Villa Park Redevelopment

[pauliewalnuts]

So far Heck is like Ellis and Tom Fox rolled into one insufferable bullshitter

I can tolerate hearing the rough decisions, but just want people to be honest with me. Americans full of shit as usual and treat us like we're stupid.

I don't think it is fair to label it as American, but they definitely do think we're stupid. That's at least the impression I get from their comms.

Also, spot on about the honesty. The thing about the badge fiasco isn't that they decided to change their minds, it's that they wrapped it up in so much utter bullshit.

Just come out and say "we realise we may have got it wrong, so are reconsidering it", don't give us that transparent baloney about 'judging market reaction to the new badge' etc etc etc.

[PeterWithesShin]

I hope you're proud of yourself Mr Heck. You've RUINED Christmas for millions of young Villa fans around the world.

Well you know, you do the same at most matches but 'mostbofnidb

We can all edit.

[andyh]

The badge ‘fiasco’ has been explained, time and time again.

Explained really badly with a scarcely believable story about it being an experiment, it being some shit about a 1982 commemoration on, err, the 41st anniversary.

We now have a situation where we have two totally different badges used by media outlets and are about to get a third.

No, that’s not it all.


It was explained in a claret a blue podcast, in depth, how the selection process was worded and constructed in way that Purslows pre defined deisign was always going to be ‘the winner’.
It was never about giving the fans a say, it was about appearing to give the fans a say.

Another Purslow vanity project

[pauliewalnuts]

The badge ‘fiasco’ has been explained, time and time again.

Explained really badly with a scarcely believable story about it being an experiment, it being some shit about a 1982 commemoration on, err, the 41st anniversary.

We now have a situation where we have two totally different badges used by media outlets and are about to get a third.

No, that’s not it all.


It was explained in a claret a blue podcast, in depth, how the selection process was worded and constructed in way that Purslow pre defined deisign was always going to be ‘the winner’.
It was never about giving the fans a say, it was about appearing to give the fans a say.

And how does that reflect in any way well on Heck? Come out and tell us that's the reasoning if that is the case.

And I don't really understand how something on the claret and blue podcast explains anything from the club's viewpoint on the badge.

They should have just said, we got it wrong and come clean on it.

Something that haven't actually even done - Heck referred today to consulting with the fan base on the new badge. How have they done that? I must have missed it. They also present it as something they've done out of the goodness of their hearts rather than a Premier League requirement to consult, which is what it is.

[andyh]

The badge ‘fiasco’ has been explained, time and time again.

Explained really badly with a scarcely believable story about it being an experiment, it being some shit about a 1982 commemoration on, err, the 41st anniversary.

We now have a situation where we have two totally different badges used by media outlets and are about to get a third.

No, that’s not it all.


It was explained in a claret a blue podcast, in depth, how the selection process was worded and constructed in way that Purslow pre defined deisign was always going to be ‘the winner’.
It was never about giving the fans a say, it was about appearing to give the fans a say.

And how does that reflect in any way well on Heck? Come out and tell us that's the reasoning if that is the case.

And I don't really understand how something on the claret and blue podcast explains anything from the club's viewpoint on the badge.

They should have just said, we got it wrong and come clean on it.

Something that haven't actually even done - Heck referred today to consulting with the fan base on the new badge. How have they done that? I must have missed it. They also present it as something they've done out of the goodness of their hearts rather than a Premier League requirement to consult, which is what it is.

I have responded to a new badge questionnaire. I think lots on here have done.

I think the point I am making about the current badge is that it was sold as a modern, fit for purpose upgrade on the Lerner rubbish, whereas Heck realised it was a Purslow vanity project and so pulled the plug and is now doing what Purslow was supposed to be doing but wasn’t, consulting the fans for a true, fans led, replacement.

I guess we will find out in a few weeks how dangerous it is to let people vote for something.

[TonyD]

Would they consider a compulsory PO of the land and properties around Villa Park?

I hope not. We're not Liverpool.

Isn't the issue with Liverpool that they bought the houses piecemeal then let the street go to the dogs to try to force the last few people out. At least with a compulsory purchase order, everybody knows where they stand.

Or we could just poison their water supply. 

[Risso]

Something that haven't actually even done - Heck referred today to consulting with the fan base on the new badge. How have they done that? I must have missed it. They also present it as something they've done out of the goodness of their hearts rather than a Premier League requirement to consult, which is what it is.

