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Title: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
Choose 3. Option to change vote is available. I was originally going to put just the current bottom 8 in there but decided to go for 12 to cater for the possibility of someone going into freefall. Options will be removed as the season progresses. Currently in no particular order:

West Ham
Watford
Norwich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 02, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Choose 3. Option to change vote is available. I was originally going to put just the current bottom 8 in there but decided to go for 12 to cater for the possibility of someone going into freefall. Options will be removed as the season progresses. Currently in no particular order:

West Ham
Watford
Norwich

This is who we think will go down rather than want to?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
Think.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on February 02, 2020, 01:57:53 PM
17. Aston Villa
18. Watford (R)
19. Brighton (R)
20. Norwich (R)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
Fuck me, want to go down, spoilt for choice.
Arsenal because there fans are such wankers with a sense of entitlement.
Watford after the anti football performance the other night.
Bournemouth because of thier shitty little ground.
Newcastle - Steve Bruce
Crystal Palace because we rarely get anything there and itís a nightmare to get to.
West Ham - poison dwarfs, Lady Transfer kitty Brady Porn Kings Tax Payer stadium
Everton because they seem to have a massive chip on thier shoulder about us.
Southampton, Lego stadium add Brighton to that.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AVH87 on February 02, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
Norwich are almost gone
Brighton I think haven't got many wins left in them and will go
Third spot is where I worry about us - if not we have to hope W Ham continue their shocking form or Watford's Pearson bubble has completely burst
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on February 02, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
In an ideal world for me, it would be...

Burnley
Watford
Newcastle
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Fuck me, want to go down, spoilt for choice.
Arsenal because there fans are such wankers with a sense of entitlement.
Watford after the anti football performance the other night.
Bournemouth because of thier shitty little ground.
Newcastle - Steve Bruce
Crystal Palace because we rarely get anything there and itís a nightmare to get to.
West Ham - poison dwarfs, Lady Transfer kitty Brady Porn Kings Tax Payer stadium
Everton because they seem to have a massive chip on thier shoulder about us.
Southampton, Lego stadium add Brighton to that.



Not that it's really important but the question was about 'think will go down' rather than 'want'. If it was 'want' I'd pretty much be in line with you!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
I think we will just get out by the skin of our nuts

Norwich gone - 20th
West Ham because they thought somehow Moyes was the answer - 19th
I reckon Brighton for the last spot.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 02, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Surprised not many mentions for Bournemouth.

Their next 6 matches : Sheff Utd (A) , Burnley (A), Chelsea (H), Liverpool (A) , Palace (H), Wolves (A)

I don't see them getting more than 4 points out of those, could be less easily.

That would surely lodge them firmly bottom 3 by end of March
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
I don't think Norwich are gone. They play far better football than quite a few teams, including us. It's just that their defence is even worse than ours. Although they have at least kept a clean sheet or two away from home.

I think West Ham will unfortunately have too much quality to be embroiled in the battle at the end which might be good for us as we might need a result at their place on the last day of the season.
So it's between us, Norwich, Brighton, Bomo and Watford.

20 Watford (those last two results will hopefully have kicked Pearson and Deeney right in the balls)
19 Norwich
18 Brighton/Villa...too close to call.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dicedlam on February 02, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
Want it to be:
W. Ham
Brighton
Norwich

Think it will be:
Villa
Brighton
Norwich.

I just don't think we have the metal, never mind the quality for a relegation scrap.
The midfield blows hot and cold and without McGinn, we just don't have the legs in there at the moment. Then there is Trez and El Ghazi who again and again go missing for large parts of a game. The defence is also an area for concern with all three central defenders (Konsa/Mings/Hause) having at least one brain fart each per game. Our striking options can only be summed up in a couple of words 'a gamble'.

The positives are obviously Jack but he cannot be expected to be the force all on his own. I do think both Gilbert and Targett have improved immensely and do look more of a threat with crosses than both Trez and El Ghazi, but is this enough? sadly I don't think so.

Please prove me wrong Villa.



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 03:40:04 PM
Itís 3 from 6
Norwich
Spam
Watford
BTon
Bmouth
Us.
I think you can make a case for any of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fulford on February 02, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
I've gone for

Villa
Brighton
Norwich

We just don't seem to be able to pull off any unexpected results unlike others around us. Our woeful away form will be our undoing unfortunately and an injury to Jack is unthinkable but likely at some stage.

I really hope they prove me wrong as I can't envisage life in the chumps again without our best players.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john2710 on February 02, 2020, 04:07:11 PM
We're going to have to beat the teams above us, pick up points away from home & keep a few clean sheets if we want to stay up. Something we've struggled to do so far.

I think we'll be one of rhe bottom three.

It's going to be
Norwich
Brighton
Us / Bournemouth / Watford
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on February 02, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
Gone for

Brighton
Villa
Norwich.
Just don't see enough fight or any effective tactics from us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 02, 2020, 05:35:27 PM
We're going to have to beat the teams above us, pick up points away from home & keep a few clean sheets if we want to stay up. Something we've struggled to do so far.

I think we'll be one of rhe bottom three.

It's going to be
Norwich
Brighton
Us / Bournemouth / Watford

I agree - the inability to keep clean sheets or eke out draws is hurting us..overall ,poor recruitment  and,- ultimately abject defending may well be our downfall - just who is defensive coach?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 02, 2020, 05:48:33 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Equally it's 14 conceded in the last 6 league games (Norwich was 7 games), so stats can be used to support a number of arguments.

We do share the worse defensive record along with Norwich and that needs to improve very quickly to have any chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 02, 2020, 06:41:54 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Equally it's 14 conceded in the last 6 league games (Norwich was 7 games), so stats can be used to support a number of arguments.

We do share the worse defensive record along with Norwich and that needs to improve very quickly to have any chance.

That includes one game that is a bit of an anomaly though. Other than that Man City game, yesterday was the first time we have conceded two in a game since we went to three at the back. It still needs work, but we have definitely been improved defensively since then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 11:21:34 PM
We've just played the bottom 4 haven't we and still managed to not keep a clean sheet. It's what's going to kill us this season. Drinkwater as the midfield reinforcement was not the sticky plaster we needed to make us solid and we concede constantly at set pieces and crosses.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2020, 11:25:38 PM
*We kept a clean sheet at home to Norwich.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 02, 2020, 11:29:32 PM
Norwich
Bournemouth
Brighton
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2020, 11:40:44 PM
West Ham will go unless they sign Tevez on an emergency loan....

