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Title: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villa's season?
Post by: Vill I An on March 05, 2020, 11:02:38 PM
The premier league and the UK government will be looking first and foremost of the safety of all in England.

Football matches having been cancelled in Italy and the threat of an outbreak across England has now seen the premier league banning the pre match fair play hand shakes.
It's also reported that matches will be played behind closed doors.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/05/premier-league-matches-closed-doors-coronavirus-everton

This is both a concerning time in football and in life.



Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 05, 2020, 11:06:09 PM
I hope it doesnít disrupt very much, Vill I An.

I think some newspapers might wind it up.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 05, 2020, 11:10:50 PM
And particularly I should ask how will people support Villa because should we be engaging in public spaces with others if they don't do lock down ?
And if they don't lock down travel and public performances is that more for economic reasons ?
How do the premier league and Aston villa tackle this issue?
Like will the players now not celebrate with one another ?
I think it's all getting out of hand by the media but what's happening in Italy and how they are stopping all their sports could happen here ?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 05, 2020, 11:13:29 PM
We havenít stopped fans from attending matches in the UK yet.

Maybe we just go with the flow.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 05, 2020, 11:23:45 PM
From what I read and heard that it was most likely a mortality issue for elderly or those already very sick.
So the general public would generally recover from this flu .
I do agree with what you say:
 
I hope it doesnít disrupt very much, Vill I An.

I think some newspapers might wind it up.

I just find it very disturbing that it's being made into a major issue and having a great impact on all aspects of life including the football and our club Aston villa.
I would have to conclude it will be disruptive to the season in as much as there will be changes in regular practices be it players or supporters.
The impact of virus hasn't appeared to be an issue for sports players however I'm sure the premier league will have advisors on how to deal with this situation .
I only posted this up as thought it was valid to supporters here as well as the general issue despite it being a football forum.
I'm just wondering if people will be tempted to keep away from matches
Thanks
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 06, 2020, 12:07:56 AM
In Italy games are being played behind closed doors.
That is what will happen in the UK
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2020, 12:12:45 AM
If it gets to the stage where seasons are abandoned or all games are behind closed doors then most likely football wil be the least of most people's worries.
You also have the situation where outside the PL most footbal league/non league clubs will be fucked with playing games and no gate etc money coming in as well as refunding tickets already sold.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Colhint on March 06, 2020, 01:01:30 AM
I would send Jack to Italy on a private jet. Not get off the plane and fly straight back, No one would go near him.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 06, 2020, 05:46:43 AM
I hope this stays in place even  after this scare is over:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51760339

Coronavirus: Premier League ditches pre-match fair-play handshakes
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 06, 2020, 06:33:41 AM
Unprecedented times possibly for large scale events.

It may be relatively inert on people who are fit and well but those with conditions like asthma and older people are extremely vulnerable to this. I believe out of the 10 or so deaths in the USA 7/8 were all in the same care home. Yes the press love this sort of thing, but Big disruption is ahead.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 08:16:18 AM
0.001% of the population have so far caught this mass super spreading virus that is causing worldwide panic.

I fancy my chances of getting through this first global virus since social media has really taken off................
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 06, 2020, 08:18:26 AM
0.001% of the population have so far caught this mass super spreading virus that is causing worldwide panic.

I fancy my chances of getting through this first global virus since social media has really taken off................
Oh, well; that's good to know.
Now, for the rest of us ....
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 08:24:25 AM
0.001% of the population have so far caught this mass super spreading virus that is causing worldwide panic.

I fancy my chances of getting through this first global virus since social media has really taken off................
Oh, well; that's good to know.
Now, for the rest of us ....
Iíll have a bet you will be in the 99.999%.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 06, 2020, 08:48:59 AM
There are no projections that suggest 0.001% of the population will be affected. The number keeps increasing. You can keep acting full Boomer and using this as a stick to beat people who use social media, for some bizarre reason, if you like. I'll continue to listen to all the actual medical experts who are calling this a crisis. Because it is.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 09:00:42 AM
So far 0.001% of the population have been infected.

In China, the epicentre, 0.005% of the population has been infected.

New cases in China are declining.

3,000 people have died.

Swine flu killed between 150,000 and 550,000. I do not remember this mass panic then.

Social media and 24 hour news media has caused mass panic.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 06, 2020, 09:06:12 AM
There are no projections that suggest 0.001% of the population will be affected. The number keeps increasing. You can keep acting full Boomer and using this as a stick to beat people who use social media, for some bizarre reason, if you like. I'll continue to listen to all the actual medical experts who are calling this a crisis. Because it is.

Well said.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 06, 2020, 09:18:58 AM
So far 0.001% of the population have been infected.

In China, the epicentre, 0.005% of the population has been infected.

New cases in China are declining.

3,000 people have died.

Swine flu killed between 150,000 and 550,000. I do not remember this mass panic then.

Social media and 24 hour news media has caused mass panic.

So all the Doctors are just after Facebook likes? It is declining in China because they are taking the sort of action that you would no doubt consider a massive overreaction if other countries followed suit. But which is probably what is needed.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2020, 09:32:02 AM
So far 0.001% of the population have been infected.

In China, the epicentre, 0.005% of the population has been infected.

New cases in China are declining.

3,000 people have died.

Swine flu killed between 150,000 and 550,000. I do not remember this mass panic then.

Social media and 24 hour news media has caused mass panic.

Lots of people are going to catch it, and lots of older people with health conditions are going to be at serious risk of dying from it.  That includes some of our older friends on here, and lots of our parents and family friends.  My dad is in his seventies, has a bad heart and has beaten cancer twice, if he gets it, it could be a 1 in 10 chance of dying.  Imagine somebody says to you, there are ten balls in this bag, 9 white and 1 black, if you pull out the black ball you're going to die. Wouldn't be so keen on playing along would you?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 09:43:33 AM
Of course not, but with all due to respect to your father he has an extremely small chance of catching it. Like all of us.

We all have far more chance of developing standard pneumonia, around 0.345% based on figures I have just read. Coronavirus cases would have to increase over 300 fold worldwide to fall in line with this. An unlikely scenario.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 06, 2020, 09:51:57 AM
The point is Ugo for all other issues you are providing stats for we have solutions for Corona we donít  and therefore itís a concern. Quoting Wuhan figures in context of total population of China is also not helpful.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 10:00:57 AM
The point is Ugo for all other issues you are providing stats for we have solutions for Corona we donít and therefore itís a concern. Quoting Wuhan figures in context of total population of China is also not helpful.
What is your solution for pneumonia? Especially in those with underlying health issues?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2020, 10:48:52 AM
Of course not, but with all due to respect to your father he has an extremely small chance of catching it. Like all of us.

We all have far more chance of developing standard pneumonia, around 0.345% based on figures I have just read. Coronavirus cases would have to increase over 300 fold worldwide to fall in line with this. An unlikely scenario.

I don't think your percentages are really based on very much are they?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ugo on March 06, 2020, 11:11:54 AM
Of course not, but with all due to respect to your father he has an extremely small chance of catching it. Like all of us.

We all have far more chance of developing standard pneumonia, around 0.345% based on figures I have just read. Coronavirus cases would have to increase over 300 fold worldwide to fall in line with this. An unlikely scenario.

I don't think your percentages are really based on very much are they?
Well that particular one was based on reported cases from the British Lung Foundation.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Risso on March 06, 2020, 11:18:42 AM
I mean the chances of us catching it being low.  They're clearly not, or won't be.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 06, 2020, 11:25:40 AM
I hope this stays in place even  after this scare is over:
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/51760339

Coronavirus: Premier League ditches pre-match fair-play handshakes

Interesting isn't it that decision has been taken.
I imagine this is the same for managers ? And when the players toss off (don't!) with the ref and officials.
I think the fist pump or elbow touch will be the replacement for handshakes
I also hear that for the fair play pre match players will still walk past each other at this  on pitch  line up. But it's no handshake just acknowledging and respect!

I wonder how the players will be in the tunnel with each other . No touchy feely?
How players will be when helping another up and how players , mangers and coaching staff and supporters be when celebrating ?
Are we to give as much space and distance ,as our midfield and defense does, to one another ?

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 06, 2020, 11:33:18 AM
Just have the players wear gloves.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 06, 2020, 12:01:22 PM
I'm currently re-watching my boxset of 'Survivors' (1975-77).
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 06, 2020, 12:08:57 PM
There will be a fixture pile up for us
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 06, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
Just have the players wear gloves.

Anwar gets his on from September
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 06, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
I'm currently re-watching my boxset of 'Survivors' (1975-77).

I remember it being very dark and candle-lit.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 06, 2020, 12:54:41 PM
Just have the players wear gloves.

And the ones that already do have to wear two pairs.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 06, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
I'm currently re-watching my boxset of 'Survivors' (1975-77).

I remember it being very dark and candle-lit.

Only some of the night scenes 😂

I'm currently picking up some survival tips, should I be lucky enough to be one of the 10% that make it through. 😉
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 06, 2020, 02:36:18 PM
You don't want to worry about Coronavirus. Big fuck off asteroid falling from the sky, that's what you want to worry about. Proper carnage guaranteed.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 06, 2020, 04:40:48 PM
Pleasing to see how the spirit and eternal optimism of Corporal Jones lives on.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: fredm on March 07, 2020, 11:09:22 AM
I think it is a bit OTT that they are not shaking hands prior to kick off and just wonder what is going to happen at dead ball situations?  No holding at corners? Centre forwards/backs not jostling for goal kicks upfield?  I wonder. Also perhaps they might ban all spitting that would certainly be a good start.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: algy on March 08, 2020, 08:43:30 AM
Looking at what's going on in Italy at the moment, I expect we'll see some level of action fairly soon. I'd be working on a 50:50 chance of the season finishing close-to-normal, maybe with just over 70s told to avoid the last few games of the season.

I think the start of next season may end up being severely disrupted, mind. It's one thing finishing off the last half dozen matches when the virus hasn't properly look hold, another thing entirely if it's become a pandemic. Depends on if we manage to deal with it over the summer, but I can see either games being played behind closed doors, or some cup competitions being suspended so that the season can start later in the year.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 08, 2020, 09:26:45 AM
Looking at what's going on in Italy at the moment, I expect we'll see some level of action fairly soon. I'd be working on a 50:50 chance of the season finishing close-to-normal, maybe with just over 70s told to avoid the last few games of the season.

Don't know if Roy Hodgson agrees with that including the visit  on the 27th April !
I don't think it's as simple as telling over 70s because the virus can be spread then any human can be passing on.
It's either a full blown lock down and close doors or open house with safety measures.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 08, 2020, 09:31:34 AM
Depends on if we manage to deal with it over the summer, but I can see either games being played behind closed doors, or some cup competitions being suspended so that the season can start later in the year.

Very interesting point and , out of interest, who do you reference as 'we'.
Because the European men's international tournament starting in June in Italy Rome And the tournament is to be played in 12 European countries including UK
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: algy on March 08, 2020, 11:41:45 AM
Depends on if we manage to deal with it over the summer, but I can see either games being played behind closed doors, or some cup competitions being suspended so that the season can start later in the year.

Very interesting point and , out of interest, who do you reference as 'we'.
Because the European men's international tournament starting in June in Italy Rome And the tournament is to be played in 12 European countries including UK
'we' - the UK as a whole, I guess. I was meaning more to delay the start of the season by removing fixtures from the fixture lists, and reducing cup competitions seems to be the easiest way to achieve that. I'd not covered (or considered) the Olympics or Euro 20, cos they don't really affect the Villa.

Ideally I think you'd want to avoid playing games behind closed doors unless there really wasn't another option. It might not make a massive financial difference in the PL thanks to the TV revenue, but further down the divisions it'll risk putting clubs out of business of you remove that stream of income.

Going off topic, Euro 20 - ordinarily I'd say postpone it to 2021, but the WC in Qatar will make the fixtures a nightmare, so probably playing behind close doors makes more sense seeing as it'll be on TV anyway, so gate receipts less critical.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 06:53:32 AM
Looking at our fixtures, the wokves home game looks very likley to be ine of the games played behind closed doors.

That absolutely sucks
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 09, 2020, 08:07:34 AM
Already feels like a long time since we had a home PL game  ,I've a feeling this weekend's fixtures could be behind closed doors depending on what stage we're at towards the end of the week

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: CT on March 09, 2020, 08:16:15 AM
Looking at what's going on in Italy at the moment, I expect we'll see some level of action fairly soon. I'd be working on a 50:50 chance of the season finishing close-to-normal, maybe with just over 70s told to avoid the last few games of the season.

I think the start of next season may end up being severely disrupted, mind. It's one thing finishing off the last half dozen matches when the virus hasn't properly look hold, another thing entirely if it's become a pandemic. Depends on if we manage to deal with it over the summer, but I can see either games being played behind closed doors, or some cup competitions being suspended so that the season can start later in the year.

I heard on the news this morning that there were 17 flights from Milan to the UK yesterday with absolutely no checks on anyone on those planes.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 09, 2020, 08:47:36 AM
After tonight, I think thereís a very good chance that none of us will be witnessing first hand Aston Villa playing live again this season.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Kingthing on March 09, 2020, 08:48:20 AM
Scrap the League and write this one off, We stay up, Liverpool have to try again next year.

Anyone for Cricket?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 09, 2020, 08:54:50 AM
Its probably a good time to ban half and half scarves.
Not for coronavirus but just because they are shit.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2020, 08:56:31 AM
Its probably a good time to ban half and half scarves.
Not for coronavirus but just because they are shit.

I hope they don't ban Nescafe handshakes, or my primary method of communication will go up the spout.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villan For Life on March 09, 2020, 09:01:15 AM
Scrap the League and write this one off, We stay up, Liverpool have to try again next year.

Anyone for Cricket?

This. Imagine the collective angst in Liverpool, it would play right into their perennial victims psyche.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 09, 2020, 09:05:38 AM
Its probably a good time to ban half and half scarves.
Not for coronavirus but just because they are shit.

I hope they don't ban Nescafe handshakes, or my primary method of communication will go up the spout.

West Ham and Chelsea fans offering each other out but remaining metres apart obviously saw this coming.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: darren woolley on March 09, 2020, 11:06:42 AM
I really hope it doesn't affect any of our games.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 09, 2020, 11:52:09 AM
It's affected me and my lad. He was supposed to be mascot tonight but Villa have made the decision to restrict access to the players from the public. All other games in the Prem had mascots the weekend so bit annoying. Promised another game though when it's all blown over.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 09, 2020, 12:40:05 PM
The Government are partly to blame for the spread of the Disease.They have allowed flights to arrive unchecked from Northern Italy for weeks!
 
People keep laughing the situation off "it's only a cold" but it's a worrying time for those of us that work in the Travel/Leisure/Entertainment industry. Virtually all shows at the NEC have been postponed putting hundreds of Casual Workers out of work for a few months

I'd be very surprised if we see Villa in action at Villa Park this weekend and the knock on from that means lots of staff without pay and 40,000 people frustrated they can't see their Team in action. I wonder if Season Ticket Holders will be refunded for the games that end up being played behind closed doors?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mallo on March 09, 2020, 01:07:10 PM
I would have thought that if someone in the team or close to them gets it then they'll probably all get it, which could force the FA to make some rules up on the spot. I would think it's probably 50:50 at the moment before someone in the premier league gets it. My stats that is, nothing sensible.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 01:23:21 PM
It's affected me and my lad. He was supposed to be mascot tonight but Villa have made the decision to restrict access to the players from the public. All other games in the Prem had mascots the weekend so bit annoying. Promised another game though when it's all blown over.

Oh no ! Like to think that will be honoured and when occasion comes will be enjoyable and maybe some luck brought too !!
Let us know updates when you get the match.
And sorry to hear that isn't going ahead tonight for you and son
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 01:54:37 PM
All French league one games to be played behind closed doors for at least 4 weeks just announced. Only a matter if time until it happens here as well.

This could have massive implications for us.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 09, 2020, 02:10:03 PM
Cancel the Euros till next year, bin next years Nations League rubbish and suspend the league for a month.

The prospect of not being able to go and watch us, speaking as an addict, is making my teeth itch. Far better to inconvenience Ingerlund.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Newby on March 09, 2020, 02:15:30 PM
Prem games to go on as normal.  I reckon they might review this in a few weeks if things get worse.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 02:42:19 PM
Cancel the Euros till next year, bin next years Nations League rubbish and suspend the league for a month.

The prospect of not being able to go and watch us, speaking as an addict, is making my teeth itch. Far better to inconvenience Ingerlund.

Id be in favour of this
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 03:04:18 PM
All French league one games to be played behind closed doors for at least 4 weeks just announced. Only a matter if time until it happens here as well.

This could have massive implications for us.

So do you see UK doing same ?
Restrictions and lock downs ?
Italy have locks down places and eventually I guess England will see to follow others in Europe .

This thread was started as reports suggested from a footballing point of view that the virus could well determine how football behaves.
Heightened concerns , with reason, in society can only carry further implications as you say
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 03:08:08 PM
Prem games to go on as normal.  I reckon they might review this in a few weeks if things get worse.
Well things being worse isn't good for anyone
And I think responsibility and prevention to things getting worse needs to be taken into account.
Go the way of Italian Serie A

I certainly don't see England Italy being played as they won't play it behind closed doors so it will probably be cancels at end of month.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: aev on March 09, 2020, 07:22:30 PM
What happens if a couple of players test positive - presumably you then have team mates having to self isolate?

I reckon there is a decent chance of that they would then cancel the season.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: LukeJames on March 09, 2020, 07:28:24 PM
Wolves game on Thursday in Greece now behind closed doors
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 10, 2020, 09:03:25 AM
It's affected me and my lad. He was supposed to be mascot tonight but Villa have made the decision to restrict access to the players from the public. All other games in the Prem had mascots the weekend so bit annoying. Promised another game though when it's all blown over.

Oh no ! Like to think that will be honoured and when occasion comes will be enjoyable and maybe some luck brought too !!
Let us know updates when you get the match.
And sorry to hear that isn't going ahead tonight for you and son

Thanks for that. He was gutted, especially as Leicester had 4 mascots out there kicking about on the pitch before the game which he should have been doing too. Made no sense to me as the Leicester mascots walked past our players anyway!

Credit to Leicester though, I had emailed them to say George couldn't do it and they put a message on the screen and read it out on the tannoy saying "A special warm welcome tonight to George Davies, we hope you have a great night" which I thought was a great touch.

They have said he will be first choice for an away game once it is all over just sad to think it may be next season now and he really wanted to walk out with Jack. :(
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 09:14:04 AM
They also had about 50 kids holding up that giant Leicester shirt.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 10, 2020, 09:19:52 AM
They also had about 50 kids holding up that giant Leicester shirt.

Yep, yet my one lad couldn't be near the players. Daft one.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 10, 2020, 10:46:19 AM
 "How much will lack of coaching and tactics disrupt Aston Villa season?"
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 10, 2020, 10:52:58 AM
I'm hoping the league is deemed null and void tonight by it. Then we can relive this shitfest all over again.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 11:07:44 AM
Credit to the team for keeping at least 1.5 metres from whoever they were supposed to be marking last night, at all times.  Is there a fair play award we can get for such a lovely gesture?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: BC Villain on March 10, 2020, 12:34:22 PM
Forest and Olympkiacos owner has now confirmed he has coronavirus.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2020, 12:41:09 PM
Credit to the team for keeping at least 1.5 metres from whoever they were supposed to be marking last night, at all times.  Is there a fair play award we can get for such a lovely gesture?

Dark comedy that.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 10, 2020, 01:30:20 PM
What a real depressing start to 2020

The Australian wild fires,Brexit,Huge Tory Majority,Coronavirus just tops it off

Oh and we all follow the Villa.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 01:32:04 PM
The brilliant Conservative result happened last year.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 10, 2020, 01:52:15 PM
brilliant otherwise we'd be running low on loo roll and cats and dogs.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 03:07:59 PM
It's affected me and my lad. He was supposed to be mascot tonight but Villa have made the decision to restrict access to the players from the public. All other games in the Prem had mascots the weekend so bit annoying. Promised another game though when it's all blown over.

Oh no ! Like to think that will be honoured and when occasion comes will be enjoyable and maybe some luck brought too !!
Let us know updates when you get the match.
And sorry to hear that isn't going ahead tonight for you and son

Thanks for that. He was gutted, especially as Leicester had 4 mascots out there kicking about on the pitch before the game which he should have been doing too. Made no sense to me as the Leicester mascots walked past our players anyway!

Credit to Leicester though, I had emailed them to say George couldn't do it and they put a message on the screen and read it out on the tannoy saying "A special warm welcome tonight to George Davies, we hope you have a great night" which I thought was a great touch.

They have said he will be first choice for an away game once it is all over just sad to think it may be next season now and he really wanted to walk out with Jack. :(

Nice touch by Leicester for acknowledging.
Good wishes for when does get the gigg!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: oldhill_avfc on March 10, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
brilliant otherwise we'd be running low on loo roll and cats and dogs.

And Dianne Abbott would be doing the stats - villa would be mid table and no virus
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 10, 2020, 04:10:29 PM
I think this is going to get extremely serious unfortunately, as much as I will grasp at any straw to buy some time for Villa, this wouldn't be something I would wish for, a lot of people will die with this, the naysayers, with the. ''don't panic Mr Mannering'', approach or that this in some way is some kind of conspiracy to polish of an aged demo graph is quickly proving to be very wrong, I have always thought when you see people wondering around sanitising places like China, fully kitted out to try and stop infection, one of the most secretive countries on the planet happy to have camera's everywhere all of a sudden,  the open admittance by government that they have lost control, as in Italy, the entire shut down of a country, the collapse of the money markets the threat of global recession, you know this is somewhat more serious than Flu.     
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 04:56:00 PM
https://www.nottinghamforest.co.uk/news/2020/march/club-statement/

As well as the owner being tested positive the whole Nottingham Forest squad have been tested for virus

And Millwall have confirmed that Senior club representatives who came into contact with forest owner Mr Marinakis have all begun a period of self isolation, as per government advice.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2020, 10:37:30 PM
Quote
Matches in the top two divisions in Spain and France are to be played behind closed doors because of coronavirus concerns.

La Liga announced its ruling will affect the next two rounds of fixtures while the French league said fans will be banned until 15 April.

La Liga said it acted on guidance from Spain's ministry of health.

The French government announced on Sunday a ban on all gatherings of more than 1,000 people.

In Germany, Borussia Monchengladbach's Bundesliga tie against Cologne on Wednesday night will take place behind close doors, as will five of the nine top-flight matches over the weekend.

Union Berlin's match against Bayern Munich on Saturday will go ahead with fans present, but the status of the other three games is yet to be decided.

Germany's health minister Jens Spahn has called for gatherings of more than 1,000 people to be cancelled and several regional governments have issued such bans.

Barcelona's Champions League match against Napoli on 18 March will also be played at an empty Nou Camp.

"The decision has been made strictly for health reasons," said Joan Guix, Catalunya government's health chief.

It is the second Spanish-Italian Champions League fixture at which supporters have been banned, following Valencia versus Atalanta on Tuesday.

Sevilla's match against Roma and Getafe's game with Inter Milan in the Europa League have suffered the same fate.

Paris St-Germain's Champions League match against Borussia Dortmund on Wednesday will also be closed to fans.

The Spanish players' union AFE have called for the suspension of all men's and women's football in the country.

In letters to the Higher Sports Council, Spanish football federation (RFEF) and La Liga, it said the request was "exclusively about the health of the players" the body represents.

"In addition, playing in stadiums closed to the public for several weeks undermines the meaning of sports competitions," AFE added.

All sport in Italy has been suspended until at least 3 April because of coronavirus. The ruling includes Serie A matches but not Italian clubs or national teams participating in international competitions.

Germany's international friendly with Italy in Nuremberg on 31 March will also be played behind closed doors. England are due to play Italy at Wembley four days earlier.

Manchester United's Europa League last-16 first leg match at LASK Linz in Austria on Thursday is another match that will be played without fans.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: andyh on March 10, 2020, 10:50:35 PM
I think Pepe Reina is a bigger threat to our wellbeing than any bloody virus.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:05:45 PM
Closed doors is bollocks. Suspend the leagues you daft whoppers.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 11:08:21 PM
Have they ever suspended the football league outside of world war years ?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 10, 2020, 11:08:51 PM
Suspend the leagues till when? Is this gonna be sorted in a few weeks?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:10:36 PM
As long as it takes. Playing it behind closed doors is utterly shite. Football without fans? What's the point.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 10, 2020, 11:12:20 PM
Itís going to be difficult for the lower leagues to play games and incur expenses without the income from crowds.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 10, 2020, 11:20:32 PM
As long as it takes. Playing it behind closed doors is utterly shite. Football without fans? What's the point.

Well, Serie A are talking about not finishing the season. One of the options is just leaving the table as it is.

If the Premier League took that option, we would be relegated. Our only chance of survival is completing the season, or at least playing enough games to get to the giddy heights of seventeenth.

I can't see them just delaying the season indefinitely. You would have the European competitions starting without knowing which teams are in them. That makes no sense.

Now, obviously, I hope we finish the season properly in front of crowds. But I'd rather play in front of empty stadia than risk relegation by default.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2020, 11:25:05 PM
Finishing the season and basing titles/relegation/promotion on current position would be shit and unfair to loads of clubs, and i'd say that if we were 14th. I think they'd carry the season on with games behind closed doors. But as I said earlier in the thread that will completely fuck lower/non league clubs if they have no spectators.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 10, 2020, 11:31:36 PM
I don't disagree, though I think England would be okay as the Premier League would bung clubs lower down some money, under pressure. Other countries would see more bankruptcies.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 10, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
You'd hope there'd be something in place but these days i'm not convinced that the right thing will always be done. And how far down the pyramid do you go? Portsmouth, Sunderland and Ipswich in div 3 all average more than top flight Bournemouth, as do div 4 Bradford.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 11:42:05 PM
As long as it takes. Playing it behind closed doors is utterly shite. Football without fans? What's the point.

Well, Serie A are talking about not finishing the season. One of the options is just leaving the table as it is.

If the Premier League took that option, we would be relegated. Our only chance of survival is completing the season, or at least playing enough games to get to the giddy heights of seventeenth.

I can't see them just delaying the season indefinitely. You would have the European competitions starting without knowing which teams are in them. That makes no sense.

Now, obviously, I hope we finish the season properly in front of crowds. But I'd rather play in front of empty stadia than risk relegation by default.

You had me at paragraph 1. Don't finish the season. Let's pretend it didn't happen.

The potential hilarity of Monday night 5 aside with 6 or 7 Scouse season ticket holders would cause both my testicles to fall off through laughter. And we would stay up loike.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 10, 2020, 11:44:26 PM
It would be hilarious, but we know it isn't going to happen. Only season not to finish was 1939-40, and they had only played three games.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 11, 2020, 05:05:26 AM
Arsenal players are in isolation and their game v's Man City has been postponed.  This is starting to unravel. I think this will move quickly now.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 11, 2020, 06:24:28 AM
If games get postponed whatís the max time this could occur without scrapping the leagues? 2-3 weeks? This is going to get a lot worse and I expect we are going to have to have closed doors games. Either that or scrap it and put the teams into playoff games to decide promotion/relegation (god knows how that could work either, teams would commence legal challenges etc) . Unprecedented times
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: andyh on March 11, 2020, 06:28:48 AM
Given John Percys piece about Chelsea being the crux game for Smith, Iíll bet heís hoping someone at the club is sneezing during training today.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 11, 2020, 06:28:55 AM
There's still a quarter of the season to play but with the Euro's the timings mean they've not got much wriggle room.

It'll have to be closed doors I think, can't see anything being scrapped.  Thing is, once it starts and games begin to be postponed it's hard to see where you'd re-arrange.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Fred Crump on March 11, 2020, 06:42:10 AM
Just stop the season now and select the teams to stay up in alphabetical order
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2020, 06:54:33 AM
I would not be surprised if ALL football was cancelled this weekend.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2020, 07:09:01 AM
I would not be surprised if ALL football was cancelled this weekend.

We've not played football since January. Villa once again, blazing the trail.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 11, 2020, 07:18:12 AM
The cynic in me suggesting they have postponed City-Arsenal to keep the "title race" going for another week or so....
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 11, 2020, 07:31:35 AM
Apparently at valencia last night thousands of fans turned up outside stadium, stayed there the whole night...kind of defeats the idea of playing to empty stadiums.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 11, 2020, 07:33:49 AM
If games get postponed whatís the max time this could occur without scrapping the leagues? 2-3 weeks? This is going to get a lot worse and I expect we are going to have to have closed doors games. Either that or scrap it and put the teams into playoff games to decide promotion/relegation (god knows how that could work either, teams would commence legal challenges etc) . Unprecedented times
It's not just the fans. If it gets into the players (even a smattering across the Leagues) football is finished for the next few months.
Eventually promotion/relegation or neither may well be an issue for the Courts.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 11, 2020, 07:53:45 AM
Cancel the season and make promotion/relegation  based upon positions now? Do the playoffs in the Summer. Pay out massive compensation to all teams that could mathematically have stayed up etc. Give Liverpool the title and let fans tease them forevermore About their tainted trophy.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 11, 2020, 07:56:40 AM
Cancel the season and make promotion/relegation  based upon positions now? Do the playoffs in the Summer. Pay out massive compensation to all teams that could mathematically have stayed up etc. Give Liverpool the title and let fans tease them forevermore About their tainted trophy.
Voiding the entire season would be more likely?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 08:13:52 AM
The Premier League game between Manchester City and Arsenal at the Etihad Stadium on Wednesday has been postponed ďas a precautionary measureĒ due to the coronavirus outbreak, the Premier League has said. Following the news that Olympiakos owner Evangelos Marinakis had contracted the virus, Arsenal confirmed that an unspecified number of unnamed players met Marinakis after their Europa League tie on the 27 February and that those players are now in self-isolation.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 11, 2020, 08:22:46 AM
The Premier League are not going g to take any affirmative  steps. It will cost them too much money if they do so they will wait for government to stop football and compensate clubs.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2020, 08:27:36 AM
I think you are spot on as always aftab.  Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.  The League will try to stall until they are given orders by Government.  Then get the taxpayers to foot the bill.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: brian green on March 11, 2020, 08:31:37 AM
The back story of course is the players contracting the disease.  Whatever arrangements are made they still depend on clubs having enough players to field a team.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: VillaSpen on March 11, 2020, 08:34:45 AM
End the season now and forever have an asterisk next to Liverpool's status as champions.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
Dean Smith went to Rome during the mid season break.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 11, 2020, 09:01:37 AM
The Premier League game between Manchester City and Arsenal at the Etihad Stadium on Wednesday has been postponed ďas a precautionary measureĒ due to the coronavirus outbreak, the Premier League has said. Following the news that Olympiakos owner Evangelos Marinakis had contracted the virus, Arsenal confirmed that an unspecified number of unnamed players met Marinakis after their Europa League tie on the 27 February and that those players are now in self-isolation.
He also owns Forest, I think.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mallo on March 11, 2020, 09:09:05 AM
If anyone at Wolves gets symptoms I think we'll be on a roll to Euro fixtures stopping. Probably games behind closed doors next but the physical and close contact of the game means thats fairly pointless when it's the players who 'earn' the gates and create the spectacle. Ultimately it might come down to politics - if the Premier League continue and the Govt say nothing, what happens if a footballers relative dies due to infection? I would hope safety would come first over sport, which ultimately is enjoyment (although I understand it has a lot of peripheral businesses relying on it).
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: LukeJames on March 11, 2020, 09:12:07 AM
Dean Smith went to Rome during the mid season break.

In a Ford Mondeo?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 11, 2020, 09:13:25 AM
They could move the Euro's to 2021 which UEFA is considering and resume leagues in May/June/July
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Perthvillan on March 11, 2020, 09:32:44 AM
When war was declared in September 1939 the Football League season was only three games old.
The 1939/40 season was abandoned and there was no league football for seven years.
When The Football League recommended in August 1946 the same set of fixtures were used from the abandoned 1939/40 season which means that they were virtually replaying that incomplete season.
I know it's a stretch but I think this current season 2019/20 should be abandoned and recommended from August 2020.
We could sign a few decent PL quality players in the summer and go again.
Liverpool might have to wait another 30 years to win a title too.
The precedent exists for this to happen although it was a long time ago and before the PL existed.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 11, 2020, 09:34:25 AM
I think theyíve got to cancel all games/events/gatherings for the next couple of weeks and rearrange.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 11, 2020, 09:40:18 AM
I think the cancellation of the season is fast becoming a reality, this virus spreads faster than flood water, its even into the political parties now which says even aliens from a galaxy far far away can be exposed to this, nobody on this planet can make me believe these morons running us, as we see today, ( Budget) are from this world.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 11, 2020, 09:43:05 AM
I think the cancellation of the season is fast becoming a reality, this virus spreads faster than flood water, its even into the political parties now which says even aliens from a galaxy far far away can be exposed to this, nobody on this planet can make me believe these morons running us, as we see today, ( Budget) are from this world.

Agree, I think itís inevitable.

I think Chelsea will be our last game of the season.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 11, 2020, 09:46:00 AM
I think the cancellation of the season is fast becoming a reality, this virus spreads faster than flood water, its even into the political parties now which says even aliens from a galaxy far far away can be exposed to this, nobody on this planet can make me believe these morons running us, as we see today, ( Budget) are from this world.

Agree, I think itís inevitable.

I think Chelsea will be our last game of the season.

Will we be doing a lap of appreciation? 
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 11, 2020, 09:57:34 AM
I think the cancellation of the season is fast becoming a reality, this virus spreads faster than flood water, its even into the political parties now which says even aliens from a galaxy far far away can be exposed to this, nobody on this planet can make me believe these morons running us, as we see today, ( Budget) are from this world.

Agree, I think itís inevitable.

I think Chelsea will be our last game of the season.

Will we be doing a lap of appreciation? 

I havenít really done anything to warrant it.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 11, 2020, 10:03:49 AM
Right well itís become the must win of all must wins then.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 11, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Cancel the season now. All teams with a game in hand get 3 points to even out the table....
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2020, 10:26:54 AM
Do you think that they will bring back the Pools Panel (for those old enough to remember) who will guess the scores for all the remaining games - I still reckon we would be relegated!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 11, 2020, 10:39:38 AM
Do you think that they will bring back the Pools Panel (for those old enough to remember) who will guess the scores for all the remaining games - I still reckon we would be relegated!
They will be hearing off some very rich people's lawyers if they try that one.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2020, 10:59:19 AM
If the season is stopped, there's a shit-load of court appearances going to happen. If it's not, and games are played behind closed doors, it will be crap and soulless. Football is about the supporters after all... I can imagine SKY charging pay-per-view to show every game live.

I'm sure there will be some rule somewhere about what happens, but as has been said, who'd make a decision until told to by the powers that be.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: exigo on March 11, 2020, 11:01:31 AM
Serie A are contemplating using the current standings as the final table. We absolutely have to win on Saturday and get out of the bottom three, just in case.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 11, 2020, 11:14:51 AM
Serie A are contemplating using the current standings as the final table. We absolutely have to win on Saturday and get out of the bottom three, just in case.

Yes, and play our game in hand. All teams should finish with equal games.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 11, 2020, 11:16:33 AM
Would playing behind closed doors be better for us. Maybe the players would feel less pressure, that training ground atmosphere that our players seem to revel in, maybe the opposition would lack intensity, more chance of gaining points away. There are cases to be made for it helping us.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 11, 2020, 11:19:02 AM
I think this is going to get extremely serious unfortunately, as much as I will grasp at any straw to buy some time for Villa, this wouldn't be something I would wish for, a lot of people will die with this, the naysayers, with the. ''don't panic Mr Mannering'', approach or that this in some way is some kind of conspiracy to polish of an aged demo graph is quickly proving to be very wrong, I have always thought when you see people wondering around sanitising places like China, fully kitted out to try and stop infection, one of the most secretive countries on the planet happy to have camera's everywhere all of a sudden,  the open admittance by government that they have lost control, as in Italy, the entire shut down of a country, the collapse of the money markets the threat of global recession, you know this is somewhat more serious than Flu.     

ďCaptain MainwaringĒ.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 11:24:18 AM
0.001% of the population have so far caught this mass super spreading virus that is causing worldwide panic.

I fancy my chances of getting through this first global virus since social media has really taken off................

That's rather crass Ugo
What are your revised views now
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2020, 11:25:07 AM
Would playing behind closed doors be better for us. Maybe the players would feel less pressure, that training ground atmosphere that our players seem to revel in, maybe the opposition would lack intensity, more chance of gaining points away. There are cases to be made for it helping us.

It's a good point to be fair.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 11, 2020, 11:35:00 AM
Training ground atmosphere - we better not involve Drinkwater and Jota in any games!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 11, 2020, 12:02:20 PM
We only see what's put on Pravda, happy smiling faces...not the alleged head butts and fights
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 11, 2020, 12:31:59 PM
If they end the season early, the relegated teams should be awarded massive financial compensation by the other 17 clubs, and be exempted from FFP for a season. That should sweeten the pill a bit.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 11, 2020, 12:48:39 PM
If the season is stopped, there's a shit-load of court appearances going to happen. If it's not, and games are played behind closed doors, it will be crap and soulless. Football is about the supporters after all... I can imagine SKY charging pay-per-view to show every game live.

I'm sure there will be some rule somewhere about what happens, but as has been said, who'd make a decision until told to by the powers that be.
They can only play behind closed doors if actual players aren't infected.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: amfy on March 11, 2020, 12:49:09 PM
If they actually just used the current table as the final table we would literally have been relegated by being in a Cup Final which would be an amazing twist into reality of the age old Ďhypothetical choiceí
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 11, 2020, 12:51:57 PM
One of the options Serie A are considering if they do decide to cancel the season is playoffs to decide titles/relegation etc. Although when those games would be played is another problem considering they'd have cancelled football.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Chipsticks on March 11, 2020, 01:06:18 PM
One of the options Serie A are considering if they do decide to cancel the season is playoffs to decide titles/relegation etc. Although when those games would be played is another problem considering they'd have cancelled football.

The only conceivable solution I can imagine is:

- The Premier League season postponed until further notice
- Resumes Once Covid-19 has died down
- If this conflicts with the Euro's, I imagine the winter break period will be messed with to ensure fixtures can be crammed in
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: CT on March 11, 2020, 01:23:53 PM
Completely void this season and all previous results.

Then start again in August, virus permitting. Seems sensible and fair to me 😏
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 11, 2020, 01:30:29 PM
Finish the season with all games played five-a-side over Easter weekend.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ironmaidenmania on March 11, 2020, 01:32:47 PM
Pick a fan of each team, play the games using FIFA 20 and input those scores into the final table. We can all watch on Youtube and we might stay up!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mallo on March 11, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
In Spain they're involving the players union in the choice - could be interesting. I think playoffs for relegation isn't a bad shout.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 02:41:33 PM
So in UK I read it as matches would be go behind closed doors- no fans attending -rather than totally cancelled as the broadcasting TV would still want to show .
Some postponement but like the European comps playing behind closed doors.
The talk too of give subsidence to the lower league to cover costs in the loss of match attending fees.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 11, 2020, 03:42:52 PM
One player from each team to play dead legs against opposition teams. I nominate Tyrone Mings.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 11, 2020, 03:56:37 PM
Finish the season and let me decide who is relegated from the Premier League.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 11, 2020, 05:11:24 PM
Itís officially a pandemic now, so letís just postpone everything and start again next season. No relegations for anyone, it wouldnít be fair in the circumstances and would also give the authorities a chance to sort VAR out for next season as well. Win win all round.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2020, 05:15:57 PM
So much for our a Home Games being important.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 11, 2020, 09:35:48 PM
Itís officially a pandemic now, so letís just postpone everything and start again next season. No relegations for anyone, it wouldnít be fair in the circumstances and would also give the authorities a chance to sort VAR out for next season as well. Win win all round.

Gets my vote.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Merge this season and next. 76 game season to ensure that those who've done well retain their advantages and vice versa. Job done.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 11, 2020, 10:26:57 PM
So far 0.001% of the population have been infected.

In China, the epicentre, 0.005% of the population has been infected.

New cases in China are declining.

3,000 people have died.

Swine flu killed between 150,000 and 550,000. I do not remember this mass panic then.

Social media and 24 hour news media has caused mass panic.
it's also worth checking out just how many people die each year in England and Wales from Flu related ailments - it's measured in thousands .....I don't recall the press or news outlets  releasing daily figures of newly diagnosed flu patients previously - it's obviously concerning, especially for vulnerable people ( I fit into that category as a diabetic) but there does appear to be an attempt to cause widespread panic for some reason .
I find it odd that people are "scared to shake hands" but will then jump into a car and drive at 80mph on a motorway and not see the risk - I've heard of builders/operatives concerned about entering clients homes because of the exposure to the virus but will merrily drill into Asbestos Insulating Board without PPE
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mallo on March 11, 2020, 10:35:19 PM
Juve player tested positive - needs to stop now in Italy - there will bound to be more as they wonít know they had it
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 11, 2020, 11:48:09 PM
Times reporting could be announced tomorrow that all games go behind closed doors

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 11, 2020, 11:49:41 PM
Odds on Arsenal making the Champions League tumble.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2020, 12:01:28 AM
No way will Euros happen this summer.

Would give all leagues flexibility to play into June at least if the virus spread eventually slows.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 12, 2020, 12:25:23 AM
No way will Euros happen this summer.

Would give all leagues flexibility to play into June at least if the virus spread eventually slows.

No chance with them spread over numerous countries , they be lucky to finish the champs league/europa  league 
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 12:32:45 AM
A decision to make all games in the PL behind closed doors is imminent apparently.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 12:35:38 AM
Utter bollocks. Bang goes home advantage. Suspend the fucking thing.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 12, 2020, 12:52:43 AM
Considering our away form is shocking so i'm in favour of teams losing their home advantage.  And imagine if we got out of this now, it'd drive the Noses mental.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2020, 12:58:15 AM
Pick a fan of each team, play the games using FIFA 20 and input those scores into the final table. We can all watch on Youtube and we might stay up!

Richard E is our man.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 12, 2020, 12:58:52 AM
Would we be entitled to a partial refund on our season tickets?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 12, 2020, 02:15:32 AM
NBA season has been suspended
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 02:19:49 AM
Just a matter of time to move behind closed doors and the next step is suspension of the league.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 03:05:21 AM
And still you get some going on about the flu while we're seeing stuff that's pretty much unprecedented to most of us. Major countries on shut down, travel restrictions, seasons being suspended, games behind closed doors and so on.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ian J on March 12, 2020, 06:53:40 AM
Itís supposed to be a sport, a spectator sport. Without the fans attending whatís the point. Just suspend it.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 12, 2020, 06:55:30 AM
It will be such a shame if games are played behind closed doors - if they are to be honest, I don't think I would be bothered to watch them or be that interested in the result.

I think they will suspend the season until the middle of April and then play the remaining games over a 6 week period.

The Euros i should imagine will take place next summer.


Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 06:58:04 AM
And still you get some going on about the flu while we're seeing stuff that's pretty much unprecedented to most of us. Major countries on shut down, travel restrictions, seasons being suspended, games behind closed doors and so on.

Are they hiding then potential impacts of it?  Iíve never known anything like it in my lifetime?!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 12, 2020, 06:58:52 AM
It will be such a shame if games are played behind closed doors - if they are to be honest, I don't think I would be bothered to watch them or be that interested in the result.

I think they will suspend the season until the middle of April and then play the remaining games over a 6 week period.

The Euros i should imagine will take place next summer.




Mid April could well be peak Virus outbreak. 🤷‍♂️
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: charleeco7 on March 12, 2020, 06:59:21 AM
Would we be entitled to a partial refund on our season tickets?

Apparently not, on the basis itíll be out of control of the clubs.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 12, 2020, 07:20:23 AM
i would not be surprised if there was an announcement today, that will mean games played behind closed doors this weekend.

I heard on the radio that the PSG fans turned up in there thousands last night and stood outside their ground, whilst the game was going on.

For me there is more to this virus than we are being told - my mother thinks that Chinese have dug something up from the ground that has started all this (bless her heart!)
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 12, 2020, 07:21:47 AM
Itís disrupted celebrity fan Tom Hanksí holiday on the Gold Coast here in Aus- heís been diagnosed with it.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 12, 2020, 07:29:49 AM
surely sides in relegation trouble would challenge this? Playing in front of an empty stadium would be a huge disadvantage.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2020, 07:33:08 AM
Your mother sid1964 is like most mothers pretty much on the money where life is concerned.  Her theory about the Chinese digging something out of the ground is only a bit inaccurate insofaras the pangolins did the digging in the bat shit before those charming opportunists ate the pangolins.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: walsall villain on March 12, 2020, 07:33:47 AM
I canít see this season being completed. If it spreads as predicted then squads will be affected too.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 12, 2020, 07:48:14 AM
PSG fans have effectively turned the closed doors scenario into a nonsense. I can see some fans turning up outside grounds which will forces the authorities to postpone the season.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: curlytailavfc on March 12, 2020, 07:56:14 AM
Saw article that Tom Hanks has the virius
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 12, 2020, 07:59:08 AM
i would not be surprised if there was an announcement today, that will mean games played behind closed doors this weekend.

