Villa Park Redevelopment

[PeterWithesShin]

In that case, I'm all for it. As long as there are plenty of drums and trumpets for LeeB.

Rail Dube seats. Everyone has a drum that way.

[Rory]

Nothing staged here, pure coincidence so many are looking at the camera

Looks like one bloke photoshopped in multiple positions.

[Lastfootstamper]

In that case, I'm all for it. As long as there are plenty of drums and trumpets for LeeB.

I took the missus for her first time to see the women play on Sunday.

"Is that a drum? They've got a drum. You never told me I could bring a drum. Why didn't you tell me I could bring a drum?"
"Because you're not bringing a drum!"
*Awkward silence for 30 seconds*
"...Is that a kazoo?...”

[olaftab]

If seating/standing is 1:1 than how come Signal Iduna Park capacity goes from 66K to 81K when standing is allowed at domestic matches ?

[Lastfootstamper]

Different regulations in Germany, where they didn't feel the need to tear down all the terraces.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safe_standing

Bolt-on seats

Several clubs adapt their grounds to UEFA all-seater requirements by bolting temporary seats to the steps of otherwise essentially conventional terraces and removing the crush barriers. After the UEFA match, the seats are then removed again and the barriers put back. Stadiums that operate in this way include those of Schalke 04, Borussia Dortmund and Borussia Mönchengladbach.

[algy]

If seating/standing is 1:1 than how come Signal Iduna Park capacity goes from 66K to 81K when standing is allowed at domestic matches ?

The photos were of 1:1 rail seating, which in that form won't increase capacity. But you can also do it like this:


(at Telford Athletics Club, 1:1.6 rail seats)



In that form, you fit 2 rows of terrace for every row of seats. I'd guess that it'd be more expensive than a straight seats -> rail seats conversion, and you'd probably lose a bit of seating capacity as I guess you'd need to allow more room for seats. But I'd take a wild stab - if that's 1:1.6 in that form, and the theoretical maximum seating -> terracing is 1:1.8, that you lose about 12% seating capacity in that form (can't be arsed showing working out). So a 10k capacity stand now would hold 8.8k seating or 14.2k standing.

Personally I don't see the point in the club spending money on rail seating if it doesn't increase capacity. There was some suggestion that in it's present form it's actually decreased capacity, which makes no commercial sense as far as the club goes. *But* if it were possible to add 10k to the capacity without changing the footprint of the ground ... that makes sense to me.

[Dave P]

I put this here as I think hearing opposition fans' points of view is important.

Decent watch that was and hard to argue with many of the points. 

[algy]

I put this here as I think hearing opposition fans' points of view is important.

Decent watch that was and hard to argue with many of the points.

Yeah, good video and some fair points.

Often think the atmosphere is a bit odd - maybe this is the same with most clubs, I don't know. Like, there's not that much noise, it's just this sort of intense feeling to it.  But then, when it's good, it's unbeatable.   And you can have both things in the same game.  I took my daughter to see the home game against Brighton last season and it was mad, most of the first half it was the tense.  Then for no apparent reason, around the 75min mark, everything started to build up ... then we scored a couple of goals later on, and the whole place seemed to have this relief of tension and get a bit noisy, it was great (though my little girl was struggling a bit with just how loud it was!

I dunno, you have games where the atmosphere is just really tense, not noisy or anything - just tense.  Then you get others like the Atletico Madrid game as a really obvious example where it's just incessantly rowdy and generally amazing.

I think the Project B6 stuff is quite interesting in as much as I'd assume they're trying to get that feeling *all* the time, but then I'm not sure that's actually possible.  Not every game is like that one against Tranmere Rovers in 94, where it's a semi-final and we had to do something, but probably most folk believed that we were capable of beating them 2-0 so were generally up for shouting a lot in the hope that being noisy would coax the ball in to the net!  But then what made it was that it wasn't 2-0 ... we went 2-0 up, then Aldridge scored, so the tension wasn't released and everyone was still trying to will the ball in to the net until the 88th minute, when BFR's son scored.  I mean, we all know the story, right?  But you simply don't get games which are on a knife edge for the whole thing AND there's a load riding on them that often.

[olaftab]

If seating/standing is 1:1 than how come Signal Iduna Park capacity goes from 66K to 81K when standing is allowed at domestic matches ?

The photos were of 1:1 rail seating, which in that form won't increase capacity. But you can also do it like this:


(at Telford Athletics Club, 1:1.6 rail seats)



In that form, you fit 2 rows of terrace for every row of seats. I'd guess that it'd be more expensive than a straight seats -> rail seats conversion, and you'd probably lose a bit of seating capacity as I guess you'd need to allow more room for seats. But I'd take a wild stab - if that's 1:1.6 in that form, and the theoretical maximum seating -> terracing is 1:1.8, that you lose about 12% seating capacity in that form (can't be arsed showing working out). So a 10k capacity stand now would hold 8.8k seating or 14.2k standing.

Personally I don't see the point in the club spending money on rail seating if it doesn't increase capacity. There was some suggestion that in it's present form it's actually decreased capacity, which makes no commercial sense as far as the club goes. *But* if it were possible to add 10k to the capacity without changing the footprint of the ground ... that makes sense to me.

Thanks mate, very informative however I would like to see the working out please?

[SaddVillan]

Bit of background on the Liverpool CPOs:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2013/may/06/anfield-liverpool-david-conn

[SaddVillan]

Purslow was MD at LFC June 2009-Oct 2014.

[pauliewalnuts]

Bit of background on the Liverpool CPOs:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/david-conn-inside-sport-blog/2013/may/06/anfield-liverpool-david-conn

Absolutely grim reading, that.

[PeterWithesShin]

It's because of stuff like that, said by the people affected that i've been rather strong about my opinions on what Liverpool did. Next time you hear them claiming to be any kind of community club remember that article and the numerous others that were done in the past. It's also why I am very against us doing anything similar just to make a few more quid.

[eamonn]

I dont remember much outrage about it  was the story not picked up by the main news outlets or are they all run by Redshite fans ?

[RamboandBruno]

I put this here as I think hearing opposition fans' points of view is important.

Decent watch that was and hard to argue with many of the points.

I enjoyed that video, came across a good lads.