Their away schedule is very tough, think they'll lose 4 of the six and they'll draw too many of their winnable home games due to having a manager like Moyes (I'd back them to stop up if they had Big Sam but they've already been down that avenue previously).

Did a prediction this afternoon and had them on 37 points and that includes beating us on the final day. We got to 39. Can't actually remember who the other relegated team was.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2020, 11:58:50 PM
Can still see Newcastle being dragged into it , their luck has to run out soon averaging 30% possession every game
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 12:58:25 AM
I've gone for Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth. I think (with no real confidence) we'll be safe come the final day for some reason. Prayer mats at the ready just in case.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 03, 2020, 01:10:16 AM
I only picked two.

Norwich were never good enough from day one in my opinion.

Pre season I thought this was one Premier League season too far for Bournemouth.

Watford's new manager bounce seems to have worn off so they might go down.

The toxic atmosphere at West Ham will be a problem for them

I tipped Newcastle to go down before the season started but they have surprised me by grinding out some
decent results.

Brighton also seem good enough to grind out enough points to get over the line.

So long as we don't bottle it and play as we have been I think we will just about have enought to get over the line.

Definitely Norwich and Bournemouth for me and Watford or West Ham for the other relegation place.

I can't see any of Burnley, Palace, Arsenal, Southampton or Everton going down but if I had to pick one of them it would be Palace.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 03, 2020, 06:42:55 AM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on February 03, 2020, 07:49:10 AM
I only picked two.

Norwich were never good enough from day one in my opinion.

Pre season I thought this was one Premier League season too far for Bournemouth.

Watford's new manager bounce seems to have worn off so they might go down.

The toxic atmosphere at West Ham will be a problem for them

I tipped Newcastle to go down before the season started but they have surprised me by grinding out some
decent results.

Brighton also seem good enough to grind out enough points to get over the line.

So long as we don't bottle it and play as we have been I think we will just about have enought to get over the line.

Definitely Norwich and Bournemouth for me and Watford or West Ham for the other relegation place.

I can't see any of Burnley, Palace, Arsenal, Southampton or Everton going down but if I had to pick one of them it would be Palace.


only problem with this scenario Damo, is we have bottled it and continue to do so, too often. Iím not saying weíre down. Just that if weíre relying on us not to bottle it too often, it could be very close. Hopefully weíll be safe by the time we play West Ham, letís hope so. But that game could well decide our fate, and how many times have we bottled it against relegation rivals so far this season?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 07:59:17 AM
Opposed to bottling it, Iíd say weíve done rather well against our relegation rivals;

6 from Norwich
4 from Brighton
4 from Burnley
3 from Everton*
3 from Newcastle*
3 from Watford
1 from West Ham*
0 from Bournemouth
0 from Southampton*

*2nd game still to play.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2020, 08:08:50 AM
The problem for me is consistency. At our best we can go toe to toe with most teams in this league. Unfortunately it also boils down to desire and wanting it badly enough. At least half the team can do that but there's too many who are not committed in enough in every game. Too many weak links in the chain. I'm not sure DS can get all performances at the intensity required.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on February 03, 2020, 09:02:53 AM
That's the problem and you can easily pick up on it, you see players closing down at half pace trying to look as if they are when they're not really. Then the player who passes the ball then plays statues, we have a winger who starts every game who typifies this attitude never wants to get dirty.
We need every player in every game to give their utmost for the cause and a manager who demands it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: baddowvillans on February 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
17. Aston Villa
18. Watford (R)
19. Brighton (R)
20. Norwich (R)

I went Norwich Brighton and Villa but would be happy with this.  I just can't see us having enough effort organisation and desire to stay up.  Jack can only do so much and unfortunately for us all those normal top 6 teams that we have at home and looked beatable appear to be picking up.  We need something out of those games to stay up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 03, 2020, 10:20:44 AM
God knows.

I appreciate this is not very helpful or informative.

Anything could happen. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
Opposed to bottling it, Iíd say weíve done rather well against our relegation rivals;

6 from Norwich
4 from Brighton
4 from Burnley
3 from Everton*
3 from Newcastle*
3 from Watford
1 from West Ham*
0 from Bournemouth
0 from Southampton*

*2nd game still to play.



I wouldn't class Everton or Newcastle as relegation rivals to be honest.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on February 03, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
I can't bring myself to do this
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 10:45:11 AM
We need to be scraping some points, as West Ham get battered away at Liverpool and Man City, if they get cast adrift they'll lose all their confidence.  Then there's just one place to scrap it out to stay away from.  I wouldn't really want to have to go to West Ham and need a result to stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Up until a few weeks ago I still had Newcastle in my 3 for the drop.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nevillain on February 03, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
I donít care, as long as we are 17th or above. UTV
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 03, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
Too many draws (instead of wins) are usually the thing that hold us back. This season a lack of draws is holding us back. If we had 2-3 extra draws I wold be so mch more confident. That has been the frustrating thing this season -losing games we should have got a point from: Bournemouth at home, Palace away, Arsenal away etc.

I just wish we had that tiny bit more grit and nous. So frustrating.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2020, 12:05:40 PM
If SJM hadn't got injured we'd be on 29/30 points. His injury has had a massive impact. He inspires the whole team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on February 03, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
It's very hard to predict, I think it'll be really close for all the positions between 14th and 19th.   

Norwich, definitely going down.  Then at least 1 - and probably 2 - from us, Watford, and West Ham.

Either Bournemouth or Brighton as outside bets for relegation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 03, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.

I was aware West Ham had a tough run in but didn't know Bournemouth did too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
Bournemouth and Brighton outside bets? They've won 3 games between them in 20 matches.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on February 03, 2020, 12:57:08 PM
I've gone Norwich, Watford, Brighton out of hope more than anything else. We have to get a bit more solid at the back. At least we've got a few more bodies in than our rivals and got McGinn to come back as well. I am clutching at straws though.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 03, 2020, 01:05:28 PM
I wonder what are the odds this season of a team being relegated on goal difference? My guess is it's going to be very tight down there and I expect us to be in the middle of it unless there's a dramatic change.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
It's going to be an awful few weeks where us and West Ham try to be not quite as shite as the other team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 03, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
It's going to be an awful few weeks where us and West Ham try to be not quite as shite as the other team.

