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Title: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on March 20, 2022, 12:19:22 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on March 20, 2022, 12:55:14 PM
The position we need, good player and that seems a fair price in todays market. Can’t help thinking there is better elsewhere though for the money.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 20, 2022, 01:15:33 PM
Didn’t Brighton want £50 million for Yves Bissouma ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 20, 2022, 01:20:33 PM
£60 million for Phillips is scandalous, a good player and exactly what we need but come on, £60 million is ridiculous.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 20, 2022, 01:26:06 PM
There’s got to be better value for money than that elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2022, 02:42:52 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player. I’ve seen lots say Mings is not good enough for the next step and he cost a small fortune.

So I guess if we want players for the next stage it’s going to cost ridiculous sums. Or we go down the route we’ve been on already and take a punt on younger players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 03:01:03 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player. I’ve seen lots say Mings is not good enough for the next step and he cost a small fortune.

So I guess if we want players for the next stage it’s going to cost ridiculous sums. Or we go down the route we’ve been on already and take a punt on younger players.

Bentancur has looked decent for Spurs so far and he was only 20 quid....sorry 20m ish. Mid 20s, lots of caps for Uruguay who are top nation in world football and regular for Juventus over last few seasons so they are out there although Gerrard does seem to want prem ready players and that has the same pros and cons as the MON era.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on March 20, 2022, 03:32:03 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Regardless of the price and the value*, he will go elsewhere than Villa. We are a stalking horse on this one, I suspect.




*As others have said, there has to be better value out there than this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 20, 2022, 03:36:37 PM
We are going to buy one, possibly two players in that position. It will all be about giving Coutinho all the protection he needs to do his thing and not have to exhaust himself coming back to defend. The way Liverpool set up allows the front three to be lethal and I can see Gerrard liking that formation. That or how West Ham completely dominated our midfield the other day. That’s the way to play in the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 20, 2022, 03:40:09 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)
Regardless of the price and the value*, he will go elsewhere than Villa. We are a stalking horse on this one, I suspect.




*As others have said, there has to be better value out there than this.

Wouldn't shock me if Newcastle went for him. Also talk of West Ham if Rice moves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 20, 2022, 03:43:17 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 20, 2022, 07:12:38 PM
Think the outgoing players pretty much choose themselves this summer:
- AEG (to ??)
- Trez (to Turkey)
- Targett (to Newcastle)
- Ash Young (end of contract)

Then a few maybes:
- Traore isn't suited to our style, and was of debatable utility under Smith's
- Sanson doesn't seem to be rated, could see him going out on loan
- Davis (to Forest if they get promoted)

I think any more would be seen as too big a turnover and would only happen if we got offered silly money.

Incoming:

One central midfielder, a Bissouma type, is surely nailed on this summer. We've all noticed it for ages, we were after Bissouma in January, ... I can't see it not happening really.

Think we might sign another similar midfielder if we can get Sanson out on loan. Or maybe even if we can't.

Think we might see a striker come in. Also got a sneaking feeling that Mings might be replaced. I love him to bits, but he does strike me as a player who's probably not going to play any higher than where we are now.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on March 20, 2022, 07:14:59 PM
Find the new Andy Townsend/George Boateng. He has to be out there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 20, 2022, 07:20:12 PM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.
Title: TRe: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clive W on March 20, 2022, 07:21:25 PM
A Kevin Richardson will do for me. Would never be the crowd’s favourite but we’d miss him when he wasn’t playing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 20, 2022, 07:35:00 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
To be fair - its only the last 18 months that were bad.  Think the previous summer was good, and wesley and engles aside most of the promotion cohort have done ok
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 20, 2022, 08:02:38 PM
It’s the area we must address to bridge the gap and we won’t be looking for “bargains”.
A fit Phillips is a no brainer
Who in the top three would want him given their squads?
Doubt he will go to Manure.
To be fair - its only the last 18 months that were bad.  Think the previous summer was good, and wesley and engles aside most of the promotion cohort have done ok
I have no problem overall with the recruitment since NSWE took charge. But now if we want to make the next step up then recruitment needs to be at the highest level. We have the youth to enhance sustainability and unearth the odd gem. Phillips is one of those that would make us a lot stronger in an area we are lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 20, 2022, 08:26:03 PM
To start: Kalvin Phillips: Aston Villa lead race for £60m Leeds United midfielder (https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/kalvin-phillips-aston-villa-lead-race-for-60m-leeds-united-midfielder-h3f0fqsws)

Yes please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on March 20, 2022, 08:49:30 PM
This would be a good signing if we could get him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on March 20, 2022, 09:35:59 PM
He’s superb, he’s nearly up there with Rice, not quite but close.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 20, 2022, 09:59:42 PM
A player like this is exactly what we need. We’ll need to pay a premium for someone like that but to me it’s a must. 

I think we last few windows we have worried too much about value - bissoma, ESR, and JWP we never have been prepared to do what it takes.  But we have spent 120m on sanson, Emi, ings and Bailey - of which none are now guaranteed starters - we need to get players that are head and shoulders above what we’ve got now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2022, 01:18:58 AM
If we had offers for Luiz in Jan close to £30m as rumoured, I kinda wish we had taken it. Sanson would have performed better and Luiz may not sign/be offered a new contract in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 21, 2022, 09:42:52 AM
Phillips, Coutinho, Haaland and Suarez and I'd be happy. Would cost less than we spent in 2019.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on March 21, 2022, 09:43:02 AM
I don't think £60m is scandalous.  It's a big fee, but he's an England international and incredibly highly thought of by his current club.

If we were to sell McGinn or Ramsey people would be quoting £50m +, we'd want £40-£50m for Konsa or Cash.  If Leeds are prepared to sell and he wants to leave I reckon they'll get the £60m or close to it.

As for him coming to us, it feels unlikely to me.  But I have heard Gerrard REALLY wants him.  I think we have shifted our thinking on wages and would be prepared to offer him a big package, so it's just whether the draw of playing for Gerrard and with the likes of Coutinho would appeal to him.  I don't think he would go to Man Utd with the rivalry, but I could see Arsenal being interested, particulaly if they secure top 4.

I like him a lot, but one thing that does concern me is he wouldn't add to the size of the team, which Gerrard mentioned as an issue after thge West Ham game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 21, 2022, 09:48:49 AM
I think £60m is about fair for Phillips.  It's a huge price tag, don't get me wrong, but if you want players to compete at the top end of the table, that's the sort of prices you're going to end up paying.

Not saying for one minute that we should abandon the bargain buy strategy.  We've already shown twice in January that there's bargains to be had that can improve both the first team (Coutinho, assuming we sign him) and the general squad strength (Chambers).  But you'd also say that - pick a random player from the first team of a mid-table club.  They're going to cost you about £25m-£40m.  If you keep buying players in that kind of price bracket, then with a few odd exceptions you're going to end up with a mid-table quality squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SteveN on March 21, 2022, 10:06:26 AM
Phillips would be a great buy and we could add Loftus-Cheek for a bit of bulk with a fair amount of skill.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 21, 2022, 10:14:15 AM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.

It seems like we are alone in this but I’m guessing we are not.  But if you take two or three recent examples.  Olise and Eze cost much less for Palace than Bailey did for us and I was urging us to go for Olise at the time. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on March 21, 2022, 10:40:32 AM
That’s the going rate though. £20-£30 seems to only get average mid table players now. Many are writing off our £30 million striker and saying he’s a mid table player.

I dunno if that's more about that being what £30m gets you in general, or that's what £30m gets you when it's us spending the money.

It seems like we are alone in this but I’m guessing we are not.  But if you take two or three recent examples.  Olise and Eze cost much less for Palace than Bailey did for us and I was urging us to go for Olise at the time.

The issue with someone like Olise is he’s in the same bracket as Ramsey, an up and coming young player who will play well in patches but then give you 3 or 4 game where  it isnt happening and you have to patient through that learning process.

That said I would concur that Bailey hasn’t been worth the money so far and there’s now a question mark if he can function in an SG team as he was bought specifically for the way we played under DS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on March 21, 2022, 10:48:31 AM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 21, 2022, 10:58:04 AM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.

Yeah that's fair enough. He's had awful luck with injuries.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2022, 11:22:36 AM
Like Traore though, he doesn't seem to have a football brain for the Premier League. They both make the wrong decision way too often and that's not something fitness will fix.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 21, 2022, 04:39:25 PM
I haven't given up on Bailey, in fact if we get Coutinho and we have the same as we have now, Ings, Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, Traore, Buendia for 3 positions we'll be very strong there. If Coutinho doesn't sign i'd get an alternative but the main aim has to be to bulk out that central midfield with players that can control the game from there. A couple can go and we can bring a couple of new ones in. Get that right and the forwards will benefit as they should see more of the ball. Phillips would be top of my list even at £60m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 21, 2022, 05:20:16 PM
Bailey showed some great touches at the beginning of the season, then has been injured and had a few minutes here and there since. He really needs to be given a chance.

we are all really excited when he joined and we know he has ability and bags of pace. I would love to see him playing the Salah role down the right in a front three
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 21, 2022, 06:43:42 PM
Phillips would be a great buy and we could add Loftus-Cheek for a bit of bulk with a fair amount of skill.

Loftus-Cheek doesn't use his bulk from what I've seen. A bit of a nothing player, definitely not the ball winner we need  Phillips will have his pick of clubs higher up the division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 22, 2022, 08:04:33 PM
If we were looking at upgrading with a new striker I think Patrick Schick would be quite useful both in a 2 up top or on his own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on March 22, 2022, 10:57:59 PM
The #6 is the key position to be filled but it will be very interesting after the international break to see how Nakamba does for rest of season…if he comes back and shows the form he did before his injury it becomes a case of buying competition for him, if he comes back at the level Douglas has been in that role then potentially we want 2 in.

I think Kalvin Phillips is a cracking player but he has missed a lot of football injured this season so like Nakamba it’ll be interesting to see how he finishes season.  Bissouma, if he is any way still under investigation by police I would hope we won’t touch with a bargepole….not fully convinced he is the #6 we need….like others have said there has to be better VfM in the big European leagues.

Fascinated by this summer, I suspect the performances vs Watford / Newcastle / Arsenal etc will be the ones that Gerrard uses to judge his players for the ones he wants around him going forward - for me we lack leaders, we lack height and when the going gets tough we lack physical dominance.  Of the usual starters I think Martinez / Digne & Ramsey apart all are vulnerable to be replaced / upgraded / sold even Cash / McGinn or Mings if Gerrard wants others in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on March 23, 2022, 11:39:44 AM
It would be great if we sign Coutinho and Phillips this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on March 23, 2022, 02:34:22 PM
I don't know where all this talk of Phillips has come from, but there is zero chance of us signing him this summer.  If he becomes available - even if Leeds stay up it's still a BIG if - then he'll have his pick of clubs competing in Europe, and it will be six months before the World Cup.  There is absolutely no chance he leaves Leeds to go to a club without European football.

Bissouma is much more likely, but I'll be honest, he hasn't impressed me in the times I've seen him play since we were linked late last year.

Personally, I'd rather we tried playing with ONE proper DM, before we switch to a formation where we play with two of them.  We might get to see that again if Marv gets back to a decent fitness level quickly, but I still think our midfield three all suffer from a lack of proper DM.  Let's correct that first, and see if the performances of the other two improve as a result.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2022, 02:40:13 PM
Surely in that context there would have been no chance of us tempting and very possibly signing Coutinho. At 29 surely he has any number of better football options.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 23, 2022, 02:44:58 PM
Surely in that context there would have been no chance of us tempting and very possibly signing Coutinho. At 29 surely he has any number of better football options.

I think the difference is there that Phil has been there and won everything there is to win, and maybe now just wants to enjoy playing his football. Kalvin Phillips is 26, the same age as Greasy, and is probably at a similar stage where he wants to go on and play in Europe and be in the hunt to win things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 23, 2022, 03:34:02 PM
I actually think both are unlikely, Phillips even more so for the reasons mentioned. The thing i'm clinging onto with Coutinho is the Gerrard connection and that he's enjoying his time here. We'll see, they'd be great signings obviously but i can't see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 23, 2022, 10:59:44 PM
So I think Phillips falls into the ESR, Bissoma and JWP category.

We are interested in them - its unlikely to happen - but it gets "leaked" so people can see our ambition, and the wages etc we are willing to offer.

That then means other players sit up and take notice - cos they see were trying to go places and have money, and can see the calibre of players we are after

Its based on nothing other than the fact that when we want to we do deals in complete silence, so if people know of our interest its because we want them to.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 23, 2022, 11:09:42 PM
The next transfer window needs to be the one where we stop just being linked with £50 million+ quality players and start actually signing. This Board have yet to let us down so I'm hoping some of the more cynical fans will be pleasantly surprised.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on March 23, 2022, 11:46:03 PM
Traore is a luxury player, has a lot of talent but doesn't ever seem to break sweat. Bailey is harder to judge with all his injuries. I believe we will be suprised by the players that will be moved on, Gerrard has intimated that some of the players will not follow his instuctions and have very little self belief.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 24, 2022, 12:51:22 AM
I don't think any of the top teams will feel they need Phillips. He's good, I really rate him, but I don't think he'd improve any of them. What he could do though is help a side a step below that level attempt to climb said step. And unlike with our approaches for ESR, JWP and Bissouma, our target this time is more likely to not be enticed to stay put solely by improved terms from his current employer. If they stay up, I can't see Leeds being any better next season. I think we've a very good chance of getting him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 24, 2022, 07:14:36 AM
Traore is a luxury player, has a lot of talent but doesn't ever seem to break sweat. Bailey is harder to judge with all his injuries. I believe we will be suprised by the players that will be moved on, Gerrard has intimated that some of the players will not follow his instuctions and have very little self belief.
Yeah, I agree. I've got a feeling that we might be in for an interesting summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 09:38:40 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on March 24, 2022, 09:43:45 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

We're not though are we really....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 09:44:22 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

We're not though are we really....

No.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 24, 2022, 09:52:39 AM
You think Pogba is going to be our defensive midfield superhero....?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 24, 2022, 10:32:15 AM
If the Villa Management team think that Pogba is the answer to our midfield issues, then we are in serious trouble!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 24, 2022, 11:00:13 AM
If the Villa Management team think that Pogba is the answer to our midfield issues, then we are in serious trouble!

But they haven't Sid, so calm down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on March 24, 2022, 11:42:23 AM
I don't think any of the top teams will feel they need Phillips. He's good, I really rate him, but I don't think he'd improve any of them. What he could do though is help a side a step below that level attempt to climb said step. And unlike with our approaches for ESR, JWP and Bissouma, our target this time is more likely to not be enticed to stay put solely by improved terms from his current employer. If they stay up, I can't see Leeds being any better next season. I think we've a very good chance of getting him in.
He'd improve Arsenal.  Kante isn't getting any younger at Chelsea.  He'd also improve Man U but too much rivalry to go there I think.  Klopp may even think he could do the Henderson role at Liverpool.  I would have thought there'd be plenty of takers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on March 25, 2022, 04:18:43 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically





Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 25, 2022, 06:45:52 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically







I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 25, 2022, 07:01:05 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ventnorVillain on March 25, 2022, 07:34:47 PM
Personally, I think that all the players we have been "linked" with so far, even Phil, are red herrings and we are being used by players, or more particularly, their agent, as a stalking horse to smoke out interest from other, so called "bigger " clubs to ensure that their assets get a bigger deal and more money so that the agents make more money themselves. Absolutely no chance whatsoever of Coutinho, Phillips etc. coming to us. What do we have to offer them? Mid-table mediocrity? The jury is still out on Gerrard as far as I'm concerned and he has a long way to go to convince me that he can manage a top club and get them to the higher echelons of the premier league, but at the moment I'm not getting too excited. the summer may be interesting, I agree, but exciting? I'm not too sure. :-\
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 25, 2022, 07:49:38 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D
Yeah stick well clear of this
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 25, 2022, 07:50:15 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 25, 2022, 07:56:12 PM
I think two things - we are being linked with big players if it suits us and aids our reputation

I think the club have a desire to make 1 or 2 statement signings.

We clearly work hard on our signings, like Callum Chambers seems very smart work.  The summer didnt work out probably cos with Grealish leaving the club wasnt sure where to go so focused on getting in quality palyers rather than strategic signings.

I think a couple of proven players (would love one of them to be Phillipe, the other a really solid midfielder like philips), plus a couple exciting squad players is probably what we need - and to move on some squad players before they lose all their value.

We have had players woefully out of form this season, and we need to be in the position where we can drop those players. 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on March 25, 2022, 08:01:26 PM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on March 25, 2022, 09:15:23 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.
Excellent points made.A midfield comprising McGinn,Ramsey ,Buendia and possibly Coutinho certainly has goals in it.Watkins and Ings cop some flak at times but they are superior to Immobile .
Our massive problem is  a DCM who can bring resistance and control to the midfield.I think you're being unfair on the defence,the midfield hasn't offered much cover.Just like sharing the goals around,other players must havr defensive responsibilities.Back to the need for a DCM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 26, 2022, 01:50:34 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.

Paul Pogba is one of the most overrated players there is. If he can get someone to pay him that much or close to it, more fools them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on March 26, 2022, 02:54:41 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.

Is someone honestly paid money to come up with that kind of nonsense? 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 26, 2022, 07:52:49 AM
I’ve monitored his position position at Manchester United, and can confirm that he’s shit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on March 26, 2022, 09:15:04 AM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

I agree with your points Paul
Maybe it’s the way of the future, You can see even in our own team Watkins and Ings have netted 12 times whereas Coutinho and Ramsey have netted 10, Not the big difference you would expect

Maybe Gerrard had this in mind when we were linked to Suarez, Even though he is 100 years old he could still play as one in a front three
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 26, 2022, 09:16:51 AM
Definitely a case of attitude which is even more so why any team would be daft to pay him 100k a week let alone 500. On his day he’s tremendous but from what I’ve seen of his career ‘his day’ tends to be once in a while for France and that’s about it.
I’ll always be fond of him for one thing though, leaving Man Utd for free to have them re sign him for £90m and him be shit and I suspect causing aggro in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2022, 09:30:05 AM
According to the Daily Fail, we are monitoring Paul Pogba's situation at Man Utd. Hmm.
He wants something like 500k a week on his next deal apparently.

Imagine? :D

I can't imagine anyone being stupid enough to pay that a week.He might want 500k a week but he plays like someone that should be earning £50 a week.

Paul Pogba is one of the most overrated players there is. If he can get someone to pay him that much or close to it, more fools them.

I can never decide if he's overrated or just one of these players who only looks good when he can be arsed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on March 26, 2022, 09:39:12 AM
Sometimes he looks effortlessly world class, most the times he look effortless.

I'm on the fence with exactly how good he actually is, but what I do know for certain is letting him go for free and then paying £90m to buy him back was even more stupid than spending £85m on Harry Maguire.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on March 26, 2022, 09:52:29 AM
And then letting him go for free again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 26, 2022, 10:26:08 AM
He has a ridiculous range and weight of pass when he can be arsed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2022, 10:40:39 AM
A pogba who put in 100% every game and played to instructions would be the perfect centre mid in modern football. You see flashes of it but never gets it right for even a full game. He must be very frustrating to manage and I suspect he doesn't see a problem with how he plays. He reminds me of Balotelli, with all the same problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 26, 2022, 10:45:54 AM
Without the ball isn't he worse than Conor Hourihane?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on March 26, 2022, 10:57:59 AM
I might be alone in thinking this...maybe we need to strengthen our defensive midfield (DM) position?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on March 26, 2022, 11:13:27 AM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

You’ve pretty much described Keinan Davis with that comment, Paul.

At Forest he’s not scoring loads, but bringing goals to others.

I’m not saying he’s the answer, but we know he can perform well vrs Premier league defenders, he just needs to knock in 10-12 goals a season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 26, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Without the ball isn't he worse than Conor Hourihane?

Pogba was probably the outstanding player in a World Cup winning French side. Brilliant in the semi final and final. But he had grafters next to him in Kante and Matuidu. From what I remember he played a reasonably disciplined role for France back then.

Fell out with Mourinho soon after and I don't think he has been the same player since. I did think it was quite funny near the end of Mourinho's time where he was literally walking around the pitch. Turned it on then nearly immediately when Mourinho left. Hugely talented player but leaving Man United twice on a free says a lot about that club these days and him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 11:48:21 AM
Pogba played well for proper teams like Juventus and France. No wonder he doesn't look great playing alongside dross like Sancho and the ghost of Cristiano Ronaldo. Stick him in front of Phillips and alongside Coutinho and Buendia and he will be good. Be difficult to afford him but I would be willing to have everyone's season ticket but mine increase if that helps in any way.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 26, 2022, 12:12:04 PM
Just as there is a dearth of top-class centre halves there’s also not many top strikers under the age of 30 that spring to mind
I mean if you’ve got 50-60 mil to spend on a top quality centre forward who you going to bring in realistically


I was thinking the same pal. I liked the look of Daka that Leicester signed, but he's hardly pulled up trees

I've said this before but very few teams in top level european football play in a way that suits having a high scoring centre forward, there's probably 10-12 players that are roughly what you'd call a traditional number 9 that are excelling across the top european leagues.

In England: Kane, Vardy and Toney as out and out strikers in double figures (and maybe Ronaldo but he's so versatile that I don't think he really counts).
In Spain: Benzema and Joselu (and then a few who I'd say are between being a 9 and 10).
In Italy: Immobile, Abraham, Dzeko and Vlahovic.
In Germany: Lewandowski, Haaland, Schick and Modeste.
In France: Jonathan David I guess but no one else really.

All of those leagues though (except Germany where Lewandowski is godlike) have wingers scoring at a similar rate to the strikers and teams structured to get regular goals from 3-4 different players. This has been the trend for years and it's notable how many of those strikers are towards the end of their careers. The centre forward role is changing and now is about being a pivot player that creates space and draws defenders as much as getting "20 a season".

This is why I'd have preferred someone more versatile than Ings (even though I really rate Ings as a player) and why I often talk about getting goals a unit rather than individuals, if our front 3 players between them get 30-35 a season then we'll be in a good place (assuming we get a reasonable amount from defence and midfield as well), if that means 3-4 players getting 8-9 and then a couple more chipping in a few then I'm fine with that. I'd say this season we're pretty close to making that but have been scuppered by some really dodgy defensive displays at key points.

You’ve pretty much described Keinan Davis with that comment, Paul.

At Forest he’s not scoring loads, but bringing goals to others.

I’m not saying he’s the answer, but we know he can perform well vrs Premier league defenders, he just needs to knock in 10-12 goals a season

I know, and it wasn't a mistake, if he can stay fit he could be exactly the sort of player for Watkins, Coutinho, Bailey, etc to be running off and working over defenders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 26, 2022, 12:30:36 PM
Let me get this right - we're wondering whether we should sign Pogba to play alongside Coutinho. Something's not right here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: trinityoap on March 26, 2022, 12:39:17 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 12:49:44 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on March 26, 2022, 12:59:03 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.

He can’t move swiftly, so why should we do so?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 26, 2022, 04:50:06 PM
It's the last thing he'll expect.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on March 26, 2022, 06:01:47 PM
Pogba played well for proper teams like Juventus and France. No wonder he doesn't look great playing alongside dross like Sancho and the ghost of Cristiano Ronaldo. Stick him in front of Phillips and alongside Coutinho and Buendia and he will be good. Be difficult to afford him but I would be willing to have everyone's season ticket but mine increase if that helps in any way.

At Juve he was made to look good by a peak Arturo Vidal and still outstanding Andrea Pirlo. He was very much the third wheel for me. For France, Kante allowed him to play a decent ball every now and again with the work he did on his behalf. But then Kante made Danny Drinkwater a £25m player which tells you something about how good he is.

Pogba is great for a highlights package but he can’t control a game, can’t speed it up and slow it down -things you’d expect from an elite level midfielder. He can’t concentrate for the majority of a game and is quite often lacking in discipline-both in himself and tactically. The odd decent pass or goal seems to be enough to reinforce in his head that he’s on a different level. He never seems to realise that the best do it more consistently-even in the same game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 26, 2022, 06:11:52 PM
Well, it makes a change from Eric Djemba Djemba.

I believe he's available on a free if we move swiftly.

He can’t move swiftly, so why should we do so?

If we can't do it whilst he's old, when can we do it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2022, 07:46:32 PM
Pogba is an attitude problem on legs.

If he can't get himself in the right mindset to play for Man United, what's he going to be like here?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on March 26, 2022, 08:20:00 PM
I'd like to think we've learnt outr lesson with that type of character. Spreads like a cancer. Ask Roy Keane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 26, 2022, 09:11:51 PM
Let me get this right - we're wondering whether we should sign Pogba to play alongside Coutinho. Something's not right here.
It’s a bit embarrassing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on March 27, 2022, 07:57:35 AM
For what pogba would cost, bellingham would be a better option. Assuming either would even consider us!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 27, 2022, 08:31:57 AM
Paul Pogba would be a shambles of a signing. Not doubting he has talent but he simple doesn’t have the work rate or attitude for what Gerrard is trying to build here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 08:35:06 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on March 27, 2022, 08:37:39 AM
Paul Pogba would be a shambles of a signing. Not doubting he has talent but he simple doesn’t have the work rate or attitude for what Gerrard is trying to build here.

I heard a commentator say we were 20th for pressing, so is he asking them to work hard?  The full-backs certainly have a lot on their plate but if we are bottom of the pressing league the others cannot be running about that much.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 27, 2022, 09:11:27 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 09:42:14 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2022, 01:08:09 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Let's be carefully clear boys and girls, cnuts are still running the world.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2022, 01:54:36 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 02:09:41 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 27, 2022, 02:27:04 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2022, 02:57:30 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 03:17:29 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 27, 2022, 03:34:42 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

not got much to do with Villa or the summer transfer window though, so maybe in off topic? Whereas a news article linking us with a summer move for a player seems like something that fits pretty well in this thread, even if we think it's a load of bollocks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on March 27, 2022, 03:46:09 PM
At some point Villa will need to act like an ‘elite’ club and sign players that we don’t think would come.  I hope that player isn’t Paul fucking Pogba, who’s picture you can see in an encyclopaedia when looking up ‘ineffectual’ AND ‘attitude problem’.  A player I’d find it hard to support. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2022, 05:49:29 PM
Haven't we already managed that once with Coutinho?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2022, 06:18:37 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

Have you heard the good news?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 06:29:33 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

Have you heard the good news?
Pogba signed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2022, 06:33:34 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on March 27, 2022, 06:39:38 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 27, 2022, 06:45:13 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.
Heard he struggles on crosses, though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on March 27, 2022, 06:47:35 PM
Haven't we already managed that once with Coutinho?

Yeah on loan. Which is ace!  But signing him / others in the 'world-class' bracket permanently is yet another 'next step' isn't it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 06:58:42 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on March 27, 2022, 08:06:27 PM
It's been a while since we had a player who could walk on water.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2022, 08:13:18 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming

That Bill Hicks second coming / 'the last thing he's going to want to see again is crosses' routine is brilliant.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 27, 2022, 08:43:32 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 27, 2022, 10:15:42 PM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on March 27, 2022, 10:36:49 PM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

Will Grealish come back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 10:46:41 PM
Yes, that will happen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2022, 10:47:21 PM
Christian Eriksen, anyone?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2022, 12:04:46 AM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.

still not really relevant though, a transfer rumour regarding Villa being discussed in the transfer rumour thread of a Villa forum is hardly unexpected, regardless of the source or likelihood of ti actually happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 28, 2022, 12:21:32 AM
Pedant alert! Jehovah’s Witnesses don’t believe in a physical second coming of Jesus.
But The Watchtower has made predictions about the second coming
About as accurate as the Daily Heil's transfer predictions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfulfilled_Watch_Tower_Society_predictions
Which is the point.
Yes. I was aware of that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 28, 2022, 06:41:50 AM
Maybe we will look to sign Bale and give him his final farewell season in the Premier League, before he goes off to the MLS

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on March 28, 2022, 07:32:21 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on March 28, 2022, 07:44:06 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on March 28, 2022, 08:03:10 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.

Sign him up, I say! There'll be some top clubs after him, I'd imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2022, 10:16:39 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

As Paul e said, it was an article about us being linked with a player, even if it was bollocks. Please try to understand before one of us dies.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 28, 2022, 10:22:34 AM
Let's be clear, neither Pogba nor Bellingham will be signing for us any time soon.

This. Couldn't believe it when Pogba was first name I saw on here!
Yes it’s a bit silly.

You can blame the Daily Mail.
and people daft enough to take any notice of it.

I think we all knew it was bollocks.
I read in the Watchtower That Jesus is coming to earth from heaven, so maybe we should discuss that, it’s just about as likely.

As Paul e said, it was an article about us being linked with a player, even if it was bollocks. Please try to understand before one of us dies.
sad..
What a hobby to have, constantly sniping at other Villa fans, I bet your parents are really proud.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 28, 2022, 10:29:09 AM
Your the only one who got arsey about it. Equally sad. I'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 28, 2022, 10:32:06 AM
If anyone would like to be banned, just say the word.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 10:51:00 AM
Can I nominate other posters?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 28, 2022, 10:51:39 AM
If anyone would like to be banned, just say the word.


I like bellingham  :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on March 28, 2022, 10:54:04 AM
maybe we are getting above ourselves, but I can not recall ever watching Newton Heath and saying, wow I wish that Pogba played for us
or even less after reading his comments
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on March 28, 2022, 11:00:47 AM
Personally I would like to see us give our young lads a chance next season (Carney, Kessler, Archer etc...) rather than splash another £100 million on transfers in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on March 28, 2022, 11:07:55 AM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

Sounds like an author.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 28, 2022, 11:16:53 AM
maybe we are getting above ourselves, but I can not recall ever watching Newton Heath and saying, wow I wish that Pogba played for us
or even less after reading his comments
Jury's out for me on Pogba.  I think we do need more players on Coutinho's wavelength, and suspect that Pogba definitely ticks that box.  It's also worth saying that, however bad he is, he plays reasonably regularly for Manchester United, who've finished above us every season since ... well, a long time (1989/90?).

There's a bit of a question mark for me over him in terms of attitude, which'd be the make-or-break thing for me (along with having realistic expectations on his wages!).  If that question mark's unfounded, then I think he'd be a pretty shrewd signing on a free.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 28, 2022, 11:19:18 AM
Personally I would like to see us give our young lads a chance next season (Carney, Kessler, Archer etc...) rather than splash another £100 million on transfers in the summer.


I think the club's thinking is to be prepared to spend big on high calibre players who can make a difference and to fill out the squad with younger players so a blend of the two.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on March 28, 2022, 11:20:40 AM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 28, 2022, 12:52:01 PM
Jonathan David, please.

