entertainment package to make a trip to Villa Park a truly memorable product.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 01, 2022, 08:20:36 PM
I wonder how more likely we are to keep Naka as back-up with Tim gone.

I was listening to The Villa podcast while making lunch earlier. They were saying that apparently a fan tweeted an image of Sanson with the heading "Justice for Sanson" and Marvelous liked it. Edit - shitty football website picked up the "story" - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/08/31/aston-villa-player-liked-post-stating-justice-for-sanson-as-pressure-mounts-on-gerrard/

How are you liking the villa podcast?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 08:26:48 PM
Done a lot of thinking this evening.

In my opinion, the whole revolution stalled when we failed to get Bentancur/Bissouma through the door in January. Coutinho, Digne, Chambers plus that elusive midfielder would have really propelled us forward to a better league position (remember we had momentum before Christmas).

Yes we got Kamara in the summer but the stuttering end to the season can't have helped us sell the club to our other targets.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Shrek on September 01, 2022, 08:32:25 PM
Done a lot of thinking this evening.

In my opinion, the whole revolution stalled when we failed to get Bentancur/Bissouma through the door in January. Coutinho, Digne, Chambers plus that elusive midfielder would have really propelled us forward to a better league position (remember we had momentum before Christmas).

Yes we got Kamara in the summer but the stuttering end to the season can't have helped us sell the club to our other targets.

I genuinely don’t think that was an issue, we had momentum in the sense Gerrard was going to improve us with a proper pre season and new signings. I think the shocking start has really hampered our chances with signings now though.
Gerrard has had a whole season with this squad and it’s relegation form, with no improvements to the squad, nothing will change unless he is changed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 08:33:37 PM
Done a lot of thinking this evening.

In my opinion, the whole revolution stalled when we failed to get Bentancur/Bissouma through the door in January. Coutinho, Digne, Chambers plus that elusive midfielder would have really propelled us forward to a better league position (remember we had momentum before Christmas).

Yes we got Kamara in the summer but the stuttering end to the season can't have helped us sell the club to our other targets.

I genuinely don’t think that was an issue, we had momentum in the sense Gerrard was going to improve us with a proper pre season and new signings. I think the shocking start has really hampered our chances with signings now though.
Gerrard has had a whole season with this squad and it’s relegation form, with no improvements to the squad, nothing will change unless he is changed.

Yes, he must go. I'm just saying I think we'd be on a different path today if we had got Bentancur or Bissouma.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 08:35:35 PM
I wonder how more likely we are to keep Naka as back-up with Tim gone.

I was listening to The Villa podcast while making lunch earlier. They were saying that apparently a fan tweeted an image of Sanson with the heading "Justice for Sanson" and Marvelous liked it. Edit - shitty football website picked up the "story" - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/08/31/aston-villa-player-liked-post-stating-justice-for-sanson-as-pressure-mounts-on-gerrard/

How are you liking the villa podcast?

A lot - thanks for the recommendation! I love how they rip the piss out of every Villa player but they're so knowledgeable that you know it's from a place of love. I did wonder how enthusiastic they get when we're playing well.

The chap with the louder voice should be a comedian, very sharp.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on September 01, 2022, 08:39:01 PM
Done a lot of thinking this evening.

In my opinion, the whole revolution stalled when we failed to get Bentancur/Bissouma through the door in January. Coutinho, Digne, Chambers plus that elusive midfielder would have really propelled us forward to a better league position (remember we had momentum before Christmas).

Yes we got Kamara in the summer but the stuttering end to the season can't have helped us sell the club to our other targets.

I kinda see your point, if we'd had that sort of midfielder in January then maybe Gerrard would never have lost his bottle and had 2 of his centre mids effectively play as auxillery full-backs. The problem is that once Kamara came in we needed to go back to the midfielders actually playing in midfield but instead we've kept them in this weird no mans land. I didn't like it at the end of last season but I understood why he was doing it, to have an entire summer to work on training and tactics and make signings to change things and then start the season in the same way is just shit management. If we'd beaten Bournemouth as we should've and got points from Palace and West Ham (who are both poor teams right now) then signings late int he window would've been much easier. By starting so poorly not only do we make players think we might struggle this year but also it creates huge uncertainty over the manager, and signing players when they don't know who they're gonig to be playing for in 2-3 weeks time is very tough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 01, 2022, 08:43:35 PM
Could be worse, our big summer signings could be Tahith Chong and some dude from Chesterfield
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: holteender1 on September 01, 2022, 08:56:06 PM
Gerrard has taken alot of stick lately, some of it constructive but some most def unwarranted.