I've got this awful feeling it'll come down to a winner takes all game on the last day of the season, I'll get a ticket through my West Ham season ticket holder brother and be sat next to the biggest Essex type geezer in East London, feigning my disgust at every Villa goal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.

I was aware West Ham had a tough run in but didn't know Bournemouth did too.

Well there's 13 games left each so chances are everyone's got difficult run-ins!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on February 03, 2020, 03:15:35 PM
West Ham next games - ManCity & Liverpool away

Bournemouth have SheffUtd & Burnley, not "difficult" but not easy either

And Villa have Spurs then Saints.... well.....

We and Bournmouth might get a win or a couple of draws (ahem) in those two, but West Ham... nothing, unless thats the time for Liverpool's freaky loss...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Narwich
Boremouth
dead seagulls
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2020, 03:36:07 PM
SJM will save us

Be like a new superstar signing

This is what Im praying for
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
That bastard result on Saturday.  Still makes my pee boil.  Just imagine if we had won it - five points clear of the bottom three.  Massive even at this stage.  It is what we do but Christ just once I would like us to be boring and win a game expected of us and win without drama.  There was no excuse for that ineptitude on Saturday.   Billings had time to compare dread hairstyles with Tyrone before slotting home.

I think Bowen will give Spam a boost.  But, given their next two matches four points from Spuds and Southampton would do nicely.

4th bottom us.

Watford
Brighton
Norwich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: vilan461 on February 03, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
 ive gone for---Norwich Watford---and WHU  --but was really undecided about West Ham---it,ll be one of us Hammers and Bournemouth,i reckon.
that last game at West Ham could well be the deciding factor---but hopefully we will be safe by then----it might even boil down to goal difference----
hopefully the footballing Gods will smile favourably on The Famous ASTON VILLA

In the worst case scenario---how the hell would we cope back in The Championship? without possibly--Captain Jack SJM and Tyrone Mings?? i shudder with horror at the thought!! 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
What was the bottom three like this time last season - points wise?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.

Well for me being fine doesn't really fit with selling our best, most exciting player for a generation, and our other two players who it is mostly an absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
What was the bottom three like this time last season - points wise?


(https://i.ibb.co/C9vBLP7/Screenshot-72.png)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 03, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
Similar. One side a bit adrift, 15-17 all within a 'win' of dropping into the bottom three. But crucially, that was still the bottom three 13 games later. Can't we declare?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.

Agreed but it will become a reality.  I just don't think it will be the usual Armageddon scenario if we do go.  I would hate it.

Well for me being fine doesn't really fit with selling our best, most exciting player for a generation, and our other two players who it is mostly an absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
That's really interesting, we're doing ok then really aren't we? The standard seems to have improved across the board.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 05:23:55 PM
2017/18

(https://i.ibb.co/yfYJZyr/Screenshot-73.png)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Interesting that only one position has changed in the bottom three the last two seasons.  Southampton for Stoke.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 03, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 03, 2020, 08:12:03 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

Fair.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 16, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
Everton and Arsenal removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 23, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
Burnley and Southampton removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

£12 ? Daylight robbery
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on February 23, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
141 people voted, and 140 have Norwich for the drop.  So which of you is the lunatic who thinks the Canaries are turning into Liverpool this week?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DB on February 23, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)


You still have your Villa / Cleveland Browns scarf ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 23, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
I have, found it when me and my wife were moving around some stuff in the shed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 23, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

we may well be
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on February 24, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)


You still have your Villa / Cleveland Browns scarf ?
Iíve still got mine in Oz
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 25, 2020, 08:50:15 AM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 26, 2020, 04:58:22 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us, are in worse form than us and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb from limb are probably worse off than we are.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2020, 05:06:05 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us, are in worse form than us and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb from limb are probably worse off than we are.
I suppose it depends what span of games you're talking about.  Over the last three, we have the worst form in the division.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 26, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
West Ham have been shit for 5 months, I have little doubt the majority of their fans are more worried than we are.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
I'm not naive enough to think everything in the garden is rosy, but we're heading in to March in 17th which is where we'd like to finish. It's not a bad state of affairs. Obviously we'd all like to have amassed 40 points already so that we could afford to lose the rest of our games but that was never going to happen.

We have bad matches and good matches, and bad periods in good matches. If we're only as good as our last fixture, then yes, we're in big trouble, but we're not are we? We've shown in a number of matches that we're better than that, even if we're prone to fuck a few things up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 26, 2020, 07:13:12 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JJ-AV on February 27, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Yeah I agree with Risso there. We've signed probably 5 players in the Summer who weren't up to it. Had one of those been a hit we'd probably be a handful of points higher up.

Similarly, most who've watched us use the word naive, a lack of nous has cost us points. That comes from recruitment (i.e. lacking experience) and style. We haven't managed to develop a more robust approach to gain us an extra handful of points to give us some breathing space.

Smith's done a very good job overall but this season, particularly the last 3 months or so I have started to wonder about his methods, particularly with the persistence of problems. Specifically - shots conceded, the inability of the midfield to track runners and the fact we so rarely play the early ball in to the front-man.

I still back Smith and think if we go down we should stick with him. However, if we stay up, there may be a decision to be made too...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 27, 2020, 01:31:35 PM
Yeah I agree with Risso there. We've signed probably 5 players in the Summer who weren't up to it. Had one of those been a hit we'd probably be a handful of points higher up.


Recruitment is tough though. You look at even a team that are doing well, like Sheffield United, and itís not like that many of their summer signings have been major successes so far. Callum Robinson has even been moved back out on loan already. And that was building from a much better position that we were in and knowing that they would be promoted a fair bit earlier.

Donít completely disagree with your point, and Iím not saying the recruitment should be defined as a success, but given what we had to do I think it a bit harsh to think they could have done a lot better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AV82EC on February 27, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

I think we need to be careful here about this shots conceded stat as Iíd be intrigued to know how many were actually a clear cut chance to score? Iím not saying it irrelevant, it definitely isnít but like any stat how you construe it can be misleading.

Ultimately we are too open and naive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 01:50:39 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 27, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us (1), are in worse form than us (having played Man City and Liverpool away) and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb (see elements of the Dean Smith thread) from limb are probably worse off than we are.

