Next Manager Speculation and wishful thinking thread

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Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier

Answered your own question there.

[Scott Nielsen]

I suppose Rafa isn't pulling up any trees at Everton, nor did Ancelotti and Koeman. That's some big names. Mourinho has pretty much failed everywhere since he made his name, the much fabled Bielsa isn't making Leeds much better than last season.

Whoever we get is no guarantee.

I think this is a great point, Ian. It's a gamble really and quite impossible to predict the outcome with anything like certainty - young or old, experienced or not.

[The Edge]

I don't get this concern over Villa being used as a stepping stone.
Anyone, player or manager will attract interest if they perform well as has always been the case so why worry?
Whoever takes over and is hopefully successful will get noticed by the next level of team. Its the way its always been.

Exactly! Gerrard would have to make us into a top 6 club for Liverpool to be interested in him. And if he did do that and left, we’d be able to attract an elite manager as Spurs have done.

Appointing a scouser to manage Villa would just be a hard pill to swallow. But that’s a personal issue.

The bigger issue for me is why Gerrard the manager? He is an untested quantity at the PL level, he has limited experience as a manager full stop, he has not yet shown he can handle the pressure commensurate with a club like Villa - basically it would be another Lambert like appointment (he had done well at Norwich etc) and IMO would be a disaster. Rangers are a big club in a tin pot league - success there at best is akin to success in the Championship.

I just don’t get the appeal.

Surely to god, we have higher ambition.

Dean Smith had never managed in the Premier league, never had the pressure of managing a big club, but virtually everyone welcomed him with open arms. Was it because he was a Villa fan? Dean had never got a team promoted and his highest finish was 11th. That appointment turned out ok. I am not saying that I want SG as manager / head coach, but some of the things I read are strange considering we took a gamble on (at the time) a mid championship manager.

True enough but the circumstances are completely different. We were asking Dean to stabilise the club in the championship. He did that and much more. He earned the right to manage his boyhood club in the PL and for my money came damn close to making us the club that the owners had stated they would make us when he had us within touching distance of the very top albeit fleetingly. There's just no comparison in bringing in Gerrard. He has not earned the right to manage one of Englands major clubs. And I can't agree with others who are comfortable with him using us as a stepping stone to Anfield. I can't accept that for one moment. Dean's dream was to take his club Aston Villa to greatness then probably retire upstairs to enjoy watching us win things.

[RichardBatchelor]

Why do we always tend to go British? In the last 20 years i believe the only non brits we had were RDM, garde and houllier

And Venglos before that, but three of them were dreadful and one mediocre, sadly. It does seem to be a bit of a curse.

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There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

[Brazilian Villain]

Maybe, but I am not sure this place is representative of all fans.

Not just here, almost everywhere you look the concensus is that he's a bad choice, for a number of reasons.

He was the top choice on a Twitter poll conducted by the local rag.

Mustn't have been manipulated like the one on here.

Stevie G wouldn't have been my first (or last) choice but if he's the board's then get him in. Really don't want to go down a list of managers turning us down and become a laughing stock like Spurs did in the summer. Like Nuno it would fatally undermine the person who eventually comes in.

[caster troy]

Maybe I'm misreading the app but has someone put £500 on Ralf Rangnick on Betfair Exchange? Hopefully someone with inside info!

[Rigadon]

Maybe they should appoint 3 managers to replace Dean?   

[Risso]

There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.

[simboy]

There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.

I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?

[chrisw1]

If the shortlist is truly:

Gerrard
Martinez
Kasper Hjulmand
Hasenhuttl

Then we should be sacking whichever fucker came up with it.

[AV82EC]

There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

I’d add though that you can minimise the risk, not completely, by looking at data and past performance to give some clues. That said the fit with our culture as a club is very important and one area where they’ll miss Dean as he’s been a big driver in that for the last few years.

[andyh]

There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.

I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?

Are you only talking about the 11 games this season, and not the ones missed from previous years ?

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There's no alchemy to management. Right place, right face, right time is as good as it gets.

Moyes is a busted flush after the Man United experience, struggles with Sunderland, toils with West Ham first time, flops abroad. And now looks like Moyes of Everton vintage again. How?

Mourinho, one of the greats. Does well at Chelsea for a 2nd time, reasonably well at Man United, flops badly at Spurs.

As has been pointed out, you think you lessen your chances of risk by getting what appears to be the best quality. But unless you're picking managers off the very, very top shelf, how do you guarantee it?

I don't know if Gerrard will be any good. He has some qualities and he has some doubts. I could care less about Liverpool or what people think somebody else did 10 years ago and how thats in anyway relevant. He's a gamble, a big one. But to be honest, I've not come across a name who isn't.

They key to it is mostly the strength of the owners at any club, and doing well/being lucky with transfers. I strongly suspect that without Soucek and Rice, Moyes and West Ham would be on a par with us in terms of style of play and results. We lost Grealish, and Smith just couldn't handle not having him.

I suspect Moyes would be given longer than 11 games to prove he could cope without Rice though?

Smith had 40 games without Grealish and we won 9 of them.

[mr woo]

Suspected it would be Gerrard once the the news of Dean going had broken.

Smacks of a 'jobs for the boys' decision from a CEO to one of his mates rather than the right one,  and I'd be reasonably confident it won't work.

Another wasted opportunity to push on if it happens..