I heard on the radio that the PSG fans turned up in there thousands last night and stood outside their ground, whilst the game was going on.

For me there is more to this virus than we are being told - my mother thinks that Chinese have dug something up from the ground that has started all this (bless her heart!)

Bless her, mate!

That sounds like something from an old B-movie, like the Blob.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: JJ-AV on March 12, 2020, 08:06:23 AM
I've got a season ticket, a trip to Marrakech booked as well as a trip to two Euros games (Spain/Poland and a QF in Munich), as well as Glastonbury inbetween. I imagine tickets are refunded but the rest of it - flights and accomodation etc. will be lost.

However, if it saves one life it's the right thing to do. Much bigger than football.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 08:37:18 AM
i would not be surprised if there was an announcement today, that will mean games played behind closed doors this weekend.

I heard on the radio that the PSG fans turned up in there thousands last night and stood outside their ground, whilst the game was going on.

For me there is more to this virus than we are being told - my mother thinks that Chinese have dug something up from the ground that has started all this (bless her heart!)

I'm expecting an announcement today.  I'm hoping that they allow fans there on Saturday but I'm not holding my breath.  I've got tickets for Liverpool and Newcastle as well so I'm expecting refunds on those.  I'll take the season ticket money on the chin provided I can watch the home AND away games on VTV.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 12, 2020, 09:30:43 AM
I've got a season ticket, a trip to Marrakech booked as well as a trip to two Euros games (Spain/Poland and a QF in Munich), as well as Glastonbury inbetween. I imagine tickets are refunded but the rest of it - flights and accomodation etc. will be lost.

However, if it saves one life it's the right thing to do. Much bigger than football.


Well said. It's a monetary inconvenience, of course, but one has to look at the bigger picture.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2020, 09:37:20 AM
Merge this season and next. 76 game season to ensure that those who've done well retain their advantages and vice versa. Job done.

That's the fairest idea I've heard.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 09:45:03 AM
A decision to make all games in the PL behind closed doors is imminent apparently.

The current season will not be postponed and instead matches in the Premier League and lower divisions will be moved behind closed doors

● All Premier League season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games will be able to stream coverage of matches into their homes

● No games will be shown in pubs so as to avoid congregation of people

● Season-ticket holders and ticket holders for individual games at Football League clubs will be allowed to watch matches on iFollow streams

● Premier League games will not be shown live in the 3pm slot on Saturday afternoons

● Broadcasters will be permitted to screen more than one Premier League game during both the lunchtime and tea-time television slots on Saturday, and the scheduled slots on Sundays and Mondays
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 09:48:47 AM
How much will Corona virus disrupt villa season ?
Very much.

"Broadcasters will be permitted to screen more than one Premier League game during both the lunchtime and tea-time television slots on Saturday, and the scheduled slots on Sundays and Mondays"

So sounds like possibly some of Villa fixtures will be rescheduled by kick off times. And the days they are to be played.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 12, 2020, 09:54:54 AM
What would happen if one team has 4-5 first team players infected with the virus, will there games be postponed and played at a later date?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 09:57:58 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 10:02:37 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Reports say Cristiano Ronaldo will not return to Italy amid the coronavirus pandemic after his Juventus teammate Daniele Rugani tested positive for COVID-19.
Ronaldo is currently stuck in Madeira after visiting family and cannot return to Italy.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2020, 10:03:41 AM
For me there is more to this virus than we are being told

Itís obviously very serious for those with respiratory weaknesses, Iíve read that 1 in 20 may need hospitalisation. Im thinking that the threat is more of overwhelming countries health systems meaning they canít cope.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:20:05 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Suspension would lead to cancellation and would see us relegated. Behind closed doors is the best of all the bad possible options.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 10:38:55 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Suspension would lead to cancellation and would see us relegated. Behind closed doors is the best of all the bad possible options.

Could see us relegated.  Another option is to just void the season - Or as someone else suggested, combine it with next season to make a 76 game season.

Behind closed doors won't stop people going to the grounds as PSG demonstrated last night.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: aev on March 12, 2020, 10:43:19 AM
Woman on SKY just said that she ďunderstands that they deep cleaned Nadine Dorriesís corridorĒ.

Yikes
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:46:46 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Suspension would lead to cancellation and would see us relegated. Behind closed doors is the best of all the bad possible options.

Could see us relegated.  Another option is to just void the season - Or as someone else suggested, combine it with next season to make a 76 game season.

Behind closed doors won't stop people going to the grounds as PSG demonstrated last night.

I don't think people would turn up to stand outside empty grounds here. Just doesn't seem like the sort of thing people will do.

They can't go for a 76 game season as would mess up next season's European competitions. And in any case, if playing 38 games this season has the likes of Klopp and Guardiola moaning their head off, how do you think they would cope with 48 next term? That's never going to happen.

They aren't going to void the season three-quarters of the way through. They won't inconvenience Liverpool to benefit Aston Villa and Norwich. That would annoy millions of glory-hunting twats customers all over the world.

Behind closed doors or season finishing as it is are the only options.

I prefer the first option that gives us a chance of avoiding relegation.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 10:48:10 AM
People might turn up at the first game but the novelty would soon wear off.  Blues have already enforced this months ago.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 10:52:40 AM
And still you get some going on about the flu while we're seeing stuff that's pretty much unprecedented to most of us. Major countries on shut down, travel restrictions, seasons being suspended, games behind closed doors and so on.

Are they hiding then potential impacts of it?  Iíve never known anything like it in my lifetime?!

It's been said testing  between 1,000 and 2,000 people a day in the UK is delaying things when other countries have capabilities to test 10,000 .
Though now the NHS has confirmed they will increase Coronavirus testing to 10,000 a day to get a handle on things.
In UK they take too long to get things done! So I'm so pleased step up in action has been taken
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 12, 2020, 10:52:52 AM
They couldnít finish the season by relegating a club that had played less games than the others which was 2 points behind. I donít know what will happen but Iím 100% certain that wonít be it.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:54:18 AM
They could base it on average points. In which case we would still go down. Another alternative is just cancel relegation this season and have 23 clubs in the Premier League next year. Maybe have a Scottish-style "split" at some point to keep the matches down.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 10:55:52 AM
You couldn't void the season and relegate anybody. The league could not afford the litigation, to which they would not be insured, for loss of chance and the league's members would have to vote for it.

If they suspend the league, then it ought to be for a month, then review and roll over depending on the present situation of what the spread of the virus is.

If that means we kick future seasons down the track, so be it.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:59:07 AM
It would probably be easier if they just announced now that all the Euros qualifiers are delayed until a later date and the finals are postponed until next Summer. Would give teams a bit more leeway to play postponed games if the situation improves in the meantime. I can't see this getting better by June, though.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 10:59:18 AM
Juve have been playing behind closed doors, yet one of their players contracted it. Utterly nonsensical. Suspension is the only sensible option.

Suspension would lead to cancellation and would see us relegated. Behind closed doors is the best of all the bad possible options.

Could see us relegated.  Another option is to just void the season - Or as someone else suggested, combine it with next season to make a 76 game season.

Behind closed doors won't stop people going to the grounds as PSG demonstrated last night.

I don't think people would turn up to stand outside empty grounds here. Just doesn't seem like the sort of thing people will do.

They can't go for a 76 game season as would mess up next season's European competitions. And in any case, if playing 38 games this season has the likes of Klopp and Guardiola moaning their head off, how do you think they would cope with 48 next term? That's never going to happen.

They aren't going to void the season three-quarters of the way through. They won't inconvenience Liverpool to benefit Aston Villa and Norwich. That would annoy millions of glory-hunting twats customers all over the world.

Behind closed doors or season finishing as it is are the only options.

I prefer the first option that gives us a chance of avoiding relegation.

We can enter who we like for Europe so as it stands currently could determine European spots - We aren't the only country that is being affected - UEFA would support any sensible suggestions.

It could even be just 38 games, with what has been played this season added on.  That said, Klopp etc would have to accept the exceptional circumstances.  The League cup could be suspended for one season.  There are loads of different options.

Some would win, some would lose by the emergency measures but as others have said, there are more important things than football.

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 12, 2020, 11:02:17 AM
In our situation playing behind closed doors would definitely see us down. I can see lots of potential litigation ahead .
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
Itís supposed to be a sport, a spectator sport. Without the fans attending whatís the point. Just suspend it.

I get your frustrations and if you mean spectator as in attendance then yes that is annoying .
However football wise could be some merits to no crowd . So as much as the support and backing players get there can be some who much prefer the training ground time and though eerry atmosphere players who don't thrive or at least get affected in front of a crowd may play better.

There's an argument that players can be more focused though most professional players are use to the crowd noise but those who aren't so affiliated to villa or the non UK players then going out to play football with or without strangers watching them is no big deal.
One thing it can separate is the real players who can step up and adapt .who can self motivate
It's a test psychologically as much as it is playing in front of an audience.
I think certainly some players s thrive more off a crowd or get affected by them in negative way.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 11:04:45 AM
I don't see why we would be any more or less likely to go down if it was behind closed doors. Being realistic, clubs are going to get players displaying symptoms who have to self-isolate. The teams that go down will probably be the ones that are worst affected. And Norwich.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2020, 11:05:50 AM
UEFA are nuts, they still think euros are going to be fine in June. Think that's what is messing things up with leagues still think they have to get all fixtures done by end of May by any means possible.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 11:13:45 AM
In our situation playing behind closed doors would definitely see us down. I can see lots of potential litigation ahead .

I think it's a fascinating test for Dean Smith and all the football clubs on how they handle the lack of atmosphere
Moaning about it by Smith and Aston villa is no good But we most use the situation to our advantage. Telling the players to just play some football . Maybe find that can perform better without pressure.
It's actually intriguing watching behind closed doors on broadcast as will be able to hear all the players managers and alot of dialogue.
Though maybe there will be some request for less sound and microphone around the pitch and dug outs.
I rather have the villa faithful backing and supporting the team but with a disconnect by some players who aren't close with fans, those that perform well in training or those that are very focused they can just get on with their job.
Of course the least professional will be found out . Those that just stroll through a match will stand out even more in an empty stadium .
Its like the youth games and parks football.
Where the real opportunities lie will be in matches where opposition have nothing to play for !

Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2020, 11:15:42 AM
I can see things being awry until the next World Cup. Given that it's in the winter of 2022, perhaps we'll see a complete reshuffle and season ending Autumn 2022....
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 12, 2020, 11:20:27 AM
There is not a chance this season will run it's course.
Crowd or no crowd.

It is only a game.

Don't relegate us though!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 11:23:42 AM
If for reasons it's unsafe for football leagues to continue then I would suspect the season would be suspended or cancelled. If the time frame allows no place for resumption
No relegation taking place
Liverpool awarded league title with *
The note being on their records Only player 30 games that season .
I think many of us here are in agreement that a relegation should not be given to any football club when a season hasn't been concluded (apart from teams that break rules)
So I think they would rather risk upsetting EFL promotions than the premier league elite who are a different entity.
I think Leeds and WBA are going to be the ones that don't get promoted rather because premier league clubs vote or otherwise wouldn't allow clubs to be relegated 'unfairly'
And as people say the legal dispute by premier league clubs can be avoided.


Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 12, 2020, 11:25:45 AM
Cancel the euros now, put the season on hold until things settle, or more is known, then conclude the season over the summer if possible.  Can't think of any other way round it.  Who knows, we may be able to go to Newcastle in above-freezing temperatures...?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 11:29:52 AM
Is anyone else amazed Cheltenham races got the go ahead with over 250k expected across the festival?
I think there may not be anymore big sporting events like that going on and like the economics wanted it to be done and then lock down
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: luke95 on March 12, 2020, 11:37:06 AM
Cancel this season, null & void.

Then calmly sit back, and watch the noses go into meltdown at how spawny the vile are once again.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 12, 2020, 11:43:11 AM
In the interests of fairness, void the season, start again next year. Liverpool will probably still win it, Villa May stay up and Leeds....will fall apart 😄😄👍👍
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 12, 2020, 11:54:28 AM
Cancel the season and no relegation/promotion.

But next season starts with positive and negative coefficients for all teams?

Or next season strats with all teams on the points they finished this season?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 12, 2020, 12:03:41 PM
Cancel the season and no relegation/promotion.

But next season starts with positive and negative coefficients for all teams?

Or next season strats with all teams on the points they finished this season?
yes. Apart from Leeds
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
Cancel the season and no relegation/promotion.

But next season starts with positive and negative coefficients for all teams?

Or next season strats with all teams on the points they finished this season?

Even that wouldn't be fair as some clubs, including ourselves, would have played a game less than anyone else. I suppose you could just add the game in hand to next season's fixture list.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 12:18:30 PM
This becomes a  Force Majeure situation.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 12, 2020, 12:20:56 PM
they could make us play Sheffield United in our and their game in hand and the result of that will decide our final league position
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 12:23:19 PM
they could make us play Sheffield United in our and their game in hand and the result of that will decide our final league position

Imagine how stressful that would be.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: aev on March 12, 2020, 12:25:14 PM
they could make us play Sheffield United in our and their game in hand and the result of that will decide our final league position

Imagine how stressful that would be.

They hate West Ham , revenge is a dish best served cold.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 12:30:19 PM
I just can't see them ending the season and going by current standings. The legal side of that is massive of clubs affected. How many clubs get relegated/promoted/into the playoffs on the last day. Look at Leicester, at this stage in 2015 they were bottom and 7 points from safety, pretty much everyone thought they were gone. And we know how that went.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 12:35:15 PM
they could make us play Sheffield United in our and their game in hand and the result of that will decide our final league position

Imagine how stressful that would be.

They hate West Ham , revenge is a dish best served cold.

But if the season stopped now and we just played that one game in hand, they'd need a win to qualify for the Champions League. No way they'd be letting us win.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 12:35:29 PM
I just can't see them ending the season and going by current standings. The legal side of that is massive of clubs affected. How many clubs get relegated/promoted/into the playoffs on the last day. Look at Leicester, at this stage in 2015 they were bottom and 7 points from safety, pretty much everyone thought they were gone. And we know how that went.
Agree they would spend the next months being sued.
It is possible that there are provisions in the PL /clubs contracts for such an event.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 01:04:04 PM
An unknown Premier League club is testing all their squad after 3 players displayed symptoms.

Destroy Carthage and suspend the league.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 12, 2020, 01:08:53 PM
Suspension/cancellation is surely becoming an inevitability.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 12, 2020, 01:25:36 PM
All La Liga matches have just been suspended
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 12, 2020, 01:29:00 PM
Cancel the fucking lot and write the season off.

Liverpool aren't champions, Albion and Leeds stay in the 2nd division and we stay up. The perfect scenario.   
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2020, 01:32:53 PM
It will be a rare bright spot if we somehow manage to reinforce our Ďspawny Villaí image amongst the local obsessives by staying up because of this.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
Real Madrid players quarantined
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 01:35:33 PM
An unnamed Premier League club is testing all players after three displayed symptoms.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 01:37:30 PM
Turns out it's us, Reina, Jota and Drinky were all wheezing after doing a sprint run...
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 12, 2020, 01:51:36 PM
Turns out it's us, Reina, Jota and Drinky were all wheezing after doing a sprint run...

Reinas still not back
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:01:26 PM
UEFA statement

In the light of the ongoing developments in the spread of COVID-19 across Europe and the changing analysis of the World Health Organisation, UEFA has today invited representatives of its 55 member associations, together with the boards of the European Club Association and the European Leagues and a representative of FIFPro, to attend meetings by videoconference on Tuesday 17 March to discuss European footballís response to the outbreak.

'Discussions will include all domestic and European competitions, including UEFA EURO 2020.

'Further communication will be made following those meetings.'
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 12, 2020, 02:06:12 PM
An unnamed Premier League club is testing all players after three displayed symptoms.

Leicester. It explains why our defence and midfield avoided them on Monday.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 02:06:50 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:07:01 PM
The UK Government is to announce further  measures on how UK will deal with the outbreak.
I expect that there is a push to have the premier league completed behind closed doors matches but there could be serious consideration today or Tuesday that the league will be suspended.
If it isn't there should be serious question as to why because serious measure needed to combat the virus.
The UK taking too long on measures as is the premier league.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:10:36 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.

Have you not heard ! that's canceled ! Ireland government have taken measures to closed schools and colleges.
That UK should be taken significant measures should be a matter of time.
Though here will just be some small measure I doubt England will close anything as they don't take drastic measures here. Same with the premier league and push for behind closed doors When other European nations are being far more wise.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 02:15:29 PM
We will take the radical step to cancel the number 30 bus between Olton and Acocks Green until further notice.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 02:22:19 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2020, 02:22:26 PM
Does this mean we should all be wishing it to get a lot worse so the season is stopped completely?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: simon ward 50 on March 12, 2020, 02:24:05 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

Leicester City players self-isolating!

Surely we get awarded the 3 points from Monday by default?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 12, 2020, 02:25:17 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Better not be Vardy, he's a neighbour!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51856906

Leicester City players self-isolating!

Surely we get awarded the 3 points from Monday by default?

Dean post post match interview.

ĎOur players were affected massively by cold sweats throughout the game and the VAR decision on the penalty was ludicrous.í
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2020, 02:29:04 PM
So we lost to a team 4-0 with half of the opposition pretty much on their deathbeds. Classic Villa.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:31:06 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: frank black on March 12, 2020, 02:34:41 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


If positive then we will have to put our players in isolation for at least a week...but ultimately the bigger decision is to suspend all games?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 12, 2020, 02:36:54 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


If positive then we will have to put our players in isolation for at least a week...but ultimately the bigger decision is to suspend all games?

Well we don't play for another three weeks after Saturday anyway.

And before anyone else puts in the quick win joke we haven't played a premier league game since January 21st in any case.....
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 02:37:27 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.

Have you not heard ! that's canceled ! Ireland government have taken measures to closed schools and colleges.
That UK should be taken significant measures should be a matter of time.
Though here will just be some small measure I doubt England will close anything as they don't take drastic measures here. Same with the premier league and push for behind closed doors When other European nations are being far more wise.
I see the sense of humor bypass operation was successful  :D
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:39:46 PM
The issue as well of course is how aware they are of symptoms and if it's a safety measure for precautions as many fund it hard to distinguish between cold, flu and covid-19 . Early symptoms can overlap as well as being wildy different however people may find they have some sniffle that they worry they have a serious infection.
Now these players could be over reacting or being cautious. Or the club could be. However I do think a lot more clarity is needed for people to understand covid-19.
A lot of people are unknown on this and that why effective testing and early testing is needed as well as hygiene.
This unfortunate situation should see football clubs closing down not just football matches
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 12, 2020, 02:41:18 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


Nobody has said the players are experiencing "flu symptoms" ??

It's a precaution to very minor signs, which may amount to nothing other than a sniffle. Right thing to do given the current climate, but let's not blow everything out of proportion
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:42:45 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.

Have you not heard ! that's canceled ! Ireland government have taken measures to closed schools and colleges.
That UK should be taken significant measures should be a matter of time.
Though here will just be some small measure I doubt England will close anything as they don't take drastic measures here. Same with the premier league and push for behind closed doors When other European nations are being far more wise.
I see the sense of humor bypass operation was successful  :D

What's funny about older people at greater risk of dying ? And everyone having serious health concern. St Patrick's is the least of some people's concerns when there is covid-19.
Has to be taken seriously for me
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 12, 2020, 02:43:29 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


Nobody has said the players are experiencing "flu symptoms" ??

It's a precaution to very minor signs, which may amount to nothing other than a sniffle. Right thing to fo, given the current climate, but let's not blow everything out of proportion
This explains why our players stayed the required one metre from them on Monday.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 02:44:01 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.

Have you not heard ! that's canceled ! Ireland government have taken measures to closed schools and colleges.
That UK should be taken significant measures should be a matter of time.
Though here will just be some small measure I doubt England will close anything as they don't take drastic measures here. Same with the premier league and push for behind closed doors When other European nations are being far more wise.
I see the sense of humor bypass operation was successful  :D

What's funny about older people at greater risk of dying ? And everyone having serious health concern. St Patrick's is the least of some people's concerns when there is covid-19.
Has to be taken seriously for me
Are you completely stupid ?
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:44:09 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


Nobody has said the players are experiencing "flu symptoms" ??

It's a precaution to very minor signs, which may amount to nothing other than a sniffle. Right thing to do given the current climate, but let's not blow everything out of proportion

What are you taking about Brendon Rogers has clearly said 3 players have symptoms.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 02:47:14 PM
I clearly not allowed my own view.
And so what if someone is stupid of not .
I'll agree to disagree .
And just have a watching brief
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 02:50:58 PM
Thatís just to discuss the Paddyís Day celebrations.

Have you not heard ! that's canceled ! Ireland government have taken measures to closed schools and colleges.
That UK should be taken significant measures should be a matter of time.
Though here will just be some small measure I doubt England will close anything as they don't take drastic measures here. Same with the premier league and push for behind closed doors When other European nations are being far more wise.
I see the sense of humor bypass operation was successful  :D

Hahaha that made me laugh.  I didnít have the heart to say anything.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 02:51:04 PM
yes you are the self appointed patronizing expert on this and other subjectS to the point of tediousness.
If you donít get humor then surely itís time for another flounce.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 02:57:11 PM
Alright leave it out now.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 12, 2020, 03:03:22 PM
yes you are the self appointed patronizing expert on this and other subjectS to the point of tediousness.
If you donít get humor then surely itís time for another flounce.
No need.  Some things get lost in tranlation and not everybody has a brilliant wit like you.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2020, 03:12:38 PM
I work with people who are really stressing about covid19, Iím not particularly but understand why people are. People are allowed to make jokes about anything they want and people are allowed to find them funny (the paddies day joke did make me laugh) or not funny. Think itís a bit OTT calling someone stupid.

Anyway, I hope the games called off Saturday, mainly to avoid the virus spreading, but also as villa are shite at the moment.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2020, 03:14:00 PM
It appears to be Perreira who is one of the Leicester players coming down with symptoms.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 12, 2020, 03:27:34 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


Nobody has said the players are experiencing "flu symptoms" ??

It's a precaution to very minor signs, which may amount to nothing other than a sniffle. Right thing to do given the current climate, but let's not blow everything out of proportion

What are you taking about Brendon Rogers has clearly said 3 players have symptoms.


I've seen the interview twice and, unless I'm missing something, Brendon Rogers did not mention coronavirus. Hence Sky Sports removing their quotation marks when adding the word to their ticker tape report.

Every sniffle or sore throat, of which millions suffer frequently, is going to turn into coronavirus. Every "precaution" does not have to be major news . Although, when you're trying to fill 24 hours every day, I can see why Sky, et al, would treat it as such.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: andyh on March 12, 2020, 03:27:44 PM
I'm guessing that although 3 Leicester players are displaying symptoms and have been put into isolation, Villa have no concerns because even though we played them on Monday, we didn't get anywhere near any of them. 
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Mouse Potato on March 12, 2020, 03:33:01 PM
I'm guessing that although 3 Leicester players are displaying symptoms and have been put into isolation, Villa have no concerns because even though we played them on Monday, we didn't get anywhere near any of them. 

Funny, but you're at least two posts late on this one.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 12, 2020, 03:42:36 PM


I can't believe we're at Thursday and the match hasn't been either called off or declared it's being played behind closed doors. I certainly don't fancy going in all honesty. Just not sure why we'd even risk it spreading further than it already has. Anything that can possibly be done to stop it should be.

It'll be nothing more than a minor inconvenience if we all have to do without sport or social gatherings for a few weeks.

In fact fuck it, scrap the whole season and start again from scratch in August.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 03:47:37 PM
Leicester are the team under investigation. Cancel Saturday!

Well that's worrying and now things moving so quickly with clubs and players experiencing flu symptoms of covid-19
Now with players being ill the league should be closed


Nobody has said the players are experiencing "flu symptoms" ??

It's a precaution to very minor signs, which may amount to nothing other than a sniffle. Right thing to do given the current climate, but let's not blow everything out of proportion

What are you taking about Brendon Rogers has clearly said 3 players have symptoms.


I've seen the interview twice and, unless I'm missing something, Brendon Rogers did not mention coronavirus. Hence Sky Sports removing their quotation marks when adding the word to their ticker tape report.

Every sniffle or sore throat, of which millions suffer frequently, is going to turn into coronavirus. Every "precaution" does not have to be major news . Although, when you're trying to fill 24 hours every day, I can see why Sky, et al, would treat it as such.
Ok that's make sense I only read headline and info on here . It still concerning though.
Take care yourself 75.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Risso on March 12, 2020, 03:53:49 PM
I'm guessing that although 3 Leicester players are displaying symptoms and have been put into isolation, Villa have no concerns because even though we played them on Monday, we didn't get anywhere near any of them. 

Add that to the list of things that Pepe Reina didn't catch.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 12, 2020, 03:58:54 PM
It appears to be Perreira who is one of the Leicester players coming down with symptoms.

Poor sod's not having a great week, he did his anterior cruciate ligament after a tackle with Jack and is out for the season, missing the Euro's too.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: aj2k77 on March 12, 2020, 04:07:38 PM
Just cancel the games for the rest of March for fucks sake.
Behind closed doors bollocks and teams missing players through isolation makes a mockery of the divisions standings.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 12, 2020, 04:17:22 PM
It appears to be Perreira who is one of the Leicester players coming down with symptoms.

Poor sod's not having a great week, he did his anterior cruciate ligament after a tackle with Jack and is out for the season, missing the Euro's too.

Euro 2021... here we come whoever survives.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 04:24:05 PM
It appears to be Perreira who is one of the Leicester players coming down with symptoms.

Poor sod's not having a great week, he did his anterior cruciate ligament after a tackle with Jack and is out for the season, missing the Euro's too.

Euro 2021... here we come whoever survives.

Yes 2021 UEFA international Women's Championship is in England 10 venues though disappointed Villa isn't one !
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 04:37:08 PM
So the two teams affected are Arsenal and Leicester. Both of them play our relegation rivals on Saturday.

Even Coronavirus is biased against Villa!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 04:37:51 PM
It appears to be Perreira who is one of the Leicester players coming down with symptoms.

Poor sod's not having a great week, he did his anterior cruciate ligament after a tackle with Jack and is out for the season, missing the Euro's too.

Euro 2021... here we come whoever survives.

Yes 2021 UEFA international Women's Championship is in England 10 venues though disappointed Villa isn't one !

It's disgusting that none of the venues are anywhere in The Midlands. Dickheads.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: yammers on March 12, 2020, 04:38:47 PM
Just cancel the games for the rest of March for fucks sake.
Behind closed doors bollocks and teams missing players through isolation makes a mockery of the divisions standings.

Exactly this!  Relegation rivals could have an advantage playing weakened teams through self isolation!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 04:44:50 PM
Some Liverpool fan rang up talksport just now saying a pools panel or super computer should determine the remainder of matches to calculate the league table.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 12, 2020, 04:48:07 PM
If the Chelsea game is off (and the remaining fixtures) it could just be that both Deano and the Villa will be spared.
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 12, 2020, 04:56:24 PM
yes you are the self appointed patronizing expert on this and other subjectS to the point of tediousness.
If you donít get humor then surely itís time for another flounce.
No need.  Some things get lost in tranlation and not everybody has a brilliant wit like you.

zelfs ik ben geen briljante mees zoals jij
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 12, 2020, 04:57:18 PM
I'm guessing that although 3 Leicester players are displaying symptoms and have been put into isolation, Villa have no concerns because even though we played them on Monday, we didn't get anywhere near any of them. 

Ha ha ha, very good
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 12, 2020, 05:43:57 PM
Defer the season. Some things are more important. The scale of action around Europe suggests this damned thing is more dangerous than they first thought. The figures in Italy are alarming.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: CT on March 12, 2020, 05:50:31 PM
Listening to that press conference, I think things will come to a halt very, very soon.

The guy to Boris' right said 95% of people will end up getting this virus, and it won't peak until June.

As insignificant as sport it at a time like this, it's very hard to see how football can carry on for quite some time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: usav on March 12, 2020, 05:54:48 PM
NBA, NHL, MLS all suspended and MLB about to do the same.   It's only a matter of time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 12, 2020, 06:05:07 PM
So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!
Title: Re: How much will the Corona Virus disrupt Aston Villa season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 12, 2020, 06:05:43 PM
I clearly not allowed my own view.
And so what if someone is stupid of not .
I'll agree to disagree .
And just have a watching brief
Are you going to to self isolate again Vill?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 12, 2020, 06:20:01 PM
So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!

Looks like it depends on the Leicester situation.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 12, 2020, 07:11:02 PM
So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!

So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!

Did you lose your voice in the COBRA meeting?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 12, 2020, 07:11:50 PM
So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!



Did you lose your voice in the COBRA meeting?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 07:13:48 PM
We need to spend more time hearing from the Chief Medical and Chief Science officers and less time listening to the likes of Piers Morgan.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 07:17:08 PM
"Euro 2020 is being postponed for a year, the Mirror newspaper has revealed.
The Mirror's sports team has said it's been told UEFA plans to move the tournament, which was supposed to take place in June this year.
The proposals will be put forward at a coronavirus conference next week, the Mirror states."
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 07:17:36 PM
One of the first signs that someone has the virus is they lose the ability to use the quote function correctly.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SaddVillan on March 12, 2020, 07:20:44 PM
Cancel the season now - before things get any worse
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 12, 2020, 07:22:09 PM
Cancel the season now - before things get any worse


Before we are bottom?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 12, 2020, 07:25:45 PM
One of the first signs that someone has the virus is they lose the ability to use the quote function correctly.

Give us a kiss.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 12, 2020, 07:33:56 PM
As our defence ignored the containment stage not much hope for the delay.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 07:35:43 PM
I'm not going on Saturday - I've just made the decision.

It's only a matter of time before football is suspended & I'm surprised people in positions to make decisions haven't made this official.

Yes, currently, playing behind closed doors is an option but in a months time, even that will be too risky.

Going down are we fcuk - The Villa's staying up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 08:03:46 PM
One of the first signs that someone has the virus is they lose the ability to use the quote function correctly.

I think you overestimate my abilities in knowing the langauage fields in the first place !
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 08:05:30 PM
It was aimed at The Malandro not you Vill.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: CT on March 12, 2020, 08:08:37 PM
I'm not going on Saturday - I've just made the decision.

It's only a matter of time before football is suspended & I'm surprised people in positions to make decisions haven't made this official.

Yes, currently, playing behind closed doors is an option but in a months time, even that will be too risky.

Going down are we fcuk - The Villa's staying up.

I'm going, only because I think it's the last game we'll see, possibly for the season. Last chance to see Jack wearing claret and blue.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 08:09:01 PM
" " are quotes but good I wrote a good one without misunderstanding!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 08:10:23 PM
I'm not going on Saturday - I've just made the decision.

It's only a matter of time before football is suspended & I'm surprised people in positions to make decisions haven't made this official.

Yes, currently, playing behind closed doors is an option but in a months time, even that will be too risky.

Going down are we fcuk - The Villa's staying up.

I'm going, only because I think it's the last game we'll see, possibly for the season. Last chance to see Jack wearing claret and blue.

Free choice is given atm as no lock down so it's down to individuals .
Good luck with both choices just be safe.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 12, 2020, 08:13:26 PM
Deleted. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 12, 2020, 08:25:41 PM
Basically the drastic stage will follow in the next few weeks because they donít want to cage people up too soon before itís peak.  Is my understanding.  If it keeps doubling every four days that situation could change however.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 12, 2020, 08:30:58 PM
You know, it is mental that all those Madrid supporters were in Liverpool. Look at the figures for Madrid
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: CT on March 12, 2020, 08:33:34 PM
Deleted.  Posted in anger.

Don't look back in anger Brian.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 08:39:57 PM
I'm not going on Saturday - I've just made the decision.

It's only a matter of time before football is suspended & I'm surprised people in positions to make decisions haven't made this official.

Yes, currently, playing behind closed doors is an option but in a months time, even that will be too risky.

Going down are we fcuk - The Villa's staying up.

I'm going, only because I think it's the last game we'll see, possibly for the season. Last chance to see Jack wearing claret and blue.

I felt exactly the same until a couple of hours ago.  Will be the first home game I've missed for quite a while (and certainly the first I've missed whist being in the country for a few years).

I'm quite looking forward to a session in front of the TV now - Getting soaked on the way out at Leicester has probably dampened my spirits as well.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 08:42:55 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

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The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 12, 2020, 08:44:30 PM
Watching the PM's announcement tonight, and subsequent upgrade in the status of the virus from Containment to Delay, not sure as to laugh or cry really, so limp wristed in there approach, so the reason they are not going to shut down schools, close sporting events and other such options at this point, is because they think people will get bored in time and we won't have even hit our peak at that point, so everybody will say **** it and go down the pub, seriously, we are talking about an apocalyptic event, for some of us, surely it works the other way, as the confirmed cases stack up as does the casualties/bodies, then the more polarised people will became, the only consideration now is to hit this thing with everything we've got, hit it hard and limit its damage as much as possible, people need leadership, at these times people need strong leaders, look at where other countries like Italy made there mistakes, didn't act fast enough, do the opposite and above all keep Aston Villa in the Premiership, whats up with you Johnson.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 12, 2020, 08:46:49 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

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The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier
I like this idea , but the so called big clubs will complain about too many games.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 08:53:11 PM
You could do that here, 24 teams. Either have a split after every team has played each other once or cancel the cups for the season... just finish off this season's FA Cup next year. That would only be a maximum of 49 domestic games for the FA Cup winner

I do think they should say that Liverpool are so far clear that they are awarded this year's title, if they do that. European places based on league as it is now with average points rather than total points so as not to disadvantage those that have a game in hand.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 12, 2020, 08:54:25 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

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The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier

Big thumbs up for this idea ...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 12, 2020, 08:56:59 PM
You could do that here, 24 teams. Either have a split after every team has played each other once or cancel the cups for the season... just finish off this season's FA Cup next year. That would only be a maximum of 49 domestic games for the FA Cup winner

I do think they should say that Liverpool are so far clear that they are awarded this year's title, if they do that. European places based on league as it is now with average points rather than total points so as not to disadvantage those that have a game in hand.

Yes - Only thing I'd probably say was that "game in hand" games played behind closed doors.

I'd probably keep the FA cup with PL teams getting byes until the 4th round.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 08:57:15 PM
Watching the PM's announcement tonight, and subsequent upgrade in the status of the virus from Containment to Delay, not sure as to laugh or cry really, so limp wristed in there approach, so the reason they are not going to shut down schools, close sporting events and other such options at this point, is because they think people will get bored in time and we won't have even hit our peak at that point, so everybody will say **** it and go down the pub, seriously, we are talking about an apocalyptic event, for some of us, surely it works the other way, as the confirmed cases stack up as does the casualties/bodies, then the more polarised people will became, the only consideration now is to hit this thing with everything we've got, hit it hard and limit its damage as much as possible, people need leadership, at these times people need strong leaders, look at where other countries like Italy made there mistakes, didn't act fast enough, do the opposite and above all keep Aston Villa in the Premiership, whats up with you Johnson.   

A right set of lungs on you.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 12, 2020, 08:59:28 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

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The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier

Big thumbs up for this idea ...

The problem is the European football Association are suggesting that the European Championships will be postponed this summer and moved to next summer, 21, so any extension in games will hit players hard, you also have to take into consideration if that was to happen, the following season to that is the World Cup. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dominic22 on March 12, 2020, 09:00:30 PM
I will not be going on Saturday and I also did not go to Leicester in the week (turned into a good choice....). I watched the press conference and it filled me with dread. I cant see how the season can continue, we seem so out of step with all other advice you read.  I have an 83-year-old Aunt that I responsibilities for as well as my Dad who is 82. I fail to see how other than economic it is a good idea to have all us lot in crowded concourses when in Italy they are stopping you from standing within 1 meter of each other and public gatherings seem to be stopped everywhere else. .

It seems the rationale is that we will get bored and I'm afraid that's not good enough.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 09:01:06 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

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The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier

Big thumbs up for this idea ...

Got to love the Germans. Great idea, that the Premier League should definitely 100% copy.

In fact I'd take the Scousers being crowned if it meant we stayed up. Even the Stripey Filth coming up too.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 12, 2020, 09:04:17 PM
Postpone all games imo.

Apparently the championship games are still going ahead this weekend, I think that would be a mistake.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 09:15:01 PM
https://twitter.com/swearimnotpaul/status/1238179887250386946

Quote
The DFL and DFB are considering ending the Bundesliga season after this weekend, according to the Express. No trophy would be awarded and no relegation would take place. Instead, the Bundesliga would be expanded to 22 teams for 2020-21 with the top four teams from the second tier

Germany are so efficient and have got it right
. I think they should implement something similar in premier
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 09:25:46 PM
Postpone all games imo.

Apparently the championship games are still going ahead this weekend, I think that would be a mistake.

I think it's basically be allowed by the government so football events  won't close down any games and then following on for next few weeks have them behind closed doors. They when more get ill they lock it down .
Should close it now but government weak ass response in delay means be left for worse to come.
They are engineering a peak unbelievable
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 12, 2020, 09:36:57 PM
PL announce all games to go ahead
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 09:44:35 PM
Quote
Following the latest update from Government issued this afternoon, all Premier League matches will go ahead as scheduled this weekend.

While the Prime Minister advised that all sporting events should take place as normal for now, he also indicated that Government is considering banning major public events, like sporting fixtures.

We are therefore continuing to work closely with our clubs, Government, The FA, EFL and other relevant stakeholders to ensure appropriate contingency plans are in place as and when circumstances change.

The welfare of players, staff and supporters is of paramount importance and we will continue to follow Public Health England guidelines thoroughly.

We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: kieron on March 12, 2020, 09:49:17 PM
Cowardly by the Premier League by stating they're driven by the PM. All about the money.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 09:50:09 PM
"The welfare of players, staff and supporters is of paramount importance"


😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BC Villain on March 12, 2020, 09:53:11 PM
Quote
Following the latest update from Government issued this afternoon, all Premier League matches will go ahead as scheduled this weekend.

While the Prime Minister advised that all sporting events should take place as normal for now, he also indicated that Government is considering banning major public events, like sporting fixtures.

We are therefore continuing to work closely with our clubs, Government, The FA, EFL and other relevant stakeholders to ensure appropriate contingency plans are in place as and when circumstances change.

The welfare of players, staff and supporters is of paramount importance and we will continue to follow Public Health England guidelines thoroughly.

We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.

If ever a statement told us about the mentality of the Premier League, then this is it.  Only interested in the business and their wallets.  Fuck the fans
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 12, 2020, 09:54:03 PM
Surely those who are concerned about the situation will just chose not to attend games on Saturday ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:05:53 PM
And then, if they get sick, infect hundreds or even thousands of other people in their day to day lives.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 12, 2020, 10:07:43 PM
This strikes me as a very poor decision.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 12, 2020, 10:15:50 PM
I wonít be going on Saturday, itís not just the match itís getting there on the bus, train etc. I really hope that this doesnít make the situation worse.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 12, 2020, 10:20:40 PM
Following the latest update from Government issued this afternoon, all Premier League matches will go ahead as scheduled this weekend.

We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.

I just have a sneaky feeling they'll change their tune tomorrow.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BC Villain on March 12, 2020, 10:23:48 PM
Arsenal have released a statement to announce that Mikel Arteta has tested positive.  Surely this decision has to be reversed
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 10:26:54 PM
Surely the Arsenal game can't go ahead?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: luke95 on March 12, 2020, 10:31:06 PM
Following the latest update from Government issued this afternoon, all Premier League matches will go ahead as scheduled this weekend.

We will keep everyone updated as appropriate.

I just have a sneaky feeling they'll change their tune tomorrow.

Same here , itll be reversed by 1 oclock
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 12, 2020, 10:31:32 PM
So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!

So is Saturday's game still on, behind closed doors, postponed, or are those idiots in the Government waiting till tomorrow's death toll?

Give me strength!

Did you lose your voice in the COBRA meeting?
Whoops! Double post.
It needed repeating for those idiots though.
As I said in a previous post, they want to keep in with Rupert Murdoch!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BC Villain on March 12, 2020, 10:32:31 PM
Surely the Arsenal game can't go ahead?

Absolute lunacy from the Premier League.  Wealth over health. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 12, 2020, 10:42:13 PM
Just heard on radio. Emergency meeting of Premier League tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 12, 2020, 10:43:27 PM
Just heard on radio. Emergency meeting of Premier League tomorrow morning.

Arteta is a game changer. They MUST suspend the season. Simple as.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 12, 2020, 10:51:13 PM
It's not just football that should be closing down.
Ridiculous approach by authorities.
Major issue and this exactly what Tory government do.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 12, 2020, 10:54:37 PM
Thereís no way the matches should go ahead now. I very much doubt Iíd go now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:02:22 PM
I think it would be negligent to continue sporting events right now. And gross negligence to allow them to continue with spectators.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 11:07:38 PM
Void the league!
Void the league!
Void the league!

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 12, 2020, 11:09:20 PM
I'm not going

The whole handling of this is a bloody Disgrace

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 12, 2020, 11:09:27 PM
Does this mean we'll never see Drinky in a Villa shirt again?  I'm not sure I'm ready to accept that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john e on March 12, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
abort, scrap, cancel

revert to alphabetical order
Champions league here we come
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 11:10:03 PM
The bottom six or so clubs are going to demand the league be voided at tomorrow's emergency meeting over integrity concerns.

Presume we can count on all of Manchester and at least one half of the Liverpool's support.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:10:10 PM
The fairest thing would be to award every club 3 points for all their remaining games.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2020, 11:11:29 PM
Mendy from Man City self isolating as well. Itís probs hard to avoid getting this, but standing with my kids and 40,000 others seems a bit irresponsible. Iíll give it a miss, especially as only reason it will still go ahead is greed on behalf premier league and Tory Govt wheighing up economic cost vrs old people dying
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 11:13:26 PM
The fairest thing would be to award every club 3 points for all their remaining games.

This.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 12, 2020, 11:14:29 PM
The fairest thing would be to award every club 3 points for all their remaining games.

This.
Genius.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 11:15:10 PM
Mendy from Man City self isolating as well. Itís probs hard to avoid getting this, but standing with my kids and 40,000 others seems a bit irresponsible. Iíll give it a miss, especially as only reason it will still go ahead is greed on behalf premier league and Tory Govt wheighing up economic cost vrs old people dying

It's the 20 or so people sat around you and anybody who coughs or sneezes all over you en route to your seat. If you're sat in the upper Holte, you haven't got much to worry about from the majority of the ground or even the block over.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 12, 2020, 11:16:11 PM
abort, scrap, cancel

revert to alphabetical order
Champions league here we come
And we'll keep Jack!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 12, 2020, 11:16:31 PM
The fairest thing would be to award every club 3 points for all their remaining games.

This.
Genius.

I disagree. That would mean there are too many points so they should just call every match a home win.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Gareth on March 12, 2020, 11:16:35 PM
Arteta news is surely a game changer, even the broadcasters puppets at the Premier League have to suspend the games now.

Suspect we will see how effective a CEO Purslow is now as we need to be right in the mix of the discussions of what happens from here, particularly if it comes to a point where season becomes voided or where a decision needs to be made regarding resuming fixtures.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 12, 2020, 11:18:23 PM
The fairest thing would be to award every club 3 points for all their remaining games.
This.
Genius.

It took a second.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 12, 2020, 11:21:52 PM
I think it would be negligent to continue sporting events right now. And gross negligence to allow them to continue with spectators.

Can absolutely see games being played behind closed doors for the rest of the season.  Surely can be handled within clubs, with players being regularly monitored by club doctors etc. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 12, 2020, 11:23:31 PM
I'm not sure I'd be looking forward to a shift as part of the catering crews for Saturday.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Billy Walker on March 12, 2020, 11:24:24 PM
I think it would be negligent to continue sporting events right now. And gross negligence to allow them to continue with spectators.

Can absolutely see games being played behind closed doors for the rest of the season.  Surely can be handled within clubs, with players being regularly monitored by club doctors etc. 

I don't think the players and their families will be supportive of this at all.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:25:41 PM
I think it would be negligent to continue sporting events right now. And gross negligence to allow them to continue with spectators.