I've added a bit of context in brackets.  We are matching West Ham stride for stride with shitness and I'd be less worried if the last game of the season was at home!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Don't forget to add that West Ham have won 3 league games in 5 months and once since Christmas.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on February 27, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

I've a horrible feeling Watford will get out of it, leaving two from Bournemouth, Brighton, WHU and us
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 27, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.

You were really expecting us to be 7th or higher? Because that's where you'd be with 40 points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 27, 2020, 04:29:10 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?

How does this relate to goal difference though? as currently 3rd worst with another 2 sides only 1 GD better
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2020, 04:55:28 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.

You were really expecting us to be 7th or higher? Because that's where you'd be with 40 points.

Who mentioned either 7th or a specific points total? FFS.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
I'm not naive enough to think everything in the garden is rosy, but we're heading in to March in 17th which is where we'd like to finish. It's not a bad state of affairs. Obviously we'd all like to have amassed 40 points already so that we could afford to lose the rest of our games but that was never going to happen.

We have bad matches and good matches, and bad periods in good matches. If we're only as good as our last fixture, then yes, we're in big trouble, but we're not are we? We've shown in a number of matches that we're better than that, even if we're prone to fuck a few things up.

Oh Risso, that's what you replied to.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 27, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
The way it stands right now, I think that's the way it will probably finish with certain conditions attached, so, West Ham, Watford, Norwich, to get relegated, I can't see West Ham getting anymore than 8 to 10 points from there remaining games, the vital game for Villa is Leicester, we need a point from that, 3 would be fantastic, somehow, I feel we can get a point from the Chelsea game, I've got us down for 3 points versus Newcastle Utd, I genuinely think we can beat Wolves for another 3 points, confident we can get a good result versus Palace for another 3 points, and then its down to the West Ham game, I have that down for another 3 points to give us 39 points in total, so the conditions, if we don't get at least points, from the Leicester and Chelsea games and West Ham win one more game than I am allowing for, then it will go right to the last game of the season us versus West Ham full on head to head, to stay up, that's how tight it is in my opinion.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?

How does this relate to goal difference though? as currently 3rd worst with another 2 sides only 1 GD better

Goal difference doesn't come into it, just the simple fact if you have the worst defence you get relegated (at least until now).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: charlatan on February 27, 2020, 10:22:43 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Has the most fouled team ever been relegated?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 11:58:02 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Has the most fouled team ever been relegated?

Probably.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on February 28, 2020, 06:24:54 AM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 28, 2020, 06:52:22 AM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

Closest answer so far, from skysports.com yesterday:

Quote
Smith joined Villa in 2018 after impressing in his development of the Brentford team - but he admits he has had to adapt his philosophy in his bid to keep the West Midlands club in the Premier League.

"I've learned an awful lot about going into games and thinking you can control the ball," he said. "With the quality of the players you've got, there are periods where you're not going to have it, and not to go chasing it so quickly.

"I'm one to go and win it back as quickly as possible but some of the quality within this league doesn't allow you to do that, and when they do beat that press they can get at your back-four or three very quickly, and it gives you problems.

"We've had to adapt as we've gone through the season but we've also lost some big players to injury, which has also made us adapt. But the players and myself have learned all the way through."
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2020, 07:16:25 AM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

Closest answer so far, from skysports.com yesterday:

Quote
Smith joined Villa in 2018 after impressing in his development of the Brentford team - but he admits he has had to adapt his philosophy in his bid to keep the West Midlands club in the Premier League.

"I've learned an awful lot about going into games and thinking you can control the ball," he said. "With the quality of the players you've got, there are periods where you're not going to have it, and not to go chasing it so quickly.

"I'm one to go and win it back as quickly as possible but some of the quality within this league doesn't allow you to do that, and when they do beat that press they can get at your back-four or three very quickly, and it gives you problems.

"We've had to adapt as we've gone through the season but we've also lost some big players to injury, which has also made us adapt. But the players and myself have learned all the way through."
Cheers Eamon. Not sure what they have learned.
But a huge problem is the ease with which we give the ball to the opposition and turnover Ball is the most dangerous.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 28, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 28, 2020, 04:04:43 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Border villan on February 28, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.

A win on Sunday will result in us being the only club to qualify for Europe before the big shutdown.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 28, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2020, 08:36:47 PM
Please tell me you are not being serious.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Reg Brown on February 28, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.

It would be great for us I must say.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 28, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
Please tell me you are not being serious.

Absolutely, watch how this all pans out, we can't fight this, the only chance we have is to contain it, you will see schools close, a huge part the workforce being told to work from home were possible, friend of mine has family in Japan and he is saying its really quite scary how they are looking at this and what they are planning to do, either this will spread rapidly in the UK within the coming days or it will be contained, time will tell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tuscans on February 28, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Jamie Carragher: ďThey symbolise football tradition in this country and the Premier League is in better shape for having them back. They (Aston Villa) are by far the biggest club in the Midlands and their stadium is one of my favourites. I am desperate for Villa to stay up.Ē
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 28, 2020, 10:20:22 PM
Norwich four points behind us now. Bloody lame Leicester. Bet they dont play that crap against us
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 28, 2020, 10:22:00 PM
Norwich four points behind us now. Bloody lame Leicester. Bet they dont play that crap against us

20% of their points total for the whole season behind us still, with only 10 games left to play, 1 less than us. Iíll not crap myself just yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
As I posted in another thread, Norwich winning is good for us as they play 4 other relegation contenders and if they are dead and buried more or less by the time they play them then it makes it much easier games for the opposition.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 28, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
We need to pull results out of the bag like Norwich have tonight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 29, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
Brighton seem quite a second rate team to me.
And some poorer players .
Just not capable of winning enough matches despite attempts at good football defensively they lose shape.

West Ham are a shambles and I think they are going to really struggle lacking confidence and tough fixtures.
I would have Southampton and Palace to both not to lose today and taking points off west ham and Brighton

I can see Villa finishing ahead of 4 teams
West ham
Brighton
Watford
Norwich

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The_ads on February 29, 2020, 12:44:56 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.


  Total and utter tripe
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 01:07:00 PM
Someone's been watching too much rolling news.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 29, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Splash down!  Bed wetting finds a new level.