Looks a cracking player.

I'd never heard of him until I started looking at the top scorers records to make a list of 'real' 9s on a thread. I agree he looks superb.

He had a slow start at Lille but now scoring plenty in France and a couple in CL. Only problem here is Lille in recent times sell their best attacking players for 70m +.....

He was of course playing in Belgian around 2019-20 so obviously not good enough for Suso.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: stubbsyandy on March 28, 2022, 12:59:00 PM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.

Oh yes!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 28, 2022, 01:33:07 PM
No, I think it's about a keeper, apparently Jesus saves.

And for us old fart who remember

"Jesus saves, and Graydon scores the rebound"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bernie on March 28, 2022, 03:22:56 PM
We should sign Jonathan David for two reasons. Firstly Toronto will be happy. Secondly, we can sing about him scoring goals on Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday and again on Sunday.
...could also sing "Villans of the world unite...." (kids, ask your grandparents)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 04:51:48 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on March 28, 2022, 05:01:10 PM
It's a UEFA initiative so without reading the article, I'll say it's good. For UEFA.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on March 28, 2022, 05:03:18 PM
It's better news for clubs with more revenue. So I guess that means the status quo then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on March 28, 2022, 05:13:33 PM
It will give us some greater flexibility but will mean those who pulled the drawbridge up will maintain their “advantage”.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 28, 2022, 05:49:40 PM
This "ghost of Ronaldo" chatter is hilarious. 18 goals in 32 apps for manure this season aged 36/37. 24 goals in 40 apps for both club and country.

If we're talking about ghosts we don't need to look any further than our own number 11. A player who doesn't resemble anything like we saw the previous season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 28, 2022, 07:11:29 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742

Established teams looking to keep the status quo and prevent clubs like us and others who have been taken over in recent years and have ambitions of breaking into football's inner circle. Same old shit, different day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on March 28, 2022, 08:47:12 PM
As I thought, thanks. ☹️
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 28, 2022, 09:03:10 PM
Can a grown up explain if this is good or bad news, please?

Uefa proposes new spending rules to replace Financial Fair Play - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60895742

Established teams looking to keep the status quo and prevent clubs like us and others who have been taken over in recent years and have ambitions of breaking into football's inner circle. Same old shit, different day.
Its awful really - as a sport its completely morally bankrupt.  Try applying this to any other nearly any other industry and it would break every anti-competition rule. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 28, 2022, 09:04:16 PM
top level football is bent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 28, 2022, 09:07:05 PM
top level football is bent
Exactly - they abandon a salary cap, which migjht actually make things more even, but push ahead with this.

There is more intregity in my left testical then there is in the "powers that be"
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: jwarry on March 29, 2022, 03:50:16 PM
top level football is bent
Exactly - they abandon a salary cap, which migjht actually make things more even, but push ahead with this.

There is more intregity in my left testical then there is in the "powers that be"

Now you are talking bollocks 😁
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smirker on March 29, 2022, 04:11:52 PM
Digne said something like we're making big moves again this summer.

It's going to be an exciting one isn't it. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on March 29, 2022, 05:06:37 PM
I don't think there's a great deal wrong really but he'll want his own players so it's going to be very intriguing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on March 29, 2022, 05:49:41 PM
Supposed to be close to agreeing to sign Rory Wilson from "Rangers" for £300k:
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rory-wilson-rangers-set-to-lose-rising-star-to-aston-villa-as-compensation-figures-discussed-3629130

16 year old striker, meant to have been quite prolific at U17 level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on March 29, 2022, 06:11:56 PM
Supposed to be close to agreeing to sign Rory Wilson from "Rangers" for £300k:
https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/rangers/rory-wilson-rangers-set-to-lose-rising-star-to-aston-villa-as-compensation-figures-discussed-3629130

16 year old striker, meant to have been quite prolific at U17 level.

Sounds promising to be beating competition off like that and seeing how many goals he's scored at youth level.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on March 29, 2022, 09:54:35 PM
The new Andy Gray? Great that we are still building for the future too but hoping for at least three quality players in this summer, four if I can be a bit greedy!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 30, 2022, 03:44:37 AM
You don't get too many "Rangers" players called Rory!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on March 30, 2022, 09:05:47 AM
You don't get too many "Rangers" players called Rory!

More than have played for Celtic though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 30, 2022, 12:36:04 PM
I like the noise about Phillips but will only accept him if he gets rid of that ridiculous hairstyle
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 31, 2022, 09:14:24 AM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on March 31, 2022, 09:22:16 AM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on March 31, 2022, 12:11:17 PM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Until his agent asks for a wage the club can't possibly afford and who have already openly said they need to generate cash to move forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on March 31, 2022, 02:40:40 PM
It sounds like it's not going to be Phillips now.  Widely being reported this morning that he wants to sign a new contract at Dirty leeds.
Hmm - file under JWP, ESR catagory I think
Until his agent asks for a wage the club can't possibly afford and who have already openly said they need to generate cash to move forward.
I mean, if he signs a new five-year deal with his boyhood club that happens to include a release clause that could be met by a rich and ambitious club, then he'll definitely be at Leeds forever, right? I have never seen anything that might make another outcome seem possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on March 31, 2022, 07:09:44 PM
Don’t know much about this chap.
In fairness I guess he’d be looking at Champions League teams

https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/aston-villa-transfer-news-nunez-23540536
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 01, 2022, 11:01:07 AM
just listened to a Villa podcast where the journalist? claims that one of the main priorities that Gerrard has identified this summer is signing a centre half

They also reckoned quite a few of the current squad will be on their way out of our club this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2022, 11:23:28 AM
There have been a few comments about a centre back so I think there's a fair chance of that happening. A DM of some sort is also far too heavily linked for it not to happen (finally). I also think we'll see a striker come in.

Outwards I think a lot of them are pretty obvious, with all the older loanees unlikely to come back, Davis is right on the fence for me. On top of that I think 1 of Sanson, Luiz or Nakamba will go, 1 or Watkins or Ings will go and 1 of Mings or Konsa will go. I also wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 of Bailey, Traore and Buendia go.

I suspect we'll be trying to make a fair amonut of income from that lot in the £120-150m region and then we'll throw £200m+ on replacing them. I might be wrong but, for me, this summer feels like it's going to be the one where the owners really flex their muscles and go big. I can see Coutinho staying but only being our 2nd or 3rd biggest fee, if you look at who is being linked there's a lot of £50-60m names being mentioned rather than the £20-30m range we had this time last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 12:15:23 PM
Apparently Newcastle are going to try and get Coutinho and "outbid" us and Arsenal.

Would love it if we could keep him.  Think this summer window we'll go large, otherwise I dont think we ever will.

Think we need to use SG name to get some big players in and build from there, as I think were further off breaking in europe than we were this time last year as other teams seem to have got better quicker then us

Think a few will be moved on, not least because our younger players are starting to come of age

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 01, 2022, 12:22:01 PM
Apparently Newcastle are going to try and get Coutinho and "outbid" us and Arsenal.

Would love it if we could keep him.  Think this summer window we'll go large, otherwise I dont think we ever will.

Think we need to use SG name to get some big players in and build from there, as I think were further off breaking in europe than we were this time last year as other teams seem to have got better quicker then us

Think a few will be moved on, not least because our younger players are starting to come of age



I would hope that being settled, happy, playing for a great Club and for a Manager he loves would persuade him to stay.

There again I once thought A boyhood fan that was idolised at Villa park and could have been a legend would be enough.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2022, 12:29:55 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 12:31:34 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.

We already have got him. A permanent deal will be secured to extend his stay.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 12:34:34 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 01, 2022, 12:35:42 PM
I am hugely sceptical on keeping Coutinho on the basis we don't get nice things.

We already have got him. A permanent deal will be secured to extend his stay.

I should have clarified, we don't get nice things for very long!

I know I am being glass half empty but last summer's shenanigans still smart. If we do get him permanently it will be fantastic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 12:50:56 PM
Yeah that’s my fear - last summer and parts of this year have a “I’ve seen this movie before vibe”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 01, 2022, 12:55:42 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender



I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 01, 2022, 01:10:17 PM
When transfers go bad https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-stephen-ireland-lambert-21403049?fbclid=IwAR08tydVlDfcP9tqPbO7WyLYwEtnQUfjesj01FWr3DPiJdqBkVpOdUn7rXw
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 01, 2022, 01:34:09 PM
There have been a few comments about a centre back so I think there's a fair chance of that happening. A DM of some sort is also far too heavily linked for it not to happen (finally). I also think we'll see a striker come in.

Outwards I think a lot of them are pretty obvious, with all the older loanees unlikely to come back, Davis is right on the fence for me. On top of that I think 1 of Sanson, Luiz or Nakamba will go, 1 or Watkins or Ings will go and 1 of Mings or Konsa will go. I also wouldn't be surprised if 1-2 of Bailey, Traore and Buendia go.

I suspect we'll be trying to make a fair amonut of income from that lot in the £120-150m region and then we'll throw £200m+ on replacing them. I might be wrong but, for me, this summer feels like it's going to be the one where the owners really flex their muscles and go big. I can see Coutinho staying but only being our 2nd or 3rd biggest fee, if you look at who is being linked there's a lot of £50-60m names being mentioned rather than the £20-30m range we had this time last year.
I agree, I think we're in for a summer of maybe losing 2-3 'big' players to fund a spurge on Champions League-quality players.  Something along the lines of Mings + Luiz + Ings out .... along with Trez, AEG, Targett, Davis, Traore.  Reckon you'd be looking at £120m-ish there, and could easily see us bringing in 4x £50m-ish signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 01, 2022, 02:30:15 PM

I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.

Me too. The A Madrid rumours persist I think.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on April 01, 2022, 02:38:16 PM
Cash won't go, I expect a new deal to be announced soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 01, 2022, 02:48:22 PM
Of course you can never say never but I don't think Cash will want to move this summer but a link like this is a perfect way for his agent to push up his demands for a new contract.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 01, 2022, 03:41:51 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 01, 2022, 03:43:25 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 01, 2022, 03:47:33 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.

So basically if Newcastle convinced him that their project to pay him six hundred grand a week is a good one, there's nothing we could do, but if he's happy with our offer they can sod off?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 01, 2022, 06:08:37 PM
I don't understand the rumours that somebody else might sign Coutinho. I thought we had first refusal?

We have agreed a price with Barcelona that they can't renege on. That doesn't mean that Coutinho is obligated to sign a contract with us if he chooses not to.

So basically if Newcastle convinced him that their project to pay him six hundred grand a week is a good one, there's nothing we could do, but if he's happy with our offer they can sod off?

Precisely.  Also, Barcelona are not obliged to accept a £33m bid from anyone else, just us.  We got that price because we've paid them a chunk to have him here this season, and helped their financial situation.  One would hope anyone else who comes knocking will be asked for a bit more than we've agreed (and it will be enough to put them off).

But if he's a stand-out world-beater in the next nine games, there is nothing to stop Newcastle (or anyone else) offering £60m and matching his Barca wages.  Unlikely, but there's nothing in our deal to prevent it happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 06:15:11 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 01, 2022, 06:51:28 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 01, 2022, 07:05:43 PM
I've got a feeling Matty Cash will leave :(
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:29:39 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:35:17 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 01, 2022, 07:47:07 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least

Coutinho, Kalvin Phillips and a striker please. Done.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 07:51:22 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 07:53:03 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least

Coutinho, Kalvin Phillips and a striker please. Done.
That’s the best part of 150m I reckon.

Have no idea what striker would could get that would be an upgrade and interested in coming to us
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 01, 2022, 08:16:46 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Must have carried 30kilos of papers to pay for that.  yeah he agreed to it - thought he was a wanker ever since.  Then he signed for Arsenal who I hated cos I was living in Essex and school was full of Arsenal, Spurs and Hammers

It seemed realistic, even the bit about buying shares in the villa.

Apparently the year before they did Ian Rush to Everton - if I had known that I might not have fallen for it.

Feels good to talk about it all these years later - like a therapy session
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on April 01, 2022, 08:36:23 PM
Apparently David Platt rejoined the club today.

That was a cruel April Fool's 1995 Shoot! cover story. I fell for it.
God me too - I was fucking fuming when I worked out I was tricked. 

I have never admitted that in 27 years mind

And me. Handed over some hard earned cash to buy that. Did Platt actually give his approval for this? I can’t remember.
Must have carried 30kilos of papers to pay for that.  yeah he agreed to it - thought he was a wanker ever since.  Then he signed for Arsenal who I hated cos I was living in Essex and school was full of Arsenal, Spurs and Hammers

It seemed realistic, even the bit about buying shares in the villa.

Apparently the year before they did Ian Rush to Everton - if I had known that I might not have fallen for it.

Feels good to talk about it all these years later - like a therapy session

We definitely got immediate revenge by finishing above the Tarquins the next season and knocking them out of the Santa fizzy drinks cup in the semis. Although he’ll point to his double a few years later. Always thought Platt was a bit weird about Villa after he left and since. No idea why.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 01, 2022, 09:45:09 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


If we have learned nothing else then it is the journalists have no idea whatsoever what we have to spend.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 01, 2022, 09:55:45 PM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


If we have learned nothing else then it is the journalists have no idea whatsoever what we have to spend.

Didn’t they say we only had £5m to spend last season?
I know with Jacks money net spend wasn’t loads, but was certainly more than that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 01, 2022, 11:31:57 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender



I'd be well pissed off if we lost Cash. I think he's getting better all the time, and we'd then have to rebuld down the right which wouldn't be ideal at all. I wouldn't be remotely bothered by anybody else on your list going.

Cash to Spain for £40m, buy Lamptey for £25m.  lamptey looks awesome to me (no idea if he can actually defend though).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2022, 12:40:50 AM
Apparently according to Ashley preece the War Chest is 100m

Feel slightly underwhelmed.  Hoping we can add another 50m with player sales

Mental - being underwhelmed about 100m budget.  Think we need 3 quality players and think they will be 35m each at least


Bentancur would've been a good signing for us and he cost Spurs just over 20m.

Not every player who'd improve us in world football costs 30m + so up to us to scout well and find them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 02, 2022, 12:54:33 AM
From The Express And Star, Gerrard on Dougie/player contracts...

Quote
Asked about Luiz’s situation, he replied: “He’s got 12 months left (in the summer). That’s where we’re at. We haven’t analysed that individual’s situation in isolation, if you like. He’s a very good player who’s been playing the majority of the games. He’s a player we rate very much.

“All of the individuals, we’ll speak about from now until the end of the season and we’ll deal with each case when needs be but that’s certainly not right now.”

In addition to strengthening midfield, Gerrard is also keen to keep Philippe Coutinho on a permanent deal. The boss also hinted “one or two” players might be close to signing new contracts. Right-back Matty Cash, who has been among Villa’s most consistent performers this season, has been touted as a target for Atletico Madrid.

Gerrard continued: “We want to keep all of our good players at the club. For us, to take this where we want to take it, where the ambitions are, we want all of our remaining players to stay.

“But, at the same time, we’ve got to respect that everyone’s different, i.e. Phil’s on loan, i.e. Dougie’s got a year left, i.e. one or two might be close to signing new deals.

“We’ll just analyse each case as and when needs be. That’s not the case now with nine games to go with Dougie.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 02, 2022, 09:44:44 AM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender
Guilbert too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 02, 2022, 10:36:54 AM
Mais oui.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 02, 2022, 12:02:22 PM
My thoughts

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG
Sanson

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash
Ings
Watkins
Young


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on April 02, 2022, 12:06:56 PM
Did we give young more than a 12 month contract?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on April 02, 2022, 12:15:32 PM
Did we give young more than a 12 month contract?

Hope not.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 02, 2022, 01:38:01 PM
Think it was just 12 months.

I actually have no issue with keeping Young around but we obviously need to get a younger LB in and have him as direct backup for Digne.

If Digne picks up knocks then Young can come into the mix and act as backup.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 02, 2022, 02:23:33 PM
I don't think we will have a back up right back or left back that only plays in one position any time soon. Gerrard bombed out Targett and hasn't even bothered speaking to Guilbert. Our backup full backs will continue to be those that can do a job there while also providing cover elsewhere. If not Young, Hause and Chambers, then players of that ilk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Exeter 77 on April 02, 2022, 02:52:00 PM
I think Kesler-Hayden may play a part next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 03, 2022, 10:11:32 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 03, 2022, 10:19:48 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)
Because Newcastle need the money don’t they?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on April 03, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 03, 2022, 11:00:56 AM
From the BBC gossip

Newcastle United are willing to sell French forward Allan Saint-Maximin, 25, for about £50m this summer and Aston Villa are one of the clubs monitoring the situation. (Mail on Sunday)
Because Newcastle need the money don’t they?
Isn’t he a wide player?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 03, 2022, 12:10:41 PM
Gerrard is a wingless wonder, he's going to get rid of them not buy another.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 03, 2022, 12:26:02 PM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089

He's going to be this summer's Smith Rowe isn't he? Use our interest to get a big contract at Leeds or go somewhere like West Ham if Rice leaves.

Can't see us signing him at all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 03, 2022, 12:31:55 PM
I hope we're not going to spend a chunk of the summer chasing players that we ultimately don't get while other potential signings move elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 01:04:35 AM
In case the Telegraph link is paywall'd for yer...

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Aston Villa will push for £60million Kalvin Phillips signing this summer - but move is complicated
Steven Gerrard is without a defensive midfielder and Villa believe the Leeds and England man is the player they need to fill the spot

By
John Percy
3 April 2022 • 11:14pm
Aston Villa will push for £60million Kalvin Phillips signing this summer - but move is complicated

Aston Villa will make another attempt to sign Kalvin Phillips this summer, three years after Leeds resisted their bids for the England international.

Phillips is emerging as Steven Gerrard’s leading target ahead of next season with Villa prepared to pay a club record £60 million.

At least one new defensive midfielder is regarded as a priority, and it is the position Villa have struggled to fill since promotion back to the Premier League in 2019.

Gerrard’s predecessor Dean Smith moved for Phillips after achieving promotion via the Championship play-off final, and the absence of a proven player who can protect the defence remains a big problem.

Without a defensive midfielder, there is often a huge hole between defence and attack due to the offensive qualities of players such as John McGinn and Jacob Ramsey, and it was again blatantly obvious at Molineux on Saturday.

Gerrard wants a player who will ‘screen’ in front of his back-four and move Villa up the pitch, and Phillips possesses all the qualities required.

Villa’s move for Phillips will be complicated, with Leeds determined to keep the talismanic midfielder and their resolve likely to be emboldened by avoiding relegation to the Championship.

Leeds had been in talks with the 26-year-old over a new contract but those negotiations have stalled, and Villa are ready to make their move at the end of the season.

With uncertainty over the future of Villa’s Brazilian international Douglas Luiz, Gerrard is also set to make a renewed move to sign Brighton’s Yves Bissouma.

Brighton rejected a £25 million offer from Villa in January and are facing the prospect of losing Bissouma this summer, when he will have only 12 months left on his contract.

Gerrard, meanwhile, will use the final eight games of the season to assess who can be part of his plans ahead of the next campaign.

Villa’s defeat at Wolves was their third in a row, their worst sequence of results since Gerrard’s appointment in November, and European ambitions have disappeared.

Another busy summer appears inevitable, with Villa’s ambitious owners Nassef Sawiris and Wes Edens already spending over £400 million since the club’s return to the top division.

Gerrard said: “What the owners have done for this club has been phenomenal in terms of the support, the backing. I don’t think they’ll change because of the dealings I’ve had and the communication I’ve had, they’re very ambitious and they want to win football matches, like myself.

“I think we are aligned from the top of the club to bottom. There is work going on in the background. My close staff all know where we are strong and where we need support, whether that be an individual area or a certain unit in the team.

“It’s not about talking about figures and amounts right now. It’s not the time now to say ‘they’re going to do this, they’re going to do that’, we’re off the back of a defeat and we have to accept that and move on.”

Villa could still secure their first top-10 finish in the Premier League since 2011 but Gerrard will be feeling a sense of frustration over how this season has fizzled out.

From the majestic display at Leeds last month to the first-half at Molineux at Saturday, the inconsistencies of this team are difficult for Gerrard to accept.

“I know I’ve got good players and the core of a good team but for sure I know there is work to do,” he said.

“We have to work with the team. The team has to respond from the three defeats, we have to stand up and be counted and try and put in a really big performance because next week against top opposition [Tottenham], a 45-minute performance won’t get us what we need.

“We need to find that second-half performance over 90 minutes. If we do it will give us a chance - no guarantees - but it will give us a chance.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 04, 2022, 08:44:00 AM
Phillips would be really good, but I can’t see it. Also I’d be a bit concerned about his injury record.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:53:41 AM
Interesting that he talks of a unit? Perhaps the central defensive unit? Or two defensive midfielder’s, not sure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 04, 2022, 09:50:46 AM
The club cannot, must not, spend a couple of months on a player that doesn't end up signing (the double-barrel names from last summer).  I'm sure that they know this already.  Get the players signed in the first couple of weeks after the season ends and give ourselves a decent shot at starting the season well for a bloody change! 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 10:16:46 AM
We got Emi in very quick last summer and that's worked out....ish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 10:36:52 AM
John Percy in the Telegraph, Villa will push for Kalvin Phillips signing this summer but it’s complicated: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2022/04/03/aston-villa-will-push-60million-kalvin-phillips-signing-summer/?utm_content=football&utm_medium=Social&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1648969089

He's going to be this summer's Smith Rowe isn't he? Use our interest to get a big contract at Leeds or go somewhere like West Ham if Rice leaves.

Can't see us signing him at all.
Yep.  The perfect replacement for Rice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 10:42:28 AM
The club cannot, must not, spend a couple of months on a player that doesn't end up signing (the double-barrel names from last summer).  I'm sure that they know this already.  Get the players signed in the first couple of weeks after the season ends and give ourselves a decent shot at starting the season well for a bloody change! 
Unfortunately selling clubs rarely play ball with this strategy unless you're prepared to pay way over the odds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2022, 10:53:19 AM
I'm sick of this link already. It probably won't happen and it's a stupid fee. I'd rather see us linked to two thirty million pound DMs. At least then I'd feel confident that Gerrard gets it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ROBBO on April 04, 2022, 10:57:44 AM
Me too, why would he come to us, he loves the club he plays for and there is no Europe attraction. Look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 04, 2022, 11:09:43 AM
Look at his stupid shoes. It's a no from me.


https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211 (https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 04, 2022, 11:22:52 AM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 11:24:44 AM
Look at his stupid shoes. It's a no from me.


https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211 (https://twitter.com/BrettMendoza_/status/1510158963203092482?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1510158963203092482%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.leeds-live.co.uk%2Fsport%2Fleeds-united%2Fleeds-uniteds-kalvin-phillips-mocked-23576211)
Was that taken of 1st April by any chance?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2022, 11:24:51 AM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.
and i thought his hairstyle was ridiculous, Shocker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2022, 11:25:29 AM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 04, 2022, 11:35:46 AM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 04, 2022, 11:38:52 AM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?
Be useless at the swimming pool.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 04, 2022, 12:26:36 PM
Interesting that he talks of a unit? Perhaps the central defensive unit? Or two defensive midfielder’s, not sure.

That would be interesting.

Surely no room for Luiz so him and Sanson will be moved on. Ramsey to be the most advanced of the three CMs with McGinn a squad player. Buendia could also be tried as an 8 I guess.

That's probably the ruthless nature we need if we're serious about qualifying for europe anytime soon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 04, 2022, 12:53:14 PM
We need units all over the pitch - a reliable CB pairing, a DM fulcrum, effective links between 10 and the front three. Partnerships are the key to improving. We've relied on individuals turning up for far too long. I'd go as far as to say that us staying up bucked the trend, given most promoted teams that get over the line by virtue of having a very defined and immovable way of playing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 01:01:48 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 04, 2022, 01:20:23 PM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.

Yes, a mate put it on our whattsapp group and i said that the whole outfit looks like it was tailor made for a ******.

The shoes are the worst bit though.

And no, i don't think he'll sign either but i do think he's a cracking player despite dressing like a ******.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on April 04, 2022, 01:26:02 PM
They look like they've been stolen off the Honey Monster.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 04, 2022, 01:32:06 PM
He wouldn’t look any more ridiculous if he went everywhere dressed as the Leeds mascot, whatever that is. Usually some sort of big furry animal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2022, 01:47:10 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 02:01:50 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.

So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:

The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings

I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 04, 2022, 02:37:16 PM
So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:
The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings
I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.
Ben Davies scored a very good header yesterday ...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 04, 2022, 07:22:06 PM
I think we know who will go.

Almost certain
Targett
Trez
AEG

Likely
Davis
Luiz
Traore

Possible
Bailey
Sanson
Cash

Inwards
Defensive midfielder
Striker
Defender

I think it's a certainty Traore will go. Gerrard doesn't seem to rate him at all. He has loads of ability but I don't think he has the mentality to be a top player.

Bailey, Sanson must be in the likely leaver camp too and possibly Buendia. Hourihane out of contract too. I don't see us starting next season with both Watkins and Ings in the squad. If Arsenal get CL football I think they will push hard for Watkins.

So given we're not guaranteed to be signing Coutinho, you expect all of Trezeguet, El Ghazi, Traore, Bailey, one of Ings and Watkins and possibly Buendia to leave - that would give us forward options of:

The other one of Ings or Watkins
Possibly Davies
The youth
New signings

I'd be very surprised if our outward transfers included all but one of the senior attacking players that we own.

If Coutinho doesn't sign then all bets are off but Gerrard's favoured way of playing isn't a good fit for all of the above players, particularly any winger. He has let four attacking players go on loan already and only one of them (Archer) I suspect has any kind of future with us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 04, 2022, 08:00:11 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:01:41 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 04, 2022, 08:05:33 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
ok done.  What next?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 08:08:22 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

I expect that a free Eriksen who hasn't kicked a ball since he nearly died last year, and a free Eriksen who has just had a very successful half-season in the Premier League are two very different propositions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 04, 2022, 08:12:56 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 04, 2022, 08:16:51 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.

It started that way, but I think he came in a lot at the end of the season and was quite important to the title win in the last couple of months if I remember rightly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 04, 2022, 08:43:45 PM
I think we need to start with the rule of 'do not sell your best players'.  Matty Cash is one of those and will not be easy to replace, so let's keep him.  Him and Digne give us solid full backs.  The centre halves have not impressed too much this season though, including Konsa. 
ok done.  What next?

Put the kettle on!

Edit, I honestly didn't realise he'd signed a new contract today.  I have been out all day and hadn't seen it.  Great news.  Sorry Chris.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 05, 2022, 08:04:22 PM
Wouldn't mind us signing Christian Eriksen.

You'd think that's more or less made up for him to return to Spurs. Given the history there and that Conte was Inter manager when he moved there.

Didn't sign him in January.

Conte rarely played him whilst at Inter so I’d be surprised if he went to Spurs.

It started that way, but I think he came in a lot at the end of the season and was quite important to the title win in the last couple of months if I remember rightly.

Yep, he completely turned it around and was pretty vital in the 2nd half of the season when Conte didn't get the transfers he wanted in January.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on April 05, 2022, 08:21:30 PM
Not just the shoes, the entire outfit looks like someone who sleeps in a box in shop doorways, I'm not sure why you'd choose that as your look.

These fashion types must see daft footballers coming.

The emperor's new bin bags.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 06, 2022, 10:56:54 AM
Our squad for next season....

GK Martinez/Olsen(Steer)

RB Cash/ KKH
LCB Konsa/Chambers
RCB Mings/ Hause (or potential new player)
LB Digne/Young (I'd prefer Targett or Chrisene)

DM Nakamba (Bissouma/Phillips)/Iroegbunam

CM McGinn/Ramsey/Sanson/Chukwuemeka

L/RW Bailey Traore

AM Coutinho/Buendia

CF Watkins/Ings/Archer (Newbie)


My guess is a couple of more defensively minded midfielders with a 4-2-3-1 or 4-2-2-2 and more akin to Southgate playing two defensively minded midfielders that can drop in to the full back space (which let's face it he likes) and allows the full backs to be wingers.

I'm surprised he's not tried three at the back with his desire to push the full backs forward and not having the midfielders to drop in defensively.


Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 01:51:38 PM
I’d say if we’re going to have any chance of reasonable improvement it’s going to need a top quality left sided centre back to scrap it out with Mings, a top quality defensive mid and a second good one as well, plus Coutinho or a top quality alternative.
Better GK cover, an attacking midfielder alternative to Ramsey and a top quality centre forward wouldn’t be overkill either.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 02:12:48 PM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html

Unfortunately they're not available in claret.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 03:06:29 PM
Are they just a designer version of those plastic-bag shoes you wear on new floors?

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html



Or not:

"• Take care when using on particularly slippery surfaces"

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 03:23:25 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 03:46:14 PM

Be useless at the swimming pool.

Agreed, if he's going near a pool he'd be much better off in these. https://www.bottegaveneta.com/en-ie/puddle-grass-809933048.html



Or not:

"• Take care when using on particularly slippery surfaces"

Fair enough, you researched them a bit more thoroughly than I did.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 03:46:29 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 03:51:30 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 04:16:16 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 06, 2022, 04:19:00 PM
Yes you'd have to be a proper fucking idiot to buy any of that lot, so he'd be a prime candidate.

I must admit bottega veneta is a new one on me. The Parakeet coat for 9500 euros looks like a steal, 100% lamb fur apparently but you'd want it made from real parakeets ideally.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on April 06, 2022, 04:27:40 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 06, 2022, 04:46:18 PM
Folk with average incomes are forking-out £750 for those big Balenciaga pumps so anything's possible.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 06, 2022, 05:31:01 PM

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

That looks like the John Barnes era Liverpool green away kit. Would look lovely paired with these:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/ready-to-wear-for-men/trousers-and-shorts-for-men/gg-kaleidoscope-equestrian-inspired-pant-p-675277Z8ASY7251

I'm sensing an opportunity to offer our services as personal shooppers to Grealish and Calvert-Lewin.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 05:51:39 PM
Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.

You're just not cool and well-dressed like the Bieber.
https://www.mrporter.com/en-us/journal/fashion/best-dressed-men-february-2022-pattinson-holland-bieber-fez-10490950
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 06, 2022, 05:51:57 PM

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

That looks like the John Barnes era Liverpool green away kit. Would look lovely paired with these:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/ready-to-wear-for-men/trousers-and-shorts-for-men/gg-kaleidoscope-equestrian-inspired-pant-p-675277Z8ASY7251

I'm sensing an opportunity to offer our services as personal shooppers to Grealish and Calvert-Lewin.

