Brentford 2 v Aston Villa 1 Post Match Thread

[BC54 VFC]

Poor. Big calls for Gerrard to make coming up.

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Luiz
Hause
Traore

Not good enough if we aim to be a top half side.

Add Trez and el Ghazi to that list.

Absolutely. I was just going off the ones he deemed good enough to start today.

Quick question what is the issue with wanting El Ghazi gone? We aren't going to get to many who contribute what he does that are happy yo be a squad player. In fact, looking at some of the other signings Bailey, barkley, troare to name a few, we aren't going to get starters contributing his numbers (either through lack of form or injuries). He's a relatively fit lad, keeps professional and has contributed some important goals and/or assists.

Well said...and he was also our 2nd highest goalscorer in 2021.

[olaftab]

Their stadium looks crap by the way. Why would you build something that looks like a rubbish 1980s lower league ground?

Because that's where they are going to be in the near future?

[brontebilly]

I think it’s always hard to comment on coaches when in reality we see so little of what they do. Have to just trust that the manager feels they are contributing really.

We’ve also, off the top of my head, scored three goals and conceded none from set pieces in the last eight games so, from that very basic metric, it seems like he is making at least a reasonable contribution.

Luiz does my head in. He's got loads of talent, and of course he's still young, but he seems to have reached a plateau at the moment. He's not affecting games positively and just sorts of flits around, not doing anything much.

I was moaning about luiz during the game.
He has this knack of either getting in the way when we have the ball, or being in position to win the ball but not actually succeeding.
When he is on form he is great and he looks the real deal, the problem is that he isn’t on form very often.
And I don’t think his age is a consideration. He’s been playing first team football for years. He is extremely experienced and should be approaching his peak years now.

The fact that Nakamba has improved massively under Gerrard, while Luiz hasn't is very telling

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

[Bad English]

Their stadium looks crap by the way. Why would you build something that looks like a rubbish 1980s lower league ground?

Because that's where they are going to be in the near future?

Lovely tap-in. Why can't our players do the same?

[martin o`who??]

Their stadium looks crap by the way. Why would you build something that looks like a rubbish 1980s lower league ground?

To be fair to them they're not going to have some mega-stadium - build to their means.

[Mister E]

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

Luiz has had a reasonable season. Yesterday, he was poor - gave the ball away too often for a player of his quality, and he lacked energy.

[Beard82]

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

Luiz has had a reasonable season. Yesterday, he was poor - gave the ball away too often for a player of his quality, and he lacked energy.

Must be tired from all that kissing on social media.  Both fine specimens - but no one needs to see that

[Martyn Smith]

Hause's has to be a contender for worst performance of the season. Whether he is just rusty or simply not good enough at this level is not entirely clear. One thing I'm sure of though is that he only played the full 90 because of a lack of replacement alternative on the bench.

[darren woolley]

I know we were all disappointed with the game but Dougie storming off down the tunnel without coming over to clap the fans at the end I thought he could have acknowledged us.

[ChicagoLion]

I know we were all disappointed with the game but Dougie storming off down the tunnel without coming over to clap the fans at the end I thought he could have acknowledged us.

That's not good. He had the look of someone going through the motions.

[eamonn]

If true, he can bog-off to a middling Serie A side.

[Risso]

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

Luiz has had a reasonable season. Yesterday, he was poor - gave the ball away too often for a player of his quality, and he lacked energy.

I think 'reasonable' is right. Which isn't really good enough. He's been one of the mainstays of our midfield for three seasons now, and I just don't see much progression from him.

[ChicagoLion]

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

Luiz has had a reasonable season. Yesterday, he was poor - gave the ball away too often for a player of his quality, and he lacked energy.

I think 'reasonable' is right. Which isn't really good enough. He's been one of the mainstays of our midfield for three seasons now, and I just don't see much progression from him.

He had that period in lockdown when he looked like a top top player, before or after he has looked ordinary most of the time.

[Beard82]

I know we were all disappointed with the game but Dougie storming off down the tunnel without coming over to clap the fans at the end I thought he could have acknowledged us.

That's not good. He had the look of someone going through the motions.

I wonder if the weried deal we did for him is how he sees us too - i.e. a stepping a stone.

Strange player - can look amazing, but agree with posters - he hasnt progressed as much as we hoped he would.

[AV82EC]

Luiz is having a decent season I think. Certainly far better than last season and was decent enough yesterday. But in the 6 role he still makes far too many mistakes for me and never senses danger quick enough like a top holding midfielder should. Nakamba in comparison tends to read the game a bit better but is still an utter liability with the ball.

Luiz has had a reasonable season. Yesterday, he was poor - gave the ball away too often for a player of his quality, and he lacked energy.

I think 'reasonable' is right. Which isn't really good enough. He's been one of the mainstays of our midfield for three seasons now, and I just don't see much progression from him.

I think this is fair comment as I just don’t think he’s improved at all. On his day some of his movement, passing and control of a games tempo is quite superb but he throws in a few performances like Sundays where he’s just not on it. To be fair to him he has been converted to a 6 role by Smith as prior to joining I got the impression he tended to play further forwards and he just doesn’t enjoy the 6 role as it frustrates his more natural game.