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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4560 on: December 19, 2023, 09:38:32 PM »
The Champions League side of things only guarantees three home matches, though. There is only really properly decent money when you get to play in it regularly and start to see it reflected in your sponsorship deals.

The gate income from another 6,000 people in the North Stand is a piddling small amount.

5 from next year.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4561 on: December 19, 2023, 09:51:51 PM »
I asked this earlier but, once again, re the Atairos investment. They said it will not impact ownership of AVFC, it will be about V-Sports, and helping them build infrastructure.

AVFC Ltd does not own Villa Park, another NSWE company does.

Are Atairos buying into the entity that owns Villa Park, and if so, are they doing so with an aim to improve the stadium, whether it be new stand, new ground, whatever?

They must be buying into something, and if it''s not the ground, it is currently V-Sports stake in the Portuguese club, which isn't much.

As far as I can see from the press release, they are buying into V Sports, which wholly owns AVFC. So basically they are co-owners.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4562 on: December 19, 2023, 09:56:40 PM »
He’s ruined Christmas for me now. 

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4563 on: December 19, 2023, 10:01:36 PM »
It’s clear the 10,000 extra seats were planned to be 10,000 high value seats - corporate or Terrace View type expensive seats. As they’re struggling to sell the expensive ones we already have then the “too many too soon” comment is about right.

Americans failing to understand us British football fans and our ways and traditions maybe? I imagine Heck has had a bit of a shock that we’ve moaned like fuck about Terrace View & Lower Grounds and refused to pay the £80 or whatever it costs for that, yet so many of us shelled out about the cost of half a season ticket on a trip last week to watch a match from the “comforts” of a cage in the sky with portaloos… and loved it!
They just don’t get us.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4564 on: December 19, 2023, 10:05:57 PM »
Personally, I think it’d be ridiculous playing our 150th anniversary season in the middle of a building site. We’re not Small Heath - we need 4 stands for that.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4565 on: December 19, 2023, 10:06:07 PM »
A strange statement about too much too soon, that doesn't really ring true. Not said with any conviction either.

£10,000 is the cost per additional seat now, up from £4,000 pre-pandemic. Its not going to get any cheaper.

We have significantly wealthy owners and now we're in bed with significantly wealthy (infrastructure providers) funders.

Commercial revenue has grown, with more and more corporate being crammed in every possible space, but we've reached capacity and we are instead looking at adding the warehouse, rather than new areas. Largely because there's nowhere to add new offerings too. Which contradicts the aim to grow, making the first paragraph all the more puzzling.

We have transport issues, but they're not contingent on planning and frankly, if it's built, people will come and go, just more slowly than they'd like.

He describes plans as being thoughtful. What a strangely deliberate phrase.

It's all very confusing and doesn't ring true. We haven't had the whole truth or anything close to it.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4566 on: December 19, 2023, 10:21:51 PM »
It's a pile of B.S Ads just like his B.S about the new round crest not having the desired impact (after he deliberately went out of his way to suppress it and hide it).

Guarantee we will rue the day he walked in

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4567 on: December 19, 2023, 10:22:09 PM »
It’s a shame really because on the pitch lots is going on and going very well indeed but off the pitch we have now had a series of episodes of piss poor communication topped with today’s outbreak of Tom Fox level bullshit.

Tommy Jordan needs to get his fucking act together and seriously improve the messaging because it looks very much like having managed to finally look like a club going places we have stumbled into Ellis era corner shop territory.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4568 on: December 19, 2023, 10:24:30 PM »
So far Heck is like Ellis and Tom Fox rolled into one insufferable bullshitter

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4569 on: December 19, 2023, 10:28:45 PM »
Build a new bigger stand on the mass of ground available behind the existing north stand. Start pretty well as soon as you like. When completed as soon as the season is finished, you knock down the old north stand and using hydraulic lifts move the new structure forward the 80 metres or so into place. Existing technology has moved larger structures greater distances than what this would involve.
 
The extra cost of hydraulics on a movable structure should be far less than the income lost from a reduced capacity for two years as well as not losing the atmosphere temporarily with a 3 sided stadium.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_relocation

I thought it has already been said that this isn't an option and the North Stand will have to be knocked down first?

It has.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4570 on: December 19, 2023, 10:32:31 PM »
It's pretty poor when '10,000 new seats is too many' when Everton, who have stunk out the league for years and have zero positive energy about them, think that 15,000 extra seats in a brand new stadium is good for them.

The newest part of our ground is now nudging 25 years old, and the north stand almost 45 years.

It's just mindblowingly small time and unambitious. It would be bad enough had we just talked about rebuilding and then not done it, but we've had it designed, got planning approval for it, done the big splashes and fly throughs on the web site, said when we were going to start the work - and then, just like that, almost as an aside in an in house interview, it's dropped.

Not sure on what basis we should trust anything Heck comes up with. I think that's the most worrying thing, a lack of trust (and transparency).

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4571 on: December 19, 2023, 10:34:45 PM »
Agree with you and worrying that the villa reporter (Townley?) sort of hasn't offered any critical analysis- he just seemed to take it all at its word despite the bizarre nature of it.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4572 on: December 19, 2023, 10:39:08 PM »
Personally, I think it’d be ridiculous playing our 150th anniversary season in the middle of a building site. We’re not Small Heath - we need 4 stands for that.

That's also a good point, and hadn't crossed my mind.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4573 on: December 19, 2023, 10:39:35 PM »
Would they consider a compulsory PO of the land and properties around Villa Park?

I hope not. We're not Liverpool.


Isn't the issue with Liverpool that they bought the houses piecemeal then let the street go to the dogs to try to force the last few people out. At least with a compulsory purchase order, everybody knows where they stand.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #4574 on: December 19, 2023, 10:39:53 PM »
Would they consider a compulsory PO of the land and properties around Villa Park?

Please no! Kick people out of their homes? This is supposed to be a football club rooted in its community not one rooting out its community

I doubt anyone would it.  However if NSWE have long term ambitions that involve keeping the club at Villa Park, then a CPO could potentially be the only viable way to do it. 

 


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