Those GG strides are truly awful.

That would be an easy gig, just pick anything a right thinking person would reject as too shit and outlandish and Jack and DCL would lap it up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 05:33:16 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 07, 2022, 05:46:56 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
This Man Utd who dont know who there manager is?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 07, 2022, 06:09:32 PM
490 euros. Four Hundred and Fucking Ninety. Have they sold any?

It's still early in the SS22 season but I'd imagine they have. You might be out of luck though if you were looking to pick up a pair in pink for the missus. https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/bottega-veneta-/448030-puddle-pink-rubber-ankle-boots/p4105321/

Coming soon to a Greasy ankle no doubt:

https://www.gucci.com/uk/en_gb/pr/men/shoes-for-men/boots-for-men/mens-gg-ankle-boot-p-6817962XN203362

Awful but when it comes to overpriced designer tat it's hard to top this current offering.
https://www.harveynichols.com/brand/balenciaga/459243-navy-panelled-shell-track-jacket/p4133640/

Fucking hell is it the early 90s! I used to have a Villa training jacket that looked better than that.


the cost of everything the value of nothing springs to mind 😳
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 07, 2022, 06:16:25 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.
This Man Utd who dont know who there manager is?
That's right.  The ones who have Fred as their current DM.  It wouldn't be unusual for the recruitment team to have identified certain tragets or even have discussed them with the new manager at interview stage.  Of course it could be bollocks, but it's hardly a story that stretches credibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 07, 2022, 08:34:50 PM
Manchester United are working on a deal to sign Leeds United midfielder Kalvin Phillips amid interest from Aston Villa. [@MENnewsdesk]

It was always pie in the sky.

The Manchester rag links them to a player and it's taken as fact? Other papers have them going for Neves and Rice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2022, 09:56:13 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 10:31:25 AM
Likewise. I like Konsa, if he's going it had better be someone amazing coming in, not some Liverpool cast off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 08, 2022, 10:32:59 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.
Selling Konsa sounds like madness to me.  How are we going to improve on him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2022, 11:19:52 AM
Rumours that we are prepared to listen to offers for Konsa. Arsenal apparently interested.

I won't be impressed if we replace him with, say, Gomez.

Gomez looked awful for Liverpool in recent times, I really don't think that's an upgrade at all after his bad injury.

Konsa not been as good as last season but there's still a good defender there when he's wearing the right studs. Would be a bit knee jerk to move him on unless we're getting a stupid bid for him.

I imagine Brentford have been clever as they usually are and have a hefty sell on clause so dosen't seem much point in selling him imo unless he desperately wants to leave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 08, 2022, 11:24:31 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on April 08, 2022, 11:28:54 AM
On the face of it, selling Konsa would be weird.  But central defender partnerships are critical - they make each other look better or worse than they are more than any other positions the pitch I always think.  So, the coaching staff will have a clear idea as to which one / both aren't good enough for how they want to play, which is obviously from the back on the deck. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 08, 2022, 11:44:01 AM
Still not sure how good Konsa's distribution is. He always takes the safe option of squaring to Mings to play it forward.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on April 08, 2022, 12:00:25 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 08, 2022, 12:09:48 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
He hasn't seen him at his best tbf, but you would have thought he'd have done his homework.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 08, 2022, 01:09:39 PM
I really like Konsa and think he could become a top CB but I do think he's had a poor season, which has added a lot of pressure on Mings. So much so that I think Chambers was unlucky to lose his place on the back of 1 iffy performance against West Ham having been very good in our 2 best performance this year.

On this season I can understand why Gerrard doesn't rate him as highly as the fans do and might see it as a position that needs to be addressed further.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on April 08, 2022, 01:17:38 PM
Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock.

I'm not sure that's true. He's at his best when he's throwing himself at everything and getting his head on the end of endless balls into the box. His ricks tend to be when he's got plenty of time and he's just too casual.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 08, 2022, 01:35:11 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.
Surely we're looking at the wrong priorities if we start offloading CB before we've sorted out central midfield.
The only reason to single out Konsa of the 4 current CB is that the club perhaps think we will get the most money for him. However, if it means spending what we earn on a similar CB, what would be the point?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on April 08, 2022, 02:01:05 PM
I really think the Konsa/Watkins to Arsenal talk is just London media nonsense. If we upgrade their positions and they are deemed surplus to requirements, that's one thing, but to say we are actively listening to offers.. wouldn't any good DOF pick up the phone and listen?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 08, 2022, 02:02:05 PM
Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock.

I'm not sure that's true. He's at his best when he's throwing himself at everything and getting his head on the end of endless balls into the box. His ricks tend to be when he's got plenty of time and he's just too casual.

I'd balance what you've both said, with agreeing with you Dave, but also then agreeing with Risso that he drops a bollock when he puts himself under pressure unnecessarily as a result of having too much time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 02:18:48 PM
I think part of our problem lately is a lack of an upfield outlet pass as Watkins isn't holding the ball up as well as he did last season and all our other attackers are 4 ' 6".

Teams are increasingly leaving two or three men forward to close us down from goal kicks and they're bound to make the odd mistake under that pressure every time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 08, 2022, 02:38:25 PM
We only signed Konsa up to a new contract last April after a very good season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 08, 2022, 04:39:03 PM
I think any of our players are sellable if they want to leave, see Grealish last season. I also think all but Martinez are sellable even if they’re not pushing to leave if the right offer comes in and we have a really good replacement lined up. There’s a lot of the squad I’d prefer to keep on the strength of their ability though, Konsa included. I’m not sure he’s ‘pushed on’ to use football jargon as much as I thought though. First season he looked like the best young centre back we’d had since Ugo. Last season he improved slightly and this season he’s not been quite as good, discipline being an issue too. As I say though, definitely sooner keep him and certainly wouldn’t replace with Gomez, who’s not bad but nothing special. The weakest cb we currently have is Hause, who isn’t terrible by any means but he’d be the obvious one out the door if we’re bringing someone in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 08, 2022, 05:39:12 PM
I don’t think Konsa will be going anywhere.
Watkins, on the other hand, I could see him going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 08, 2022, 06:47:49 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 08, 2022, 08:31:15 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.

He's started the vast majority of games and didn't take him long to come back in for Chambers after his red card despite Calum playing well in his absence.

If Joe Gomez is the answer I despair a bit. Reminds me of the time we sold Vassell for about 2m and signed Baros for about 7m and it just made little difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on April 08, 2022, 08:50:56 PM
These Konsa rumours emanate from Football Insider.

Their modus operandi is to put enough facebook bollocks out there (amazing transfer revelation!) and hope some of it eventually comes to pass.

Even a stopped clock.

Not that I want to see it, but I've thought for a while that Mings is more likely to depart. I'm sure I've heard Carragher and his ilk say our captain always has a ricket in him.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 08, 2022, 08:54:52 PM
I'm not sure Gerrrad would have put Konsa back in after Chambers kept a couple of clean sheets and scored if he didn't rate him. Chambers deserved to keep his place if anything.



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 08, 2022, 09:46:55 PM
I get the feeling Gerrard doesn’t rate Konsa as much as we do.

He's started the vast majority of games and didn't take him long to come back in for Chambers after his red card despite Calum playing well in his absence.

If Joe Gomez is the answer I despair a bit. Reminds me of the time we sold Vassell for about 2m and signed Baros for about 7m and it just made little difference.

We swapped Baros for Carew.

Edit: which I now realise has nothing to do with how we bought him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on April 08, 2022, 10:08:59 PM
My personal favourite:

Balenciaga (https://www.harrods.com/en-gb/shopping/balenciaga-reversible-parka-17361354) v Screwfix (https://www.screwfix.com/p/hi-vis-traffic-jacket-yellow-blue-large-54-chest/455fh)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 10:31:20 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is a fair assesment - maybe 1 central defender.

Also think its key that most of them are "leader" type players - too few of our players are prepared to stand up and be counted to use a wanky phrase
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 08, 2022, 10:33:29 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 08, 2022, 10:38:07 PM
A midfielder, Coutinho and an amazing centre forward will do me. Not anyone "quite good", I want a Coutinho-type signing but as a centre forward, please.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 10:38:19 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 08, 2022, 10:50:21 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 08, 2022, 10:59:51 PM
We need a LB on that list as well, otherwise our back up is Young again (if he stays).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 08, 2022, 11:51:35 PM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Hopefully they will be more frequent -  Ramsey for his age is the better than any other 20 year old villa player I have seen for since probably Barry. 

Think some of those on Loan could be pretty special.  It’s a difficult path to walk in terms of blooding them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 09, 2022, 12:44:28 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 09, 2022, 08:43:06 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.

Yep I strongly agree with this.  I think there’s some good players in the squad - including midfielders - but they do not suit Gerrard’s 4321.  Change two of the three midfielders and I reckon the rest will improve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 09, 2022, 08:58:28 AM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo
I think this is pretty accurate and why I think Top 6 is unlikely.
Maybe, but maybe in the medium term 1 or 2 of those can be filled with homegrown talent, which maybe makes it less unlikely ?  Or maybe thats wishful thinking
It’s the wishful thinking that keeps you going.
Getting youngsters to transition to the PL level is one thing, but for them to be PL elite level is pretty rare. Our last in a generation fucked off up the M6.

So not exactly corporation omnibus frequency.
Hopefully they will be more frequent -  Ramsey for his age is the better than any other 20 year old villa player I have seen for since probably Barry. 

Think some of those on Loan could be pretty special.  It’s a difficult path to walk in terms of blooding them
Fingers X mate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on April 09, 2022, 09:15:25 AM
That Haaland looks decent, we should go for him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 09, 2022, 09:24:31 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
This.

Yep I strongly agree with this.  I think there’s some good players in the squad - including midfielders - but they do not suit Gerrard’s 4321.  Change two of the three midfielders and I reckon the rest will improve.
Add me to the list of agree-ers. Think a lot of our problems would be sorted with having midfielders who were more suited to their roles. I'd keep McGinn though, barring a silly offer. Play him further up the pitch & he'd be fine. It's just his ball retention isn't anywhere near what it needs to be to play in the position he's in now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 09, 2022, 09:31:16 AM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 10:11:39 AM
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.
Fix the midfield, and the defence will look better. Mings is a very good defender most of the time, but the more pressure he’s under, the more chance he has to drop a bollock. We need to keep the ball much, much better than we do, with McGinn usually being the chief culprit in giving it away. Selling Konsa would be madness.

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 09, 2022, 10:12:56 AM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on April 09, 2022, 10:15:15 AM
Our problem is that, in every department, we have very good individuals but we cannot seem to make a team out of them. We get beaten so often it is criminal. I hate how often we lose and wish we could draw more of those games. As individuals, a lot our players would be valuable and prized by a lot of prem teams. Maybe a proper pre-season is what we need, to mould a proper team that's hard to beat?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 09, 2022, 10:52:32 AM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.

Playing McGinn further up the pitch is the standard statement that I sort of agree with, but you do make an excellent point. The same sort of applies to Dougie as well.
Its all well and good all of us saying that our Midfield is poor because players are playing out of position or in the wrong role, but im not convinced they are good enough in other roles. Ramsey I think is the only exception to this argument as he seems like a cracking player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 09, 2022, 10:53:20 AM
That Haaland looks decent, we should go for him
Only if Davies leaves
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 11:25:11 AM
If our medium term aim is to break into the top 6
we will need
2 central defenders
2 midfielders one being a CDM
1 forward preferably goalscoring

imo




Better make that 2 strikers after yesterday (hopefully one we already got out on loan)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 12:02:17 PM

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better



The central defenders aren't as poor on the ball as McGinn is. He made at least 3 absolute kamikaze passes yesterday, he's atrocious. When the team lined up, Luiz was sitting just in fron the of the back four, with Ramsey and McGinn a lot more advanced in a sort of 'V' formation. McGinn was atrocious though. He's slow, clearly overweight and he does nothing of note at all. Gives the ball away, doesn't create much and doesn't score goals.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 12:39:20 PM

Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better



The central defenders aren't as poor on the ball as McGinn is. He made at least 3 absolute kamikaze passes yesterday, he's atrocious. When the team lined up, Luiz was sitting just in fron the of the back four, with Ramsey and McGinn a lot more advanced in a sort of 'V' formation. McGinn was atrocious though. He's slow, clearly overweight and he does nothing of note at all. Gives the ball away, doesn't create much and doesn't score goals.

Yeah really can’t argue with any of that because it’s just a load of bollocks 😊

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 10, 2022, 12:43:25 PM
Yes sorry John, I've clearly ignored McGinn getting into double figures every year to make a point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 10, 2022, 12:45:51 PM
Yes sorry John, I've clearly ignored McGinn getting into double figures every year to make a point.

Sorry I didn’t read the whole post I just read the first line and gave up
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 10, 2022, 01:22:04 PM
If McGinn plays further up the pitch, he will have to weigh in with his fair share of goals and assists, I wonder if we have better players at the club who already play that role, or if McGinn can adapt his game to the level that Gerrard wants.  That DCM role is absolutely key to what we achieve next season.

Ramsey's already scored 7 in the league hasn't he? If he add a couple more v likes of Norwich and Burnley that will be him hitting double figures in the league while still developing which will be some achievement. Was unlucky not to score yesterday.

Hard to think McGinn could ever hit double figures even playing as AM imo.

Someone younger and better than McGinn in the actual "McGinn" role.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 10, 2022, 02:25:42 PM
If Man United do want McGinn, I would feign any desire to sell, milk them for every penny and then go and get Ward-Prowse. For me JWP is a similar player, better, right footed (so not having to have a left footed player on the right who keeps coming inside), more adaptable and wouldn't have a problem dropping into right back when Cash goes forward and is obviously one of the best at set pieces around.

Then Douglas Luiz can go and we can get the mythical defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the defence with Nakamba as another option, or the option to play 2 holding midfielders when we're playing the better sides.

Far too easy to go through our midfield yesterday and be straight into the defence.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 10, 2022, 02:45:59 PM
PSV Noni Madueke  rumours but he's a winger so probably rubbish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 10, 2022, 02:46:53 PM
We should sell Luiz, he's no better than Hourihane.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 10, 2022, 02:57:55 PM
PSV Noni Madueke  rumours but he's a winger so probably rubbish.

God spare us from more bloody wingers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 04:34:46 PM
Gerrard poo-poo'd the suggestion he was was running the rule over him at the PSV-Lesta WaferConference match on Thursday.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 10, 2022, 05:05:40 PM
If Man United do want McGinn, I would feign any desire to sell, milk them for every penny and then go and get Ward-Prowse. For me JWP is a similar player, better, right footed (so not having to have a left footed player on the right who keeps coming inside), more adaptable and wouldn't have a problem dropping into right back when Cash goes forward and is obviously one of the best at set pieces around.

Then Douglas Luiz can go and we can get the mythical defensive midfielder who can sit in front of the defence with Nakamba as another option, or the option to play 2 holding midfielders when we're playing the better sides.

Far too easy to go through our midfield yesterday and be straight into the defence.
Buying JWP and a DM would be great business.Totally agree about how easy it is to go through our midfield and straight at our defence.
It would have been worthwhile yesterday to start with either Chambers or Tim Iroegbunam to try and fix that problem and if successful ,it could mean that we could sell Nakamba.
McGinn is one of our better players if played in an advanced role.We have quite a few players who didn't feature yesterday who could be sold to enlarge the 'warchest'
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:12:47 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 10, 2022, 06:26:37 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 10, 2022, 06:28:14 PM
Matthew 24:13 is evidently the best.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 10, 2022, 06:51:10 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?

No to the last one as I think Rondon's past it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 10, 2022, 06:58:27 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26

Certainly deals with my favourite type of woman.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 10, 2022, 06:59:34 PM
Sorry for the x 3 Risso quote
Don’t know what happened there

John 18:13-27

My favourite verse is Ecclesiastes 7:26

Certainly deals with my favourite type of woman.
Awake?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 10, 2022, 07:45:31 PM
Can we afford both Matthew and John and do we really need Solomon?

Cash and McGinn are now among the highest earners at the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 11, 2022, 07:21:51 AM
Matthew 24:13 is evidently the best.
Mine is geniunely Mark 11:12-14, where Jesus has a go at a fig tree for not producing fruit out of season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 12, 2022, 10:47:32 AM
Is Gomez any good? - I havent seen enough of him.  He was awful against us in the 7-2, but obviously that was a bit of a 1 off.

Were heavily linked with him but all I know about him is he is injured a lot.

Think any other time I have seen liverpool I havent noticed if he is playing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hillbilly on April 12, 2022, 11:02:47 AM


Not wishing to be controversial for the sake of it but I see it exactly the opposite

all our central defenders are so poor with the ball with no composure that they automatically put more pressure on the midfield players,
midfield is having to drop back pick up the ball do the work that a decent ball playing central defender could be doing
They are so slow and ponderous, There can’t be a player in the premiership that has passed the ball back to the goalkeeper more than Konsa,
For me playing the ball out from our first third is our biggest weakness atm, It’s agonising to watch at times

In summary fix the central defence and the midfield will look a lot better

[/quote]

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: thick_mike on April 12, 2022, 11:29:12 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nunkin1965 on April 12, 2022, 11:35:57 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 12, 2022, 11:53:17 AM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 12, 2022, 01:51:25 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Certainly a better choice than Young.Bringing Chambers into the middle would boost the passing ability at the back.A rampant Mings,carnage and entertainment.What's not to like ?
Can't see Gerrard opting for it,unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 12, 2022, 01:55:29 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair). It's a throwback to how BFR got the nickname 'Tank'. Maybe make him the DM? Worth it for a laugh.

I think he’d be sent off in the first 15 minutes of every match, but it would be fun while it lasted.
Its always fun when a centre half breaks through the lines.
You can almost sense both sets of players thinking wtf do we do now?!
Mings as a DM would be carnage and entertainment in equal measure.

Mybe not as DM, but I'd give him Digne's job if he's out for the season. A rampant Mings on the left wing may just salvage some fun from this season, and I've got this nagging suspiscion that he'd end up being a revelation, a kind of 21st century Paul Warhurst.
Certainly a better choice than Young.Bringing Chambers into the middle would boost the passing ability at the back.A rampant Mings,carnage and entertainment.What's not to like ?
Can't see Gerrard opting for it,unfortunately.


Judging by I think Sons third goal he was out on the left wing anyway. (when Konsa missed Kanes flick)   I would give him a go and play Hause at centre, Korntney just defends   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 12, 2022, 01:58:53 PM
Mings the Marauder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 12, 2022, 06:18:29 PM
I’m in. Be like Jedinak ending the match up front against Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2022, 06:58:12 PM
Paul Warhurst for the jilted generation, who'da thunk it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on April 12, 2022, 07:40:45 PM
I'd be up for getting Mings to go on more of his rampages. How can the other team know what to do when even Mings has no particular idea what he's doing or where he's going.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 12, 2022, 08:23:06 PM
Mings is a full back after all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 12, 2022, 09:00:05 PM
Fernandinho leaving Man City in the summer. We could do worse than offering him a one year contract.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2022, 09:02:37 PM

I find it massively entertaining when Mings decides to carry the ball forward himself. It seems to strike panic into the opposition (and his teammates to be fair).

When he does that, I imagine him having YouTube videos of Paolo Maldini playing in his head.

Whereas in my head, this is playing:

(https://media4.giphy.com/media/NHrsn15JJqPNS/giphy.gif?cid=790b76112cafaa58eb3ffdc3187972f441b56516983f4a9c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 12, 2022, 10:35:53 PM
Mings is a full back after all.

Only in the same way that Daft Punk were human after all.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 12, 2022, 10:41:15 PM
Mings is a full back after all.

Only in the same way that Daft Punk were human after all.

Also Rag n Bone Twat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: coreyfeldman on April 13, 2022, 12:18:01 AM
Fernandinho leaving Man City in the summer. We could do worse than offering him a one year contract.

He's announced he's going Brazil
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Jon Crofts on April 13, 2022, 02:12:05 AM
We built a team around Joe Greedlish, he’s gone onto a bigger payslip now so who do we build a team around next?
Coutinho?
Buendia?
Ramsey?

I just can’t see anything other than another 2 or 3 seasons of turmoil and instability right now I’m afraid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 13, 2022, 06:27:40 AM
I would hope our transfer policy is no longer to build a team around one player, but to provide a cohesive unit that allows individuals to strut their stuff, while the team performs on a collective level.

Too long have we relied on one/two people to provide the goods, we must have better options than that throughout the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: andyh on April 13, 2022, 07:03:57 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Des Little on April 13, 2022, 07:08:44 AM
Find his way? No need...the car is ready and waiting and I’ve done us some sandwiches for the trip.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 07:33:53 AM
I would hope our transfer policy is no longer to build a team around one player, but to provide a cohesive unit that allows individuals to strut their stuff, while the team performs on a collective level.

Too long have we relied on one/two people to provide the goods, we must have better options than that throughout the squad.

Yep. Coutinho, Buendia and Ramsey are all good players that can, have, and will make a difference.

We need to sort out how we plan to play though and, it appears, we need to buy different players to suit the manager's system.

Under Smith (sorry) we could just about cope without a defensive midfielder, under Gerrard it's an absolute necessity (because of the full backs' positioning). We should therefore be buying two of them, unless Nakamba can do it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 07:37:37 AM
I'd keep Ings.

I'm pretty sure Archer could do a job of sorts next season but it's too early to put the pressure on him being a starter.

I do think it's inevitable Gerrard will be after another striker though. Abraham? He'd be first choice now, and I'd wager that was part of the reason he didn't come last summer, with Watkins having done so well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 08:59:52 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.
If we'd come into this season with just Watkins and Davis as back up we'd rightly have been complaing we once once again light up front.  And right now I'm sure people would be saying Ings is just the sort of quality experienced striker we need for next season.

I think people forget how good he is.  He's been one of the best finishers in the league for years.  And although he seems to have lost his shooting boots this season I still think his overall game has been impressive - his hold up and link up play is miles ahead of Watkins.  Part of the problem has been some niggling injuries, a lack of consistent game time and no settled formation.  Personally I wish Gerrard would just comit to him for the rest of the season as a loan striker to see what he can do.

As for Bissouma, yes absolutely.  We should have got him in Jan and he's still a good option now.   
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 09:20:10 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 09:22:59 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Harry Kane missed load of chances in the first half of the season.  Was right off form.  Looked past it?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 09:42:35 AM
Ings role in the team is to take chances and he has been failing in that much too often this season.
Looks past it.
Harry Kane missed load of chances in the first half of the season.  Was right off form.  Looked past it?
If only the comparison was valid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 13, 2022, 09:56:17 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 13, 2022, 09:59:35 AM
The thought/story/suggestion that Ings could find his way to Brighton as a makeweight in a deal for Bissouma is one I wholeheartedly approve of.

I'm not sure, I just don't get the obsession with Bissouma, he's ok but I think some people are in danger of setting the bar so high for him (if he does join) that he'll stand no chance of meeting their expectations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 10:07:05 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 10:32:49 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
Goal conversion ratio 13.5%
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2022, 10:41:29 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

Instinctive one on finishes against Brentford and Southampton. He's more impressive gettingbhis shotsnaway quickly than Watkins is.

On the downside, he must have been thinking of his stonking bicycle kick against Newcastle on Saturday, cos he launched himself in the air twice against Spurs for shots when he didn't need to.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 13, 2022, 10:45:10 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 10:52:57 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.
I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

As for this season, yes he's missed chances but I don't think his overall play has been shocking by any means.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ez on April 13, 2022, 10:55:33 AM
I'd never classed Ings as anything more than a lower half Premier League forward, his stock had seemingly risen higher than that at Southampton but the evidence I've seen in a Villa shirt suggests I was right in the first place.

He lacks pace and has missed every one on one I can think of. If there's truth in the Brighton rumour I'd be thankful and snap their hands off.

Seems a nice bloke mind.

One excellent season in the Premier League, and that's pretty much it. He was injured a lot of course, but he's not the prolific goal-getter he's often portrayed as. He's been largely shocking for us.
I have to admit I bought into that portrayal but he looks just about done at this level probably due to injuries. If we can get half our money back we should take it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 13, 2022, 11:00:46 AM
He'll only look done when he's not getting into the positions to score goals. His movement and lay-offs are still more than adequate. We just need to find him in the right places more frequently for him to get his shots off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 13, 2022, 11:12:09 AM
For whatever reason, it just hasn't worked out for Ings at Villa. He's a good player though. He got a move to Liverpool on the back of great performances for Burnley and only failed at Anfield because he had terrible injury problems.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 11:21:26 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 11:34:09 AM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Thats not really the point.  Youre pretty much now calling him a one season wonder.  That didn't come accross as your views on him when he signed. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 13, 2022, 12:35:22 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

Fans in getting excited at a new signing shocker. People were pleased when we signed N’Zogbia, it’s just what football fans do.
Thats not really the point.  Youre pretty much now calling him a one season wonder.  That didn't come accross as your views on him when he signed.

Shit the fucking bed, ace!!

He's a really good goal scorer, but also has a nice bit of skill to him. He did Luiz up like a kipper in one of the games last year, where he dummied it and sort of chipped it past him. You'd have expected a Brazilian to have done that to him, not the other way round.

So many lovely options! Ings as the 9, Watkins and Bailey wide, Buendia as the 10, Traore in the wings, but most of them nice and interchangeable.

Superb goal, nothing more to say. Wasn't one of those overhead kicks that are hit and hope but look good when they work, he intentionally arrowed it into the corner. I can't even begin to imagine how you do that.

Sorry Risso.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on April 13, 2022, 01:00:27 PM
It has rarely worked well when we have tried to push the boat out and sign players supposedly at their peak. I'm thinking of players like Collymore, Stone, Angel etc. Even in the Championship there was McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia etc.

It's easy to say now, whilst being broadly supportive of signing Ings, I was sceptical about his age, injury record, lack of re-sale value and tactical specificity.

I suppose it's obvious, but when you sign players at their peak, it really has to work out - the transfer fees are high risk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 13, 2022, 01:54:57 PM
It has rarely worked well when we have tried to push the boat out and sign players supposedly at their peak. I'm thinking of players like Collymore, Stone, Angel etc. Even in the Championship there was McCormack, Hogan, Kodjia etc.

It's easy to say now, whilst being broadly supportive of signing Ings, I was sceptical about his age, injury record, lack of re-sale value and tactical specificity.

I suppose it's obvious, but when you sign players at their peak, it really has to work out - the transfer fees are high risk.

Angel ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 13, 2022, 03:00:12 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 04:34:21 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 13, 2022, 04:38:50 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Possibly on current form.  But Ings is certainly the more accomplished finisher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 13, 2022, 04:41:56 PM
Ings is about as reliable in front of goal as Watkins.
Possibly on current form.  But Ings is certainly the more accomplished finisher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 13, 2022, 07:32:00 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.

There was the odd cynic...kind of glass half empty merchants, mind. Think we were in a collective post Grealish depression and Ings seemed the perfect panacea. But the partnership with Watkins has never looked like working unfortunately bar the odd day like against his old club.

I wasn't expecting an elite athlete but he genuinely looks gassed after about 60 mins when he starts for us. That day at West Ham, he looked knackered before half time. Gerrard wants his forwards pressing hard from the front but that's not Ings game at all. From what I recall of him at Southampton, he was more about movement in and around the box.

Just seems like the classic poor fit for us. Excellent movement for two gilt edged chances v Spurs and flunks the finishing bit that his career suggests in his strength. He will probably do a decent job elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 07:43:06 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 07:52:57 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Yeah it's probably not Ings fault that he cant kick a football at a big massive goal from 6 yards out.

Why are we making excuses for Ings all the time? Hes been piss poor for Villa, it doesn't matter what the formation is or how hes used, he has had numerous chances. He hasn't just missed them he cant even connect with a football correctly.

I give Ollie a bit of slack because he works really hard but even that is wearing thin but Ings has no redeeming features.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 07:55:19 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 07:59:39 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

so my apologies if that was sarcasm that went over my head, but I call that an excuse.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 13, 2022, 08:01:49 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

Unless that was sarcasm that went over my head.
that was one comment, which is pretty accurate.

Doesn't really strike me as people making excuses for Ings all the time.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 13, 2022, 08:07:48 PM
not sure who is making excuses for him all of the time. Who is?
His output needs to be better - but it's nothing new for Villa to sign a striker then not play to their strengths.

Erm Didn't you just say that he hasn't had a manager at Villa that didn't know how to use him?

Unless that was sarcasm that went over my head.
that was one comment, which is pretty accurate.

Doesn't really strike me as people making excuses for Ings all the time.

Well lets agree to disagree. I don't want to get into a long you I said thread.

It doesn't matter what anyone says Ings simply cant connect with a ball never mind have a shot.
Perhaps it was an exaggeration on my part but Ollie was getting a lot of stick which he may deserve and Ings was getting a away with a lot until very recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 13, 2022, 08:26:27 PM
Ings missed two absolute sitters in the first half on Saturday. The volley from a free kick which he hit straight at the keeper and then a dreadful scuffed shot from a Watkins header after a corner. The tactics were therefore obviously fine, as we created chance after chance. He just botched both chances horribly. Hard to see how that is Gerrard not getting the best out of him to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 13, 2022, 08:43:53 PM
Let's be honest, the Ings signing was met with massive approval by nearly everybody on here. You can say it hasn't worked for us so far but knocking him as a footballer months after saying what a signing it was is just odd.

I was just thinking exactly that.  Views were a lot more positive at the start of the Ings thread, not much mention of him only having had one excellent season there.

Same here, the mood on here was pretty giddy when he signed Ings.

There was the odd cynic...kind of glass half empty merchants, mind. Think we were in a collective post Grealish depression and Ings seemed the perfect panacea. But the partnership with Watkins has never looked like working unfortunately bar the odd day like against his old club.

I wasn't expecting an elite athlete but he genuinely looks gassed after about 60 mins when he starts for us. That day at West Ham, he looked knackered before half time. Gerrard wants his forwards pressing hard from the front but that's not Ings game at all. From what I recall of him at Southampton, he was more about movement in and around the box.

Just seems like the classic poor fit for us. Excellent movement for two gilt edged chances v Spurs and flunks the finishing bit that his career suggests in his strength. He will probably do a decent job elsewhere.


Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 13, 2022, 10:10:47 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 14, 2022, 11:29:27 AM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 14, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?

