FFP

[Sexual Ealing]

City were charged in February 2023 with over 100 offences relating to their spending, which date back to 2009 and include allegations of hidden payments and non-co-operation. It is thought unlikely there will be a resolution until the end of the 2024-25 season.

From the BBC.

I won't hold my breadth but I want the book thrown at Man City in particular. Our fortunes were negatively impacted by what changed at that club in 2009.

I held my breadth once. I was told to vacate the pool I was in and to return to the adults' swimming zone. Lost the deposit on my locker and all sorts.

[Brazilian Villain]

Which pub is that?

Feed The Yak.

Sounds like it should be an Everton pub.

[gpbarr]

Some of the argument's that Forest and Everton have come up with are nonsense.

I’ve seen Evertons arguments and they are tenuous to say the least. They knew their situation but didn’t sell player/s to rectify it, when they had the chance.

Isn't Forest's argument that they were always going to sell Brennan Johnson to balance the books in the window just gone, but that selling him by 30 June would have meant a lower transfer fee due to it being a panic sale?  I mean, I have some sympathy with them if that's the case, but only because it made that twat at Spurs pay more than he wanted to - but the 30th June deadline is there for a reason.  If you spend heavily and everyone knows you need to sell a homegrown player by the 30th June, I don't think you should be allowed to simply ignore that deadline just because you think you can get a bit more money a month or two later. 

I suspect that argument is being used not to reverse the FFP decision, but to try and make sure it a fine, rather than points deduction.  10 points off Forest would leave them in proper trouble.  They might be happier paying a big fine, maybe even equal to the difference between what they got for Johnson vs what they would have got selling him on 30th June.

i think all clubs outside the so called Big 6 should see the alarm bells ringing here. The FFP rules as they stand are weighed hugely in favor those at the top with big revenue streams - its rather interesting that we have now seen Everton, Forest, and Everton again charged yet, gone 'crickets' re City. I take no pleasure seeing proud clubs charged ans fined in this way while Chelsea (a great example) get away with it. Everyone should be looking over their shulder and I suspect (though absoliteluy no evidence) its why we are not seeing much activity in the January market outside those same top 6 

[Brazilian Villain]

For all Purslow's faults, he managed to keep the FFP inspectors happy - as he was involved in writing most of the rules!

Christian in happier times (er, yesterday) with Villa fans in Elephant & Castle:

He's one of our own, he's one of our owwnnn,
Christian Purslow, he's one of our own!

[Somniloquism]

i think all clubs outside the so called Big 6 should see the alarm bells ringing here. The FFP rules as they stand are weighed hugely in favor those at the top with big revenue streams - its rather interesting that we have now seen Everton, Forest, and Everton again charged yet, gone 'crickets' re City. I take no pleasure seeing proud clubs charged ans fined in this way while Chelsea (a great example) get away with it. Everyone should be looking over their shulder and I suspect (though absoliteluy no evidence) its why we are not seeing much activity in the January market outside those same top 6 

There are the charges made in public, the hearings are heard behind closed doors and then we have the findings of the hearings published. I doubt any other club has been charged as many times as Citeh and the nature of the charges means they all need to be judged on before a punishment can be dealt.

On an individual level, Toney was an example of this. Charged in November with 232 charges of betting. He challenged some of these and accepted others. As the amount of charges proven would affect the punishment (and especially as the ones he challenged were the more controversial ones involving his own teams at the time), the whole lot had to be judged on before he finally got a ban and that took five months with no specific lawyers involved really obfuscating the evidence. It also took longer as during the process, more betting proof was also found which laid more charges.

I would love for the FA to give individual smaller punishments as charges are found proven, but then Citeh might appeal that the release of this publically could affect other panels decisions. I believe Toney argued that when some details were leaked by the press that he admitted some charges.

Edit: Also remember Chelsea did have a transfer ban or two during the last couple of years with Abramovich so that almost reset the FFP. But they were also one of the first teams to do get loads of youngsters in and sell for FFP profit, or loan them out to reduce FFP wages, or offer 8 year contracts to reduce the FFP over the three year period. (I believe UEFA stopped that but the PL voted to allow to continue or vice versa).

[exiled on the wirral!]