There was the same lot of questions to answer that we had last time. As you say, all he needed to say was "we don't think this refelcts how we want to move our brand further, and it's no use for online marketing so we're going to do it better" There would have been a few grumbles but I don't think many people liked the lion facing the wrong way anyway.

In the hospitality areas they've been handing out freebies (wash bag, travel mug, water bottle etc) in the last few weeks at most games, and it's all had this branding on it:



I reckon it's almost certain that what they're planning is this, or the the same with the lion facing the other way.

[Brazilian Villain]

I have responded to a new badge questionnaire. I think lots on here have done.

I think the point I am making about the current badge is that it was sold as a modern, fit for purpose upgrade on the Lerner rubbish, whereas Heck realised it was a Purslow vanity project and so pulled the plug and is now doing what Purslow was supposed to be doing but wasn’t, consulting the fans for a true, fans led, replacement.

I guess we will find out in a few weeks how dangerous it is to let people vote for something.

When Heck unveils his new design we could always have a vote off between it and the new round badge. If they don't, we'll assume they're not really interested in the fans' opinions and the revised design is nothing more than a 'Heck vanity project'.

[VILLA MOLE]

Todays news has made me feel quite flat , which it really shouldn’t as things are so cooking on it. .  Maybe there will be further developments in the near future .  On that note Pollyanna is off to bed

[Risso]

Even the video itself is really amateurish.

Interviewer: "Can you talk a bit about the Villa Park assessment, and the plans regarding the North Stand, I think the fans are excited about that."

Heck: "[paraphrasing] Yes. We're not doing it."

[pablo_picasso]

The badge ‘fiasco’ has been explained, time and time again.

Explained really badly with a scarcely believable story about it being an experiment, it being some shit about a 1982 commemoration on, err, the 41st anniversary.

We now have a situation where we have two totally different badges used by media outlets and are about to get a third.

No, that’s not it all.


It was explained in a claret a blue podcast, in depth, how the selection process was worded and constructed in way that Purslows pre defined deisign was always going to be ‘the winner’.
It was never about giving the fans a say, it was about appearing to give the fans a say.

Another Purslow vanity project

It was explained by people who didn't want the circular badge in the first place on a podcast what they thought about the selection process & how they thought it was worded in a particular way to influence the vote. It was their opinion & they had no official word or evidence that it was a Perslow vanity project anymore than anybody in here does who hold the same opinion. I have noticed that it is a few louder voices in the Villa community who have made opposition known that particular crest & how the process was run.

Now, it may have been the case that these people are correct about the Perslow crest, but if those loud influential voices were pissed off about perceiving the circular one as being a Perslow vanity project, then they should be pissed off that the new one appears to be a Heck vanity project, because he appears to have done the very same thing that they accuse Perslow of. No matter what it looks like.

Only Heck has done it with less flowery words, blatant lies & manipulation of data to explain the change, & then basically gave three options to choose from within from the "consultation".

The whole debacle was a clusterfuck, no matter how its drilled down...

[Billy Walker]

In fairness to Heck, he's paid to make big decisions and this is another big one. 

Big salaries also means you have to be accountable for your decisions, explain them, and bring people on the journey; he’s not done any of that so far.

I agree, some crystal clear communication and outlining of the Club's new plans are now required.  As well as what's going on with Villa Park, I'd like to know what the new plans for Bodymoor are.

[Percy McCarthy]

The badge ‘fiasco’ has been explained, time and time again.

What, apart from the obvious bullshit they put out? I must have missed it if there was something vaguely believable.

[Ads]

I guess we can all read into the confusion one way or the other. I definitely take his read of thoughtful plans to suggest that being down to 3 sides is unacceptable for 2 years, because it absolutely is.

[pablo_picasso]

Something that haven't actually even done - Heck referred today to consulting with the fan base on the new badge. How have they done that? I must have missed it. They also present it as something they've done out of the goodness of their hearts rather than a Premier League requirement to consult, which is what it is.

There was the same lot of questions to answer that we had last time. As you say, all he needed to say was "we don't think this refelcts how we want to move our brand further, and it's no use for online marketing so we're going to do it better" There would have been a few grumbles but I don't think many people liked the lion facing the wrong way anyway.

In the hospitality areas they've been handing out freebies (wash bag, travel mug, water bottle etc) in the last few weeks at most games, and it's all had this branding on it:



I reckon it's almost certain that what they're planning is this, or the the same with the lion facing the other way.

I wouldn't cry if it was that...