Offer of first team football?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 14, 2022, 12:12:23 PM
We pay big bucks, and don't put too much pressure on players to deliver. The Villa offer is the best a man can get.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 14, 2022, 02:03:10 PM
There's a long way between scouting a player and offering them a deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 14, 2022, 02:33:25 PM
Aston Villa have expressed interest in Germany centre-back Matthias Ginter, whose Borussia Monchengladbach contract expires at the end of the season. The 28-year-old has also been scouted by Juventus, Tottenham and West Ham. (Sky Sports)

Looking at this with my Villa glasses off, and assuming the player had comparable offers from certainly Juventus and Tottenham, why would he choose to come to us given the clubs positions in their respective leagues?

Offer of first team football?

Stevie G?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2022, 02:44:52 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 15, 2022, 02:52:23 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on April 15, 2022, 07:20:37 AM
so many thought it was a great signing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 15, 2022, 07:22:39 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 15, 2022, 09:54:01 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.

I'm guessing this post is sarcasm?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 15, 2022, 11:37:03 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

It worked in the Brighton, Southampton and Leeds games. And they played well enough and created enough chances against Tottenham to have won the game. I'd liked to see it given between now and the end of the season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on April 15, 2022, 12:10:52 PM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

I think I'm going back to my original point. It doesn't matter what the formation is, Ings has had really good chances and has made an absolute pigs ear of all of them.

It's our manger's fault our strikers miss their chances. In another system, suited to the players he has at his disposal, they would put all those chances away with aplomb. Tactics, innit.

I'm guessing this post is sarcasm?

Yes, mate. I was riled up this morning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 15, 2022, 01:24:39 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 15, 2022, 03:13:29 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I’d prefer him what pulled Joe’s hair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 15, 2022, 05:12:01 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 15, 2022, 06:04:00 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.

Hope he's better than his cousin we got from Wigan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 15, 2022, 06:12:47 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid. 

Defensive midfielder, played for France before switching to CAR. Played for Monaco, Inter, Valemcia, Atletico so cant be terrible. Can also play left back. All off google so no idea if he is suited to the English league, but good CV.
Do we know what the fee would be?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2022, 07:21:18 PM
No more ogbias in this lifetime pls.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 18, 2022, 10:15:32 PM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on April 19, 2022, 01:15:36 AM
It's probably not Ings' fault he's had 2 managers at Villa who haven't a clue how to use him.

Both managers have tried to avoid the decision that has been pretty obvious from the start - we need to play with one striker and one of Ings or Watkins has to start and the other has to start on the bench. 

Both managers have tried on a pretty consistent basis to shoehorn both into the side and it hasn't worked.

It worked in the Brighton, Southampton and Leeds games. And they played well enough and created enough chances against Tottenham to have won the game. I'd liked to see it given between now and the end of the season.

Point taken, but then I suppose the counter to that is they were only three games and it hasn't worked in a lot more.  One of my main issues with it is that when they play away from that central role and drift into wider and deeper areas, both give the ball away a lot. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 19, 2022, 08:29:35 AM
These Suarez links won’t go away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 19, 2022, 08:36:05 AM
If you go away on this summer day
Then you might as well take the sun away
All the birds that flew in a summer sky
When our love was new and our hearts were high…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 19, 2022, 11:45:18 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 19, 2022, 11:50:06 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.

That sounds a bit like what we have already in Nakamba to be honest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 19, 2022, 11:58:09 AM
Being linked with Geoffrey Kondogbia of Atletico Madrid.

I thought he looked quite good in the games against Man City, could certainly give us a bit of physicality in midfield.
I listened to a podcast about him (For the Love of Paul Magrath).  It was a fairly basic statistical analysis but in short it seems he does the basic defensive stuff very well, but sounds very limited in terms of progressive play.  Maybe what we need, but I do prefer the idea of someone with a better all round game.

That sounds a bit like what we have already in Nakamba to be honest.
Exactly what I thought, albeit he does have a very good CV and has played at a higher level I guess.  But (according to this analysis) he's no Declan Rice unfortunately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: robleflaneur on April 19, 2022, 12:27:04 PM
Not seen him in action but he has played for a lot of top clubs and also ,according to Wikipedia,he can play left back and in central defence.Also got some caps for France at a young age in non competitive matches before switching his allegiance to Central African Republic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 19, 2022, 05:16:46 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on April 19, 2022, 07:21:52 PM
Kondogbia is a good player.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 20, 2022, 07:03:52 PM
Kalidou Koulibaly on clickbait
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 20, 2022, 07:19:10 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Buendia?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SaddVillan on April 20, 2022, 08:04:01 PM
This was posted on the Birmingham Mail in response to an article saying that Chieck Doucoure (Lens midfielder) who we rumoured to be looking at last summer is being lined up by Palace - it made me laugh anyway.

If Villa did want him I think they may be able to outbid Palace if not it's not a problem as this is just one of the 100's of midfielders Villa are buying this window add to that the 100's of defenders and attackers we are also buying we are going to need a much bigger training ground and we can fill the north stand with unused squad players . Any players left that they have not been linked with ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 20, 2022, 08:48:38 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 20, 2022, 08:49:35 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Asking if they will take sanson back?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 20, 2022, 09:22:56 PM
Thing is, we already play Ramsey on the left and McGinn should really be playing on the left to stop him turning inside. Really could do with someone who can play on the right.
Buendia?

I was thinking more of a defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 20, 2022, 09:24:16 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 20, 2022, 10:33:35 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?

He’d be a good pick up.
I wonder if we’re after a striker, Milik is proven although had some recent injury problems and by all accounts has a modest buy out clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 20, 2022, 11:01:38 PM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.

Boubacar Kamara?

He’d be a good pick up.
I wonder if we’re after a striker, Milik is proven although had some recent injury problems and by all accounts has a modest buy out clause.

I'd be much happier with Kamara than Bissouma, looks a very good player for me, but would need some time to settle.

Milik is a fantastic player but as far as I'm aware he's on loan this year but already signed to join permanently in the summer, I can't imagine he'd be available.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 20, 2022, 11:19:52 PM
I just remember hearing that he had a buyout clause of around £15m, perhaps that was the pre arranged fee with Napoli then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2022, 09:19:49 AM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Boubacar Kamara?
Better to turn a £20m player (B Kamara) into a £50m player, rather than the reverse (i.e. Bissouma)?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 21, 2022, 09:59:13 AM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AGRIPPA on April 21, 2022, 11:05:34 AM
Gerrard, Purslow and Lange are at Marseille v Nantes tonight.
Boubacar Kamara?
Better to turn a £20m player (B Kamara) into a £50m player, rather than the reverse (i.e. Bissouma)?

But thats the Villa way!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 21, 2022, 12:27:02 PM
Purslow being there suggests something happening other than mere scouting.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 21, 2022, 12:51:53 PM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey

There is some real quality on that list, which is encouraging
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 21, 2022, 01:17:20 PM
Mind you, we've done so well with our imports from the French League over the years you can understand the continuing interest;
Berson, Djemba-Djemba (via Man Yoo), Makoun, Sylla, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Engels, Traore, Guilbert, Sanson.

Ok Carew was good and Gueye wasn't bad as well i suppose. To be fair plenty of talent with most of the others but were pretty unsuitable for the PL.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 21, 2022, 01:19:18 PM
Mind you, we've done so well with our imports from the French League over the years you can understand the continuing interest;
Berson, Djemba-Djemba (via Man Yoo), Makoun, Sylla, Vertout, Amavi, Ayew, Engels, Traore, Guilbert, Sanson.
Ok Carew was good and Gueye wasn't bad as well i suppose. To be fair plenty of talent with most of the others but were pretty unsuitable for the PL.
Well, that certainly sucked the positivism out of my day; thanks!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 21, 2022, 01:59:00 PM
There was role in the offing for our own BE to replace Lorna McClelland as our Player Liaison Officer. He could have made sure all those French lads fell in love with Brum and the club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 21, 2022, 02:34:39 PM
Just a little list of players we've been linked with recently. Obviously Bouba Kamara being watched by Gerrard, Lange and Purslow is the strongest indication of who we are going for. I'm guessing with that sort of delegation we were hoping for a pre-contract thingy to be signed.

Bissouma
Phillips
Kamara (B)
Kamara (G)
Kondogbia
Ginter
Suarez
Sangare
Koulibaly
Hickey

Hickey
Ginter
Bounacar Kamara and Kalvin Philips
Coutinho

Bring Kessler & Archer into the squad.  Sign up Chuk.

Lets not bother spending fortunes on a 35 y/o but if you can twist Tammy's arm that would be lovely.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bad English on April 21, 2022, 03:58:27 PM
There was role in the offing for our own BE to replace Lorna McClelland as our Player Liaison Officer. He could have made sure all those French lads fell in love with Brum and the club.
I'd have delegated Percy to show them round.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 23, 2022, 10:59:09 AM
Fulham loanee Seko Fofana (playing for Lens currently) rumoured to be on our radar (BBC website, 23-04-22).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 23, 2022, 11:49:33 AM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 23, 2022, 12:11:13 PM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.

I'm not sure, he's a very good player but he'd take the role that Ramsey has in the team and I reckon that's the least of our worries in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on April 23, 2022, 12:34:39 PM
Fulham being linked with Lazio midfielder Sergej Milinkovic Savic probably nothing in it but he’d be a serious midfield upgrade for us.


I'm not sure, he's a very good player but he'd take the role that Ramsey has in the team and I reckon that's the least of our worries in there.

Don’t disagree regarding Ramsey but competition and arguably better than McGinn/Luiz. By no means a priority position but sometimes if a player becomes available
who wouldn’t normally be for whatever reason and who’s an upgrade it might happen. We’ve done it in the not too distant past with Sanson and Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on April 24, 2022, 12:02:53 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Neil Hawkes on April 24, 2022, 04:36:52 PM
I'd like to see in a centre forward and a defensive midfielder, minimum.
Then I'd like a 4-2-1-3
Defence as they are (if no serious upgrades are available).
Midfield 2 = The new guy & Tim/Marvellous.
Midfield 1 = Ramsey/McGinn/Luiz
Forward 3 = The new guy and what we have, plus Cameron.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 24, 2022, 05:00:30 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 24, 2022, 08:13:28 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 24, 2022, 08:26:35 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.

Boubacar Kamara is out of contract in the summer and can therefore sign an agreement with aclub outside France right now, Purslow being there for the scouting trip makes him the most obvious target I think, and I hope that's the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 24, 2022, 08:46:41 PM
It's possible that we were looking at Duje Caleta-Car as well as Boubacar Kamara from Marseille according to today's rumours.

Some hack saw the camera pan to Gerrard, Lange and Purslow during Marseille's midweek game and have plucked a couple of possibilities out of the air.

I doubt that all three of them would have made the trip without good reason. I would assume that’s the last stage of finalizing a target. And we know we’ve been after a DM.

Boubacar Kamara is out of contract in the summer and can therefore sign an agreement with aclub outside France right now, Purslow being there for the scouting trip makes him the most obvious target I think, and I hope that's the case.
Yes hopefully.  But i do wonder if CP was just there so they can discuss things more generally - probably difficult to get the three of them to find time, and a flight, meal and match would be a good time - plus scouting
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 24, 2022, 08:58:59 PM
Yes hopefully.  But i do wonder if CP was just there so they can discuss things more generally - probably difficult to get the three of them to find time, and a flight, meal and match would be a good time - plus scouting

Sounds plausible, just surprised someone hasn't tried to claim it was a 'PR stunt' by Purslow.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 25, 2022, 10:40:47 AM
Wishlist...

Andre Silva (RB Leipzig)
Moussa Diaby (Leverkusen)
Josef Martinez (Atlanta)
Rafa Silva (Benfica)
Tyler Adams (RB Leipzig)
Teun Koopmeiners (Atalanta)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 25, 2022, 11:02:22 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on April 25, 2022, 11:20:48 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

That's a big part of the reqason why he's my first choice, means we can pick up 3 players in the £30-50m range (including Coutinho) and really change the spine of the team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 25, 2022, 11:31:10 AM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

That's a big part of the reqason why he's my first choice, means we can pick up 3 players in the £30-50m range (including Coutinho) and really change the spine of the team.

Agree, and with Marvellous to come back (who was a revelation under Gerrard prior to getting injured) and Iroegbunan to develop we would look a lot stronger. It would also allow us to dump Luiz and bring in £15-20m to chuck in the pot for transfers elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 25, 2022, 12:30:08 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I think considering how badly we need a quality player there and how long we've waited i'd be happy for us to get Kamara on a free and spend up to £50m on another of the same type. If one's shit and one's good at least we will have sorted the position. There might be games where we would be wise to play the 2 anyway, if they're both good.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 25, 2022, 06:23:17 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I wonder how much of that supposed 50 mill will be spent on persuading Kamara to sign on the dotted line though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on April 25, 2022, 11:51:17 PM
If Kamara is our number one target for the defensive midfielder and we sign him on a free, that's £50m that could be used elsewhere.

I wonder how much of that supposed 50 mill will be spent on persuading Kamara to sign on the dotted line though.

Probably around 50m
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on April 26, 2022, 02:28:12 PM
Would Eriksen not be a better signining instead of Phil?
4 mths older + looked more consistent and sharper than PC? Wages seem to half as well...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 26, 2022, 02:36:02 PM
Would Eriksen not be a better signining instead of Phil?
4 mths older + looked more consistent and sharper than PC? Wages seem to half as well...
Possibly, but I do have a bit of an issue about building a team around any one player. Without wishing to sound like Purslow 10 months' ago, we need our game to be played through several people so that oppositions don't simply target one player and the rest of the team looks bereft when said player is not available (a la Grealish).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 09:47:27 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 01:26:28 PM
And, according to the Daily Mail, Ewan Simpson from Hearts (15 year old attacking midfielder)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10756055/Aston-Villa-talks-sign-15-year-old-Hearts-starlet-Ewan-Simpson.html
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2022, 04:02:36 PM
Is there any hope the Gucci model could come back this summer? Not even getting a minute in their most important games lately.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 27, 2022, 04:33:54 PM
He doesn't really look like he's too arsed about it considering how he's been joyfully hugging and celebrating with goalscorers from the sidelines in said games. From Man City's point of view they could have just hired a mascot to do that. I think i'd want him back on loan first to make sure that his mind isn't more focused on his new modelling career rather than football.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 27, 2022, 04:42:19 PM
He doesn't really look like he's too arsed about it considering how he's been joyfully hugging and celebrating with goalscorers from the sidelines in said games. From Man City's point of view they could have just hired a mascot to do that. I think i'd want him back on loan first to make sure that his mind isn't more focused on his new modelling career rather than football.
I agree.  I'm not against bringing Joe home, but I'd want a loan-to-buy arrangement to make sure that he's properly motivated.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2022, 04:44:53 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 27, 2022, 05:05:45 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.
Yes, I think some of the writing off of Jack is a bit premature.  It seems quite a few players take a while to settle into the Pep way.  I expect him to be much more involved next season.

But yes, I'd have him back in a heartbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2022, 05:07:15 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2022, 07:14:20 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.
Agree, I don't think he has the character to deal with adversity. I expect more headlines in the Gossip pages than Sports pages.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2022, 07:22:31 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

Fodens best position is on the left wing though. He also can play on the right as can Mahrez who brings a lot of goals. They don't seem to play with a genuine 10 either, not that Jack ever convinced too much in that role outside the second division. None of them, aside from KdB, convince in that false 9 role. When Haaland joins, that goes away anyway leads to less sympathy run outs like he had at the weekend.

Grealish for all his talents just doesn't seem the right fit there. Sterling too is surely off this summer. Grealish is at his best when the play is funnelled through him and he can run with the ball. Pep doesn't want that. He does it well with England too even in some recent games.

Let's not kid ourselves, he'd be the best player in our team immediately with or without Gucci, Sasha and the rest of his circus. Would also improve every other attacking player too, he even had Ross Barkley looking competent for a while!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 08:37:12 PM
Mahrez took over a year to settle and I suspect Jack will be the same.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2022, 09:11:09 PM
Mahrez took over a year to settle and I suspect Jack will be the same.
I think you might want to compare the stats.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 09:37:14 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2022, 09:48:02 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2022, 09:51:02 PM
Grealish is inverting the "difficult second album" syndrome. He'll be great next season for them, unfortunately. It's the Pep bedding-in way, innit.

I don't think he will. He'll still be behind the likes of Foden, Mahrez and De Bruyne in the important games, as they just bring a lot more goal threat than he does. Then they're likely to have Alvarez and Haaland too.

Their signing of him was pretty revolting really - they just had to sign him, because they could - he was the hottest property and they had to had him. It didn't really matter whether or not they'd really get the best out of their £100m, they just had to show that they could get him.

They are people who know the price of everything and the value of nothing.

I suspect he'll hang around there for 2 or 3 years, spend a lot of time on the bench and then go somewhere dispiriting like Everton.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2022, 09:56:52 PM
Not sure he’ll want to drop to League One.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2022, 09:57:23 PM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.

I wouldn't bet against City fans feeling about Grealish the way Real Madrid fans feel about Gareth Bale in about 3 or 4 years.  All the talent in the world, but he's wasted in a team that plays the way City does. He'll either step up and slowly take over De Bruyne's position over the next two years, or he'll become known as one of the most expensive flops in football history.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on April 28, 2022, 06:49:08 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 28, 2022, 07:16:41 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!

Good news. Roma linked with Doug Luiz again. They must be looking for a corner kick specialist.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2022, 07:29:24 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £10m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2022, 07:40:35 AM
I don’t think it’s all about stats though, it’s about adapting to a style of play. I also think it’s probably a bigger shift for Grealish - he played for a team where literally everything went through him and he’s now one of a number of stars in a system. He has the talent to succeed there, but he’ll have to adapt and that takes time. I don’t really care if it works out, but I’m not surprised it hasn’t yet.

For it to work out, he's going to have to play a lot more than he does now. Their current attacking players offer much more than he does, and they've already bought Alvarez and might be adding Haaland.

I wouldn't bet against City fans feeling about Grealish the way Real Madrid fans feel about Gareth Bale in about 3 or 4 years.  All the talent in the world, but he's wasted in a team that plays the way City does. He'll either step up and slowly take over De Bruyne's position over the next two years, or he'll become known as one of the most expensive flops in football history.

Coutinho would pass him the trophy.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 08:39:45 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 08:59:53 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

Well, he’s certainly well rested! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:20:45 AM
If Jack was available in a couple of years time, most on here would be wetting themselves with excitement to sign him!

Good news. Roma linked with Doug Luiz again. They must be looking for a corner kick specialist.

So why do they want to sign Doug then? :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 09:21:22 AM
I think that was the joke …
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:22:20 AM
I think that was the joke …

I know....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2022, 09:23:33 AM
They’re not funny if you have to explain them! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: JD on April 28, 2022, 09:27:00 AM
They’re not funny if you have to explain them! ;)

You're a nasty man sometimes Risso. Only kidding  ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2022, 09:32:33 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

It's meant to be a 0. I've been up since half 5, leave me be you bully.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 09:41:39 AM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

It's meant to be a 0. I've been up since half 5, leave me be you bully.

We ought to be able to sell him for £0, yes. Wedgie in the post.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on April 28, 2022, 03:11:10 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?


Cost of living inflation
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2022, 04:22:07 PM
the sanson deal has been really frustrating, watch him rock up in the champions league somewhere
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2022, 04:49:44 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2022, 05:00:22 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.

I reckon they did a Mike Ashley special, and marked the RRP miles higher to make the discount look more appealing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 28, 2022, 06:05:44 PM
You've got to sell at the right time. Get £20-25m for Doug, £19m for Sanson, balances out as minor profit at least, clears probably £100k in wages and gives space for a really dynamic ball playing 8 to share the load of Ramsey and push McGinn and hopefully the elusive dominating defensive midfielder.

What's Sanson done to put £5m on the fee we paid for him?

If you recall we bought him in a fire sale. The previous summer the asking price was £25m.

I reckon they did a Mike Ashley special, and marked the RRP miles higher to make the discount look more appealing

There were a few clubs after him that summer. I think Leeds had a £17m bid turned down. Whatever, I'd rather keep him until we have better players in the team (not squad).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 06:43:58 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 28, 2022, 08:38:43 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Us: "take him if you want, but we want a £6m profit on what we paid last year."
Them: "but you think he's shit. You never play him."
Us: "his last club wanted £25m for him."
Them: "and you paid £14m. We'll give you £5m."
Us: "thank you thank you thank you thank you."

Edit: I don't think he's shit, btw. I have no idea because he hasn't played.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 28, 2022, 08:44:03 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Inflation, I guess.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 28, 2022, 08:53:39 PM
He's another Veretout for me. Plenty of opportunities unfathomably missed to give him a run, then he'll start playing regular CL after we give him away.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 09:26:26 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Us: "take him if you want, but we want a £6m profit on what we paid last year."
Them: "but you think he's shit. You never play him."
Us: "his last club wanted £25m for him."
Them: "and you paid £14m. We'll give you £5m."
Us: "thank you thank you thank you thank you."

Edit: I don't think he's shit, btw. I have no idea because he hasn't played.
Yeah, but at £14m he was a steal. That’s about what we paid for Targett, who was also a squad player at a mid table side. I was meaning more that I wouldn’t sell on the cheap because it’s going to cost us more then £14m to replace him with someone better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 28, 2022, 09:27:04 PM
For whatever reason, there's now been 2 managers who've not really fancied Sanson. I'd be alright with letting him go for the right price, but I think that's about £20m. You're not going to get an upgrade on him for less than that.

Again, why on Earth would anyone give us more than we paid?

Inflation, I guess.
Villa tax.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 28, 2022, 09:29:57 PM
If I was looking at offloading midfielders then Sanson would be behind Luiz and McGinn in the queue. Both of whom would go for significantly more than the value on the books and help with FFP. Selling Sanson who is more than good enough to command at least a squad place would raise nothing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on April 28, 2022, 09:48:22 PM
If I was looking at offloading midfielders then Sanson would be behind Luiz and McGinn in the queue. Both of whom would go for significantly more than the value on the books and help with FFP. Selling Sanson who is more than good enough to command at least a squad place would raise nothing.
Luiz will go which makes sense

McGinns going nowhere unless he wants to I would guess

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on April 29, 2022, 06:42:21 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.

If Digne is going to be like a tampon (one week in, three weeks out), then we could do with a left back and Hickey would be a good signing.

I saw him play for Bolgnia at Lazio on a trip to Rome a few months ago and he played the first half at right back and looked just as assured. Very much a modern full back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2022, 08:36:47 AM
There's some more talk about us being interested in Benni McCar Aaron Hickey.

If Digne is going to be like a tampon (one week in, three weeks out), then we could do with a left back and Hickey would be a good signing.

I saw him play for Bolgnia at Lazio on a trip to Rome a few months ago and he played the first half at right back and looked just as assured. Very much a modern full back.

I've not seen him play but you can't go wrong with a full back who can play both flanks. He's not going to want and come and sit on our bench though
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TaxDodger on April 29, 2022, 09:01:53 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 29, 2022, 09:40:08 AM
Sanson and Luiz out - two new top DM/CM in imo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on April 29, 2022, 09:41:47 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 09:47:13 AM
I can't see why Hickey would come.  Coming to compete with Targett is one thing, coming to compete with a £25m French international who we have just signed is another.  The press are reporting Bologna want to keep him and AC Milan, Newcastle United, Brentford are all interested.

I think we've missed the boat with this lad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:26:16 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility

I'd cash in on Matty to athletico say £40m we have to take that and have Kessler-Hayden and Youngy as back up
Maybe go for Tavernier of Rangers as he fits the system well Gerrard knows him
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 10:29:06 AM
Hasn't Cash just signed a new 5 year contract.  He's going nowhere.  And rightly so, possibly our most consistent player this season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:31:16 AM
I have been out of football touch for a while missed this news. Oh I wonder if Purslows put a release clause we don't think a club would ever possibly meet...
Just that there were many strong rumours before about Athletico signing him so some sort of champions League team release clause is only fair if not specified amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2022, 10:46:04 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 10:53:16 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 29, 2022, 11:03:53 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.

A solid theory, if you ignore all the losses.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2022, 11:19:41 AM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Cash, Hayden, Digne, Hickey would be class options for next year
Young can be a utility
You mean a Janitor position at BMH?

Ashley Young was the ‘best player on the pitch’ during Aston Villa’s goalless draw against Leicester City, according to Emiliano Martinez.

Gerrard said on Young new contract  “I’ve made it clear to Ash that I want him to stay around. The key to this will always be the player."

 To me I think having his experience in and around the squad and team helps develop the winning attitude.

A solid theory, if you ignore all the losses.
Yeh, if thats us with a winning attitude I would hate to see what defeatist would look like.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2022, 11:24:04 AM
Gerrard wants 2 genuine options for every position and competition for places so it wouldn't surprise me if we did want Hickey. Even better if he can play right back with Hayden training with the first team and starting to push Cash for a place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 29, 2022, 11:59:55 AM
I can't see why Hickey would come.  Coming to compete with Targett is one thing, coming to compete with a £25m French international who we have just signed is another.  The press are reporting Bologna want to keep him and AC Milan, Newcastle United, Brentford are all interested.

I think we've missed the boat with this lad.
I'd be less concerned if he can play on both flanks, you'd expect him to get a decent number of games through injuries, suspensions, and squad rotation. Think he could easy rack up 30-odd appearances (10 starts at either position + 10 subs appearances).

Personally I'd see if KKH could get a loan in the Championship for a season. Hopefully we'd be in Europe the season after and so the 4 fullbacks would get plenty of games.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 29, 2022, 12:07:05 PM
West Ham and Aston Villa are among the teams in contention to sign Colombia midfielder James Rodriguez, 30, from Qatari side Al Rayyan. (Fichajes - in Spanish)

Galatasaray and Denmark centre-back Victor Nelsson, 23, has been linked with a move to Aston Villa. (Tum Spor - in Turkish)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on April 29, 2022, 12:08:46 PM
Can’t see this happening

Norwich boss Dean Smith wants to sign Aston Villa's 20-year-old English striker Cameron Archer, who is on loan at Preston. (TeamTalk)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2022, 12:30:40 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2022, 12:31:36 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

But his performances on the pitch are...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 29, 2022, 12:52:09 PM
I'd keep Young if we were buying Hickey & he was happy as 4th choice fullback / emergency midfield cover. Otherwise, it's a "no" from me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on April 29, 2022, 01:00:02 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

I dont think they are at all, he's too easy to wind up. His petulance in injury time at Molineux when we should have been busting a gut to get the ball was pathetic and played right into Wolves game plan of winding the game down to a slow halt.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Chris Smith on April 29, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

But his performances on the pitch are...

Played well last week.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on April 29, 2022, 01:21:59 PM
West Ham and Aston Villa are among the teams in contention to sign Colombia midfielder James Rodriguez, 30, from Qatari side Al Rayyan. (Fichajes - in Spanish)
Galatasaray and Denmark centre-back Victor Nelsson, 23, has been linked with a move to Aston Villa. (Tum Spor - in Turkish)
James Rodriguez? - fuck, no!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2022, 01:54:20 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

I dont think they are at all, he's too easy to wind up. His petulance in injury time at Molineux when we should have been busting a gut to get the ball was pathetic and played right into Wolves game plan of winding the game down to a slow halt.

He's a fighter with a strong will to win. We've lacked that for a long time, someone who is straight to the ref and arguing our case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2022, 02:23:12 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

And he actually was the best player on the pitch last week too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on April 29, 2022, 02:47:10 PM
Three quality full backs for two spots would do nicely.

Give Young another year as cover and loan out the young full backs again.

Young is done and I don't see any reason why the club should be considering another year.

His leadership, attitude and mentality are absolutely spot on for starters.

And he actually was the best player on the pitch last week too.

He was but I wouldn't want him possibly slowing the progress of the talent coming through.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 29, 2022, 03:50:55 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 29, 2022, 05:25:18 PM
why does he need to be out the door? Why can't he become a squad player who is effective for his energy late in games and can contribute as a starter periodically.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 29, 2022, 06:01:34 PM
I can think a few out the door before Mcginn.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on April 29, 2022, 06:03:36 PM
First out of the door seems like bit of an overstatement but if United, or someone, came offering £50m+ I would't exactly be telling them to get lost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: steamer on April 29, 2022, 06:50:31 PM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on April 29, 2022, 06:54:49 PM
Think it would have to be something ridiculous like 50 million, if Luiz, Carney and Sanson are going in the summer,
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on April 29, 2022, 07:30:26 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else


What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2022, 08:03:20 PM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.

That's my take on it too. Yes, McGinn has been disappointing this season, but he's still shown flashes of what he's capable of and I do not want us writing off players until we've seen them playing with eleven square pegs in eleven square holes. I'm also accutely aware that form is temporary, and he is in bad form. He's not a bad player. 

I'm not certain he will be able to step up a significant level with a proper DM behind him, but you know damn well that if he moves somewhere that plays a bit more to his strengths he'll make our decision to let him go look foolish. 

I suspect Gerrard knows full well what McGinn would be capable of in a team of his choosing, so if he stays this summer I'd expect him to play a big part next season.  He's British, reasonably successful at International level, and now well established in the premier league - if we're looking to move people on to create space and generate funds for a rebuild, he'll be one of the first to go if Gerrard doesn't 100% fancy him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 09:16:14 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante. One year left on his deal this summer. He's apparently not Champion's League quality anymore (this comes from listening to podcasts, rather than seeing him myself. My eyes are too beautiful to watch Chelsea), but he'd be a good option for us for a couple of years, perhaps.

Lovely lad too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 29, 2022, 09:31:34 PM
Kante is comfortably still Champions League quality in my view.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on April 29, 2022, 09:59:31 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante. One year left on his deal this summer. He's apparently not Champion's League quality anymore (this comes from listening to podcasts, rather than seeing him myself. My eyes are too beautiful to watch Chelsea), but he'd be a good option for us for a couple of years, perhaps.

Lovely lad too.

Yes yes and yes again.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:02:24 PM
Kante is comfortably still Champions League quality in my view.

Even more reason to get him. If Chelsea wanted to keep him long-term they'd have signed him up by now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:13:48 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2022, 10:14:47 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante.

Too short plus he's a Chelsea 'legend'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:18:17 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.

They're not allowed to sign anyone *right now*, but they've known how long his contract runs for since he signed it. Clubs that want to keep a player don't let it get to the last year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:20:35 PM
In our search for a Kante, why not try to get the Kante.

plus he's a Chelsea 'legend'.

So was that twat we got from them when we were in the second division.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:21:36 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on April 29, 2022, 10:23:34 PM
Is it not more that they're not allowed to sign anyone? Or is that all sorted now? This isn't rhetorical, I haven't been paying much attention to football lately as the baddies keep winning.

They're not allowed to sign anyone *right now*, but they've known how long his contract runs for since he signed it. Clubs that want to keep a player don't let it get to the last year.

