Man Citeh XIV 2 v Aston Villa 0 Post Match Thread.

[pauliewalnuts]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

Clowns use juggling balls.

I didn't get what he was saying until i just read this explanation.

[pelty]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

The only people that use "juggling balls" are Clowns!!

Right, got that, but I was wondering if there were masturbatory undertones or something of that kind. Clearly not.

[pooligan]

We all know that  nothing will be done against people like Moss ,Friend and Oliver making game changing awful decisions  unless it is one of the so called big six  .Next time we have Moss or Oliver in charge we should just concede the points .Have just seen the offside that never was , a disgraceful decision not to give offside  ,i am gradually losing my love for our once great game

[Steve67]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

The only people that use "juggling balls" are Clowns!!

Right, got that, but I was wondering if there were masturbatory undertones or something of that kind. Clearly not.

You need to wash your mind my friend. 

[Colin B]

I've just been on the FA website to check the offside law

I found this under law 11

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

[The Edge]

People keep saying ‘the game has gone’ and I agree with them, because the situation is completely unsatisfactory, but frankly I’m confused about what the fuck is actually happening.

I think my issue is that, I don’t care whether it’s caused by VAR itself, or the laws of the game more generally, but if a decision doesn’t make immediate sense then it just can’t be the right decision. If you have to trawl through footage to explain the issue, then it’s the wrong decision. The fundamental determining factor as to whether an offence (i.e. an offside, a foul, or a handball) has been committed should be whether a team has gained an unfair advantage. If they have gained an unfair advantage, it should be an offence.

So, Watkins shouldn’t have been given offside at West Ham, because him being 1mm offside  (calculated in an entirely spurious way) didn’t gain him an advantage in the context of him being held back by Ogbonna.

Similarly, Rhodri should have been given offside tonight, because he gained an advantage by nicking the ball from behind Mings, coming from an offside position.

Any other justification for making decisions is going to be unsatisfactory. I was never in favour of VAR, and I think it doesn’t help to try to make the decision-making more ‘scientific’, because you have to try to write down the criteria, and then apply them, and life, the world, and football are always going to be too nuanced to be able to deal with every eventuality. I’d actually prefer to make things more subjective, and put more weight on the view of the referee on the pitch. Personally, I think that I would find the odd poor decision more acceptable knowing that there is always going to be an element of subjectivity, or even human error involved.

Exactly. In tonight's case a short sighted ref on a galloping horse could see that Rhodri was offside and used it to his teams full advantage by stealing a goal. Forget the tiny details in the rule book and apply some common sense. Give offside when you see a player is clearly 15 yards offside.

[Nev]

In the past the linesman would flag the player offside, the ref would make a judgement whether to stop the game or play on signalling his acknowledgment to his linesman, if said offside player then became involved coming back from that offside position he would halt play.

And this "phase of play" is nonsense, wide open to interpretation it can be used as a convenient excuse to absolve officials of missing fouls or infringements.

[LeeB]

"The clown clearly moved his hand towards the ball Jon, under rule 42.c it's a penalty Manchester Utd or City"

[Clive W]

I've just been on the FA website to check the offside law

I found this under law 11

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:
interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
interfering with an opponent by:
preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
challenging an opponent for the ball or
clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball

As I said earlier it’s the 4th point that is relevant
Rhodri clearly challenges Mings - he does not receive it from Mings

[ChicagoLion]

I am just getting fed up with, they are fucking up the game and no one seems to have any power to do anything about it.

[nick harper]

I really don’t think that rule was meant to be interpreted in that way. The confusion seems to be the interpretation that Rodri received the ball from Mings (which must means a pass) when he had it taken off him by the player dispossessing him from an offside position.

I think they’ve used the rule to dig themselves out of admitting another error.

Edit: as Clive has said above.

[Clive W]

In the past the linesman would flag the player offside, the ref would make a judgement whether to stop the game or play on signalling his acknowledgment to his linesman, if said offside player then became involved coming back from that offside position he would halt play.

And this "phase of play" is nonsense, wide open to interpretation it can be used as a convenient excuse to absolve officials of missing fouls or infringements.

Totally agree Nev
It used to be such a simple game - sadly no longer

[Goldenballs]

So from now on pump it long to a striker standing miles offside by the corner flag, get him to stand perfectly still until a defender comes over and touches the ball, then tackle him instantly.

[dave17]

So a keeper saves the shot and it rolls to a player stood offside who scores - now a goal. So free kicks stand in front of the keeper waiting...

Completely agree. It was a change in the phase of play apart from the player who hadn’t reset. The ball was intended for him and he had an advantage. Failing that stand Watkins next to the keeper and have everyone ping shots in on sight

[Bent Neilsens Screamer]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

Clowns use juggling balls.

I didn't get what he was saying until i just read this explanation.

I thought I was the only one!