Can absolutely see games being played behind closed doors for the rest of the season.  Surely can be handled within clubs, with players being regularly monitored by club doctors etc. 

PL clubs get enough money they could cope with that financially, especially if they gave leeway with FFP because of the drop in revenue. But how far down the pyrmid do you go, the further down you go the more the clubs rely on match day money.

The more I think of the more it seems impossible to come up with a solution that isn't stiffing some clubs.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dominic22 on March 12, 2020, 11:28:00 PM
just logistically it makes the football season difficult to finish. Now the players at Arsenal are in at least 7 days of Isolation so no training etc. If we believe Boris and his band of merry men then there is upto an 80% national infection rate at a peak of 14 weeks away how does that work once we start to miss games.

The Virus is not constant so different people and different clubs will be ill at different times and at different rates so even when the squad is clear they need to train to get match fit then find a team to play that is not in isolation or squad members at risk etc.... All things being equal there is the Euro's in June and the regular season was not meant to finish until May
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 11:28:20 PM
How do Arsenal play behind closed doors when the entire squad is in quarantine?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: eamonn on March 12, 2020, 11:29:54 PM
Extending the season into June/July, delaying next season, scrapping the League Cup and making Euro 2020 become Euro 2021.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 12, 2020, 11:30:40 PM
Arsenal v Brighton off. The rest will now follow for sure.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 11:31:34 PM
The Government policy is based around delaying the major impact of the disease until the summer. Things aren't going to be better by June. I'd be surprised if it is even business as usual by August. Euros will definitely be postponed. No idea what will happen with the club competitions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:36:19 PM
Arsenal statement

Quote
Our London Colney training centre has been closed after head coach Mikel Arteta received a positive COVID-19 result this evening.

Arsenal personnel who had recent close contact with Mikel will now self-isolate in line with Government health guidelines. We expect this to be a significant number of people from Colney, including the full first-team squad and coaching staff, as well as a smaller number of people from our Hale End Academy which we have also temporarily closed as a precaution.
 
We expect those who did not have close contact with Mikel to return to work in the coming days. In the meantime our Colney and Hale End training centres will undergo a deep clean and our other club sites are operating as normal.
 
Managing director Vinai Venkatesham said: ďThe health of our people and the wider public is our priority and that is where our focus is. Our thoughts are with Mikel who is disappointed but in good spirits. We are in active dialogue with all the relevant people to manage this situation appropriately, and we look forward to getting back to training and playing as soon as medical advice allows.Ē
 
Head of football Raul Sanllehi added: ďMikel and the full first-team squad, players and staff, will be fully supported, and we look forward to getting back to training and playing as soon as medical advice allows. Obviously Mikelís full recovery is the priority now for us all.Ē

We will work with Public Health England on the next steps in regard to our facilities and staff, and with the Premier League, Football Association and relevant clubs around our forthcoming matches in the Premier League and Emirates FA Cup. 

It is clear we will not be able to play some fixtures on their currently scheduled dates. We will update supporters who have tickets for forthcoming games with more information as soon as possible.
 
We are now working to trace any other people who have had recent close contact with Mikel.  We will let them know what has happened and they should follow the NHS guidance which is likely to recommend self-isolation.
 
Mikel said: ďThis is really disappointing but I took the test after feeling poorly. I will be at work as soon as Iím allowed.Ē
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:41:47 PM
Juventus player Paulo Dybala has reportedly tested postive.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 12, 2020, 11:47:09 PM
We have to argue very strongly that there should be no relegation and, if it comes to it, we have a game in hand. Our position should be that there be a 23 team league next year with four relegated in the next three seasons until we get back to 20 teams. Or 4 down and 2 up?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:51:31 PM
If you don't relegate teams then I don't see how you can promote teams.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 12, 2020, 11:55:13 PM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 12, 2020, 11:55:14 PM
If you don't relegate teams then I don't see how you can promote teams.

This.

Fuck the Albion.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 12, 2020, 11:57:21 PM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.

And who do you promote, and on what basis? And why would you promote them but not relegate teams using the same basis used to promote teams?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 12, 2020, 11:57:48 PM
Mendy from Man City self isolating as well. Itís probs hard to avoid getting this, but standing with my kids and 40,000 others seems a bit irresponsible. Iíll give it a miss, especially as only reason it will still go ahead is greed on behalf premier league and Tory Govt wheighing up economic cost vrs old people dying

It's the 20 or so people sat around you and anybody who coughs or sneezes all over you en route to your seat. If you're sat in the upper Holte, you haven't got much to worry about from the majority of the ground or even the block over.

Iím in lower holte, but yea I was over egging the pudding tbh. Still as I drive to work, VP is probs where Iím in contact with more people at once other than the pub. If we were on the 10 game winning streak I might be less risk averse 😬
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 12, 2020, 11:58:17 PM
If you don't relegate teams then I don't see how you can promote teams.

This.

Fuck the Albion.

The most important thing is that they don't relegate us. We have a strong case.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 12, 2020, 11:59:43 PM
Us having a strong defence is a bloody first.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:00:08 AM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.

And who do you promote, and on what basis? And why would you promote them but not relegate teams using the same basis used to promote teams?

Because relegated teams will sue you. Promoted teams are unlikely to sue you so they can go back in the Championship again. Also, Villa Ladies deserve promotion.

There are a few precedents of countries expanding leagues for a season or two in exceptional circumstances.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 12:00:17 AM
In the main schemes of things I couldn't give a fuck about football but I have already highlighted the scenario of Liverpool awarded title * and the league being cancelled with no relegation.
Season then begins 2020/21 when pandemic is over later this year .

EFL can work out there on stuff and financial packages of compensation
But premier league clubs who could mathematically survive will have the case that they will be remaining.
I think the premier league will come up with something similar to  my idea.
I like the German idea too though.
On Tuesday there will be more discussion with 55 uefa countries leagues but I think like England in Brexit and Brussels. The English here will have own idea on how they want the English league to be played out rather than be in some unification with rest of Europe and an agreed strategy to stop football and cancel the league season.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:01:36 AM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.

And who do you promote, and on what basis? And why would you promote them but not relegate teams using the same basis used to promote teams?

Because relegated teams will sue you. Promoted teams are unlikely to sue you so they can go back in the Championship again. Also, Villa Ladies deserve promotion.

And the teams that aren't promoted and are in or around the playoffs are just going to accept it?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 13, 2020, 12:04:56 AM
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Henry Winter@henrywinter

Brighton v Arsenal inevitably postponed following the Arteta development. Premier League now has to suspend league and EFL follow suit. If Euro 2020 postponed to 2021, to be discussed by Uefa on Tuesday, frees space to complete leagues and European club season (if safe).
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:05:01 AM
I don't think you can sue to be included in something you weren't already part of. We would be getting kicked out of a league which we had earned our place in. That's a big difference.

Tbh, I don't see the virus going anywhere soon and I think the best thing, from a sporting perspective, would be to cancel everything until next March then just pick up where we left off. From a financial perspective, though, that would de disastrous for countless clubs. Still, Shankly jokes aside, people's health is far more important than football.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 12:09:14 AM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.

And who do you promote, and on what basis? And why would you promote them but not relegate teams using the same basis used to promote teams?

Because relegated teams will sue you. Promoted teams are unlikely to sue you so they can go back in the Championship again. Also, Villa Ladies deserve promotion.

There are a few precedents of countries expanding leagues for a season or two in exceptional circumstances.

I'm old enough to remember the league going from 22 to 20 clubs in 1995!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:10:58 AM
Just have a bigger league next year. No teams were relegated in 1891 but two teams were still added to the league.

And who do you promote, and on what basis? And why would you promote them but not relegate teams using the same basis used to promote teams?

Because relegated teams will sue you. Promoted teams are unlikely to sue you so they can go back in the Championship again. Also, Villa Ladies deserve promotion.

There are a few precedents of countries expanding leagues for a season or two in exceptional circumstances.

I'm old enough to remember the league going from 22 to 20 clubs in 1995!

Only four years after it going from 20 to 22!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:12:47 AM
Of course they can, it's exactly the same thing you'd be saying we should sue about if we were relegated. And even if they didn't, which they would, we promote 3 teams and don't relegate. We now have a top flight of 23 teams and a second tier with 21 clubs. Now what?
And if we promote from the second division then third division clubs will be wanting to know why they aren't promoted, and so on all the way down the entire footballing pyramid. If we promote from every division then every division will have weird numbers of teams.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:15:05 AM
Of course they can, it's exactly the same thing you'd be saying we should sue about if we were relegated. And even if they didn't, which they would, we promote 3 teams and don't relegate. We now have a top flight of 23 teams and a second tier with 21 clubs. Now what?
And if we promote from the second division then third division clubs will be wanting to know why they aren't promoted, and so on all the way down the entire footballing pyramid. If we promote from every division then every division will have weird numbers of teams.

Every league will have weird numbers of teams for one season, then you arrange next year's promotion and relegation in such a way that it goes back to normal. So, in a 23 team league, the bottom six would be relegated, for instance.

I'd have a 26 team league by preference, though. If we had to do it that way. Let all the top six up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:15:42 AM
So next season 6 teams get relegated from the top flight?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:18:34 AM
Or 9 if you're going for 6 teams promoted and none relegated, and no team that's outside the playoffs by a few points is going to kick up any kind of stink?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:19:48 AM
They can complain but they won't win. You can't sue someone for being kicked out of something you weren't a member of in the first place.

What is your alternative, btw?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 13, 2020, 12:22:56 AM
I'm going Saturday.

I probably mingle/interact with more people in the pubs/shops, over a couple of hours, than I do attending a game.

No one seems to be suggesting people stop going to pubs/clubs, shops, restaurants, etc. Until they do, I'll be attending every match I can.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:24:14 AM
Belgium and Italy have closed pubs and restaurants and shops are open reduced hours for food and emergency supplies only, I believe. More than one article has suggested that football matches would not be televised in pubs so as to discourage people from going there en masse if games were held behind closed doors.

I have moved on from thinking that behind closed doors is any kind of solution, though. Still too much of a risk.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:25:26 AM
They can complain but they won't win. You can't sue someone for being kicked out of something you weren't a member of in the first place.

What is your alternative, btw?

You still haven't said how the league goes back to normal after 1 season, how do you go from 23 or 26 back to 20 in one go? And so on down an entire footballing pyramid.

If this happened at the same time last season we'd still be a second division club as we were 8th after 37 games. There will be so many clubs kicking up a stink, and rightly so. You'd be complaining like fuck if we were stiffed last season, as would all of us.

And i've already said

The more I think of the more it seems impossible to come up with a solution that isn't stiffing some clubs.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:26:47 AM
Relegate nine teams. Easy.

Though I've said my preferred solution is just starting again next March.

The idea that we can get everything sorted this summer is fantasy. The virus will get far worse before it gets better.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:31:19 AM
Relegate nine teams. Easy.

Though I've said my preferred solution is just starting again next March.

The idea that we can get everything sorted this summer is fantasy. The virus will get far worse before it gets better.

No way are they relegating 9 clubs.

If that happens there won't be much of a football league left as most will have gone to the wall.

I agree it could get bad.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 13, 2020, 12:35:19 AM
The announcement tomorrow will be the season is suspended until further notice.

The only feasible option would be to resume the current PL and EFL campaigns some time in the near future.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:36:35 AM
The Third Division relegated 24 clubs in 1958...

(I'm not doing my bit to dispel the Villa historian stereotype here, admittedly).
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:37:28 AM
The announcement tomorrow will be the season is suspended until further notice.

The only feasible option would be to resume the current PL and EFL campaigns some time in the near future.

If by the "near future" you mean at the very least five to six months from now, then maybe.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Goldie.7 on March 13, 2020, 12:37:35 AM
I'm going Saturday.

I don't know where you're going but it won't be inside Villa Park.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2020, 12:38:48 AM
The Third Division relegated 24 clubs in 1958...

(I'm not doing my bit to dispel the Villa historian stereotype here, admittedly).

Quiz quesion - which Villa player played in five divisions?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:41:37 AM
The PL will not relegate 9 clubs. Same as it won't promote 6.

If we have to wait a year to restart then we'll be lucky if 24 FL clubs survive, although if things are bad enough that there's a year of no football then I doubt anyone will give much of a shite about any club.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:41:56 AM
I reckon Julian Joachim has probably played in about eight but guess that's not the answer you're after.

I don't think I know this. Guess at Jim Dugdale but only because he's the first fifties footballer I thought of.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 12:47:22 AM
As I see it, the PL & the EFl are two different entities.  I'm not sure how closely they work with each other.

It is the PL's gift to decide who becomes members surely?  There is probably an agreement between the 2 leagues that 3 teams from each swap places at the end of each season.  However, if the season doesn't finish, would the PL be obliged to accept 3 teams?

It could be that the PL set the precedent and it has a domino effect throughout the EFL leagues.  For example, if the PL were to refuse entry to 3 teams, would the EFL then cancel all of their promotions and relegations?

Could the PL accept just 2 teams this season and relegate 4 the following season?  In that scenario, teams like Fulham & Brentford would miss out on the opportunity to compete for second place and also compete in the play offs.

These are exceptional circumstances and will no doubt require exceptional measures.  Any disputes are likely to go to arbitration rather than civil claims.

Whatever decision is finally agreed on, somebody is going to be left upset.  A lot will depend on wording within the PL rules and if they have a contingency for exceptional circumstances - Also, whether the 2 bodies have a good relationship with each other or whether it's strained.  I can't imagine the EFL being overly keen on the FA but modern times may have bought them closer together.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:47:38 AM
Anyone know how much money the Premier League has in the bank? Could they afford to bail out the lower leagues and, if so, for how long? Is there also a chance that Sky and BT could be in financial bother if there is no live sport for months on end or are they so rich that they would be fine?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 13, 2020, 12:48:16 AM
Somebody who came from non league, or went abroad, like David Platt?
(Answering Dave!)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:51:13 AM
I don't think he ever played non-league. Given that DW replied to me banging on about 1958, I assume he's after someone that played in (the old) Divisions One, Two, Three (North), Three (South) and Four.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:51:14 AM
Anyone know how much money the Premier League has in the bank? Could they afford to bail out the lower leagues and, if so, for how long? Is there also a chance that Sky and BT could be in financial bother if there is no live sport for months on end or are they so rich that they would be fine?

Not a clue on the PL but I read recently that the IOC has a reserve kitty of something like £700m!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:53:02 AM
All professional tennis has been suspended until at least April 20th.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:53:35 AM
Is that just to compensate Tokyo if it gets cancelled? I read somewhere that the Olympics can't be postponed, as it has to stick to the four year Olympiads. Shame, because next year with men's and women's Euros plus the Olympics would be ace if they all get postponed.

If any of us are left alive to watch them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 12:55:15 AM
Ok so now it's been said the Premier League is expected to call off all matches this weekend.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:56:35 AM
Is that just to compensate Tokyo if it gets cancelled? I read somewhere that the Olympics can't be postponed, as it has to stick to the four year Olympiads. Shame, because next year with men's and women's Euros plus the Olympics would be ace if they all get postponed.

If any of us are left alive to watch them.

The IOC pay something like £25m in insurance to insure the £800m (I think it was) they invest in the games.

I know they are a bit screwed delaying the Olympics as they sold all the Olympic village as housing and the dates for everyone to move in are just after the paralympics end.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 12:56:49 AM
From the Indepenent:

A number of club officials disagree with the Premier Leagueís decision to persist with a normal season, with a small minority even feeling the campaign should be voided, as football was thrown into further disarray by the coronavirus crisis on Thursday evening.

Arsenal announced that head coach Mikel Arteta had tested positive a mere 45 minutes after the competition had announced the fixtures would continue as normal.

The announcement from the Gunners raises questions about communication and casts doubt on the controversial plans.

The developments have seen the Premier League call for an emergency meeting on Friday morning, to discuss the rest of the season. And there is an increasing feeling that the league will be suspended for a month.

The Independent has been told that some clubs will push for a suspension and that there is a minority of officials who will argue that the campaign should be voided.

Regardless of any individual feelings, however, the logistical nightmare caused by Artetaís unfortunate situation could make much of that immaterial.

Arsenalís match against Brighton and Hove Albion this weekend will have to be called off as the squad goes into quarantine, and the club has admitted they may struggle to fulfil fixtures.

The Premier League had previously taken their lead from the government, which had been adamant that closing stadiums was reactionary, and not actually that beneficial.

That stance has been undercut by participating figures like Arteta actually contracting the virus, as it illustrates a host of other problems beyond the actual benefit of shutting down mass gatherings like football matches.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2020, 12:58:32 AM
Somebody who came from non league, or went abroad, like David Platt?
(Answering Dave!)

All in the Football League and all for one club.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 12:59:19 AM
Some clubs will push for a suspension and that there is a minority of officials who will argue that the campaign should be voided.
Let's call it all off
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 12:59:50 AM
One club, must be someone in The Midlands if they played in Third Division North and South. Coventry or maybe Northampton?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:00:07 AM
Somebody who came from non league, or went abroad, like David Platt?
(Answering Dave!)

All in the Football League and all for one club.

Someone we signed but never played a first team game for us?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 13, 2020, 01:01:00 AM
Is that just to compensate Tokyo if it gets cancelled? I read somewhere that the Olympics can't be postponed, as it has to stick to the four year Olympiads. Shame, because next year with men's and women's Euros plus the Olympics would be ace if they all get postponed.

If any of us are left alive to watch them.

I know you're probably joking but, for those you might have scared, the mortality rate is incredibly low. Particularly if you are under 80 with no major health complications.

Football will survive, as well as billions of people currently walking the earth.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 13, 2020, 01:01:12 AM
I don't think he ever played non-league. Given that DW replied to me banging on about 1958, I assume he's after someone that played in (the old) Divisions One, Two, Three (North), Three (South) and Four.

Ah, just realised how it reads.
I was thinking of 2 possible ways that a player could have been in 5 Divisions, but couldnít think of someone whoíd started in non-league! I knew Platt had come from Crewe though, and thought they might have been D4 at the time.

Forgot there were North and South Divisions in the olden days.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 01:01:22 AM
Mortality rate is about 6% in Italy. (Though I don't really think everyone will be dead). I read an article that says Italy doesn't have enough respirators in hospitals to meet demand, and anyone sixty or over is deemed not a priority. Pretty scary stuff.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:04:15 AM
Spanish flu did 50-100m and that was before the days of global travel. It's unlikely this will be as bad but if sport is shut down for a year, it's going to be fucking bad. And not because there's no sport.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 13, 2020, 01:05:58 AM
Somebody who came from non league, or went abroad, like David Platt?
(Answering Dave!)

All in the Football League and all for one club.

Did someone play for us twice, getting promoted each time?!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 01:06:08 AM
I think the particular circumstances of the world being at war made Spanish Flu more deadly. But I do think we could be looking at a death toll in the millions here.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 13, 2020, 01:06:25 AM
I know this is not the fault of Football but financially the world and all of us eventually are going to be in the shit.

Last week I thought nothing of the Virus to be honest and thought it would all soon go away but this is going to cause so many Global problems,I don't think life will be the same again for a long time

This could finally burst the bubble of Football and the money in it! The money in it and players wages have got out of control. This could be the end !
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villa75 on March 13, 2020, 01:09:35 AM
Mortality rate is about 6% in Italy. (Though I don't really think everyone will be dead). I read an article that says Italy doesn't have enough respirators in hospitals to meet demand, and anyone sixty or over is deemed not a priority. Pretty scary stuff.


And an average death age of 81.

The mortality rate across the world is estimated to be about 1%. Even less if you're under 80 with decent health.

As I said. Football, along with billions of people will survive.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 01:10:55 AM
Well, obviously billions will survive. Even the estimate of 1% is still a shit tonne of deaths, though.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:14:15 AM
Anyone that thinks that if a worst case scenario happens the world isn't going to be a very different place is going to have a bit of a shock imo. Hopefully it won't happen but simple logic says it could be very bad.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 01:15:05 AM
Mortality rate is about 6% in Italy. (Though I don't really think everyone will be dead). I read an article that says Italy doesn't have enough respirators in hospitals to meet demand, and anyone sixty or over is deemed not a priority. Pretty scary stuff.


And an average death age of 81.

The mortality rate across the world is estimated to be about 1%. Even less if you're under 80 with decent health.

As I said. Football, along with billions of people will survive.

There are credible reports that countries like China and Iran have not divulged the true extent of the epidemic.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Gareth on March 13, 2020, 01:16:00 AM
If the season was suspended for more than a couple of months I canít see how they could complete it because you will have contracts ending, some players have already signed for new clubs as of July 1st etc.

Voiding is a complete nightmare, impossible to award a title, decide European places, decide relegation or decide promotion when you started a competition with criteria for all those to take place but the competition is based upon everyone playing everyone twice.  For instance in Championship the teams 3rd to 10th could argue that Leeds & West Brom blew up last year so thereís a viable possibility that they do the same again
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:17:16 AM
If the season was suspended for more than a couple of months I canít see how they could complete it because you will have contracts ending, some players have already signed for new clubs as of July 1st etc.

Voiding is a complete nightmare, impossible to award a title, decide European places, decide relegation or decide promotion when you started a competition with criteria for all those to take place but the competition is based upon everyone playing everyone twice.  For instance in Championship the teams 3rd to 10th could argue that Leeds & West Brom blew up last year so thereís a viable possibility that they do the same again

As i've said, we were 8th last season after 37 games, after 29 games in 2016 Leicester were worse than Norwich.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 01:17:40 AM
If the season was suspended for more than a couple of months I canít see how they could complete it because you will have contracts ending, some players have already signed for new clubs as of July 1st etc.

Voiding is a complete nightmare, impossible to award a title, decide European places, decide relegation or decide promotion when you started a competition with criteria for all those to take place but the competition is based upon everyone playing everyone twice.  For instance in Championship the teams 3rd to 10th could argue that Leeds & West Brom blew up last year so thereís a viable possibility that they do the same again

Also, what would you do about the summer transfer window and of course preparing for the following season?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 01:24:26 AM
Spanish flu did 50-100m and that was before the days of global travel. It's unlikely this will be as bad but if sport is shut down for a year, it's going to be fucking bad. And not because there's no sport.

Spanish flu also afflicted people in their prime very badly. The immune response was so strong that people drowned in their own phlegm. They keep saying it's only people over 60 who should worry this time but I'm not so sure.

This is still an unknown virus, who's to say we won't eventually have sad cases of healthy people succumbing due to immune system response
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 13, 2020, 01:28:53 AM
I think the easiest option is cancel this season,no promotions/relegations. The top 4 from the previous season get those spots etc,basically forget any football has been played and start again when possible.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:30:09 AM
Anyone with cancer, lung disease, heart disease and so on is in serious danger if they get it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: shipscat on March 13, 2020, 01:42:07 AM
Can't see the game vs Chelsea happening now definitely.."Chelseaís Callum Hudson-Odoi tests positive for #Coronavirus & entire Chelsea squad to a self-isolate"
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 01:42:13 AM
As Villa I Am said in the match thread, Hudson-Adoi has tested positive and Chelsea are self-isolating. No chance that the Villa game goes ahead this weekend.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2020, 03:08:33 AM
Mortality rate is about 6% in Italy. (Though I don't really think everyone will be dead). I read an article that says Italy doesn't have enough respirators in hospitals to meet demand, and anyone sixty or over is deemed not a priority. Pretty scary stuff.


And an average death age of 81.

The mortality rate across the world is estimated to be about 1%. Even less if you're under 80 with decent health.

As I said. Football, along with billions of people will survive.

There are credible reports that countries like China and Iran have not divulged the true extent of the epidemic.

I'd add Japan to that list, also.

The government is completely obsessed with the Olympics, and people are wondering if they're withholding the true data regarding deaths.

Who knows.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2020, 03:19:59 AM
This is exactly the reason why Force Majeure is written into contracts.
Which is why they are most likely to make this season nul and void.
The only other possibility is to suspend the season and restart again when possible, but as pointed out that is far from simple and would probably mean tagging this season onto the beginning of the next season.
The Football calander will have to be rewritten but that now goes for so much of Life .
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 04:22:44 AM
I don't see how you can suspend the season, this isn't going to go away until they find a vaccination because players and managers will be getting sick over the next twelve months and beyond at different times, Only takes one player and the whole team has to isolate. They still don't know for sure whether you are immune for a period after contracting the disease. This is with us for a very long time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 13, 2020, 05:56:22 AM
I think this season is over. 😞
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2020, 06:18:08 AM
It needs to be pulled. Itís utterly irresponsible to continue and exacerbate risk of exposure. Iím not convinced you can suspend it either, although thatíd be the first step. Itíll have to be voiding. Weíve no idea how long this will be a major issue.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 06:22:21 AM
I have just watched a CNN special where they interviewed a passenger off one of the cruise ships who has gone into isolation, he has been contagious for twenty eight days and still positive.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2020, 06:24:17 AM
Hope the interview was remote!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 06:33:10 AM
Arsenal, Chelsea and Leicester all affected, so far. Given that they've all played games since their staff contracted it, you can bet other teams will too. Including us.

Suspension for at least this weekend will happen. Then UEFA meet on Tuesday and they will decide a larger suspension of leagues and Euro 20.

We will then see further suspension until this has gone. I do wonder if anything will happen for quite some time. We may not even see next season either.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr-villa on March 13, 2020, 06:44:01 AM
Yes just heard on 5 live that Celsea's entire fist team squad are now self isolating as Callum Hudson-Odoi has tested +ve.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 13, 2020, 06:45:33 AM
Reading the comments on here, it feels as though the end of the world is coming! - if it does then I would just like to say that I have had a great life!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 13, 2020, 06:49:49 AM
On a purely footballing side, is it wrong to feel slightly relieved by all this?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2020, 06:59:57 AM
Depends whether this time next year you can look at full house at Villa Park and know that as many as five per cent of that number had died since March 2020.  Us old and ailing buggers are Villa fans too.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: AV82EC on March 13, 2020, 07:01:11 AM
Not really, thereís more important stuff than football.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 13, 2020, 07:05:46 AM
Looking at the graph on BBC News last night, if the season's suspended (which is becoming the only viable option), I can't seeing anything restarting before January 2021, maybe later.

I'd be inclined to think:
- it won't be feasible to hold the Champs League etc next season as few, if any, leagues will complete
- promotion/relegation will be almost impossible for the same reason
- there's no danger of a full season before 2021/22

I'm reckoning they'll suspend this season, not to be resumed.

Possibly a sensible option, given 2020/21 season will be short, is to have one season only "playoff" divisions of 10/12/14, based on current League positions, everyone starting at 0pts. Individual size decided by who's in the running this season, e.g. you'd probably want one containing everyone from maybe 14th in the PL to 6th in the Championship.

Absolutely no way the Olympics are happening. If they *have* to be on a 4 yearly cycle, they'll be cancelled and Tokyo given the next available one (2028?)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2020, 07:08:53 AM
It depends what the models for immunity suggest. The difference in September, where we're likely to be numbers wise as we are now, is that the risk diminishes as the majority of people will have had it and be immune.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 13, 2020, 07:10:22 AM
If clubs are not allowed to play until January 2021 then - most clubs will be bankrupt and all the players will be on the dole - there is no way a club can keep giving a footballer £100k a week and not get any income.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on March 13, 2020, 07:25:30 AM
At least Klopp can stop moaning now about a congested fixture list. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 13, 2020, 07:26:21 AM
Depends whether this time next year you can look at full house at Villa Park and know that as many as five per cent of that number had died since March 2020.  Us old and ailing buggers are Villa fans too.

As I said, on a purely footballing side.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 07:26:38 AM
At least Klopp can stop moaning now about a congested fixture list.

Bet he wishes they'd squeezed a couple more in over Xmas now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 13, 2020, 07:28:38 AM
Not really, thereís more important stuff than football.

Yes but that thread is going on in Off Topic. This one is about how itís impacting on the Villa.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 07:30:03 AM
Depends whether this time next year you can look at full house at Villa Park and know that as many as five per cent of that number had died since March 2020.  Us old and ailing buggers are Villa fans too.

As I said, on a purely footballing side.

I'm absolutely delighted - I can't hide or control emotions.

That doesn't mean that I'm not aware or considering the consequences.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 13, 2020, 07:35:14 AM
Maybe they will keep the league as is and appease the championship clubs with the parachute payments that would have gone to the relegated teams?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: taylorsworkrate on March 13, 2020, 07:46:46 AM
Callum Hudson Odoi has tested positive. Really cannot see how at the very least our game can now go ahead
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2020, 08:00:12 AM
We, the fans, especially those who actually attend games, are as much part of football as the players and the coaches.  Whether we actually live or die impacts directly on the game.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 13, 2020, 08:11:56 AM
We, the fans, especially those who actually attend games, are as much part of football as the players and the coaches.  Whether we actually live or die impacts directly on the game.

Well can you sort out our defending on set pieces then please.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 13, 2020, 08:17:55 AM
yes you are the self appointed patronizing expert on this and other subjectS to the point of tediousness.
If you don’t get humor then surely it’s time for another flounce.
No need.  Some things get lost in tranlation and not everybody has a brilliant wit like you.

zelfs ik ben geen briljante mees zoals jij


larf
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2020, 08:28:43 AM
We, the fans, especially those who actually attend games, are as much part of football as the players and the coaches.  Whether we actually live or die impacts directly on the game.

Well can you sort out our defending on set pieces then please.

If any of our defenders got it, there would be no need for the rest of them to self isolate, as they always make a point of leaving several metres of space between them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2020, 08:33:09 AM
If clubs are not allowed to play until January 2021 then - most clubs will be bankrupt and all the players will be on the dole - there is no way a club can keep giving a footballer £100k a week and not get any income.

The current thinking appears to be that the Euros will get pushed back into 2021 and the domestic leagues will be extended into the summer, to get them completed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 08:35:41 AM
The current thinking has no basis in logic, then. Government policy is to delay the worst impact of the disease until summer. Why would anyone think we will be able to play league games in June?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 08:39:51 AM
On a purely footballing side, is it wrong to feel slightly relieved by all this?


Taken in isolation, on the purely football side, I'm planning a party* for
ēUs staying up
ē'The Mighty Reds YNWA' not winning the league
ēLeeds not coming up
ēStripeyfilth not coming up

*due to social distancing recommendations, none of you are invited.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john e on March 13, 2020, 08:47:18 AM
On a purely footballing side, is it wrong to feel slightly relieved by all this?


Taken in isolation, on the purely football side, I'm planning a party* for
ēUs staying up
ē'The Mighty Reds YNWA' not winning the league
ēLeeds not coming up
ēStripeyfilth not coming up

*due to social distancing recommendations, none of you are invited.

Bring a bott.......hand sanitiser
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 08:58:20 AM
Accrington Stanley v Pompey off because the latter played Arsenal last week.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 08:59:52 AM
If the Euro's get postponed until 2021 (which is heavily mooted), then they could extend the domestic season into the summer.
Shutdown football from now until May and then resume when things settle down.

That gives us plenty of time to replace Smith and for his replacement to sort out our squad for those remaining games.
Job done !     
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2020, 09:00:15 AM
Apparently the bundesliga plan is to end the season now.

Top four as it stands into Europe, no relegation, top two in their championship come up, next season two more clubs than usual get relegated.

Sounds good to me.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 09:02:10 AM
Although slightly easier for them as they only have eighteen teams to start with. But yeah, I'm down with something like that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: UK Redsox on March 13, 2020, 09:02:27 AM
Apparently the bundesliga plan is to end the season now.

Top four as it stands into Europe, no relegation, top two in their championship come up, next season two more clubs than usual get relegated.

Sounds good to me.

I like that plan
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 13, 2020, 09:07:12 AM
Can see it being announced later today that the season will be postponed indefinitely.  Heard someone on the radio earlier saying that the football authorities are hinting that they are favouring the idea of postponements rather than playing behind closed doors or cancelling.

Given the news about the Chelsea player, can't see any way our game will go ahead tomorrow now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 09:20:05 AM
Yeah, and if Portsmouth are off because they played Arsenal then surely team the other team that played Arsenal recently and those that played against Leicester, Chelsea and Real Madrid should be off too, as a minimum. So that's Villa, West Ham, Liverpool, Bournemouth, Man City, Blose
Watford and Norwich off for starters. Just call the whole thing off.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 09:23:40 AM
Depends whether this time next year you can look at full house at Villa Park and know that as many as five per cent of that number had died since March 2020.  Us old and ailing buggers are Villa fans too.

Brian we are of the same vintage, I have two Grandkids living next door and two more round the corner all of whom we have pick up and looking after responsibilities, I told my son next door I hope you have a plan b, they won't know what's hit them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 13, 2020, 09:26:07 AM
Apparently the bundesliga plan is to end the season now.

Top four as it stands into Europe, no relegation, top two in their championship come up, next season two more clubs than usual get relegated.

Sounds good to me.

That sounds reasonable, although I would probably simplify things a bit by not allowing the Albion to come up. On grounds I haven't yet thought about too deeply yet.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: walsall villain on March 13, 2020, 09:26:47 AM
Depends whether this time next year you can look at full house at Villa Park and know that as many as five per cent of that number had died since March 2020.  Us old and ailing buggers are Villa fans too.

Brian we are of the same vintage, I have two Grandkids living next door and two more round the corner all of whom we have pick up and looking after responsibilities, I told my son next door I hope you have a plan b, they won't know what's hit them.
You lose count of the illnesses you pick up from your grandchildren. Thatís the route of the virus I fear most.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on March 13, 2020, 09:34:48 AM
Apparently the bundesliga plan is to end the season now.

Top four as it stands into Europe, no relegation, top two in their championship come up, next season two more clubs than usual get relegated.

Sounds good to me.

That sounds reasonable, although I would probably simplify things a bit by not allowing the Albion to come up. On grounds I haven't yet thought about too deeply yet.

Cleanliness.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2020, 09:37:52 AM
Everton first team squad now in self isolation.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 09:40:39 AM
A few days ago, I came on here and said that the problem will be if the virus gets into the playing squads.

 I had no idea how quickly that would happen.

The only issue now is how the season will be would up. And even that is trivial in the face of senior citizens dying in large numbers.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 09:42:10 AM
If the Euro's get postponed until 2021 (which is heavily mooted), then they could extend the domestic season into the summer.
Shutdown football from now until May and then resume when things settle down.

That gives us plenty of time to replace Smith and for his replacement to sort out our squad for those remaining games.
Job done !     
Medical experts saying 3-4 months before peak.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: qwerty on March 13, 2020, 09:43:56 AM
It is now almost certain that all UK football leagues will be halted and that promotion and relegation will be scrapped for this season.
Itís an ill wind that blows nobody any good and Villa are likely to be one of the main beneficiaries of the Covid-19 outbreak.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 09:51:22 AM
On a purely footballing side, is it wrong to feel slightly relieved by all this?

NO! The last 24 hours has been quite a relief as a villa fan!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2020, 09:54:37 AM
How many times is the word spwany going to be used on Small Heath Alliance in the next few weeks?

>1000 I wager.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 09:56:54 AM
How many times is the word spwany going to be used on Small Heath Alliance in the next few weeks?

>1000 I wager.
Sun shines on the righteous just as surely as shit falls on the Noses!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 10:01:45 AM
A few days ago, I came on here and said that the problem will be if the virus gets into the playing squads.

 I had no idea how quickly that would happen.

The only issue now is how the season will be would up. And even that is trivial in the face of senior citizens dying in large numbers.

Yes, and this is only in the early stages of the virus. What on earth will it be like in the escalation and peak stages?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 10:01:53 AM
Yes just heard on 5 live that Celsea's entire fist team squad are now self isolating as Callum Hudson-Odoi has tested +ve.

Fist self isolating... A private wank.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Pete3206 on March 13, 2020, 10:03:47 AM
Leeds promotion hopes dashed again?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 10:06:14 AM
Leeds promotion hopes dashed again?

I really, really hope so.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 13, 2020, 10:07:55 AM
Leeds promotion hopes dashed again?

I really, really hope so.

Theyíre not taking it well on Twitter.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 13, 2020, 10:09:33 AM
Reckon a 4 week suspension and then they play games after that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 13, 2020, 10:10:36 AM
All next week's Champions League & Europa League games postponed.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 10:14:35 AM
Reckon a 4 week suspension and then they play games after that.

I repeat. Peak infection rate is not expected to be for 3 - 4 months.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 13, 2020, 10:15:35 AM
Reckon a 4 week suspension and then they play games after that.

I repeat. Peak infection rate is not expected to be for 3 - 4 months.

This is what I think they will announce today.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: DrGonzo on March 13, 2020, 10:16:40 AM
Can you imagine... I hardly want to even type this but the thought has occurred to me now so you can all share in my fear... that, well, what if... WHAT IF.... the season is cancelled but we are forced to start next season with the same squad because the season is considered reset?  There are asked it?  What a horrible thought!!  I could hardly sleep last night for imagining the horrors of another 38 games like Monday's *little vomity face thingy*...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
Can you imagine... I hardly want to even type this but the thought has occurred to me now so you can all share in my fear... that, well, what if... WHAT IF.... the season is cancelled but we are forced to start next season with the same squad because the season is considered reset?  There are asked it?  What a horrible thought!!  I could hardly sleep last night for imagining the horrors of another 38 games like Monday's *little vomity face thingy*...

A lot of our problems this year were down to inexperience and naivety. I think Douglas Luiz, Nakamba, Fred, Samatta, AEG and, dare I say it, even the current management team, will be better over a full season for what they have experienced so far. For a start, we would surely be better at grinding out the odd crucial point?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 13, 2020, 10:19:48 AM
Five Bournemouth players including Boruc self-isolating.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 10:20:27 AM
With my cynical hat on, I think the PL, on behalf of their global media partners, will be desperate to plough on long enough for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to get these two wins they need.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: DrGonzo on March 13, 2020, 10:21:06 AM
Can you imagine... I hardly want to even type this but the thought has occurred to me now so you can all share in my fear... that, well, what if... WHAT IF.... the season is cancelled but we are forced to start next season with the same squad because the season is considered reset?  There I asked it... What a horrible thought!!  I could hardly sleep last night for imagining the horrors of another 38 games like Monday's *little vomity face thingy*...

A lot of our problems this year were down to inexperience and naivety. I think Douglas Luiz, Nakamba, Fred, Samatta, AEG and, dare I say it, even the current management team, will be better over a full season for what they have experienced so far. For a start, we would surely be better at grinding out the odd crucial point?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 13, 2020, 10:22:16 AM
For those who weren't up late last night.
 

The Third Division relegated 24 clubs in 1958...

(I'm not doing my bit to dispel the Villa historian stereotype here, admittedly).

Quiz quesion - which Villa player played in five divisions?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 10:23:16 AM
We'd have Wes, Heaton and Mings back. There would be a full pre(mid) season too.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 10:26:41 AM
With my cynical hat on, I think the PL, on behalf of their global media partners, will be desperate to plough on long enough for 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' to get these two wins they need.
More importantly, not give Sky a refund.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Nelson Lodge on March 13, 2020, 10:28:09 AM
UEFA have taken a decision.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51870540
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: darren woolley on March 13, 2020, 10:32:16 AM
Will we get to finish the season or will it just end here and now I bet Liverpool will be gutted if the season finished now and this season is null and void.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2020, 10:33:35 AM
I doubt they'll void it today. Likely pospotend for a month of six weeks and revisited.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: darren woolley on March 13, 2020, 10:37:01 AM
I doubt they'll void it today. Likely pospotend for a month of six weeks and revisited.

Seem's the best idea postpone the game's play the game's later on.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 13, 2020, 10:38:03 AM
At least a 3 week suspension. I was one week out!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 10:38:35 AM
all footy suspended till April 4th apparently
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 13, 2020, 10:41:44 AM
all footy suspended till April 4th apparently


Thats the EFL I think.  As always the Premier League are still bean counting to see what is best for everyone.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 10:45:31 AM
Out of interest, where are people reading this suspension news?

I see a Dan Roan tweet. Anything else?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Kingthing on March 13, 2020, 10:47:48 AM
We'll probably still lose on the pools coupon.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 13, 2020, 10:48:45 AM
The EFL suspension is on the BBC, sourced from their own Sports Editors Twitter feed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 10:49:11 AM
Unofficial: Premier League suspended til 4th April - Sky sources
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mouse Potato on March 13, 2020, 10:49:34 AM
Out of interest, where are people reading this suspension news?

I see a Dan Roan tweet. Anything else?

BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/51867944
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 13, 2020, 10:49:49 AM
I cant actually see anything about Hudson-Adoi doing anything other than self isolating as he has a cold?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: balloubaby on March 13, 2020, 10:51:05 AM
News coming from sky sports now with both EFL and Prem suspended till 4 Apr and then to review. Not official yet
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 10:53:52 AM
Out of interest, where are people reading this suspension news?

I see a Dan Roan tweet. Anything else?

BBC News

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/51867944


Got it, cheers. If you click on the tweet it links to, it's a two-parter...
https://twitter.com/danroan/status/1238413204503629824?s=19
Quote
Privately, officials admit very little chance of football resuming as early as Apr 4th so further extension then seems almost certain, unless season is abandoned, but review looks set to happen then if Prem League agree with EFL
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 10:56:14 AM
Noses on SHA getting agitated that the PL maybe scrapped for this season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 11:03:23 AM
here is a silver lining.

Liverpool s first game after 4th April is against Man City - the proverbial 6 pointer.
If they win that they win the league.

Their next game is Villa at home.
 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 13, 2020, 11:05:48 AM
There's not a bat in Wuhan's chance that football will resume on April 4th.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mallo on March 13, 2020, 11:13:12 AM
There's not a bat in Wuhan's chance that football will resume on April 4th.
heís getting better
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2020, 11:21:08 AM
Time to give Pochettino a call ...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Nelson Lodge on March 13, 2020, 11:21:33 AM
Prem & EFL suspended

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51867989
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 13, 2020, 11:23:23 AM
It is going to be along few weeks with no football to look forward to.

Hopefully the season will be resumed at some point.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Nelson Lodge on March 13, 2020, 11:23:50 AM
Time then to get a new Manager/Head Coach settled in place?

Also time to get McGinn ready and may be even Jed Steer will be back.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 13, 2020, 11:25:00 AM
I think this is just a holding decision before a total abandonment.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: in exile on March 13, 2020, 11:25:29 AM
Heaton and Wesley could be back by the time we play again!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robleflaneur on March 13, 2020, 11:29:28 AM
A cancellation of the Euros will be important.Without a cancellation,I can see it being a struggle to complete the fixtures with at least Chelsea,Arsenal.,Everton and probably Leicester and Watford being virus hit.
A cancellation would give leagues a chance to  extend a postponement past April which looks a bit optimistic .
I would give Liverpool the title,promote the top 4 from the Championship,no relegation from the Prem .Next season sees a 46 game PL which restarts in July with the PL clubs having to pay £6--7m to help out the lower leagues.
Everyone happy.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 11:30:08 AM
Yeah 4th April good luck with that, idiots.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 11:32:51 AM
A cancellation of the Euros will be important.Without a cancellation,I can see it being a struggle to complete the fixtures with at least Chelsea,Arsenal.,Everton and probably Leicester and Watford being virus hit.
A cancellation would give leagues a chance to  extend a postponement past April which looks a bit optimistic .
I would give Liverpool the title,promote the top 4 from the Championship,no relegation from the Prem .Next season sees a 46 game PL which restarts in July with the PL clubs having to pay £6--7m to help out the lower leagues.
Everyone happy.

I don't fucking think so, matey!!!!!11!!!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chris Smith on March 13, 2020, 11:33:00 AM
I think this is just a holding decision before a total abandonment.

My guess too, theyíll have a lot of contingency planning to do in the interim.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2020, 11:42:37 AM
There's no way the Euros are going ahead with mass travel across all of Europe. Get ready for Euro 2021.

The Premier League will struggle to finish too and so the big question is, do they stick with the existing table or just reset for next season?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2020, 11:43:03 AM
All football should stop for this season with current positions frozen. No relegations from any League. Promote top two from championship to Premier League and run a 22 team League next season. 4 teams to be relegated from PL at the end of next season and two promoted from the championship. Return to 20 teams in season 22/23. Repeat this model in all leagues.
And oh yes make Liverpool champions simply because they are so far ahead that no under team can claim unfairness.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2020, 11:43:59 AM
A cancellation of the Euros will be important.Without a cancellation,I can see it being a struggle to complete the fixtures with at least Chelsea,Arsenal.,Everton and probably Leicester and Watford being virus hit.
A cancellation would give leagues a chance to  extend a postponement past April which looks a bit optimistic .
I would give Liverpool the title,promote the top 4 from the Championship,no relegation from the Prem .Next season sees a 46 game PL which restarts in July with the PL clubs having to pay £6--7m to help out the lower leagues.
Everyone happy.