It’s weird what’s happened at Chelsea.  Rudiger, Christiansen and Azpilagueta (sp?) can all leave on a free this summer, possibly Silva too.  That’s 3/4 of their defence.

Kante would be amazing.  Definitely worth asking agents etc to see if there’s the remotest possibility.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 29, 2022, 10:26:29 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.

Salah is looking for budget-breakingly astronomical wages. I doubt Kante is (by Chelsea standards).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:29:34 PM
Maybe. You've won me over. He will do as backup to Kalvin Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2022, 10:30:04 PM
He has the same amount of contract left as Salah, I reckon Liverpool want to keep him.

Salah is looking for budget-breakingly astronomical wages. I doubt Kante is (by Chelsea standards).

Say it's half a million a week, so two years would cost £52m.

Tell him we'll pay it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 29, 2022, 10:31:42 PM
Give him ten grand a week and make the rest up in vouchers for local attractions like Warwick Castle and the back to backs. Then keep calling him in for extra training so he never gets the time to use the vouchers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on April 29, 2022, 10:45:27 PM
That's the kind of hard nosed nous this club has been missing for too long.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2022, 11:19:02 PM
That's the kind of hard nosed nous this club has been missing for too long.

Indeed, CDBF certainly knows the art of the deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 29, 2022, 11:34:52 PM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on April 30, 2022, 07:57:41 AM
Give him ten grand a week and make the rest up in vouchers for local attractions like Warwick Castle and the back to backs. Then keep calling him in for extra training so he never gets the time to use the vouchers.
This is an excellent idea. We could get the vouchers so they were for him and a friend. Then get either Elmo or Trez to befriend him & show an interest in going to Dudley Zoo or Cadbury World with him. Then, boom, we get them to phone us whenever he has a plan to go & we can arrange the extra training sessions to clash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on April 30, 2022, 08:24:16 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on April 30, 2022, 08:42:35 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.

A walk round Dudley outdoor market would definatley swing it I reckon.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on April 30, 2022, 08:45:34 AM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
For much of this season he has had problems retaining the football or managing to pass to a Villa shirt.

Not a problem with Scotland. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on April 30, 2022, 08:49:58 AM
First out the door for me would be McGinn as for the last 3-4 seasons he has defined our midfield and every configuration has had him in it somewhere - to varying effect and in latter seasons that effect has been quite negatively.

It is time we looked at something else

What has defined our midfield is a lack of a DM and our repeated failure to address it.  Lets see what this team is capable of once we plug that huge hole.

That's my take on it too. Yes, McGinn has been disappointing this season, but he's still shown flashes of what he's capable of and I do not want us writing off players until we've seen them playing with eleven square pegs in eleven square holes. I'm also accutely aware that form is temporary, and he is in bad form. He's not a bad player. 

I'm not certain he will be able to step up a significant level with a proper DM behind him, but you know damn well that if he moves somewhere that plays a bit more to his strengths he'll make our decision to let him go look foolish. 

I suspect Gerrard knows full well what McGinn would be capable of in a team of his choosing, so if he stays this summer I'd expect him to play a big part next season.  He's British, reasonably successful at International level, and now well established in the premier league - if we're looking to move people on to create space and generate funds for a rebuild, he'll be one of the first to go if Gerrard doesn't 100% fancy him.
McGinn has not looked anywhere near his best since his big buddy, Jack (Splinters) Grealish, departed the scene.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on April 30, 2022, 08:51:16 AM
Maybe a swift pint in the Saracens head too. Not been in for years but I definitely remember it being a classy establishment and not somewhere where it’s recommended to mostly stare down at your shoes whilst you’re in there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on April 30, 2022, 09:25:49 AM
If someone offered 50 million, I assume they would see him as better than someone they already had
How many teams have that money to spend on a player that a few on here want to ditch ?
Certainly not the cause or root of all of our problems
For much of this season he has had problems retaining the football or managing to pass to a Villa shirt.

Not a problem with Scotland. I don't know why.

Because most of Scotland's games have been against absolute dross.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on April 30, 2022, 09:36:56 AM
If he wants to go to the Black Country Living Museum it’s just over the road from me and as a member I have vouchers for mates’ rates for him.

It's where people from Wolverhampton go to see what life will be like in the future.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on April 30, 2022, 01:15:57 PM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”

Henderson? Behave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on April 30, 2022, 01:27:32 PM
More like Milner!

Wijnaldum?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scott Nielsen on May 01, 2022, 05:41:29 AM
Gerrard looking for leaders and possibly a new captain
Henderson perhaps? James Tavernier of Rangers ?
On captaincy SG said
"We are still working that out. I still won’t rule out the option of someone coming in, who I know, who is also capable of being in the running. It is something I am analysing really closely now and I will make a decision some time during pre-season.”

Henderson? Behave.

Because he wouldn't come or due to not rating the captain of possibly the best (spit!) team in the world?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 01, 2022, 08:10:50 AM
Because he wouldn't come to us. He's only 31 and still a key part of a team competing for every trophy in the game, every year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 02, 2022, 10:44:26 AM
I guess, by the Law of Averages, we're eventually going to make a success of one these Transfer Window thingy's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 02, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
Because he wouldn't come to us. He's only 31 and still a key part of a team competing for every trophy in the game, every year.

Too old at that age... 😉

When there was talk of a contractual impasse I wondered of it might be a goer but nah, it's not happening.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 02, 2022, 11:43:15 AM
Our deficiencies are being a bit too open defensively in midfield after our first press has been beaten. We let sides carry it far too deep before we recover, which places extra pressure on the centre of defence. It also exposes gaps that full backs have vacated.

Generally when we're set, we have a nice defensive shape, but the turnover is where we're weakest.

For me it's not just somebody who can add physical presence and put their foot in, but somebody with recovery pace too.

The other issue is how cheaply we treat the ball at times. We can mask some of the problems above by keeping it better. This will.benefit the likes of Coutinho etc, as we'll spend more of the game feeding possession through him than not.

I want us to press like the Scousers do. Two athletic midfielders who can screen and use the ball efficiently are absolutely critical.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 02, 2022, 05:44:35 PM
Our deficiencies are being a bit too open defensively in midfield after our first press has been beaten. We let sides carry it far too deep before we recover, which places extra pressure on the centre of defence. It also exposes gaps that full backs have vacated.

Generally when we're set, we have a nice defensive shape, but the turnover is where we're weakest.

For me it's not just somebody who can add physical presence and put their foot in, but somebody with recovery pace too.

The other issue is how cheaply we treat the ball at times. We can mask some of the problems above by keeping it better. This will.benefit the likes of Coutinho etc, as we'll spend more of the game feeding possession through him than not.

I want us to press like the Scousers do. Two athletic midfielders who can screen and use the ball efficiently are absolutely critical.

This is pretty much my thoughts. I think with 2 such sitters we could look at playing 4-2-3-1 which then also allows us to get Coutinho and Bunedia into the same side. I’ve said it previously that I think Renato Sanches (whilst requiring some work) could be a very useful one of those 2 sitters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on May 05, 2022, 01:15:31 PM
Ndidi as a target - quoted for 50m in some news today. Surprisingly only 24, I thought he was older
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 05, 2022, 01:39:16 PM
I guess we'll be linked with pretty much every decent DM accross Europe outside of the elite players.

FWIW I'd take Ndidi, he's a decent player but he'd come with a big price tag.  I'll let others argue about that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2022, 02:35:30 PM
If I was being greedy I'd like 2 DMs and another box-to-box or more attacking option.

I'm basing this on expecting Sanson and Luiz to go which leaves us with just McGinn and Ramsey as the 8s and Nakamba as a 6. 2 more players happy to play 6 and another option at 8 gives us loads of flexibility in how we setup in midfield. If one of those DMs can also cover as the 4th CB then great and if the attacking player could also play at 10/wide again I'd be very happy with the flexibility that would give us.

After that I'd want a replacement for Targett (assuming he leaves) and someone who can play as a target man. I guess we need a backup keeper as well, assuming Steer wants to go (hopefully we keep Olsen for another year and give him and Sinisalo a chance to fight it out for the bench spot).

I haven't watched enough football in the last year or so to have any idea who though but I really like the look of Boubacar Kamara on a free and Jonathan David and Nonu Madueke look exceptional young players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 05, 2022, 02:38:39 PM
Christopher Nkunku playing for RB Leipzig vs Rangers tonight someone to keep eyes on. Very decent player. Wants to leave this summer. Attacking flair player. 24 would be wonderful
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 05, 2022, 02:56:50 PM
Matthias Ginter has gone back to Freiburg
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 05, 2022, 04:56:12 PM
Well that's a shame. Hopefully we have a few more irons in the freir.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 05, 2022, 08:56:24 PM
Jonathan David is being linked with clubs higher up the food chain than us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 05, 2022, 09:04:39 PM
I look forward to getting excited about a load of players I've never heard of before, only to be disappointed when we don't sign them, or to be more disappointed later on when we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on May 05, 2022, 09:18:24 PM
If we signed two DM and two CB (and I mean straight into the first team as upgrades type signings), I would be happy - it's the spine of the team that's our handicap. Wrap around them the 5/6 quality players we already have on the books (Emi x2, Matty, Lucas, Jacob, Watkins, SJM) and then have the likes of Tim, Carney, Archer, Ezri, Ings, Marvelous etc fighting it out to get into the squad) would have us comfortably top half.   

Has to be the minimum target next year. A European place would be a bonus- just don't think the squad or coaching set up is strong enough and one transfer window wont get us there. 

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 05, 2022, 10:01:54 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 05, 2022, 10:09:18 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
we’ve got the wrong manager

Agreed!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 05, 2022, 10:11:54 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
we’ve got the wrong manager

Agreed!

ha ha see what you did there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 05, 2022, 10:16:12 PM
IF Press reports are true (big IF) we seem to be getting the bums rush from just about all our transfer targets so far.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Deano's Mullet on May 05, 2022, 10:21:21 PM
Garry Thompsons book is good if you want a Villa bio. Also BFR's first book A Different Ball Game. Much better than his second one The Manager.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 05, 2022, 11:12:32 PM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch

I don't think you've been paying attention to how deep McGinn and Ramsey have played. At times we've had all 3 of them deeper than the fullbacks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 06, 2022, 07:34:22 AM
if we sign 2 x defensive midfielders (top class ones at that) we’d have 3 including Nakamba
Gerrard is never going to be playing all that defensive nonsense that Southgate tripe’s out, we’ve got the wrong manager if that’s the sort of bollocks you want to watch

I don't think you've been paying attention to how deep McGinn and Ramsey have played. At times we've had all 3 of them deeper than the fullbacks.

I think if we’re going to go down the route of two DM’s we’ll buy one and use Nakamba/Iroegbunam as the second.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 06, 2022, 07:36:09 AM
The players that Gerrard wants out of the club, if they don't leave in the summer - will they be part of a new bomb squad?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 06, 2022, 08:02:45 AM
Whilst Konsa has been poor recently, and Mings has the odd error, I think well do well to get better defenders.  We might get ones who are better on the ball - but not as good defensively.

I think they would look a look better with a DM in front of them to help with build up from the back

Maybe get in one full back to help.

I think the midfield is the key area
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 06, 2022, 08:05:54 AM
IF Press reports are true (big IF) we seem to be getting the bums rush from just about all our transfer targets so far.
Yeah - I have noticed that - but like you say a big if. 

I think some of the big name targets are leaked to make us look ambitious even if we know were not going to get them.

What worries me more is where there seems to be an interest, like JWP, and Bissoma, we just offer shit money that will never get a club to release a prize assest
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:02:42 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2022, 10:46:42 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 10:56:12 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:57:11 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 10:58:09 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 11:02:41 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
No, I think he'll go abroad but if not to Chelsea or Arsenal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2022, 11:04:04 AM
Ndidi as a target - quoted for 50m in some news today. Surprisingly only 24, I thought he was older

Must be a piece of piss being a Villa scout: just watch Match of the Day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2022, 11:04:18 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on May 06, 2022, 11:04:41 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.

I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.

And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
No, I think he'll go abroad but if not to Chelsea or Arsenal.

I don't want him back. He walked out and shat on us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 06, 2022, 11:04:55 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 06, 2022, 11:06:17 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.
I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Citeh won't sell Grealish back to us; it'd be too embarrassing for them - a big loss of face.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 06, 2022, 11:08:15 AM
Grealish will be at City next season - 100%.  There's no way Pep is admitting defeat that quickly and no way Jack is leaving without at least a few medals in his back pocket to justify his move.
I think he'll be good for them next season, but if not then summer 23 is when there could be a move.
And he'd only come here. So we'll have the conversation again in next summer's window
Citeh won't sell Grealish back to us; it'd be too embarrassing for them - a big loss of face.

Nah, they'd be fine with it. Zaha went back to Palace from United. In fact, people talk about him as if he never left.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 06, 2022, 11:14:14 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.

God I hope not
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 06, 2022, 11:23:17 AM
Merson says Man City doesn't fit Grealish and I totally agree that Grealish won't be able to adapt to the style of play and thought like Merson
I can see JG back here on loan in another season or signed back in 3

Alvarez is coming in and he far more suits Man City style but if they sign a striker or Alvarez plays up front this would benefit Jack possibly , well for assists but just don't think he should waste more than another season of his career there.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/12605276/jack-grealish-doesnt-fit-in-at-manchester-city-and-they-might-sell-their-100m-man

What does that have to do with our summer transfer dealings? Your Grealish obsession is a bit odd.

Because one day he'll be back. He said it himself.
Maybe there's a clause? wouldn't surprise me maybe merson is hinting something. I mean Zaha went back to Palace . He'll be back playing one day for us

"It’s a club that is so close to my heart and I definitely hope to go back there.That’s always been in my mind. Ashley Young has done it and I want to do the same, 100 per cent.”

So not so odd when you think about it.

But I don't get it, well I do. You didn't have a good word to say about him whilst he as here and you still don't. Its all just weird.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 06, 2022, 11:24:22 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.


He needs to come 🏠
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2022, 11:32:00 AM
Even if we do sign Quisling, it won't be this summer so he doesn't need to dominate the "Summer 2022 Transfer Thread" when he already has a thread in "Other Football". It's getting nearly as sad as the Heathens' Bellingham obsession.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 06, 2022, 11:34:34 AM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 06, 2022, 11:49:10 AM
Newcastle, surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 06, 2022, 11:52:59 AM
Coming back this summer (or even next) would be a mistake. Maybe after that though there'd be long enough for it not to be him looking like hed failed and given up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 06, 2022, 11:53:23 AM
Newcastle, surely.

I would bet on Redfuckingfilthunited - then i could possibly detest him a little more
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Martin Carruthers on May 06, 2022, 11:55:09 AM
Newcastle, surely.

I would bet on Redfuckingfilthunited - then i could possibly detest him a little more

Would Citeh sell him to them? Maybe...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 06, 2022, 12:04:47 PM
£367 grand a week and on a six year deal. He's not going anywhere for many years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 06, 2022, 12:22:49 PM
They'll sign Haaland, which will mean they play slightly differently and with a real focal point to their attack. That will bring out the best in Grealish, he will have someone to look for whenever he gets the ball, and someone in the penalty area to aim at when he's cutting inside

And unlike Sterling he will actually pass to Haaland.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 06, 2022, 12:48:55 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.

Kindly don't assume what I would or wouldn't want. And if you think that him coming back any time soon is even a remote possibility, then you'd have to be a bit dim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 06, 2022, 12:50:14 PM
Meanwhile in Villa related news, erm, Axel Witsel. Fuck it, back to Junk Greadish and no, it isn’t predictive text.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2022, 12:55:11 PM
Meanwhile in Villa related news, erm, Axel Witsel. Fuck it, back to Junk Greadish and no, it isn’t predictive text.

Benni McCarthy for the can't-afford-a-mortgage generation
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2022, 02:00:13 PM
Yeah no more mention of Grealish till next summer window I'd deemed necessary unless some particular strong itk comes with details before then

So for this summer clearly one position we are pinpointing a DM based on Gerrard view of football I would think some one of Javier Mascherano comepting energy , agrressiveness and rigour
That player would service a purpose be no surprise to see one signed  and several have been scouted but think this guy was pretty good for what Gerrard sees as a DM so a player of that oven ready calibre with his attributes would satisfy most of us.
Now is there some one of that ilk we can ensnare?
That is what should be debated

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 06, 2022, 02:09:40 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.
I'd have him back in a heatbeat.

As would Risso and every one else.

It's a move that wouldn't surprise me to be honest. Grealish is head strong enough to force moves as we saw before for club and country. It seems clear Man City bought him without a clue on how to use him effectively.

There's pro's and cons for having him back that i can't be arsed to list but ultimately the only way i'd want him back is if he don't get Coutinho and we could have Grealish back on loan for a year with view to a permanent transfer where the ball is fully in our court and the price wouldn't be a penny more than half that we sold him for. Otherwise, he can indeed fuck off.

I also think that it shouldn't be taken as a given that he'd only come back here if he left Man City, i think he'd be looking for CL and the highest bidder to be honest. I do agree with the comments regarding why it's not really worked out too great at Man City for him though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 06, 2022, 04:27:58 PM
the reported 350k approx a week and a Contract as long as your arm could be sticking points in all fairness
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 06, 2022, 05:01:15 PM
Grealish can fuck off, and when he's fucked off, he can fuck off some more.

#Amen.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2022, 05:56:10 PM
Junk Greedish! Best one yet! Girlish/Greasy/Joe/Jimmy/Paddy/Rat do lack something.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 06, 2022, 07:57:03 PM
I don't care if its more money, win things or any other rubbish, he showed his alliance in the summer when we were building. He of all people have set us back years by walking out. He's gone, he won't becoming back for years and hopefully not at all. He will do of course, the club will make money from spinning it, he'll have one last pay day and see it as a chance to win over a few who turned meaning the majority love him. I say good riddance, especially when he continues to be on the front papers like today. Clubs like us never need that sort of character around
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 06, 2022, 11:59:42 PM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: adrenachrome on May 07, 2022, 01:22:44 AM
£367 grand a week and on a six year deal. He's not going anywhere for many years.

Yep.

Unless he joins Bezos or Musk on Titan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2022, 07:45:55 AM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?

‘Liked’ a picture of an ‘influencer’.

We get the press we deserve.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 07, 2022, 09:09:46 AM
Hmm - he’ll be back some day.

But I would rather forget about him for a bit - I’d like us to sign a proper world class midfielder.

And a few that give competition for places - can’t see us getting more than 2 or 3 otherwise it will be quantity over quality

Then I would like to see SG transform us into a proper good team
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 07, 2022, 09:43:11 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rigadon on May 07, 2022, 09:45:10 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.

It's a weird one, but I trust that my non-expert eyes aren't seeing stuff that our coaches can (other than the obvious cock ups of late)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 07, 2022, 10:32:42 AM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Why would he be with for the pre-season bit if he's not going to stay? - surely he'll be sold early on after this season-end?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 07, 2022, 10:40:40 AM
I do wonder how well get defenders better than mings or Konsa

Both have there moments but who realistically is going to come in that’s better

I guess you might get a better ball playing defender but will be defensively

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2022, 10:45:10 AM
I do wonder how well get defenders better than mings or Konsa

Both have there moments but who realistically is going to come in that’s better

I guess you might get a better ball playing defender but will be defensively

I tend to agree.  You might get better from abroad but there’s no guarantee they’ll settle.  Tomori at Milan may be an option.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 07, 2022, 11:40:09 AM
I think Phil is ace (despite the lack of form in the last couple of games), but if I could get past my bitterness, I’d still rather have Joe in the side.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 07, 2022, 01:05:08 PM
What's he done to be on the front page of the papers (red tops presumably)?
It might not be Grealish...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2022, 01:35:45 PM
Looks like Konsa is going. Gerrard said he'll be with us for pre-season but nothing about next... Whereas he's been committed about others.
Why would he be with for the pre-season bit if he's not going to stay? - surely he'll be sold early on after this season-end?

Konsa such a Smith man as well.
If that's the case then obviously don't get on and Gerrard must be sighting him as one of the players who don't implement what he tells them
Konsa be far too laid back for old SG aggressive approach and we've seen several times he hasn't been physical and assertive enough so imagined he got called out . It's a shame but Chambers is more the type Gerrard seems to go for.
That's how I see it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 07, 2022, 01:44:11 PM
Konsa has defending ability but not much football ability that’s his downfall I’m afraid
Possession based football he’s nowhere near the level required Unless passing back to the goalkeeper is a key tactic then he’s the best in the business
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 07, 2022, 01:52:07 PM
SG seems to be looking to next season now with his whole "the team has underachieved" statement . Needs to include himself in that.
This whole "we analyse every department and every individual at the club and it's a big summer" seemingly indicating that sweeping changes are coming. Can see coaches like Mcphee going as well as players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 07, 2022, 01:53:57 PM
Konsa’s reluctance to pass between players into the midfield could cost him.  It’s either long or sideways to Mings which puts the team under pressure.

Shame as he is a classy defender.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2022, 02:35:00 PM
If Konsa is going, which would be a shame, as I rate him, it puts legs on the Gomez links
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 07, 2022, 02:37:49 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 07, 2022, 02:44:03 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.

I hope so
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2022, 02:53:29 PM
Yes, blame Drummond.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 07, 2022, 07:49:10 PM
The quotes about Konsa doesn't sound to me like he will be leaving at all. I think they have been taken out of context on here.

Where was it discussed?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2022, 08:48:48 PM
Drummond on Page 42.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 07, 2022, 08:58:38 PM
29 pages in the future? I'll set my alarm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 07, 2022, 10:13:53 PM
I agree with Luke that the comments don't suggest what some people seem to think. For me I think it's more Gerrard acknowledging that Konsa has been out of form and saying he needs pre-season to get himself back on track.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 09, 2022, 05:24:16 PM
Aston Villa have held fresh talks over signing Marseille's 22-year-old French midfielder Boubacar Kamara. (Mail)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 09, 2022, 11:25:52 PM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 09, 2022, 11:52:49 PM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.

Alvarez will probably be required to spend a year learning 'Guardiola-ball' first as seemingly all players must due to its' unique complexity.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dcdavecollett on May 10, 2022, 01:56:34 AM
What, like with Grealish? i.e. generational talent becomes 5/10 yard passing drone!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 10, 2022, 02:16:26 AM
What, like with Grealish? i.e. generational talent becomes 5/10 yard passing drone!

Precisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2022, 09:17:41 AM
With Haaland probably guaranteeing another league title for the Abu Dhabi enterprise, will they be letting Alvarez go on loan I wonder? No idea if he is any good or not, mind. But we were linked with him before.
More likely Sterling will get sold to allow Alvarez a slot in every 3rd game.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 10, 2022, 10:08:33 AM
https://twitter.com/Other14The/status/1523950698240438272?t=C8qrrXijxfJvyvqg6xHHqA&s=19

That's an interesting account to follow for anyone who doesn't already. Highlights our need for a proper DM, but not like we haven't known that for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villafirst on May 10, 2022, 10:25:25 AM
Strong rumours that a deal for Philippe Coutinho is close with Barcelona. Fabrizio Romano has tweeted on this. Deal thought to be €20m which is about £17.1m. Obviously wages will be north of £100k per week, but worth it I feel.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2022, 11:54:14 AM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 10, 2022, 11:56:27 AM
Hmm - PC is looking really likely - for less than wesley. 

Unreal bit of business that
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 11:59:31 AM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 10, 2022, 12:01:21 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.

I think it'd be a good deal for all parties.

Also, Jacob Steinberg doesn't tend to report on clickbait-style 'rumours'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 10, 2022, 12:07:46 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.

I think it'd be a good deal for all parties.

Also, Jacob Steinberg doesn't tend to report on clickbait-style 'rumours'.

I was thinking about this even during the game on Saturday.  Watkins was much improved on recent showings but even so his general speed of thought with the ball isn't that good and neither is his first touch. I still like him but if we can improve in that area, and we really do need to then we should go for it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 12:10:45 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
I was told about them making an offer for him in Jan.  Hang on, I'll try to find my post.  (Christ, hope I didn't start this rumour!)

edit - ok, found it - it was elsewhere.  I don't want to say too much but someone with a link to Watkins agent told me West Ham bid £60m for him in Jan, which sounded pretty far fetched to me.  The general feeling is Watkins' head has been turned and he wants to be in London, so a move to Arsenal or West Ham could be possible this summer.

Whilst I've been critical of him this season I'd be dissapointed if he moved on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 10, 2022, 12:12:47 PM
Watkins is a good fit for WestHam as he is similar forward to Antonio which means they do not have to change tactics to accommodate him.
He is better suited to them than the way I think Gerrard wants to set up our attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 10, 2022, 12:44:18 PM
Watkins to Wham for £50m?
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2022/may/10/west-ham-target-summer-move-for-aston-villa-striker-ollie-watkins?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1652179190

I can see this being the surprise 'cash in' deal we do this summer. I suspect there may be a move for another striker this summer afoot, though fuck knows who.
I was told about them making an offer for him in Jan.  Hang on, I'll try to find my post.  (Christ, hope I didn't start this rumour!)

edit - ok, found it - it was elsewhere.  I don't want to say too much but someone with a link to Watkins agent told me West Ham bid £60m for him in Jan, which sounded pretty far fetched to me.  The general feeling is Watkins' head has been turned and he wants to be in London, so a move to Arsenal or West Ham could be possible this summer.

Whilst I've been critical of him this season I'd be dissapointed if he moved on.
£60m in the summer would be fine with me as long as we've got someone else lined up. I like how we seen to be getting better at buying players like Chambers, Coutinho, or Digne for relative peanuts, and flogging on players like Watkins and Grealish for probably more than they're actually worth*.


* Grealish was worth more than £100m to us, but I think it's reasonable to ask whether you'd pay that sort of money for a player with his injury record & nocturnal activities if he wasn't (at the time) so tied in to the identity of the club
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: aldridgeboy on May 10, 2022, 12:46:11 PM
If we can get anywhere near 50m, I’d take it in a heartbeat. He’s not going to take us to where we want to to go. And has possibly the worst  first touch I’ve seen , after mine.


Whist I wasn’t sold on a permanent Coutinho for what I thought would be a big fee, for £16m it’s an absolute no brainer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 12:47:12 PM
I would only take it if we are going to get someone better. Not sure who that would be.

Watkins was brilliant last season and showing signs of being back to his best in the last few weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 12:47:50 PM
When you've got a decent player like Watkins my worry is always finding players to replace them at a reasonable cost.  It would be naieve to let him go without a first class replacement lined up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 10, 2022, 12:53:17 PM
Watkins has been Great for Villa so far but he’s not next level
For me he’s the most frustrating player to watch that we have although he’s always been very likable
If someone is offering out 50 million for him I would be accepting that

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 10, 2022, 12:55:36 PM
It’s a no for me Watkins going anywhere especially to any current top 8 side.
It’s a definite no for me anybody like Suarez being lined up to replace any of our forwards.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 10, 2022, 01:07:46 PM
Been much better lately, but would definitely take £50m. Be a healthy profit on FFP and would allow us to sign other players.

I'd be happy to see us have Ings and Suarez (free transfer) with more opportunities given to Archer and Davis. Spend the cash on more combative midfielders.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 01:10:30 PM
Ings and Suarez are too similar. We already struggle when teams set up to close us down from goal kicks, we need an outlet up front so we can vary them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2022, 01:10:54 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 01:16:23 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 01:18:26 PM
We don't need to free up resources. Just keep spending.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 10, 2022, 01:19:36 PM
I wouldn't be letting Watkins go either. He's just getting to that age where he'll start to get even better and more consistent. I don't think it would happen anyway unless the offer was ridiclous. Gerrard seems to like him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 10, 2022, 01:29:27 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 10, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Tayls_7 on May 10, 2022, 02:06:13 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.

What does epiphany mean. Is it the same as aberration?  :o
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 10, 2022, 02:11:52 PM
Ings/Suarez type short term relatively cheap signing with Archer and Keinan (big if he can stay fit for any length of time) coming through. This is more than adequate if we move to 1 up front, and means the younguns have a clear pathway in when they are ready. Also means we can play both Buendia and Phil.

Make a big profit on Ollie for FFP, and use it towards the best DCM gettable.

Actually no, I've changed my mind. I really like Ollie and want him to kick on... he can lead the line for us for a number of years to come.

I don't know.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 10, 2022, 02:14:56 PM
Archer and Abraham.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 10, 2022, 02:45:33 PM
I'd absolutely love Tammy back, but we missed that boat unfortunately.  He's flying at Roma and I can't see why he'd want to leave.  If he did, I think it would be for a London club.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2022, 02:50:22 PM
Again, why is Suarez even getting a mention?

I wouldn't be against Watkins moving on for the reported fee. Get Tammy Abraham back.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 10, 2022, 03:15:06 PM
Assume Abraham would cost a shiteload more… otherwise west ham would just buy him instead of Watkins.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2022, 03:36:48 PM
Again, why is Suarez even getting a mention?

I wouldn't be against Watkins moving on for the reported fee. Get Tammy Abraham back.

Suarez gets mentioned because he's out of contract this summer, and Gerrard rated him extremely highly when they were at Livepool, and given we signed Coutinho off the back of the Gerrard relationship, people assume we will be Suarez's next destination.  I very much doubt it, personally.  He'll want to play regularly up until the world cup at least, and I don't see him getting that here, not at 35.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 10, 2022, 03:38:24 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on May 10, 2022, 04:07:21 PM
I see man sh-tty are getting their summer transfer business done early (with Haaland), just like they did last season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 10, 2022, 04:08:25 PM
I'd definately like Watkins to stay, still rate him highly. If he wants to go and we get £50m though we could get two players in with that who could have a big impact if spent wisely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 10, 2022, 04:43:23 PM
I think Watkins is perfect for West Ham’s system. Assuming the rumour is correct, do we really want to be selling a player to a potential rival, particularly if it helps them solve a major part of their system?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Villan82 on May 10, 2022, 05:14:59 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?

Sometimes we do ourselves no favours!

Watkins, in less than two full seasons, has scored more premier-league goals for us than Dalian Atkinson, Darren Bent and Paul Merson. Watkins has 24 league goals for villa; 5 behind Milosevic (over three seasons), 11 behind Vassell (over four seasons), 13 behind Carew (three and a half seasons).

If he keeps his current rate of scoring, it's likely he will overtake all of those next season getting into our top ten premier league era goalscorers.

Definite keep for me
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 10, 2022, 05:26:49 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: villadelph on May 10, 2022, 06:04:08 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

I think Haaland has to do with a release clause and Watkins is open market price, no?