Theres a kid from Walsall reserves he could have signed and didn't...i happen to know this kid is mustard (FACT) and available...Ronan Maher. I think he's missed a trick there, Gerrard.
The kid wouldn't even have to move bloody gaffs!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 08:57:36 PM
I see The Russian is back in English football with Swindon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 08:57:46 PM
Gerrard has taken alot of stick lately, some of it constructive but some most def unwarranted.

Theres a kid from Walsall reserves he could have signed and didn't...i happen to know this kid is mustard (FACT) and available...Ronan Maher. I think he's missed a trick there, Gerrard.
The kid wouldn't even have to move bloody gaffs!


I reckon your life expectation on this forum is not far off that of junior officers in the first world war.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 01, 2022, 08:59:08 PM
There isn't any point subjecting myself to another 2 hours of SSN, is there?

That is it, isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on September 01, 2022, 08:59:54 PM
Done a lot of thinking this evening.

In my opinion, the whole revolution stalled when we failed to get Bentancur/Bissouma through the door in January. Coutinho, Digne, Chambers plus that elusive midfielder would have really propelled us forward to a better league position (remember we had momentum before Christmas).

Yes we got Kamara in the summer but the stuttering end to the season can't have helped us sell the club to our other targets.

I genuinely don’t think that was an issue, we had momentum in the sense Gerrard was going to improve us with a proper pre season and new signings. I think the shocking start has really hampered our chances with signings now though.
Gerrard has had a whole season with this squad and it’s relegation form, with no improvements to the squad, nothing will change unless he is changed.

Yes, he must go. I'm just saying I think we'd be on a different path today if we had got Bentancur or Bissouma.
I know what your saying - and i think we shoudl have coughed up for Bissoma, or JWP the previous summer. 

But - I just dont think SG formation works - when at least half the teams in the league have a better manager and / or players its just too easy to exploit, and there arent any changes so basically the opposition manager knows how to play us

Its a liverpool style formation, but with Villa standard players, and I just dont think it would work without a complete new team, plus great coaching.

I dont think we have the ability to provide either currently
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on September 01, 2022, 09:00:22 PM
I see The Russian is back in English football with Swindon.

cannot believe he's 24 already..
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DB on September 01, 2022, 09:00:59 PM
There isn't any point subjecting myself to another 2 hours of SSN, is there?

That is it, isn't it?

Watch last nights Shetland. That will cheer you up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on September 01, 2022, 09:10:43 PM

I know what your saying - and i think we shoudl have coughed up for Bissoma, or JWP the previous summer. 

But - I just dont think SG formation works - when at least half the teams in the league have a better manager and / or players its just too easy to exploit, and there arent any changes so basically the opposition manager knows how to play us

Its a liverpool style formation, but with Villa standard players, and I just dont think it would work without a complete new team, plus great coaching.

I dont think we have the ability to provide either currently

Yes indeed.

Klopp also seems to be a bit eccentric and a big personality.

He wasn't a great player himself (by his own admission) so he knows he couldn't point to the medal haul and demand instant respect. But players seem to like him and will run through brick walls for him. It's important anyway, but particularly so in the demanding system they play.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OzVilla on September 01, 2022, 09:13:58 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 09:19:09 PM
A name from the past

Rushian Hepburn-Murphy  has joined Swindon.

Released by Pafos of Cyprus in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 01, 2022, 09:25:49 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.



I think Dendonker is a smart signing and does enable us to change our system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2022, 09:26:30 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.



I think Dendonker is a smart signing and does enable us to change our system.

We have a system?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 01, 2022, 09:32:17 PM
I wonder how more likely we are to keep Naka as back-up with Tim gone.