Cancel the football season, nail crooked pieces of wood to the windows & call out the militia.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
I reckon we should all have our temperature tested before we walk in the ground tomorrow. It would be tremendous fun.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 29, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
I have a tin of chickpeas. PM for details.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2020, 01:30:16 PM
What next? Someone will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive-by shootings in the night, it'll be like "Boyz N The Hood" and we'll have whores selling their wares on the street and the pimps will be using crack to keep the whores under control, I'm going now to lock myself in the basement.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT Villan on February 29, 2020, 01:55:04 PM


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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 03:03:16 PM
Southampton give us a twatting and now rest Ings against West Ham?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
And fucking Jarrod Bowen scores....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
Why we didnt sign bowen and opted for trez is beyond me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
Watching chelsea vs bournmouth and bournmouth are playjng very well. Chelsea look woeful. Dont be suprised if they get something today either.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 29, 2020, 03:24:59 PM
Why we didnt sign bowen and opted for trez is beyond me.

He cost twice as much.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 03:31:33 PM
Sometimes it feels like a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
Saints 1-1!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:41:06 PM
2-1 shit goal keeping from saints. Bloody hell
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:46:01 PM
West ham showing some real passion fight and guts in thsi game. We need to show the same. Its such a shame we showed none of that last week and put in such a shambolic performance
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 04:14:22 PM
We're going down aren't we?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dazvillain on February 29, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
West Ham 3-1 up now and cherries beating Chelsea ffs !
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 04:17:21 PM
We're going down aren't we?

Your not allowed to say that or your being negative.

Its on the cards the teams around us showing fight while we show coward performances like Southampton.

Unless we improve we are going down
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2020, 04:20:40 PM
Weíve ridden our luck for weeks. No complaints
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on February 29, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
This day has been coming for some time. To be honest I was astonished we stayed out of the bottom 3 as long as we did.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on February 29, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
Bookies rarely get it wrong and we have been odds on for ages now.

Best chance is a pandemic...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 04:32:25 PM
Weíve ridden our luck for weeks. No complaints

Yep no one but ourselves to blame. The worst thing is the gap could be even bigger before our next league game as our game vs leicester is monday night.

No more bottle job saints performances
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dazvillain on February 29, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Agree and in fairness we couldnít produce performances against those around us but the ones around us are managing g to do it against teams in top third
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 05:03:25 PM
Aston Villa will have relegated Aston Villa if it happens.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 29, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
We have lost the last3 league games.
I donít see us getting many more points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on February 29, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Aston Villa will have relegated Aston Villa if it happens.

Exactly. That's why Southampton was so crucial. Just a shame the players didn't think the same on the day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 29, 2020, 05:11:17 PM
When will our game against t'Blades be rescheduled?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
Crystal Palace removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 29, 2020, 05:29:28 PM
I can see us finishing bottom of the table. We might get a win against Newcastle, if we turn up but apart from that I don't see us beating any of the rest.

Other teams are fighting for their lives while we have complete twats like El Khazi downing tools over a little graze.

Almost 8 months into our season and I still have no idea what Luiz actually does or what his position is?!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on February 29, 2020, 05:56:16 PM
I love that people on here are being positive and are full of hope.  Personally, I think we're in the bottom 3 to stay now as we can't get a tune out of the players and are nowhere near physically tough enough as a side to win enough games to stay up.  Lots of 'nearly' performances but ultimately, we have been our own worst enemies so far.  Hope for the best though as I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.




Me neither.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 29, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.




Me neither.
Nor me.
I know it was the Championship, but our 10 wins in a row streak started round now last season. A good omen for improved form, maybe???
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
We have lost the last3 league games.
I donít see us getting many more points.

I feel like a broken record but losing games we should be drawing is what is killing us. I am so pissed off with the lack of draws.

Call me old fashioned but I always believe being solid defensively is the number one priority. The Brian Little era is the best example of this. We won a lot of games 1-0 back then, or could grind out a 0-0 if we absolutely had to- the semi-final second leg against Arsenal sticks out. If you can draw 8 or 9 games a season you have a great chance of staying up.

Smith's style seems to be 'go for the win'. I just think our whole approach to this first season back has been all wrong. We were very open in the first 10-11 games and didn't get the points we needed. I wish there had been more emphasis on defence and grinding out the points.

Going down, losing Jack, Mings and McGinn would be some kick in the balls as far as I'm concerned. It is a very long time since we had players we could identify with and it could be a long wait again.

I guess I am just pissed off at our whole approach this season - and you know what the league cup run has really papered over a lot of cracks. If we go down it won't be any consolation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 29, 2020, 06:30:12 PM
I think as a club our set up in general, our ownership, chief executive, manager and playing staff and even the atmosphere amongst the players, around the club and amongst the fans is a million miles better than 1987 and 2016.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 06:33:19 PM
We need to win 4/5 games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 29, 2020, 06:41:00 PM
I donít want to be negative on the eve of a cup final but Iím very worried we wonít get the points needed to stay up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on February 29, 2020, 06:44:37 PM
Feels like that. Canít see us closing down games against good teams even if we get ahead. And canít see us out-battling teams at this end of the table. Just canít see where the wins are coming from.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on February 29, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Our lack of a quality midfield is the problem and iím not sure we can fix it with the players we have in the squad...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
We have really missed McGinn.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on February 29, 2020, 06:52:10 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:52:58 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 06:53:31 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on February 29, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
We begged for this. So many results have gone our way lately but weíve bottled every chance to get ourselves out of danger. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:58:50 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.

Players have let us down. The points tally going into this weekend was a disgrace, simply inviting teams to leapfrog us. You can't lose 3 games in a row, 2 of them most definitely winnable, and expect other teams won't take advantage.

This has been a shit season.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: phantom limb on February 29, 2020, 07:05:22 PM
You canít purely rely on being less shit than 3 other teams, we all know this from experience. I fully expected results to go against us this weekend while weíre not playing in the league, because thatís generally how it goes.

Whatever happens tomorrow, the players will have to step up and get some results by any means necessary.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:06:43 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3

All this game has shown is we're incredibly slow on the counter attack. This Sarr bloke has ripped Liverpool apart.

You need pace in the final third to beat the better teams. We had it in the MON days and our results v other top 6 were pretty good on the whole.

