Ollie Watkins

[Somniloquism]

Nope he’s had one very good season, and a few good ones for goal scoring.

40 games, 16 goals
36 games, 11 goals
40 games, 16 goals
54 games, 17 goals

You think these are good?

They're Milan Baros numbers.

I see a player who has been in the list of top 10 scorers four of the last 5 seasons. The season you always acknowledge as his best one and only criticise him slightly on he actually beat on scoring last season because he got the 16 league goals in a lot less minutes of play. You also seem to have missed out one season in your list....

[N'ZMAV]

Regardless of his past - if he's one that's not putting a shift in, then he (and the others) can fuck right off.

[Monty]

I merely counsel once more that we not do the H&V equivalent of posting angry comments on a Mark Goldbridge video.

[PaulWinch again]

Regardless of his past - if he's one that's not putting a shift in, then he (and the others) can fuck right off.

Based on what we’ve seen then that’s pretty much every player not going to play. It’s not about effort, it’s more than that. Also as a general point, he’s a player who has worked incredibly hard to get where he is, including several years working bloody hard to perform at a high level for us. Maybe he should have a bit of latitude before his character is questioned - he’s not in good form, it doesn’t mean he’s not bothering.

[Smirker]

Nope he’s had one very good season, and a few good ones for goal scoring.

40 games, 16 goals
36 games, 11 goals
40 games, 16 goals
54 games, 17 goals

You think these are good?

They're Milan Baros numbers.

I see a player who has been in the list of top 10 scorers four of the last 5 seasons. The season you always acknowledge as his best one and only criticise him slightly on he actually beat on scoring last season because he got the 16 league goals in a lot less minutes of play. You also seem to have missed out one season in your list....

Because that season isn't in question?

I have agreed it was a good season for goalscoring. Why would I include it when I'm disputing the others?

[Smirker]

16 plus is good in my book. Who’s had more than that for us in the last 40 years?

And lets be honest, what a 40 years its been 

To be the best in that period really is saying something.

[PeterWithesShin]

No wonder we're struggling to score with how often Smirker moves the goalposts.

[AV82EC]

16 plus is good in my book. Who’s had more than that for us in the last 40 years?

And lets be honest, what a 40 years its been 

To be the best in that period really is saying something.

In answer to the question from Ian., it’s Platt, Yorke and Benteke.

Watkins is in the better than Carew but not as good as Benteke imo.

[Smirker]

No wonder we're struggling to score with how often Smirker moves the goalposts.

Where have I done that? Those seasons are not good. Being the best in a shit period isn't saying anything.

[Drummond]

Smirker, Watkins is only behind Salah and Haaland over the past 5 years based on your criteria for goals scored. On that basis, what more need he have done to be a good striker?

[Smirker]

Smirker, Watkins is only behind Salah and Haaland over the past 5 years based on your criteria for goals scored. On that basis, what more need he have done to be a good striker?

You say it like there are loads of top strikers he has outscored.

How many teams have been in the PL for that full five years? That takes out a fair few who have been relegated or promoted, so players for those teams will have played fewer games. Then how many of those were guaranteed starters and the only striker for the majority of that time?

Kane left for example. Agüero retired. Isak hasn't even been here five years. Son's last three haven't been quite as good but the five before that, he outscored Watkins playing as a support for Kane. MU have been shit.

He's done it not because he's a good goalscorer but by virtue of basically being one of the few strikers to regularly play for the entirety of that five years, because we haven't bought anyone else or given anyone else a run (because he can't cope with competition).

[Monty]

So you're saying he's still better than everyone except Salah, Haaland, Kane, Aguero, and Son in his prime?

[PaulWinch again]

Your dislike of Watkins is weirdly irrational Smirker.

[PeterWithesShin]

Only reason Ollie's numbers look good is that so many other players aren't as good as him, which refelects badly on Ollie.

[Drummond]

Who else should we have had then? You talk like there are are loads of options. You've said he had one good season. You've said it's only about goals. Yet you just keep changing the criteria you're working to.