I was listening to The Villa podcast while making lunch earlier. They were saying that apparently a fan tweeted an image of Sanson with the heading "Justice for Sanson" and Marvelous liked it. Edit - shitty football website picked up the "story" - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/08/31/aston-villa-player-liked-post-stating-justice-for-sanson-as-pressure-mounts-on-gerrard/

How are you liking the villa podcast?

A lot - thanks for the recommendation! I love how they rip the piss out of every Villa player but they're so knowledgeable that you know it's from a place of love. I did wonder how enthusiastic they get when we're playing well.

The chap with the louder voice should be a comedian, very sharp.

This is what i love, they are often angry and exasperated, always funny but their analysis within all that is nearly always 100% spot on.

Your right he is very funny. Even when we lose, like all the time now, i look forwards to Mondays and Thursdays.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 01, 2022, 09:33:47 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.



I think Dendonker is a smart signing and does enable us to change our system.
Whether our resident Liverpudlian charmer has the wit to implement said change remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on September 01, 2022, 09:43:32 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.



I think Dendonker is a smart signing and does enable us to change our system.

We have a system?
Rush keeper, everyone else adds or subtracts 6 to/from their squad number and plays that position (eg McGinn -- 8-6 = 2 = right back)
Title: Gerrard In or Out
Post by: trinityoap on September 01, 2022, 09:44:45 PM
Since we changed manager (and I can understand why we did) I reckon not fewer  than eight of our players are not playing as well as they were. There is only one common factor.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 09:45:17 PM
There was something about us going back for Sarr earlier. Was that BS or anything to it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on September 01, 2022, 09:46:00 PM
This was supposed to be n the Gerrard thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astral Weeks on September 01, 2022, 09:46:16 PM
I wonder how more likely we are to keep Naka as back-up with Tim gone.

I was listening to The Villa podcast while making lunch earlier. They were saying that apparently a fan tweeted an image of Sanson with the heading "Justice for Sanson" and Marvelous liked it. Edit - shitty football website picked up the "story" - https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/08/31/aston-villa-player-liked-post-stating-justice-for-sanson-as-pressure-mounts-on-gerrard/

How are you liking the villa podcast?

A lot - thanks for the recommendation! I love how they rip the piss out of every Villa player but they're so knowledgeable that you know it's from a place of love. I did wonder how enthusiastic they get when we're playing well.

The chap with the louder voice should be a comedian, very sharp.

This is what i love, they are often angry and exasperated, always funny but their analysis within all that is nearly always 100% spot on.

Your right he is very funny. Even when we lose, like all the time now, i look forwards to Mondays and Thursdays.
I like them too, there are always genuine laugh out loud moments in every podcast. One of my favourites was from last season when one of the guys was talking about Cash and said something like "This boy couldn't pick out a cross in a fucking chapel!"
Title: Re: Gerrard In or Out
Post by: Villan82 on September 01, 2022, 09:46:25 PM
Since we changed manager (and I can understand why we did) I reckon not fewer  than eight of our players are not playing as well as they were. There is only one common factor.

We had a shocking end to 2021-22 and then lost 5 games in a row in our third season back.

That said, the appointment of his successor is definitely not going well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 01, 2022, 09:47:19 PM
Been out I’m now back

I’ve just told the Mrs that I’ve received an official warning from the forum site
She says ‘so they’re fed up with you as well then I’m surprised they’ve put up with you this long’

Anyway sorry for calling you all idiots and twats
in my defence I am overdue for my B12 injection ( not even joking with that one)

Matron !!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on September 01, 2022, 09:47:40 PM
Expected to wake up to some serious action. Instead, unless we are totally changing our system, it’s 2 squad fillers.  Meh.



I think Dendonker is a smart signing and does enable us to change our system.

We have a system?
Rush keeper, everyone else adds or subtracts 6 to/from their squad number and plays that position (eg McGinn -- 8-6 = 2 = right back)

Very scientific. I'm impressed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2022, 09:54:31 PM
Been out I’m now back

I’ve just told the Mrs that I’ve received an official warning from the forum site
She says ‘so they’re fed up with you as well then I’m surprised they’ve put up with you this long’

Anyway sorry for calling you all idiots and twats
in my defence I am overdue for my B12 injection ( not even joking with that one)

Matron !!



