Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.Which of course hasn't happened.
Quote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 10:13:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.Which of course hasn't happened.It's been happening for years. Further details on request.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 10:17:01 AMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 10:13:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.Which of course hasn't happened.It's been happening for years. Further details on request."Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"? Really? You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 11:18:37 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 10:17:01 AMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 10:13:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.Which of course hasn't happened.It's been happening for years. Further details on request."Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"? Really? You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic. Or as it's otherwise known, disagree.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 11:24:23 AMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 11:18:37 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 10:17:01 AMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 10:13:17 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AMQuote from: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AMI don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism. Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.Which of course hasn't happened.It's been happening for years. Further details on request."Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"? Really? You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic. Or as it's otherwise known, disagree.Yep, and that cuts both ways. I think the point is that yes there are always a couple of extreme views at either end of the spectrum but why concentrate on them? The vast majority are on a more sensible sliding scale in between, depending on how the team is generally performing at the time.
Because the people who are the most miserable are always the quickest to moan that everyone's picking on them, and it's a strange world where being optimistic about your team's chances is cause for criticism.
We’re definitely staying up and anyone who disagrees is not entitled to celebrate our next European Cup.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 11:33:56 AMBecause the people who are the most miserable are always the quickest to moan that everyone's picking on them, and it's a strange world where being optimistic about your team's chances is cause for criticism.It's a strange world too where not sharing that optimism is also grounds for criticism.