I don't fucking think so, matey!!!!!11!!!

Haha.

I say just write this season off. Liverpool will just have to wait a little bit longer for their league title. They won't mind, I'm sure.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 11:46:07 AM
It is going to be along few weeks with no football to look forward to.

Hopefully the season will be resumed at some point.

I can't see it. Numbers of people with the virus expected to increase week on week for 3 to 4 months to a peak. I'd be surprised if no football players or management staff don't get affected. Government are likely to place further restrictions on people's movement
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 13, 2020, 11:47:51 AM
There's no way the Euros are going ahead with mass travel across all of Europe. Get ready for Euro 2021.

The Premier League will struggle to finish too and so the big question is, do they stick with the existing table or just reset for next season?

No chance of that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2020, 11:48:14 AM
All football should stop for this season with current positions frozen. No relegations from any League. Promote top two from championship to Premier League and run a 22 team League next season. 4 teams to be relegated from PL at the end of next season and two promoted from the championship. Return to 20 teams in season 22/23. Repeat this model in all leagues.
And oh yes make Liverpool champions simply because they are so far ahead that no under team can claim unfairness.

You were doing so well until your last point, mate.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 13, 2020, 11:48:44 AM
Youíre a hard man Axl😂
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Axl Rose on March 13, 2020, 11:49:53 AM
Youíre a hard man Axl😂

Haha. When those lot are concerned :D
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2020, 11:59:50 AM
There's no way the Euros are going ahead with mass travel across all of Europe. Get ready for Euro 2021.

The Premier League will struggle to finish too and so the big question is, do they stick with the existing table or just reset for next season?
Given how tight it is from Brighton downwards, I can't imagine that anyone would be able to hold that line.My guess is that they will reset for next season.Which will massivley piss off Dirty Leeds and the Bitters.
Whatever happens, Villa has to take this opportunity to sort themselves out, in terms of coaching and team management.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robleflaneur on March 13, 2020, 12:01:27 PM
I can't see a resumption before May.Even with a cancellation of the Euros and completing all the fixtures and the importance of the cashcow that is the Champions League ,games will run into late June in a very very optimistic scenario and possibly behind closed doors,ok for the PL but not affordable for the lower leagues.Finance will be a big issue..Next season's restart with a possible Euro 21 can only be guessed.
So horse trading could become important if the season is curtailed,Champions,Euro places would be a PL issue.With relegation and promotion ,the PL clubs have the financial clout to sweeten deals with Championship clubs.A temporary fix would certainly be in Villa's interests and Championship clubs who have no prospect of finishing in the top 6.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robleflaneur on March 13, 2020, 12:06:05 PM
All football should stop for this season with current positions frozen. No relegations from any League. Promote top two from championship to Premier League and run a 22 team League next season. 4 teams to be relegated from PL at the end of next season and two promoted from the championship. Return to 20 teams in season 22/23. Repeat this model in all leagues.
And oh yes make Liverpool champions simply because they are so far ahead that no under team can claim unfairness.

You were doing so well until your last point, mate.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 12:06:18 PM
I think this is just a holding decision before a total abandonment.

My guess too, theyíll have a lot of contingency planning to do in the interim.
Kicked it into the long grass for 3 weeks.

Problem is that the virus is not predicted to peak until July.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: manic-road on March 13, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Sky News are reporting that Christian Purslow was the only CEO to attend the Premier League meeting this morning in discussions about cancelling matches until at least April.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 13, 2020, 12:18:10 PM
Sky News are reporting that Christian Purslow was the only CEO to attend the Premier League meeting this morning in discussions about cancelling matches until at least April.
???
Where were the others?!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:19:58 PM
All football should stop for this season with current positions frozen. No relegations from any League. Promote top two from championship to Premier League and run a 22 team League next season. 4 teams to be relegated from PL at the end of next season and two promoted from the championship. Return to 20 teams in season 22/23. Repeat this model in all leagues.
And oh yes make Liverpool champions simply because they are so far ahead that no under team can claim unfairness.
This is broadly what I was thinking, but 4 relegated for 2 seasons running and Chapionship back to 3 promotions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 13, 2020, 12:20:59 PM
Sky News are reporting that Christian Purslow was the only CEO to attend the Premier League meeting this morning in discussions about cancelling matches until at least April.
???
Where were the others?!
Video call.....Christian was there to represent our best interests.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:24:41 PM
Sky News are reporting that Christian Purslow was the only CEO to attend the Premier League meeting this morning in discussions about cancelling matches until at least April.
???
Where were the others?!
Video call.....Christian was there to represent our best interests.
And probably to try to catch Corona just in case as a back up plan.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:32:06 PM
This town is coming like a ghost town
All the clubs are being closed down
This place is coming like a ghost town
Teams won't play no more
Too much spitting on the dance floor
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: rougegorge on March 13, 2020, 12:34:02 PM
All football should stop for this season with current positions frozen. No relegations from any League. Promote top two from championship to Premier League and run a 22 team League next season. 4 teams to be relegated from PL at the end of next season and two promoted from the championship. Return to 20 teams in season 22/23. Repeat this model in all leagues.
And oh yes make Liverpool champions simply because they are so far ahead that no under team can claim unfairness.

This is a good plan, and not just because we would be getting relegated otherwise. It makes the league sizes reasonably manageable and if Premier League teams were bothered about 4 extra games, they could give them permission to miss next season's EFL Cup with no penalty attached, or cancel that competition for one season.

The issue would be with the teams in line for prospective play-off promotions via the various play-offs...and give some of the Prem millions to the lower leagues to tide them over if necessary.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: JJ-AV on March 13, 2020, 12:42:04 PM
One possibility would be postponing the season and isolating players. Then possibly playing the 9-10 remaining games over a 3-4 week priod in the Summer behind closed doors to determine outcomes.

If not then cancelling is the only way IMO. There is no scenario of allowing promotion to anyone that would aggrieve someone. The scenario above for example would not sit well with Fulham, Brentford and Forest. You can't promote/relegate any club until it's mathematically confirmed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:43:04 PM
That's right, the only real losers would be potential play off teams.  But with a global crisis like this there's bound to be some losers and this would seem to limit the damage as much as possible.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 12:47:27 PM
A lot of suggestions on how we continue from here seem dependent upon the new season starting around its usual time. I don't think there's any guarantee of that at the moment.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2020, 12:50:36 PM
I can see a scenario panning out where the bottom 2 in the PL as it stands at a given point drop and the automatic 2 from Championship get promoted, play off spots are cancelled.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 13, 2020, 12:51:45 PM
Personally if the season is abandoned I think Liverpool should get the title, but it would be utterly glorious if they don't.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TaxDodger on March 13, 2020, 12:53:12 PM
I can see a scenario panning out where the bottom 2 in the PL as it stands at a given point drop and the automatic 2 from Championship get promoted, play off spots are cancelled.


In which case getting to the League Cup final and not playing the Sheffield United game will have relegated us..
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 12:58:19 PM
The legal action that would follow on from relegating sides from an incomplete season are massive, especially when a side has a game in hand. I cannot see the FA and EFL leaving themselves open to that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mallo on March 13, 2020, 01:00:13 PM
If it rolls forward to next season with the same teams - we get to Ďgo againí - we should get Paul lambert in to guest for the first game.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 13, 2020, 01:01:20 PM
I can see a scenario panning out where the bottom 2 in the PL as it stands at a given point drop and the automatic 2 from Championship get promoted, play off spots are cancelled.


In which case getting to the League Cup final and not playing the Sheffield United game will have relegated us..

I can't see this happening, especially when teams have played differing amounts of games.  Also, our home record is far superior to our away record, and we have still got 6 home games left to play which is more than the teams around us - doing this would just open up all kinds of legal challenges.

To be honest, I think the league being expanded to 22 or 24 teams next season is almost certainly the best way forward.  I also wouldn't put it past the Premier League to use this as an excuse to play at least one round of matches overseas, saying the additional money would be redistributed to the Football League teams who have suffered due to any cancelled matches.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2020, 01:01:28 PM
I can see a scenario panning out where the bottom 2 in the PL as it stands at a given point drop and the automatic 2 from Championship get promoted, play off spots are cancelled.


In which case getting to the League Cup final and not playing the Sheffield United game will have relegated us..

Which is why I said at a given point, you can't decide until everyone has played the same number of games, you could argue this until the cows come home. Who knows, we are in completely uncharted territory. Maybe the fairest way is to say go back to the point in the season where everyone had played everybody once, that's the point you use to decide.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 01:04:34 PM
All training suspended.

This seasons finished. They just haven't said it yet.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2020, 01:07:46 PM
All training suspended.

This seasons finished. They just haven't said it yet.

Blimey. Didn't see that one coming.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 13, 2020, 01:14:56 PM
Can we put Chris Grayling in control of the delay as he managed to do it with the trains.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 01:19:32 PM
I suppose not a good time to revive the Shankley quote about football being more important than life and death.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2020, 01:20:19 PM
All training suspended.

This seasons finished. They just haven't said it yet.

Where have you seen that?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 13, 2020, 01:20:44 PM

The only way ahead is for the season to be null and voided, with the hope we can start the next one as planned in August (doubtful)

You can't start arsing about promoting or relegating clubs who haven't yet earned it or try and finish this season from the point we halted it at some unknown point in the future. The football leagues are a competition that haven't run their natural course so no prizes or demotions can be handed out otherwise the integrity of the competition will be all over the place.

We're in a special time, rules will have to change to accommodate the fact we're all in an unknown position at this time.

If the FA Cup got postponed at the quarter final stage they can't just hand it to whoever scored the most goals up to that point in it or hand each of the 8 teams left a meaningless symbolic cup just because they'd done well in it up to that point. It would (and will) just be cancelled for this year.

Things have to be either finished or scrubbed as far as i can see.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2020, 01:22:36 PM
I dont think they can extend the season too much as p[layers contracts tend to run out at the end of June dont they?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Pat Mustard on March 13, 2020, 01:27:55 PM

The only way ahead is for the season to be null and voided, with the hope we can start the next one as planned in August (doubtful)

You can't start arsing about promoting or relegating clubs who haven't yet earned it or try and finish this season from the point we halted it at some unknown point in the future. The football leagues are a competition that haven't run their natural course so no prizes or demotions can be handed out otherwise the integrity of the competition will be all over the place.

We're in a special time, rules will have to change to accommodate the fact we're all in an unknown position at this time.

If the FA Cup got postponed at the quarter final stage they can't just hand it to whoever scored the most goals up to that point in it or hand each of the 8 teams left a meaningless symbolic cup just because they'd done well in it up to that point. It would (and will) just be cancelled for this year.

Things have to be either finished or scrubbed as far as i can see.

Will that mean Man City didn't win the League Cup and I can get my ticket money back?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 01:31:49 PM
All training suspended.

This seasons finished. They just haven't said it yet.

Blimey. Didn't see that one coming.

How long before 'Insta' pics of players in Dubai/Las Vegas/Caribbean etc start popping up !!! (not necessarily Villa Players)

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RichardBatchelor on March 13, 2020, 01:34:07 PM
A cancellation of the Euros will be important.Without a cancellation,I can see it being a struggle to complete the fixtures with at least Chelsea,Arsenal.,Everton and probably Leicester and Watford being virus hit.
A cancellation would give leagues a chance to  extend a postponement past April which looks a bit optimistic .
I would give Liverpool the title,promote the top 4 from the Championship,no relegation from the Prem .Next season sees a 46 game PL which restarts in July with the PL clubs having to pay £6--7m to help out the lower leagues.
Everyone happy.

I don't fucking think so, matey!!!!!11!!!

Liverpool deserve it totally, itís ridiculous to say otherwise.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 13, 2020, 01:38:45 PM
Start next season with everyone on the same points as now in all divisions
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 01:39:32 PM
Liverpool absolutely deserve it, which will make it one of the funniest things ever if they don't end up winning it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 13, 2020, 01:41:25 PM
A cancellation of the Euros will be important.Without a cancellation,I can see it being a struggle to complete the fixtures with at least Chelsea,Arsenal.,Everton and probably Leicester and Watford being virus hit.
A cancellation would give leagues a chance to  extend a postponement past April which looks a bit optimistic .
I would give Liverpool the title,promote the top 4 from the Championship,no relegation from the Prem .Next season sees a 46 game PL which restarts in July with the PL clubs having to pay £6--7m to help out the lower leagues.
Everyone happy.

I don't fucking think so, matey!!!!!11!!!

Liverpool deserve it totally, itís ridiculous to say otherwise.

Fuck em. If theyíre that good then they can win it next year
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 13, 2020, 01:41:56 PM
Liverpool absolutely deserve it, which will make it one of the funniest things ever if they don't end up winning it.
It would.  They'd end the season potless.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 13, 2020, 01:43:54 PM
Liverpool absolutely deserve it, which will make it one of the funniest things ever if they don't end up winning it.
It would.  They'd end the season potless.

Could also work out that Leeds AND Albion don't get promoted.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TaxDodger on March 13, 2020, 01:50:16 PM
I think it would totally undermine Man City's title challenge if they were to award the title to Liverpool. There's still 10 games to go - it's clearly still all to play for. Could have gone either way if the season was allowed to continue.

Anyway, Liverpool get to remain Champions of Europe for a bit longer, so they clearly would benefit enormously from everything being scrapped.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RichardBatchelor on March 13, 2020, 01:54:26 PM
Liverpool absolutely deserve it, which will make it one of the funniest things ever if they don't end up winning it.
It would.  They'd end the season potless.

Could also work out that Leeds AND Albion don't get promoted.
Speak for yourself. I like Liverpool. Manyoo can feck off though.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 01:54:45 PM
All training suspended.

This seasons finished. They just haven't said it yet.

Where have you seen that?
Sky News.  Training/Promotional visits etc.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 13, 2020, 01:55:37 PM
I was having a look on RAWK to see what the Liverpool diehards make of it.  One clown says 'Do the decent thing and give us the trophy.  Then abandon the season'  To which another guy replied, 'The likes of Villa and Bournemouth might have something to say about that', to which the first guy replied - and I quote - "shit one on them. Have a play off behind closed doors or something. There's no way they can completely void the league. That would be ridiculously unfair on us."
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 01:57:44 PM
So there could be all sorts of ideas on how to complete the season.
One being all teams receiving a point for all remain matches.
I think Purslow was making sure nothing was going to affect Villa status and that the best decision   possible for Villa chance to stay in premier league and that there was no unfair relegation.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 01:58:36 PM
I think it would totally undermine Man City's title challenge if they were to award the title to Liverpool. There's still 10 games to go - it's clearly still all to play for. Could have gone either way if the season was allowed to continue.

Anyway, Liverpool get to remain Champions of Europe for a bit longer, so they clearly would benefit enormously from everything being scrapped.
Liverpool's form in the last two weeks has been as bad as Villa's (almost).
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 02:00:02 PM
Liverpool absolutely deserve it, which will make it one of the funniest things ever if they don't end up winning it.
It would.  They'd end the season potless.

Could also work out that Leeds AND Albion don't get promoted.
Speak for yourself. I like Liverpool. Manyoo can feck off though.

You must be aged less than about 35 then?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
I think as long as everyone has played the same number of games it'll do, that means we'd need to play the game against Sheff Utd. If we win we stay up and anything else we go down. I'd take the opportunity since i think it's more likely we'd beat Sheff Utd at home in a one off game than us get enough points from the rest of the season to stay up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:00:22 PM

Speak for yourself. I like Liverpool.

Final warning.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 02:00:37 PM
I could imagine Leeds Bielsa walking out of English football if they didn't get promoted  due to leagues being abandoned
And their fans rioting for having to stay in championship
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 13, 2020, 02:01:02 PM
At least common sense seems to be prevailing now with the cancellation of games, the Leagueís message yesterday saying that all games were still on was idiotic beyond belief. This isnít going to go away overnight.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 02:01:33 PM
I was having a look on RAWK to see what the Liverpool diehards make of it.  One clown says 'Do the decent thing and give us the trophy.  Then abandon the season'  To which another guy replied, 'The likes of Villa and Bournemouth might have something to say about that', to which the first guy replied - and I quote - "shit one on them. Have a play off behind closed doors or something. There's no way they can completely void the league. That would be ridiculously unfair on us."

It would, wouldn't it. But deliciously so. It might knock Slippy G off the top of my list of favourite 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' moments.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:02:55 PM
Leeds can add it to all the other trophies they sing about winning even though they didn't win them. Twats.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2020, 02:05:55 PM
There is no way that they would be able to relegate any one with 10 games to go.
Unless there are specific provisions within the contracts, and I very much doubt there are.
They either complete the season on null and void it.
The idea that they can start coming up with alternative methods to determine league standings is not feasible.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 02:08:30 PM
So if football matches and training have been postponed the players have to still be vigilant in not getting the covid 19 virus and also keep their fitness going.
Some players will be more professional and serious than others.
We don't want to see players out and about night clubs, cafes and restaurants or flying out to USA or Dubai coz they can.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:09:41 PM
Liverpool not winning the league would be one of the all time footballing injustices. Please please please let it happen.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2020, 02:12:15 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2020, 02:12:23 PM
Liverpool not winning the league would be one of the all time footballing injustices. Please please please let it happen.
I canít imagine too many Everton fans feeling sorry for them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 02:12:42 PM
Villa also have a game in hand on the teams above them, so it's not as if all teams have played the same number games which might have helped any decision should the season be declared void.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 02:12:52 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:17:01 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.

And what happens to the transfer window, to all the players that will leave in June when their contracts expire and so on?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2020, 02:21:34 PM
As is stands, we're missing 2 PL matches over 2 weeks. That's all. The PL would finish end of May, the CL maybe mid June and with no international tournament i see no reason why they couldn't kick off again when they're supposed to in August. Obviously if it turns out that 2 months or so are missed then you'd have to be starting a new season start of October and prob finish it the following mid June, scrapping the international tournament completely.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TaxDodger on March 13, 2020, 02:22:43 PM
Liverpool not winning the league would be one of the all time footballing injustices. Please please please let it happen.

I'm also looking forward to Rangers and Celtic battling it out for one in a row next season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:22:55 PM
There is no way the league is restarting in a few weeks imo.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2020, 02:24:43 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.

And what happens to the transfer window, to all the players that will leave in June when their contracts expire and so on?

The contracts would have to worked out but i'm sure in the interests of not scrapping a whole season something could be done. Extensions till the season has played out for example. Or if players won't agree then let them go, most teams have enough players to cope with one or two dropping out because they're legally entitled to do so but i'm sure very few would.
Not sure the transfer window is even worth considering, they've changed the rules on that so many times anyway.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 13, 2020, 02:25:03 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.

And what happens to the transfer window, to all the players that will leave in June when their contracts expire and so on?

I think the world has bigger fish to fry than worrying about the potential 'mockery of the top English Football League'  Something has to give so somewhere down the line something will be ditched.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 02:26:03 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.
That's how I see it.
 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 13, 2020, 02:30:00 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th

And the players out of contract at the start of July?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 02:34:31 PM
If it gets to the stage the season can't resume for a number of months it will be cancelled I reckon. I just cannot see them restarting it in say September. Too much of a logisitcal nightmare with the following season, transfers, contracts etc.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 13, 2020, 02:36:28 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.

And what happens to the transfer window, to all the players that will leave in June when their contracts expire and so on?

I think the world has bigger fish to fry than worrying about the potential 'mockery of the top English Football League'  Something has to give so somewhere down the line something will be ditched.

Are we all doomed Bren? Should we consider life as we know it to be over? Oh no, oh god nooooooooo.......... wail etc
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 02:40:40 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th

And the players out of contract at the start of July?

Month extensions for players due to mitigation circumstance ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 13, 2020, 02:43:31 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th

And the players out of contract at the start of July?

Month extensions for players due to mitigation circumstance ?

Unless there is a provision in the contract for extension that can't happen unless mutually agreed. Players might not want to extend their contracts if they are free to do deals elsewhere.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 13, 2020, 02:43:54 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th

And the players out of contract at the start of July?

Month extensions for players due to mitigation circumstance ?

What in these day and age of greedy bastards & their agents?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 13, 2020, 02:45:58 PM
With our 1 game less, we are in a good legal position regarding relegation if things get scrapped.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 02:52:36 PM
Realistically the talk would be of having to finish season by July 20th so there is 3/4 week break before the next season. As there has to be a break before the following season

It's claimed the euro 2020 will be postponed and that is to be  confirmed as not happening when they uefa meeting takes Tuesday march 17th

And the players out of contract at the start of July?

Month extensions for players due to mitigation circumstance ?

Unless there is a provision in the contract for extension that can't happen unless mutually agreed. Players might not want to extend their contracts if they are free to do deals elsewhere.

I guess it shows all the complexities of just extending a deal.
This is a special measures situation isn't it.

I can imagine in future contingency will be in players contract to protect them from situations same for clubs
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 13, 2020, 02:53:19 PM
I was just thinking that ^^

Although can you see the lawyers face, when we say ď we might win our game in hand ď 😂
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 02:55:11 PM
If they scrap the whole season now, there is nobody worse off than they would have been as nothing had yet been decided. If however, they use current positions, plenty of clubs (us included) would argue that we'd been harmed by the decision and could sue.

In the former scenario, there are plenty of clubs who'd possibly feel aggrieved, Liverpool being the main example.

In the latter, there's nobody yet relegated so it's all what-ifs. Similarly, Man City would argue that Liverpool have lost 3 of their last 4 and that their form has obviously fallen off a cliff....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan For Life on March 13, 2020, 03:04:53 PM
Liverpool not winning the league would be one of the all time footballing injustices. Please please please let it happen.

I totally agree. Please let it happen.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2020, 03:08:51 PM
I dont think there is the remotest possibility that this season will be completed.

April-June, we are advised, will be the peak of the virus. With contracts for players expiring at the end of June, the integrity of the league is broken. You also have the issue of this season running into next.

That is it for 19/20. Whether they promote the top two in the Championship as the Bundesliga are proposing, to make a 22 team league, remains to be seen.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 03:12:46 PM
I can imagine villa players being on a generous bonus if they retain premier league status.
What are the implications there as it's agreed before the start of the season and the season isn't finished ?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 13, 2020, 03:14:17 PM
Do we then keep Smith as he will have kept us up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: passport1 on March 13, 2020, 03:16:55 PM
Great opportunity to bin him
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 03:19:59 PM
Great opportunity to bin him

Great opportunity to give him time to work on the issues and get some players back from injury.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 13, 2020, 03:20:26 PM
I dont think there is the remotest possibility that this season will be completed.

April-June, we are advised, will be the peak of the virus. With contracts for players expiring at the end of June, the integrity of the league is broken. You also have the issue of this season running into next.

That is it for 19/20. Whether they promote the top two in the Championship as the Bundesliga are proposing, to make a 22 team league, remains to be seen.


This model will happen imo.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Small Rodent on March 13, 2020, 03:21:24 PM
They can't scrap anything, it makes a mockery of a multi billion pound industry.

They will have to play it out when they can, start the next season when they can and scrap the euros all together for this tournament if need be.

And what happens to the transfer window, to all the players that will leave in June when their contracts expire and so on?

I think the world has bigger fish to fry than worrying about the potential 'mockery of the top English Football League'  Something has to give so somewhere down the line something will be ditched.

Are we all doomed Bren? Should we consider life as we know it to be over? Oh no, oh god nooooooooo.......... wail etc

Are you're more concerned about the mockery of a multi-million pound industry than people's lives? Are you mocking Bren?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2020, 03:27:40 PM
This should be left to the pools panel.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: passport1 on March 13, 2020, 03:30:35 PM
Great opportunity to bin him

Great opportunity to give him time to work on the issues and get some players back from injury.

And we would still be seeing the same shite performances at the end of it.Hes had all the opportunities I want to see.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 03:34:35 PM
Great opportunity to bin him

Great opportunity to give him time to work on the issues and get some players back from injury.

And we would still be seeing the same shite performances at the end of it.Hes had all the opportunities I want to see.

Or not. Let's see what happens. I think he'll be around a good while yet (if for no other reason than we won't be playing!)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
Frustrating to think that had we demonstrated a capacity to draw 3 games that we lost from these: Bournemouth x2, Arsenal away, Liverpool at home, Spurs at home it would be all academic to us what happens to the three clubs in the bottom three right now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 13, 2020, 03:50:29 PM
This should be left to the pools panel.

Just don't leave it to the VAR panel.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 13, 2020, 03:51:30 PM
Frustrating to think that had we demonstrated a capacity to draw 3 games that we lost from these: Bournemouth x2, Arsenal away, Liverpool at home, Spurs at home it would be all academic to us what happens to the three clubs in the bottom three right now.
Not forgetting the refereeing debacle at Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 13, 2020, 03:59:02 PM
This should be left to the pools panel.

Three days before Christmas in 1963, a freezing fog enveloped Britain. Eighteen football matches were called off, with a further eight abandoned mid-game. The fixture card looked utterly decimated at the time, but although nobody knew it, there wouldn't be this much football again for more than two months. By Boxing Day, the entire country had been covered in snow. Only 17 games were played on 29 December. Come New Year's Day, not a single match was played. Five third-round FA Cup ties went ahead on 5 January, but with the country in the middle of a Big Freeze, battling -20įC temperatures and 15-foot snowdrifts, the round didn't get completed until 11 March.

The lack of matches wreaked havoc with the football pools, so Vernons, Zetters and Littlewoods acted quickly. A predictions system was put in place, and on 26 January the Pools Panel sat for the first time. The panel consisted of six men: former England players Tom Finney, Tommy Lawton and Ted Drake, former Scotland full-back George Young, former World Cup referee Arthur Ellis, and John Theodore Cuthbert Moore-Brabazon, 1st Baron Brabazon of Tara. Brabazon was a former Tory MP and aviation pioneer who, in 1909, strapped a wastepaper basket containing a piglet to the wing of a plane to prove that pigs could fly. Their deliberations were made behind closed doors at the Connaught Rooms in London, then announced live on BBC television. Of the 38 matches, the only predictions to raise eyebrows were Leeds to beat Stoke and Peterborough to win at Derby.

The weather slowly broke. There were 11 games on 16 February, then 24 on 23 February Ė the most since the fog came down on 22 December, and the first day the new Pools Panel wasn't required. On 16 March the first full league card since mid-December was played.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 13, 2020, 04:06:24 PM
With our 1 game less, we are in a good legal position regarding relegation if things get scrapped.

Our saving grace. Looking at the table, there's no way the PL could relegate us.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 04:13:49 PM
No matter how unutterably shit one may have thought we are or would continue to be, there's no way anybody could be deemed relegated with a full quarter of their season left to play. And certainly not when a win of a game in their hand would put them out of the relegation places.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 13, 2020, 04:20:18 PM
National League games going ahead, but Solihull's game tonight has been postponed.

Coronavirus: National League fixtures this weekend to go ahead as planned (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51877974)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2020, 04:33:00 PM
These avaricious fuckers have been shamed by others into taking action today trailing behind every other major football league. Money is the only reason - if the PL is cancelled billions will have to be paid back to broadcasters sponsors etc. Who knows hopefully, long term, this might result in a sea change in the obscene amount of money sloshing around the PL to the detriment of the integrity of the game and the destabilization of every club outside looking in.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2020, 04:34:21 PM
This should be left to the pools panel.

Three days before Christmas in 1963, a freezing fog enveloped Britain. Eighteen football matches were called off, with a further eight abandoned mid-game. The fixture card looked utterly decimated at the time, but although nobody knew it, there wouldn't be this much football again for more than two months. By Boxing Day, the entire country had been covered in snow. Only 17 games were played on 29 December. Come New Year's Day, not a single match was played. Five third-round FA Cup ties went ahead on 5 January, but with the country in the middle of a Big Freeze, battling -20įC temperatures and 15-foot snowdrifts, the round didn't get completed until 11 March.

The lack of matches wreaked havoc with the football pools, so Vernons, Zetters and Littlewoods acted quickly. A predictions system was put in place, and on 26 January the Pools Panel sat for the first time. The panel consisted of six men: former England players Tom Finney, Tommy Lawton and Ted Drake, former Scotland full-back George Young, former World Cup referee Arthur Ellis, and John Theodore Cuthbert Moore-Brabazon, 1st Baron Brabazon of Tara. Brabazon was a former Tory MP and aviation pioneer who, in 1909, strapped a wastepaper basket containing a piglet to the wing of a plane to prove that pigs could fly. Their deliberations were made behind closed doors at the Connaught Rooms in London, then announced live on BBC television. Of the 38 matches, the only predictions to raise eyebrows were Leeds to beat Stoke and Peterborough to win at Derby.

The weather slowly broke. There were 11 games on 16 February, then 24 on 23 February Ė the most since the fog came down on 22 December, and the first day the new Pools Panel wasn't required. On 16 March the first full league card since mid-December was played.




Great post although with a name like John Theodore Cuthbert Moore-Brabazon, 1st Baron Brabazon of Tara, it was superfluous information that he was a Tory MP.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 13, 2020, 04:39:40 PM
the fact that he was an MP of any political persuasion would be irrelevant. But the whole post was - we are dealing with a medical emergency, not snow and ice.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TonyD on March 13, 2020, 04:50:49 PM
The season will be annulled and we stay up. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lovejoy on March 13, 2020, 05:04:40 PM
the fact that he was an MP of any political persuasion would be irrelevant. But the whole post was - we are dealing with a medical emergency, not snow and ice.

Some idle amusing distraction is of some benefit in the current envvironment.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 13, 2020, 05:05:08 PM
Did Purslow not get the memo that the PL meeting was via conference call?
Seems strange he was the only one who attended in person.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 13, 2020, 05:11:44 PM
Did Purslow not get the memo that the PL meeting was via conference call?
Seems strange he was the only one who attended in person.

Maybe he's got it and wanted to make sure they all got it too.... So they'd have to cancel everything  ;D
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on March 13, 2020, 05:15:54 PM
the fact that he was an MP of any political persuasion would be irrelevant. But the whole post was - we are dealing with a medical emergency, not snow and ice.

Some idle amusing distraction is of some benefit in the current envvironment.
   should that read "enviralment" ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SaddVillan on March 13, 2020, 05:36:01 PM
BBC article - clarification:

Elite football in Britain has been suspended until at least 3 April as a result of the spread of coronavirus.

All Blues games will proceed as scheduled.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: charlatan on March 13, 2020, 05:37:23 PM
If the FA Cup got postponed at the quarter final stage they can't just hand it to whoever scored the most goals up to that point in it or hand each of the 8 teams left a meaningless symbolic cup just because they'd done well in it up to that point. It would (and will) just be cancelled for this year.

I have a book on Betfair worth £235 regardless of the winner  ::)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: kieron on March 13, 2020, 05:38:13 PM
BBC article - clarification:

Elite football in Britain has been suspended until at least 3 April as a result of the spread of coronavirus.

All Blues games will proceed as scheduled.

I'm worried about the fact that we're bracketed in as 'elite' tbh.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RichardBatchelor on March 13, 2020, 05:51:58 PM
I guess this will be the only relevant thread for a fair while to come ...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 13, 2020, 05:57:12 PM
I guess this will be the only relevant thread for a fair while to come ...

Yep just this, the transfer links and donít go Jack threads
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: rougegorge on March 13, 2020, 06:03:09 PM
National League games going ahead, but Solihull's game tonight has been postponed.

Coronavirus: National League fixtures this weekend to go ahead as planned (https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51877974)
This is very odd as some National League teams get the same kind of attendances as League 2 sides.

So Steps 1 and 2 of the non-league pyramid proceed but then at Step 3, the Northern Premier League follows suit by playing on, whilst the Southern League and the Isthmian League postpone their matches.

So nothing is fully joined up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 13, 2020, 06:16:42 PM
I thought this was lyrically inventive if not morally, historically or logically sound

From Facebook


Tony Xiaís a legend
Heís Villa thru and thru
So heís saved us yet again with a nasty of dose of flu

He saw that we were struggling and he werenít having that!
So he went down to the takeaway and ate an un cooked bat!

Tony xia he ate a bat
Ate a bat
Tony xia he ate a bat
Ate a bat
Ate it up, weíre staying up, weíll win the fucking cup!
Tony xia he ate a bat
Ate a bat.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 08:23:49 PM
Looks like that it for this season, my guess is the European Championships will be postponed until next summer, we will get a ruling in about 10 days (about a week before suggested April commencement date) that the football season is over and will be played again starting in August, only then if possible, that covers the FA's ass in terms of legality as anybody in contention for promotion or relegation at the moment could in theory survive or be successful at this point, Liverpool being the exception, no way will it commence in April, the virus and infection rate and deaths will still be heading up at that stage, they won't be able to delay again come April because of Preseason, player contracts, loans, plus the fact the FA leaves itself open to being prosecuted by a club that then gets relegated that could claim prior to the break they had hit good form and would have stayed up, Kudos to the FA, they went and did what these dithering idiots that run us, wasn't capable of doing yesterday. 

In my opinion its done and dusted. Lets hope we can get the team and management sorted for the new season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 13, 2020, 08:25:38 PM
Our best chance of survival is canceling the season.
An ill wind ......,,,
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 08:31:55 PM
Our best chance of survival is canceling the season.
An ill wind ......,,,

Its a sad ill wind, personally I don't think we have even come close to grasping how serious this is. In terms of football, its just football, a game, doesn't compare to the damage this will cause, its for that reason also that starting the season again in April will be impossible, example, lets say by then the rate of increase is starting to bottom out or decline slightly, we allow mass gatherings again and the figures start to climb again....The government would get slaughtered, they will never risk this in a million years and certainly not for a game of football. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: colin69 on March 13, 2020, 08:40:42 PM
It wonít start again in April, absolutely no chance. But somehow the season must be finished at some point.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 13, 2020, 08:43:14 PM
No chance it will be. Greg Clarke is expressing this view already. You can't go beyond June and the league integrity has arguably already been compromised.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2020, 08:43:46 PM
Part of the "herd immunity" theory Johnson's advisors seem to be attempting requires mass gatherings to level out the cases into big bulges rather than sharp spikes so the return of football with spectators in attendance may not be too long coming back.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 08:44:03 PM
It wonít start again in April, absolutely no chance. But somehow the season must be finished at some point.

Apparently, not necessarily, extenuating circumstances allows for the FA to stop or cancel a season early providing there are a significant enough/amount of games left to bring into question who would go down, finish top etc, that has to be this season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 13, 2020, 08:44:41 PM
Has anything like this happened previously, is there any kind of precedent set for cancelling fixtures?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Exeter 77 on March 13, 2020, 08:46:38 PM
Has anything like this happened previously, is there any kind of precedent set for cancelling fixtures?
Only for the Second World War but the 1939/40 season was only 3 games in when it was stopped.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: colin69 on March 13, 2020, 08:49:11 PM
It wonít start again in April, absolutely no chance. But somehow the season must be finished at some point.

Apparently, not necessarily, extenuating circumstances allows for the FA to stop or cancel a season early providing there are a significant enough/amount of games left to bring into question who would go down, finish top etc, that has to be this season.

Fair enough, I wasnít aware of that.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 13, 2020, 08:51:59 PM
Has anything like this happened previously, is there any kind of precedent set for cancelling fixtures?
Only for the Second World War but the 1939/40 season was only 3 games in when it was stopped.

Thanks, itís hard to predict what they will do then! Void the season? Whatever happens someone will be annoyed I think.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: eamonn on March 13, 2020, 08:55:48 PM
That game in hand might be our saving grace.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 13, 2020, 08:57:47 PM
There's no fair way to do this ,the only way is to pretend this season hasn't happened and we go again in august as a fresh with last seasons teams getting CL places etc

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: colin69 on March 13, 2020, 08:58:09 PM
That game in hand might be our saving grace.
Ours and Deans.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 09:00:41 PM
Has anything like this happened previously, is there any kind of precedent set for cancelling fixtures?
Only for the Second World War but the 1939/40 season was only 3 games in when it was stopped.

Thanks, itís hard to predict what they will do then! Void the season? Whatever happens someone will be annoyed I think.

Liverpool will be annoyed but won't dare to say so, as for the rest of the Premiership about 4 or 5 at the top will feel thwarted, most rest won't give a damn and probably about 5 or 6 at the bottom will breath one huge sigh of relief.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: steamer on March 13, 2020, 09:05:55 PM
Or they could say, the seasons over, current positions are the final ones.
Liverpool win the League and we go down
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 09:06:38 PM
Part of the "herd immunity" theory Johnson's advisors seem to be attempting requires mass gatherings to level out the cases into big bulges rather than sharp spikes so the return of football with spectators in attendance may not be too long coming back.

Lets face it, that is huge theory and only theory, nobody at this stage know how this virus is going to react in any environment, example, the Chinese now know and confirmed in the last few days this virus can mutate, unlike say, measles, so on that basis the more hosts this virus has the more chance these little beggars can change, toughen up and go again, reinfect, that blows the herd theory right out the window
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 13, 2020, 09:09:59 PM
A fair approach to games in hand would probably be to pro rata points which would still see us relegated.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 13, 2020, 09:10:48 PM
Or they could say, the seasons over, current positions are the final ones.
Liverpool win the League and we go down

They could but could you imagine the legal claims, Aston Villa could legitimately claim by way of litigation we are just going through the process of sacking our manager, as such we are going to install a manager whom we have total confidence in would  keep us in the Premiership, therefore you have denied us that potential and caused massive financial loss. Huge.

Much fairer and much more common sense to call time on the season and go again.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 13, 2020, 09:16:12 PM
I agree absolutely BoVillan esq.  I do not believe the herd immunity theory.  As I said in a post early this morning Kreufeld-Jacobs disease had its origins in Scrapie, a brain disease of sheep.  It mutated into a human disease but the human race in that case got lucky and the mutant strain was far less virulent than subsequent animal originated diseases.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 13, 2020, 09:16:33 PM
Surely that just opens up exactly the same issues with teams at the top of the championship?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 13, 2020, 09:16:39 PM
Or they could say, the seasons over, current positions are the final ones.
Liverpool win the League and we go down
As has been stated previously there's not a chance of this. Any club being relegated would quite rightly argue that with 11 games to go anything could have happened. Clubs lawyers would have a field day and could bankrupt the PL & FA. As for Liverpool being denied the title? Oh well.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: DB on March 13, 2020, 09:21:54 PM
Or they could say, the seasons over, current positions are the final ones.
Liverpool win the League and we go down
As has been stated previously there's not a chance of this. Any club being relegated would quite rightly argue that with 11 games to go anything could have happened. Clubs lawyers would have a field day and could bankrupt the PL & FA. As for Liverpool being denied the title? Oh well.

And as for us, we have a game in hand.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 09:23:19 PM
A fair approach to games in hand would probably be to pro rata points which would still see us relegated.

How is that fair?

You might just leave the table as it stands because nothing would change.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john e on March 13, 2020, 09:33:30 PM
whatever they do it wonít be fair on someone
could be us that loses out just as easy as anyone else
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 13, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
Keep the Premier teams as they are, and give the parachute payments to the Championship clubs.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 09:41:24 PM
Surely that just opens up exactly the same issues with teams at the top of the championship?

Here's my solution:

PL members vote on whether LFC should be awarded trophy (overwhelming yes vote)
No teams relegated from PL
2 teams promoted from Championship
Other promotions and relegations in the EFL 2 up, 2 down
No play offs as there will not be enough time
Placings 3rd to 6th in Championship to receive the parachute payments that would have gone to this years 3 teams who would have been relegated
Next season, both the PL & Championship would have 22 teams
Teams in European competition given a bye in FA Cup round 3
Next season, 5 teams would be relegated from PL
This would mean that both divisions would revert to 20 & 24 teams respectively.

The only losers would be the play off candidates but realistically, they would have to be scrapped because of the time factor.  Championship teams would be compensated by way of parachute payments.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john2710 on March 13, 2020, 09:45:14 PM
The PL will fight tooth & nail to get the season finished. Even if it means playing 10 games in 30 days during June. There's so much money / sponsorship that will be lost, they won't give up easily.

If the virus peak is at the end of May / early June, as the Govt expects, I can't see how they can expect players to start playing again in the middle of that. By April we'll be at the start of a 8-10 week lockdown & things won't start to get back to normal until July. The virus might return again in the Autumn & cause further disruption next season.

The only logical solution is to declare this season void & start next season early. They won't want next season disrupted too.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Newby on March 13, 2020, 09:48:38 PM
With 6 of our last 10 games at home and our home record far better than our away record, I think we'd have a good argument that we could have turned it around and won three or four games.  Perhaps not with Dean Smith in charge, but that's another issue.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Newby on March 13, 2020, 09:53:14 PM
The PL will fight tooth & nail to get the season finished. Even if it means playing 10 games in 30 days during June. There's so much money / sponsorship that will be lost, they won't give up easily.

If the virus peak is at the end of May / early June, as the Govt expects, I can't see how they can expect players to start playing again in the middle of that. By April we'll be at the start of a 8-10 week lockdown & things won't start to get back to normal until July. The virus might return again in the Autumn & cause further disruption next season.

The only logical solution is to declare this season void & start next season early. They won't want next season disrupted too.

I think we have to finish this season, no matter how long it takes to do that.  If it eats into next season, cancel that one and honour all of the present contracts with the cups or league sponsors currently in place.  One interesting point, if current player contracts finish on July 1st and we have to play beyond that pint, which is likely, are those contracts void? 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 13, 2020, 09:56:35 PM
Or they could say, the seasons over, current positions are the final ones.
Liverpool win the League and we go down

But we've got a game in hand.....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Arsey on March 13, 2020, 09:57:09 PM
there is no chance the season will be completed. we are expecting the peak of the virus to hit in 6-8 weeks.  there is no way all teams will be virus free in 4 weeks to even consider playing the rest of the season behind closed doors.

even if the season could restart in 4 weeks, which will never happen, playing 10 rounds of games before contracts end, window opens etc. there just isnít enough time.  Players will
also have had the best part of 4 weeks off with limited training, to expect them to just pick up where they left of is a nonsense.

some tough decisions ahead as to what they will do but itís fairly safe to assume no one will be relegated.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 13, 2020, 10:00:21 PM
We invented this fucking league. Our rules.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 13, 2020, 10:10:00 PM
Surely that just opens up exactly the same issues with teams at the top of the championship?

Here's my solution:

PL members vote on whether LFC should be awarded trophy (overwhelming yes vote)
No teams relegated from PL
2 teams promoted from Championship
Other promotions and relegations in the EFL 2 up, 2 down
No play offs as there will not be enough time
Placings 3rd to 6th in Championship to receive the parachute payments that would have gone to this years 3 teams who would have been relegated
Next season, both the PL & Championship would have 22 teams
Teams in European competition given a bye in FA Cup round 3
Next season, 5 teams would be relegated from PL
This would mean that both divisions would revert to 20 & 24 teams respectively.

The only losers would be the play off candidates but realistically, they would have to be scrapped because of the time factor.  Championship teams would be compensated by way of parachute payments.

All going well until the first proposal.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: steamer on March 13, 2020, 10:14:04 PM
Tough decisions
Nobody is going to be happy, so many complications, contracts , sponsorship's etc.
Players contracts , service providers, paying staff with no income, TV presenters with nothing to present the list is endless
replicate this in every sphere of life.
I hope there are good force Majeure contracts in place along with a good dollop of common sense.
Glad I just retired and do not have to be part of all the doomsday scenario planning that I am sure is going on in all corporate, which in turn will lead to more panic and  negative responses.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: colin69 on March 13, 2020, 10:18:55 PM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 13, 2020, 10:27:43 PM
A fair approach to games in hand would probably be to pro rata points which would still see us relegated.

How is that fair?

You might just leave the table as it stands because nothing would change.

It would be the only sensible way to deal with the game in hand. Letís face it weíre going to lose to Chelsea whenever we play them so that would be a generous approach from our perspective.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 13, 2020, 10:30:40 PM
Surely that just opens up exactly the same issues with teams at the top of the championship?

Here's my solution:

PL members vote on whether LFC should be awarded trophy (overwhelming yes vote)
No teams relegated from PL
2 teams promoted from Championship
Other promotions and relegations in the EFL 2 up, 2 down
No play offs as there will not be enough time
Placings 3rd to 6th in Championship to receive the parachute payments that would have gone to this years 3 teams who would have been relegated
Next season, both the PL & Championship would have 22 teams
Teams in European competition given a bye in FA Cup round 3
Next season, 5 teams would be relegated from PL
This would mean that both divisions would revert to 20 & 24 teams respectively.

The only losers would be the play off candidates but realistically, they would have to be scrapped because of the time factor.  Championship teams would be compensated by way of parachute payments.

Best solution Iíve heard yet.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 10:42:48 PM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: LeeB on March 13, 2020, 10:56:56 PM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

I'd give it a fucking good go.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 10:58:14 PM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

I'd give it a fucking good go.

