Man Citeh XIV 2 v Aston Villa 0 Post Match Thread.

[PaulWinch again]

If Mings had turned round and attempted a back pass then fair enough. But he didn’t, he was tackled. That’s not in line with the rules.

[Legion]

It's farcical.

[andyh]

Even the in studio ‘referee’ didn’t know the rules, that’s how fucked up things now are.

[PaulWinch again]

We were outplayed.

Move on to Saturday.

I don’t think anyone is arguing Man City were the stronger side - not a huge surprise. Still as a fan it grates a bit when such a poor decision leads to the key goal.

[Flamingo Lane]

I'm getting angrier the more I dwell on this.

Questions I'd like asked and answered, from the officials: at what point (if any) did the linesman (assistant referee) consider raising his flag for offside, and at what point (and why) did he decide not to?

 

[Sleeuwenhoek]

The law is correct if the 'offside' player receives the ball, he didn't, he challenged for it from an offside position so should never have stood. Thought all the back 4 were superb including Mings.

[Flamingo Lane]

The offside rule was brought in to outlaw "goal hanging".  It is back with a vengeance because as DW says you leave a player on or near the opposition goal line then play for,  A  ricochets or B incompetent self agrandizing corrupt referees.

Exactly.  Just instruct your killer striker: Save your energy.  Stay in the opposition box throughout the game.  Come to life when the ball's down your end.  Just don't get caught offside.

[pelty]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

[FatSam]

People keep saying ‘the game has gone’ and I agree with them, because the situation is completely unsatisfactory, but frankly I’m confused about what the fuck is actually happening.

I think my issue is that, I don’t care whether it’s caused by VAR itself, or the laws of the game more generally, but if a decision doesn’t make immediate sense then it just can’t be the right decision. If you have to trawl through footage to explain the issue, then it’s the wrong decision. The fundamental determining factor as to whether an offence (i.e. an offside, a foul, or a handball) has been committed should be whether a team has gained an unfair advantage. If they have gained an unfair advantage, it should be an offence.

So, Watkins shouldn’t have been given offside at West Ham, because him being 1mm offside  (calculated in an entirely spurious way) didn’t gain him an advantage in the context of him being held back by Ogbonna.

Similarly, Rhodri should have been given offside tonight, because he gained an advantage by nicking the ball from behind Mings, coming from an offside position.

Any other justification for making decisions is going to be unsatisfactory. I was never in favour of VAR, and I think it doesn’t help to try to make the decision-making more ‘scientific’, because you have to try to write down the criteria, and then apply them, and life, the world, and football are always going to be too nuanced to be able to deal with every eventuality. I’d actually prefer to make things more subjective, and put more weight on the view of the referee on the pitch. Personally, I think that I would find the odd poor decision more acceptable knowing that there is always going to be an element of subjectivity, or even human error involved.

[LeeB]

You didn't VAR for the first goal, any Sunday League ref would have blown for that.

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

The only people that use "juggling balls" are Clowns!!

[The Edge]

We were outplayed.

Move on to Saturday.

I don’t think anyone is arguing Man City were the stronger side - not a huge surprise. Still as a fan it grates a bit when such a poor decision leads to the key goal.

Two decisions.

[LeeB]

I'm getting angrier the more I dwell on this.

Questions I'd like asked and answered, from the officials: at what point (if any) did the linesman (assistant referee) consider raising his flag for offside, and at what point (and why) did he decide not to?

 

I think this instance raised an issue with the 'keep the flag down ' policy they have too, previously the lino would flag that then the ref would've been compelled to give it.

[Clive W]

Offside offence
A player in an offside position at the moment the ball is played or touched* by a team-mate is only penalised on becoming involved in active play by:

* interfering with play by playing or touching a ball passed or touched by a team-mate or
* interfering with an opponent by:
* preventing an opponent from playing or being able to play the ball by clearly obstructing the opponent’s line of vision or
* challenging an opponent for the ball or
* clearly attempting to play a ball which is close when this action impacts on an opponent or
* making an obvious action which clearly impacts on the ability of an opponent to play the ball
*The first point of contact of the 'play' or 'touch' of the ball should be used

I think the 4th bullet point here is the relevant one. Rhodri clearly challenged Mings for the ball - he didn’t receive it from Mings

[Steve67]

I do not know all the British sayings, so is there a meaning to "getting juggling balls for Christmas" of which I am probably unaware?

Clowns use juggling balls.