Don’t want Calvert Lewin or Suarez.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 10, 2022, 06:05:25 PM
Watkins would be a fair way down the list of players I'd like to see go out. I get all the objections about him but he works his tits off and has got to double figures 2 years in a row despite having, according to many on here, a really poor second season. If he wants to go and we're getting offers of double what we paid then of course we have to listen to them but if he isn't pushing for it I'd want his repalcement in for a few months first to ensure they're up to speed.

Same for me, but it's one of those where there's good money on the table and it might free up resouces where they're needed more.

Plus, I wonder if they're thinking Buendia/Coutinho situation could be resolved by playing both with a centre forward more suited to exploit their skills and allow them to play together.

I sort of agree with that but as I said if he isn't pushing to talk to them I'm not sure letting our top scorer leave in the hope that we can replace with better is a big risk given the amount of strikers who struggle in their first season after a move.

I tend to agree.

Maybe they've had an epiphany and decided Keinan is the man.

What does epiphany mean.

I think it's the girl who sang "I Think We're Alone Now".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 10, 2022, 06:07:34 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

It was widely reported that Haarland signed for Dortmund, rather than one of the bigger suitors, in the first place was because they had agreed to the lower release clause.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 10, 2022, 06:11:18 PM
Watkins is one of only eight players in the premier league (outside of the teams vying for Champions league places) to get into double figures this season.  I'd love an upgrade on him (and pretty much everyone else), but in terms of priorities, I don't think moving him on should be that high?

Sometimes we do ourselves no favours!

Watkins, in less than two full seasons, has scored more premier-league goals for us than Dalian Atkinson, Darren Bent and Paul Merson. Watkins has 24 league goals for villa; 5 behind Milosevic (over three seasons), 11 behind Vassell (over four seasons), 13 behind Carew (three and a half seasons).

If he keeps his current rate of scoring, it's likely he will overtake all of those next season getting into our top ten premier league era goalscorers.

Definite keep for me

Watkins last season had arguably the best player in the league at the time supplying him with chances. He struggled, like most of our players, this season but is certainly finishing strong.

The problem with Watkins is that he doesn't really bring others into the play, with a very ropey first touch a huge weakness in his and our game. His assist count is very low for a reason. But in the last two games he did very well to be involved in two goals (Buendia x 2). Watkins is also a very durable sort fitness wise and no reason why he couldn't improve further in a more settled team. If he were to move on, we would have to be certain of a player of equality quality coming in but with superior back to goal play. Not sure there are many of those around.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 10, 2022, 10:02:44 PM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 10, 2022, 10:46:17 PM
We won’t take points off the big sides until we stop giving the ball away. I hope we completely rebuild the midfield for next season. The centre halves also need to be upgraded.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 11, 2022, 01:09:02 AM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.

I think that's harsh. He slipped at a crucial moment. Lots of his peers did too. I thought he played well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 07:13:42 AM
It looked like he slipped because he trod on the ball.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 08:40:18 AM
Mings and Konsa both aren't good enough, especially the former.

Tired of the inevitable clanger just waiting to happen from Mings. Talks the talk, not so much walking of the walk.

I think that's harsh. He slipped at a crucial moment. Lots of his peers did too. I thought he played well.

Me too, it's the other centre half that's worrying me.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 11, 2022, 09:55:29 AM
Konsa is worrying me more at the moment. It was like when he shoved Jota in the corner, that was just poor decision making. He lacks calmness at the moment.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 11, 2022, 10:06:07 AM
Konsa is worrying me more at the moment. It was like when he shoved Jota in the corner, that was just poor decision making. He lacks calmness at the moment.

There was one in the second half with Jota where he got the foul, luckily, because he'd got himself in the wrong position unnecessarily.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 10:18:47 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 11, 2022, 10:33:01 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.

Agreed, added to the fact that left-sided centre halves are much harder to acquire suggests Mings is the safer of the two, for now.  It's a shame, because when we first got promoted, and even more so last year, Konsa looked so calm and assured, and you always backed him in a 1-on-1 situation, but he seems to have gone backwards this season. 

I wonder if it's "feeling" a bit more exposed now, given our full-backs are so much higher up the pitch on average.  Maybe he plays better when he's part of a flatter more traditional back four? I also wonder if it's due to losing the influence of John Terry - you have to wonder how much influence he had on the development of our centre-halves specifically, given the 1-to-1 coaching they could have got from him?  Or maybe he's just hit his ceiling. 

Hopefully the coaching staff have a good idea on whether it's just temporary poor form, or if he's peaked and we need better.  He's still only 24, which in centre-half terms is still quite young.  Virgil Van Dijk was still playing for Celtic at 24.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2022, 10:41:56 AM
What happened to that calm self assured Konsa that  used to play for us?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 10:56:01 AM
The central defence needs improving. I don't think we'll replace both, so on that basis I think Konsa is the one who has most to worry about for his spot.

Agreed, added to the fact that left-sided centre halves are much harder to acquire suggests Mings is the safer of the two, for now.  It's a shame, because when we first got promoted, and even more so last year, Konsa looked so calm and assured, and you always backed him in a 1-on-1 situation, but he seems to have gone backwards this season. 

I wonder if it's "feeling" a bit more exposed now, given our full-backs are so much higher up the pitch on average.  Maybe he plays better when he's part of a flatter more traditional back four? I also wonder if it's due to losing the influence of John Terry - you have to wonder how much influence he had on the development of our centre-halves specifically, given the 1-to-1 coaching they could have got from him?  Or maybe he's just hit his ceiling. 

Hopefully the coaching staff have a good idea on whether it's just temporary poor form, or if he's peaked and we need better.  He's still only 24, which in centre-half terms is still quite young.  Virgil Van Dijk was still playing for Celtic at 24.

I don't think that's it because he was really poor at the start of the season when the fullbacks weren't pushing so high.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 11, 2022, 11:12:44 AM
I reckon he'll want this season to end and that he will be way better next. I hope it's with us because I like his attitude, however, given he's lost his place to Chambers a couple of times I suspect it won't be.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 11, 2022, 01:28:19 PM
To be fair to Gerrard, he has already said something along the lines of looking forward to getting Konsa going again in pre season. It was only a matter of months ago that the common view on here was that it was farcical that Konsa wasn't in the England squad. He seems to be struggling a bit with Cash a lot further up the pitch and lack of cover in front of him.

But if he wants to progress he needs to get comfortable in that role. Matip last night got no support from Trent who played a lot of the game in the centre of the park. Stones or Dias at Man City have to do likewise regularly whenever Cancelo goes walk about. I'd back Konsa to come good next season and regain his best form.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 11, 2022, 01:32:07 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 11, 2022, 01:33:52 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Trevor Trent Derby?
The River Trent does not even flow through Derby.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dick Edwards on May 11, 2022, 01:35:54 PM
There's a lot of chatter lately about Konsa not having the quality to bring the ball out from the back but when he first settled into the side he looked to me like a very assured player with the ball at his feet. Hopefully he's just going through a phase where he's low on confidence. As some have said, a proper defensive midfield shield in front of the centre backs could make all the difference.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 11, 2022, 01:46:19 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.

Can we add Pep to this please
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 02:27:21 PM
Can you please stop calling him "Trent". He's not one of our players who we have a fondness for, and you're not Jamie Carragher.
Trevor Trent Derby?
The River Trent does not even flow through Derby.

Even Terence Trent D'arby does not wish to be referred to by that name anymore. He is now known as Sananda Maitreya. Heard him on a podcast recently, he came across as good craic.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 02:42:16 PM
Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 05:31:43 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 05:47:19 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 11, 2022, 06:29:10 PM
Ok so by upgrading all round quality in midfield be able to press and win possession as well as hopefully better ball retention. We do need a number 6 though.
I noticed Marv's Nakamba is 28 I think he's now shown he's not able to reach technical ability despite the promise of coaching and hope he would improve I think he's shown his ceiling if he's reached those years in footballing terms and still struggles to pass ball efficiently. Won't even talk about his shooting and penalty taking. Good luck to him but Coutinho wants to be around quality and the young players coming through can make up squad as much as Marv now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 11, 2022, 06:49:20 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role

Are we resigned to/looking to offload Luiz and Sanson, Vin?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 11, 2022, 07:03:32 PM
Haaland for €60m; Watkins for £50m?? Something doesn't make logical sense in these 2 prices.
I think - unless there is some amazing new player lined up to replace Watkins- we'll struggle to find a sufficient replacement for the dosh. Perhaps Calvert-Lewin is being lined up; I doubt it though.
If Suarez comes anywhere near to being a Villa player, I'd seriously to question the capability of whoever signs that one off.

Kamara makes a hell of a lot of sense given he can play CB as well. Would be a massive coup if we get him.
Will be him, Sangare or Phillips imo
Rodrigo Bentancur would have been an interesting one as would Bissouma but missed both those it seems seems so would take any of those 3 .
Feel Phillips stock has fallen though perhaps Gerrard could boost his abilities again.

I have a feeling Suarez is going to come as I think Villa would be looking to get some established pedigree names in as much as Sangare or Kamara could prove brilliant they won't excite and feel on top of perhaps one of them signing we need more than Coutinho as an established player being signed this summer.

Talking hope for household names and excitement.


Bissouma isn’t a 6. Club still looking at him for the 8 role

Are we resigned to/looking to offload Luiz and Sanson, Vin?

Certainly not Luiz.
As with SJM when he plays a more advanced role he’s an excellent player
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2022, 07:58:14 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 11, 2022, 08:09:22 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/sports-invest-uk-ltd/beraterfirma/berater/4868
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 11, 2022, 08:16:53 PM
A bit meh then.  Douglas Luiz might be handy as an 8.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 11, 2022, 10:18:02 PM
Sanson will go for sure
Luiz don’t Know. Can see him going Roma - shame as an 8 he’s decent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 11, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
Vinnie, is the Kamara thing real and likely to happen?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 09:20:02 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 12, 2022, 09:41:43 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

It almost certainly isn't.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 09:45:44 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

Well, since he's been here we've signed a lot of improvements to our squad, brought in some great prospects, and improved.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 10:36:24 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
It almost certainly isn't.
Really? - well - stone me - that's news!

I was being sarky, both in the original comment and this response.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 12, 2022, 10:39:11 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
Well, since he's been here we've signed a lot of improvements to our squad, brought in some great prospects, and improved.
I'd reckon many of the prospects are a result of the acquisition of a new Academy management team. But - yes - there has been some recruitment during Lange's time. I hope that he can unearth some 'gems' for our DMF needs.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 12, 2022, 10:56:57 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 11:21:36 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 12, 2022, 11:29:17 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?


Wait, we can do that?!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2022, 11:43:08 AM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2022, 12:07:13 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 12:09:50 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale

Lord Frost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 12, 2022, 01:00:40 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

Peter Ridsdale

Lord Frost.

JuSt GeT iT dOnE!!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 01:10:40 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?

I think we may have done that last summer....... ;-)

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 12, 2022, 03:53:00 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I'd also like to see us move some players on for actual money, too. Remember that decade plus of never really selling players, just watching them run down their contracts and never using them?

I think we may have done that last summer....... ;-)



Ahah, but I didn't say aforementioned decade ended last year.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 12, 2022, 04:04:34 PM
You know how we're buying Coutinho for like €20m rather than the €40m we'd previously said we'd pay Barcelona for him?  And how even €40m seemed ludicrously cheap in January?  That type of thing, I imagine.

Have to say, that degree of market savvy and exploiting Barcelona's financial situation (they want to book the money in this year's accounts, apparently) is impressive.

I thought €40m was a bargain but haggling them down to €20m and querying the payment structure is just taking the p!ss. Who's negotiating the deal for Barcelona, Neville Chamberlain?

That negative view of NC is very unfair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 12, 2022, 08:12:06 PM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

“As we look to build towards next season, it is incredible to work at a club that executes its business so decisively and smoothly.”
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 12, 2022, 08:19:06 PM
If Leeds drop, I think he'll go all out for Kalvin Phillips. Can't say I've been that impressed with him this season tbh, but who knows what he could do under Gerrard's stewardship?

After literally YEARS of failing to sort it, Defensive midfielder has to be the club's #1 priority this summer. Forget everything else until that position is filled (maybe with an understudy too!).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 12, 2022, 08:40:03 PM
I saw somewhere he had a 25m release clause if Leeds go down - I’m sure we wouldn’t be his only suitors though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 12, 2022, 10:53:57 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2022, 10:57:11 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Who? 🧐
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SamTheMouse on May 12, 2022, 11:04:02 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 12, 2022, 11:06:10 PM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 12, 2022, 11:10:24 PM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: tomd2103 on May 13, 2022, 12:03:28 AM
If Leeds drop, I think he'll go all out for Kalvin Phillips. Can't say I've been that impressed with him this season tbh, but who knows what he could do under Gerrard's stewardship?

After literally YEARS of failing to sort it, Defensive midfielder has to be the club's #1 priority this summer. Forget everything else until that position is filled (maybe with an understudy too!).

Yep.  If we continue with the formation with two wideish strikers with Coutinho / Buendia playing just behind them, then second on the list would be a striker who could play that role. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 13, 2022, 12:10:43 AM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!

I can't see those tweets?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 12:34:29 AM
Percy is great!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: purpletrousers on May 13, 2022, 01:38:36 AM
Someone mentioned that Gerrard and Coutinho share the same agent.  Any Ideas which other players are signed up as it may be a clue to where we (Gerrard) has influence and potential future signings.
If that is our recruitment strategy, what the f**k does Lange actually do?!

“As we look to build towards next season, it is incredible to work at a club that executes its business so decisively and smoothly.”

Was going to look for that quote too!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ozzjim on May 13, 2022, 06:45:13 AM
Watched Philips twice in the last 2 weeks. I may be harsh, but he looks slower than Gareth Barry when he was 39. I think we need 2 players of that ilk this summer, Bissouma and Kamara would be my choice, but Villa appear to have been hot under collar for Philips for about 4 years now.

Purslow is like a pig in shit with Gerrard and Coutinho, he loves a bit of limelight. Done a damned good deal to get Barca down to £17m though. Fab bit of work.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 13, 2022, 07:00:57 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 13, 2022, 07:50:01 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: baddowvillans on May 13, 2022, 08:31:15 AM
At least we'd have some teeth up front
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: darren woolley on May 13, 2022, 08:32:31 AM
Now we have signed Coutinho I think we will attract bigger named players now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2022, 08:39:53 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.

It makes me laugh when people say Watkins can't finish. Didn't he score his 100th league goal the other week?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 13, 2022, 09:05:13 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing

If he came to teach Watkins how to finish I'm all for it. If he cane expecting to start 38 games a season he can piss right off.
As a squad player he would be an unreal signing for the winning mentally and the things he could pass on to archer, Watkins and ings would be invaluable in years to come.

It makes me laugh when people say Watkins can't finish. Didn't he score his 100th league goal the other week?

He's on 80 according to Wiki, 56 of which were in League 2 and the Championship.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 13, 2022, 09:39:15 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 13, 2022, 09:44:04 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Is his brother Alfie coming as well? *

* A little bit of poetic licence there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:49:23 AM
Supposedly Suarez will be the next new signing
I'm convinced he'll be signing for season
Now we have signed Coutinho I think we will attract bigger named players now.
Well on the itk front rumours all the talk is the big signing is going to be Suarez and the other strong links are these players

Left Backs under consideration
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defenders scouted and touted
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders strong linked and scouted
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma

Striker
Luis Suarez free transfer

Can see one from each area being signed with perhaps 2 from the midfielders section and for sure I'm convinced Suarez will be coming on a free transfer makes sense all round to have the quality finisher and recognised name coming in along with those other additions will be very strong transfers and improve our squad area and depth.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:52:26 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:54:49 AM
John Percy has been busy tweeting tonight. Bassey or Hickey as competition for Digne. Calvin Phillips and Yves Bissouma linked in squad revamp. Carney and Ashley offered new deals.  It’s all happening!

I can't see those tweets?

From a published article by itk  Percy
"Gerrard is preparing for a major revamp of his squad this summer, with Leeds midfielder Kalvin Phillips his leading target.

Brighton's Yves Bissouma is also on Villa's radar, after a £25m offer was rejected in the first week of the January transfer window, and the Mali international is widely expected to leave the club.

Villa are also targeting a new left-back to provide competition for £25m defender Lucas Digne, with Rangers' Calvin Bassey and Bologna's Aaron Hickey under consideration"

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 13, 2022, 09:56:34 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 13, 2022, 09:57:36 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
It was the B Side for Diamonds are Forever
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 09:58:28 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:01:50 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

I don't think we need to be a big spender in that position.

Well we need to target someone

I don’t think I’ve heard that one.
Well we do need to get in another left back as we don't keep Matt Target and not 3 left backs so be all about the Bassey no treble. I'm all 'bout that bass 'bout that bass, no treble!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 13, 2022, 10:04:41 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

We could save ourselves twenty million quid by throwing the Burnley game...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 10:05:07 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 10:11:01 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.

Don't need it, hardly ever misses a game and he's easily been our best player this season. ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 13, 2022, 10:13:18 AM
I can't stand Shirley Bassey.

Anyway, carry on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:21:36 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.
Forever Young offered a new contract
Joe Gomez probable to come in as centre back and would do a job at right back
Kessler also has scope like you say
And how could we forget Callum tekkers Chambers!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 10:30:00 AM
It's become pretty clear and has been said for several weeks that Kalvin Phillips is our number one midfield target. Plenty sources suggest that and also suggest be willing to pay top price. I think probably more than any other rival.

Garry MCalister was at Elland road the other night watching on.
I think all that needs to be arranged is the fee dependant on which division they are in next season.

We could save ourselves twenty million quid by throwing the Burnley game...
Phillips seems to be playing out the season resigned to leaving regardless.
If Bielsa was still there maybe but he needs to be playing better level otherwise his standard will continue to drop as it has done. I welcome him and it's been a long pursuit as Deano nearly ensnared him when we were promoted but the story goes when Kalvin told his nan Villa had been in contact she said give it one more season with Leeds to get promoted... And they did
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 13, 2022, 10:34:18 AM
Interesting that we’ve started to Count Bassey* as one of our new Targetts.


Could see us bringing in half a dozen players this summer, including Phil. Maybe backups for Digne/Cash, couple of combative midfielders, and someone like Suarez on a free who’d maybe add a bit of experience and be someone Ollie and Cam could learn from.


* slight use of artistic license
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 13, 2022, 11:00:33 AM
"Ideally you want everything to fall into place straight away but it doesn’t work like that. It is a process and you need some patience and luck along the way."

Good quote from Gerrard that's worth bearing in mind in transfer windows where we're getting frustrated at a lack of perceived action.

Perhaps ironic coming after completing the Coutinho deal before they season is even over, I appreciate.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: KevinGage on May 13, 2022, 11:06:15 AM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 13, 2022, 11:09:51 AM
What about a back-up RB/competition for Cash? Unless we think KKH can step-up.

Don't need it, hardly ever misses a game and he's easily been our best player this season. ;)

I seem to be a lone-wolf on that  ;D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 11:43:41 AM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh that would be extraordinary. He's like the best! I would love us to bring him here. Catapults us up the league straight away. Imagine!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lsvilla on May 13, 2022, 12:00:53 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh that would be extraordinary. He's like the best! I would love us to bring him here. Catapults us up the league straight away. Imagine!
My missus has been saying this all season. Based on nothing but a gut feel and the Matty Cash link.  I would absolutely love him. But is it bad that a part of me hopes it doesn't happen as I'll never hear the end of it ?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 13, 2022, 12:10:05 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...
Oh please be true. Along with Magic Phil, that would be an extraordinary statement of intent
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 12:50:35 PM
Lewandowski not looking to extend his contract at Bayern.

Has apparently been asking our very own Mateusz Gotowka about the PL...

Oh please be true. Along with Magic Phil, that would be an extraordinary statement of intent

Hopefully him and Magic Phil were good mates when they were at Bayern together. :)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
Lewandowski done deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:03:30 PM
So our revised list of itk and rumours are we have Top priorities for a new centre-half. . a commanding midfielder and  finding a genuine A-list striker.
Percy suggested too we are after a left back with 2 names mentioned

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:07:47 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Well if the case I think we all go beserk!
My 3 from our transfer list would be Gomez ,Phillips and Lewandowski. And Hickey for left back.

I think it will be Joe Gomez signed from Liverpool for defence. Bassey as left sided back up.
2 Midfielders Phillips and Bissouma for 50m combined (if Leeds relegated )or just one of them and Kamara on the free
And striker Luis Suarez free.

But if we sign Lewandowski who lets not forget played well with Coutinho and is truly world class well Champions league here we come!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 13, 2022, 01:12:56 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 13, 2022, 01:24:38 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.

Also partial to the crazy golf in Pype Hayes park.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 01:30:50 PM
Lewandowski done deal.

Mbappe is unsettled too and his favourite golf course is the Belfry.
and looking forward to linking up with his French team mate Paul Pogba.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 13, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 13, 2022, 01:36:09 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 01:39:20 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.
I think those £50m Allan Saint-Maximin rumours may just be that if this is the case
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 13, 2022, 01:40:31 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.

He wouldn't even get on the bench if Archer came back, unless we sent Haaland straight back out on loan.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: rooboy316 on May 13, 2022, 01:50:44 PM
Is it too late to outbid mancity for Haaland? Surely we could offer more than his release clause…
Gerrard has allready got the problem of squeezing Mbappe Lewandowski Ings and Watkins into the forward line, I just can’t see Harland being happy on the bench.

He wouldn't even get on the bench if Archer came back, unless we sent Haaland straight back out on loan.
I reckon PNE could live with Haaland on loan for a year if they returned Archer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 13, 2022, 06:33:09 PM
1. We seem to have done lots of our business 'on the quiet' so I wonder how many of these names are really targets.
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.
3. Suarez - just, NO!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 06:42:13 PM
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.

I don't want either tbh, hopefully it's just lazy journalism given the Liverpool link. I'd have hoped the Rhian Brewster debacle would have put other clubs off signing any of their 'highly rated' youngsters.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 13, 2022, 07:43:46 PM
As a joke a said to a colleague who is a blue nose that we were looking at signing Lewandowski, he didn't even question it.
That's what happens when you have Gerrard as a manager and you've just signed Coutinho.

Meanwhile he told me that they might sign Diego Costa. I can't say my reaction was the same as his.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 13, 2022, 07:55:46 PM
As a joke a said to a colleague who is a blue nose that we were looking at signing Lewandowski, he didn't even question it.
That's what happens when you have Gerrard as a manager and you've just signed Coutinho.

Meanwhile he told me that they might sign Diego Costa. I can't say my reaction was the same as his.

I think he means Diego, the lad who works at Costa in Brindley Place.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2022, 07:57:49 PM
1. We seem to have done lots of our business 'on the quiet' so I wonder how many of these names are really targets.
2. I don't get the apparent obsession with Gomez - if we were to buy a CB from L''The Mighty Reds YNWA' I think I'd prefer Phillips; but the must be others that we might buy.
3. Suarez - just, NO!

Well I think we have or are going to try for a lot of those that have been named.
Previously likes of Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe was common knowledge just the Ings and Chambers moves were the opportunistic ones.

There has been so much talk of Gomez, Phillips and Bissouma and was heavy talk for Suarez in winter but think that's the deal that's been done on the quiet as such. And he will be in for summer and signed on free.

Certainly wouldn't be surprised if we signed these players
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 13, 2022, 09:47:56 PM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 13, 2022, 09:49:43 PM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.

Saw that, 43m the fee quoted. Never seen him play so over to Toronto Villa for the scouting report.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 01:12:26 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

He might have the Midas touch.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2022, 07:21:37 AM
Being linked with a move Calvin Bassey to provide competition for Digne.

Shirley we can do better than that?

No, we need him because the diamond formation is forever.

He might have the Midas touch.

We are big spenders aren't we?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2022, 10:46:43 AM
...Previously likes of Ward Prowse and Smith Rowe was common knowledge...
Exactly my point: they didn't sign!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mister E on May 14, 2022, 10:49:03 AM
Birmingham Mail has a story linking us to Jonathan David. I'd be very happy with that, he's a bit raw but young enough to improve a lot and he has serious pace.
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2022, 10:59:46 AM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 14, 2022, 12:00:57 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Just for a game which one would you take in the prime of the list above
Think it would be fowler for me best finisher it I’ve ever seen
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2022, 12:02:52 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Benteke? Incredible on his day. In an appalling team, too!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2022, 12:46:23 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 14, 2022, 01:52:31 PM
A 1-in-3 striker currently. We need some pace. If Bailey comes good next season (a big IF, in my view), the 2 could be interchangeable, both adding pace.

A really top class striker would be nice, don't seem to have one since Yorke. Just talking this morning about the prolific strikers Liverpool have had over the years, Aldridge, Rush, Fowler, Owen, Torres, Suarez, Salah. 

Just for a game which one would you take in the prime of the list above
Think it would be fowler for me best finisher it I’ve ever seen

Rush without a doubt. Watkins’ work rate, combined with erm… Rush’s finishing ability.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 14, 2022, 02:45:18 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Agreed. Loved Big John, and that team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2022, 02:53:10 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 14, 2022, 03:32:30 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

Sam Allardyce of all people, in 2017 got him back looking closer to the player we had, but left Palace at the end of that season. Roy Hodgson for whatever reason just didn't seem too keen on him, and he's been average ever since.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2022, 03:36:01 PM
A player like Benteke in his prime for us would thrive in our team now. He was incredible for us and probably the only ray of sunshine we had for many years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Eckybloke on May 14, 2022, 04:52:39 PM
What about Lewandowski up front?  He’d do a job would he not?
🤣
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on May 14, 2022, 06:01:54 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He's lost confidence. Looks sheepish.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 14, 2022, 06:03:07 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He's lost confidence. Looks sheepish.
most managers Benteke has had since leaving Villa, only Allardyce at Palace has played to his strengths. The rest haven't and he's looked totally lost.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 14, 2022, 06:03:37 PM
If people could avoid slagging Benteke off until at least 4pm tomorrow, that would be nice.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 06:07:54 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Mellin on May 14, 2022, 06:15:24 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Yep. Ashley Young delivery and if you shackled Carew, you'd have Martin Laursen leaping above you like a deranged gazelle.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 14, 2022, 06:20:22 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Yep. Ashley Young delivery and if you shackled Carew, you'd have Martin Laursen leaping above you like a deranged gazelle.

Haha a deranged gazelle is an excellent description.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2022, 08:32:06 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

Benteke would have been a perfect replacement for Drogba.
Although they had Lukaku, at the time Benteke was better.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 14, 2022, 08:32:38 PM
John Carew too. Slightly held back by inuries but what a player. His goals to games started ratio was pretty well 1 in 2 for a couple of years.

Yep agreed Benteke and Carew were great.

I still find Benteke’s career so strange. He was bloody brilliant for us, how he ended up as a bit of an also ram is bizarre.

He signed for a team that didn’t at the time cross the ball, he was made for Chelsea or Man Utd…just got lost at Liverpool
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Lastfootstamper on May 14, 2022, 08:52:00 PM
Loved John Carew. That was a great bit of business swapping Baros for him. That was a time when teams hated conceding set pieces around their own box against us.

Benteke’s first season...I thought we had the next Didier Drogba. He was awesome.

I was quite an avid follower of foreign football at the time, and the signing of Carew got me so excited that I immediately bagged a half-season ticket for the first time since '91/92.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: fredm on May 14, 2022, 09:41:05 PM


Benteke would have been a perfect replacement for Drogba.
Although they had Lukaku, at the time Benteke was better.
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I could never get my head round why Chelsea didn’t sign Benteke after Drogba left. He was the most certain replacement they could have found. He would have slotted in to their system perfectly.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2022, 09:55:46 PM
What about Lewandowski up front?  He’d do a job would he not?
🤣

If some are writing off Coutinho at 29 god knows what they'd think of Lewandowski.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 15, 2022, 07:16:18 AM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 15, 2022, 08:50:48 AM
I suppose Suarez would offer a bit more bite to our often toothless attack.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 15, 2022, 10:21:04 PM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.

I'll add him to our list of targets

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma
Joe Aribo

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 15, 2022, 10:25:42 PM
Jo Aribo being linked on the gossip page. We probably should have signed him when we were in the Championship but not sure about now. Talented player though.

I'll add him to our list of targets

Left Back
Calvin Bassey
Aaron Hickey

Central Defender
Joe Gomez
Duje Ćaleta-Car

Midfielders
Boubacar Kamara
Kalvin Phillips
Yves Bissouma
Joe Aribo

Strikers
Luis Suarez
Robert Lewandowski
Jonathan David

I think we might miss out on a couple of them
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 16, 2022, 12:28:07 AM
Gomez feels an obvious one now with Konsa out for most of next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 16, 2022, 01:42:14 AM
Konsa is crocked?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 07:57:54 AM
Based on absolutely nothing, I’ve a feeling something has been done regarding Phillips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 16, 2022, 08:10:39 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PeterWithe on May 16, 2022, 08:12:39 AM
Gomez feels an obvious one now with Konsa out for most of next season.

Cant find anything other than him maybe needing a scan and doubtful for the last 2 games?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 08:14:03 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 16, 2022, 09:54:53 AM
"Our list of targets".

"Lewandowski"

Hmmmmm.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2022, 09:59:11 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?

Nothing concrete but there seems to be a bit of concern online that he might be out till 2023. Too early to say till he has the scan. https://twitter.com/IMechanisms/status/1525895718954745856
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 10:07:30 AM
"Our list of targets".

"Lewandowski"

Hmmmmm.

Oh ye of little faith....  ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 16, 2022, 11:56:48 AM
It is a shame if Konsa's injury is a bad one as he was one of the players Steven had wanted to sell to get some money for.

Where’s that snippet of information come from?

Nothing concrete but there seems to be a bit of concern online that he might be out till 2023. Too early to say till he has the scan. https://twitter.com/IMechanisms/status/1525895718954745856

I meant the part regarding where Gerrard told Sid he wants to sell Konsa
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 12:44:28 PM
I found it amusing that the "shame" wasn't that the poor guy is injured, or possibly fearing for his career if it's serious.  But that we can't flog him for lots of cash.

Fingers crossed it's nothing like a cruciate etc.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 16, 2022, 01:23:51 PM
Suarez rumours again. I'd love him here for a season, looking at his recent goalscoring record at Athletico he still knows where the goal is. One of the best strikers in PL history IMO.
That said, if we have him and Young on the books next season i think that would be it for the 'much over 30' brigade. The rest of the signings would need to have more legs in them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 16, 2022, 01:34:48 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 16, 2022, 01:58:23 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer

Blimey, no need to start your own click-bait.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2022, 05:50:04 PM
If West Ham are prepared to give us anything over £35m for Ollie I'd snap their hand off. At the rumoured £40m we could add what, £20m and bring in Tammy? It would be a massive upgrade for £20m, possibly less. Despite Tammy being happy at Roma, I reckon right now we're one of the few PL clubs he would seriously consider moving back for.