Thank you.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 01, 2022, 09:55:58 PM
How come UK/EU clubs are allowed to sign players from Russian teams?

I have thought that would be against some kind of sanctions these days
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 09:56:48 PM
Who has?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 01, 2022, 10:07:11 PM
Been out I’m now back

I’ve just told the Mrs that I’ve received an official warning from the forum site
She says ‘so they’re fed up with you as well then I’m surprised they’ve put up with you this long’

Anyway sorry for calling you all idiots and twats
in my defence I am overdue for my B12 injection ( not even joking with that one)

Matron !!



Thank you.

I am an both an idiot and a twat, so I didn't take offence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on September 01, 2022, 10:17:04 PM
Been out I’m now back

I’ve just told the Mrs that I’ve received an official warning from the forum site
She says ‘so they’re fed up with you as well then I’m surprised they’ve put up with you this long’

Anyway sorry for calling you all idiots and twats
in my defence I am overdue for my B12 injection ( not even joking with that one)

Matron !!



Thank you.

I am an both an idiot and a twat, so I didn't take offence.

And a caravan swinger.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 01, 2022, 10:17:54 PM
I knew John was talking about everyone except me, so I didn't mind it, either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2022, 10:18:00 PM
So Doug stays according to SSN.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2022, 10:18:36 PM
So Doug stays according to SSN.

For now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on September 01, 2022, 10:24:13 PM
From what I see there has been very little action from most clubs, could this have something to do with all the interuption to the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on September 01, 2022, 10:29:05 PM
Batshuyi (or however you spell it) on route to Forest. Could have done a job for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on September 01, 2022, 10:37:00 PM
Very underwhelmed. Don’t think the players we’ve signed are going to propel us to a European place somehow. If we want to try to catch up with the bigger teams, we need to be looking for a £60+million striker for a start. It saddens me but £20/30 million doesn’t seem to get you much these days. We need to go for 6 points from Soton/Leicester matches but think we’ll end up with 1 point. Hope I’m wrong.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2022, 10:37:52 PM
Surprised Conor Gallagher hasn’t moved anywhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 01, 2022, 10:40:49 PM
Could be worse, at least this kind of thing didn't happen to us

Quote
Leeds United expected Marseille striker Bamba Dieng to fly to England for a medical this afternoon after he agreed to join them.

He never got on the plane and instead reached an agreement with OGC Nice.

And then he failed the medical at Nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2022, 10:40:58 PM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 10:43:16 PM
Surprised Conor Gallagher hasn’t moved anywhere.
Wonder if Zakaria signs for Chelsea that Gallagher makes a late loan back to Palace??
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2022, 10:44:14 PM
Nothing yet for Sanson or Guilbert?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Legion on September 01, 2022, 10:44:18 PM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

Very. Spot on. This is why I avoid Twatter. 99% made-up bullshit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on September 01, 2022, 10:49:00 PM
[Caleb Chuckwuemeka off to Crawley Town on a loan with a purchase option.

Cheerio.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on September 01, 2022, 10:49:34 PM
Nothing yet for Sanson or Guilbert?
What's the squad size looking like now? Wouldn't be against them being registered, especially Sanson ahead of Dendonker and Kamara, it's couldn't possibly be worse than what we've seen so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on September 01, 2022, 10:50:00 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on September 01, 2022, 10:50:16 PM
Turkey window open till 8th Sept for Sanson maybe
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dazvillain on September 01, 2022, 10:50:36 PM
Nothing yet for Sanson or Guilbert?

Freddie just sent this out…. These last few weeks have been very hard psychologically, a lot of doubts, a lot of disappointments… Apparently that's the job!!! Today I blame the blow but tomorrow I will be stronger. I will come back very soon and stronger 🦾 . Keep smile 🙌🏽
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on September 01, 2022, 10:51:19 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Nice were linked but I don't know if they were just being nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 01, 2022, 10:53:51 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Nice were linked but I don't know if they were just being nice.

He’ll end up at Rangers by all accounts
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2022, 10:55:55 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Nice were linked but I don't know if they were just being nice.

That was the biscuit making company, not a football team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 01, 2022, 10:55:56 PM
What’s the link with Southampton signing Man City youngsters, they’ve signed another one I’ve never heard of?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on September 01, 2022, 10:56:19 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Nice were linked but I don't know if they were just being nice.

