Ollie Watkins

[chrisw1]

Rachel Daly will be on that list soon the way she scores

I know I'm risking being called out as sexist here and that is not my intention, but if we start mixing these lists then do you start putting on youth players etc on it as they are playing for Aston Villa teams too?  Where would Steffan and Luke Moor sit?

No, because youth players aren't playing at the highest level they can within the club, Daly is.

It still makes absolutely no sense to mix stats for men and women. They don't do it in any other sport, so why would it happen for football? Nobody seriously compares the number of Grand Slams Serena Williams has to Roger Federer, and nor should they.

I didn't say it was and I wouldn't do it, I just pointed out that if you did it would at least be comparing 'like-for-like'. To stick with Tennis comparing Federer and Williams is a damn sight more reasonable than comparing either of them to someone who won a few junior tournaments and then never got close to an actual grand slam.

So you agree with the general point but couldn't help yourself in having a dig? 

[paul_e]

Rachel Daly will be on that list soon the way she scores

I know I'm risking being called out as sexist here and that is not my intention, but if we start mixing these lists then do you start putting on youth players etc on it as they are playing for Aston Villa teams too?  Where would Steffan and Luke Moor sit?

No, because youth players aren't playing at the highest level they can within the club, Daly is.

It still makes absolutely no sense to mix stats for men and women. They don't do it in any other sport, so why would it happen for football? Nobody seriously compares the number of Grand Slams Serena Williams has to Roger Federer, and nor should they.

I didn't say it was and I wouldn't do it, I just pointed out that if you did it would at least be comparing 'like-for-like'. To stick with Tennis comparing Federer and Williams is a damn sight more reasonable than comparing either of them to someone who won a few junior tournaments and then never got close to an actual grand slam.

So you agree with the general point but couldn't help yourself in having a dig? 

If that's how you read then it's up to you but it takes some impressive mental gymnastics, not a surprise with you though.

[chrisw1]

You reckon?

You basically supported Daly being included in the figures but then in replying to Risso said you wouldn't do it.  Did you honestly think the point of my post was that I thought youth players should be included too?

[Simon Page]

This is all getting a bit wallets at dawn.

[paul_e]

You reckon?

You basically supported Daly being included in the figures but then in replying to Risso said you wouldn't do it.  Did you honestly think the point of my post was that I thought youth players should be included too?

No I didn't, I simply said that including Daly has far more validity than including the youth records. I would explain why but then you'll sulk about me being condescending and we'll go through the whole bullshit of you not liking it when I disagree with you which no one wants so no I didn't agree with you and no I didn't post just to have a pop, I just thought you made a comparison that was really poor and, if anything, supported the opposite position to the one you were taking. Do you want me to explain why or shall we just end this now so you can go back to pretending I stalk you on here looking for things to argue about (I don't, you just happen to post more that I disagree with than most people).

[Dave]

I'm as big a fan of a pointless argument over nothing as anybody on here, but this one one *really* seems like a pointless argument over nothing?

[Somniloquism]

You reckon?

You basically supported Daly being included in the figures but then in replying to Risso said you wouldn't do it.  Did you honestly think the point of my post was that I thought youth players should be included too?

I don't think anyone has actually stated we should mix the lists. Paul's point was just Luke Moores reserve/youth total wouldn't apply anyway, after all we don't include Gabby's youth stats in his total and I believe that was quite high as well.

And yes, it did look like you wanted to include youth records in competitive lists.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm as big a fan of a pointless argument over nothing as anybody on here, but this one one *really* seems like a pointless argument over nothing?

I'm having an absolute shitter of a day, and I could really use a pointless argument (that I'm not involved in) about nothing. Have at it, please.

[chrisw1]

You reckon?

You basically supported Daly being included in the figures but then in replying to Risso said you wouldn't do it.  Did you honestly think the point of my post was that I thought youth players should be included too?

I don't think anyone has actually stated we should mix the lists. Paul's point was just Luke Moores reserve/youth total wouldn't apply anyway, after all we don't include Gabby's youth stats in his total and I believe that was quite high as well.

And yes, it did look like you wanted to include youth records in competitive lists.

You missed the bit about me saying 'at the risk of being called out as sexist?'  I thought it was pretty transparent that I was saying I didn't think Daly should be included in the list of top goal-scorers being discussed.  It seems like I give other posters too much credit so I'll try harder to be more obvious next time.

[chrisw1]

I'm as big a fan of a pointless argument over nothing as anybody on here, but this one one *really* seems like a pointless argument over nothing?

I'm having an absolute shitter of a day, and I could really use a pointless argument (that I'm not involved in) about nothing. Have at it, please.

cheers, will do.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm as big a fan of a pointless argument over nothing as anybody on here, but this one one *really* seems like a pointless argument over nothing?

I'm having an absolute shitter of a day, and I could really use a pointless argument (that I'm not involved in) about nothing. Have at it, please.

cheers, will do.

No you fucking won't.

[paul_e]

You reckon?

You basically supported Daly being included in the figures but then in replying to Risso said you wouldn't do it.  Did you honestly think the point of my post was that I thought youth players should be included too?

I don't think anyone has actually stated we should mix the lists. Paul's point was just Luke Moores reserve/youth total wouldn't apply anyway, after all we don't include Gabby's youth stats in his total and I believe that was quite high as well.

and also that youth stats actually don't make sense even to compare to themselves. For example Wayne Rooney never scored for England under-21s because he was too good for that level and went straight from U19s to rthe senior squad whereas Eddie Nketiah has 16 in 17 at that level. I won't be betting anything on Nketiah getting anywhere near Rooney's England record though. Or to put it another way, scoring fuckloads at youth level can actually been seen as a negative that the player never progressed despite scoring lots of goals.

Alternatively mens and womens senior football is comparing like-for-like in most ways and, for me, the main reason not to do it is that it's all a bit pointless and not very interesting.

[chrisw1]

JFC.  For the hard of thinking I do not think youth records should be included in stats of Aston Villa's top scorers.  Nor do I think women stats should be mixed in with the men's.  That was my whole point.

[Somniloquism]

You missed the bit about me saying 'at the risk of being called out as sexist?'  I thought it was pretty transparent that I was saying I didn't think Daly should be included in the list of top goal-scorers being discussed.  It seems like I give other posters too much credit so I'll try harder to be more obvious next time.

You missed the bit that no one actually stated they should be added, until you decided that it wouldn't be fair if she was ahead of Moore's youth record.

[chrisw1]

You missed the bit about me saying 'at the risk of being called out as sexist?'  I thought it was pretty transparent that I was saying I didn't think Daly should be included in the list of top goal-scorers being discussed.  It seems like I give other posters too much credit so I'll try harder to be more obvious next time.

You missed the bit that no one actually stated they should be added, until you decided that it wouldn't be fair if she was ahead of Moore's youth record.

Rachel Daly will be on that list soon the way she scores

I mean, it's right there in black and white, but whatever.