Villa Park Redevelopment

[London Villan]

The challenge the club have is where to host the GA+ fans if they are converting hundreds of seats.

Part of the plans with the North Stand was to extend the hospitality spaces in the Trinity to host bars/restaurants of the new GA+ seats - but with that being shelved where will they put 200-300 fans to give them their premium experience? Tents in the car park?

[VillaTim]

The challenge the club have is where to host the GA+ fans if they are converting hundreds of seats.

Part of the plans with the North Stand was to extend the hospitality spaces in the Trinity to host bars/restaurants of the new GA+ seats - but with that being shelved where will they put 200-300 fans to give them their premium experience? Tents in the car park?

they could convert the old Stumps building into another Lower Grounds type place i suppose or what about those offices etc above the ticket office what happens up there

[Chico Hamilton III]

I genuinely don’t think they understand their target audience if they think these overpriced packages are what regular match goers want and can afford…or may be that’s the whole point (ie targetting day trippers rather than regular match going Villa fans).

Redscouse and Tootinham have loads of daytrippers, build a bigger stadium and target both....priority to 'regular' fans

They are not all day trippers either - some are fans that are fine paying extra.

Only last month Klopp was telling Liverpool fans to make a noise or give their ticket away to someone who will. And he was right - for once

[pauliewalnuts]

they could convert the old Stumps building into another Lower Grounds type place i suppose 

That's the new Villa Live.

[chrisw1]

I wonder if they will target the upper Trinity front few rows, those that sit up there close to the halfway line might lose their seats in the next couple of seasons, I am one of those and I said to my Wife that if they take our seats off us, that will be when we stop having a season ticket.

I used to always go on the Holte and Holte Upper when they built the new stand, season ticket holder since late 70's, but my eyes are too old to see the other end of the pitch these days, so I really need to be close to half way line to be able to see both ends clearly, even if I do have an absolute nuicance sitting next to me (not my Wife, the guy the other side) I pay a high price for that privlage and view but will not pay corporate prices to sit in the same seat/ area.

I am 64 this year and fear my match attending years are coming to a close pretty soon.

This is exactly where I’m at…I may even be that nuisance sitting next to you in Upper Trinity! I fully expect our blocks to be taken over for corporate/GA+ in the next couple of years, it’s inevitable.  My eyesight is also poor - sitting behind the goal isn’t an option - so I’ll probably be throwing the towel in when it happens.

The view is actually better in the Witton as you are closer to the pitch, if you can live with the lack of facilities.

[chrisw1]

they could convert the old Stumps building into another Lower Grounds type place i suppose 

That's the new Villa Live.

Makes you think that this is unlikely to be a free facility for all fans when they seem to be so short of hospitality space within the ground.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I wonder if they will target the upper Trinity front few rows, those that sit up there close to the halfway line might lose their seats in the next couple of seasons, I am one of those and I said to my Wife that if they take our seats off us, that will be when we stop having a season ticket.

I used to always go on the Holte and Holte Upper when they built the new stand, season ticket holder since late 70's, but my eyes are too old to see the other end of the pitch these days, so I really need to be close to half way line to be able to see both ends clearly, even if I do have an absolute nuicance sitting next to me (not my Wife, the guy the other side) I pay a high price for that privlage and view but will not pay corporate prices to sit in the same seat/ area.

I am 64 this year and fear my match attending years are coming to a close pretty soon.

This is exactly where I’m at…I may even be that nuisance sitting next to you in Upper Trinity! I fully expect our blocks to be taken over for corporate/GA+ in the next couple of years, it’s inevitable.  My eyesight is also poor - sitting behind the goal isn’t an option - so I’ll probably be throwing the towel in when it happens.

The view is actually better in the Witton as you are closer to the pitch, if you can live with the lack of facilities.

I'm on the back row of the Trinity Middle, just in front of the Hospitality boxes, so in my usual doom-laden mind see it as THE perfect place for them to kick out 3 or 4 rows of us and install another row of boxes.
They'll probably rehouse us in Trinity Upper and charge us extra for the privilege!
I'm just waiting for the letter.

[Mister E]

All fine while we are doing well on the pitch but we all know if results start falling away the numbers will start dropping , that's what's happened historically anyway .