He’ll end up at Rangers by all accounts

He’s a free agent so can move whenever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on September 01, 2022, 11:00:47 PM
The window has closed.  Time for Arsenal to make their late moves, in a couple of days time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 01, 2022, 11:05:23 PM
So Doug stays according to SSN.

For now.

We will probably all find out tomorrow that Arsenal signed him in the middle of the night hours after the window closed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 01, 2022, 11:12:40 PM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Rossie B ended up down Jackie Gs doing sambucas, lads eh!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on September 01, 2022, 11:22:45 PM
So Doug stays according to SSN.

For now.

We will probably all find out tomorrow that Arsenal signed him in the middle of the night hours after the window closed.

Don't get this one.  He's clearly keen to leave, so it seems safe to presume that he'll be gone in the summer, so why not cash in now instead of watching him waltz off for nothing at the end of the season?  Whether he's better or worse, we've signed a replacement for him so it's baffling to me why we would keep him now.

Saying that, the last couple of weeks have been pretty baffling on the transfer front.  I genuinely can't see what the strategy is, if there is one at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on September 02, 2022, 07:19:48 AM
What’s the link with Southampton signing Man City youngsters, they’ve signed another one I’ve never heard of?

Former Man City youth recruitment head is now running senior recruitment at Soton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 02, 2022, 07:20:59 AM
Did Ross Barkley end up anywhere?

Rossie B ended up down Jackie Gs doing sambucas, lads eh!

He can still sign for a club as he’s a free agent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on September 02, 2022, 07:23:07 AM
So Doug stays according to SSN.

For now.

We will probably all find out tomorrow that Arsenal signed him in the middle of the night hours after the window closed.

Don't get this one.  He's clearly keen to leave, so it seems safe to presume that he'll be gone in the summer, so why not cash in now instead of watching him waltz off for nothing at the end of the season?  Whether he's better or worse, we've signed a replacement for him so it's baffling to me why we would keep him now.
Saying that, the last couple of weeks have been pretty baffling on the transfer front.  I genuinely can't see what the strategy is, if there is one at all.
Totally agree, Tom. The only argument is that the club wanted to keep as many resources as possible for the new manager; hence why Sanson and Guilbert were not offloaded into a loan somewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on September 02, 2022, 07:30:12 AM
I agree we should of taken the money, and used the fee as part of our transfer kitty in January

If he had decided he wanted to go to Arsenal how committed will he be to us for the next 8 months of the season? he will probably be feeling pissed off that we refused to allow him to leave.

Not the most exciting last day in the window, but we have signed 2 decent squad players - not sure either will be automatic choices in the first 11 on a regular basis.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on September 02, 2022, 09:56:19 AM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

That shit does my head in, there's a certain poster on here fond of that "my contacts.." nonsense, piss off, you don't anything more than anyone else.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 02, 2022, 10:04:17 AM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

That shit does my head in, there's a certain poster on here fond of that "my contacts.." nonsense, piss off, you don't anything more than anyone else.

Agree it’s very frustrating.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on September 02, 2022, 10:07:01 AM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

That shit does my head in, there's a certain poster on here fond of that "my contacts.." nonsense, piss off, you don't anything more than anyone else.

My contacts tell me
That he probably knows more than I do
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 02, 2022, 10:10:26 AM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

That shit does my head in, there's a certain poster on here fond of that "my contacts.." nonsense, piss off, you don't anything more than anyone else.
SSN is full of total twats, this new breed of I don't know what do you call them (talking heads? gob shites?) that just prattle on about absolute nonsense including the 2 blokes who you would expect to see selling dodgy electronics on Brick Lane market.
But they have balanced it up with some female pundits who are obviously selected based on intelligence with the odd politically correct thicko thrown in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on September 02, 2022, 10:12:10 AM
What’s the link with Southampton signing Man City youngsters, they’ve signed another one I’ve never heard of?

Former Man City youth recruitment head is now running senior recruitment at Soton.

Ah, cheers. That makes sense and is quite a good strategy, Man City seem to have a lot of good young players who can hold there own when they get regular game time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on September 02, 2022, 11:33:36 AM
How come UK/EU clubs are allowed to sign players from Russian teams?