I don't care what happens so long as we stay up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 10:59:04 PM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.

Yes I agree.

So to tweak it, I would just allow 2 up from each EFL division.

Relegation numbers changed accordingly the following season in order to bring each division back to the numbers it had this season

EFL rules prescribe that all disputes are dealt with pursuant to S5 of the Arbitration Act 1996:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

So in my scenario, the only issue would be if the play off contenders in the Championship decided that they wanted to challenge a/the decision to do away with the play offs for this season only.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 13, 2020, 11:00:11 PM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

It's clearly a broad church, this football supporting malarkey.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 13, 2020, 11:01:03 PM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

I'd give it a fucking good go.

I don't care what happens so long as we stay up.

Me neither - Besides, I dislike Man City & Leicester more so I'd actually prefer Liverpool to win it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john2710 on March 13, 2020, 11:36:39 PM
After trying to watch thw Wolves game the other night. Another consideration is that nobody wants to watch football on TV with an empty stadium. It damages the brand.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 13, 2020, 11:38:26 PM
You cannot relegate teams without the season being finished, I can see the legal fraternity rubbing their hands together with the law suits that would follow. Take Villa, we have a game in hand against Chelsea, you could say that we have little chance but who would have predicted Norwich putting three past Liverpool. The league cannot disadvantage any club, I would just promote the top two out of the Championship and move on.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 13, 2020, 11:42:27 PM
Sheff Utd is our game in hand? Isn't it?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 13, 2020, 11:47:44 PM
What I think is an issue is that we all agree you can't relegate teams with so much of the season left, so in the same way I don't see how you can promote teams with so much of the season left as it's the same principle. Which is why i'll be damned if I can think of any system that is actually fair, and isn't a legal minefield.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 14, 2020, 12:09:24 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8111151/Liverpool-set-given-Premier-League-title-season-ended-coronavirus.html

Liverpool given title
Leeds and WBA promoted  5 relegation spots next season and EFL cup not played

In our given situation not a bad set of suggestions
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: LeeB on March 14, 2020, 12:18:07 AM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

I'd give it a fucking good go.

I don't care what happens so long as we stay up.

Me neither - Besides, I dislike Man City & Leicester more so I'd actually prefer Liverpool to win it.

Mods, have a word please. There may be children reading.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 12:41:59 AM
What I think is an issue is that we all agree you can't relegate teams with so much of the season left, so in the same way I don't see how you can promote teams with so much of the season left as it's the same principle. Which is why i'll be damned if I can think of any system that is actually fair, and isn't a legal minefield.

Of course there is no solution that is going to be fair.

The most obvious and sensible thing to do is void the season - People are dying.

However, you could relegate teams in the EFL but not the PL - The 2 are completely separate bodies.  Just because the PL don't relegate anyone doesn't mean an EFL team can use this as an argument if they are relegated.

You could also not relegate anyone from any division.  The second option obviously reduces the potential of disputes from relegated clubs.

Keeping the most happy would be to promote the top 2 sides from each division.

Just because nobody is relegated doesn't mean that nobody can be promoted.

I envisage any disputes to go in favour of the EFL/PL given that a worldwide crisis is taking place.  The two leagues are competition organisers and should have the right to make the final decision in any competition.

Whatever decision is arrived at, somebody is going to be upset - Even if it's only those who are currently occupying the play off spots.  The 2 bodies need support from it's members and hopefully, the majority will oblige.

What about the FA Cup?  Have the remaining 8 teams also got a dispute that needs resolving because that will be the first competition to go.  Somebody has to make the decision and that somebody has to be the competition organiser.  I suspect they will do so with the benefit of consultations with lawyers. 

Personally, I'm only concerned about Villa.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 14, 2020, 12:47:39 AM
To be honest I think this will go on for so long and will change the way we live that much Football will be the least of our worries .

I'd be amazed if even next season will be able to start
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 14, 2020, 12:50:20 AM
To be honest I think this will go on for so long and will change the way we live that much Football will be the least of our worries .

I'd be amazed if even next season will be able to start

Distinct possibility I fear.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2020, 01:29:38 AM
I'm thoroughly depressed that football has been cancelled and stopped the Villa thoroughly depressing me each week
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 14, 2020, 01:44:50 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/sportsnews/article-8111151/Liverpool-set-given-Premier-League-title-season-ended-coronavirus.html

Liverpool given title
Leeds and WBA promoted  5 relegation spots next season and EFL cup not played

In our given situation not a bad set of suggestions

They are going to have to make the call soon I would have thought.  Guess you could promote the top two in the Championship and have two leagues of 22 next season, with the teams in the automatic promotion places in the EFL leagues replacing the bottom 2 in the Championship and bottom three in League One.  Bit more straightforward in a League Two, as the top side in the National League would just replace Bury. 

The other option would be to completely void the season.  Would be worth it just to see the the amount of boiled piss and high pitched whining in Liverpool and Sandwell. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2020, 02:01:44 AM
I have been reading through the PL handbook and there appears to be no provision for what is happening.
There is a ton of stuff about the ability to set up committees to make decisions but I can not see how that would resolve the problem.
So itís still down to complete the season or void it, there is no way that they can do anything else.
I am also wondering if this could be the opportunity for some sort of fragmentation or breakaway league to occur.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 02:30:39 AM
To be honest I think this will go on for so long and will change the way we live that much Football will be the least of our worries .

I'd be amazed if even next season will be able to start

I think you've been watching a bit too much Walking Dead.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 14, 2020, 03:27:30 AM
We invented this fucking league. Our rules.
What do you think the big man from Perthshire would have done in this situation?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 03:49:26 AM
With the escalation of this virus, I can't see all clubs being free of it until well into the Autumn or early winter. Mass gatherings will be banned for most of the year.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 14, 2020, 06:22:02 AM
Start next season with everyone on the same points as now in all divisions
No thatís weird.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 14, 2020, 06:43:17 AM
I have been reading through the PL handbook and there appears to be no provision for what is happening.
There is a ton of stuff about the ability to set up committees to make decisions but I can not see how that would resolve the problem.
So itís still down to complete the season or void it, there is no way that they can do anything else.
I am also wondering if this could be the opportunity for some sort of fragmentation or breakaway league to occur.

This virus is already changing the way we live, and there is some truly terrifying behaviour going on.....reading the premier league rules!! 😜
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 14, 2020, 06:51:21 AM
With the escalation of this virus, I can't see all clubs being free of it until well into the Autumn or early winter. Mass gatherings will be banned for most of the year.
I'm of the same mind. There's no chance we're starting the season in August. The clubs will want a month at least before the season starts since none of the players will have trained as a squad in months. I think an October start is bloody optimistic as it stands.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2020, 07:14:56 AM
If it goes on too long the solution is simple and we wonít like it.

Play the remainder of this season out and defer next season 12 months.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 14, 2020, 07:39:10 AM
Abandon the whole season and nobody is any worse off. Some may be disappointed but it would easily stand up to scrutiny in the courts.

Trying to decide winners, losers, promotion and relegation is fraught with difficulty because it's never a specific science and any lawyer worth their salt will be able to prove it.

I think Liverpool are the only team in the 92 that could argue a case, and they could be awarded something for their achievement, say a new flag or something.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 14, 2020, 08:05:14 AM
If we are relegated then we get what we deserve for being so shit for most of the season - Liverpool deserve to be crowned champions

To be honest I could not careless. I am hoping that in 4 months that I still have a job, there will be lots of business going bust, and that everyone I know is still healthy.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SamTheMouse on March 14, 2020, 08:14:44 AM
I think their only option is to cancel the whole season. No promotion or relegation.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 14, 2020, 08:23:51 AM
I think one thing the PL clubs will insist on when they meet again is a firm agreed date for the fixtures to have been fulfilled by. Too many contracts, transfers, training schedules etc for clubs to simply carry on in perpetuity. Thatís just not realistic.

What that date is will be up for debate but if I had to guess itíd be 30th June.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 14, 2020, 08:37:02 AM
Here's a link to a BBC Q&Aon the topic - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51876162

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Baldy on March 14, 2020, 08:38:41 AM
If this season has to be abandoned I would recommend no teams in any league get relegated or promoted. That would avoid mass litigation and make the following option available.

If the 2020/2021 season starts in August 2020, the corresponding fixtures that could not be played this season would effectively be six pointers. Effectively having two league tables running parallel at the same time. As an example, If Villa beat Chelsea at Villa Park next season, we get three points for this season and three points for next season.

To simplify matters, all remaining fixtures not played this season could be the first ones scheduled for next season. We will then have a better picture of what the 2019/2020 season would have ended like. Liverpool (probably) can then be awarded the title and the clubs in the relegation positions can take a sigh of relief.

Monetary wise, all promotion and relegation payments should be abandoned for this season and this money spread evenly between all the clubs in each league plus the payment for each clubs league position as per the 13th March 2020. Next season the payments can revert back to normal.

Two parallel tables would double the entertainment for next season, make up for lost entertainment this season, give us a clearer picture of what this season would have ended up like and avoid court room battles for evermore!!!

Unusual times warrant unusual measures and avoids writing off this season altogether.

Just a thought.

 ::)

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2020, 08:42:48 AM
If it goes on too long the solution is simple and we wonít like it.

Play the remainder of this season out and defer next season 12 months.

I doubt it. That wonít work for broadcasters, player contracts etc.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 08:43:22 AM
If we are relegated then we get what we deserve for being so shit for most of the season - Liverpool deserve to be crowned champions

To be honest I could not careless. I am hoping that in 4 months that I still have a job, there will be lots of business going bust, and that everyone I know is still healthy.

I really cannot accept that conclusion. How do you get what you deserve before you've achieved or failed?

Did we not deserve to be promoted last season because if a snap shot was taken in March 2019, we wouldn't be in the top 6?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 08:44:55 AM
Why is everyone talking about the prospect of lots of really expensive litigation as if itís a bad thing?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 08:45:55 AM
Why is everyone talking about the prospect of lots of really expensive litigation as if itís a bad thing?

This man gets it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 14, 2020, 08:47:39 AM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

Happy to oblige.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 08:50:32 AM
Iím no fan of a Liverpool but nobody can say hand on heart they donít deserve to win the league surely?

Happy to oblige.

Hand on heart here.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 08:52:28 AM
I wouldnít even concede that Liverpool deserve to exist.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 14, 2020, 08:53:37 AM
We invented this fucking league. Our rules.
I wish there was a like button for this comment.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 14, 2020, 08:59:27 AM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.

Yes I agree.

So to tweak it, I would just allow 2 up from each EFL division.

Relegation numbers changed accordingly the following season in order to bring each division back to the numbers it had this season

EFL rules prescribe that all disputes are dealt with pursuant to S5 of the Arbitration Act 1996:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

So in my scenario, the only issue would be if the play off contenders in the Championship decided that they wanted to challenge a/the decision to do away with the play offs for this season only.
Works for me. And to compensate those in the play off positions maybe they could all start the season with +6 points?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 09:40:23 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 14, 2020, 09:46:32 AM
Various sources do suggest the season will be cancelled and weíre staying up. Theyíll have to figure out what to do next season, as there isnít time to do anything else. Canít believe theyíve never had any kind of action plan in case of an emergency like this.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 14, 2020, 09:52:39 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.
Yeah, I think it'll be a binary thing - complete the season or void it.

One possibility might be to play the remaining fixtures in Autumn, then run the next couple of seasons from February to October to fit in with the World Cup in Qatar.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 09:54:18 AM
Someone mentioned it earlier, but itís not just the league but the cups as well. Think of Man City who would write off the league in a heartbeat to concentrate on Europe while they can. Think of Newcastle who arenít going down, arenít fighting for Europe but are going hell for leather in the FA Cup. Were talking potentially 16 ish games to fit in. If they donít cancel this season, theyíll have to cancel next.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 14, 2020, 09:59:13 AM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.

Yes I agree.

So to tweak it, I would just allow 2 up from each EFL division.

Relegation numbers changed accordingly the following season in order to bring each division back to the numbers it had this season

EFL rules prescribe that all disputes are dealt with pursuant to S5 of the Arbitration Act 1996:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

So in my scenario, the only issue would be if the play off contenders in the Championship decided that they wanted to challenge a/the decision to do away with the play offs for this season only.
Works for me. And to compensate those in the play off positions maybe they could all start the season with +6 points?

Or, as Brassneck said, the teams in the championship play off places could be given the parachute payments that wouldíve otherwise been paid to the teams relegated from the PL. Seemed like a good idea to me.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: FrankyH on March 14, 2020, 10:00:59 AM
We're all going to Hell in a handcart full of dried pasta and toilet roll, but Aston Villa look like maintaining their Premier League status !
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 14, 2020, 10:04:31 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.
Yeah, I think it'll be a binary thing - complete the season or void it.

One possibility might be to play the remaining fixtures in Autumn, then run the next couple of seasons from February to October to fit in with the World Cup in Qatar.

Ok in theory but what then happens in the 8 month period following the end of the World Cup and the start of the following season in August 2023?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 10:04:46 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.

In disaster movie terms, it seems many are going with a The Day After Tomorrow scenario, in that it's all quite a bit shit for relatively not that long, then it stops, we let out a collective "phew, thank **** that's over", and then get to plough on as if the thing hadn't happened. I think we need to start planning for more of a game-changing 28 Days Later, in that we could be looking at a very different world and way of life almost immediately, while hoping it'll be more like an everything's samey but everything's different Shaun Of The Dead.

Ultimately I believe it'll be voided, it's only a question of when that decision is made and who they can find brave enough to push out in front of the watching world to announce it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 14, 2020, 10:17:41 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.
Yeah, I think it'll be a binary thing - complete the season or void it.

One possibility might be to play the remaining fixtures in Autumn, then run the next couple of seasons from February to October to fit in with the World Cup in Qatar.

Ok in theory but what then happens in the 8 month period following the end of the World Cup and the start of the following season in August 2023?
If it works out, we could just stick with February-October seasons and play the World Cup or Euros over Christmas.

If it doesn't, there's a good 3 years to work out an alternative. For example, you could slowly transition back to an August-May season, or play a one-off competition.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 14, 2020, 10:40:53 AM
We should all find out Thursday, what the plan is if no further games can be played.

I think we may be disappointed at the out come.

Let’s not forget whatever decision is made will affect the outcome of every professional football league in Britain.

If we were in the champions league spots, there is no way we would want
the league to be classed as null and void, there are a lot of powerful clubs that will have more of a say in the outcome of this season than us!

This maybe the opportunity for them to put there European league in place
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2020, 10:45:29 AM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.

Yes I agree.

So to tweak it, I would just allow 2 up from each EFL division.

Relegation numbers changed accordingly the following season in order to bring each division back to the numbers it had this season

EFL rules prescribe that all disputes are dealt with pursuant to S5 of the Arbitration Act 1996:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

So in my scenario, the only issue would be if the play off contenders in the Championship decided that they wanted to challenge a/the decision to do away with the play offs for this season only.
Works for me. And to compensate those in the play off positions maybe they could all start the season with +6 points?

Or, as Brassneck said, the teams in the championship play off places could be given the parachute payments that wouldíve otherwise been paid to the teams relegated from the PL. Seemed like a good idea to me.

I doubt very much theyíd be happy with that. Theyíll have missed out on the chance to cement a place in the pl or at worst a year of Sky money and the staggered parachute payments post relegation. No comparison.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: exigo on March 14, 2020, 10:45:33 AM
If the fixtures can't be completed, the various leagues will take the simplest path - voiding the season.

Anything else is too complicated.

In disaster movie terms, it seems many are going with a The Day After Tomorrow scenario, in that it's all quite a bit shit for relatively not that long, then it stops, we let out a collective "phew, thank **** that's over", and then get to plough on as if the thing hadn't happened. I think we need to start planning for more of a game-changing 28 Days Later, in that we could be looking at a very different world and way of life almost immediately, while hoping it'll be more like an everything's samey but everything's different Shaun Of The Dead.

Ultimately I believe it'll be voided, it's only a question of when that decision is made and who they can find brave enough to push out in front of the watching world to announce it.

So you're saying we should all go down the Winchester and watch reruns of our glorious home wins over a pint?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 14, 2020, 10:46:47 AM
Someoneís going to be upset, whatever happens. Itís unavoidable.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: exigo on March 14, 2020, 10:47:57 AM
If anybody has got Avanti trains booked for today's game, with the season ticket discount, then you can ring them up and get them changed, but not refunded.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2020, 10:50:34 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: dave.woodhall on March 14, 2020, 10:57:38 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

Absolutely we deserve to stay up every bit as much as any other club at the bottom and certainly more than anyone in the Championship.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: exigo on March 14, 2020, 10:57:54 AM
If they don't void it, the fairest middle ground would be to have a promotion/relegation play-off.

Norwich v Leeds
Us v The Carrier Bags

Would make last year's play off semi finals look like friendlies.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: myf on March 14, 2020, 10:58:24 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

with a game in hand and a quarter of the season to go we fully deserve a place, and we earned our place last year at the expense of Leeds and the Albion. Don't be so soft
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 14, 2020, 10:59:10 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.


Well thatís kind of arbitrary though. Itís comparing apples and oranges, the top 2 in the Championship are playing much poorer opposition week in week out. If they had played the exact same fixtures as us would they have more points? Maybe not.

Donít get me wrong weíve been poor a lot, but weíre two points from moving out of the bottom 3 with a game in hand. It would be completely unfair to say we should go down because weíre in the bottom three now.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 14, 2020, 11:01:54 AM
what are all those tossers on Talkshite going to do now there is no sport?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on March 14, 2020, 11:06:29 AM
The bottom 6 are all poor in the PL, that is why they are the bottom 6! To single out the bottom 2 or even 3 especially when there are 9 or 10 games remaining and any number of things can happen is not the way of addressing the issue of relegation, otherwise why bother playing 38 games any season, if it's so clear cut.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aj2k77 on March 14, 2020, 11:10:51 AM
We've been shit but so have 5/6 other teams, we just don't watch them every week to realise how shit they've been. We have a game in hand that would move us up and above multiple teams and to safety. Given the importance of that game I'd back us to win it every time with the support behind us.

Games behind closed doors or standings as they are are unfair and shit on the integrity of the standings. If the season can't be finished then the only thing to do is void it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 11:15:33 AM
Someoneís going to be upset, whatever happens. Itís unavoidable.

Agreed, somebody will be. The important thing now, is that it's not us.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 11:18:47 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

I think you'll find more consensus with that view amongst our neighbours!

Honestly, we're 90 minutes against Sheffield United from being out the bottom 3. We then have a quarter of the season to finish anywhere from bottom to mid table.

I said this before to somebody else and it apes PWS; by your logic this time last year we did not deserve to go up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 11:19:07 AM
BBC Q&A
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51876162
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 14, 2020, 11:25:48 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

Firstly i know there are a lot bigger things going on than promotion and relegation in football, peopleís lives and livelihoods are at risk.

But as this is a football thread, I cannot understand this comment at all. Weíve been rubbish for large parts of this season and have going through a particularly bad run lately, but there is/was still nearly 1/3 of the season left to play. Why do we deserve to going down more than Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham and Brighton?? All of their form is as bad ir nearly as bad as ours and if we won our game in hand, weíd be above 3 of them.

Weíll have to see how things progress over coming weeks, but I think like the public in general footie players will get this at differing times, meaning the season will be unfinishable. Start again in August. There you go.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Pete3206 on March 14, 2020, 11:27:04 AM
The true horror of this pandemic moves to another level. Mrs Brown's boys replaces Match Of The Day.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 11:27:15 AM
Can anyone point to anything in any handbook or legislation or guidelines or whatever outside of tribal football message boards where it says that under any kind of circumstance a league season can be curtailed with teams having played different numbers of games yet simultaneously be deemed complete?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2020, 11:36:51 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

Firstly i know there are a lot bigger things going on than promotion and relegation in football, peopleís lives and livelihoods are at risk.

But as this is a football thread, I cannot understand this comment at all. Weíve been rubbish for large parts of this season and have going through a particularly bad run lately, but there is/was still nearly 1/3 of the season left to play. Why do we deserve to going down more than Norwich, Bournemouth, Watford, West Ham and Brighton?? All of their form is as bad ir nearly as bad as ours and if we won our game in hand, weíd be above 3 of them.

Weíll have to see how things progress over coming weeks, but I think like the public in general footie players will get this at differing times, meaning the season will be unfinishable. Start again in August. There you go.

Iím playing devilís advocate a bit.  But it does strike me there are a lot more posters happy with us staying up on a bizarre technicality than there were posters arguing we were going to stay up on merit after the Leicester game. It just feels a little bit, I dunno, desperate.

Imo the game in hand is a little bit of a red herring because of our form and average points per game.

I donít like it any more than anyone else by the way.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 11:41:40 AM
You appear to discount the possibility of form changing  marginally, moderately or dramatically.

Now when has that ever happened I wonder...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: simboy on March 14, 2020, 11:42:08 AM
The way out of it is to promote Dirty Leeds and the Tesco's and make it a 22 team Premiership. Promote top two in Division one to the Championship etc. Use the money that would have been paid as parachute payments to support the clubs in the Championship and other leagues [average receipts for home games paid out per missed home game], the rest distributed amongst the clubs equally. Start again in August, 5 down three up. Accept doesn't help the local businesses relying on the revenue from footfall around the games but it's a start 

And in another parallel universe ....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 14, 2020, 11:42:33 AM
what are all those tossers on Talkshite going to do now there is no sport?

Interview with Ahmed El Ghazi coming up. Seriously. I heard it advertised whilst driving this morning. My first thought was that they must be struggling for content already.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2020, 11:44:52 AM
Impossible to measure though. League standings and points on the board are the only measurable things in this. Otherwise any team can point to a period in the last few seasons where they went on a hot streak and say we might have done that, so it evens out.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: themossman on March 14, 2020, 11:48:01 AM
The way out of it is to promote Dirty Leeds and the Tesco's and make it a 22 team Premiership. Promote top two in Division one to the Championship etc. Use the money that would have been paid as parachute payments to support the clubs in the Championship and other leagues [average receipts for home games paid out per missed home game], the rest distributed amongst the clubs equally. Start again in August, 5 down three up. Accept doesn't help the local businesses relying on the revenue from footfall around the games but it's a start 

And in another parallel universe ....

Some version of that seems the fairest thing to me as well.

Throwing parachute money at Leeds and stripes would be countered with arguments about how much much money (eg) Swansea made from promotion.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 14, 2020, 11:54:44 AM
I think Karen Brady speaks the most sense on this.

Never thought Iíd read that on H&V, never mind write it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 11:56:18 AM
Are you feeling unwell, Steve? Perhaps the onset of a fever?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Billy Walker on March 14, 2020, 11:57:23 AM
True. Thereís a sense of fairness in this as well behind the technicalities. Could we really argue if we went down based on this seasonís overall performance? Do we deserve a place in the pl more than the top 2 in the championship? Much as I donít like it, Iíd say no and no.

Yes we do deserve a place more that the EFL current top two.  We got promoted fairly and squarely by completing a full season in the Championship last year and we now sit in the Premier League, a game in hand, and thirty points still to play for. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: simboy on March 14, 2020, 11:59:04 AM
The way out of it is to promote Dirty Leeds and the Tesco's and make it a 22 team Premiership. Promote top two in Division one to the Championship etc. Use the money that would have been paid as parachute payments to support the clubs in the Championship and other leagues [average receipts for home games paid out per missed home game], the rest distributed amongst the clubs equally. Start again in August, 5 down three up. Accept doesn't help the local businesses relying on the revenue from footfall around the games but it's a start 

And in another parallel universe ....

Some version of that seems the fairest thing to me as well.

Throwing parachute money at Leeds and stripes would be countered with arguments about how much much money (eg) Swansea made from promotion.


There will be a lot of clubs go to the wall because the league is suspended or cancelled.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 14, 2020, 11:59:14 AM
I just want us to stay up, because I feel that the squad isnít a total write off recruitment wise. Iím not fussed if itís on a technicality as nobody can say with any certainty how the rest of the season would pan out. Just look at what we did last season going on that winning run, it was incredible and nobody would have predicted it.

Some of the new players have had a crash course on how big a step up in competition this is, and I feel if we can add to the squad while retaining our best players we could actually start to become competitive again. We need to collectively learn from the numerous mistakes weíve made this season, in recruitment, formation, game management, and go back to basics.

Whether Dean stays on or not, I donít know. Ultimately it would be up to the owners but while he certainly can be blamed for some stuff I donít think itís entirely his fault how weíve struggled. He will have learned a lot as well I would imagine. Also it would depend on who else is available, generally our recruitment of managers for the last decade has been abysmal.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 12:07:50 PM
I don't see how you can relegate from some divisions but not others. Relegated clubs will just point to divisions with no relegation and you are into the minefield.

And you can't say we'd definitely lose to Chelsea, Watford have won 1 in 7, a 3-0 battering of the best side in the country.

It's such a legal minefield i'm really glad I don't have to try to work out what to do if this carries on for months.

Yes I agree.

So to tweak it, I would just allow 2 up from each EFL division.

Relegation numbers changed accordingly the following season in order to bring each division back to the numbers it had this season

EFL rules prescribe that all disputes are dealt with pursuant to S5 of the Arbitration Act 1996:

https://www.efl.com/-more/governance/efl-rules--regulations/section-9--arbitration/

So in my scenario, the only issue would be if the play off contenders in the Championship decided that they wanted to challenge a/the decision to do away with the play offs for this season only.
Works for me. And to compensate those in the play off positions maybe they could all start the season with +6 points?

Or, as Brassneck said, the teams in the championship play off places could be given the parachute payments that wouldíve otherwise been paid to the teams relegated from the PL. Seemed like a good idea to me.

I doubt very much theyíd be happy with that. Theyíll have missed out on the chance to cement a place in the pl or at worst a year of Sky money and the staggered parachute payments post relegation. No comparison.

There's a difference between a (25%) chance of cementing a place in the PL and actually earning one.  Of course they will moan but what are the alternatives?  You can't give them extra points next season because every other team in the division will kick off.  Parachute payments are huge for the first 2 years - 3 lots divided by 4 teams is not to be sniffed at.

Nobody is claiming they are going to be happy but out of everything, the play offs are going to be the first thing to be abandoned because we won't have the time to play them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
I doubt the Premier league (or the teams in it) will favour adding more teams, even for just one season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 12:12:51 PM
If they don't void it, the fairest middle ground would be to have a promotion/relegation play-off.

Norwich v Leeds
Us v The Carrier Bags

Would make last year's play off semi finals look like friendlies.

Why put us in there? They've no way of knowing that we couldn't have beaten Sheffield United in our game in hand. You can't punish us for making the League Cup Final.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2020, 12:23:02 PM
I had accepted we were going down, I did not see us getting many points out of the games left against teams either on form, or with something to play for, or both.
That would not however justify relegating us as there is still 10 games to go.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 12:23:05 PM
I doubt the Premier league (or the teams in it) will favour adding more teams, even for just one season.

You never know what UEFA might yet decide, they could end up not playing next season's competitions and free up loads of midweek dates. We're arguing about whether or not we'd deserve to be relegated, but should this situation be replicated continent-wide, there'll be some almighty rows about who qualifies for what if national competitions don't get completed.

Or bin the domestic cups.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 14, 2020, 12:49:38 PM
I want Villa to remain in the premier league.
I think the outcome outside of football will cause villa to remain.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2020, 01:09:29 PM
Thereís no way that they are going to promote or relegate anyone unless itís mathematically 100%. They will either cram games in if at all possible (unlikely) or void the season. Really bad news for some and really good news for others, but I can not see any other solution that wonít be dragged through the courts. (And even this will be challenged)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: gpbarr on March 14, 2020, 01:14:41 PM
Will be dragged through the courts regardless - either by those relegated or those not promoted. Which is why they will finish the season even if that means delaying the start of next season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 01:17:04 PM
Declare it null and void due to Force Majeure. We then retain our Premier League status and Liverpool are not declared winners. Job's a good-'un.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 14, 2020, 01:22:58 PM
I mean if season is declared null and void will that be the set president.
And that means the stats and results of matches this season are null and void?
Players goals and assists aren't recognised ?
Jack Grealish record of most premier losses scrapped for example.
Dean Smith win %?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 14, 2020, 01:23:31 PM
I think that the premier league will follow whatever rules are devised by EUfa / FIFA as these are the governing bodies of football.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 14, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
If null and void then that should be the set president for all things Premier league .
Talking fantasy football league - no winner
Football season long bets with friends or bookmakers.
That these are made null and void
Maybe even all football bets and ultimate FIFA gaming purchase  in season could be refunded because season did not finish so that doesn't count ??
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 01:41:52 PM
Overall, Villa haven't actually spent that much time in the bottom 3. We might have won the Sheffield United game so would be currently out of it.
I agree with adding the 2 top teams in the Championship and having a 22 team League next season. Apparently that is currently being discussed by the PL as a favourable option. Liverpool also to be declared champions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 01:43:38 PM
I don't think anybody would be that surprised if they did make them Champions. We've all had months to get used to the idea as it is.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 01:45:09 PM
Leeds and Albion promoted and Liverpool declared champions doesn't sound very favourable to me. Null and void the season, now that is a favourable scenario.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2020, 01:52:20 PM
Just been reading up on this . 80% of the uk population May get this (at some point) with  5-10% needing hospital treatment thats up to 5.3 million requiring assistance.... any fact checkers out there that can tell me Iím talking bollocks please tell me Iím wrong..
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2020, 01:56:22 PM
Leeds and Albion promoted and Liverpool declared champions doesn't sound very favourable to me. Null and void the season, now that is a favourable scenario.

Liverpool fans everywhere are fucking shitting it right now. It's magnificently hilarious. In a season they've walked the league it has literally taken an "Act of God" of equivalent to deny them. And if Leeds fans think the same in a season they were finally going up it only doubles the pleasure.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 01:57:18 PM
It's our year Brendon!!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 02:07:53 PM
This is interesting....Loads of "Liverpool 2020 Premier League Champions" t shirts on sale. A tad presumptious don't you think?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 14, 2020, 02:10:49 PM
This is interesting....Loads of "Liverpool 2020 Premier League Champions" t shirts on sale. A tad presumptious don't you think?

The price keeps dropping. Give it another week and they'll be a cheap bogroll replacement.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 14, 2020, 02:16:37 PM
They've no way of knowing that we couldn't have beaten Sheffield United in our game in hand.
Exactly.  Only we know that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 14, 2020, 02:19:43 PM
Weíll never hear the end of it if they arenít declared champions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Newby on March 14, 2020, 02:25:07 PM
If the government are about to push through legislation about large gatherings, the season is never going to re-start in April unless the games will be played behind closed doors.  If that is the case, will the F.A. give any due consideration for those players and their families affected?  Managers would complain that they are hamstrung by not being able to pick their best sides and starting again without fans and all players being available, feels a bit immoral.  I think fat Karen may be right for once, scrap the season as is. 

West Brom and Leeds may moan, but they also have several games left and how many times have Leeds fallen apart?  Nothing is a done deal, not even Liverpool winning the title, particularly if their last couple of weeks is anything to go by.  Null and void.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: spartacuss on March 14, 2020, 02:27:50 PM
I mean if season is declared null and void will that be the set president.
And that means the stats and results of matches this season are null and void?
Players goals and assists aren't recognised ?
Jack Grealish record of most premier losses scrapped for example.
Dean Smith win %?

There is a precedent. During World War 2, there was a 'Wartime League' and a 'Wartime League Cup', but - for obvious reasons - consistent teams and players were impossible to maintain.  As a result the record of teams' statistics etc. are not counted -  whatever wins, individual player achievements occurred etc. - towards a club's history.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 14, 2020, 02:30:08 PM


Let's say this season restarts in August/September after numerous false dawns.

How on earth are players going to keep match fit and motivated until then with no definite matches to play ?

Do they not get a holiday/rest period as normal ?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 02:32:18 PM
IMO the individual player stats should stand, as should the Man City LC win, as they were all achieved when things were normal.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Newby on March 14, 2020, 02:33:51 PM


Let's say this season restarts in August/September after numerous false dawns.

How on earth are players going to keep match fit and motivated until then with no definite matches to play ?

Do they not get a holiday/rest period as normal ?



We have to think about the transfer window as well, along with the rest of Europe.  Players out of contract is an interesting one too., as is loans ending and players returning to their parent clubs.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 14, 2020, 02:39:07 PM
If null and void then that should be the set president for all things Premier league .
Talking fantasy football league - no winner
Football season long bets with friends or bookmakers.
That these are made null and void
Maybe even all football bets and ultimate FIFA gaming purchase  in season could be refunded because season did not finish so that doesn't count ??
Will all the balti pies I have devoured be null and void on my waistline?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 03:01:35 PM
I don't think anybody would be that surprised if they did make them Champions. We've all had months to get used to the idea as it is.

If it happens, it happens. But let it never stop any of us from pointing out right to their faces that they did not win it, they were awarded it for no other reason than to stop them whining on about it for another thirty fucking years.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 03:02:17 PM
Champions-elect.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2020, 03:17:50 PM
I don't think anybody would be that surprised if they did make them Champions. We've all had months to get used to the idea as it is.

If it happens, it happens. But let it never stop any of us from pointing out right to their faces that they did not win it, they were awarded it for no other reason than to stop them whining on about it for another thirty fucking years.
Yes, there is going to be endless fun, yeh but you didnít really win it did you, you know outright like?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 03:18:30 PM
Champions by default.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 14, 2020, 03:18:50 PM
I don't think anybody would be that surprised if they did make them Champions. We've all had months to get used to the idea as it is.

If it happens, it happens. But let it never stop any of us from pointing out right to their faces that they did not win it, they were awarded it for no other reason than to stop them whining on about it for another thirty fucking years.
I'd settle for that I think.  '2019/20 will always have an asterisk next to it etc etc'
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 14, 2020, 03:20:37 PM
You nearly won the league
You nearly won the league
And now youíre gonna believe us....
You nearly won the league
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2020, 03:27:55 PM
Was flicking through the channels at lunchtime and was surprised Football focus was still on. They had an interview with Brighton CEO.

Interesting when they asked him about no relegation this season and promote the top 2 from the championship he was quickly enthused about that suggestion.

Can see that at least being put forward as a proposal in April or whenever the next crisis summit will take place so would be 22 team league and 5 would go down although no idea how you could re-align the schedule if this season overruns as now is a near certainty.

Can see prem doing it if as rumoured Bundesliga decides to reshape the league along those lines.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 03:41:30 PM
SSN have just had an interview with Richard Cramer, a leading Sports Lawyer. He said if the League restarts in April then it should be just about alright. Beyond that there will be no choice but to void the League. I can't see the PL restarting in April - we'll be in lockdown by then judging by the rapid rise in new virus cases.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 14, 2020, 03:43:12 PM
SSN have just had an interview with Richard Cramer, a leading Sports Lawyer. He said if the League restarts in April then it should be just about alright. Beyond that there will be no choice but to void the League.
Did he say why that's the case?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 03:43:23 PM
I doubt we'll enter lockdown given our differing strategy of mass immunisation, but I suspect that sporting events will still be suspended to aid control that rate of infection.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 14, 2020, 03:54:00 PM
Liverpool being given the title on sympathetic grounds in a country theyíll tell you they arenít actually from (Scouse not English) is a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 14, 2020, 03:59:10 PM
Was flicking through the channels at lunchtime and was surprised Football focus was still on. They had an interview with Brighton CEO.

Interesting when they asked him about no relegation this season and promote the top 2 from the championship he was quickly enthused about that suggestion.

Can see that at least being put forward as a proposal in April or whenever the next crisis summit will take place so would be 22 team league and 5 would go down although no idea how you could re-align the schedule if this season overruns as now is a near certainty.

Can see prem doing it if as rumoured Bundesliga decides to reshape the league along those lines.


and why would the other clubs currently battling out at the top of the championship allow that to happen ?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 04:00:55 PM
You say "allow" like they have a choice. When has the Premier League ever consulted with Preston and Brentford before making a decision?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 14, 2020, 04:08:20 PM
Was flicking through the channels at lunchtime and was surprised Football focus was still on. They had an interview with Brighton CEO.

Interesting when they asked him about no relegation this season and promote the top 2 from the championship he was quickly enthused about that suggestion.

Can see that at least being put forward as a proposal in April or whenever the next crisis summit will take place so would be 22 team league and 5 would go down although no idea how you could re-align the schedule if this season overruns as now is a near certainty.

Can see prem doing it if as rumoured Bundesliga decides to reshape the league along those lines.


and why would the other clubs currently battling out at the top of the championship allow that to happen ?



Ultimately whatever proposal knocked up in next six weeks ain't going to please everyone. Premier league will knock one up which will have less potential for mass court claims aswell.

Of course the frustrating thing is just a month back Leeds could hardly win a game and likes of Forest/Brentford were level on points or just a point or two behind them so would serve them right for all turning uselss at the same time and giving Leeds and Smethwick an easy promotion.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 04:19:06 PM
I think if, as suggested, the League Cup gets cancelled it won't be back. They'll use the Winter World Cup as an excuse to avoid reviving it in 2021-22 and 2022-23 and then it won't be brought back after three years away. The likes of Liverpool and Man City will get their own way, and the chances of any club outside the current elite ever winning a major trophy again shrinks even further. Mbwana Samata scored the last even League Cup goal, I reckon.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 04:27:20 PM
I can see the fairness in not relegating teams when there are games to play, but promoting the top two in the championship seems very unfair, considering how close it is.

Probably my Villa bias speaking.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 04:29:30 PM
It isn't close.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 14, 2020, 04:32:46 PM
Fulham still toplayLeeds and Olbiyon and only 7 and 6 points in it with 6 games to go , no way can they award them PL status.
The more I think about it and unless this is over soon and it wonít be, Null and Void is the most likely way they can defend Law suits.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: CT on March 14, 2020, 04:34:46 PM
Leeds and Albion promoted and Liverpool declared champions doesn't sound very favourable to me. Null and void the season, now that is a favourable scenario.

Liverpool fans everywhere are fucking shitting it right now. It's magnificently hilarious. In a season they've walked the league it has literally taken an "Act of God" of equivalent to deny them. And if Leeds fans think the same in a season they were finally going up it only doubles the pleasure.

...and if you think Albion fans are bitter now....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Des Little on March 14, 2020, 04:37:05 PM
I hope they discuss the real issue at stake here on Thursday. I still have 2 x drinks vouchers to use from the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' game. What about them??
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2020, 04:38:16 PM
What could possibly make steamrollering your way to your first title in 30 years an anticlimax?

A global pandemic meaning the season shuts down so you don't actually win it on the pitch and you can't have a parade until months later.

It's quite amusing actually. Still won't be as hilarious as Leeds and Baggies being denied promotion though.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 04:39:31 PM
Day 2 of no sport meant I decided to have a conversation with the wife. Turns out she was made redundant from Woolworths.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 04:44:59 PM
It isn't close.


Itís close enough for one of them to fuck it up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 04:52:47 PM
It's closer than when Wolves collapsed and Albion took second. And that's the thing, apart from having a lead like Liverpool do, there's examples clubs can point to of where the unexpected happened.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 04:54:32 PM
Itís not that close at the top of the Prem. It isnít that close at the top of the championship. But have you seen the top of league 2? 5 points covering the top 5 teams with some having games in hand? What do you do here?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 04:55:05 PM
It isn't close.


Itís close enough for one of them to fuck it up.

They already fucked it up and nobody took advantage. They're miles clear. As are Villa Ladies. Send them up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 05:00:25 PM
It isn't close.


Itís close enough for one of them to fuck it up.

They already fucked it up and nobody took advantage. They're miles clear. As are Villa Ladies. Send them up.

Fulham (3rd) are 7 points behind the leaders. 9 games to go.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Zouch Villa on March 14, 2020, 05:01:34 PM
I can imagine if the league is called off, then there will be some additional payments to lower league teams to sweeten the pill. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 05:02:25 PM
So they can definitely fuck up again and this time someone could take advantage. 6 points with 9 to play is fuck all, Wolves were 10 ahead with 8 to play and blew it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2020, 05:06:41 PM
Itís not that close at the top of the Prem. It isnít that close at the top of the championship. But have you seen the top of league 2? 5 points covering the top 5 teams with some having games in hand? What do you do here?

It's a 3 point gap from 2nd to 8th with the team in 8th (Wycombe) having a game in hand. How you sort that out I don't know. Also in league 2 Exeter only 3 points off auto spots, Cheltenham 4 points with a game in hand.

More I think about it more I reckon they'll have to void season. If we don't get playing again.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 05:15:29 PM
So they can definitely fuck up again and this time someone could take advantage. 6 points with 9 to play is fuck all, Wolves were 10 ahead with 8 to play and blew it.

Yes, they could fuck it up. But you have to finish the season somehow, and rewarding teams for points accumulated over eight months seems fairer than disregarding them entirely.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 05:17:25 PM
So they can definitely fuck up again and this time someone could take advantage. 6 points with 9 to play is fuck all, Wolves were 10 ahead with 8 to play and blew it.

Yes, they could fuck it up. But you have to finish the season somehow, and rewarding teams for points accumulated over eight months seems fairer than disregarding them entirely.

I guess you think itís fair to relegate Villa then 😂
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 05:19:04 PM
No, we have a game in hand, if we won that we would be out of the bottom three. I think it is fair to promote Villa Ladies. Of all the available options, the 22 team league seems the fairest way of doing things.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2020, 05:24:40 PM
Just been reading RAWK and a few of them saying this season should finish regardless and next season is the one that gets altered. Potentially reduce it to 19 games, euro comps knockout only, that kind of thing. Obviously they've got a vested interest but it's a fair idea I think.

I realise this is 10 minutes after saying they'll have to void the season. I'm not sure what to think really, this no sport is hitting me hard!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 05:26:21 PM
No, we have a game in hand, if we won that we would be out of the bottom three. I think it is fair to promote Villa Ladies. Of all the available options, the 22 team league seems the fairest way of doing things.

But like I said earlier, what do you do in leagues 1 and 2 where itís really close? Itís a minefield and the Ďfairestí thing to do is void the season.  The integrity of all remaining league and cup football for this season is already compromised. Peoples livelihoods have got to be thought about. Imagine the staff jobs lost at a premier league club if they are relegated on essentially a technicality?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 05:27:36 PM
But European competition starts in July. Season needs to be finished by then so you know who England's representatives are.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 05:30:39 PM
No, we have a game in hand, if we won that we would be out of the bottom three. I think it is fair to promote Villa Ladies. Of all the available options, the 22 team league seems the fairest way of doing things.

But like I said earlier, what do you do in leagues 1 and 2 where itís really close? Itís a minefield and the Ďfairestí thing to do is void the season.  The integrity of all remaining league and cup football for this season is already compromised. Peoples livelihoods have got to be thought about. Imagine the staff jobs lost at a premier league club if they are relegated on essentially a technicality?

That's why you don't relegate anyone, just have more relegations next season. Teams such as Villa Women should be rewarded for their efforts this season, we have already been accumulating players based on being a top flight club next season, why should their efforts be ignored?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: garyellis on March 14, 2020, 05:34:13 PM
If you look at other sporting events that were due to take place in March they are being rearranged for mid to late May.
And even that is probably optimistic.
The April date was just to give the necessary bodies time to consider the options and make some well meaning statements.
If no more football can be played there will be an effort to find an agreement on the way forward to avoid a litigation fest. That will mean some serious financial sweeteners.
Not a cat in hells chance they will relegate teams that haven't completed their fixtures or be able to reach any agreement to do so.
Promotion maybe different if common ground and a suitable financial incentive can convince those in the mix but the easy option is status quo and void the season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 14, 2020, 05:45:45 PM
But European competition starts in July. Season needs to be finished by then so you know who England's representatives are.

European competition doesn't have to start in July and in the circumstances surely it's more sensible to delay that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 14, 2020, 05:47:30 PM
Yes, but that isn't up to the Premier League. Obviously, if UEFA announce that they are rescheduling events then it allows a bit more flexibility.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 05:51:40 PM
My guess is theyíll hold on to hope that it can all kick off again on the 4th April but there is zero chance of that. The postponement will be moved back to late April and then a final date of early May. After this, the league will be cancelled as they will say theyíve given themselves plenty of opportunity to get it going again.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 14, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
There is no chance of  football resuming this season - Spain has just goner into lock down and we will inevitably follow. It's over a century since the world encountered a situation remotely like this and there are so many considerations vastly more important to deal with.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 14, 2020, 05:59:21 PM
Bolton are 21 points from safety, if the season is abandoned do they get the points deduction again next season?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: charlatan on March 14, 2020, 06:12:02 PM
Seems an opportune moment the EFL to announce a completely pointless FFP points deduction for Birmingham City.

