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Offline chrisw1

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #930 on: June 29, 2022, 09:49:08 AM »
It’s interesting that the club hasn’t identified the consultant team that it's working with. Purslow’s interview looks like it's being conducted in an architect’s meeting room. I genuinely don’t know which architect this belongs to, but my guess would be Grimshaw, based on the high-tech shelving in the background, and the model on the shelving, which looks like a cross section through the Waterloo Eurostar terminal. My opinion has always been that the club should appoint better quality consultants, and take their advice, rather than try to micro-manage the process like Doug did in the past. Whether or not you like their work, Grimshaw are a solid, high-quality practice.

The club have been engaging with BCC and WMRA. They’ve probably already had most of their pre-app engagement with the LPA, giving them enough confidence to put the scheme into the public domain. Consultation material is normally made to look less resolved than the design actually is, to imply flexibility, and avoid things looking fixed. If the images are a bit generic, there are less specifics for people to complain about. The cross section through the new stand is the only image rendered from CAD. The others are all hand sketches traced from the CAD model. I’d guess that the design isn’t going to change much from what is shown in that cross section, as there simply isn’t enough time before a late summer planning submission to do otherwise.

Based on this it looks as though the rear of the stand (including the entire upper tier) could be built before demolishing the existing stand, like Liverpool are currently doing with the Anfield Road End. 7,400 additional seats are mentioned, making an overall capacity of over 50,000, with a long-term aim for close to 60,000. I’m not entirely clear on current capacities, but I think the new stand would be about 14,500 seats, making the entire ground about 50,200. I’m a little underwhelmed, as I was (perhaps unrealistically) hoping that the long-term aim would be to exceed West Ham, Spurs, Arsenal and Liverpool etc. The new Witton End stand is the best opportunity to significantly increase capacity due to the relative lack of constraints. The Anfield Road End will apparently be about 16,000. I’m not aware of all of the issues, but these extra 1,500 seats might have made a long-term aim for above 60,000 possible.

Dealing with the public realm between the ground and the Brookvale Academy looks positive, creating more of a campus. There seems to be a sensible attempt to align the rear of the new stand with Station Road, which might be a limitation on the capacity. The Aston Live concept seems like a really good idea. I’m almost wondering if it is big enough though? If not, perhaps it can be enlarged later subject to demand.
I was also hoping we'd push closer to 55k in the first phase, but to be fair they have said the longer term plan would be 60k although I'd guess we'll be looking at another 10 years for that?

I suspect we are being limited by the strong fan push for seperate stands as opposed to filling in corners.  It sounds like they'll fill in corners on the lower tier but not the upper, which will surely cost a few thousand seats?

Personally I'd have been ok with a horseshoe (with the Holte remaining stand alone) if it gave us the greater capacity, but we have a voiciferous traditioanalist fan base (not that I'm against tradition, I love out history, but I just want us to be as competitive as possible).

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #931 on: June 29, 2022, 09:49:34 AM »
Good stuff all around. Really excited about this development. And if they do turn Villa Live into Villa Vile great it means we matter.

Offline Billy Walker

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #932 on: June 29, 2022, 09:58:58 AM »
Getting more events staged at Villa Park is surely one of the considerations - more concerts, Europa League final, international matches will all give us a big revenue boost given we don't really do any of these at the moment.  The Villa Live venue will be important too - can see it being used for things like Darts and Snooker, these already take place in the exhibition hall at whatever Coventry/Wasps ground is called now.
I already hate that name "Villa Live" it just seems so naff. Aston Arena? The Saunders Suite?

I wonder if, long term, the idea is to get the venue sponsored?  This could be a really savvy way of preserving the Villa Park name whilst banking a big sponsorship deal for the Club?

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #933 on: June 29, 2022, 10:13:12 AM »
I'm just sad they haven't gone with tradition and factored in a Granada Bingo hall behind the stand.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #934 on: June 29, 2022, 10:15:36 AM »
I already hate that name "Villa Live" it just seems so naff. Aston Arena? The Saunders Suite?

Not keen on "Villa Live" either, Aston Live, Aston Arcade, Aston Arena (if big enough) or Saunders Centre would be fine for me.

Or given it'll be a largely retail outlet how about "The Ellis Emporium"? ;)

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #935 on: June 29, 2022, 10:16:26 AM »
I'm just sad they haven't gone with tradition and factored in a Granada Bingo hall behind the stand.

They should have incorporated the old bowling green and aquarium too.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #936 on: June 29, 2022, 10:19:24 AM »
Villa Live is a bit Sky Sports News shouty.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #937 on: June 29, 2022, 10:21:41 AM »
what about the lair , ?

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #938 on: June 29, 2022, 10:37:32 AM »
I'm just sad they haven't gone with tradition and factored in a Granada Bingo hall behind the stand.

They should have incorporated the old bowling green and aquarium too.

And a cinder track

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #939 on: June 29, 2022, 10:44:56 AM »
Villa Live is a bit Sky Sports News shouty.

One for the kids I reckon.

I remember working in Middlesbrough when Sunderland decided on the Stadium of Light name. Immediately became the Stadium of Shite.

It doesn't matter, Villa Live kind of says what it's all about.

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #940 on: June 29, 2022, 10:49:54 AM »
I've no problem with the name Villa Live tbh.  It's not a massive own goal at all, who gives a fuck what Blues fans may call it?

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #941 on: June 29, 2022, 10:52:47 AM »
I've no problem with the name Villa Live tbh.  It's not a massive own goal at all, who gives a fuck what Blues fans may call it?


yep I am pretty sure they have fires to put out back home

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #942 on: June 29, 2022, 11:23:25 AM »
The day we start worrying about what the tramps with two stands think is the day we should pack it in.

Let them carry on with the self immolation course they seem set on.  Next season perhaps they'll only have one functioning stand, by 2025 - zero. 

That's progress!

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #943 on: June 29, 2022, 12:02:00 PM »
I would prefer the prideland

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Re: Villa Park Redevelopment
« Reply #944 on: June 29, 2022, 12:21:48 PM »
Not sure if this has been posted?

https://www.gensler.com/projects/milwaukee-bucks-entertainment-district

That looks alright to me!

 


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