If we don't generate more commercial and matchday income, we will see results slipping away because the better-funded clubs will be able to afford the players that we can't (because of FFP). It's a vicious cycle and at the moment we are not equipped to compete at the top level because the pricing and ground-capacity are out of whack.

[VillaTim]

All fine while we are doing well on the pitch but we all know if results start falling away the numbers will start dropping , that's what's happened historically anyway .

If we don't generate more commercial and matchday income, we will see results slipping away because the better-funded clubs will be able to afford the players that we can't (because of FFP). It's a vicious cycle and at the moment we are not equipped to compete at the top level because the pricing and ground-capacity are out of whack.

the big extra revenue opportunities must be largely generated from big commercial sponsorship deals , not putting ticket prices up, that will only get you so far.
How are Spurs turnover x3 ours ?? cant be gate receipts driving this ?
Heck needs to get better sponsorship deals largely and if we get into the Champs League that will help massively

[London Villan]

they could convert the old Stumps building into another Lower Grounds type place i suppose 

That's the new Villa Live.

Makes you think that this is unlikely to be a free facility for all fans when they seem to be so short of hospitality space within the ground.

No way on earth would this have ever been free - think at least £50 per match.

[Chris Harte]

How are Spurs turnover x3 ours ?? cant be gate receipts driving this ?

I can't find the figures now, but weren't they a couple of years old?

My season ticket has jumped over 40% over the last two years.

[Mister E]

All fine while we are doing well on the pitch but we all know if results start falling away the numbers will start dropping , that's what's happened historically anyway .

If we don't generate more commercial and matchday income, we will see results slipping away because the better-funded clubs will be able to afford the players that we can't (because of FFP). It's a vicious cycle and at the moment we are not equipped to compete at the top level because the pricing and ground-capacity are out of whack.

the big extra revenue opportunities must be largely generated from big commercial sponsorship deals , not putting ticket prices up, that will only get you so far.
How are Spurs turnover x3 ours ?? cant be gate receipts driving this ?
Heck needs to get better sponsorship deals largely and if we get into the Champs League that will help massively

I agree that ticket prices are only a short-term / small-opportunity move. Spurrrrrrrs have over a third more capacity in the stadium; their ticket prices will be higher than ours; their match-day commercial operation is slick-as-shit (in-ground catering is very smart; their store has 15 tills serving a steady and high demand). I do not know much about the commercial / sponsorship deals but Levy - as we know - is a wily old fox and I'm willing to bet their non-match commercial activities knock ours into a cocked hat.

[London Villan]

All fine while we are doing well on the pitch but we all know if results start falling away the numbers will start dropping , that's what's happened historically anyway .

If we don't generate more commercial and matchday income, we will see results slipping away because the better-funded clubs will be able to afford the players that we can't (because of FFP). It's a vicious cycle and at the moment we are not equipped to compete at the top level because the pricing and ground-capacity are out of whack.

the big extra revenue opportunities must be largely generated from big commercial sponsorship deals , not putting ticket prices up, that will only get you so far.
How are Spurs turnover x3 ours ?? cant be gate receipts driving this ?
Heck needs to get better sponsorship deals largely and if we get into the Champs League that will help massively

20,000 additional seats
General admission tickets - cheapest is £52 at Spurs up to £98.
Premiums seats/boxes - Spurs have over 10,000 ( we have approx 2500)

Easy to see where we fall short.

[artvandelay]

Spurs turnover compared to ours
-Higher capacity
-Much more expensive tickets- prices range for category 'B' game is £48-95 as opposed to our £40.50 to 68.50
-Much slicker catering operation, including being open after the game for a few hours. There's no issue getting a beer or a pie or a gourmet vegan treat
-Being in Europe has simply meant more games played at the stadium, this will obviously help bridge the gap this season
-Hosting the NFL twice a year is a massive revenue generator
-Much better concert provision- 5 nights of Beyonce and then Red Hot Chili Peppers this year, that's 6 nights of revenue.
-Hosting other events, there's been a few rugby games played there if I recall

You can see how it all adds up

[PeterWithesShin]

Their sponsorship deals will also dwarf ours. Which tends to happen when one club spends most of the 10+ years in and around the top of the league and the CL while the other has spent most same period being shit.