OTOH they could wait until next season and give them two deductions at once!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 14, 2020, 06:39:02 PM
The Noses were cleared.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 06:53:07 PM
Bolton are 21 points from safety, if the season is abandoned do they get the points deduction again next season?

Theyíll have to otherwise they havenít been punished.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 14, 2020, 06:54:33 PM
UEFA suggesting euros to be moved to December to allow leagues to finish.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 14, 2020, 06:55:35 PM
So there is no 20/21 season then?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Border villan on March 14, 2020, 06:58:24 PM
UEFA suggesting euros to be moved to December to allow leagues to finish.
Where has this come from?
They are discussing/deciding? On Tuesday.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 14, 2020, 07:20:58 PM
UEFA suggesting euros to be moved to December to allow leagues to finish.
Where has this come from?
They are discussing/deciding? On Tuesday.

Daily Telegraph
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 14, 2020, 07:36:57 PM
UEFA suggesting euros to be moved to December to allow leagues to finish.
Where has this come from?
They are discussing/deciding? On Tuesday.

Daily Telegraph

Should give us time to bolster the team!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 14, 2020, 08:08:36 PM
The more I think about it, the more I think contracts/loans are a non-issue. Transfers happen mid way through the season in the January window. Contracts finish mid way through the Champions League/UEFA Cup for Scandinavian & Irish sides. Given everything going on, I just see it as a minor issue that's easily waved away.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 08:13:01 PM
Having a read through the rules, there appears nothing in place covering an extreme situation such as this.

I'm wondering whether it will be decided by the members (the clubs) in a vote?

If this is the case, there is a good chance that the majority of PL clubs would vote to void the league (Bottom 6 guaranteed to do so) - Only discussions between the 2 bodies would pave the way for a 22 team league next season.  Certainly none of the top clubs would want 4 more league games.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 08:47:40 PM
Just reading the Articles of Association for the PL,

Any amendment to the rules, relating to matters affecting the organisation and management of the league must be made by resolution (Article 16).  The general requirement is a majority of 2/3 (as is the EFL), so probably requires 14 out of 20 clubs to vote in favor. (Article 27).  The powers of the board of directors (of the PL) is covered in Articles 47-50.  Basically, they are powers of management and administering/applying the rules set out by it's members

I think this will have to go to the vote of it's members - Am I being greedy in wanting Leeds & the muppets to stay down?

Personally, I can't see many teams in the PL wanting a 22 team division.  The top teams because of the fixture pile up and the bottom ones because 5 down makes it more difficult to survive.  You would only need one of Leeds or the muppets to have a good season and you'd be looking to finish ahead of 5 of the rest.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: WassallVillain on March 14, 2020, 08:48:30 PM
- Only discussions between the 2 bodies would pave the way for a 22 team league next season.  Certainly none of the top clubs would want 4 more league games.

Why not? Easily possible to fit more games in if 2021 season started early which could be accommodated if the euro are cancelled.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 08:53:02 PM
- Only discussions between the 2 bodies would pave the way for a 22 team league next season.  Certainly none of the top clubs would want 4 more league games.

Why not? Easily possible to fit more games in if 2021 season started early which could be accommodated if the euro are cancelled.

For the reasons I've posted.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 08:55:51 PM
Is there anything in the PL or FA or FL rulebooks which indicate a specific date by which the season must be completed?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2020, 08:59:30 PM
The more I think about it the more I wonder how Iím going to cope without football of any kind until August (earliest I guess 🤷‍♂️)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 09:02:45 PM
The more I think about it the more I wonder how Iím going to cope without football of any kind until August (earliest I guess 🤷‍♂️)

Subbuteo, FIFA, alcohol, football DVDs.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 14, 2020, 09:15:57 PM
Is there anything in the PL or FA or FL rulebooks which indicate a specific date by which the season must be completed?

There are references to it being completed within the year from a particular clubs first game.

Problem is, amendments can be made by way of resolution.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john2710 on March 14, 2020, 09:20:38 PM
There's no way they can assume the promotion / relegation can be settled based on the situation with 9-10 games left. You've got more chance of drawing lots.

The question is not if the season can be restarted in April / May, it's whether next season can start in August & whether there's a risk of a second wave. If they think next season can start / finish OK, the only logical solution is to declare this season void & everything is reset.

UEFA will decide. The PL will have to fall in line with the rest of Europe.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 14, 2020, 09:24:16 PM
I reckon they will propose to finish the leagues in the summer.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: charlatan on March 14, 2020, 09:28:32 PM
The Noses were cleared.

Cheers. Missed that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flamingo Lane on March 14, 2020, 09:35:24 PM
Regardless of how long it takes or would take to complete the domestic fixtures of the 2019/2020  season that is what should happen, and that needs to take priority over all other football.  And then it's taken from there.  The Euros should go, and if needs be the champions league and europa league too.  The 2022 world cup in Kuwait is bollocks anyway, from the sporting perspective.  It wouldn't be missed, and not having it would provide a bit of space that will be much needed for any catch-up.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 09:39:28 PM
The key feature of any solution, regardless of time scale, is that in order for it to be fair it has to guarantee that Aston Villa stay up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: WassallVillain on March 14, 2020, 09:56:20 PM
The key feature of any solution, regardless of time scale, is that in order for it to be fair it has to guarantee that Aston Villa stay up.
Richard Masters was heard to say
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: walsall villain on March 14, 2020, 10:00:03 PM
The key feature of any solution, regardless of time scale, is that in order for it to be fair it has to guarantee that Aston Villa stay up.
Iím now seriously thinking this is possible. Iím going to be so pissed off when it doesnít happen
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 14, 2020, 10:07:41 PM
I reckon they will propose to finish the leagues in the summer.

2021?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 14, 2020, 10:24:14 PM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 14, 2020, 10:30:16 PM
I don't see a way out of this which doesn't lead to the courts.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 14, 2020, 10:40:39 PM
So many more lives are going to be lost by the time April comes along and I think a whole lock down of non essential places get locked down and that many clubs and players won't be in the right frame of minds to start playing football matches for a long while.
Fans too will realize that as health and families matter first .
Decisions to make null and void will have to be put in place in my view because for the benefit of health and fairness the circumstances mean the football season can't finish and that means nothing can be resolved.
Those that 'miss out' or don't get the outcome they want ie Titles or promotions is really negligible when dealing with something way bigger than football.
The real concern is the health of people and footballers and their families are people first and foremost .
The closure of the non essential places and shut downs is coming so how is football going to be the only thing that will be re opening while the rest of us stay at home .
Can't see anything other than a closure of the season.
Stay safe everyone
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 14, 2020, 10:50:50 PM
Regardless of how long it takes or would take to complete the domestic fixtures of the 2019/2020  season that is what should happen, and that needs to take priority over all other football.  And then it's taken from there.  The Euros should go, and if needs be the champions league and europa league too.  The 2022 world cup in Kuwait is bollocks anyway, from the sporting perspective.  It wouldn't be missed, and not having it would provide a bit of space that will be much needed for any catch-up.
As much as i hate the fact that the World Cup will be held in Kuwait 2022 they have spent billions on stadium and infrastructure. They would bankrupt FIFA with lawsuits if it were cancelled. Perhaps Blatter and his cronies could be forced to pay back some of the back handers they (ahem allegedly) took. That would be soooo sweet.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 14, 2020, 10:53:58 PM
The way the whole spread of this is looking itís not going to be linear, so the idea that by early May or whenever itís looking done and dusted and we can all start getting back to normal, is probably unrealistic.

With this in mind and Just in terms of football, I think weíll end up hearing more than one announcement, a bit like a couple of days ago everything was going ahead this weekend, until Arteta gets diagnosed and then itís all off. So I think theyíll continue to make positive noises and maybe even in a couple of weeks an announcement that the season will continue from early April onwards. But as that approaches and different players/coaches/staff of other clubs get diagnosed, the whole thing will come to a halt again, until eventually they realise they have to call the season off.

The completely sensible thing would be then to call the season null and void, and to start again in August when hopefully the dust has settled a bit, the only stumbling block to this is liverpool who are so far ahead, the premier league will have all sorts of headaches not giving them the league title, and Iím saying this as someone who really really dislikes Liverpool FC. If all the clubs can come to a grudging agreement that they get premier league title but everything else across the 4 divisions is status quo, thatís what I think will happen.

We are all in complete Unknownís here, but death tolls rising, planes turning round mid journey and countries closing their borders, the idea of this football season every being completed is ludicrous.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 14, 2020, 11:25:36 PM
R&B, if you missed it, there was a bit of a confab earlier around p52 of this thread, and we've found a mechanism to help many of us deal with the emotional fallout of 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' being 'awarded' the title.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 14, 2020, 11:38:19 PM
West Ham manager David Moyes no longer self-isolating following coronavirus fears he's mid 50s.
Roy Hodgson is oldest and perhaps most vulnerable because of age. He hasn't caught it.
But Arteta who is youngest football manager has Coronavirus.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 11:44:20 PM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 14, 2020, 11:49:05 PM
R&B, if you missed it, there was a bit of a confab earlier around p52 of this thread, and we've found a mechanism to help many of us deal with the emotional fallout of 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' being 'awarded' the title.

😂 Iím already winding the Liverpool fans at work up!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 11:51:47 PM
- Only discussions between the 2 bodies would pave the way for a 22 team league next season.  Certainly none of the top clubs would want 4 more league games.

Why not? Easily possible to fit more games in if 2021 season started early which could be accommodated if the euro are cancelled.

For the reasons I've posted.

In the grand scheme of things asking footballers to play a few extra games pales into insignificance compared to the huge challenges ahead in tackling COVID-19.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 12:12:42 AM
- Only discussions between the 2 bodies would pave the way for a 22 team league next season.  Certainly none of the top clubs would want 4 more league games.

Why not? Easily possible to fit more games in if 2021 season started early which could be accommodated if the euro are cancelled.

For the reasons I've posted.

In the grand scheme of things asking footballers to play a few extra games pales into insignificance compared to the huge challenges ahead in tackling COVID-19.

Whatís that got to do with the price of cheese?

Weíre talking about why members would vote against increasing the numbers, thatís all.

Increasing the numbers has nothing to do with the virus and playing a few more games will not help fight the virus.

You have to keep things in perspective here. Weíre discussing football decisions, not what is best for the virus.  Playing extra games wonít help anyone other than the muppets and Leeds and that also pales into insignificance.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 15, 2020, 12:13:03 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
We have a game in hand and anything is possible. The best result this season could be Watford 3 Liverpool 0.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2020, 12:37:35 AM
I don't see a way out of this which doesn't lead to the courts.

Which keeps pointing to Null and Void or complete the season.
If the latter is deemed unworkable then the Null and void option provides the least actionable option.
The Rules state how relegation Europe promotion is decided, if clubs canít comply  then there is not much the clubs can do about it.
There will have to be a settlement of the Broadcasting contracts which will not be simple.
Oliver Holt is a twat.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 15, 2020, 12:39:56 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.

We've known this for a long time. MON's best mate.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 15, 2020, 12:45:19 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
We have a game in hand and anything is possible. The best result this season could be Watford 3 Liverpool 0.

Excellent point. And FWIW, despite my extremely low expectations for the rest of the season, I'd have bet the bank we'd win at home to Sheff Utd. Something about red & white stripes at Villa Park. We hate them. Ask Sunderland.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2020, 01:20:41 AM
Just feel that this is really going to bite in a few weeks time and there is going to be increasing anger building up.  The longer it goes on, the financial implications are going to become huge and it surely is going to threaten the existence of some EFL clubs. 

Not as important as as lives being lost of course, but can definitely see a lot of frustration beginning to mount as the weeks tick by.  As with anything, they need to be decisive and remove as much doubt as possible.  Can't see the point of delaying the remaining games, as no one has the faintest clue when they could be played at this point.  If the situation has become worse by April 3rd, then end the season then by either making it null and void or look at promoting teams as the tables stand. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 01:26:13 AM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2020, 01:34:23 AM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.

Of course, but was specifically discussing the impact on football. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 01:53:45 AM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.

Of course, but was specifically discussing the impact on football.

The impact is the same everywhere.  There is nothing anyone can do.

Neither of the leagues (PL/EFL) can make a decision until all members have had 21 days notice (of a general meeting) - That is why there has been a 3 week suspension.

In 3 weeks time, we're going to be in a lot worse position than we are today.  The season will be officially cancelled at the general meeting of 3 April.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2020, 01:59:50 AM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.

Of course, but was specifically discussing the impact on football.

The impact is the same everywhere.  There is nothing anyone can do.

Neither of the leagues (PL/EFL) can make a decision until all members have had 21 days notice (of a general meeting) - That is why there has been a 3 week suspension.

In 3 weeks time, we're going to be in a lot worse position than we are today.  The season will be officially cancelled at the general meeting of 3 April.

Agree with all of that, but not sure if season will be cancelled on April 3rd or postponed another month and a decision made then.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 15, 2020, 03:50:25 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
We have a game in hand and anything is possible. The best result this season could be Watford 3 Liverpool 0.

Excellent point. And FWIW, despite my extremely low expectations for the rest of the season, I'd have bet the bank we'd win at home to Sheff Utd. Something about red & white stripes at Villa Park. We hate them. Ask Sunderland.

Pray then itís not like Stoke. That moment in time where everything started to fall apart.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 15, 2020, 04:44:57 AM
Thing is, all these supporters with vested interests (mainly Leeds and Liverpool fans ) are all pushing their preferred versions. As I understand it, this will be a simple vote taken solely by the PL clubs, thatís where the power resides in this process. Not sure anyone else gets much say.

It takes 14 votes to carry a motion and no way will the clubs vote to relegate anybody based on the current standings, none whatsoever. The PL clubs have a track record if being conservative in their voting patterns and I canít see this changing now over this.

The first thing the clubs will want to do is inject some certainty meaning theyíll set a date by which the season must be fully completed, probable deadline being 30 June 2020 as thatís when contracts expire and the traditional change over of one season to another occurs. Vote 1.

If this deadline is missed theyíll null/void the league (but may still hand Liverpool the title as their lead is just so large.) Vote 2.

Finally theyíll need to decide whether theyíll be prepared to expand the league and promote teams from the EFL based on current standings. Vote 3.

Whether we agree or not this is how I think it will end up working out.

Leeds, Albion and Uncle Tom Cobley can scream shout and threaten to sue all they like, the PL clubs are the only decision makers here as each equally having shares in the league only transferable on relegation. Whichever way the vote goes thatís basically the end of it.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: itbrvilla on March 15, 2020, 06:35:42 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
We have a game in hand and anything is possible. The best result this season could be Watford 3 Liverpool 0.

Excellent point. And FWIW, despite my extremely low expectations for the rest of the season, I'd have bet the bank we'd win at home to Sheff Utd. Something about red & white stripes at Villa Park. We hate them. Ask Sunderland.

Pray then itís not like Stoke. That moment in time where everything started to fall apart.
Southampton also have a good record against us.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 15, 2020, 06:47:36 AM
The first thing the clubs will want to do is inject some certainty meaning theyíll set a date by which the season must be fully completed, probable deadline being 30 June 2020 as thatís when contracts expire and the traditional change over of one season to another occurs. Vote 1.

The one thing I'd say there is potentially, when it gets closer to 30th June, they might choose to extend it to 31st December if the UEFA announcement in the Euros is correct (post a few pages back).

I suspect the season won't be complete on 30th June myself. But if they play fixtures behind closed doors, as and when it's possible *maybe* they'll finish it soon enough that next season can go ahead almost as normal, maybe just with the odd alteration (more midweek rounds, fewer international friendlies/nations league games .. that sort of thing)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: alanclare on March 15, 2020, 07:24:40 AM
This may have been covered already. Karen Brady thinks that the season should be declared ďnull and voidĒ.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/14/west-ham-karren-brady-calls-for-premier-league-cancellation-coronavirus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 15, 2020, 07:35:23 AM
Oliver Holt of the Daily Heil opines thusly:
Quote
(https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/1290594655/OHM_bigger.jpg)Oliver Holt@OllieHolt22
If resumption is not possible, freeze the league tables as they are now, give Liverpool the title, send Norwich, Villa and Bournemouth down and promote Leeds as champions. MoS column later.
What a demented cuntflugle.
 

He forgets that we have that game in hand on the others. A massive Trump card in our favour.
We have a game in hand and anything is possible. The best result this season could be Watford 3 Liverpool 0.

Excellent point. And FWIW, despite my extremely low expectations for the rest of the season, I'd have bet the bank we'd win at home to Sheff Utd. Something about red & white stripes at Villa Park. We hate them. Ask Sunderland.

Pray then itís not like Stoke. That moment in time where everything started to fall apart.

They were in their yellow away kit.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2020, 07:57:02 AM
Thing is, all these supporters with vested interests (mainly Leeds and Liverpool fans ) are all pushing their preferred versions. As I understand it, this will be a simple vote taken solely by the PL clubs, thatís where the power resides in this process. Not sure anyone else gets much say.
It takes 14 votes to carry a motion and no way will the clubs vote to relegate anybody based on the current standings, none whatsoever. The PL clubs have a track record if being conservative in their voting patterns and I canít see this changing now over this.
The first thing the clubs will want to do is inject some certainty meaning theyíll set a date by which the season must be fully completed, probable deadline being 30 June 2020 as thatís when contracts expire and the traditional change over of one season to another occurs. Vote 1.
If this deadline is missed theyíll null/void the league (but may still hand Liverpool the title as their lead is just so large.) Vote 2.
Finally theyíll need to decide whether theyíll be prepared to expand the league and promote teams from the EFL based on current standings. Vote 3.
Whether we agree or not this is how I think it will end up working out.
Leeds, Albion and Uncle Tom Cobley can scream shout and threaten to sue all they like, the PL clubs are the only decision makers here as each equally having shares in the league only transferable on relegation. Whichever way the vote goes thatís basically the end of it.
Yes, this is how I see it.
Taking the season beyond June 30th is fraught with the sort of complexity that the Premier League would want avoid - contracts expiring, trasnfer window, etc.
They're a simple bunch and would want a simple solution, and one that disadvantages the least number of people in the club.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 15, 2020, 08:00:59 AM
I don't see a way out of this which doesn't lead to the courts.

Which keeps pointing to Null and Void or complete the season.
If the latter is deemed unworkable then the Null and void option provides the least actionable option.
The Rules state how relegation Europe promotion is decided, if clubs canít comply  then there is not much the clubs can do about it.
There will have to be a settlement of the Broadcasting contracts which will not be simple.
Oliver Holt is a twat.

What the premier league do is down to the decision of the premier league and nobody else. I imagine the agenda points on Thursday will include a) do we cancel the season (14/20 votes needed) b) do we crown Liverpool as champions (14/20) and c) do we relegate 3 clubs (14/20). Bitters and Leeds have zero say. European qualification will be a decision by UEFA based on coefficients if their competition goes ahead.

A similar meeting at the EFL will decide what they do but they donít have the power to send teams up to the Premier League.  A similar meeting at the FA will decide the fate of the FA Cup etc etc
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 15, 2020, 08:45:00 AM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 15, 2020, 08:52:29 AM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?

I guess one of the issues with pure self interest is the potential for lawsuits from the 3 in the bottom spots as they stand.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 15, 2020, 08:57:38 AM
On a slightly different note, with Matt Hancock saying self isolation for over 70's coming in within weeks what do Crystal Palace do without a manager?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 15, 2020, 08:59:51 AM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?
And those votes would obviously be wiped out by us, Norwich & Watford. It would be massively unfair on us especially due to our game in hand. The top 11 would have no vested interest in creating such legal minefield for everyone involved. We could just as easily argue the validity of the clubs who gain the top 6 places. I'm pretty sure if it came to a vote they would agree to keep the current status quo. It's almost as probable that they would vote against promoting teams from the championship. There will be winners and losers but ultimately the power lies with the PL clubs. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 15, 2020, 09:05:01 AM
The league just bought themselves breathing space with the April 4 announcement, it gives them a few weeks to determine what action to take because no way is this Pandemic going to be over in a few weeks or even months, in that time a lot of clubs will be struggling to stay solvent. The worse thing the league could do is to let the uncertainty drag on, that will only lead to more difficulty.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 15, 2020, 09:09:18 AM
The league just bought themselves breathing space with the April 4 announcement, it gives them a few weeks to determine what action to take because no way is this Pandemic going to be over in a few weeks or even months, in that time a lot of clubs will be struggling to stay solvent. The worse thing the league could do is to let the uncertainty drag on, that will only lead to more difficulty.

Exactly. Itís in their best interests to make a quick, strong decision and look to compensate clubs in this situation.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 15, 2020, 09:15:56 AM
A pure cynical viewpoint here, buts what are the chances of a senior Villa, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth, Norwich or Watford official or a player saying they are Ďself isolating as a precautionary measureí closer to the April 4th resumption to force a further delay?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Towser on March 15, 2020, 09:16:39 AM
Just been on the ticket website and they have our next match as against Chelsea on 1st June 2020, although underneath it states T.B.C
(https://i.ibb.co/b2bhfs7/325-E0-EEE-333-A-4038-88-F6-0-E1-F66-DADAD2.jpg) (https://ibb.co/b2bhfs7)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 15, 2020, 09:56:12 AM
A pure cynical viewpoint here, buts what are the chances of a senior Villa, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth, Norwich or Watford official or a player saying they are Ďself isolating as a precautionary measureí closer to the April 4th resumption to force a further delay?

I think itís highly unlikely that there wonít be plenty of footballers and managers in isolation at this point anyway
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 11:40:38 AM
The league just bought themselves breathing space with the April 4 announcement, it gives them a few weeks to determine what action to take because no way is this Pandemic going to be over in a few weeks or even months, in that time a lot of clubs will be struggling to stay solvent. The worse thing the league could do is to let the uncertainty drag on, that will only lead to more difficulty.

No - They have to give 21 days notice that an extraordinary general meeting is going to take place.  However, they will all be talking as we speak regarding possibilities/options
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 11:48:49 AM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?

There is a chance but why would they do that?  They probably have a better relationship with the bottom 3 than they do with the EFL clubs.

Hopefully, the only vote will be whether 2 teams come up, making it a 22 team league.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: charlatan on March 15, 2020, 12:18:20 PM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.

Of course, but was specifically discussing the impact on football.

The impact is the same everywhere.  There is nothing anyone can do.

Neither of the leagues (PL/EFL) can make a decision until all members have had 21 days notice (of a general meeting) - That is why there has been a 3 week suspension.

In 3 weeks time, we're going to be in a lot worse position than we are today.  The season will be officially cancelled at the general meeting of 3 April.

Agree with all of that, but not sure if season will be cancelled on April 3rd or postponed another month and a decision made then.

Surely any decision should not be made until it is clear when football can resume? If resuming in say September, voiding this season makes sense. OTOH if not resuming until next spring it would make more sense to complete the current season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 15, 2020, 12:28:11 PM
If you think the EFL clubs have it bad, watch some of the airlines start dropping like flies over the coming months.  Same with pubs and restaurants.

Of course, but was specifically discussing the impact on football.

The impact is the same everywhere.  There is nothing anyone can do.

Neither of the leagues (PL/EFL) can make a decision until all members have had 21 days notice (of a general meeting) - That is why there has been a 3 week suspension.

In 3 weeks time, we're going to be in a lot worse position than we are today.  The season will be officially cancelled at the general meeting of 3 April.

Agree with all of that, but not sure if season will be cancelled on April 3rd or postponed another month and a decision made then.

Surely any decision should not be made until it is clear when football can resume? If resuming in say September, voiding this season makes sense. OTOH if not resuming until next spring it would make more sense to complete the current season.

I think it very likely that next season will be impacted but there are further cans of worms by suspending it further than May - Contracts will expire and loan deals also.

It would also be impossible to predict the situation in 12 months time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 15, 2020, 12:55:20 PM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?
And those votes would obviously be wiped out by us, Norwich & Watford. It would be massively unfair on us especially due to our game in hand. The top 11 would have no vested interest in creating such legal minefield for everyone involved. We could just as easily argue the validity of the clubs who gain the top 6 places. I'm pretty sure if it came to a vote they would agree to keep the current status quo. It's almost as probable that they would vote against promoting teams from the championship. There will be winners and losers but ultimately the power lies with the PL clubs.
Was just thinking, what interest would Man Utd, Wolves or Sheffield United in keeping the table as it is? They've all reasonably good chances of getting in to the Fairs Cup/Champions Cup, but won't as things stand. The 3 clubs in relegation positions won't vote for it, and neither would Watford since we've got a game in hand over them and, depending on how it was dealt with, that could see then relegated.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 15, 2020, 01:09:26 PM
In the final analysis the clubs will do what they always do: vote in their own individual vested interest.  The only collectivism may come when considering what to do with promotion. Leeds and - to an extent - Albion would bring something to the Premier League party. If the top two in the Championship were currently, say, Brentford and Millwall, I doubt they'd be much talk of a 22 club top division. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: lennythekad on March 15, 2020, 01:10:04 PM
Fairs Cup!. Blast from the past there, algy
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 15, 2020, 01:20:33 PM
Isnít there a chance that the clubs who arenít in relegation spots, vote to relegate the current bottom three? Particularly the likes of West Ham ( despite what Karen Brady has said), Bournemouth, Brighton etc ?
And those votes would obviously be wiped out by us, Norwich & Watford. It would be massively unfair on us especially due to our game in hand. The top 11 would have no vested interest in creating such legal minefield for everyone involved. We could just as easily argue the validity of the clubs who gain the top 6 places. I'm pretty sure if it came to a vote they would agree to keep the current status quo. It's almost as probable that they would vote against promoting teams from the championship. There will be winners and losers but ultimately the power lies with the PL clubs.
Was just thinking, what interest would Man Utd, Wolves or Sheffield United in keeping the table as it is? They've all reasonably good chances of getting in to the Fairs Cup/Champions Cup, but won't as things stand. The 3 clubs in relegation positions won't vote for it, and neither would Watford since we've got a game in hand over them and, depending on how it was dealt with, that could see then relegated.

But European qualification is not the decision of the Premier League. Certainly not this week. Like I said earlier, I think the voting amongst the 20 premier clubs will be

1. Do we void the season?
2. Do we award the title to Liverpool?
3. Do we relegate teams and allow other teams in?

I think the only outcome to avoid expensive legal action whilst keeping integrity is yes, yes and no. You could argue Liverpool could be caught but when the only team that could do it have effectively been charged with cheating this season, then I donít think theyíll be much opposition.

any parachute payments can be given to the EFL for redistribution.

There is going to be collateral damage to this and many clubs left unhappy but to relegate / promote clubs based on guesswork is completely wrong.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 15, 2020, 01:24:23 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 15, 2020, 02:14:54 PM
Of the virus If the talk is another 12-14 weeks that's June ish time when thing peak !! but no one knows

But if it's 3% of 40 million that's around 1.2 milion deaths . That would be scandalous, sickening and so sad.
 I wouldn't care about football one bit if this is what's going to happen and I think football itself will have a long break maybe for at least a  year if not longer because of the lost lives.

Please I hope vaccine can be found
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2020, 02:20:44 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544
Not what other news outlets are saying.
And, how long before the vaccine is commercially viable?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 15, 2020, 02:23:13 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544
Not what other news outlets are saying.
And, how long before the vaccine is commercially viable?
Not sure what you mean by commercially viable, if itís about profit I donít think that will come into it,if it is about production costs in scale that is economic viability.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 15, 2020, 04:01:09 PM
Of the virus If the talk is another 12-14 weeks that's June ish time when thing peak !! but no one knows

But if it's 3% of 40 million that's around 1.2 milion deaths . That would be scandalous, sickening and so sad.
 I wouldn't care about football one bit if this is what's going to happen and I think football itself will have a long break maybe for at least a  year if not longer because of the lost lives.

Please I hope vaccine can be found
FFS.
Get a grip.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2020, 04:39:17 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544
Not what other news outlets are saying.
And, how long before the vaccine is commercially viable?
Not sure what you mean by commercially viable, if itís about profit I donít think that will come into it,if it is about production costs in scale that is economic viability.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant: how long before producers are able to produce the vaccine in the apporpriate quantities to make a real difference.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 15, 2020, 04:50:46 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544

Iím unable to form a view on the veracity of this claim until Iíve seen the scientists shoes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 15, 2020, 04:58:12 PM
We're totally, completely fucked.
https://twitter.com/Dr_TonyXia/status/1239170274123116544
Not what other news outlets are saying.
And, how long before the vaccine is commercially viable?
Not sure what you mean by commercially viable, if itís about profit I donít think that will come into it,if it is about production costs in scale that is economic viability.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant: how long before producers are able to produce the vaccine in the apporpriate quantities to make a real difference.

Plus how long to go through trials with animals and humans...end of this year perhaps
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 15, 2020, 05:04:09 PM
They could shorten the animals testing period by inviting Small Heath to participate in the trials.  Many of them, okay some of them, are very close to homo sapiens.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 15, 2020, 05:53:28 PM
Of the virus If the talk is another 12-14 weeks that's June ish time when thing peak !! but no one knows

But if it's 3% of 40 million that's around 1.2 milion deaths . That would be scandalous, sickening and so sad.
 I wouldn't care about football one bit if this is what's going to happen and I think football itself will have a long break maybe for at least a  year if not longer because of the lost lives.

Please I hope vaccine can be found
FFS.
Get a grip.
It's too soon to be making estimates so in that respect I get your sentiment .
Though I find it alarming the 2% - 3% mortality rate especially if cases are rising in UK- like they have in every other country.
I don't want to be alarmist most want the possibility of recovery soon and things back to a regular way though it looks more like a long way off and football like it not will be on back burner.
Just how I currently seeing things .
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 15, 2020, 05:54:42 PM
How come tamiflu was issued so quickly during last flu epidemic?
Was it already available/viable as a recognised vaccine during that outbreak ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Richard E on March 15, 2020, 06:00:51 PM
Our trip to Wembley feels like it took place a million years ago on another planet all of a sudden.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chris Smith on March 15, 2020, 06:09:01 PM
How come tamiflu was issued so quickly during last flu epidemic?
Was it already available/viable as a recognised vaccine during that outbreak ?

The flu vaccine just requires tweaking each year to match the particular strain rather than starting from scratch and the production lines and distribution networks are primed and in place. There is also a defined strategy to prioritise at risk groups and health workers.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 15, 2020, 06:10:21 PM
We're at a 2.5% mortality rate in UK.
Have you seen how high Italy is ?!
I can't see European football coming back .
I really don't know how can look at getting any football back on
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 15, 2020, 06:15:09 PM
We're at 2.5%of reported cases. Very worrying nonetheless for the at risk age cohort and those with heart issues/cancer/diabetes/blood pressure issues.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 15, 2020, 06:16:25 PM
I think Wayne Rooney is having it right saying it how it is for many footballers who are just humans.
Stating that they are Guinea pigs.
Even if playing behind doors many won't have right mindset and no need for exposure.
The sooner they close things down for a long period of time the less unsettled people will be.
I don't think footballers will want to play behind closed doors or otherwise if still outbreak.
It's really all a case of accepting the out break and making a safe decision to void it all.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 15, 2020, 06:16:51 PM
Seeing headlines like ďthe season must be finishedĒ on the Sunday Supplement shows the nativity/stupidity thatís still around. Thereís no ďmustĒ about it, itís so far down on the list of things to worry about itís virtually meaningless. A good portion of the world is in the grips of a crisis, why is it so important if Liverpool win the fucking Premier League.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 15, 2020, 07:01:45 PM
I assume he means it could be ready for human trial by April. Long way between proving it and scaling it for global mass production. It just means that there will be a vaccine to prevent another bout happening again next winter.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 15, 2020, 07:12:48 PM
Quote
The Italian Football Federation has called for the postponement of Euro 2020 to give time to complete the Serie A season, which has been suspended because of coronavirus.

Federation president Gabriele Gravina says the idea will be put to Uefa at an emergency meeting on Tuesday.

Serie A was suspended last Tuesday, with Italy the European country worst affected by the virus.

"We will propose that Uefa postpone the European Championship," Gravina said.

Speaking to television channel Sportmediaset, the Italian added: "We will try to get to the end of this championship [Serie A] because it is fairer and more correct after the many investments and sacrifices of our clubs."

Uefa has invited representatives of its 55 member associations to Tuesday's video conference meeting, with Euro 2020 due to take place from 12 June-12 July at venues across Europe.

The boards of the European Club Association and the European Leagues, and a representative of world players' union Fifpro have also been invited and discussions will cover all domestic and European competitions, including the possible postponement of Euro 2020 by one year.

The Italian Football Federation had previously said the Serie A season may not be completed and offered alternatives including play-offs, not having a champion for 2019-20 or declaring the current standings final.

Gravina now hopes the league could finish by 30 June, one month later than scheduled, but admitted it could be extended for another month and suggested clubs should not train at the moment.

"If the league were to resume at the beginning of May, I would leave the question of training for the moment," he said.

"Let's leave the boys at home, they have to recover physical and mental energy."

On Sunday, Italy reported 368 more coronavirus deaths, a new one-day record in the country.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 15, 2020, 08:22:51 PM
Italy has the most people live case of
the virus going on in the world .not just Europe.
How on earth thinks league is getting done beats me only due to the sheer scale of what's happening now on a daily and rapid basis.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Legion on March 15, 2020, 09:04:28 PM
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:14:11 PM
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated

 
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated

If Carling made laboratory diseases...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 15, 2020, 09:15:54 PM
What do you mean if?!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 15, 2020, 09:16:02 PM
Carlsberg even! Same pissy drink.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on March 15, 2020, 10:34:22 PM
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated

Not to detract from the gravity of the current situation this seems to good to be true to me. I just have this feeling that the final outcome won't be the one we all want!

We never do things the easy way and something tells me that if we do stay up we will have to earn it by finishing the season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john2710 on March 15, 2020, 10:53:45 PM
I said to my son before Wembley it would be the last time we'd see them play live in a while. It seems a long time ago now. But I can't see there's any way we'll see football again before August.

There's going to be a lot of sadness over the next few months & we're all going to need the return of football to bring something resembling normality.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 15, 2020, 11:21:09 PM
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated

Not to detract from the gravity of the current situation this seems to good to be true to me. I just have this feeling that the final outcome won't be the one we all want!

We never do things the easy way and something tells me that if we do stay up we will have to earn it by finishing the season.

Just can't see a logistical way to finish the season at this point.  Not saying it because of our predicament (well maybe I am!!), but the most logical action I can see at this point is to completely void the competitions that have not been completed (or even the ones that have) and start again next season.  There would be issues about European competition qualification I suppose, but could you just have the group stages from this season to avoid those early qualification games.  The amount of whinging from Liverpool and their mates in the media would be overwhelming, so I can see some sort of fudge that will allow them to be awarded the title. 

Move Euro 2021 to next year which should be OK given the World Cup is in December 2022 and start the qualifiers as planned from September.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 16, 2020, 02:21:59 AM
Pepe Reina :
Speaking to Marca, the 37-year-old has slammed the English authorities for how they have handled the situation: "In England, they told us to be prudent and try to stay at home as much as possible, but we've just got the weekend off and have been called in to train on Monday.

"Only those clubs who had positive tests, like Chelsea or Arsenal, are in quarantine, but we are training as normal. It would be madness to continue playing, as we all have to take this situation seriously.

"The other countries have already made radical decisions and we have to do the same. England cannot just close their eyes and look the other way. Life and health are more important than football."
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tony scott on March 16, 2020, 06:12:35 AM
Here in Oz this morning, the Premier of NSW mentioned at least 6 months before we may get back to normal.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 16, 2020, 06:48:51 AM
Seeing headlines like ďthe season must be finishedĒ on the Sunday Supplement shows the nativity/stupidity thatís still around. Thereís no ďmustĒ about it, itís so far down on the list of things to worry about itís virtually meaningless. A good portion of the world is in the grips of a crisis, why is it so important if Liverpool win the fucking Premier League.
Aha the British spirit to finish whatís been started. Absolutely stupid. Itís only a game of football that a few people turn up to watch FFS.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 16, 2020, 06:56:57 AM
Ditto horse racing.  I would like to be a fly on the wall if anybody in the Cabinet dares to suggest that the Grand National does not go ahead.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 16, 2020, 08:10:06 AM
Here's Conn's view (http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/15/questions-but-few-answers-coronavirus-premeir-league-football-shutdown) from the Grauniad this mornng.
It supports most of the last few posts above: Redscouse to win title; no relegations; Dirty Leeds and Bitters to gain promotion into an expanded league. Quite when they expect the new season would start is less clear.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: KRS on March 16, 2020, 10:42:17 AM
Both Stephen Warnock and Peter Ridsdale on SSN insistent that the leagues MUST be finished regardless of the date football can start again. I disagree.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 16, 2020, 10:44:14 AM
Here in Oz this morning, the Premier of NSW mentioned at least 6 months before we may get back to normal.

Hey hope everything is alright over there for you.
So I heard the Australian soccer will continue
 
"Football Federation Australia (FFA) today confirmed that the remainder of the Hyundai A-League 2019/20 regular season, and the Westfield W-League 2020 Grand Final scheduled for this weekend will go ahead, but with all matches to be played behind closed doors and with no fans permitted to attend. This policy will apply for the remaining six rounds of the Hyundai A-League 2019/20 regular season and will be reviewed for the Hyundai A-League 2020 Finals Series."

Is that still the case ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 16, 2020, 11:10:49 AM
Both Stephen Warnock and Peter Ridsdale on SSN insistent that the leagues MUST be finished regardless of the date football can start again. I disagree.

Well thatís ridiculous isnít it. Anything that crosses into July means it has to be voided.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 16, 2020, 11:19:21 AM
Pepe Reina :
Speaking to Marca, the 37-year-old has slammed the English authorities for how they have handled the situation: "In England, they told us to be prudent and try to stay at home as much as possible, but we've just got the weekend off and have been called in to train on Monday.

"Only those clubs who had positive tests, like Chelsea or Arsenal, are in quarantine, but we are training as normal. It would be madness to continue playing, as we all have to take this situation seriously.

"The other countries have already made radical decisions and we have to do the same. England cannot just close their eyes and look the other way. Life and health are more important than football."
The amount of people who don't undertsand the UK strategy is ridiculous.  Whether the strategy is right or wrong is a moot point which won't be certain of until we look back on it next year.  But what is very clear is that the communication of the strategy has been terrible.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Breezeblock on March 16, 2020, 11:31:57 AM
Recent reports suggest that if the Coronavirus precautions go through into May and June it will be ďinevitableĒ that the current football season is cancelled.

This means as it currently stands that:
- Liverpool wonít win the league
- West Brom wonít get promoted
- Leeds wonít get promoted
- Villa wonít get relegated
Scousers, noses and boggies in complete and irretrievable meltdown.  I would laugh so much my bollocks would fall off - presuming Corona virus had not made 'em fall off beforehand!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 16, 2020, 11:32:52 AM
Here's Conn's view (http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/15/questions-but-few-answers-coronavirus-premeir-league-football-shutdown) from the Grauniad this mornng.
It supports most of the last few posts above: Redscouse to win title; no relegations; Dirty Leeds and Bitters to gain promotion into an expanded league. Quite when they expect the new season would start is less clear.

One compromise might be to roll everybody's points over into a new season. Not as good as just declaring this season null and void but could be a solution too.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 16, 2020, 11:36:12 AM
Here's Conn's view (http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/15/questions-but-few-answers-coronavirus-premeir-league-football-shutdown) from the Grauniad this mornng.
It supports most of the last few posts above: Redscouse to win title; no relegations; Dirty Leeds and Bitters to gain promotion into an expanded league. Quite when they expect the new season would start is less clear.

One compromise might be to roll everybody's points over into a new season. Not as good as just declaring this season null and void but could be a solution too.

What about our game in hand?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 16, 2020, 11:40:03 AM
Pepe Reina :
Speaking to Marca, the 37-year-old has slammed the English authorities for how they have handled the situation: "In England, they told us to be prudent and try to stay at home as much as possible, but we've just got the weekend off and have been called in to train on Monday.

"Only those clubs who had positive tests, like Chelsea or Arsenal, are in quarantine, but we are training as normal. It would be madness to continue playing, as we all have to take this situation seriously.

"The other countries have already made radical decisions and we have to do the same. England cannot just close their eyes and look the other way. Life and health are more important than football."
The amount of people who don't undertsand the UK strategy is ridiculous.  Whether the strategy is right or wrong is a moot point which won't be certain of until we look back on it next year.  But what is very clear is that the communication of the strategy has been terrible.
What also seems clear from reading this is that group training is going ahead at Aston villa ?!
I could imagine some may choose to stay away as well as Drinkwater being told to go away
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 16, 2020, 12:24:34 PM
It would seem to me strategically our best approach would be for all the players to get infected asap so they can get it over and done with and be as fit as possible if the season is restarted.  They players of course may see things a bit differently!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 16, 2020, 01:12:44 PM
Here's Conn's view (http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/15/questions-but-few-answers-coronavirus-premeir-league-football-shutdown) from the Grauniad this mornng.
It supports most of the last few posts above: Redscouse to win title; no relegations; Dirty Leeds and Bitters to gain promotion into an expanded league. Quite when they expect the new season would start is less clear.

One compromise might be to roll everybody's points over into a new season. Not as good as just declaring this season null and void but could be a solution too.

What about our game in hand?

Could play it in place of a pre-season friendly.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on March 16, 2020, 01:29:48 PM
Dragging the season out into the summer - and I don't imagine this crisis will be anywhere near over by summertime -  after players' contracts may have expired, playing extra games next season, having 2 extra teams in the league and then relegating 5 teams next season, that all makes more sense than scrapping the leagues this season, drawing a line under everything and then starting afresh next season?  Just so that Liverpool can win a fockin' pot?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: purpletrousers on March 16, 2020, 01:43:01 PM
Here's Conn's view (http://https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/15/questions-but-few-answers-coronavirus-premeir-league-football-shutdown) from the Grauniad this mornng.
It supports most of the last few posts above: Redscouse to win title; no relegations; Dirty Leeds and Bitters to gain promotion into an expanded league. Quite when they expect the new season would start is less clear.

One compromise might be to roll everybody's points over into a new season. Not as good as just declaring this season null and void but could be a solution too.

Seems a reasonable balance with allowing West Brom & Leeds to come up. If they are worth their salt Iím sure theyíll soon catch up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Towser on March 16, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
Just see this https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/10-facts-about-football-in-the-second-world-war interesting photo on number 4
(https://i.ibb.co/dPCVsVn/default.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dPCVsVn)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 16, 2020, 04:16:10 PM
Boris Johnson to hold daily coronavirus press briefings and the one scheduled today is around 445pm. This will be on radio, online and TV news stations.
It was to be 3pm
I just thought update here.
Best wishes all.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 16, 2020, 05:23:39 PM
My thoughts are (forgive me if already mentioned)

Freeze the season now where are. Start next season in exact same place and play a full season as well as games outstanding - these could be managed in by suspending league cup for one season.

Only players who fall out of contract at end of this season can be traded.

Seems fairest way but could men 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' wins next season with 180 points but if we are still relegated  after 1.4 of  season then we would deserve it as would anyone in the same position.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 16, 2020, 05:40:05 PM
listening to the press conference this afternoon, football isn't going to resume any time soon. Void the season now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: CT on March 16, 2020, 05:48:33 PM
It was interesting to hear the journos on a programme on SKY.

All convinced the season would have to be finished, and under no circumstances should be voided.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 16, 2020, 06:18:02 PM
Everyone has an opinion and I imagine in an ideal world (non Villa in relegation place comment) the PL season would come to a natural conclusion. But this thing is escalating quickly and no sports governing body around the world let alone England will want to be the one to get going again and put lives at risk setting everything back months. So they will all default to taking their lead from WHO and health authorities and err very much on the side of caution throughout all of this. This will be tied to accurate test data on cases and how quickly people respect and respond to the situation.

There is no real evidence that here in Canada and much more so in the US that enough people truly give a shit to self quarantine or be open to mandatory measures. I imagine it's much the same back home. And if that remains the case then this thing will go on longer and longer.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 16, 2020, 06:59:11 PM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 16, 2020, 07:03:26 PM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.



Yes, as much as football, and Villa, is a massive part of my life who cares now after todays statement. A lot of peoples lives will change forever now, whether it be health or financial. Imagine how many pubs will close for good now. Struggling at the best of times and now Boris has shithoused them by not enforcing closure so they can't claim any compensation. Disgusting.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 16, 2020, 07:07:50 PM
Sorry for being thick but what is the compensation?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 16, 2020, 07:13:12 PM
Sorry for being thick but what is the compensation?

