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Offline jwarry

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6780 on: January 20, 2025, 07:37:56 PM »
Wonder what this was all about?  Ollie clearly have a grudge without Gabriel

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1880933224635113522?s=61&t=5gNHKFDBiIG50p8ei1L0Vg

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6781 on: January 20, 2025, 07:58:35 PM »
Wonder what this was all about?  Ollie clearly have a grudge without Gabriel

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1880933224635113522?s=61&t=5gNHKFDBiIG50p8ei1L0Vg

clipped his wings there !

Offline Smithy

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6782 on: January 20, 2025, 07:59:32 PM »
How does that xG reconcile with the big chances missed number? Pretty sure MOTD showed a graphic where he was top and it was higher than 10.

I think Ollie is harshly judged - people annoyed that he didn't score one in the first half when Partey threw the ball to him...I mean, he had a lot to do!

xG just measures how "easy" chance is.  Duran's winner v Everton had an xG of 0.02.  i.e. they expect chances like that to go in 2% of the time.  it seems like a big chance is when you have a shot where the xG is 0.38, or a goal is scored 38% of the time.  So not necessarily a sitter, but a good chance.  If you miss two of those, and score the third, you're only very slightly below your xG number.

The point being, missing "big chances" isn't great, but it's by no means unique to Ollie, and is actually expected 60+% of the time.  It's a useful stat (not in isolation based on a single game or two, but in aggregate over a period of time), to see how good someone is at taking their chances.   Ollie should have 3.72 goals more than he does this season, based on the xG quality of the chances he's had. That's not great, obviously.  However, Haaland should also have 2.29 more goals.  At the opposite end of the scale, Chris Wood should have 4.34 FEWER goals based on the quality of the chances he's had.

The clubs have all these stats, and more, so they will know exactly who is above, below, or right on their xG.  They'll also know if someone is in some temporary form, or if they're consistently above or below their number.  It's why I try not to read too much into the misses that we see Ollie make.  We're actively watching Villa, so Ollie's misses stand out far more to us.  We're rarely watching 90 minutes of other teams (unless they're playing us), so we don't often see their strikers missing chances unless it makes a highlight package.  But miss them they do.  Even the very best.

I trust the club to know if and when the misses become a problem that needs solving, rather than them being simply an annoyance to fans like us who want their striker to score every single chance they get, no matter how unrealistic that is.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6783 on: January 20, 2025, 08:18:56 PM »
Wonder what this was all about?  Ollie clearly have a grudge without Gabriel

https://x.com/avfcofficial/status/1880933224635113522?s=61&t=5gNHKFDBiIG50p8ei1L0Vg

I heard a great description today on a podcast, and it was meant as a compliment citing that shove, that Villa do have “c***” in us. Basically saying we have a nasty side when we smell blood in the opposition and we aren’t shrinking violets.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6784 on: January 20, 2025, 11:20:56 PM »
I'm not hating on the man, and I'm not reluctant to share the gratitude I feel for his efforts. But he should have scored a goal that he balloned yesterday.

But if we're going on "should", he probably shouldn't have scored the really good goal that his movement, instinct and technique meant that he actually did score.

I love Ollie and Mings, both fantastic players and both inspiring players, however Mings should have got closer to the man with the goal and Ollie probably should have done better with the lob. However they both still had brilliant games and the reason we didn’t lose.


Wrong thread (maybe) but Havertz was Konsa's man to watch/cover. This season, I think Konsa's form has dipped. He has a tendancy to be drawn to the ball and fails to spot players finding space - often by holding their run - as per the West Ham goal in the Cup.

Agreed, he neither blocks the cross nor the only forward in the box. Mings is only stepping into Konsa's space. Cash shouldn't be letting that cross come through first time either.

Konsa has been poor for a while and needs to up his game asap with a new RCB imminent.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6785 on: January 23, 2025, 12:35:56 PM »
Ollie Watkins has been involved in 99 Premier League goals in 168 appearances for Aston Villa. If he scores or assists vs West Ham, he'll be the fastest player to 100 G/A since Kevin De Bruyne in July 2020 and fastest Englishman since Harry Kane in November 2017.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6786 on: January 23, 2025, 01:45:56 PM »
Ollie Watkins has been involved in 99 Premier League goals in 168 appearances for Aston Villa. If he scores or assists vs West Ham, he'll be the fastest player to 100 G/A since Kevin De Bruyne in July 2020 and fastest Englishman since Harry Kane in November 2017.
Quite remarkable when you consider that a decent chunk of that was playing in the fag end of Dean Smith's period plus the whole of the Scouse Charlatan, neither of which were notable for free flowing football and goals scored aplenty.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6787 on: January 23, 2025, 05:08:02 PM »
Ollie Watkins has been involved in 99 Premier League goals in 168 appearances for Aston Villa. If he scores or assists vs West Ham, he'll be the fastest player to 100 G/A since Kevin De Bruyne in July 2020 and fastest Englishman since Harry Kane in November 2017.

Great stats!
What a player!
What a pro!
At Villa Park it's  3 goals in 4 matches v West Ham so every chance.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6788 on: January 26, 2025, 05:21:15 PM »

Ollie Watkins has been involved in 99 Premier League goals in 168 appearances for Aston Villa. If he scores or assists vs West Ham, he'll be the fastest player to 100 G/A since Kevin De Bruyne in July 2020 and fastest Englishman since Harry Kane in November 2017.
Watkins gets the 100 with a lovely lay off to Ramsey against West Ham first half.

Well done Watkins!

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6789 on: January 26, 2025, 08:39:41 PM »
Thought he was OK today but not much to feed off.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6790 on: January 26, 2025, 08:40:50 PM »
I thought after Bouba he was our best player. Was feeding off scraps but did everything really well.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6791 on: January 26, 2025, 08:42:19 PM »
Ollie was excellent today, we shouldn’t have taken him off.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6792 on: January 26, 2025, 08:43:14 PM »
Yep involved in everything good. He was unlucky with that header.

Offline Abbeyfealeavfc

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6793 on: January 26, 2025, 08:49:33 PM »
Ollie led the attack very well today and has reached 100 goal contributions for Villa in the PL. A fantastic achievement by an invaluable player to the club.

Offline Footy-Vill

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #6794 on: January 26, 2025, 09:49:17 PM »
Led line today thought he was excellent .
Noticeable how controlled in his lay offs and one touch passing.
Some great combo link up play and missed him when he came off

 


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