And to keep believing in what you're doing when 1 up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 29, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
3-0. Thatís some performance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
3-0.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: frank black on February 29, 2020, 07:13:16 PM
Well if it takes something to focus the players minds on the league after tomorrow, being overtaken should do it. Itís a weird feeling for me tonight, I have zero pre match nerves for tomorrowís game and almost zero expectations.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2020, 07:13:21 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3

All this game has shown is we're incredibly slow on the counter attack. This Sarr bloke has ripped Liverpool apart.

You need pace in the final third to beat the better teams. We had it in the MON days and our results v other top 6 were pretty good on the whole.

And to keep believing in what you're doing when 1 up.

Had Sarr played against us at Villa Park they'd have done us too. We dodged a huge bullet he was missing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
Watford doing all this despite losing one of their best players to injury in first half.

In any case think we'll have to accept likes of West Ham and Watford are likely to go into the distance now (perhaps not for West Ham with some of their fixtures).

Brighton and Bournemouth are still in this big time. Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit. Brighton have Wolves, Arsenal, Leicester and Man. United as their next four and their goals have dried up. They also face Man. City and Liverpool (o.k maybe not so tough now) at home late in the season.

Need to try and reel in one of those teams and also Newcastle.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: purpletrousers on February 29, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.

This. I sit here at a very sweaty 22.03 in a far off land initially not believing that score could be.

My only hope that being one off the bottom shakes some players and the club to the core, that they perform as they can tomorrow and somehow carry that form through. If we donít stand up to be counted now...

I just shared my dismay with Brian my brother in laws Ďhouse boyí. He told me itís 3-0. Oh dear.
And my data is run out so theyíll be 4-0 by the time I post this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:19:40 PM
Reel them in by winning our game in hand and going above most of the aforementioned and being level with Brighton.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:20:19 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
West ham and watford showing fight and passion. Take a note villa boys you need ti start doing the same if you want to stay up

But concentrate on tomorrow for now use this as motivation tomorrow.nothing is impossible
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on February 29, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Unbelievable weekend.  Bottom three all winning, despite two of them playing 1st and 3rd.

Well, we know what we have to do, we need some big results in matches we're not expected to do well in. Do that, or we go down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:24:01 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.

I believe the error Engels made is a symptom of everything wrong this season. The first instinct should have been to stick his boot through that ball and boot it into the stand. They aren't being drilled to think like that. They are being drilled, it appears, to control it and play nice football.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 29, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
It's no good keep hoping other teams are going to be reeled in. A week or two back, people on here were making out Palace were in free fall. Then it's Newcastle, but they will grind out draws or the odd win because they are better organised in defence.

We have failed to win enough of the 'must win' games like those in December and more recently Brighton, Bournemouth and Southampton. Worse still though is the abject failure against the teams in the top half.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 29, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
Also Brighton have won just once since the start of December and we still haven't reeled them in.

Smith needs to get the team playing a whole lot better and quickly, starting tomorrow. I am not hopeful.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 29, 2020, 07:30:17 PM
We need to win 4/5 games.

We've won 7 games all season and 4 since the end of October. We've put in two convincing displays since August, Everton and Norwich away.

It isn't happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 29, 2020, 07:30:39 PM
Lack of effort and not being up for the scrap has got Villa into this position. I said before that the League Cup would prove to be a distraction. Simply have to win the game in hand now. At least SJM should be back for the run-in....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on February 29, 2020, 07:30:43 PM
Iím afraid that the do nothing option wonít keep us up but looks exactly whatís going to to happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
We could easily go into the Leicester game just 2 points from safety and with two games in hand. Yes, itís been terrible for us results-wise today but we arenít dead yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:32:26 PM
I fear for us now. Every other team seems capable of competing with top end teams.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 07:33:22 PM
The fat lady is in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Monty on February 29, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
Look, it's monumentally horrible, but if we win our game in hand we'll still be in safety just. Still. Fuck me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Look, it's monumentally horrible, but if we win our game in hand we'll still be in safety just. Still. Fuck me.

That will require beating a team in the top 10. We have to start winning those fucking games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:40:10 PM
Then let's start tomorrow and carry it on a week Monday and the Saturday after.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
It's no good keep hoping other teams are going to be reeled in. A week or two back, people on here were making out Palace were in free fall. Then it's Newcastle, but they will grind out draws or the odd win because they are better organised in defence.

We have failed to win enough of the 'must win' games like those in December and more recently Brighton, Bournemouth and Southampton. Worse still though is the abject failure against the teams in the top half.



Ultimately the one thing that remains out of our hands is what is needed to stay up. If it's 38 or above then we have next to no chance. At the moment even getting to 35 points feels a long shot but we've seen before one win can change the whole mindset.

If Bournemouth and Brighton fail to get to 35 points that would help a huge amount. Still a chance neither will. Brighton still have worse form than us over last two months.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
Then let's start tomorrow and carry it on a week Monday and the Saturday after.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:52:52 PM
Beats the alternatives.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 29, 2020, 07:53:21 PM
Unbelievable set of results today, any real prediction of the teams previous below us have vanished, the unthinkable has become very much the reality, Bournemouth pulled of a decent result at home to Chelsea and it was still not good enough to keep them out of the drop zone, the fact that Watford have just hammered arguably the best team in the world is just the stuff of fantasy, I really thought Southampton had enough to get a point from West Ham, quite incredible, not forgetting last nights result for Norwich, we simply can't allow Leicester to beat us next week, you could legitimately claim its a bigger game than the final tomorrow.     
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Leicester is a far, far bigger game than the cup final. We didn't really need the distraction of a cup run in our first season back.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:57:26 PM
Well we're in it now and it wont be much of a distraction either way come half 6ish tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 29, 2020, 07:58:12 PM
33 points to play for and plenty of twists and turns to come. Plenty of belief and support is required. Come on the Villa! VTID!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 29, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
Leicester is a far, far bigger game than the cup final. We didn't really need the distraction of a cup run in our first season back.

Before today I would have said a good result or even a good performance against Man City could probably have set us up for maybe a decent run in our relegation battle, after today we need to focus fully on the Premiership, this could well be a  distraction and lets hope we don't pick up any serious injuries. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
Aston Villa need to be in the premier league. It is where we belong and it is where the money is. It is where we have to be if we are to have any chance of keeping Jack.