For all Purslow's faults, he managed to keep the FFP inspectors happy - as he was involved in writing most of the rules!

Christian in happier times (er, yesterday) with Villa fans in Elephant & Castle:

He's one of our own, he's one of our owwnnn,
Christian Purslow, he's one of our own!

Despite the fact he is a Liverpool fan..

[LeeB]

Our boy's jeans have seen better days, for sure.

[Brazilian Villain]

Our boy's jeans have seen better days, for sure.

Is he the fella wearing Keith Weller tights under his jeans?

[VillaTim]

is Purslow having some sort of late mid-life crisis

[eamonn]

is Purslow having some sort of late mid-life crisis

I think he just likes dogs and the Villa. He must be bored.

[KevinGage]

Which pub is that?

Feed The Yak. Pretty sure it's on one of the new/gentrified streets near the train station. I was there for the Newcastle game on the opening day of the season.

Villa Lions used to meet in a smaller shack nearby, I remember going mental there when Lansbury (?!) scored an equaliser at Elland Road a few years ago when we were in the Ch'shit.

There used to be a whole Box Park-style set up there when I would go circa 2018. Seen the Scottish Cafu bag his first solo goal of the season against Hull and the place went nuts.

[Percy McCarthy]

I think it is Ludacris to let Chelsea and Man City buy the success they have bought in the past 20 years and then throw the book at clubs Like Forest and Everton

Yeah, they should tell Forest & Everton to move, bitch, get out the way, and then throw the book at Chelsea and Man Cheaty.

[Percy McCarthy]

Which pub is that?

Feed The Yak. Pretty sure it's on one of the new/gentrified streets near the train station. I was there for the Newcastle game on the opening day of the season.

Villa Lions used to meet in a smaller shack nearby, I remember going mental there when Lansbury (?!) scored an equaliser at Elland Road a few years ago when we were in the Ch'shit.

I was in the wrong Irish pub in town trying to meet Percy when that happened, which is now immortalised in his book.

I remember it well.

[Risso]

i think all clubs outside the so called Big 6 should see the alarm bells ringing here. The FFP rules as they stand are weighed hugely in favor those at the top with big revenue streams - its rather interesting that we have now seen Everton, Forest, and Everton again charged yet, gone 'crickets' re City. I take no pleasure seeing proud clubs charged ans fined in this way while Chelsea (a great example) get away with it. Everyone should be looking over their shulder and I suspect (though absoliteluy no evidence) its why we are not seeing much activity in the January market outside those same top 6 

There are the charges made in public, the hearings are heard behind closed doors and then we have the findings of the hearings published. I doubt any other club has been charged as many times as Citeh and the nature of the charges means they all need to be judged on before a punishment can be dealt.

On an individual level, Toney was an example of this. Charged in November with 232 charges of betting. He challenged some of these and accepted others. As the amount of charges proven would affect the punishment (and especially as the ones he challenged were the more controversial ones involving his own teams at the time), the whole lot had to be judged on before he finally got a ban and that took five months with no specific lawyers involved really obfuscating the evidence. It also took longer as during the process, more betting proof was also found which laid more charges.

I would love for the FA to give individual smaller punishments as charges are found proven, but then Citeh might appeal that the release of this publically could affect other panels decisions. I believe Toney argued that when some details were leaked by the press that he admitted some charges.

Edit: Also remember Chelsea did have a transfer ban or two during the last couple of years with Abramovich so that almost reset the FFP. But they were also one of the first teams to do get loads of youngsters in and sell for FFP profit, or loan them out to reduce FFP wages, or offer 8 year contracts to reduce the FFP over the three year period. (I believe UEFA stopped that but the PL voted to allow to continue or vice versa).

The thing is though, most of the stuff is out there in the public domain. I mentioned before the Mancini contracts. One with Man City, an identical one with a UAE company for something like Ł4m for 4 days 'consultancy work'. They're guilty, and there's plenty of evidence. Find them guilty, relegate them to League 2, ban them from signing players for three years then let them appeal if they want to.

[chrisw1]

Exactly Risso.  A points deduction won't hurt them.  A relegation would only be a blip.  They are in their privileged position due to serial cheating over 10 years, the punishment must have teeth.