Quote from: Rudy Can't Fail on September 22, 2020, 01:42:18 PMQuote from: Luke8 on September 22, 2020, 01:18:32 PMShots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by. When you have 72% Possession, only manage 2 shots all game on target and having watched the game I'd say it's a great metric to measure the performance by.I don’t think having only two shots on target, against a team that defended very narrow and very deep, and did a good of it as well is an indication that we are going to struggle to score this season as Mr Beggar was implying. I don’t think it was a great attacking performance, but it wasn’t terrible and people tend to ignore the fact that Sheffield United defended pretty well.
Quote from: Luke8 on September 22, 2020, 01:18:32 PMShots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by. When you have 72% Possession, only manage 2 shots all game on target and having watched the game I'd say it's a great metric to measure the performance by.
Shots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by.
Quote from: Luke8 on September 22, 2020, 03:55:40 PMQuote from: Rudy Can't Fail on September 22, 2020, 01:42:18 PMQuote from: Luke8 on September 22, 2020, 01:18:32 PMShots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by. When you have 72% Possession, only manage 2 shots all game on target and having watched the game I'd say it's a great metric to measure the performance by.I don’t think having only two shots on target, against a team that defended very narrow and very deep, and did a good of it as well is an indication that we are going to struggle to score this season as Mr Beggar was implying. I don’t think it was a great attacking performance, but it wasn’t terrible and people tend to ignore the fact that Sheffield United defended pretty well. Put it like this, if I'd been a neutral watching last night I'd have changed channel.
Quote from: Luke8 on September 22, 2020, 01:18:32 PMQuote from: sickbeggar on September 22, 2020, 11:33:19 AMTo be honest I agree with you that its unfair to judge much on a 1st game as it was clearly apparent some players weren't up to speed, and i would have took a draw beforehand tbf.But the criticism is still relevant after last season. We had something like 16 shots on goal and managed 2 on target last night. Yes they parked the entire bus station, but you just have to look at us last season. What was it 6/7 games we scored 2 goals in? Basically if you score against us you've got a very good chance of at least a draw. If you manage 2 then we're not gonna win...Watkins had the sending off and his curled shot last night and both of those chances he made out of nothing. Grealish was having one of his don't pass nights - indeed I think Watkins set him up a few times, so the lack of creativity and the fact we probably will not face such a defensive team again who will allow us so much possession is a bit worrying imo.Shots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by. I’d argue that the two of Grealish’s chances that went just wide when better than Luiz’s header on target for instance.Regarding scoring goals, we scored two, or more, eleven times last season. So it’s not as concerning as you reckon, especially when you factor in the improvement in the defence towards the end of last season and the fact that we have improved the attacking players on the team. Specifically in relation to last night, it’s not the possession really, it was the fact that they defended with their defence and midfield in such a deep block. I think Grealish, Watkins and others would benefit from having more space in transition when opposition attack and commit men forwards. I don’t imagine we will play many, if any, other games like last night this season.Well you're including cup games and scoring 6 past Crewe, and other team's reserves and youth, well i'm on about the league primarily.I don't know, maybe last night was a hangover from last season and they still haven't adapted to having a striker. I know I was telling them to shoot when the alternative was passing to Samatta or Davis. I just think we've spent 28m on a striker who on paper at least should be our most prolific marksman. It would have been nice last night is someone had created a chance for him, even a 50/50 chance where he didn't have to do all the work himself because frankly he's our best chance of scoring.
Quote from: sickbeggar on September 22, 2020, 11:33:19 AMTo be honest I agree with you that its unfair to judge much on a 1st game as it was clearly apparent some players weren't up to speed, and i would have took a draw beforehand tbf.But the criticism is still relevant after last season. We had something like 16 shots on goal and managed 2 on target last night. Yes they parked the entire bus station, but you just have to look at us last season. What was it 6/7 games we scored 2 goals in? Basically if you score against us you've got a very good chance of at least a draw. If you manage 2 then we're not gonna win...Watkins had the sending off and his curled shot last night and both of those chances he made out of nothing. Grealish was having one of his don't pass nights - indeed I think Watkins set him up a few times, so the lack of creativity and the fact we probably will not face such a defensive team again who will allow us so much possession is a bit worrying imo.Shots on target isn’t a particularly great metric to measure dominance/performance by. I’d argue that the two of Grealish’s chances that went just wide when better than Luiz’s header on target for instance.Regarding scoring goals, we scored two, or more, eleven times last season. So it’s not as concerning as you reckon, especially when you factor in the improvement in the defence towards the end of last season and the fact that we have improved the attacking players on the team. Specifically in relation to last night, it’s not the possession really, it was the fact that they defended with their defence and midfield in such a deep block. I think Grealish, Watkins and others would benefit from having more space in transition when opposition attack and commit men forwards. I don’t imagine we will play many, if any, other games like last night this season.
To be honest I agree with you that its unfair to judge much on a 1st game as it was clearly apparent some players weren't up to speed, and i would have took a draw beforehand tbf.But the criticism is still relevant after last season. We had something like 16 shots on goal and managed 2 on target last night. Yes they parked the entire bus station, but you just have to look at us last season. What was it 6/7 games we scored 2 goals in? Basically if you score against us you've got a very good chance of at least a draw. If you manage 2 then we're not gonna win...Watkins had the sending off and his curled shot last night and both of those chances he made out of nothing. Grealish was having one of his don't pass nights - indeed I think Watkins set him up a few times, so the lack of creativity and the fact we probably will not face such a defensive team again who will allow us so much possession is a bit worrying imo.
Quote from: chrisw1 on September 22, 2020, 02:35:50 PMCan't believe Wilder thought Targett should have been sent off at the time of their pen. I know he's upset about their sending off but it's hardly 9 minute rant worthy.Their red card was ludicrous I thought. Referee could have consulted linesman or screen on field. Not that clown Mike Dean. That decision gets given against us and we all would have been going ballistic. I'm not a fan of the "double jeopardy" rule either, a penalty is not a guaranteed goal. At least there is a rule that prevented Targetts red card. Egan was very unlucky. Sheff United are struggling anyway though. Found goals an issue last season and I highly doubt any combination of Burke, McGoldrick, McBurnie are going to change that. Their new keeper reminds me of Kalinic a bit based on the goals he has let in so far. Same money as Martinez too.
Can't believe Wilder thought Targett should have been sent off at the time of their pen. I know he's upset about their sending off but it's hardly 9 minute rant worthy.
I'm sorry but no, it was a clear sending off, and the only thing I'd have been angry if it was us would've been our donkey centre half. He'd got both his arms wrapped around him for crying out loud.
I think we'll see Davis starting through the middle with Watkins and Traore either side before long. And it will be a good thing, and we shall prosper.