In the grand scheme of things that's why I made the comment about the cup being a distraction and being something more suited to a season when we are an established top flight club again.

If we go down, that will have been 4 out of 5 seasons we will have been out of the top flight and that is grim for a club our size.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on February 29, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
Just means we've got to show some belief and start doing it for ourselves, we can't rely on everyone else losing all the time. We have shown at various times this season that we are capable, still lots to play for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
We still need 12-14 points, nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 29, 2020, 08:24:04 PM
I find it a little annoying that we demand a never say die attitude and spirit and anything less is not good enough or called having no heart and then as soon as results turn against us some of the same people wave the white flag and say with a quarter of the season left that it's already done and dusted.

Every single fixture we are capable of getting a result from. We've been firmly reminded that non are no chance, write off games, other teams are their to fight, for every point. We have to be in the same mindset too. Non of this bullshit about it's going to be the game against those around us spouted by even the manager. Every single game will decide if we are back playing QPR on a Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 08:27:38 PM
Agreed. There's a very brittle mentality.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
Aston Villa need to be in the premier league. It is where we belong and it is where the money is. It is where we have to be if we are to have any chance of keeping Jack.

In the grand scheme of things that's why I made the comment about the cup being a distraction and being something more suited to a season when we are an established top flight club again.

If we go down, that will have been 4 out of 5 seasons we will have been out of the top flight and that is grim for a club our size.
Getting to cup finals is also very important to a club like Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 29, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
I thought all Tuesday night Championship games were traditionally played oop north?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 29, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 08:43:09 PM
Agreed. There's a very brittle mentality.

Players or fans? And who gets paid not to be?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 29, 2020, 09:03:39 PM
Awful set of results but itís that time of the year where strange results start to happen. Weíve just got to make sure we are amongst them. Chelsea, Arsenal, Palace, Sheffield Utd and Man Utd all at home. All perfectly winnable. Leicester and Newcastle have both hit the wall. Everton have nothing to play for and Wolves have Europa league.  Maybe even West Ham will have nothing to play for if them morphing into Brazil 70 comes to pass.

Itís still all on our own hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:10:38 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 29, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
We are a huge bunch of pussies. We don't have the guts for the fight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on February 29, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 29, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
My biggest hope is that if we do go down, we still have 30k season ticket holders and a waiting list.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on February 29, 2020, 09:32:24 PM
Gentlemen we are rather fucked....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 29, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.

I believe the error Engels made is a symptom of everything wrong this season. The first instinct should have been to stick his boot through that ball and boot it into the stand. They aren't being drilled to think like that. They are being drilled, it appears, to control it and play nice football.

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).

Aside from one to two players...so only the ten to twenty percent of a match day team then.  We're not good enough in most matches with everybody firing on all cylinders, so god knows how you expect us to do with two of them not pulling their weight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:35:15 PM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on February 29, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).

Aside from one to two players...so only the ten to twenty percent of a match day team then.  We're not good enough in most matches with everybody firing on all cylinders, so god knows how you expect us to do with two of them not pulling their weight.

I meant drinkwater and davis
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brontebilly on February 29, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
Brighton and Newcastle failing to win gives some hope. Saw a bit of West Ham earlier, as nervous as they were at least they showed a bit of fight and physicality. It was enough to beat Southampton.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on February 29, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
If nothing else, the fact that sheff utd has been postponed give mcginn the chance to play in it...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: supertom on February 29, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
Fuck sake Liverpool. As nailed on a banker as you could want. You'd have put your ruddy house on them winning comfortably...
West Ham and Watford deciding to win the weekend we're off to Wembley. Bloody football. Still...if Watford can beat Liverpool (and even Sloth can score a goal against a side that isn't us), it gives us hope for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 29, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Nowt is changing for a week now.

See you then. Meanwhile I'm off to bed, need it to prepare for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 01, 2020, 12:45:19 AM
We are 3 points from safety with a game in hand. We have 33 points to play for. Thats still a long, long way to go with plenty of twists and turns left. It really is still all about what we do.

Norwich, Bournemouth and Newcastle to get relegated (remember where you heard it first).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 01, 2020, 02:05:37 AM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Sad but very true. Maybe it was the start of the season that Dean thought he was onto something? He wasn't. It's been shite!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 01, 2020, 08:07:11 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 01, 2020, 08:49:40 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.
Norwich have been playing well, West Ham put in a great performance yesterday and Watford beat Liverpool.
Look at our form.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 01, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.

I think thats down to the fight these trams are showing recently compared to us.

We showed a lot of heart and passion earlier in in the season and now it seems to have gone.

If we get that back we have a chance for sure
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 01, 2020, 10:52:27 AM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Seeing as I am getting stick for my comment we would have an extra point if Engels' instinct was to just boot the fucking ball into row z with about 15 seconds on the clock.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: purpletrousers on March 01, 2020, 10:59:02 AM
Thatís true but we could single out every clanger this season, there have been plenty, if only X had/not done Y weíd have Z more points. Either way itís done and we can only contribute by supporting and not getting on their backs before and during games. Interesting comments in the write up about the Watford fans doing exactly that yesterday, *supporting* and not getting at players mistakes.
Iím glad the racist we got kicked out after the Newcastle game has gone, the sort of toxic Ďsupportí a club just doesnít need, constantly getting at our own players. Of course people pay their money and there is free speech, but Iíll never get how easily some fans turn on their players when it could make things worse.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Iím hoping thereís one thing weíre all going to agree on, our level is going to have to go up quite a bit and weíre going to have to be much more resilient. Hopefully it can happen, but if we continue at our current level weíll get relegated.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on March 01, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
Disastrous weekend. Little chance of avoiding relegation in my (often wrong) humble opinion.

Letís hope we go down with dignity, not the wimper of last time.

Some dark days ahead for our glorious club Iím afraid.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 01, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 02, 2020, 05:35:15 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 02, 2020, 05:48:35 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 02, 2020, 06:11:55 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.

Very true.

It would be difficult for anyone to say that Palace or West Ham are unbeatable. We've already beaten Everton, Newcastle and Leicester from the teams we've still to play so we certainly can beat them. Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal are all wildly inconsistent so who knows? There are plenty of points to be had there if we are at it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2020, 09:05:51 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
The worrying thing is we play monday night and the gap could be extended further. Lets hope for skme luck results wise.

