FFP

[Somniloquism]

The thing is though, most of the stuff is out there in the public domain. I mentioned before the Mancini contracts. One with Man City, an identical one with a UAE company for something like £4m for 4 days 'consultancy work'. They're guilty, and there's plenty of evidence. Find them guilty, relegate them to League 2, ban them from signing players for three years then let them appeal if they want to.

Until the PL change their rulings to allow any claim to be automatically guilty and banned and then appealed, I doubt that would happen. I'm just happy to let the process pay out and then bitch at the end of it. Bitching in the middle is silly when nothing is going to change.

[Smithy]

The thing is though, most of the stuff is out there in the public domain. I mentioned before the Mancini contracts. One with Man City, an identical one with a UAE company for something like £4m for 4 days 'consultancy work'. They're guilty, and there's plenty of evidence. Find them guilty, relegate them to League 2, ban them from signing players for three years then let them appeal if they want to.

Until the PL change their rulings to allow any claim to be automatically guilty and banned and then appealed, I doubt that would happen. I'm just happy to let the process pay out and then bitch at the end of it. Bitching in the middle is silly when nothing is going to change.

I actually don't mind clubs being able to appeal if they genuinely think they have a case to defend, but make it like red cards.  You can accept the punishment, or you can appeal.  BUT - if you appeal and lose, you're going to get an additional punishment.  So you can drag it out if you want to, but do it knowing that the consequences will be very real indeed.

[Rigadon]

If this were just a football thing they'd have been done years ago.  There must be a political edge to it and / or a reason why the premier league wants to tread carefully with Man City ahead of 'super' league rearing its ugly head again. 

It could end up with 2 or the 3 teams relegated being able to appeal after the season has ended.  Total mess. While the biggest culprits and beneficiaries (how many titles now?) swagger about for a mother season or 2. 

[Vegas]

This is “falling out of love with football” territory for me.

Seeing Everton and Forest punished for trying to compete, and seeing us and Newcastle making £8m bids while Chelsea in mid table wave around £100m transfer fees, just illustrates how mis-titled FFP is. It’s anything but fair.

And then when a big spender does fall foul, there’s an interminable legal process and allegedly government discussions with their state owner.

[aj2k77]

VAR and FFP are slowly pulling on my love and enjoyment of the game as well. Matches turning in to rules offs poured over with a fine tooth comb by utter jobsworths in a darkened room dressed in full kits like John Terry looking to flaunt their knowledge of the rule book upon game after game. Accountants flexing their muscles to find the best ways of circumventing the current laws that no one has thought of yet.

It's boring to me. Incredibly boring. Every goal seems checked upon and a delay. It's not for me.

[sid1964]

i totally agree with the statements above from Vegas and aj2k77

[PaulWinch again]

This is “falling out of love with football” territory for me.

Seeing Everton and Forest punished for trying to compete, and seeing us and Newcastle making £8m bids while Chelsea in mid table wave around £100m transfer fees, just illustrates how mis-titled FFP is. It’s anything but fair.

And then when a big spender does fall foul, there’s an interminable legal process and allegedly government discussions with their state owner.

I’m still not convinced Chelsea are quite as clever as they think they are, even if they’ve had some academy players to sell. These FFP sanctions would have been an accounting period prior to most of their big signings wouldn’t they? Could well be wrong there.

[Ads]

Chelsea aren't getting Champions League football anytime soon and these daft deals will tighten the noose on future spend. Add in a severe punishment and hopefully that's the last we see of these despicable ******.

[Monty]

Yeah if I were Chelsea's top brass I'd start to absolutely brick it if next season the CL remains just as far out of reach.

[ian c.]

Chelsea aren't getting Champions League football anytime soon and these daft deals will tighten the noose on future spend. Add in a severe punishment and hopefully that's the last we see of these despicable ******.

What happened with the 1.5B in loans that Abramovich wrote off?   

[Rigadon]

I think it all raises the likelihood of a breakaway league to be honest.  These clubs will be using that threat as a means to minimise their risk

[Ads]

I think it all raises the likelihood of a breakaway league to be honest.  These clubs will be using that threat as a means to minimise their risk

If you're Liverpool or Man United, fat on the tourist dollar, seeing a Chelsea or a Man City (preferably both) punished so hard they are effectively wiped out for the foreseeable, then why would you do anything to assist?

[Rigadon]

I think it all raises the likelihood of a breakaway league to be honest.  These clubs will be using that threat as a means to minimise their risk

If you're Liverpool or Man United, fat on the tourist dollar, seeing a Chelsea or a Man City (preferably both) punished so hard they are effectively wiped out for the foreseeable, then why would you do anything to assist?

Not being left behind in a massive £ spinner maybe?  But I take your point. 

[ROBBO]

A breakaway european league would fall flat on its face, apart from Man City supporters who else in the UK is going to subscribe to watch it. Fact is it might make the premiership even stronger having a more level playing field.

[Somniloquism]

Don't forget Chelsea still have the 8 year contracts to fall back on as I believe the rule change was only voted through in December and only affects new or extended contracts. So up until the summer, the players essentially cost half as much for FFP purposes compared to the standard 4 year contract. (I'm sure financially it isn't that simple and I'm just taking Amortising something over 8 years instead of 4 meaning costs are smaller for FFP).