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Offline Risso

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3540 on: September 18, 2023, 12:56:16 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3541 on: September 18, 2023, 12:57:34 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3542 on: September 18, 2023, 01:08:41 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

Plus the amount of service he gets from this Villa side and his ability to be in the right place at the right time, he's not going to miss them all. Twenty is more than doable.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3543 on: September 18, 2023, 01:17:45 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

Plus the amount of service he gets from this Villa side and his ability to be in the right place at the right time, he's not going to miss them all. Twenty is more than doable.

I’d bet you an expensive bottle of wine he gets nowhere near, but, you know….. 😉

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3544 on: September 18, 2023, 01:24:18 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

Plus the amount of service he gets from this Villa side and his ability to be in the right place at the right time, he's not going to miss them all. Twenty is more than doable.

I’d bet you an expensive bottle of wine he gets nowhere near, but, you know….. 😉

Can we count all cup competitions too, not just league?

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3545 on: September 18, 2023, 01:30:25 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

And much more recent evidence of long non-scoring streaks. But overall he's a 1 in 3ish striker, so 33 games left, probably 11 or 12 goals. 13 tops.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3546 on: September 18, 2023, 01:34:18 PM »
Many of those games were in a team that didn't create anywhere near the number and quality of chances we now do so I'd expect that ratio to fall going forward.

I'd say if he stays first choice all season he'll get between 15-20.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3547 on: September 18, 2023, 01:42:11 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

Plus the amount of service he gets from this Villa side and his ability to be in the right place at the right time, he's not going to miss them all. Twenty is more than doable.

I’d bet you an expensive bottle of wine he gets nowhere near, but, you know….. 😉

I don't gamble anyway but I'm not saying I'd bet on it even if I did, just pointing out that he got 15 last season having been on 3 after 19 games.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3548 on: September 18, 2023, 02:14:22 PM »
People were talking him about getting closer to 20 goals this season, he's going to have to go some now to even get 15.

Not really, we have some pretty recent evidence that he can go on long runs of scoring week after week.

And much more recent evidence of long non-scoring streaks. But overall he's a 1 in 3ish striker, so 33 games left, probably 11 or 12 goals. 13 tops.

Under Emery in the league, he has 15 in 29. So a 1 in 2 striker for him. 33 games left so probably 15-16, 18 tops.

However, in his last 11 in the League for Emery, he is on 1 in 11. That was since he scored two in a league game against Newcastle which was the first time he had scored two in a league game for us since November 2020.

Lots of ways to interpret the stats, but this season he has also unlucky not to score as well as bad finishing. I'm hoping his first in the league starts off another streak.


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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3549 on: September 18, 2023, 02:19:26 PM »

I don't gamble anyway but I'm not saying I'd bet on it even if I did, just pointing out that he got 15 last season having been on 3 after 19 games.

That comment was to Mark.

Offline AV84

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3550 on: September 18, 2023, 02:29:06 PM »
Looking at last season Watkins didn't score his first league goal until October 23rd, and didn't score again until December 26th.

I might be missing one in there but he scored 15 in the league last season and at least 11 of them came between January and the end of the season.

So no need to panic about whether he can still hit 20.


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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3551 on: September 18, 2023, 02:34:46 PM »
I'd like to see him score a few and then flog him for an inflated price.
Nothing against the lad he's just not good enough for the level this manager wants us to compete at.

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3552 on: September 18, 2023, 02:36:50 PM »

I don't gamble anyway but I'm not saying I'd bet on it even if I did, just pointing out that he got 15 last season having been on 3 after 19 games.

That comment was to Mark.

I know but I wanted to reply and it would've felt weird to not mention the betting bit.

Offline 85kota

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3553 on: September 18, 2023, 02:38:42 PM »
Watkins could easily get 15 still this season.

Offline supertom

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Re: Ollie Watkins
« Reply #3554 on: September 18, 2023, 03:08:46 PM »
I'd be more worried if he wasn't getting chances or contributing but he's still key to how we play. I'd expect him to hit double figures again. To be honest, Watkins is an all-rounder more than a deadly finisher. He'll get 20 goal contributions in the league, maybe 12-13 of which are goals and the rest assists.

As long as we're winning and everyone else bangs em in, that's enough. These mythical 20+ goals in the league front men are few and far between and they cost a fortune. Get 25-30 between Ollie and Diaby and maybe 15 assists between em and that's great. I'd fancy Duran to hit double figures too.

I think we'd really struggle to replace what Ollie gives us. Maybe you can recalibrate in the same way Man City did to fit Haaland in, but that's easier when you spend what they do.

I suspect Ollie will score one and go on a purple patch, then have 5 games without a goal, then repeat. He's had 5 big chances and hit the woodwork once this season. It'll come. But he's definitely a 10-15 player.

I'm more worried about our defence than our attacking quality at the moment.

 


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