Ings and Archer on the bench. If we're going to play a far more technical game we'll need more technically gifted players. We either get rid this summer or waste a season and get rid the next. He's done us proud but in the interests of both parties I think it's best he goes in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 16, 2022, 05:53:08 PM
Selling Ollie for £10m more than what we got him for would be pointless. Anyway, Gerrard has already said he's going nowhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 05:58:57 PM
Watkins offers more that Abraham does in terms of his all round game. In terms of goals Watkins has 11 in the Premier League, Abraham has 15 in the woeful Serie A. Not much difference. I wouldn't consider selling Watkins unless someone offered us stupid money. I don't think we would get a better player without spending at least fifty million.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 16, 2022, 06:07:33 PM
+ Tammy’s stock his high so they’ll be looking for fee up towards Jacks to sell him, that ship sailed the day Lampard got the Chelsea gig
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 16, 2022, 06:22:07 PM
Abraham has scored a total of 25 this season and looks close to beat his personal record of 26 at Villa. I'm really struggling to see what 'Watkins offers more that Abraham in terms of his all round game' other than chasing the ball. I used to think Tammy could only score inside the 6 yard box, I think almost every Villa goal he scored was in there but he has really improved his game and is a real threat further out.

If SG says "We want to build this around the likes of Ollie Watkins. We are delighted with him" then I guess we're stuck with him, at least for another season. I just hope Ollie will be kept in for extra training to work on his poor technique. He bloody needs it!

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:25:03 PM
He's scored fifteen league goals. Obviously he will have scored more than Watkins if you include cups because he's played loads more matches. Watkins was brilliant last season and has shown that he is getting back to that standard this season in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on May 16, 2022, 06:26:54 PM
See below

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim
Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer


Seriously?

Gerrard himself said (in recent weeks) he rates Konsa highly and can't wait for him to reset for next season
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:32:12 PM
Sources:
Aston Villa have made enquiries about signing Robert Lewandowski and think that sid1964 is a moaning git.

It's easy this making up a quote lark!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 06:46:52 PM
The Carragher quote is from a clickbait article written 25th February 2022.
Carragher's huge claim, was that Konsa had made a "huge" difference to the side.

https://www.footballinsider247.com/aston-villa-konsa-summer/

Exclusive: Aston Villa to listen to offers for regular starter hailed 'Brilliant' by Carragher

By Wayne Veysey
25th Feb, 2022 | 7:30am

Sources: Aston Villa to listen to offers for Ezri Konsa after 'huge' Jamie Carragher claim

Aston Villa will listen to offers for Ezri Konsa this summer as Steven Gerrard intensifies his overhaul of the squad, Football Insider has learned.

This site revealed on Monday (21 February) that the Midlands giants have made Liverpool defender Joe Gomez their “number one priority” ahead of the main window this year.

A Villa source has told Football Insider that Konza’s future at the club is now up in the air going into the final months of the season.

Manager Steven Gerrard is not convinced by the reliability and consistency of the defender, 24, despite him being a mainstay of the starting XI.

Gerrard wanted a new centre-back in January but Liverpool were not willing to sell or loan top target Gomez.

Villa decided to hold off until the summer on spending big on a defender and instead recruited Calum Chambers on a free from Arsenal to replace Axel Tuanzebe following the termination of his Man United loan.

Money will be set aside to strengthen a back line that has conceded 37 goals from 24 Premier League matches this season.

Konsa and Tyrone Mings have been the established central defensive pair for Villa during most of their three seasons back in the Premier League.

Indeed, Konsa was hailed a “brilliant defender” by Jamie Carragher on Sky Sports’ Monday Night Football programme in March of last year.

The former Liverpool centre-back claimed the centre-back had made a “huge difference” and “I can’t talk enough about how impressed I’ve been with him defensively”.

Konsa has made 21 Premier League starts among 23 appearances in all competitions for Villa this season.

He has missed the last two matches due to a suspension
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:48:12 PM
I think Sid is probably a more reliable source than Football Insider, to be fair.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 16, 2022, 06:54:44 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 16, 2022, 06:56:48 PM
That's more like it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 16, 2022, 07:04:15 PM
I think Sid is probably a more reliable source than Football Insider, to be fair.

What?! Wayne Veysey is not ITK?! 😮
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 16, 2022, 07:26:22 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

The evolution of the squad continues
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 16, 2022, 08:59:43 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

The evolution of the squad continues

Perhaps, depends on the origin of this specious link.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 16, 2022, 09:00:19 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.
the Mail? meh - won't happen then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 16, 2022, 09:28:20 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

He's immense but also linked with pretty much every top Champions League Club aswell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 16, 2022, 09:30:34 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 16, 2022, 09:31:24 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

How many players have come from Portugal recently and settled really well? Samedo, Moutinho, Neves, Sa (all Wolves), Dias, Cancelo and Silva (Man City), Jota, Diaz (Liverpool), Fernandes (Man United). And that's just scraping the surface.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: TonyD on May 16, 2022, 10:24:58 PM
+ Tammy’s stock his high so they’ll be looking for fee up towards Jacks to sell him, that ship sailed the day Lampard got the Chelsea gig
There are other strikers.  I’d leave Tammy well alone.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 16, 2022, 10:37:57 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 16, 2022, 10:49:39 PM
Evening Mail linking us with Benfica striker Darwin Nunuz for a 'cut price' £51m. 34 goals in 41 games albeit in a weak league.

He's immense but also linked with pretty much every top Champions League Club aswell.

Article suggests they want a quick deal soon so as to plan their window better, similar to Barcelona with Coutinho. Besides he would love playing with Suarez and Lewandowski!

At least we are being linked with better players these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 16, 2022, 11:05:18 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

I think its sentimental value with Tammy, looking back to glories of 2019. But that ship has sailed. If he hadnt played for us so well previously im not sure we’d be on about him more than a range of other strikers playing here or abroad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 16, 2022, 11:17:53 PM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.
I honestly don’t think he’d come.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 17, 2022, 02:29:57 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.

I think Mourinho quite likes Luiz. But the money would be high for Tammy. I’ve always had my doubts about Tammy as a top level striker. Plus he’s very much a down the middle type. For next season I think we need more variety. Someone who could play wide and through the middle and can hold the ball up. Definitely need someone who offers more aerial threat and can link the play. As we saw on Saturday, we need to be able switch up if the diamond isn't working but not necessarily with making a sub.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 17, 2022, 02:32:23 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

I think its sentimental value with Tammy, looking back to glories of 2019. But that ship has sailed. If he hadnt played for us so well previously im not sure we’d be on about him more than a range of other strikers playing here or abroad.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:54:55 AM
Some of the names linked suggest somebody has been messing with a ouija board and managed to snag Deadly's 2022 AGM transfer target list from beyond the ether.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2022, 08:19:07 AM

I don’t think Abraham would be worth the money we’d have to pay to get him from Roma. The money could be better spent elsewhere and at better value.

Luiz + a load of cash (not Matty) might swing it.

I think Mourinho quite likes Luiz. But the money would be high for Tammy. I’ve always had my doubts about Tammy as a top level striker. Plus he’s very much a down the middle type. For next season I think we need more variety. Someone who could play wide and through the middle and can hold the ball up. Definitely need someone who offers more aerial threat and can link the play. As we saw on Saturday, we need to be able switch up if the diamond isn't working but not necessarily with making a sub.

I don’t know about now, but when he was with us he seemed to play across the front line.
This is why I always thought he and Watkins could play together, as Ollie can play across the line, too, creating a very mobile front line

That said, although I’d love to see him back, it probably is sentimental memories.
Plus, I think they’d be looking at £70m+
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 08:21:52 AM
Are they looking for anything?  I thought he was smashing it there and they love him and he loves them?  I'm not sure why either side would want him to leave?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 17, 2022, 08:36:48 AM
Are they looking for anything?  I thought he was smashing it there and they love him and he loves them?  I'm not sure why either side would want him to leave?

I agree, but, happy or not, you know that everyone has a price.
If Roma were offered £70m, by anyone, I’m pretty sure they’d be tempted.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 17, 2022, 08:47:00 AM
Yeah I think we should have gone for Tammy rather than Ings made much more sense in many ways

Things Ings came from us trying to get JWP and then saying - ok then whose your next best player

I’m sure Tammy said somewhere when he was with us he liked coming in from channels but I might have mis remembered

Anyway - think that ship has sailed
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 17, 2022, 09:55:40 AM
No way i'd swap Watkins for Abraham, even a straight swap. Abraham was a cracking finisher but offered little else. I'd take him and Suarez as competition for Ings and Watkins though at the right price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 17, 2022, 10:23:18 AM
I heard we were very close to signing Tammy instead of Ings last summer but the deal collapsed as we wouldn’t agree to Chelsea’s insistence on a buyback clause. Roma were fine with it.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 17, 2022, 12:58:26 PM
To be fair, we’d probably had enough with clauses by that point.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 01:05:21 PM
To be fair, we’d probably had enough with clauses by that point.
Yep, fans would have been furious if we'd signed up to having to release him back if he did well. The Luiz buy back clause gave people enough palpitations.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2022, 01:08:29 PM
Considering they paid £34m a year ago, Roma would probably want £50m+ to let Abraham go, and I'm not sure he's worth that much?  Yes, he's scored 15 goals this season for Roma, which is nice work in a debut season, but is he really going to come here and do 20+ in the Premier League?  It's not my money, and he'd improve our squad, but if we're really sitting on £50-60m budget for a 'striker', I think we could do better.

The one thing that might tempt them - and Tammy - is that Roma aren't in the Champions League next season.  They're in Europe, but not at the top table, so there might be some temptation there?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 01:12:15 PM
Realistically, who would be in the frame as a striker?

Experienced
Good injury record
Scored at different levels
Physical
+£50m

It won't be a long list.

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2022, 01:27:05 PM
Realistically, who would be in the frame as a striker?

Experienced
Good injury record
Scored at different levels
Physical
+£50m

It won't be a long list.



I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

I'm sure if someone becomes available we'd be interested, but with Kane and Salah looking settled, and Haaland already with Man City, and Mbappe to Real, I don't expect much of a centre-forward merry-go-round this summer. The one wild-card is Dybala from Juventus, depending on where he goes, it might kick things off a bit with the availability of first-choice strikers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2022, 01:36:06 PM
I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

That's been my take as well. I'd be happy enough with Watkins/Ings and Suarez (if we got a decent fee for one of Ings/Watkins) for a season with Cam developing out on loan and then see where we're at and what's available. Focus on getting a top quality DM and CB this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 01:59:44 PM
I sort of agree but I think we might see the long term option come in this window as well, especially if Ings or Watkins go out. Suarez and the Darwin fella for example would make sense.

Not many options for the 'experienced old head' player after Suarez though.

There are however a lot of good attacking players going into the last year of their contract who we might be able to do something with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: CT Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:14:38 PM
I suspect that's what has led to the repeated Suarez links.  He gives us a year, while either one of our homegrown products develops well enough to be a proper first-team option, or it's long enough to find someone else out there more long-term.  If not him, I suspect a reasonably high-profile Bosman as a stop-gap is likely.

That's been my take as well. I'd be happy enough with Watkins/Ings and Suarez (if we got a decent fee for one of Ings/Watkins) for a season with Cam developing out on loan and then see where we're at and what's available. Focus on getting a top quality DM and CB this summer.

Ditto...I don't see a down-side with Suarez for a year. His relationships with SG, Gary Mac and Coutinho would make for a smooth landing and he's another high-profile name that should elevate the club. If it all comes crashing down, we can let him quietly slip out of the back door after 12 months.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 02:18:39 PM
This is almost as important as the DM position. Neither Ings or Watkins are good enough to lead the line by themselves in SG's various set-ups and having them both playing leaves us short elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: boozey182 on May 17, 2022, 02:25:22 PM
I really don't want us to Suarez. I don't really get the appeal at all, other than he used to play with Gerrard and Coutinho.

I think he's scored 11 goals this season, which is the same in Watkins only for a much better team in a much weaker league. He's going to be a year older, a bit slower, and in a more physical league if he comes here. If we are getting him here for our youngsters to learn from him in training, can't we just get a better coach instead?

If we want him to raise our profile, I reckon getting Tom Hanks, Prince William and Usain Bolt to all attend a match together will probably have the same, if not greater, impact.

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.

There must be better options out there, and our scouting has to be more creative than just looking at Liverpool highlights from 10 years ago.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 17, 2022, 02:33:33 PM
I'm not sure about Suarez either.  I reckon he'd score a few goals, but we'd have to compromise how we play to cover for him.  And what's the point really? - we know we'll be back to square one striker wise next season.  For me the upside just doesn't justify the outlay.  I don't agree that Watkins and Cam would be happy just to sit on the bench, clean his boots and learn from him.  Top flight footballers don't think like that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 17, 2022, 02:48:43 PM
The problem I have with Watkins is that he has no chemistry with Coutinho. They must have worked at routines in training but we see a lovely dinked ball over the defence at the weekend and Watkins flat footed not anticipating what he would do. A top striker is on to that.  I actually think Archer would have been too.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 02:49:01 PM
I'm not completely sold on Suarez but I can understand the appeal for SG.

My bigger concern is that the links we've seen so far are to very different players.

Suarez is an out and out centre forward, leading the line on his and getting on the end of things in the box. That's a similar player to Ings in my opinion and I'd be ok with that if the long term plan is to have the 2 10s pushed slightly wider to line up on the inside shoulder of the fullbacks. If that's how we want to play then why haven't we seen Coutinho and Buendia in those roles either side of Ings because all 3 naturally work in those positions but have never really had chances to show it.

Alternatively we line up with 2 forwards who are expected to drift wide at times and a more traditional 10 in behind them, which our selections point towards more clearly and if we go that way Darwin Nunez and Jonathan David make sense because again that wider centre forward role suits both of them.

It might be that Gerrard wants to be able to do both but in that case I think getting a forward better suited to the wider role than Ings is a much higher priority than getting another forward for the 2 10s setup. I suspect though that the wide forwards option is plan a anyway which is why we've seen Bailey and Traore both get time pushed pretty high up the pitch to see if they can fill in for 1 of those positions.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: London Villan on May 17, 2022, 03:01:46 PM
Signing Coutinho has probably made SG re-assess his preferred style of play. Emi2 has been our brightest player in the last few games, but can't get a start.

The potential of having two quality 10s is an advantage, but he is yet to develop the system that suits them - or have the supporting players to do that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:05:17 PM
We already have the shortest team outside Lilliput. We are rubbish when opponents know that we have to play it from the back and leave a load of players on the edge of our area, accordingly. We have to have an outlet. Scoring the odd goal from a corner might be nice, too.

Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 17, 2022, 03:12:03 PM
Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.

Well at least that rules out Bono.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 17, 2022, 03:13:17 PM
We already have the shortest team outside Lilliput. We are rubbish when opponents know that we have to play it from the back and leave a load of players on the edge of our area, accordingly. We have to have an outlet. Scoring the odd goal from a corner might be nice, too.

Having Ings, Suarez and maybe Archer as our options would make it worse. If we are going to replace Watkins, and I don't think we should, it needs to be with someone who doesn't need to wear high heels to be allowed on the rides at Alton Towers.

This is why i like the link to Darwin, who looks about 6'1-6'2 to me. Add 1 of Kamara, Sangare or Kondogbia at the base of midfield and it'd go a long way towards addressing that problem.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2022, 03:23:07 PM
Darwin's buy-out clause is €150m. At 22 he looks a great prospect, scores for fun, 32 goals this season if CDbearsfan allows the European goals (Liverpool, Barca, Ajax, Bayern, etc) and reminds me of a fellow countryman of his at the Plastics. No wonder PSG, Plastic Utd among others are interested.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:26:37 PM
He sounds fancy. Get him in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2022, 03:30:49 PM
Did i mention he has an alice band AND a man bun?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 03:46:12 PM
Alice band I like, nice and continental. Man bun is a bit Leeds for my liking, though.

Ah well, there will be other targets out there, I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2022, 08:07:26 PM
If we sign Phillips too, our man bun quota will extend beyond the well known Lanabury limit of only 1 shit haircut per squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 17, 2022, 08:09:23 PM
If we sign Phillips too, our man bun quota will extend beyond the well known Lanabury limit of only 1 shit haircut per squad.


I dont rate Philips for the money he will cost
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2022, 08:32:48 PM
I think he’s very good - his problem appears to be injuries, at least of late.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 08:41:36 PM
I'd love us to sign Phillips. But that's it, then. No more man buns. Or men bun. Or men buns. Whatever the correct plural is.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 17, 2022, 08:45:17 PM
He’s excellent, I just can’t see him leaving Leeds.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 17, 2022, 08:45:56 PM
He will if we lose on Thursday...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on May 17, 2022, 08:54:53 PM
Christopher Nkunku
RB Leipzig / France 24
Attacking Midfielder
34 appearances in Bundesliga this year, 20 goals, 15 assists.
Wants to move on to 'the next level'.
If that doesn't say sign me Villa I don't know what does.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: IFWaters on May 17, 2022, 09:05:28 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: UK Redsox on May 17, 2022, 09:23:35 PM
I'd love us to sign Phillips. But that's it, then. No more man buns. Or men bun. Or men buns. Whatever the correct plural is.

I think that it’s ‘mens bun’, similar to ‘grands prix’
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 17, 2022, 09:25:26 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2022, 10:38:44 PM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.

Farmers League. You'd fit in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: gpbarr on May 18, 2022, 12:41:29 AM
I really don't want us to Suarez. I don't really get the appeal at all, other than he used to play with Gerrard and Coutinho.

I think he's scored 11 goals this season, which is the same in Watkins only for a much better team in a much weaker league. He's going to be a year older, a bit slower, and in a more physical league if he comes here. If we are getting him here for our youngsters to learn from him in training, can't we just get a better coach instead?

If we want him to raise our profile, I reckon getting Tom Hanks, Prince William and Usain Bolt to all attend a match together will probably have the same, if not greater, impact.

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.

There must be better options out there, and our scouting has to be more creative than just looking at Liverpool highlights from 10 years ago.

Could not agree more. Signing Suarez would be a desperate move. Have we not learnt?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 12:53:47 AM
Ryan Gravenberch
Ajax / Holland, 20
Very highly rated defensive midfielder
30 appearances in Eredivisie this year
32 million but probably following Ten Hag to the Theatre of Wankers

Signing for Bayern.

Farmers League. You'd fit in.

It's all fun and games until you need someone who has a field for you to pitch your caravan in.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 10:13:26 AM
Sounds like Boubacar Kamara is going to Athletico Madrid.  So that's one down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:13:56 AM
Who?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2022, 10:18:43 AM
The Marseille dude we're looking to reunite with Morgan Sanson The Brave.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:19:31 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2022, 10:45:16 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?

Oh god, not another sevco?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 10:45:42 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:47:02 AM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:47:21 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?

Oh god, not another sevco?

Doesn't bear (no pun intended) thinking about.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2022, 10:49:22 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?

Chris, you've been here long enough to know that's exactly what we do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2022, 11:23:51 AM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.

It's not Chris's fault that they can't spell "Athletic".
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2022, 11:27:40 AM
No, I mean who are "Athletico Madrid"?
Christ, we're pulling up typos now?

I know he didn't post for a while, but coming back wasn't a resurrection.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 18, 2022, 12:00:04 PM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.
If I'm honest I always think of them as Athletico even though I know it's wrong.  I guess in the same way I think of Holland not The Netherlands and French not Francais.  As Risso says, it's not our fault these foriners don't speak proper eng-er-lish

edit - yes I know Athletico is a bastardisation of the two word and is wrong both ways.  What can I say, I'm a philistine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 12:00:35 PM
I assumed you thought that's what they were called and was trying to help. Wouldn't have bothered if I'd known you were going to be so ungrateful.

It's not Chris's fault that they can't spell "Athletic".

It's Franco's fault, actually. He made them change from "Athletic" as he didn't like foreign sounding names. He did the same with Bilbao but they changed it back once he croaked.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 18, 2022, 12:29:36 PM

Who?


Super John McGinn
I just don’t think you understand…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 18, 2022, 12:59:29 PM

Also, I am almost certain that Suarez is a bellend.


Yes, but if we signed him and he scored a few important late goals from the bench and bit a Wolves or Burnley player or two he’d be transformed from a ‘bellend’ to a ‘loveable, cheeky little scamp’.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: murgsy on May 18, 2022, 01:05:33 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today. Looks very tidy as a CB. But probably West Ham, Chelsea and Newcastle would want him too....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 01:29:23 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 01:37:11 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

His first name certainly makes sense.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: frank black on May 18, 2022, 01:53:42 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

His first name certainly makes sense.

You are Nick Owen!?

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 18, 2022, 01:55:09 PM
Only when I sleep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2022, 01:55:49 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 18, 2022, 05:08:46 PM
Apparently according to French tv l'équipe B. Kamara from Marseille on his way to Athletico Madrid. Shame because I think he would have been perfect for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Kevin Dawson on May 18, 2022, 05:11:07 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 18, 2022, 05:13:03 PM
Apparently according to French tv l'équipe B. Kamara from Marseille on his way to Athletico Madrid.

Uh-oh!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 05:19:41 PM
Just when I thought I was out...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 18, 2022, 06:41:08 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....

And my graduation suit in the same year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 18, 2022, 08:51:17 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 18, 2022, 08:59:16 PM
Is that the lad with the big ears?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 18, 2022, 09:15:53 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 18, 2022, 09:20:06 PM
We are going to get pipped at the post to clubs who can offer European football and are considered big in their respective countries because we are going for or are linked to a lot higher quality player

Virtually all the links and rumours etc are for top players which is great but most won’t come off because we’ve been in the wilderness for so long
We would normally be linked to up and coming championship players or unknowns from the euro leagues

Just hope a couple of biggies do happen, Coutinho signing will help, but we are definitely fishing in a different pond nowadays which is great but not easily successful
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: garyellis on May 18, 2022, 09:40:47 PM
Can someone explain to me why some believe Newcastle are the new threat to the top clubs?
I get the sovereign wealth stuff but why do some think that within the FFP (or successor rules) we can’t compete and are actually further ahead on this road?
I do not see Newcastle as the new Man City or Chelsea and effectively trumping our approach to compete.
John e above makes some valid points hence why signing Coutinho was a statement.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 09:51:01 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on May 18, 2022, 09:57:55 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 18, 2022, 10:03:17 PM
He might be 29 but he's got a good engine.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 18, 2022, 10:04:32 PM
Can someone explain to me why some believe Newcastle are the new threat to the top clubs?
I get the sovereign wealth stuff but why do some think that within the FFP (or successor rules) we can’t compete and are actually further ahead on this road?
I do not see Newcastle as the new Man City or Chelsea and effectively trumping our approach to compete.
John e above makes some valid points hence why signing Coutinho was a statement.

Apart from holding Barcelona to ransom there were some financial benefits to us doing the Coutinho deal early. My understanding is that the FFP rules are changing as of this summer; with an emphasis now on revenue (think clubs are only permitted to spend 70% of it from next season onwards or pay a super tax). I think prior to these rule changes Newcastle did have a significant advantage in that for years and years (until Bruce came in) Ashley spent relatively little net wise in order to make a sale for attractive as there was plenty of FFP wriggle room for spending. Now I don’t believe that will be as relevant a factor. Mind you, they could just do what Man Citeh did to get round it. After all, the EPL have already approved the Newcastle take over with the ‘interesting’ view that there is no direct link between the Saudi Royal family and the PFI. They’ll probably just wave them through again. UEFA are terrible at bringing cases against clubs for breaches of FFP also (see PSG, see Man Citeh).
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 10:04:46 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:08:13 PM
Not sure he should be our main objective
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:08:51 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.
That would be a fracking amazing transfer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: manic-road on May 18, 2022, 10:09:52 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:11:50 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Guess it depends on his wages - you know the Total cost of the transfer
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:12:26 PM
Other signings would shale into insignificance
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 18, 2022, 10:13:21 PM
Total...ly irrelevant to the thread.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2022, 10:16:07 PM
Total...ly irrelevant to the thread.

Turning into just a Shell of a thread
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2022, 10:17:13 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

I wonder if there are any more in the pipeline...

Don't think about it, you'd just be fuelling rumours.

It's not a signing that would raise the BP

We Shell see.

Is there much of a Gulf in class beteween the Konsa and Tarkowski?
Guess it depends on his wages - you know the Total cost of the transfer

I'd like to have paired Tarkowski with Konsa, but Tarkowski and Mings?

Diesel do.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 18, 2022, 10:17:39 PM
Fucking boo.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:20:26 PM
There’s been some noble contributions
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 18, 2022, 10:22:59 PM
I was trying to explain to my wife the point of this forum, and why I waste so much time

She looked blank when I said that 90% of it is waiting for someone to make a small typo. so we can spend the next 3 hours making puns about it

Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 18, 2022, 10:24:45 PM
I was trying to explain to my wife the point of this forum, and why I waste so much time

She looked blank when I said that 90% of it is waiting for someone to make a small typo. so we can spend the next 3 hours making puns about it




yep pretty much , now back to it  :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 18, 2022, 10:34:09 PM
As long as we don’t sign a neonderthal like Ben Mee
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Alex77 on May 18, 2022, 10:35:15 PM
I do wonder if we should make a signing from India to open up that commercial market. The left back for the India national team is Jerry Lalrinzuala, and if anyone could help, Jerry can!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: FatSam on May 18, 2022, 11:10:11 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

Hard to top 'Ciro Cetterio' for that sort of thing.

Fascinating fact - they provided the team suits for the League Cup Final in 1994.....

And my graduation suit in the same year.

And my school blazer the same year.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 18, 2022, 11:18:05 PM
Maxence Lacrois from Wolfsburg rumours today.

Sounds like one of those made-up brands you get in TK Max. 'Carlo Carlucci' and so on.

I had a Gustavo Bartelt suit in the early 2000s
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 18, 2022, 11:40:27 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2022, 12:12:06 AM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 19, 2022, 06:48:44 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 19, 2022, 07:17:07 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clampy on May 19, 2022, 07:25:21 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Jumping the gun a bit there Sid. He hasn't signed for anyone  yet.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 08:35:32 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.

Certainly, as everything that has ever been in the gossip column has always come to pass.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 19, 2022, 09:19:22 AM
Beeb gossip reporting Citeh in for Phillips now, so if so we can strike him off the list.

Just like Arsenal being after Buendia?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave P on May 19, 2022, 09:19:38 AM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.

No.  Not with those ears.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 09:57:04 AM
Makes sense to look at the free transfer market. Tarkowski isn’t a bad player, Wet Spam seemed willing to spend a mint on him previously.  Didn’t Gerrard say something about looking at freebies in his press conference or generally?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:03:08 AM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Christ. I know you're just about the most miserable person on here, but do you really need to invent fictitious scenarios to make yourself feel even worse?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 19, 2022, 10:13:25 AM
I think Suarez would be a good signing, still a great player and would certainly raise the clubs profile - bit like when Chelsea signed an aging Ruud Gullit

Also happy with the link to Tarkowski, good player and no fee.

Not sure I would like us to pay £60m for Phillips, although he is a good player it seems a bit steep.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 10:27:04 AM
Philips is an excellent player.  He is used to the single DM role with a great range of passing.  Great at taking the ball under pressure and moving it on, it will give us another outball rather than relying on Mings down the left all the time.

Defensively his is quick and astute - picking up loose balls and making interceptions to snuff out attacks before they begin and strong against the counter attack which Leeds need to defend against a lot because of the way they play.  But also solid and strong in the tackle.  The only thing he lacks really is height which is something we could use.  But otherwise he seems tailor made for the way we play and a more progressive player than some of the other 'pure' DMs we've been linked with.

£60m?  I'd bite their hands off.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2022, 10:40:57 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 19, 2022, 10:51:12 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.

Indeed. Also, if he's such a good defensive midfielder, then I'm a bit surprised that Leeds are quite as bad defensively as they are. I mean, I know it's not all his fault, but you'd least expect a bit of solidity. There may be stats showing they're much better with him in the team I guess though, dunno. Lastly, I've only ever seen him play really for England, in the sorts of games where even Slabhead looks vaguely competent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: mrfuse on May 19, 2022, 10:55:49 AM
Doesn't he also seem to suffer from more long-term injuries than would be ideal?

Pretty sure he's been out for half a season at least two or three times and he's only 26.

I seem to remember Mings having injury issues before he came to us. I think Philips would be the perfect fit we might have to battle other clubs higher in the league but we do have the extra draw these days.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Randy Gurner on May 19, 2022, 01:00:09 PM
Philips is an excellent player.  He is used to the single DM role with a great range of passing.  Great at taking the ball under pressure and moving it on, it will give us another outball rather than relying on Mings down the left all the time.

Defensively his is quick and astute - picking up loose balls and making interceptions to snuff out attacks before they begin and strong against the counter attack which Leeds need to defend against a lot because of the way they play.  But also solid and strong in the tackle.  The only thing he lacks really is height which is something we could use.  But otherwise he seems tailor made for the way we play and a more progressive player than some of the other 'pure' DMs we've been linked with.

£60m?  I'd bite their hands off.

I agree. In a world where Jack The Rat went for £100M, Phillips (on a long contract with no release clause) is going to cost at least half that amount.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: eamonn on May 19, 2022, 01:38:17 PM
Percy reporting that plans were in place before the Konsa injury to bring in a central defender, and that  James Tarkowski (Burnley, out of contract in the summer) gas been discussed.

Think he will struggle badly, Michael Keane style, when he moves away from a team that sets up it's defensive line at the 18 yard box. Avoid.

I dunno, I'd have gone for 'snog'.

No.  Not with those ears.

Exactly. He's quite handsome but his FA Cup handles detract, maybe his uncle is Lineker.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 19, 2022, 01:40:54 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 01:44:45 PM
I'm not so sure, I actually don't think he's very good as a single DM, with his best performances for England being alongside Rice and his best performances for Leeds being with Dallas, Koch or Klich next to him.

I think he'd be pretty similar to Luiz for us if we tried to play him as our only DM for an entire season, in that it'd look like something was missing and we'd see too many attacks coming through the middle of our defence.

Add on our need for some height alongside his cost and, whilst he's a good player, it's a no from me unless it's alongside another player coming in who can pair with him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 02:40:52 PM
I'm not so sure, I actually don't think he's very good as a single DM, with his best performances for England being alongside Rice and his best performances for Leeds being with Dallas, Koch or Klich next to him.