If the government closes the business (pub) down they could likely apply for some compensation from them. As it stands they are not saying to close but have 'advised' people not to go to pubs so they'll be empty and many will go to the wall.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 16, 2020, 07:20:32 PM
Surely if a Government advises people not to spend their money somewhere, and the venue loses money as a result, they would have grounds for compensation?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 16, 2020, 07:24:11 PM
Sorry for being thick but what is the compensation?

If the government closes the business (pub) down they could likely apply for some compensation from them. As it stands they are not saying to close but have 'advised' people not to go to pubs so they'll be empty and many will go to the wall.
Ok, so there is no compensation scheme yet. I can understand that if they start the demand for compensation which without doubt will come, then itís going to get pretty difficult pretty quickly as everyone is going to look for a bail out.
At some point they are going to have to come up with schemes to deal with all types of businesses and also trying to work out how to finance this.
I do get why the Government is trying to buy time. I was pretty impressed with the Advisors at the Press conference today. Johnson did a good job of not committing to anything.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 16, 2020, 07:34:24 PM
Gabby has just posted on Instagram he has Covid-19
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: villabear on March 16, 2020, 07:47:05 PM
Top press conference quote for Trump just

Trump ďit seems to me we do a really good job, weíll not only hold the death down to a level that is er much lower than the other way had we not done a good jobĒ
Cue sycophantic nods behind him 🙄
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 08:12:49 PM
Domestic season has to be over, to restart the season, the confusion that would spread throughout the population would be enormous, the European Championships will follow and the Olympics after that, even though the Olympics are based in the far east and that area may well be past its peak, there is no way they can risk a 2nd wave and allow a mass movement of people across the planet in support of there country and in any case, all that is minor detail, the fact is every country around the planet is going to be focused on fighting this terrible plague, it will be all consuming unfortunately.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdward on March 16, 2020, 08:37:25 PM
Let all 20 PL clubs vote whether they think Liverpool should be given the title, i think most would agree they have deserved it.
Then let them vote on whether the current 3 clubs should be relegated, they wont agree, so no relegation, and Liverpool get to be champions, albeit by default, but we all know they are really.
Fuck West brom and Leeds, they are not in the PL so don't get a vote.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: charlatan on March 16, 2020, 08:43:26 PM
It would seem to me strategically our best approach would be for all the players to get infected asap so they can get it over and done with and be as fit as possible if the season is restarted.  They players of course may see things a bit differently!

Cue the discovery that even those who have a mild case are unable to maintain as high a level of fitness afterwards for some obscure reason
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: spangley1812 on March 16, 2020, 08:45:22 PM
Grand National cancelled

The point about cancelling the season is that SKY/BT would then sue the clubs for several millions of pounds for failing to fulfil a contract
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Newby on March 16, 2020, 08:46:28 PM
With a quarter of the season still to go, why the hell should anyone think they have a done deal. Leeds have imploded before, Liverpool have lost their last four games, albeit three in the cups.  Man Utd are in very good form and would moan unfairness that they would have caught not only Chelsea, but Leicester too.  Villa's game in hand is key too.  The season has to be finished.  Scrap next season if must, as that cannot be debated as no games have been played. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: spangley1812 on March 16, 2020, 08:50:24 PM
The season has to be finished
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 16, 2020, 08:53:42 PM
Let all 20 PL clubs vote whether they think Liverpool should be given the title, i think most would agree they have deserved it.
Then let them vote on whether the current 3 clubs should be relegated, they wont agree, so no relegation, and Liverpool get to be champions, albeit by default, but we all know they are really.
Fuck West brom and Leeds, they are not in the PL so don't get a vote.



I said this a few pages ago and it has to be the only solution.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 08:56:55 PM
Top press conference quote for Trump just

Trump ďit seems to me we do a really good job, weíll not only hold the death down to a level that is er much lower than the other way had we not done a good jobĒ
Cue sycophantic nods behind him 🙄

Death, wow, he does say some things, the other day he said he hadn't touched his face in weeks, with reference to spreading the virus, so who the hell has the job of putting all that orange stuff all over his face, he'd want serious money for that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 16, 2020, 09:05:00 PM
Grand National cancelled

The point about cancelling the season is that SKY/BT would then sue the clubs for several millions of pounds for failing to fulfil a contract

Do you not reckon the PL and its legal bods would have included some force majeure provision in anything they put pen to?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 09:11:51 PM
Grand National cancelled

The point about cancelling the season is that SKY/BT would then sue the clubs for several millions of pounds for failing to fulfil a contract

Do you not reckon the PL and its legal bods would have included some force majeure provision in anything they put pen to?

Also we're talking casualties, many thousands, Sky and BT wouldn't go anywhere near this, think about it, even the BBC suspended the TV licence charge for over 75's today until at least August, you don't dare cause yourself that kind of commercial damage by doing stuff like that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Edge on March 16, 2020, 09:14:51 PM
My thoughts are (forgive me if already mentioned)

Freeze the season now where are. Start next season in exact same place and play a full season as well as games outstanding - these could be managed in by suspending league cup for one season.

Only players who fall out of contract at end of this season can be traded.

Seems fairest way but could men 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' wins next season with 180 points but if we are still relegated  after 1.4 of  season then we would deserve it as would anyone in the same position.
It wouldn't be 1.4 seasons. It would be points accumulated over over 2 full seasons. It's the sensible option in my view. It may mean abandoning both domestic cups though. Alternatively shorten the 20/21 season to maybe 30 games (or 31 in cases like ours) and all clubs start the season on the points tally they accumulated this season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 16, 2020, 09:16:00 PM
Grand National cancelled

The point about cancelling the season is that SKY/BT would then sue the clubs for several millions of pounds for failing to fulfil a contract

Do you not reckon the PL and its legal bods would have included some force majeure provision in anything they put pen to?

Also we're talking casualties, many thousands, Sky and BT wouldn't go anywhere near this, think about it, even the BBC suspended the TV licence charge for over 75's today until at least August, you don't dare cause yourself that kind of commercial damage by doing stuff like that.

Correct. If the only reason not to cancel a season is due to the threat of TV companies suing, then this would soon be rebuffed. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 16, 2020, 09:19:16 PM
Iím also thinking that maybe UEFA look to finish this seasons European competitions when they can but not have one next season. This would eliminate the claims as to who would have qualified for it etc. No relegation, no promotion or no European qualifying in any league. Discretion if a champion is awarded.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Billy Walker on March 16, 2020, 09:19:47 PM
With a quarter of the season still to go, why the hell should anyone think they have a done deal. Leeds have imploded before, Liverpool have lost their last four games, albeit three in the cups.  Man Utd are in very good form and would moan unfairness that they would have caught not only Chelsea, but Leicester too.  Villa's game in hand is key too.  The season has to be finished.  Scrap next season if must, as that cannot be debated as no games have been played. 

The problem with attempting to finish the season is that the integrity of the present season has been compromised meaning the final ten games cannot be played within the same parameters as the first twenty-eight.  Empty stadia would mean home advantage is lost, for example.  Likewise, clusters of players and management could be unavailable/available from week to week due to illness/self-isolation, totally skewing results.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 09:35:27 PM
One possible solution is to stop the season as it stands, no more games, Liverpool crowned Champions, the remaining qualification places for next season's competitions is as stands, relegation and promotion places are solved by expanding each division for one season, so Leeds, West Brom are promoted, giving the Premiership 22 teams, so end of next season normality is recreated by more teams being relegated, so 3 come up and 5 go down, so on throughout the leagues.

That way the season is actually fulfilled, everybody knows where they stand and everybody knows what they have to do to survive or get promoted end of next season, the third place play-offs can't go ahead because it would involve to many extra games and to many teams completing this mini competition this season, so lets say, season ends right now Leeds and WBA have earned the right of automatic promotion because they hold the automatic promotion places, the rest is pure conjecture, so on and so forth throughout the rest of the leagues. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 16, 2020, 09:36:39 PM
I'm sick of reading that 'we must finish the season'. Those people really need to have a reality check.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 16, 2020, 09:46:20 PM
Agree. Itís utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 09:52:20 PM
Agree. Itís utterly irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I've been saying this for a couple of weeks now, you can see the enormity of this is going to overtake everybody, its going to reshape everything we do and all our lives, nothing will be the same, the other thing to consider is the state of the world economy after 18 months of this, it will be on the floor, some of the planets biggest companies will fail in the coming months, banks will collapse this will make 2008 seem like a poor mans rehearsal for the real thing, the other thing that few people talk about but has been mentioned is the awful after effects this virus potentially leaves people with, breathing difficulties much earlier in life than would have been expected, all kinds of problems. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 16, 2020, 09:57:59 PM
I think you need to slow down and unplug yourself from wildly speculating. You appear to be terrifying yourself and you may end up needlessly terrifying somebody else.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 16, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
I think you need to slow down and unplug yourself from wildly speculating. You appear to be terrifying yourself and you may end up needlessly terrifying somebody else.

Thanks for the advice.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 16, 2020, 10:12:38 PM
We might finish the season  in terms of playing the remaining games , will it be this year though ...not so sure.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 16, 2020, 10:46:13 PM
I think you need to slow down and unplug yourself from wildly speculating. You appear to be terrifying yourself and you may end up needlessly terrifying somebody else.
This is good advice generally. With 24hr news and social media, it's easy for this stuff to become overwhelming. Overly worrying about it will do more harm than good.

Not to underplay the seriousness of the situation, of course. But stressing about it can eat you up for no real benefit. It's maybe better, and will put your mind at rest (and others) to offer to get shopping, prescriptions, etc to vulnerable people local to you. Even if they don't take you up on the offer, knowing there's someone there who cares can make all the difference
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 16, 2020, 11:14:30 PM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.

100% agree .
If there is any way I can change the title I shall as not go cause any undue offense or insensitivity.
I personally find the situation unsettling and upsetting and I don't want to add to any one else concerning issue.
Best wishes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 16, 2020, 11:16:10 PM
Won't "overly worrying" do more good than harm... if it keeps people from making unnecessary journeys and contracting/spreading the virus?

Lots of people seem to think the media are making too much of a big deal out of this, but I feel like casualties would have been far greater if they were playing it down.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 17, 2020, 12:04:14 AM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.

100% agree .
If there is any way I can change the title I shall as not go cause any undue offense or insensitivity.
I personally find the situation unsettling and upsetting and I don't want to add to any one else concerning issue.
Best wishes.

You havenít done anything wrong. I find it amazing how quickly things have escalated.  You only have to retrace the comments on this thread to see this.

I posted on Thursday that I wasnít going to go to the game.  At that time, I was in a minority.    How rapidly things progressed over the next 48 hours is testament to how quickly this has crept up on us.

I have been a little more conscious because my wife is vulnerable to the virus and it would probably kill her.  In hindsight, I shouldnít have gone to Leicester and it was selfish of me to have done so.

However, I see no problem with discussing how it will affect our team.  It falls under the current affairs category and I personally enjoy reading everyoneís thoughts about the situation.  I am desperate for the season to be voided but Iím also aware that a lot of unhappiness is just around the corner.  The club will go on and I see no harm in discussing how the virus affects us. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brentastonb6 on March 17, 2020, 12:24:47 AM
Thereís so many permutations and combinations to what may or may not happen. One being if the season is extended what happens to players who are out of contract? Are we going to be allowed to replace them with new signings in a new transfer window to help us in a relegation battle ? Apart from Liverpool being awarded the title just about every other position in the premier league is debatable. I Donít think Fulham would agree to Albion or Leeds being promoted automatically from the Championship  either with just a six point gap and Fulham still scheduled to play them both once .
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 17, 2020, 01:20:54 AM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.

100% agree .
If there is any way I can change the title I shall as not go cause any undue offense or insensitivity.
I personally find the situation unsettling and upsetting and I don't want to add to any one else concerning issue.
Best wishes.

You havenít done anything wrong. I find it amazing how quickly things have escalated.  You only have to retrace the comments on this thread to see this.

I posted on Thursday that I wasnít going to go to the game.  At that time, I was in a minority.    How rapidly things progressed over the next 48 hours is testament to how quickly this has crept up on us.

I have been a little more conscious because my wife is vulnerable to the virus and it would probably kill her.  In hindsight, I shouldnít have gone to Leicester and it was selfish of me to have done so.

However, I see no problem with discussing how it will affect our team.  It falls under the current affairs category and I personally enjoy reading everyoneís thoughts about the situation.  I am desperate for the season to be voided but Iím also aware that a lot of unhappiness is just around the corner.  The club will go on and I see no harm in discussing how the virus affects us.

Yes certainly the intentions for the title is for discussion and not meant to suggest that this is merely some inconvenience to villas season and forgetting the very real bigger picture of each of life.
Best wishes to you and yours and this situation . Appreciate the feedback. And also to things you shared - I like to be sending the most respect and wellness for you at the time ! Thank you


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 17, 2020, 01:29:23 AM
Hi I just read online and if anyone has the fill article from the Times and allowed to post could they .

The talk is the "top six in Championship hold secret meeting and are 'ready to launch legal challenge' against Premier League if season is declared void

And the current top six in England's second tier - Leeds, West  Brom, Fulham, Brentford, Nottingham Forest and Preston - held a secret emergency meeting on Monday.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: olaftab on March 17, 2020, 03:24:59 AM
Championship clubs are ďinvitedĒ to join the PL. Finishing in any position in their league does not give them an automatic right. They can have as many meetings as they like. Also currently there is no group that can actually claim any rights because current top six may not be top six if the season was to be completed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 17, 2020, 06:27:23 AM
Won't "overly worrying" do more good than harm... if it keeps people from making unnecessary journeys and contracting/spreading the virus?

Lots of people seem to think the media are making too much of a big deal out of this, but I feel like casualties would have been far greater if they were playing it down.
Oh yeah, definitely. Personally I think there's a line between reasonable concern and panicking, and you have to be mindful that the news, social media etc is prone to inducing the latter. That's all.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Big Ming on March 17, 2020, 06:55:48 AM
Stolen from Ian Fleming.

A game of Snooker is about to finish. The final Black is slowly rolling true, dead centre of the pocket for a win and will drop in two seconds. The game is won. It is the Law of the Snooker Table.

Meanwhile, a couple of minutes earlier, a jet airliner suffered a catastrophic mechanical failure and began to plunge to earth.

It will destroy the Snooker Hall and everything in in in one second. This is the Law of Gravity.

What is the relevance?

It's a metaphor for what just happened to Liverpool FC.......

and an illustration of my degree of boredom with NO FOOTY.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TheMalandro on March 17, 2020, 07:11:54 AM
How much will coronavirus impact Aston Villa's season?

Over the last couple of days I've come to the conclusion - who gives a fuck.

100% agree .
If there is any way I can change the title I shall as not go cause any undue offense or insensitivity.
I personally find the situation unsettling and upsetting and I don't want to add to any one else concerning issue.
Best wishes.

You havenít done anything wrong. I find it amazing how quickly things have escalated.  You only have to retrace the comments on this thread to see this.

I posted on Thursday that I wasnít going to go to the game.  At that time, I was in a minority.    How rapidly things progressed over the next 48 hours is testament to how quickly this has crept up on us.

I have been a little more conscious because my wife is vulnerable to the virus and it would probably kill her.  In hindsight, I shouldnít have gone to Leicester and it was selfish of me to have done so.

However, I see no problem with discussing how it will affect our team.  It falls under the current affairs category and I personally enjoy reading everyoneís thoughts about the situation.  I am desperate for the season to be voided but Iím also aware that a lot of unhappiness is just around the corner.  The club will go on and I see no harm in discussing how the virus affects us. 

Certainly not trying to end the discussion.

It was my own thoughts over the last few days.

 When the Premier league postponed the league, I was delighted, it feels a little ridiculous now.


Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2020, 08:04:35 AM
Won't "overly worrying" do more good than harm... if it keeps people from making unnecessary journeys and contracting/spreading the virus?

Lots of people seem to think the media are making too much of a big deal out of this, but I feel like casualties would have been far greater if they were playing it down.

Yes quote and I keep coming back to sports people who have it saying stuff like ďit just felt like a mild coldĒ. Lucky you, shut up and donít create a perception itís not serious. Itís incredibly reckless to do that.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 17, 2020, 08:06:19 AM
Like most (I think) other Villa fans, Iíd love to see this season declared null and void. Think the scousers will have a big day in it though. They are so far ahead it is almost in touching distance. So much so, I think theyíve a strong case to be awarded the title if it is called off. What about relegations then, and promotions from the championship?

Weíd have a decent case to say, itís too close to call at the bottom and out destiny is at this point still in our hands, so it would be cruel if we were relegated on that basis. Leeds and Albion would be kicking off big time if they miss out on promotion.

And it could just be kicking the van down the road for next season. For example, if the season started up again in August with no transfer window and essentially the current season is replayed, would we fare any better? Maybe, maybe not. I think if they allowed a transfer window it would advantage the bottom clubs in the Prem at the expense of the clubs in the championship. Some might say: so what? But I donít think that would be fair. The whole thing is a massive dilemma.

The fairest thing overall would be to replay this season, but I just donít see Liverpool not being awarded it and that opens up a whole bunch of other claims about relegation and promotion that would need to be addressed. Some kind of fudge where Liverpool get awarded it and everything else stays the same is my guess.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 17, 2020, 08:12:56 AM
A few typos in my post above, but you get the gist.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: amfy on March 17, 2020, 08:19:50 AM
The Championship isnít cut and dried at all. I am pretty sure Leeds weíre going up this time last year. Both Albion and Leeds started the season like trains but both have been much more inconsistent in recent weeks.

More to the point - you let Albion and Leeds come up, and the same must apply to the lower divisions where it is much less Ďcut and driedí. In League One there are 3 points between 2nd and 8th. Teams right down to Wycombe in 8th would say one more week could have put them right there, just as much as we could argue we wouldnít have been Ďstuckí in the relegation zone.

As for the top 6 in The Championship having a meeting - letís have a quick look at Bristol City - only one point behind Preston - what would they say? .......& Tbf I can say first hand that Preston have been shockingly bad in recent weeks!

Liverpool are the only case where you can say Ďclose enoughí letís just give it to them, especially as the implications of winning or losing the title, rather than being promoted or relegated, are not as great.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: berneboy on March 17, 2020, 08:28:13 AM
A few typos in my post above, but you get the gist.
I think kicking the van down the road may leave us with sore toes ...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 17, 2020, 08:29:45 AM
The Championship isnít cut and dried at all. I am pretty sure Leeds weíre going up this time last year. Both Albion and Leeds started the season like trains but both have been much more inconsistent in recent weeks.

More to the point - you let Albion and Leeds come up, and the same must apply to the lower divisions where it is much less Ďcut and driedí. In League One there are 3 points between 2nd and 8th. Teams right down to Wycombe in 8th would say one more week could have put them right there, just as much as we could argue we wouldnít have been Ďstuckí in the relegation zone.

As for the top 6 in The Championship having a meeting - letís have a quick look at Bristol City - only one point behind Preston - what would they say? .......& Tbf I can say first hand that Preston have been shockingly bad in recent weeks!

Liverpool are the only case where you can say Ďclose enoughí letís just give it to them, especially as the implications of winning or losing the title, rather than being promoted or relegated, are not as great.
good points you make, which I hadnít really considered, but seem to be saying similar things in terms of the likely outcome?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: robbo1874 on March 17, 2020, 08:32:55 AM
A few typos in my post above, but you get the gist.
I think kicking the van down the road may leave us with sore toes ...
seen it happen in Nuneaton when Leicester came to town!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: andyh on March 17, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
Championship clubs are ďinvitedĒ to join the PL. Finishing in any position in their league does not give them an automatic right. They can have as many meetings as they like. Also currently there is no group that can actually claim any rights because current top six may not be top six if the season was to be completed.
great point
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: darren woolley on March 17, 2020, 08:59:48 AM
I just want the season to resume as soon as the Virus can be dealt with first when that is who knows people's safety is paramount.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 17, 2020, 09:05:36 AM
Down in Oz we seem to be lagging behind in new cases but I suppose we will catch up. Not sure what the toilet paper shortage is all about the Sports Argus always always served a purpose.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 17, 2020, 09:15:38 AM
Half way through a fixture if the game is no longer playable due to fog, snow or whatever the match is abandoned.  The score at that time of he abandonment is not a consideration. The game is replayed at a later date from the start. Previous score null and void. Sorry Liverpool youíll just have to suck it up.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BoVillan esq on March 17, 2020, 10:35:03 AM
Won't "overly worrying" do more good than harm... if it keeps people from making unnecessary journeys and contracting/spreading the virus?

Lots of people seem to think the media are making too much of a big deal out of this, but I feel like casualties would have been far greater if they were playing it down.

Completely agree, the very thing the government are being criticised for now is the off handed casual approach they started with, slowly slowly they are coming around to the reality of this and putting action plans together, personally I think anybody that takes laid back approach to this needs to catch themselves up, I have people in the village I live in, are adamant this is a media created crisis, one guy even linked it to us being weened of Brexit and everybody should stop scaring themselves and chill out, so believe me they are out there.

Good news: Australia who are world leaders in producing vaccines say they are right now live testing what they think is a problem solver vaccine, human trials will start in June and they reckon it should be out by next June although they are under such pressure to produce this vaccine, they are working around the clock to get it done by winter time, so its possible the answer is out there.   
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 17, 2020, 10:44:10 AM
As of 8th of March 2019, Leeds were in the top two. We were 9th.

Whoops, forgot the link (https://fussball.wettpoint.com/en/archives/tables/gamedays-2018/championship-england-36-2018-19.html)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Ads on March 17, 2020, 11:20:42 AM
I think you need to slow down and unplug yourself from wildly speculating. You appear to be terrifying yourself and you may end up needlessly terrifying somebody else.

Thanks for the advice.

Doesn't sound like you've took much notice of it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2020, 11:29:42 AM
I just want the season to resume as soon as the Virus can be dealt with first when that is who knows people's safety is paramount.

Really?

I just want this season to go away and never come back again.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Risso on March 17, 2020, 11:33:19 AM
I just want the season to resume as soon as the Virus can be dealt with first when that is who knows people's safety is paramount.

Really?

I just want this season to go away and never come back again.

Season, what season?  I don't see no season!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 17, 2020, 11:50:00 AM
I appreciate the potential seriousness of the virus.  But this is a football forum so I'm not going to make any apologies for posting on here about the Villa and my hopes for the sporting outcome of this.

It seems most commentators are insistent that the season is played out, however long that takes and whatever knock on disruption it causes.  Even Matt Kendrick etc were advocating this on their Villa podcast (and yest, they are all Villa fans)

For me, it just adds too many complications - players contracts, transfer windows etc. If all countries try this then transfer windows can't align, creating even more complexity.

Whilst admittedly my main concern is Villa, it does seem to make far more sence to take this one on the chin now and void this season to minimise knock on effects potentially for seasons to come.  The fact that is stuffs up Leeds and the Baggies is an entirely co-incidental side effect that I'l just have to learn to live with.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 17, 2020, 11:53:17 AM
the country is going to ber in lock down for months. Football is the least of anyone's worries. i was selling my house to a guy who is a finance director of an SME - he's pulled out as the company are reviewing operations. Watching people kicking a  ball around for 90 minutes is very insignificant at the moment.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2020, 11:58:04 AM
I just want the season to resume as soon as the Virus can be dealt with first when that is who knows people's safety is paramount.

Really?

I just want this season to go away and never come back again.

Indeed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Towser on March 17, 2020, 12:11:59 PM
When it first broke that football might be cancelled and the season wiped, I was glad from a Villa fan point of view. All last week my Wife kept asking me if I was still going to the Chelsea game and I said I was, she was not very happy (as was I to be honest)  and was very relieved when the decision was taken out of my hands. I still want this season to be cancelled and all results expunged and not bothered at all if it upsets Tesco and Dirty Leeds (who's to say they would have come up anyway anymore than we would have gone down?).

I do wonder though, how would we feel if say last season, we got to the play offs and this had happened and last season was cancelled and our 10 game winning run counted for nothing?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Risso on March 17, 2020, 12:14:25 PM
I honestly think that as the days and weeks go on, how they sort this season's football out is going to seem extremely trivial indeed.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: nick harper on March 17, 2020, 12:17:47 PM
If this plays out as a possible outcome, there wonít be any football until there is a vaccine. All eyes will be on Wuhan in the coming weeks. Very sobering.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51915302
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 17, 2020, 12:23:48 PM
Just had an email from the club.  Wolves tickets now on sale to ST holders.

Could be the first home game of the season not to sell out.

Hardly surprising given it probably wonít ever be played.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 17, 2020, 12:29:52 PM
Yeah, zero chance of that going ahead anytime soon.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2020, 12:41:50 PM
I honestly think that as the days and weeks go on, how they sort this season's football out is going to seem extremely trivial indeed.

I think most realise that already. Itís utterly meaningless. Just pack it in and hope weíre lucky enough to be in a position to start afresh in the medium term.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 17, 2020, 12:43:15 PM
Euro 2020 is now Euro 2021.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 17, 2020, 12:44:12 PM
just had the Wolves email - WTF?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: colin69 on March 17, 2020, 12:46:23 PM
just had the Wolves email - WTF?

Just had it too. As if anyoneís actually going to buy extra tickets.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 17, 2020, 01:01:30 PM
Thereís not a cat in hellís chance another game will be played this season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Flin5tone on March 17, 2020, 01:32:24 PM
Covid-19 is a disaster for me personally, I'm self-employed and this will hit me hard.Numerous calls all morning to sort finances out and then I get the email from Villa asking if I want to buy extra Wolves Tickets. I actually burst into laughter
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 17, 2020, 01:41:37 PM
I appreciate the potential seriousness of the virus.  But this is a football forum so I'm not going to make any apologies for posting on here about the Villa and my hopes for the sporting outcome of this.

It seems most commentators are insistent that the season is played out, however long that takes and whatever knock on disruption it causes.  Even Matt Kendrick etc were advocating this on their Villa podcast (and yest, they are all Villa fans)

For me, it just adds too many complications - players contracts, transfer windows etc. If all countries try this then transfer windows can't align, creating even more complexity.

Whilst admittedly my main concern is Villa, it does seem to make far more sence to take this one on the chin now and void this season to minimise knock on effects potentially for seasons to come.  The fact that is stuffs up Leeds and the Baggies is an entirely co-incidental side effect that I'l just have to learn to live with.
This.
I was surprised to hear a R5L dicussion last night and people saying the season has to be completed - almost at any cost.
I think that - frankly - is naive.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: phantom limb on March 17, 2020, 01:57:53 PM
Yes, it is of paramount importance that the season finishes at all costs. Maybe Tina Turner can oversee the remaining games in the Thunderdome.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: john e on March 17, 2020, 02:08:18 PM
just grabbed 2 x Lower Holte v Wolves

good views, made up
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 17, 2020, 02:10:24 PM
Be careful, I'm self-isolating in the Trinity Road Stand.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 17, 2020, 02:33:43 PM
Thereís not a cat in hellís chance another game will be played this season.

You mean they wonít finish the season? I can see the season being completed at a later date.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 17, 2020, 02:36:08 PM
I have this horrible, nagging concern that in a couple of months few people will give a monkeys about when football when start up again and under what circumstances.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villa Lew on March 17, 2020, 02:40:59 PM
Euro 2020 is now Euro 2021.
Big question is will Harry Kane be fit by then?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 17, 2020, 02:45:19 PM
Thereís not a cat in hellís chance another game will be played this season.

You mean they wonít finish the season? I can see the season being completed at a later date.

This time next year?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 17, 2020, 02:48:11 PM
Thereís not a cat in hellís chance another game will be played this season.

You mean they wonít finish the season? I can see the season being completed at a later date.


There will have to be a cut off point whereby the season is cancelled as completion will be practically impossible.  My guess would be mid to end of April.

 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 17, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
Thereís not a cat in hellís chance another game will be played this season.

You mean they wonít finish the season? I can see the season being completed at a later date.


There will have to be a cut off point whereby the season is cancelled as completion will be practically impossible.  My guess would be mid to end of April.

 

I think they will be loath to effectively cancel it so early - I appreciate the problem of contracts fitness and everything else but I just think it leaves so many potential problems leaving something unfinished. I appreciate it doesnít matter that much with respect to everything else is happening but it is thread relevant.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 17, 2020, 03:07:03 PM
Health and Safety will be the driver for everything we do from now on.  When things start to become relatively normal resuming Sporting events will be looked at but they'll be way down the pecking order.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on March 17, 2020, 03:11:52 PM
Health and Safety will be the driver for everything we do from now on.  When things start to become relatively normal resuming Sporting events will be looked at but they'll be way down the pecking order.

Not to mention once they say 'all clear' players will need about a month training to get match fit again. No way they're going to stay training day in day out at BMH for the next countless months with nothing at the end of the week to make it worthwhile
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: usav on March 17, 2020, 03:24:34 PM
Say, best case scenario everything returns to somewhat normalcy by mid/end May.   You have two choices then, screw up this season or screw up next season.  You can't have both be completed with the full 38 games without their being an issue.   Unless this is all over very quickly, I think they have to void this season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 17, 2020, 03:24:37 PM
Health and Safety will be the driver for everything we do from now on.  When things start to become relatively normal resuming Sporting events will be looked at but they'll be way down the pecking order.

Not to mention once they say 'all clear' players will need about a month training to get match fit again. No way they're going to stay training day in day out at BMH for the next countless months with nothing at the end of the week to make it worthwhile

I hope your right, makes it sound a bit flippant but ...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 17, 2020, 03:26:08 PM
In the very unlikely event that football can get back on as early as next summer, I reckon UEFA would prioritise their club competitions ahead of domestic football anyway.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Bren'd on March 17, 2020, 03:27:37 PM
Health and Safety will be the driver for everything we do from now on.  When things start to become relatively normal resuming Sporting events will be looked at but they'll be way down the pecking order.


Not to mention once they say 'all clear' players will need about a month training to get match fit again. No way they're going to stay training day in day out at BMH for the next countless months with nothing at the end of the week to make it worthwhile

I hadn't taken that into consideration.  A delay to the start of next season is now a possibility and given that Euro 2020 will now be 2021 fixtures league will be condensed to give International squads time to prepare.  Maybe all domestic cup competitions will be scrapped or will be only for those not involved in Europe.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 17, 2020, 03:39:15 PM
Scrapping the league and possibly FA cups is the simplest of any solution to relieve some fixture congestion and should be one of the first things they look at if (when) we can't start in August.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 17, 2020, 03:46:21 PM
I think the FA Cup should be finished if possible. If they cancel the League Cup they could play the remaining FA Cup rounds midweek to squeeze it in.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdward on March 17, 2020, 05:29:14 PM
This season won't be finshed, then 2020/2021 season can't start.
If they cancel this season will season ticket holders be given refunds?
When will new season tickets go on sale?
On a personal note, i am sitting top of my mini FPL league at work, should i win the prize money?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 17, 2020, 06:29:06 PM
UEFA are keen to draw under this season on June 30th. With that in mind with 10 league games to go plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and other European Competition, weíd have to realistically get going mid to late April to get everything in. Can we see that happening?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2020, 06:32:57 PM
Of course not. Unless an incredibly successful vaccine is developed Iíd be staggered if theyíve started playing by June, let alone finishing the season.

Irrespective of the outcome for Villa Iíd be ecstatic if that was the position.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 17, 2020, 06:35:09 PM
UEFA are keen to draw under this season on June 30th. With that in mind with 10 league games to go plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and other European Competition, weíd have to realistically get going mid to late April to get everything in. Can we see that happening?
Absolutely not.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OCD on March 17, 2020, 06:59:38 PM
It's supposed to be at it's peak here May-June. Absolutely no chance.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 17, 2020, 08:13:47 PM
Sports lawyer on R5L is optimistic the season can be finished by the end of June.

Whilst I think they will try and finish the league fixtures (and was thinking over the summer), the end of June deadline seems completely fanciful.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 17, 2020, 08:34:24 PM
The only way I could see it happening is if they are going against medical advice and doing something incredibly reckless. That would be a truly terrible decision and again the season/football does not fucking matter in the grand scheme of things.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 17, 2020, 08:42:25 PM
This season must be finished for the integrity of sport and the sanity of all. Even if it means we call off next season completely.....copyright Sky sport and Liverpool TV
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: The Moose on March 17, 2020, 08:47:10 PM
I thought Sky Sports was Liverpool TV?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 17, 2020, 09:09:09 PM
I'm not convinced there'll be a 2020/21 season yet. If there isn't, promotion and relegation will be quite meaningless anyway.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 17, 2020, 09:58:34 PM
Very valid point Algy
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Pete3206 on March 17, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
Sport has just got to do one for now I'm afraid.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 17, 2020, 10:23:02 PM
As UEFA seek to finish the season by the end of June then it points to if the Premier league and the players and clubs agree and feel safe to play .
The behind closed doors to do this would be the strong option as either government guidelines of mass gatherings being banned would probable be in force.
However as the situation escalates I can imagine more dilemma for football .
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 17, 2020, 10:24:25 PM
Sport has just got to do one for now I'm afraid.

Of course the big issue is that it's not just simply sport at elite level it's business. Protected interests all round.
Though the covid 19 really puts the business of sport and other things into perspective
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: WassallVillain on March 17, 2020, 10:38:40 PM
Sports lawyer on R5L is optimistic the season can be finished by the end of June.

It probably could. But that would be on the assumption that the clubs are clear of the virus at the times they want the games to resume. ItĒs not right but canning this season and starting next in September is the best option. Scrapping cups would enable new season to be completed in shorter season
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 17, 2020, 10:47:40 PM
There is an article in the Torygraph just now about the clubs and the FA focusing on finishing the season, no matter how long it takes.

It's bollocks based on prepping their stand off with Sky when they start to argue about money.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 17, 2020, 11:03:39 PM
The problem as I see it with this play behind closed doors approach is you eliminate home advantage ..so how does that make it any less fair than voiding the league ?

Other issue

If this goes on for months and we know teams are now telling players to stay at home ,match fitness has gone so won't they need a preseason of sorts to get up to speed ?

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 17, 2020, 11:40:03 PM
Sports lawyer on R5L is optimistic the season can be finished by the end of June.

It probably could. But that would be on the assumption that the clubs are clear of the virus at the times they want the games to resume. ItĒs not right but canning this season and starting next in September is the best option. Scrapping cups would enable new season to be completed in shorter season
A Sports Lawyer, oh it must be on then.
Of course they can finish the season if they want to start the next season very very late and then cancel the 2021 Euros and pretty much everything else.
The self isolation period starts this weekend so 12 weeks takes you to mid July.
Then you need players to get fit and say you start the season in August.
What happens to next season?
Not happening
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 17, 2020, 11:40:14 PM
The key point is whether this is an open ended timeline or theyíll have a set date by which the season must be concluded. If itís 30 June then that is obviously totally different to ďhowever long it takesĒ.

If the projections are correct I canít see it being completed if they say 30 June.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: McGraths Dry Cleaning on March 17, 2020, 11:41:31 PM
There is an article in the Torygraph just now about the clubs and the FA focusing on finishing the season, no matter how long it takes.

It's bollocks based on prepping their stand off with Sky when they start to argue about money.
I think the money thing is correct - if the season is voided will Sky subscribers want refunds/cancel subscriptions (if they aren't already), will Sky want money back from the clubs, if clubs have to repay Sky money will they be able to pay the salaries of players with the income shortfall etc etc.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 17, 2020, 11:44:31 PM
The key point is whether this is an open ended timeline or theyíll have a set date by which the season must be concluded. If itís 30 June then that is obviously totally different to ďhowever long it takesĒ.

If the projections are correct I canít see it being completed if they say 30 June.
The idea that they are telling 70 year olds to lock them selves up whilst they start playing football is untenable.
The only way they finish this season is not starting the next one for a very long time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Villan82 on March 17, 2020, 11:47:43 PM
The problem as I see it with this play behind closed doors approach is you eliminate home advantage ..so how does that make it any less fair than voiding the league ?

Other issue

If this goes on for months and we know teams are now telling players to stay at home ,match fitness has gone so won't they need a preseason of sorts to get up to speed ?

Absolutely, they cannot just 'carry on'. It is so unfair. It brings the game into disrepute.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: wittonwarrior on March 17, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
Unfortunately the season will be completed by hook or by crook   

No Matter what my biggest concern is sorting out my st for next season how sad
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 17, 2020, 11:58:45 PM
There is an article in the Torygraph just now about the clubs and the FA focusing on finishing the season, no matter how long it takes.

It's bollocks based on prepping their stand off with Sky when they start to argue about money.
I think the money thing is correct - if the season is voided will Sky subscribers want refunds/cancel subscriptions (if they aren't already), will Sky want money back from the clubs, if clubs have to repay Sky money will they be able to pay the salaries of players with the income shortfall etc etc.

Iím not convinced that sky pay everything up front.

I always thought the money came in stage payments, with the last one coming after the season had finished.  Itís possibly easier to resolve than it seems.

Itís not right that teams receive full payments (which obviously impacts us) so a 25% or thereabouts reduction seems fair.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 18, 2020, 12:13:22 AM
I guess a lot will depend on what's in contracts and if there's anything to cover this scenario. You're right that Sky shouldn't pay it all if the season is abandoned, but on the other hand clubs will have budgeted for the full amount. So a say 25% reduction will screw some clubs, especially someone like Bournemouth that because of the attendances will really rely on the Sky money. And FFP will need to take a backseat most likely.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2020, 12:18:03 AM
I think Sky/BT could just say make up for the money we have lost on lack of live games by having even more next season. Perhaps have every Friday/Saturday/Sunday/Monday night have a live game on, or do Amazon-style weekends/midweeks where every game is televised. I would hope they wouldn't seek to start televising Saturday 3pm games as clubs in lower leagues will be struggling enough as it is. Not just because of lost weeks but also because I think people might remain wary about being around crowds for some time, even when everyone is telling us things are "back to normal".
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 18, 2020, 12:25:25 AM
I think Sky/BT could just say make up for the money we have lost on lack of live games by having even more next season. Perhaps have every Friday/Saturday/Sunday/Monday night have a live game on, or do Amazon-style weekends/midweeks where every game is televised. I would hope they wouldn't seek to start televising Saturday 3pm games as clubs in lower leagues will be struggling enough as it is. Not just because of lost weeks but also because I think people might remain wary about being around crowds for some time, even when everyone is telling us things are "back to normal".


I think your concerns are valid, but I suspect most people will jump with both feet, arse-first ,into 'back to normal' when (if) the time comes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2020, 12:25:44 AM
I guess a lot will depend on what's in contracts and if there's anything to cover this scenario. You're right that Sky shouldn't pay it all if the season is abandoned, but on the other hand clubs will have budgeted for the full amount. So a say 25% reduction will screw some clubs, especially someone like Bournemouth that because of the attendances will really rely on the Sky money. And FFP will need to take a backseat most likely.

The general rule of thumb was that the loss will lie where it fell.

However, legislation prescribes that money paid for something not received because of events that were out of each parties control may be recovered.



Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 18, 2020, 01:17:04 AM
Players trained on Monday but now training ground is closed for the week and each player has individual training programmes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: tomd2103 on March 18, 2020, 01:36:17 AM
UEFA are keen to draw under this season on June 30th. With that in mind with 10 league games to go plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and other European Competition, weíd have to realistically get going mid to late April to get everything in. Can we see that happening?

Heard something on the radio saying that Champions League might resort to 1 leg quarter finals and a tournament style last four like the World Club Championship to fit it in. 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ROBBO on March 18, 2020, 03:55:00 AM
Are they living in a different dimension and cut off from the real world, does anyone in their right mind believe this will be over in a couple of months.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 18, 2020, 04:18:56 AM
Robbo, it will never be properly over.  The world is changing in front of our eyes.  Employment, travel, banking, farming, industry, education as we knew it prior to coronavirus are going to change out of all recognition.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 18, 2020, 04:45:42 AM
Myself and Mrs Ozvilla were saying something similar the other day Brian. If these projections are correct this will be a game changer in much the same way as 9/11 was.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 18, 2020, 04:57:04 AM
There  is no way the games will be completed by the scheduled end of the season, and highly unlikely we would be in a position to get them end by the end of June. This doesnít mean however that they wonít try and finish them over the summer (again that looks unlikely when we see the current forecasts) - there are a few articles about suggesting that the season does need to be finished.

Whether this is journalists being briefed by vested interests, or whether it is a because they fear lawsuits if a season is declared void I donít know but I reckon it will be decided by the path of least resistance which I guess means the cheapest option.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 18, 2020, 05:41:49 AM
Maybe more than 9/11 Oz.  It reminds me of Britain immediately post WW2.  Britain survived then with Marshall Aid from the United States.  This time around there will be no Uncle Sam to help us to our feet.  There will be a huge amount of financial pain as we have to adjust to a new world of debt repayment.   When my wife and I got married very nearly 60 years ago we wanted to buy a three piece suite on hire purchase.  My Dad and my wife's Dad both had to sign as guarantors before we got credit.  I was 26 my wife was 24.   Now of course you will also need health references that you will live to see the credit repaid.   The shape of things to come.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: TopDeck113 on March 18, 2020, 06:49:32 AM
If something good is to come of this it might be that top clubs especially think about using at least part of their TV money to create a hardship fund as some other industries do.  Ever increasing player wages as such a high percentage of turnover was only sustainable whilst the Sky/BT gravy train continued to rattle down the tracks. The buffers are now fast approaching.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 18, 2020, 08:10:31 AM
There is an article in the Torygraph just now about the clubs and the FA focusing on finishing the season, no matter how long it takes.

It's bollocks based on prepping their stand off with Sky when they start to argue about money.
I think the money thing is correct - if the season is voided will Sky subscribers want refunds/cancel subscriptions (if they aren't already), will Sky want money back from the clubs, if clubs have to repay Sky money will they be able to pay the salaries of players with the income shortfall etc etc.
Yep.  But if they finish 'however long it takes' there may well not be a season next year - so the clubs would lose that money.

I still think taking the hit now is the only sensible thing, but I am biased.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 18, 2020, 08:16:42 AM
I think Sky/BT could just say make up for the money we have lost on lack of live games by having even more next season. Perhaps have every Friday/Saturday/Sunday/Monday night have a live game on, or do Amazon-style weekends/midweeks where every game is televised. I would hope they wouldn't seek to start televising Saturday 3pm games as clubs in lower leagues will be struggling enough as it is. Not just because of lost weeks but also because I think people might remain wary about being around crowds for some time, even when everyone is telling us things are "back to normal".
I don't think showing loads more games would necessarily help sky make up the money.  I'd guess most of their money comes from subsribers (which they're losing in the 1,000's right now).  Showing every game would add some advertising revenue, but essentially they would be diluting their own product.

I'm not weeping for sky, but the loss of income is going to put clubs in real trouble as the wages are still being paid.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 18, 2020, 08:21:54 AM
If something good is to come of this it might be that top clubs especially think about using at least part of their TV money to create a hardship fund as some other industries do.  Ever increasing player wages as such a high percentage of turnover was only sustainable whilst the Sky/BT gravy train continued to rattle down the tracks. The buffers are now fast approaching.
Surely it's time for salary caps?  How can we justify a world where some average players are demanding £120k a week?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 18, 2020, 09:00:56 AM
the suggestion now is to play out all the  remaining fixtures behind closed doors on neutral grounds and to screen every game. If true, this is a desperate utterly venal act which proves irrefutably that money rules above all else. So as far as the PL and their paymasters are concerned its ok for the elderly to be isolated for months but nothing is going to disrupt the sound of cash sloshing into our accounts. cnuts.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 18, 2020, 10:05:18 AM
If something good is to come of this it might be that top clubs especially think about using at least part of their TV money to create a hardship fund as some other industries do.  Ever increasing player wages as such a high percentage of turnover was only sustainable whilst the Sky/BT gravy train continued to rattle down the tracks. The buffers are now fast approaching.
Surely it's time for salary caps?  How can we justify a world where some average players are demanding £120k a week?
I think these current circumstances are going to challenge lots of 'sacred cows' and the world may be a very different place in 12 months' time. Salary caps is just one way in which pro football may change. Another may be the 'united nations' approach to the league: we may find fewer players from other continents willing to be over here; away from their family and friends and accustomed culture.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: fredm on March 18, 2020, 11:01:25 AM
the suggestion now is to play out all the  remaining fixtures behind closed doors on neutral grounds and to screen every game. If true, this is a desperate utterly venal act which proves irrefutably that money rules above all else. So as far as the PL and their paymasters are concerned its ok for the elderly to be isolated for months but nothing is going to disrupt the sound of cash sloshing into our accounts. cnuts.

That suggestion is ok as long as the teams have players who are not isolated.  It only needs one player/staff member to say he is feeling unwell and the whole lot are isolated and then what do they do?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 18, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
Glastonbury cancelled.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2020, 11:25:57 AM
the suggestion now is to play out all the  remaining fixtures behind closed doors on neutral grounds and to screen every game. If true, this is a desperate utterly venal act which proves irrefutably that money rules above all else. So as far as the PL and their paymasters are concerned its ok for the elderly to be isolated for months but nothing is going to disrupt the sound of cash sloshing into our accounts. cnuts.