I have thought that would be against some kind of sanctions these days

Who has?

Celtic signed a bloke on loan from Rubin Kazan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62749631

Sure that I saw other potential transfers involving Russian teams
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2022, 11:41:53 AM
What’s the link with Southampton signing Man City youngsters, they’ve signed another one I’ve never heard of?

Former Man City youth recruitment head is now running senior recruitment at Soton.

Doesn't seem very sensible for Man City to be helping develop future Liverpool players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on September 02, 2022, 02:07:02 PM
What’s the link with Southampton signing Man City youngsters, they’ve signed another one I’ve never heard of?

Former Man City youth recruitment head is now running senior recruitment at Soton.

Doesn't seem very sensible for Man City to be helping develop future Liverpool players.
Ha ha ha
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2022, 04:45:02 PM
How come UK/EU clubs are allowed to sign players from Russian teams?

I have thought that would be against some kind of sanctions these days

Who has?

Celtic signed a bloke on loan from Rubin Kazan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/62749631

Sure that I saw other potential transfers involving Russian teams

There aren't sanctions against all businesses in Russia though, only certain sectors and people seen as being part of Putin's machinery. Add in the fact he's an EU citizen, and you can hardly stop him moving out of Russia.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on September 02, 2022, 04:49:29 PM
Chelsea were refused permission to sign a Russian player despite agreeing to meet his release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2022, 04:50:43 PM
Sounds like he's not a proper loan and they haven't given Kazan any money, so they haven't done anything wrong morally or legally.

https://celtsarehere.com/celtics-wording-around-abildgaard-deal-is-no-accident-fifa-ruling/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2022, 05:20:42 PM
Been out I’m now back

I’ve just told the Mrs that I’ve received an official warning from the forum site
She says ‘so they’re fed up with you as well then I’m surprised they’ve put up with you this long’

Anyway sorry for calling you all idiots and twats
in my defence I am overdue for my B12 injection ( not even joking with that one)

Matron !!



Worst and most short-lived flounce ever!

Missed you for the three and a bit hours you were gone! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brian green on September 02, 2022, 05:27:29 PM
I missed you as much as I missed David Unsworth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on September 02, 2022, 05:56:02 PM
Isn't SSN shit?  'I am being told that so and so has failed a medical'.  No you tool, you are reading it off the same twitter post as the rest of us.

That shit does my head in, there's a certain poster on here fond of that "my contacts.." nonsense, piss off, you don't anything more than anyone else.

Bob Dylan once said:

You have many contacts
Among the lumberjacks
To get you facts
When someone attacks your imagination
Anyway they already expect you
To all give a check
To tax-deductible charity organization
Aw, you've been with the professors
And they've all liked your looks
With great lawyers you have
Discussed lepers and crooks
You've been through all of
F. Scott Fitzgerald's books
You are very well read
It's well known

[Refrain]
But something is happening here
But ya' don't know what it is
Do you, Mister Jones?

Good ole Bobby.He knew some things back then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2022, 05:59:15 PM
My contacts are telling that the transfer window is shut. Shall I start the January Transfer Thread?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on September 02, 2022, 06:03:44 PM

My contacts are telling that the transfer window is shut. Shall I start the January Transfer Thread?


Is it a, *pauses for dramatic effect*, Chelsea contact?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Skerra on September 02, 2022, 06:06:50 PM
CD, no need regarding the January transfer window. We’ll be promised the earth and then go shopping at Primark as usual.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on September 02, 2022, 06:07:01 PM
I don't reveal my sauciness, sorry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan For Life on September 02, 2022, 06:25:33 PM
Didn’t the meltdown of the Darren Bent false rumours that we deliberately started on here - I can’t remember the precise details - end up on SSN?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on October 21, 2022, 11:18:05 AM
If he's that important we should show Gerrard the door and give Beale the job.
What a daft post.  You don't see there being any value in them working as a team?


It is a daft post. But I honestly have no idea what Beale does or doesn't do.
I just don't subscribe to the idea that Gerrard will be all at sea without him.

He might even bring in somebody better.

Lol, maybe I was right first time around! 
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