I think he'd be pretty similar to Luiz for us if we tried to play him as our only DM for an entire season, in that it'd look like something was missing and we'd see too many attacks coming through the middle of our defence.

Add on our need for some height alongside his cost and, whilst he's a good player, it's a no from me unless it's alongside another player coming in who can pair with him.
Like a Douglas Luiz who can actually defend and take and pass the ball under pressure you mean?  Sounds ok to me.

I haven't looked at the stats so could be wrong, but I'd definitely say Leeds played more with a single DM from 19 to 21 than they did with a double pivot.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 02:54:44 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 19, 2022, 03:01:19 PM
I don't see what all the fuss is with Phillips, he's okay but nothing more than that.  We need an enforcer, and he's certainly not that.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Smithy on May 19, 2022, 05:09:46 PM
Phillips is a great player, and one of the top DMs in the league.  He's just surrounded by mediocrity, much like Grealish was in our first year back in the league.

If we are committed to playing a formation that requires a specialist DM, and he's available, I'd hope we'd be in for him.  But I suspect we'd be competing against sides offering European football, either here or abroad - the Euros did wonders for his profile on the continent.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 05:16:52 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.

Man City do need someone like him. Fernandinho and Gundogan are going in the summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: chrisw1 on May 19, 2022, 05:20:30 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 05:39:07 PM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

I think he's already said he would never sign for The Plastics. Liverpool will go for Bellingham, Man City don't need him (yes, I know), then you have the london lot; Chelsea, Arsenal and Spurs. I just can't see him wanting to live down there. Newcastle seem the most likely, he stays up north, close to home.

I'd love him at Villa Park. I wanted him the summer we got promoted and haven't changed my mind. He's a cracking player, a real humble lad, just the type we've desperately needed for years.

Man City do need someone like him. Fernandinho and Gundogan are going in the summer.

They've got Rodri though, who is a much better player tha  Philips.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 06:04:25 PM
Net loss of one...
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 19, 2022, 06:04:52 PM
And they're wankers who will try and sign everyone to weaken the rest.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: DrGonzo on May 19, 2022, 06:31:35 PM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Christ. I know you're just about the most miserable person on here, but do you really need to invent fictitious scenarios to make yourself feel even worse?

Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

I can't see it happening in all honesty, it would be short termism of the highest order.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 06:44:35 PM
There's nothing wrong with having a few short-term solutions in the squad given we're one of the youngest squads in the league and we have a bunch of very promising young players who will be wanting to step up over the next 2 years to become regulars in the squad.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 19, 2022, 06:49:15 PM
Saw a comment a few weeks ago from a Spanish football expert on Sky who said that "Suarez, cannot run more than 10 yards, although if you give him a chance in the penalty area to score he is still one of the best"

It will be interesting to see how he does for us next season, not sure either Watkins or Ings will be happy about not starting a game when Suarez is picked ahead of them.

Another happy start to the day Sid?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 19, 2022, 06:54:39 PM
It's a bit early to be talking as though it's a done deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2022, 07:20:28 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 19, 2022, 07:22:33 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 19, 2022, 07:24:39 PM
Shush.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 19, 2022, 07:28:39 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there

Grealish was amazing for us. Everything went through him and everything went to him. In an elite side a really great player bends the will of other great players to make them the first ball they look for. Foden's been doing that since he was a kid. Grealish has gone there as a willing and skilful backup player.

Edit: I was one probably one of the ones moaning about Grealish not getting a chance for England, although I might not have been because I care nothing for the England football team.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 19, 2022, 07:33:07 PM
This reminds me of when people on here used to say Rice was way over rated.  And going further back a poster once said Rooney wasn't fit to lace Stephan Moore's boots.

(yeah I know it's different Philips is 26 etc, but good to keep people humble)

And that Foden was only ahead of Grealish for England because he played for Man City. Now that they're in the same side it's obvious that Foden is streets ahead.

Not that I have an opinion on the merits of Phillips as a signing for us. It feels like he'll go higher up the food chain.
Im not sure that is 100% true - grealish for us at his best was amazing - hes not come even close to that since hes been there

Grealish was amazing for us. Everything went through him and everything went to him. In an elite side a really great player bends the will of other great players to make them the first ball they look for. Foden's been doing that since he was a kid. Grealish has gone there as a willing and skilful backup player.


Make no mistake about it brand Grealish made sure everything went through him.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 19, 2022, 08:02:13 PM
Lets not rewrite history here, Grealish was a better player than Foden at the time but in truth both of them should've been starting for England.

We also need to consider the reverse effect, for some people Villa players get 'marked down' by our fans a lot more than opposition players, just look at the comments in the last few months about McGinn and Watkins, when I talk to supporters of other clubs they can't understand why so many Villa fans would be happy for 1 or both to leave this summer.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 19, 2022, 10:00:47 PM
Tarkowski on a free is great business.  He is a natural scrapper and defender.  It's a yes from me but I suspect West Ham will nab him. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:03:23 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dante Lavelli on May 19, 2022, 10:20:10 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.

I fear it does have legs.  The comment from Gerrard that we are not far from announcing something suggests a free transfer is close. 
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2022, 10:30:40 PM
Sounds as if the Suarez rumour doesn't have any legs.

Good. We're not Liverpool's Dads Army.

I fear it does have legs.  The comment from Gerrard that we are not far from announcing something suggests a free transfer is close. 

Another trying to lower our expectations? He won't last long if that's the case.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: nigel on May 20, 2022, 07:16:07 AM
Phillips has had a dreadful season. Not the only English player post the Euros to struggle but form and fitness have been really poor. I watched some of their game v Man City recently and he was completely anonymous. Provided little or no cover to their defence either.

Obviously is a decent player, used to have great battles with Grealish in the championship and has done well with England at times. Man United have a glaring hole at CM so it's his most likely destination if Leeds go down.

Hasn’t he been quoted as saying he’d never go there in respect of Leeds massive rivalry with them?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 08:10:30 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2022, 08:14:17 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Beard82 on May 20, 2022, 08:29:25 AM
I am a little concerned by the Suarez rumours.  Mostly because I dont think he is the answer to what we need.  He would be a useful squad player and people will learn from him but I worry it will leave us over staffed in that area and maybe block the route through for some players - unless we cash in on Watkins

I dont think it will be a huge overhaul, as I dont think our squad is that bad - the DCM, maybe competition for Konsa, a CF and maybe some backup for a few position. 

Players like McGinn and Mings - I really struggle to think well find better players that are willing to come. 

My biggest concern is our struggle to break teams down and take our chances.  Defensively we're ok and will be better with a DCM.  But in the final third it feels more about getting us to work.  I find it strange that so much effort is put into trying to get Ings and Watkins working together, but not emi and PC - as for my money Emi & PC are much better players and if we could get them working together it could be amazing

I think for that to work we would need a top CF though - but to do that we would need to move on one of Ings or Watkins

To be honest if you look at the squads I would only say that out of our direct competition - its only Wolves and Leicester that I look at and say they have more than 1 or 2 players that I rate above ours

I would expect, given a pre-season and even without any more new signings that SG should be able to take what we have to 11 or above
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 08:34:12 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.

Ah, fair enough. We will see, I suppose.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 20, 2022, 08:38:36 AM
Defensive midfielder and a striker are key signings this summer. Everything else is secondary.

People saying that Mings isn't good enough need their heads looking at. He's been immense for us lately, and how many clangers has he dropped for England when he has decent protection in front of him? I think if Gerrard gets that midfield functioning, it could make us quite a formidably tight unit to play against.

Up front is another area. I like Watkins and Ings, but despite the effort being there, for some reason they just haven't been firing this season. Ollie last night was woeful.... Every touch pretty much bounced off him. Not sure what's happened to him compared to last season? Maybe he just needs a reset over the summer, but I think with players such as Coutinho and Buendia feeding our supply line, we need better quality up front to make the most of this.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on May 20, 2022, 08:48:13 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.

Ah, fair enough. We will see, I suppose.

Yep, still not sure I’d want him for £60m, based on this season’s form and injury record. That said, if rumours of a £25m relegation release clause are true, he’d be an absolute snip at that price.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 20, 2022, 08:52:22 AM
Didn't Alan Smith say that?

Yes but there is a difference. Smith wasn’t a Leeds fan as a kid (Liverpool fan I think) despite being a local lad. Phillips is from a family of staunch Leeds fans and knows he’d trash his legacy if he joined Man Utd.
My club, my city?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 20, 2022, 09:46:50 AM
Juventus linked with Pogba and Jorginho, I wonder if there was anything in the previous links to Weston McKennie and we’d be back in for him?
Is he more an 8 rather than the fabled DM?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LukeJames on May 20, 2022, 09:48:31 AM
Sign Pogba on a free, sell for £89m, sign Pogba on a free. Fucking hell.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 20, 2022, 09:56:49 AM
Sign Pogba on a free, sell for £89m, sign Pogba on a free. Fucking hell.

Nice work isn’t it?!!
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: sid1964 on May 20, 2022, 10:52:48 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: curiousorange on May 20, 2022, 10:57:15 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.

The only capacity in which I'd employ Bamford is as the receptionist in our player rehab facilities.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 11:01:31 AM
We should be nowhere near Bamford. He has half the all round game of Watkins, and has spent the entire season injured. Plus, and I can't overstate this point, he's a massive twat.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2022, 11:10:50 AM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Get the fuck outta here
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Matt C on May 20, 2022, 12:10:17 PM
If we can sign two, perhaps three players from the category above where we’ve been shopping it will be transformational.

Where the overhaul is needed is on the fringes now - we’ve got a bunch of players out on loan, some of whom I’d forgotten even existed, that need to be moved on plus those on the fringes of the first team who haven’t had a look in. Lots to do there.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 20, 2022, 12:16:04 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2022, 12:33:30 PM
Bamford? You must be joking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2022, 12:38:14 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.

Fuck that !
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2022, 12:41:31 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


I think i prefer the misery material.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Clark W Griswold on May 20, 2022, 12:43:47 PM
The most important thing is a new spine, 3 top level players. One CB that can play either side and leave Mings and Chambers to battle it out to play next to him. A defensive mid, leaving McGinn and Luiz to battle it out to play alongside (McGinn currently though) and Ramsey further forward and then a big strong quick centre forward that scores plenty and holds the ball up well, leaving Ings and Watkins to battle it out to play alongside.
Anything else is fine tuning really, in part depending on anyone leaving who clearly needs to be replaced.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: dave shelley on May 20, 2022, 12:52:49 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Can you please tick the box to prove you are not a robot?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Dr Butler on May 20, 2022, 01:01:32 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Can you please tick the box to prove you are not a robot?

LOL Dave...

UTV
The Doc
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 20, 2022, 01:34:50 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.

Tell us more....Bamford (Patrick) is about the same level as Watkins and a lot more injury prone. Leeds must have an issue with the conditioning of their players, some amount of injuries to key players.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: danno on May 20, 2022, 01:41:11 PM
Bamford? doubtful especially not after we sacked his dad Tim.

Tell us more....Bamford (Patrick) is about the same level as Watkins and a lot more injury prone. Leeds must have an issue with the conditioning of their players, some amount of injuries to key players.

Tim Sherwood. Bamford is his love child.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: richtheholtender on May 20, 2022, 06:43:11 PM
Didnt know where to put this so thought id drop it in tgus thread. Have anyone seen this £15 million clause in the deal for Joe? Surely that cant be legal knowing we play them on the final day? Also, is that an additional £15 Mill? Why would they add that if he's release clause was met if there's nothing corrupt about it? They essentially paid us £15 Mill to throw the game. If it was part of the deal, then we've basically give them a discount if they didn't win the league.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Richard E on May 20, 2022, 06:47:24 PM
It’s BS.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 20, 2022, 07:28:20 PM
Not in favour of multiple signings.

We need evolution, not revolution every year.

A first choice top class defensive mid and some stronger bench options replacing those departing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2022, 07:30:36 PM
Not in favour of multiple signings.

We need evolution, not revolution every year.

A first choice top class defensive mid and some stronger bench options replacing those departing.

So, multiple signings, then?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 20, 2022, 07:47:09 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Good idea, my car could do with a good wash.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 20, 2022, 07:51:46 PM
3 in and 5 out would be my guess

1 center back
1 defensive mid
1 striker

Bert
Anwar
Trez
Ings or Watkins
Sanson

I think will depart. Maybe Kenan Davis too but that might be a loan to buy somewhere.

I would be very happy with that unless something magical comes up and we take them as well.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ian. on May 20, 2022, 08:05:53 PM
If Bamford became available from Leeds we should be 1st club in the queue to sign him, they can have Ings in part exchange.


Bloody hell Sid, are you not already annoyed enough watching the Villa?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 20, 2022, 09:13:50 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 20, 2022, 10:00:33 PM
3 in and 5 out would be my guess

1 center back
1 defensive mid
1 striker

Bert
Anwar
Trez
Ings or Watkins
Sanson

I think will depart. Maybe Kenan Davis too but that might be a loan to buy somewhere.

I would be very happy with that unless something magical comes up and we take them as well.

It'll be a lot more than 5 out but a lot of them are players that we've mentally already said goodbye to (Guilbert, Kalinic, Hourihane, Wesley, Steer). I'm not convinced Bert will go though, I think we might give him and bailey another chance, but you can replace him with Targett who I think will stay at Newcastle. By the reports today I think Davis might well be given a chance with us, which i'm happy with.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 20, 2022, 10:23:07 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on May 20, 2022, 10:58:46 PM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do
To be or not to be - that is the question! (sorry I m drunk)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 01:40:22 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2022, 02:56:21 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?

If one is to go I suggest we cash in on Watkins whose value will only decrease next season. Let him miss sitters for somebody else. Ings won't mind coming off the bench and is a far more clinical finisher and better suits our (so called) system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 21, 2022, 05:43:56 AM
The reason I'm convinced one will go is that we desperately need a clinical finisher and neither of them are working out.
If we sign that finisher are both Watkins and ings going to be happy on the bench?

If one is to go I suggest we cash in on Watkins whose value will only decrease next season. Let him miss sitters for somebody else. Ings won't mind coming off the bench and is a far more clinical finisher and better suits our (so called) system.

Watkins is always Gerrards first choice though. Indicates to me it will be the other way round.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: LeonW on May 21, 2022, 07:19:15 AM
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2022, 08:50:14 AM
My ticklist;

Centre forward: must convert more chances, lookimg for a good first touch and be mobile. Tough find.

Defensive midfielder: physically imposing, have height, good acceleration, good distribution even if its simple balls.

Centre half: concentration and distribution to meet the physical side absolutely key.

Not too bothered with sales, as we have a squad now we will always get money for. But that injection of quality above what we have into the first team, down the spine, is vital. The epidural summer to alleviate past pain is now.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 21, 2022, 09:09:01 AM
Three players for me, incoming as a must.  Centre half, midfield enforcer and another midfielder with physicality and able to keep the ball.  Phillips and Bissouma types if you like.  I would also take Tarkowski. 

On another issue, Gerrard said something about bringing in someone he knows as captain.  Not sure who that is but I can see Milner coming back on a two year deal.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: john e on May 21, 2022, 10:59:44 AM
I don't think Ings or Watkins will go.
I do

I think one of them will go defo
Depends on who we get any offers for I suppose
I wouldn’t be that surprised if we started next season without both though unlikely
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: OCD on May 21, 2022, 01:28:32 PM
After what Gerrard said about Watkins recently I would be really surprised if we sold him.

He's talked about not needing lots of players in and just adding quality to the spine of the team.

I think he'll want 3 proven strikers because there are some games where playing 2 up front is a good option. That would mean keeping Ings and he would look pretty stupid if he let Ings go and started banging in goals for someone else. I think he'll wait until he thinks Archer is ready before moving Ings on.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 21, 2022, 02:12:11 PM
After what Gerrard said about Watkins recently I would be really surprised if we sold him.

He's talked about not needing lots of players in and just adding quality to the spine of the team.

I think he'll want 3 proven strikers because there are some games where playing 2 up front is a good option. That would mean keeping Ings and he would look pretty stupid if he let Ings go and started banging in goals for someone else. I think he'll wait until he thinks Archer is ready before moving Ings on.
I agree. If we're likely to be playing 2 up front as often as not, the squad can easily support 3 strikers plus a 4th choice player from the u23s. Don't think Ollie is likely to go, and selling Ings so soon after buying him would seem very odd, especially if he starts banging them in elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 04:45:21 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2022, 05:28:04 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 06:19:45 PM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Agreed with a massive BUT!!!

The best strikers in the world make their own chances and even when feeding off scraps score goals. I saw a stat a while back on xg vs goals scored and walking and ings scored highly and were shown to not be missing sitters. The problem with xg is its massively flawed as its raw data is taken from incudes absolute shitters like Ashley Barnes and talented but goal shy timo werner. Which skews the results.

Whilst Lukaku, Sara, Kane, Son, Mane, Jota, KDB & Ronaldo Bury half and even quarter chances that would show as a meer 0.2 or 0.1 on the XG scale players like Watlins (who I'm very fond of and in no way want to hound out the club) miss 1 on 1s with shocking regularity.
When was the last time you saw a villa player 1 on 1 and thought this is in and it actually went it?

We need that striker who scores half and quarter chances or can make there own. I really would love us to go for David this summer because he's quick! He will scare the living daylights out of defenders like Gabby used to and that pace will create chances either for himself or lay offs to the other strikers to score but David himself is wasteful but young enough to possibly coach the killer instinct into where as I fear Watkin is to old for that now.

As mentioned above Watkins stock is fairly high and we would get good money for him. Ings has virtually no resale value and will be happy to be a squad player its a coin flip for me but I would lean towards keeping Ollie and selling ings with a more clinical player or a young raw talent coming in to be moulded into the striker we have needed since Dwight f'd off to united.
Don't write off Bailey either he is a fantastic player and was rushed back for an injury early in the season which has lead to him suffering all season as a result. A solid pre season and he will be like the fabled new player.

My short list for striker supreme would be

David as a project
Ben Yedder as a stop gap for a few seasons
Lewandowski (dreaming)
Nkunku plays a little deeper as more of a 10 but has everything in his game to play virtually anywhere.
Tammy but he would cost to much
Finally angel correa from athletico.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 21, 2022, 06:41:46 PM
spot on, but do you have any realistic signings? :D
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 06:49:23 PM
Agree HT, we bought Ings to score the chances that he has regularly been spurning.
Watkins is not a natural finisher and his first touch, vision and passing is severely lacking.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 21, 2022, 06:54:53 PM
spot on, but do you have any realistic signings? :D

Some are very hopeful but David, correct and yedder would all come if the money was right I'm sure. What I dont want to see is 45 million on Calverton lewen or a player of that ilk
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2022, 07:58:22 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 21, 2022, 07:59:23 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Rudy Gestede with a bad taste in clothes.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: AV82EC on May 21, 2022, 08:55:05 PM
If we signed Calvert-Lewin, I think I would vomit up most of my digestive system.
Rudy Gestede with a bad taste in clothes.

I snorted and now have a nice Rose over my T shirt. Thanks…
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Big Ming on May 22, 2022, 07:02:02 AM
Chamber's has looked better and more reliable than Konsa on recent form.
May save us a shed load of money to spend on reinforcements elsewhere.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 22, 2022, 08:35:11 AM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Agreed with a massive BUT!!!

The best strikers in the world make their own chances and even when feeding off scraps score goals. I saw a stat a while back on xg vs goals scored and walking and ings scored highly and were shown to not be missing sitters. The problem with xg is its massively flawed as its raw data is taken from incudes absolute shitters like Ashley Barnes and talented but goal shy timo werner. Which skews the results.

Whilst Lukaku, Sara, Kane, Son, Mane, Jota, KDB & Ronaldo Bury half and even quarter chances that would show as a meer 0.2 or 0.1 on the XG scale players like Watlins (who I'm very fond of and in no way want to hound out the club) miss 1 on 1s with shocking regularity.
When was the last time you saw a villa player 1 on 1 and thought this is in and it actually went it?

We need that striker who scores half and quarter chances or can make there own. I really would love us to go for David this summer because he's quick! He will scare the living daylights out of defenders like Gabby used to and that pace will create chances either for himself or lay offs to the other strikers to score but David himself is wasteful but young enough to possibly coach the killer instinct into where as I fear Watkin is to old for that now.

As mentioned above Watkins stock is fairly high and we would get good money for him. Ings has virtually no resale value and will be happy to be a squad player its a coin flip for me but I would lean towards keeping Ollie and selling ings with a more clinical player or a young raw talent coming in to be moulded into the striker we have needed since Dwight f'd off to united.
Don't write off Bailey either he is a fantastic player and was rushed back for an injury early in the season which has lead to him suffering all season as a result. A solid pre season and he will be like the fabled new player.

My short list for striker supreme would be

David as a project
Ben Yedder as a stop gap for a few seasons
Lewandowski (dreaming)
Nkunku plays a little deeper as more of a 10 but has everything in his game to play virtually anywhere.
Tammy but he would cost to much
Finally angel correa from athletico.
I'm certainly no expert on xG, and don't really have skin in the game as it were, but I'd understood it as being a measure of the quality of chances created. So it's more a measure of how effective a team is as a creative (xG for) and defensive (xG against) force - so in the case you mentioned having a high xG for but not putting chances away suggests exactly what you've described, wasteful strikers. Having a low xG against, conversely, probably means your defensive midfielder & defenders are effective at limiting the chances the opposition create.

It just feels to me like it actually supports what your saying pretty well. Though it might be that I've not understood it properly too 😜
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 10:12:48 AM
Watkins and Ings have had an off season, yet Watkins still has double figures and Ings is doing well in the assists column. They will both do better next season.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 10:28:57 AM
our XG is a little over 1 per game. Probably a combination of a lot of 0.2 & 0.3 chances. We need to create better and clear cut chances. Ings has missed a few recently.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: brontebilly on May 22, 2022, 10:43:27 AM
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.

Two excellent players but will be looking for CL football surely.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on May 22, 2022, 11:04:33 AM
Watkins and Ings have had an off season, yet Watkins still has double figures and Ings is doing well in the assists column. They will both do better next season.

I'd agree with that, and think they will have competition signed anyway, plus Archer and Davis offering something different.

However I would still take a big offer for either of them.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 22, 2022, 11:21:00 AM
This season has proved that Ings and Watkins as our 2 main strikers are not up to it.
If we are serious about challenging for Europe then something has got to change.
I agree - but we do need to create more chances - some games they're feeding off scraps.

Nah they've missed too many this year.

Ollie with that one on one v Wolves is classic case. Get back to 2-1 earlier and we would've got something out of that game and perhaps still have a chance finishing above Wolves so it was a really bad miss.

Ings the next week v Spurs simply couldn't sort his feet out in the first half which has happened too often this season for someone who was a good finisher for Southampton. Even v Liverpool he missed a decent chance first half. Finished the offside goal well but I think he knew he was off so relaxed a bit.

In games v top half teams you're not going to create 4-5 good chances very often so simply have to take them as Spurs expertly did v us.

That's why they're top 6 certs even in mediocre seasons and we're way off that.

Hopefully Archer can get a few goals early in the cups and get off in the mark in the prem as he could be a nice surprise next season given some of the finishes he's had for Preston.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 12:05:30 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2022, 01:18:16 PM
Ings has missed a lot, that historically he'd be putting away with aplomb. I'm hopeful he'll get an injection of confidence next season. He's struggled to get going with niggling injuries and form, but has still created a few. He works very hard too. I like him a lot, but sentiment gets you nowhere. He's 30 soon and if a good offer gets us at least 80% of what we forked out, we'd be crazy not to take it, providing we're buying proven quality.

I think at this point, Watkins is absolutely key to how we (will) play. Unless it's silly money, I'd not be selling at all. He's hit 25 in two seasons, so we'd have to be asking at least 50. That's probably not even eye watering enough to consider.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 01:26:10 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 22, 2022, 01:28:21 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.
Personally, i’d like us to acquire Patrick Schick. He can play across the front line (including wide). Can hold the ball up. Has good link up play, decent in the air and is technically very good. Plus has a bit of magic.

Further back in midfield, Renato Sanches for his recovery pace, physicality and ball carrying.

Two excellent players but will be looking for CL football surely.
both off to Milan apparently
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 01:52:13 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.

You've made me geek out a little because I wanted to see how we fit within the league in attack. So lets present some really geeky stats for everyone (feel free to skip this):

50 goals (9th in the league)
460 shots (10th)
160 shots on target (9th)
34.78% shots on target (10th; league average - 34.11%)
31.25% goals from shots on target (12th; league average - 31.00%)
9.2 shots per goal (10th; league average - 9.82)

So our conversion of shots on target to goals is a bit poor but even still every single one of those suggests we should be higher up the table than we are. Even worse if you dig into almost every stat going you get the same picture of us being almost exactly on the league average, by pretty much every statistic we should be 10/11th in the league.

I don't really have a point with this but to say that I think we can consider ourselves pretty unlucky to not be higher up the league and that gives me cause for optimism that we can improve a fair bit without too many changes to the squad.

If I could be bothered I suspect digging deeper into the stats would show periods in the season where our stats are far better than above and periods where they're really poor (such as the stat that got me started on this silliness) which goes back to the accepted fact that our biggest problem is our inconsistency.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 01:54:49 PM
Some wag on Twitter says we are to announce a new signing, free transfer, very soon.  Some ITK shite.  Probably Olsen agreeing to stay with the club for a couple of years.

There's beena  lot of talk around that recently, I think it's coming from a comment by Gerrard the other day.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 02:08:16 PM
As I posted in another thread, against Liverpool, Spurs, Burnley and Palace (all at home), we had 63 shots. Now of course they weren't all guaranteed tap ins, but with that many shots we could and should have scored more than 3 goals.

It's also not hard to think of other games where if Ings and Watkins had scored goals they should have, we'd be futher up the table than we are. Ings not scoring a relative tap in against West Ham away and Watkins tamely dragging his shot wide against Wolves being two examples.

I hate using these stats, but we have scored 50 goals and our "expected goals" is only 42.88. So it suggests our finishing isn't as bad as is often made out. Admittedly that's not all strikers, but, even so. No club scores every chance. Except Tottenham when they play at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 22, 2022, 02:46:58 PM
My take from those stats is that to challenge top 6 we have got to improve strike rate, accuracy and conversion rate. I do not think you achieve that with the same set up, particularly in the forward line.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 22, 2022, 02:50:26 PM
Kamara might be coming to us: https://twitter.com/lmechegaray/status/1528371786546614273

https://twitter.com/FabrizioRomano/status/1528371831819972610
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Gareth on May 22, 2022, 02:50:33 PM
If you believe that Fabrizio fella Kamara is almost done
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 02:51:28 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:02:14 PM
Is he good?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Keeno on May 22, 2022, 03:08:17 PM
This would be more of a coup than getting Coutinho in January. Wow
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:09:59 PM
Is he good?

From what I've seen and his stats he's exactly what we need.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Aldridge Villa on May 22, 2022, 03:11:12 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Steve67 on May 22, 2022, 03:14:53 PM
Not going to get excited until I’ve seen him play in a Villa shirt and he’s brilliant 🤩
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:14:54 PM
Is he good?

From what I've seen and his stats he's exactly what we need.

Ta. Fingers crossed then.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 03:17:22 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.



Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: algy on May 22, 2022, 03:27:04 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.
By the law of averages one French bloke has to be good for us, surely?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Risso on May 22, 2022, 03:28:31 PM

460 shots per game (10th)


How exciting to watch are we?! ;)
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Goldenballs on May 22, 2022, 03:30:57 PM
57th in Ligue 1 for blocks, 59th for Tackles, 38th for interceptions.,6th for passes, 17th for pass competition. Make of that what you will.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: paul_e on May 22, 2022, 03:34:36 PM

460 shots per game (10th)


How exciting to watch are we?! ;)

Feck, I'd put per game and then decided it read better to give the total.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 03:35:12 PM
Please tell me Kamara isn’t French

He is. Been called to play for France. Willget his 1st cap soon.
By the law of averages one French bloke has to be good for us, surely?

Digne and Amavi. Also Berson was good but we got rid of him for some reason.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 03:47:59 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Axl Rose on May 22, 2022, 03:48:07 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

He's a lovely footballer. Tough, elegant, precise.

That would be a wonderful signing.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: VILLA MOLE on May 22, 2022, 03:56:22 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 03:58:29 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃

Money talks would be my only thought on that really. Even if Morgan is slating us money and the obvious desired trajectory of the club would be the deciding factor I would think
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2022, 04:23:33 PM
hopefully he doesn’t ask Morgan’s thoughts on the place 😃

He’ll tell him to avoid Birmingham. It’s cursed. Can’t move without getting injured.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 22, 2022, 04:26:39 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

Know nothing about him but happy to take the word of others that he's absolutely brilliant.

As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 04:38:35 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads

I've still got a grip on my seat. Should I have one hand on each?
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Astnor on May 22, 2022, 04:50:32 PM

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Boubacar Bernard Kamara (born 23 November 1999) is a French professional footballer who plays as a defensive midfielder for Aston Villa .[3] Mainly a defensive midfielder, he can also play as a centre-back.[3]
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2022, 04:52:31 PM
Romano reporting that a deal is close to being done for him

https://twitter.com/fabrizioromano/status/1528371831819972610?s=21&t=ExgpJp77suqa4RDyS6VoJA

Know nothing about him but happy to take the word of others that he's absolutely brilliant.

As an aside why are you playing golf today and not at the North American Lions get together?


Yeh…this was a Covid delayed golf trip in Arizona that I’m on. Fucked me off massively when I found it it clashed with the meet up.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 22, 2022, 04:52:37 PM
His first name is much more exciting than his middle name.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2022, 04:56:48 PM
His first name is much more exciting than his middle name.

I'm up for a Weekend at Bernie's.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Holy Trinity on May 22, 2022, 04:57:20 PM
Wow!!! This window is going to be biblical if the start of it is Boubacar and coutinho.

Hold on to your hats lads

I've still got a grip on my seat. Should I have one hand on each?

Perch on the edge of your seat, use the left hand to hold on to your hat and the right hand... haha
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Stu on May 22, 2022, 04:57:56 PM
Apparently this is all but done now. There’s an article on the signing in the athletic if anyone with a sub wants to copy and paste it here.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Scovilla on May 22, 2022, 04:58:20 PM
Romano.
Apparently kamara is a done deal. 5 year contract.
Hope it is true. It would massive. Not only the player but to confiance him to sign for us.
Title: Re: Summer 2022 Transfer Thread
Post by: Ger Regan on May 22, 2022, 05:02:05 PM
Fantastic statement of i