How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?

[ChicagoLion]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not sure about that mate. They havent said it significantly reduces transmission just that your better protected

Lots of studies have shown that transmission is lower in vaccinated people. Here's one: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

This study was carried in Jan/feb before delta became dominant, which is the problem. Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, but if they do then it seems they have the same viral load to pass it on, although exactly what the situation is remains unclear. Also vaccines seem to be losing efficacy (although massively helping still against severe illness still) - 'A study in Israel 'showed the Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy against infection falling to 39 per cent, and to as low as 16 per cent for people who had their second shots in January.' It's all part of the craziness of letting the virus spread in a partially vaccinated population.

https://www.ft.com/content/23cdbf8c-b5ef-4596-bb46-f510606ab556

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

Good read that thanks for sharing. Its still a fairely new virus we are still learning about it. Nothings for certain at this stage. When they have the science to prove that an unvaccinated person only can transmit the disease then ill be more.on board

you are spouting anti vaccine nonsense. There is plenty evidence that is safer for everyone, if everyone that can has the vaccine but you choose to believe some other crap.

[charlatan]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not attending social events (particularly indoor ones) significantly reduces transmission. Does that mean we shouldn't expect social events to be allowed? Why is this no longer seen as such a moral issue (where once it was) because of vaccination? Should we be castigating those who choose to drink in pubs to a similar degree as those who choose not to get vaccinated? It seems the moral high ground has shifted from self-isolation to vaccination, but I'm not entirely clear why.

[ChicagoLion]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not attending social events (particularly indoor ones) significantly reduces transmission. Does that mean we shouldn't expect social events to be allowed? Why is this no longer seen as such a moral issue (where once it was) because of vaccination? Should we be castigating those who choose to drink in pubs to a similar degree as those who choose not to get vaccinated? It seems the moral high ground has shifted from self-isolation to vaccination, but I'm not entirely clear why.

if you choose not to be vaccinated when you can, then you have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die or become seriously ill.

[Demitri_C]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not sure about that mate. They havent said it significantly reduces transmission just that your better protected

Lots of studies have shown that transmission is lower in vaccinated people. Here's one: https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2107717

This study was carried in Jan/feb before delta became dominant, which is the problem. Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, but if they do then it seems they have the same viral load to pass it on, although exactly what the situation is remains unclear. Also vaccines seem to be losing efficacy (although massively helping still against severe illness still) - 'A study in Israel 'showed the Pfizer vaccine’s efficacy against infection falling to 39 per cent, and to as low as 16 per cent for people who had their second shots in January.' It's all part of the craziness of letting the virus spread in a partially vaccinated population.

https://www.ft.com/content/23cdbf8c-b5ef-4596-bb46-f510606ab556

https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2074

Good read that thanks for sharing. Its still a fairely new virus we are still learning about it. Nothings for certain at this stage. When they have the science to prove that an unvaccinated person only can transmit the disease then ill be more.on board

you are spouting anti vaccine nonsense. There is plenty evidence that is safer for everyone, if everyone that can has the vaccine but you choose to believe some other crap.

Utter nonsense

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

[Demitri_C]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not attending social events (particularly indoor ones) significantly reduces transmission. Does that mean we shouldn't expect social events to be allowed? Why is this no longer seen as such a moral issue (where once it was) because of vaccination? Should we be castigating those who choose to drink in pubs to a similar degree as those who choose not to get vaccinated? It seems the moral high ground has shifted from self-isolation to vaccination, but I'm not entirely clear why.

if you choose not to be vaccinated when you can, then you have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die or become seriously ill.

Can you show us the percentage of how much more that is then as you seem to know everything? 

[charlatan]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not attending social events (particularly indoor ones) significantly reduces transmission. Does that mean we shouldn't expect social events to be allowed? Why is this no longer seen as such a moral issue (where once it was) because of vaccination? Should we be castigating those who choose to drink in pubs to a similar degree as those who choose not to get vaccinated? It seems the moral high ground has shifted from self-isolation to vaccination, but I'm not entirely clear why.

if you choose not to be vaccinated when you can, then you have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die or become seriously ill.

Sure, but if you are vaccinated and you choose to go to the pub regularly then you also have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die, etc. than if you stay at home and watch telly instead.

People used to be criticised by some for socialising, but now it seems that getting vaccinated (as I have) is considered sufficient to have done your bit. I can see why vaccination is preferable to relative self-isolation from an economic pespective, but not from a moral one, so when I hear people calling other twats, etc. for not getting vaccinated I tend to assume they are either somewhat hypocritical or taking a very cautious approach to social engagement.

[Demitri_C]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

Ohhhh hard man talking behind his lil pc in his pjs. What a loser

[dave.woodhall]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

Apologise and pack it in. 

[dave.woodhall]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

Ohhhh hard man talking behind his lil pc in his pjs. What a loser

And that goes for you as well.

[Demitri_C]

You are aware you can catch it off someone vaccinated too right? So you could be sitting next to bob who hasnt been vaccinated or jill who has and you could get it off jill.

The point of the vaccine is to stop you from getting very sick. It doesnt unfortunately stop passing it on. So for me i have no issue with someone non vaccinated being allowed in.

But it significantly reduces transmission.
So people who decide not to be vaccinated should not expect to endanger others.

Not attending social events (particularly indoor ones) significantly reduces transmission. Does that mean we shouldn't expect social events to be allowed? Why is this no longer seen as such a moral issue (where once it was) because of vaccination? Should we be castigating those who choose to drink in pubs to a similar degree as those who choose not to get vaccinated? It seems the moral high ground has shifted from self-isolation to vaccination, but I'm not entirely clear why.

if you choose not to be vaccinated when you can, then you have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die or become seriously ill.

Sure, but if you are vaccinated and you choose to go to the pub regularly then you also have a higher potential to transmit the disease to someone that could die, etc. than if you stay at home and watch telly instead.

People used to be criticised by some for socialising, but now it seems that getting vaccinated (as I have) is considered sufficient to have done your bit. I can see why vaccination is preferable to relative self-isolation from an economic pespective, but not from a moral one, so when I hear people calling other twats, etc. for not getting vaccinated I tend to assume they are either somewhat hypocritical or taking a very cautious approach to social engagement.

They wouldnt have the guts to say it to their faces. Its big talk behind a computer screen.  If you wanna criticse them thats fine. But twats scumbags etc way over the top

[GordonCowansisthegreatest]

Grow up.

[Demitri_C]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

Ohhhh hard man talking behind his lil pc in his pjs. What a loser

And that goes for you as well.

Your right i should not have bited to his post

[dave.woodhall]

You're a twat!! Stop digging.

Ohhhh hard man talking behind his lil pc in his pjs. What a loser

And that goes for you as well.

Your right i should not have bited to his post

Try looking above your post, then I make that two apologies if you don't want to be banned.

[charlatan]

Anyway I assume an answer to the thread title is that it depends on how many of our players are vaccinated, so I hope they all are.