Emi Martinez

[ldavfc4eva]

I suspect Emi will go in the summer, for crazy money at least, but he will go.

Emery clearly wasn’t happy with him racing up to try and get an equaliser yesterday, and I wonder if his attitude has changed at all since winning the World Cup.

He wasn’t happy that we let Neil Cutler leave, and has said he wants Champions League football (albeit he mentioned winning it with us) too.

Who we replace him with will be a hard one, we need someone who can play out, so Raya from Brentford may be a good shout.

[OCD]

Man Utd and Spurs are favourites to sign Bonou.

[astonvilla82]

Bailey was a disgrace in that breakaway, barely got a jog on as they sprinted past him.

as previously said,I think that as well and didn't want him on for that reason, where as Watkins and Bunedia were closing down

[PaulWinch again]

In the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.

Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.

[Risso]

Take it up with Emery.

[Percy McCarthy]

But Emery said no.
I won't say anymore. People don't want to hear when have true info.

On the interview I saw Emery definitely didn’t say he told him not to do it.

[Bad English]

If Emi had not stopped that shot by Muani, France would have three stars on their shirt and Emi would be known as the keeper who let Mbappe put three past him.* Maybe this wouldn't have changed anything regarding his performances or made him less likely to want Champions League rapidly but all I can say is he did not look so ace yesterday and needs to sort it out.

*Obviously, Mbappe put 4 past him with his 2nd pen.

[Percy McCarthy]

the gaffer is the gaffer, if he said stay back, then Emi needs to stay the fuck back.

As Aniello Dellacroce said to John Gotti when he revealed his plan to defy Big Paul Castellano, “the boss is the boss is the boss”.

[Legion]

Getting a bit big for his boots perhaps, but I'd prefer him over Olsen, Sinisalo, Zych...

[Smithy]

But Emery said no.
I won't say anymore. People don't want to hear when have true info.

On the interview I saw Emery definitely didn’t say he told him not to do it.

Indeed. It's getting a bit lost now, but it's clear Emi wasn't TOLD to go up (which is what normally happens with keepers in this situation - they look at the bench with a "should I?" look on their faces).  He chose to do it all by himself, and the manager isn't very happy that he did. And he won't be doing it again in a hurry.

It was a mistake, but he makes fewer than most, and we were already losing so it's not like it cost us the game.

[Goldenballs]

If Emi had not stopped that shot by Muani, France would have three stars on their shirt and Emi would be known as the keeper who let Mbappe put three past him.* Maybe this wouldn't have changed anything regarding his performances or made him less likely to want Champions League rapidly but all I can say is he did not look so ace yesterday and needs to sort it out.

*Obviously, Mbappe put 4 past him with his 2nd pen.

What did he do wrong yesterday other than kick a few balls into touch, and in people's opinion waste too much time? He couldn't do anything for any of the goals and made a decent save, can't remember who from, and came out well to catch crosses.

He went up for a final second corner, but that's been done to death.

[algy]

In the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.

Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.

Ok, here's a list of every goalkeeper who's scored in the top division in the past 30 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_goalkeepers_who_have_scored_in_the_Premier_League

3 goals in total scored by a goalkeeper, from a corner. Of which only 1 had any effect on the end result. So it's once every 10 years for a goal and much less frequently for a meaningful one.

This isn't a 50:50 thing or anything approaching. You might argue that he adds to the general melee or whatever, but you could equally argue those teams might've scored anyway even if the goalkeeper wasn't there. In any case, it's rare to get a goal from a corner - I can't remember the exact number but on average it's something like 3-4 goals a season on average come as a result from corners.

Meanwhile, how many goals are conceeded because the goalkeeper isn't there, or more broadly because the team are panicking the moment the opposition threaten to do anything.

It's not really going up for a corner I'd be bothered by, it's just that it's a symptom of a more endemic problem in the side that needs to be cut out, and if that means that we lose that literally 1:13000 (or worse) chance of scoring an equaliser then I think it's worth it.

[Smithy]

In the situation under discussion 2-4 was always more likely than 3-3 but I would rather that he had a go than to not trying. It is also likely that in that attack Arsenal would have still scored if Emi had been in the goal as Martinelli was “one on one”.

Exactly - who cares if 4-2 is more likely, 3-2 and 4-2 still get you the exact same number of points. I really don’t see the problem here, if he had done it on 85 when it was 2-2 I would fully agree. But losing by a one or two goal margin is completely immaterial in our situation. It was a punt that didn’t work, but it’s a pretty common thing to do and made absolute sense in context of the match situation.

Ok, here's a list of every goalkeeper who's scored in the top division in the past 30 years

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_goalkeepers_who_have_scored_in_the_Premier_League

3 goals in total scored by a goalkeeper, from a corner. Of which only 1 had any effect on the end result. So it's once every 10 years for a goal and much less frequently for a meaningful one.

This isn't a 50:50 thing or anything approaching. You might argue that he adds to the general melee or whatever, but you could equally argue those teams might've scored anyway even if the goalkeeper wasn't there. In any case, it's rare to get a goal from a corner - I can't remember the exact number but on average it's something like 3-4 goals a season on average come as a result from corners.

Meanwhile, how many goals are conceeded because the goalkeeper isn't there, or more broadly because the team are panicking the moment the opposition threaten to do anything.

It's not really going up for a corner I'd be bothered by, it's just that it's a symptom of a more endemic problem in the side that needs to be cut out, and if that means that we lose that literally 1:13000 (or worse) chance of scoring an equaliser then I think it's worth it.

The goalie actually scoring is very rare, but I'd be interested to know how often the "team" scores when the goalie has gone up.  The extra body freeing up space for someone else? Creating a bit of panic?  I suspect it's also very rare, but probably not a 'once in a decade' occurrence.  I'm sure I read somewhere that only 4% of corners result in a goal, so the question is, what is that percentage when the goalie has gone up?  I bet someone somewhere has that stat...

I still think it's a silly thing to do in a league games in the middle of the season.

[Risso]

I'm sure I read somewhere that only 4% of corners result in a goal

Other than when they're being taken against us!

[Lastfootstamper]

I think the correct figure is more like 2%. Which for us probably equates to scoring from one every ten games.