Build a new bigger stand on the mass of ground available behind the existing north stand. Start pretty well as soon as you like. When completed as soon as the season is finished, you knock down the old north stand and using hydraulic lifts move the new structure forward the 80 metres or so into place. Existing technology has moved larger structures greater distances than what this would involve. The extra cost of hydraulics on a movable structure should be far less than the income lost from a reduced capacity for two years as well as not losing the atmosphere temporarily with a 3 sided stadium.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Structure_relocation
And what great timing, on pitch screams ambition and progress, off pitch, it's him and his 42k will do shtick.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 07:46:56 PMAnd what great timing, on pitch screams ambition and progress, off pitch, it's him and his 42k will do shtick.For whatever reason I think they thought they had to sneak it out the week before Xmas!
When I first heard this news I was relieved. My season ticket is on the front row of the North Stand Upper. I've got a great view, really like the fans around me and can obtain extra tickets near me for friends (both members and more casual supporters). I had braced myself for losing all of these benefits for two years at the very time we seem to be on the cusp of something special.However, the talk of moving to the NEC has me worried. I've been going to VP for over sixty years and I love the Bartons before hand, the walk to the ground, the rituals, the memories. I actually find it easier to get away from VP than from my neighbouring clubs; Forest and Leicester.A few years ago I went to see Atletico Madrid in the Vicente Calderon stadium. It was a bit like Newcastle as you could walk from the city centre, enjoying bars and restaurants on the way and feel the atmosphere growing as you approached the ground.Now they've moved to a modern bowl miles from the city centre, near the airport and in a totally nondescript location. I really don't want to be watching the game in a place like that.Villa Park till I die.
@usav - You seem to really be in Heck's corner on all of this.
Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2023, 07:33:15 PMQuote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 19, 2023, 06:51:53 PMThere are known knowns, things we know that we know; and there are known unknowns, things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things we do not know we don't know.Ha! You may actually have a point, for example what's the story with the Council and costs for Witton station, have the costs of building materials increased beyond the expected budget, how long do we expect the redevelopment to be on hold, are we waiting for a time when Villa aren't playing in the CL, are there no Villa fans who don't have season tickets and want to see games at Villa Park, have we abandoned attracting new supporters and what will happen if on the pitch we dominate English and European football for the next 50 years? Will it still be on hold?My kingdom for a straight answer.The Council are nothing whatsoever to do with paying for the station upgrade, nothing. And even if they were, this is the period in history where they are as unlikely to be able to as ever.
Quote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 19, 2023, 06:51:53 PMThere are known knowns, things we know that we know; and there are known unknowns, things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things we do not know we don't know.Ha! You may actually have a point, for example what's the story with the Council and costs for Witton station, have the costs of building materials increased beyond the expected budget, how long do we expect the redevelopment to be on hold, are we waiting for a time when Villa aren't playing in the CL, are there no Villa fans who don't have season tickets and want to see games at Villa Park, have we abandoned attracting new supporters and what will happen if on the pitch we dominate English and European football for the next 50 years? Will it still be on hold?My kingdom for a straight answer.
There are known knowns, things we know that we know; and there are known unknowns, things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things we do not know we don't know.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on December 19, 2023, 07:37:24 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on December 19, 2023, 07:33:15 PMQuote from: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on December 19, 2023, 06:51:53 PMThere are known knowns, things we know that we know; and there are known unknowns, things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns, things we do not know we don't know.Ha! You may actually have a point, for example what's the story with the Council and costs for Witton station, have the costs of building materials increased beyond the expected budget, how long do we expect the redevelopment to be on hold, are we waiting for a time when Villa aren't playing in the CL, are there no Villa fans who don't have season tickets and want to see games at Villa Park, have we abandoned attracting new supporters and what will happen if on the pitch we dominate English and European football for the next 50 years? Will it still be on hold?My kingdom for a straight answer.The Council are nothing whatsoever to do with paying for the station upgrade, nothing. And even if they were, this is the period in history where they are as unlikely to be able to as ever.I get that but who is responsible, from what I understand Transport for West Midlands which falls under the WMCA. Grants both local and national are available via the Transport for West Midlands but I haven't heard a thing about the possibility. BCC do have a voice in who is appointed onto the TFWM committee. Lost in red tape? I have no idea.
Would they consider a compulsory PO of the land and properties around Villa Park?
Is the LDV site alongside the spine rd?
Quote from: Bent Neilsens Screamer on December 19, 2023, 07:56:17 PMIs the LDV site alongside the spine rd?Yep, and a trainline.
Quote from: The Edge on December 19, 2023, 07:05:34 PMI drove through town today and past the old wholesale markets site that is now called Smithfield. It's still a huge derelict site and not a spade has been put in the ground regarding the proposed developments there. They used it for the commonwealth games two years ago and it held various events last summer. It got me thinking that's all. I would HATE us to leave Villa Park full stop.I have no idea if it's big enough for a stadium, but a city centre ground negates the need for road and rail links for fans.
I drove through town today and past the old wholesale markets site that is now called Smithfield. It's still a huge derelict site and not a spade has been put in the ground regarding the proposed developments there. They used it for the commonwealth games two years ago and it held various events last summer. It got me thinking that's all. I would HATE us to leave Villa Park full stop.