Emi Martinez

[brian green]

No it hasn't.

[Footy-Vill]

Unfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper

No it hasn't.

Well Crooks review of Emi Martinez didn't stop at crucial in the 2-1 victory
He explicitly mentioned garish detail about him and the criticism which was levelled at Emi. Something that isn't forgotten.

Also Emi was booked for time wasting and I think he may be a marked man by officials and the media now. If that's not reputation I don't know what is.

And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.

[Dave]

Unfortunately, the reputation and some of Emi behaviour has tarnished his good work as an actual goal keeper

No it hasn't.

Well Crooks review of Emi Martinez didn't stop at crucial in the 2-1 victory
He explicitly mentioned garish detail about him and the criticism which was levelled at Emi. Something that isn't forgotten.
Also Emi was booked for time wasting and I think he may be a marked man by officials and the media now.

But Garth Crooks is thicker than a bowl of day-old porridge. There's nothing he could say about any subject that anyone should pay any attention to.

[TaxDodger]

Garth Crook's opinion doesn't tarnish anything.

Like any keeper he'll get booked when he takes the piss with timewasting. As long as this doesn't result in him being suspended at any point then I'm all for as much piss taking and shit housery as possible.

[Nev]

Some wooden head was on the Guardian comments section bellyaching about him holding onto the ball for 10 seconds or something. Shaaaadaaaap.

[pauliewalnuts]

There’s lots of understandable disdain for that spurs fan who kicked him at the end of the match yesterday as well as Richarlison being a twat but what most of the coverage didn’t show was immediately before when Ramsdale was fist pumping and badge kissing in front of the home fans.

Top shit housery. Also as mentioned before, Newcastle are also doing it a lot season - certainly the time wasting element of it.

It doesn’t tarnish Martinez’s goalkeeping reputation in any way whatsoever.

If Garth Crooks’s brains were dynamite he couldn’t blow the wax out of his ears.

[Risso]

And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.

Pope is miles more experienced in the Premier League than Emi, and played for one of the biggest bunch of cheats and cloggers in Burnley. Newcastle do just as much 'game management' as us, so I really don't think Pope needs any encouragement from Emi.  Lastly, amending your post to say "Great, world class goalkeeper" isn't fooling anybody. You've got a bizarre aversion to Martinez.

[KevinGage]

The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.

Emi illustrates both.

It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.

[Brend'Watkins]

The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.

Emi illustrates both.

It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.

That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.

[Drummond]

Martinez isn't a marked man either. He took fucking ages on the ball, way too long and, I think, gladly took a Yellow for it.

[KevinGage]

They have a term for it (that I can't quite recall) which is a play on pick pocket or similar.

Maradona, Simeone and now Martinez are some of the more obvious exponents. But there have been plenty of others.

As Bertoni, in all candour says, 'in my opinion the English players are too honest'. Argentine players, on the other hand, are guided by the spirit of Machiavelli.

Diego Simeone's ludicrous reaction to the tap he received on the leg from Beckham in 1998 offered a perfect case in point. 'Our way of playing is inspired by the Italian model,' Perfumo told me. 'English players are more naive. Our game is more calculating. We study a rival more closely, we look for ways to destroy him. One of our approaches, for example, is to study a player's weak points so we can try and make him angry. Because in football if you get angry, you lose.'

Ricardo Villa makes the same point. 'In Argentina you go to the pitch with a masterplan in your mind. It is a destructive one instead of a creative one. It is better to destroy than to create. I played in England for five years and I never had anybody giving me advice on how to destroy a player.'

[Clark W Griswold]

I don't see that Crook's is personally having a go at him anyway, i think you've misread it. He comments that Martinez ha had critisism from elsewhere but the 'boy's will be boys' bit is most likely Crook's opinion that it's all part of the game.

As for Ramsdale, he was being a right twat at the end, Richarlison was quite within he rights to come over and tell him to fuck off up the other end and stop goading the fans. The fan that kicked him should be banned for life though as there's no excuse for that.

[Toronto Villa]

And he's definitely influenced the likes of Nick Pope and Arom Ramsgate in the antics they were displaying this weekend.
Just have to accept its part of the way he plays the game. He's a Great, world class goalkeeper.

Pope is miles more experienced in the Premier League than Emi, and played for one of the biggest bunch of cheats and cloggers in Burnley. Newcastle do just as much 'game management' as us, so I really don't think Pope needs any encouragement from Emi.  Lastly, amending your post to say "Great, world class goalkeeper" isn't fooling anybody. You've got a bizarre aversion to Martinez.

He doesn’t have an aversion. It’s called perspective and foresight. Intellect, balance and an enlightenment that the rest of us only wish we had.

[ChicagoLion]

I don't like the gamesmanship, but if we didn't do it  we would be at a huge disadvantage.
What I find most irritating is the blatant professional foul which at worst gets a booking.
If a player is going through on goal I want to see what happens, not a free kick.
I think they should bring in a sin bin for these situations. Or a straight red.

[Footy-Vill]

The better goalkeepers tend to be a bit tapped. And the better/ more competitive players often play on the edge.

Emi illustrates both.

It's also a long-established part of Argentinian sporting culture to not just indulge in the dark arts but celebrate them. It's not viewed with the same disdain as here.

That's correct and it's the very reason why Maradonna's hand of God goal is celebrated like it is.

That's a very good point, KG, and it helps to explain things to my understanding of Martinez behaviour on the pitch.
I do feel he has evolved somewhat into quite a character.
Clearly, he's a winner, and we must all accept his good and bad qualities because he's a match saver, leader, and a very passionate person who only ehances our ability to win football matches when he's on the pitch.