That suggestion is ok as long as the teams have players who are not isolated.  It only needs one player/staff member to say he is feeling unwell and the whole lot are isolated and then what do they do?
It only takes one club to refuse and if I was AVFC that is exactly what I would do.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2020, 11:44:07 AM
Fuck that idea. Season is finished, they need to accept it. If we are obsessing with playing dead seasons, let's start with 1915-16 to 1917-18. We were decent in those days so be nice to play then.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 18, 2020, 12:06:39 PM
I may be wrong but if 14 clubvs agree on any particular course of action then it goes ahead.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: in exile on March 18, 2020, 12:46:09 PM
When is the Premier League meeting - is it today, tomorrow or Friday?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2020, 01:16:19 PM
When is the Premier League meeting - is it today, tomorrow or Friday?

I doubt anything final will be announced tomorrow.

At the earliest, it will be 3 April and even then, I canít see them being in a position to decide anything.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 18, 2020, 01:25:34 PM
definitely meeting tomorrow I think they might well announce something after Tuesday's meeting.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Colhint on March 18, 2020, 01:26:02 PM
If they say no more than 50 people together in any place.  That would be the end of the season. 18 in a squad there's 36. 4 officials bring\s it to 40 then 2 managers and coaches that leaves 6 people for doctors, medics ball boys, ground staff
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on March 18, 2020, 01:27:01 PM
Fuck that idea. Season is finished, they need to accept it. If we are obsessing with playing dead seasons, let's start with 1915-16 to 1917-18. We were decent in those days so be nice to play then.

Yeah but how long is it going to take to get the players from those squads fully match fit?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 18, 2020, 01:28:55 PM
definitely meeting tomorrow I think they might well announce something after Tuesday's meeting.

I think they need to give 21 days notice which is why they initially pencilled in 3 April.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 18, 2020, 01:30:45 PM
Fuck that idea. Season is finished, they need to accept it. If we are obsessing with playing dead seasons, let's start with 1915-16 to 1917-18. We were decent in those days so be nice to play then.

Yeah but how long is it going to take to get the players from those squads fully match fit?

Probably less time than Keinan Davis.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 18, 2020, 01:44:33 PM
Fuck that idea. Season is finished, they need to accept it. If we are obsessing with playing dead seasons, let's start with 1915-16 to 1917-18. We were decent in those days so be nice to play then.

Yeah but how long is it going to take to get the players from those squads fully match fit?

Probably less time than Keinan Davis.
Hahaha
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2020, 02:07:14 PM
I may be wrong but if 14 clubvs agree on any particular course of action then it goes ahead.
According to the PL rules, but these are extreme circumstances and decisions that are prejudicial will be challenged.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 18, 2020, 02:11:28 PM
I may be wrong but if 14 clubvs agree on any particular course of action then it goes ahead.
According to the PL rules, but these are extreme circumstances and decisions that are prejudicial will be challenged.

i.e. "We hate Liverpool" is not a valid reason!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2020, 02:18:51 PM
I may be wrong but if 14 clubvs agree on any particular course of action then it goes ahead.
According to the PL rules, but these are extreme circumstances and decisions that are prejudicial will be challenged.

i.e. "We hate Liverpool" is not a valid reason!
In Law, maybe not.

If they decide to play out the rest of the season allowing home advantage and that means spectators, then so be it.
Behind closed door games are used as punishment, and none of the teams that will be affected have done anything wrong.
There are at least 6 teams that will go against it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 18, 2020, 03:30:39 PM
Fuck that idea. Season is finished, they need to accept it. If we are obsessing with playing dead seasons, let's start with 1915-16 to 1917-18. We were decent in those days so be nice to play then.

Yeah but how long is it going to take to get the players from those squads fully match fit?

Probably less time than Keinan Davis.

Thank you made me laugh. Needed it!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 18, 2020, 03:43:21 PM
Robbo, it will never be properly over.  The world is changing in front of our eyes.  Employment, travel, banking, farming, industry, education as we knew it prior to coronavirus are going to change out of all recognition.

Best wishes to you in France and respect to you at this time.
I agree on the changes and I like to add I think this changes people too. I'm grateful to the reading on the  internet even if I can get confused.
For the big picture I am trying to see some positives in the change for way of living but feel very sad to the whole situation in regards to the virus and peoples life and livelihood.

Reading on here people even if it's not on football is sometimes ok and good for me.
I have mothering Sunday UK coming up which is always a difficult time for me. I have had those who took on role of mother who helped in my care after her and someone  particular close with i'm at lengths to only video call rather than be with them. I find this frustration but I'm not selfish to risk my emotion needs.
One thing it's teaching me is communication and reinforcing important values.
I wish you well as note your age and send best wishes if that's ok.
Take care. And I'm sorry this isn't much about football or villa though I could say maybe it will change some footballers perspectives and values in life.
Thanks
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: KRS on March 18, 2020, 04:33:05 PM
Iíve just come back from Tesco in Brownhills. Football can quite literally go fuck itself when you canít even buy basics such as toilet roll, tissues, washing up tablets or fresh cold meat like chicken and minced beef. The FA and PL really need to get a reality check...this football season literally means fuck all now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 18, 2020, 05:34:06 PM
Sounds like the rest of the year is cancelled. PL still aiming to complete season probably...
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: frank black on March 18, 2020, 06:26:25 PM
They wonít have a decision to make and Liverpool fans etc (majority) wonít care if the season is cancelled in two months time.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: wozwebs on March 18, 2020, 06:34:46 PM
Worrying is that Italy, who are a few weeks ahead of us, and are far more locked down than us have just had their highest number of deaths today even though those measures are in place.

Quote
Itís worth remembering that Italy has been one of the hardest hit countries by the virus. The latest stats - which have just been released - make clear just how devastating it's been there.

Despite a raft of tough measures and a strict lockdown, deaths in Italy surged by 475 over the past day to 2,978. The number of cases also shot up to 35,713 from 31,506.

That's the biggest increase since the outbreak began.

The majority of deaths have occurred in the northern Lombardy region, which contains the capital Milan. Hospitals there are reportedly at breaking point and retired doctors and nurses are being asked to return to work.

"I make a heartfelt appeal to all the doctors, nurses and medical personnel who have retired in the last two years... to help us in this emergency," the regionís governor, Attilio Fontana, said earlier today.

Itís a similar picture across the rest of Italy. The government is trying to plug gaps in its stretched healthcare system, and itís even pushed 10,000 student doctors into service nine-months ahead of schedule.

More widely, officials have not ruled out extending the full lockdown beyond the start of April. Bars, restaurants and most shops in Italy have closed as have schools and universities. Nearly all Italians have been told to stay at home.

But even with these restrictions the number of cases continues to rise. ďThe contagion numbers are not falling, they continue to be high," Mr Fontana said.

ďWe are asking people to make sacrifices to save lives."
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 18, 2020, 08:42:29 PM
Robbo, it will never be properly over.  The world is changing in front of our eyes.  Employment, travel, banking, farming, industry, education as we knew it prior to coronavirus are going to change out of all recognition.

Best wishes to you in France and respect to you at this time.
I agree on the changes and I like to add I think this changes people too. I'm grateful to the reading on the  internet even if I can get confused.
For the big picture I am trying to see some positives in the change for way of living but feel very sad to the whole situation in regards to the virus and peoples life and livelihood.

Reading on here people even if it's not on football is sometimes ok and good for me.
I have mothering Sunday UK coming up which is always a difficult time for me. I have had those who took on role of mother who helped in my care after her and someone  particular close with i'm at lengths to only video call rather than be with them. I find this frustration but I'm not selfish to risk my emotion needs.
One thing it's teaching me is communication and reinforcing important values.
I wish you well as note your age and send best wishes if that's ok.
Take care. And I'm sorry this isn't much about football or villa though I could say maybe it will change some footballers perspectives and values in life.
Thanks


Look after yourself mate. It'll get better.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 18, 2020, 08:58:06 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/18/premier-league-expected-to-push-for-30-june-season-finish?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

They obviously pooping themselves about lawsuits. Complete at all costs, whilst the rest of the country faces measures not seen for decades.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: BlackCountryVilla on March 18, 2020, 08:59:57 PM
Much as I love the Villa and football in general it doesn't really matter at the moment.
At my work we already have 17 people off (self isolating due to symptoms or family members with symptoms) Chances are that none of them have the virus and if they do they will probably be fine but you never know.
I am much more concerned with their health (and my own) than whether the season is completed!
This is going to drag on for a long time yet - we are only at the beginning....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 18, 2020, 09:04:35 PM
I am happy to speculate here about the impact on the Villa because it takes my mind off worrying about lots of other stuff.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 18, 2020, 09:37:43 PM
I would love the Wolves game to be on. I've got a reservation at the new Dishoom at half five that day, and if the dogheads is on, I'm defo having Indian for me tea. If it ain't, I reckon I ain't.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Damo70 on March 18, 2020, 10:57:53 PM
This season needs to be scrapped and expunged from the record. I think given the scale of the crisis everyone would agree. Admittedly harsh on Liverpool but I think the other nineteen clubs would agree like a shot to void the season and start again in August. As for all the other promotion/play off/relegation issues nothing has been decided at this stage anyway so nobody particularly gains or loses anything.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Louzie0 on March 18, 2020, 11:09:42 PM
...

For the big picture I am trying to see some positives in the change for way of living but feel very sad to the whole situation in regards to the virus and peoples life and livelihood.

...
I have mothering Sunday UK coming up which is always a difficult time for me. I have had those who took on role of mother who helped in my care after her and someone  particular close with i'm at lengths to only video call rather than be with them. I find this frustration but I'm not selfish to risk my emotion needs.

One thing it's teaching me is communication and reinforcing important values.
I wish you well as note your age and send best wishes if that's ok.
Take care. And I'm sorry this isn't much about football or villa though I could say maybe it will change some footballers perspectives and values in life.

Thanks

Good luck, Vil I An, especially this weekend.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: David_Nab on March 18, 2020, 11:52:29 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/18/premier-league-expected-to-push-for-30-june-season-finish?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

They obviously pooping themselves about lawsuits. Complete at all costs, whilst the rest of the country faces measures not seen for decades.

They are as deluded as the Japanese who still think the Olympics is going to go ahead ...things are going to get worse before they get better.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 12:56:53 AM
Let's all keep talking together here and hope everyone is doing ok.
Footballing decisions by the premier league in the meeting  today ,Thursday, will have  something for us all to discuss on the impact to villa season.
Personally fro their discussions I do hope there is not the naivety ,  not ignorance, and not shortsightedness in how the league best respond on how to resolve the footballing campaign in England.

For me the footballing decisions tomorrow have to come with much needed wisdom and sense. Premier league need to be aware of the impact of the virus from the information. In turn the given reality to the situation leads to how Premier league clubs decide what to do with finishing or voiding the football campaign .

Football needs to be understanding. Can the premier league and football be accepting and have the foresight to make the decisions for the good of the people,  and players .
They definitely can make decisions for the sport and business but outside of their interests does anything matter ? Is it play season out at at costs?

Thursday will give us all here and premier league followers some idea how the season will finish. All we currently have is the suspension of football till April 4th.
Because of this time I likely to feel disillusioned by the sport at the top level due to more important things
Love the Villa though.
Best wishes to all
Up the Villa
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rory Christopher on March 19, 2020, 01:14:01 AM
Does Liverpool being awarded the title mean Villa stay up? If so, "when you walk...through a storm..."

Fuck Liverpool, I care about Villa. And I can't help but feel that this season is our biggest risk. Stay up this year, and I reckon we'll stay up indefinitely. Then comes the resumption of our rightful place.

Without Villa, I'd have no interest in football. Who cares about Liverpool, Man Utd, West Brom, Wolves, Blose, Leeds, whoever.

We are the Villa, and nothing else matters but us.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: JD on March 19, 2020, 01:45:25 AM

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Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 19, 2020, 07:13:03 AM
If these fuckers prioritize profit before people today then I am never attending another game
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: PeterWithe on March 19, 2020, 07:47:31 AM
Iíve a lot of sympathy with that position. It seems perverse for the papers to be still full of stories of players moving for hundreds of millions of pounds and earning further millions in wages. It could however, be a viewed as a sign of welcome normalcy returning, however starkly perverse that normalcy now appears.

Do we need football to give us back our highly paid heroes as an escape or do we need it to show solidarity with the hardships coming ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 08:02:19 AM
When you consider the thousands of kids that have been working towards something for 2 years and the government has decided to cancel the exams it does seem at odds with footballs desire to complete a season at all costs.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 08:27:11 AM
If these fuckers prioritize profit before people today then I am never attending another game
I'm not sure that trying to conclude the season has anything to do with profit - if anything it could mean the cancellation of next season and all the cash it brings.

Whilst I still think they should draw a line under this season and try to have as normal a season as possible next year, I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that things may well not be back to normality until late this year maybe even early next year. If they do chose to finish this season whenever football returns then next season can't really happen.  It sounds ridiculous given player contracts, transfer windows etc, but I suspect that's what some people are pushing for.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 19, 2020, 08:36:53 AM

...For me the footballing decisions tomorrow have to come with much needed wisdom and sense...

Unfortunately, the football authorities have not demonstrated these characteristics much in the past; here's hoping!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 19, 2020, 08:40:00 AM
I see Sky are completely being impartial by getting the views of Jamie Redknapp, Phil Thompson and John Barnes! 
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 19, 2020, 08:45:43 AM
Nothing concrete will come out of the meeting today I'm sure.  I'd say that all that will come out of today is a extension of the delay until late April and a "we will review the situation closer to the time".  I can't see how they can do anything else.  But to finish 9/10 league games plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and European competition by June 30th, they'll need to realistically start by the end of April.

The 30th June has to be an absolute cut off and new season rules start 1st July. 

I'm sort of glad the meeting is today and not last week as it's given everybody time to absorb the scale and seriousness of the situation and put everything in perspective.  No-one can be put in danger to ensure someone wins a trophy!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 08:55:21 AM
Nothing concrete will come out of the meeting today I'm sure.  I'd say that all that will come out of today is a extension of the delay until late April and a "we will review the situation closer to the time".  I can't see how they can do anything else.  But to finish 9/10 league games plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and European competition by June 30th, they'll need to realistically start by the end of April.

The 30th June has to be an absolute cut off and new season rules start 1st July. 

I'm sort of glad the meeting is today and not last week as it's given everybody time to absorb the scale and seriousness of the situation and put everything in perspective.  No-one can be put in danger to ensure someone wins a trophy!

I think they seem keen to potentially play over the summer.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 19, 2020, 09:12:11 AM
anyone thinking that money doesn't rule here is being very naive - of course it does to the broadcasters sponsors clubs players etc etc. i stand by what i said earlier - cancel and take the financial ramifications in the same way as millions of others are going to have to do.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Dave P on March 19, 2020, 09:20:11 AM
Nothing concrete will come out of the meeting today I'm sure.  I'd say that all that will come out of today is a extension of the delay until late April and a "we will review the situation closer to the time".  I can't see how they can do anything else.  But to finish 9/10 league games plus 3 rounds of the FA Cup and European competition by June 30th, they'll need to realistically start by the end of April.

The 30th June has to be an absolute cut off and new season rules start 1st July. 

I'm sort of glad the meeting is today and not last week as it's given everybody time to absorb the scale and seriousness of the situation and put everything in perspective.  No-one can be put in danger to ensure someone wins a trophy!

I think they seem to potentially play over the summer.

Hence the announced June 30th cut off.  Past July 1st presents problems with contracts and preparations for a (hopefully) full and uninterrupted season next year.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 09:21:52 AM
Appreciate that but I reckon they are looking beyond this.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 19, 2020, 09:44:10 AM
Thatís the key question and always has been? Whatís the cut off date. If itís 30th June I think itís over. If itís open ended post 30th June itíll be completed but then the next season will be out of sync etc, etc.

If the title race was close it would be voided imo. 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' being so far ahead and also being potentially their first Title since Jesus played centre forward for Nazareth Primary means the media has swung behind to work as one to prevent this  potential íinjusticeí.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2020, 09:56:22 AM
Iíve a lot of sympathy with that position. It seems perverse for the papers to be still full of stories of players moving for hundreds of millions of pounds and earning further millions in wages. It could however, be a viewed as a sign of welcome normalcy returning, however starkly perverse that normalcy now appears.

Do we need football to give us back our highly paid heroes as an escape or do we need it to show solidarity with the hardships coming ?
Normalcy FFS
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 09:56:30 AM
The current sentiment by most seems to be to finish it however long it takes.  That means summer, autumn, winter whatever.  Sound nuts to me but I feel that's where we're heading.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 09:58:15 AM
The current sentiment by most seems to be to finish it however long it takes.  That means summer, autumn, winter whatever.  Sound nuts to me but I feel that's where we're heading.

Agreed, crazy and completely out of sync with everything else going on around us.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2020, 10:06:19 AM
The current sentiment by most seems to be to finish it however long it takes.  That means summer, autumn, winter whatever.  Sound nuts to me but I feel that's where we're heading.

Agreed, crazy and completely out of sync with everything else going on around us.
By the time they are able to start playing again this season will be some time in the past. Say it is a year, then I suppose they could proceed as if nothing has happened and lose the 20/21 season.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 10:12:58 AM
Another thing, presumably players are going to be getting this at different stages over the next 3 months. You could well end up with severely weakened teams even in August.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 19, 2020, 10:18:25 AM
Now theyíve suspended the season because of players getting the virus then surely they cannot re-start before every team is 100% clear. The precedent has been set.

Thatís even when junior squad players test positive. One out all out, thatís the precedent.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2020, 10:27:04 AM
Now theyíve suspended the season because of players getting the virus then surely they cannot re-start before every team is 100% clear. The precedent has been set.

Thatís even when junior squad players test positive. One out all out, thatís the precedent.
Then you are waiting for a vaccine or a point when significant numbers have had it and are immune. That would seem to be a long way off.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Luffbralion on March 19, 2020, 10:28:32 AM
I see Sky are completely being impartial by getting the views of Jamie Redknapp, Phil Thompson and John Barnes!

Can't do a link but the Times has an article stating that the league table would finish up with exactly the current positions, factoring form, quality of opposition, depth of squad, etc. It's based on a sophisticated algorithm designed by the analytics experts you have cited.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 10:31:05 AM
I can only imagine the chaos behind the scenes. It is bad enough at my work just trying to get stuff sorted out.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2020, 10:35:13 AM
I can only imagine the chaos behind the scenes. It is bad enough at my work just trying to get stuff sorted out.
The ďhow the fuck can they survive without any revenueĒ question must be taxing their brains right now.
Just as it is for Businesses all over the world.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
I see Sky are completely being impartial by getting the views of Jamie Redknapp, Phil Thompson and John Barnes!

Can't do a link but the Times has an article stating that the league table would finish up with exactly the current positions, factoring form, quality of opposition, depth of squad, etc. It's based on a sophisticated algorithm designed by the analytics experts you have cited.
But they havent factored in the return of SJM, all but guaranteeing us a 10 game winning run.  If they don't allocate us a UEFA spot I'd be furious.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: OzVilla on March 19, 2020, 10:37:46 AM
Now theyíve suspended the season because of players getting the virus then surely they cannot re-start before every team is 100% clear. The precedent has been set.

Thatís even when junior squad players test positive. One out all out, thatís the precedent.
Then you are waiting for a vaccine or a point when significant numbers have had it and are immune. That would seem to be a long way off.

Yes it would but they set the precedent when Arteta and the Chelsea player tested positive. This was before any Government restrictions. So to restart the circumstances must have improved on those when you suspended. The Ďbad light theoryí to use a cricketing analogy.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 10:37:56 AM

...For me the footballing decisions tomorrow have to come with much needed wisdom and sense...

Unfortunately, the football authorities have not demonstrated these characteristics much in the past; here's hoping!

If someone in football had passed away from the virus I think season would be over no debates would be had. Major decisions taken out of hands . Is that what they want ?! Ex footballers too even. It's like football think they can just go on well they can't!
Of course they need a sense of how they are going forward in premier league.

As there is no clear idea on when people can be at no risk of virus then sooner the premier league void and cancel and make a clear decision the better.
Voiding season would of course be an option it would keep football out of headlines and peoples minds as it gets cut off to an extent till it returns. A void season is a void in people lives. Though reality now is that no one lives for football however much we love it. And who ultimately cares.

I suppose it would have to go down to voting from proposals given by the 20 clubs.
As if the government aren't getting involved in lock down the premier league need to understand this could a year and half worse case scenario but it's a lock down.
The most disgusting thing is whenever I hear the at all costs
And the desperation about this will make football lose some support as much as we all want it back
All the best to everyone today at uncertain times.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 10:39:07 AM
I can only imagine the chaos behind the scenes. It is bad enough at my work just trying to get stuff sorted out.
The ďhow the fuck can they survive without any revenueĒ question must be taxing their brains right now.
Just as it is for Businesses all over the world.

If they just announce further suspension plans or plans to play in summer this could be in part to continue as to buy time about contracts and all things legal for players and TV contracts?
I don't know how transparent things will be as so many factors.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 10:42:27 AM
I see Sky are completely being impartial by getting the views of Jamie Redknapp, Phil Thompson and John Barnes!

Can't do a link but the Times has an article stating that the league table would finish up with exactly the current positions, factoring form, quality of opposition, depth of squad, etc. It's based on a sophisticated algorithm designed by the analytics experts you have cited.

The only experts needed are the health experts and they should be included in premier league discussions today . Have to follow guidelines at all costs that should be the understandings.
I get modelling to decide the league but importantly the modelling regards covid-19 must be used to explain that this is a long haul situation.
I think media and football people talking about it are being more fanciful than anything about this football conclusion being done.

One of the things I fanthom that football media and pundits have no idea at all and they are some what naive and shortsighted to peddle the season will be played.
Too many people commutating what they want rather than what the reality is.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Towser on March 19, 2020, 10:44:44 AM
I cant see how football will resume in the way we know it this year. If they want to resume this season the only way really is to cancel next season and play whats left of this season maybe commencing next March, maybe playing a pre season against lower league clubs in Jan/ Feb, other than that my own view is this season should be expunged from the records and we start again in a new season whenever that may be.

Lawsuits from relegated teams that have not played all games will out weigh those from teams not promoted, for exactly the same reasons, who says those clubs would have been relegated any more than who says those clubs currently in promotion positions would be promoted? plus, if thats what the Premier League decide, the Championship (and lower leagues) can't do anything about it anyway, can they?

It still doesn't sort the situation of players contracts and transfer windows etc.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 19, 2020, 11:02:46 AM
So... we have had years of moaning about how precious footballers can't cope with the demands of football.

League Cup replays abolished, two leg matches scrapped until the semi-finals, European qualifiers exempted from entrance until the last thirty-two, still lots of moaning and first team players nearly always rested till the latter stages.

FA Cup multiple replays abolished and single replays abolished from an earlier round seemingly every year. Still lots of moaning and first team players nearly always rested till the latter stages.

Premier League reduced from 22 to 20 teams. Midseason break introduced. Still lots of moaning about how unfair it is that players still sometimes have to play more than one league game a week, especially at Christmas.

We've had years of being told that players are overworked and need resting.

Now, suddenly the Premier League and Sky might lose a few quid.

Play through the summer. Play every week and midweek if need be. Tough shit.

Play till the end of June then straight into preseason in July. Tired? Tough shit.

Have no real break from whenever play resumes until July next year after the Euros. Tough shit.

Players haven't been able to train for weeks and will be nowhere near fit to return for action? Tough shit.

Several players have been sick and entire teams may have had to self-isolate. Tough shit.

The government advises against all non-essential travel. Our profits ARE essential. Tough shit.

The hypocrisy is staggering.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on March 19, 2020, 11:21:00 AM
When you consider the thousands of kids that have been working towards something for 2 years and the government has decided to cancel the exams it does seem at odds with footballs desire to complete a season at all costs.
My youngest nephew's in that situation with his A levels. Apparently predicted grades being used as "results" for taking up uni places, etc is being discussed

I'm just staggered that there is any talk about this season continuing. If Liverpool weren't so far ahead of everyone else, would there really be a discussion? Or am I being extremely naive??
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 11:35:10 AM
So... we have had years of moaning about how precious footballers can't cope with the demands of football.

League Cup replays abolished, two leg matches scrapped until the semi-finals, European qualifiers exempted from entrance until the last thirty-two, still lots of moaning and first team players nearly always rested till the latter stages.

FA Cup multiple replays abolished and single replays abolished from an earlier round seemingly every year. Still lots of moaning and first team players nearly always rested till the latter stages.

Premier League reduced from 22 to 20 teams. Midseason break introduced. Still lots of moaning about how unfair it is that players still sometimes have to play more than one league game a week, especially at Christmas.

We've had years of being told that players are overworked and need resting.

Now, suddenly the Premier League and Sky might lose a few quid.

Play through the summer. Play every week and midweek if need be. Tough shit.

Play till the end of June then straight into preseason in July. Tired? Tough shit.

Have no real break from whenever play resumes until July next year after the Euros. Tough shit.

Players haven't been able to train for weeks and will be nowhere near fit to return for action? Tough shit.

Several players have been sick and entire teams may have had to self-isolate. Tough shit.

The government advises against all non-essential travel. Our profits ARE essential. Tough shit.

The hypocrisy is staggering.
They're not saying any of this.  They're just saying the season should be completed, whenever that may be.  The probability is that will be some time in the autumn or new year.  It's not about money, it's about trying to be fair to all clubs.

I can think of loads of reasons why I think this is impractical and it would be better to void the league and start again, but frankly if they do chose to finish it then it's not about money it's about integrity.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mr underhill on March 19, 2020, 11:51:49 AM
It is only about money - if there was any vestige of integrity they would have already announced the voiding of the season. Football is a business like any other and is driven by money, cash flow, profit and loss. Other businesses and their employees are facing an uncertain future, football is no different. You seem to be willfully trying to defend the indefensible - the only thing that matters at the moment is public safety and welfare.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 19, 2020, 11:54:30 AM
I don't think anything will be settled on until UEFA confirms that its 20/21 club competitions are either abandoned or going ahead. If it's the former, I expect every 19/20 domestic European league will be abandoned within minutes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 12:03:34 PM
It is only about money - if there was any vestige of integrity they would have already announced the voiding of the season. Football is a business like any other and is driven by money, cash flow, profit and loss. Other businesses and their employees are facing an uncertain future, football is no different. You seem to be willfully trying to defend the indefensible - the only thing that matters at the moment is public safety and welfare.
I just disagree with you.  They'll lose more money cancelling next season which becomes a high probability if they choose to finish this one.  Whether they finish this season starting from Sept / Oct/ Nov etc or start the new one at the same date has no impact whatsoever on public safety and welfare.  All they are saying is that they want to finish the season, whenever that may be.

Again I can think of lots of rerasons why it's impractical and would prefer the season voided, but money and public safety are not one of them.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 19, 2020, 12:05:54 PM
I see Sky are completely being impartial by getting the views of Jamie Redknapp, Phil Thompson and John Barnes!

Can't do a link but the Times has an article stating that the league table would finish up with exactly the current positions, factoring form, quality of opposition, depth of squad, etc. It's based on a sophisticated algorithm designed by the analytics experts you have cited.
Problem with algorithms is that they cannot allow for the type of Watford 3-0 Liverpool result that often happens in the final quarter of a season: the bottom of the table is too tight to call it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 19, 2020, 12:06:59 PM
June 30th is the cut off, isn't it? The only way they can possibly get it finished by then is by forcing players to play midweek then weekend over and over until all the games are done. Even though many have had no training and others will have been self-isolating either as a precaution or due to actual infection.

The season is over. The only discussion should be what format the next one takes.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 12:10:03 PM
June 30th is the cut off, isn't it? The only way they can possibly get it finished by then is by forcing players to play midweek then weekend over and over until all the games are done. Even though many have had no training and others will have been self-isolating either as a precaution or due to actual infection.

The season is over. The only discussion should be what format the next one takes.
There is prospect of it being played by 30th June.  With that said I don't think it's an unmovable cut off.  It seems to me the general sentiment is to play it later in the year, whenever that may be.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Towser on March 19, 2020, 12:10:24 PM
June 30th is the cut off, isn't it? The only way they can possibly get it finished by then is by forcing players to play midweek then weekend over and over until all the games are done. Even though many have had no training and others will have been self-isolating either as a precaution or due to actual infection.

The season is over. The only discussion should be what format the next one takes.
And with little or no training comes the added risk of long term injuries, what happens then?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Mister E on March 19, 2020, 12:16:05 PM
It's not about money, it's about trying to be fair to all clubs ... if they do chose to finish it then it's not about money it's about integrity.
I think the League's current stance is actually about hope over reality: they want to complete because then next season can kick off in reasonable time, safeguarding future income streams.
Unfortunately, I don't think it's integrity.

Reality will kick into today's meeting when they accept that we are actually dealing with a global crisis which far transcends football and this season. But - as someone above said - the League are unlikely to make any firm decisions until EUFA decides on the currently-incomplete Euro competitions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: algy on March 19, 2020, 12:34:37 PM
June 30th is the cut off, isn't it? The only way they can possibly get it finished by then is by forcing players to play midweek then weekend over and over until all the games are done. Even though many have had no training and others will have been self-isolating either as a precaution or due to actual infection.

The season is over. The only discussion should be what format the next one takes.
I don't see what the issue is with having the season go on after 30th June.  As I'd mentioned before, players get transferred mid-season (e.g. January transfer window), and for some players their contracts end sort-of mid season (e.g. Irish players during the UEFA Cup / Scottish Challenge Cup - if you mind the Bohemians 'situation' last season!).  It's not ideal, but I don't think it's a particularly major issue in the grand scheme of things.

A lot of this will depend on how long everything goes on for.  If football can resume in August 2020, that's a very different proposition from it resuming in April 2021, or August 2021.

If it's April 2021, it makes sense to just start the season where this one has finished off.  Either that, or choose to restart in August 2021.

If it's August 2021, you'd have to start asking how valid the results of matches that happened in 2019 were, and if it would be better just to start from scratch / void everything

However, if it restarts this summer (August 2020), you have a dilemma of trying to fit both the end of the 2019/20 season and whole of the 2020/21 seasons in to 11 or 12 months.  Probably involving cancelling the league cup and reducing the number of games in other cup competitions.

I don't think we'll get a decisive decision other than 'postpone for the next N weeks' until all of it's over.  The solution will need to be so closely tied to the date the season resumes that I can't see you could realistically make a long term decision on it just yet.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: sid1964 on March 19, 2020, 12:41:14 PM
I would not be surprised if games cannot be completed, then the current league position will be the final position and only the bottom 2 will be relegated, likewise the top 2 will be promoted from the Championship.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 19, 2020, 12:41:40 PM
No chance of anything being finished by June 30th.

Will be interesting to see when other major european leagues restart (if they do of course given the grim situation in Italy and Spain atm). Premier league will take their cue from that.

Football will be back eventually but we're talking many months. Same for the other major sports.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Brassneck on March 19, 2020, 12:42:59 PM
June 30th is the cut off, isn't it? The only way they can possibly get it finished by then is by forcing players to play midweek then weekend over and over until all the games are done. Even though many have had no training and others will have been self-isolating either as a precaution or due to actual infection.

The season is over. The only discussion should be what format the next one takes.
I don't see what the issue is with having the season go on after 30th June.  As I'd mentioned before, players get transferred mid-season (e.g. January transfer window), and for some players their contracts end sort-of mid season (e.g. Irish players during the UEFA Cup / Scottish Challenge Cup - if you mind the Bohemians 'situation' last season!).  It's not ideal, but I don't think it's a particularly major issue in the grand scheme of things.

A lot of this will depend on how long everything goes on for.  If football can resume in August 2020, that's a very different proposition from it resuming in April 2021, or August 2021.

If it's April 2021, it makes sense to just start the season where this one has finished off.  Either that, or choose to restart in August 2021.

If it's August 2021, you'd have to start asking how valid the results of matches that happened in 2019 were, and if it would be better just to start from scratch / void everything

However, if it restarts this summer (August 2020), you have a dilemma of trying to fit both the end of the 2019/20 season and whole of the 2020/21 seasons in to 11 or 12 months.  Probably involving cancelling the league cup and reducing the number of games in other cup competitions.

I don't think we'll get a decisive decision other than 'postpone for the next N weeks' until all of it's over.  The solution will need to be so closely tied to the date the season resumes that I can't see you could realistically make a long term decision on it just yet.

So in a season where we'd built the team around Jack and relied heavily on him, we could possibly lose him for the final few games.  That goes against all principles of what a season is about.

To continue, you would need to add another 2 weeks minimum for play off places.

We can't possibly have a decisive decision as things are changing so rapidly.  This time last week, everyone was planning on going to the game against Chelsea.

The new issue for me is that training has been suspended.  I know it's the same for everyone but I don't see how you can prepare a professional side for games with no training.  Surely they'd want 2 weeks together minimum, prior to starting back up?  This 2 weeks would eat into the window left for finishing.

I agree with Mister E - The season is dead and it is just wishful thinking to think that it can be completed (without impacting the following season)
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 19, 2020, 01:10:32 PM
Season extended indefinitely. Bollocks.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 19, 2020, 01:10:42 PM
Suspended until April 30th just announced apparently.

More likely way past that date.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: jwarry on March 19, 2020, 01:10:48 PM
2019-20 season to be extended indefinitely so we are going to have to finish our games no matter what
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: adrenachrome on March 19, 2020, 01:11:37 PM
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Sam Wallace
@SamWallaceTel

3m
Premier League announces that, along with FA & EFL, it has scrapped rule that season must end by June 1 & extended "indefinitely". Message is clear: season 2019-2020 will be completed. No games until April 30 at earliest
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Jon Crofts on March 19, 2020, 01:12:52 PM
Well at least we'll have McGinn back and maybe Heaton?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 19, 2020, 01:25:08 PM
Season extended indefinitely. Bollocks.

Oh shit!
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 01:26:08 PM
It is only about money - if there was any vestige of integrity they would have already announced the voiding of the season. Football is a business like any other and is driven by money, cash flow, profit and loss. Other businesses and their employees are facing an uncertain future, football is no different. You seem to be willfully trying to defend the indefensible - the only thing that matters at the moment is public safety and welfare.

Totally agree this is the wisdom that's needed at the meeting!
Instead they keep putting off the inevitable seemingly scared to upset sponsors , organisations and everything else that's damaging in financial way to the brand.
The integrity is only for the brand not for anything about competition and fair and just.
And there will be those peddling that as some marketing nonsense.
The integrity to sport and life is to void the season and understand footballs place in relation to what's going on.
We will all see other football competitions , ourselves may be involved at lower levels or non professional , being declared null and void but at this high end football meets business clearly they don't want to take any decisive action till necessary.
I side with you Underhill and appreciate the sentiments.

Best wishes all

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: spangley1812 on March 19, 2020, 01:28:05 PM
They will start playing behind closed doors around the middle of May I reckon as they need about 6 weeks to finish the season by 30/06/2020
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 01:28:24 PM
So, the question is what happens if they want to restart in letís say August but some clubs have players out with the virus?

What then happens? Can it only restart once all players are virus free ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: nick harper on March 19, 2020, 01:28:56 PM
I think theyíre effectively writing off the 20/21 season bŷ doing that. Will be interesting to see what UEFA do with their own competitions.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 19, 2020, 01:29:47 PM
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Sam Wallace
@SamWallaceTel

3m
Premier League announces that, along with FA & EFL, it has scrapped rule that season must end by June 1 & extended "indefinitely". Message is clear: season 2019-2020 will be completed. No games until April 30 at earliest

Stupid decision to put in the term "indefinitely", they've no idea when games can resume. April 30th? They're having a laugh. As things stand, Season 20/21 looks more likely to be canceled now.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 19, 2020, 01:30:48 PM
I reckon theyíll play it 30.4 till 30.6 behind closed doors as long as everything is in place to start it then. You never do know though with this sort of thing. Itís obviously going to be finished one way or the other though and Iím glad, not a popular view Iím sure but I like to see things finished properly, especially with so much already played.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 01:31:44 PM
I don't think anything will be settled on until UEFA confirms that its 20/21 club competitions are either abandoned or going ahead. If it's the former, I expect every 19/20 domestic European league will be abandoned within minutes.

Great point and just maybe that's what the premier league and this country is using - in as much as waiting for hand to be forced and absolved from responsibility.
Playing the  whole 'it's been imposed upon us' card. Extending suspension and this announcement today readily allows for UEFA to be the final decisions making as implications to European competition has knock on effects to domestic leagues.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 01:33:22 PM
I reckon theyíll play it 30.4 till 30.6 behind closed doors as long as everything is in place to start it then. You never do know though with this sort of thing. Itís obviously going to be finished one way or the other though and Iím glad, not a popular view Iím sure but I like to see things finished properly, especially with so much already played.

That could well be peak time of people passing away I for one would object and protest for humanitarian reasons.
I feel sick with that thought. I recognise it's just a suggestion at this time that has been mentioned by you and I would regularly agree on having things concluded however this is a major situation and unprecedented. So unprecedented that football doesn't even have a contingency for such a likelihood .
As it has never been factored in.
Take your point on always finish your work I can't though see or be in agreement of any football being played again for 3 to 4 months if not longer. That's based on the situation in UK . However can agree to disagree and it's perfectly valid , maybe even viable what Griswold says so I wouldn't have any dismissing of his views on here and it's good he has shared them.
Debate is good I guess
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 19, 2020, 01:33:25 PM
They will start playing behind closed doors around the middle of May I reckon as they need about 6 weeks to finish the season by 30/06/2020

The country will be in lockdown by then. Anyone attempting to get to a football match, whether as player or spectator, should be told to stay at home. Football is not an essential service.

They are behaving recklessly, putting profits over people's lives.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: brian green on March 19, 2020, 01:42:17 PM
That proposal is irresponsible
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 01:43:58 PM
It's not going to be May or June.  It wil be Aug/ Sep at the very earliest.  They will either scrap 20/21 season or come up with a trunkated version, depending on when we get going.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 19, 2020, 01:46:44 PM
That proposal is irresponsible

Indeed. The message it sends out to the country, 'don't worry, nothing to see here, things will soon be back to normal' is today as far away from reality as you could imagine.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: mallo on March 19, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
They're in dreamland - they won't get matches played then. This is just politics.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 01:51:03 PM
That proposal is irresponsible

Indeed. The message it sends out to the country, 'don't worry, nothing to see here, things will soon be back to normal' is today as far away from reality as you could imagine.

If they can cancel exams after 2yrs of studying for kids youíd think they might be realise there are bigger things going on.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 19, 2020, 01:51:52 PM
No chance of any football being played in May. Or June imo. Perhaps July through to middle of August then a few weeks turnaround and start season sometime in September or October (cue winter then hitting and everything stopping with covid again).

UEFA could of course use some common sense and make CL and europa straight knock out from the start and stop the ridiculous stretching out of round 16 games over a month but not holding my breath on that one.

Ultimately football calendar is going to be out of sync for quite a while. We are only two and a half years away from a world cup taking place in November of a season after all so would have to play in the summer of that season anyway.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Vill I An on March 19, 2020, 01:52:43 PM
Quote
Sam Wallace
@SamWallaceTel

3m
Premier League announces that, along with FA & EFL, it has scrapped rule that season must end by June 1 & extended "indefinitely". Message is clear: season 2019-2020 will be completed. No games until April 30 at earliest

Thank you good info like to think this chap is accurate.
Was there any indication of there will be further meetings and announcements because that 30th April will probably getting moved again !
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 19, 2020, 01:54:01 PM
I don't think anything will be settled on until UEFA confirms that its 20/21 club competitions are either abandoned or going ahead. If it's the former, I expect every 19/20 domestic European league will be abandoned within minutes.

Great point and just maybe that's what the premier league and this country is using - in as much as waiting for hand to be forced and absolved from responsibility.
Playing the  whole 'it's been imposed upon us' card. Extending suspension and this announcement today readily allows for UEFA to be the final decisions making as implications to European competition has knock on effects to domestic leagues.

Yup, us on here are bothered because we're currently in the bottom 3, but I don't for one moment think that the piffling matter of who might get relegated registers with the game's stakeholders in the same way that which of Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU, SheffU, Spurs or Wolves dramatically grab that last CL spot. UEFA knock it on the head, it'll be; sorry chaps, football has spoken; 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', metaphorical pat on the back, here's a meaningless trophy; see you all whenever, it's as you were, and 'we go again'.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 01:54:52 PM
That proposal is irresponsible

Indeed. The message it sends out to the country, 'don't worry, nothing to see here, things will soon be back to normal' is today as far away from reality as you could imagine.

If they can cancel exams after 2yrs of studying for kids youíd think they might be realise there are bigger things going on.
That's irreleveant.  Assuming you accept that one day football will start again, whether that be Autumn, winter or spring, they are just saying when it starts again they will finish the current season first.

There may be loads of logistical reasons why we think that won't work, but it's not irresponsible, callous, about money or whatever else you want to throw at it.

I want them to void the season as much as anyone, but we need to stop being so melodramatic in our response to what was a highly predictable outcome.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 02:04:46 PM
That proposal is irresponsible

Indeed. The message it sends out to the country, 'don't worry, nothing to see here, things will soon be back to normal' is today as far away from reality as you could imagine.

If they can cancel exams after 2yrs of studying for kids youíd think they might be realise there are bigger things going on.
That's irreleveant.  Assuming you accept that one day football will start again, whether that be Autumn, winter or spring, they are just saying when it starts again they will finish the current season first.

There may be loads of logistical reasons why we think that won't work, but it's not irresponsible, callous, about money or whatever else you want to throw at it.

I want them to void the season as much as anyone, but we need to stop being so melodramatic in our response to what was a highly predictable outcome.

You think it is irrelevant, I donít.

The country, scrub that, the wider world is all over the place currently. All sorts of decisions are being made that days ago would be unthinkable to try and steer a course through the chaos.

Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: nick harper on March 19, 2020, 02:13:01 PM
I guess if that is the plan then there will be compromises around games being behind closed doors, played quickly, players not fit, contract issues etc. The clubs that will feel theyíve been most hard done by will be the 3 that go down from the premier league as all games will not have been played on a level playing field.

More important things to worry about right now but that is the probable scenario if they stick to their intention.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 02:16:53 PM
What happens if it gets to the last game of the season, we need to win to stay up and we beat a West Ham team with 6 youth team players.

Whislt it would be great I am not sure it does much for the integrity of the competition.

It seems to me that the money making machine has to keep on chugging on no matter what else is going on around it.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chris Smith on March 19, 2020, 02:19:48 PM
With it likely to hit again next year perhaps the thinking is to get this season finished one way or another and then if necessary just write off 2020/21.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 02:20:04 PM
They're not going to start whilst the virus is ongoing.  I don't see what's so difficult to grasp about this.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 02:24:06 PM
ďThe virus is ongoingĒ.

What does that mean, how do you measure that ?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 19, 2020, 02:28:26 PM
I donít think this decision means that much and is probably the only logical decision they can take at this time.
The discussions with FIFA UEFA the Sponsors and  Governments  will be ongoing and having to take into account the situation with the Virus.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 19, 2020, 02:28:32 PM
How big are our changing rooms?
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Chris Smith on March 19, 2020, 02:30:38 PM
ďThe virus is ongoingĒ.

What does that mean, how do you measure that ?

Until there is a vaccine available I guess.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Drummond on March 19, 2020, 02:30:40 PM
My two penneth.

They'll extend indefinitely to give time to make decisions and see what happens. Doesn't mean they can't change their minds again.

Behind closed doors would still be a gathering of at least 25 people, 22 of whom would be in physical contact. Plus managers, coaches, subs, groundsmen, doctors, physios etc. They may well not be allowed to play on.

Who really gives a shit anyway. Plenty of people are going to die and finally expunge Bill Shankly's quote. I miss sport being on, but in the grand scheme of things....
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 19, 2020, 02:31:03 PM
I donít think this decision means that much and is probably the only logical decision they can take at this time.
The discussions with FIFA UEFA the Sponsors and  Governments  will be ongoing and having to take into account the situation with the Virus.

If I was in government right now, and a football association came up to me about this, I don't think I'd stop laughing for a week.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: aev on March 19, 2020, 02:33:10 PM
ďThe virus is ongoingĒ.

What does that mean, how do you measure that ?

Until there is a vaccine available I guess.

Maybe 18 months then.
Title: Re: How much will Coronavirus (COVID-19) impact Aston Villas season ?
Post by: chrisw1 on March 19, 2020, 02:33:42 PM