Leicester are gunnibg fir us after we beat them but they ahve hit a bit if a purple patch at the mo.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on March 02, 2020, 09:25:20 AM
They've drawn 2 and lost 2 of their last 4 games since we beat them in the cup.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 02, 2020, 09:30:20 AM
We need a big result at Leicester.  Like Double Diamond, it would work wonders.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 09:30:34 AM
They've drawn 2 and lost 2 of their last 4 games since we beat them in the cup.

Vardy isnt fit and when he dont play well Leicester tend to struggle.  I personally think we can get something if we show yesterdays team performance.  If its the ine against Southampton we will get tonked.

Id take a point if offered now
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 02, 2020, 10:03:59 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.

This is the key. I think we have shown enough times that we are capable of competing against any team in the league (yesterday, Liverpool at home, Leicester twice in the cup) but also that we can throw in utterly abject performances (Bournemouth, Southampton, Watford).

If we can have some sort of consistency in our performances to somewhere near the level that we are capable of playing to we should be fine.

Obviously, this also applies to the teams around us. Feels worse as this was a bad weekend where everyone picked up points. But the other teams in the bottom eight picked up a whole one point combined just the weekend before.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 10:05:14 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

Hopefully it was at a top secret meeting with the Premier League, the referees and copious amounts of money in brown envelopes.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
Chelsea to me is going to be like Spurs.

Team with injuries (looks like Tammy is out) and they must be close to conceding as many goals from corners as we are so that's something for Samatta to exploit.

Like any major team they have good players in attacking midfield and final third but don't think they have the pace of what Spurs did.

Can see it being tight (think Chelsea have won only won twice by two goal margin at VP in 20 years) so we really need to get on the right side of the margins e.g. none of our CBs making ridiculous error in the 94th minute and think we'll get at least a draw from it as Bournemouth did at the weekend.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
Let's not forget John McGinn being back for last 11 games - he could just inspire us similar to Jack's return around this time last year.....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
He won't be starting all of those games and will need time to build his match fitness up. Could still score a crucial goal or two in the run in from April but I wouldn't be expecting miracles straight away.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2020, 01:25:13 PM
Would you sign Daniel Sturridge to help the cause? Heís a free agent now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AV82EC on March 02, 2020, 01:42:12 PM
No
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villadelph on March 02, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
Anyone elseís coworkers particularly annoying today?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

they are my picks too
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 03:31:49 PM
Anyone elseís coworkers particularly annoying today?

No more so than they are on every other single day of my miserable existence.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: supertom on March 02, 2020, 04:25:37 PM
I honestly don't know where the next win comes from.
Leicester - 1pt
Newcastle - 1pt

The two I think we've got the best chance in are Sheffield Utd and Palace. We need to win both, but are we likely to win both?

Chelsea - 1pt (but looking at our record against top 6, it almost feels an inevitable loss)
West Ham - 1pt.
Wolves - 1pt.

At my most optimistic. I think we're looking somewhere between 33 points and 38 (if we can pull of a couple of surprises). 33 won't be enough. 38, by a shade, might be.
Not bricking it...not bricking it at all... :'(

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 04:31:58 PM
have to say I thought we were down after the weekendís results not going our way

but after the final my hopes have been raised again
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
He won't be starting all of those games and will need time to build his match fitness up. Could still score a crucial goal or two in the run in from April but I wouldn't be expecting miracles straight away.

You mean like Jack's thunderbolt against Derby on his return after 4 months out?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bobby Boy on March 02, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 02, 2020, 05:27:33 PM
I'm not convinced Jack's problem was just cramp.  If he's picked up a knock and is out for any period of time, I'd say that's us done and dusted.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 05:54:47 PM
I'm not convinced Jack's problem was just cramp.  If he's picked up a knock and is out for any period of time, I'd say that's us done and dusted.

Smith was quoted in the B'ham Mail saying it was just cramp....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 02, 2020, 06:40:20 PM
Deulofeu out for the rest of the season. That will hurt Watford.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on March 02, 2020, 06:46:52 PM
I honestly don't know where the next win comes from.
Leicester - 1pt
Newcastle - 1pt

The two I think we've got the best chance in are Sheffield Utd and Palace. We need to win both, but are we likely to win both?

Chelsea - 1pt (but looking at our record against top 6, it almost feels an inevitable loss)
West Ham - 1pt.
Wolves - 1pt.

At my most optimistic. I think we're looking somewhere between 33 points and 38 (if we can pull of a couple of surprises). 33 won't be enough. 38, by a shade, might be.
Not bricking it...not bricking it at all... :'(



It's hard to pick results , as we get closer to end of the season we are going to play teams with differing motivations.An example we could play Liverpool who are champions and having lost the the unbeaten record who knows what performance they will  put in , add that they may rest players for CL

Palace could be safe and have little to play for

Leicester are dropping off and could be without Vardy again , their record of the last month or so inc the cup games against us have been pretty average.

The final one is West Ham , we could go there needing to stay up playing a team now safe coasting on their final home game of the season or a team battling to stay up with us ...

It's a cliche but really need to take each game as it comes now
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2020, 07:02:53 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: frank black on March 02, 2020, 07:14:48 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂

First team to come to mind for some reason after this comment wasnít us. It was Leeds, after they finally look like promotion certainties 😂
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on March 02, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
Ironic that a recurring problem in recent years has been too many draws and we may get relegated because we didnít get enough of the buggers.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2020, 08:37:29 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

On the after game show on beinsports, he talked about the teams facing relegation and said it was crazy for teams fighting to stay up to play out from the back as it put too much pressure on defenders and said if the ball is in the opposition half there is no danger.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 08:39:29 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

On the after game show on beinsports, he talked about the teams facing relegation and said it was crazy for teams fighting to stay up to play out from the back as it put too much pressure on defenders and said if the ball is in the opposition half there is no danger.

Thanks for that.

I said something similar about the Engels mistake against Spurs and some didn't take too kindly!

More seriously, I agree, safety first should be the mantra when in our position.Grind out some points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on March 02, 2020, 09:18:29 PM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2020, 04:29:31 AM
What did Engels mistake against Spurs had to do with playing out from the back?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Scovilla on March 03, 2020, 06:35:12 AM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.


When is he expected to return?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2020, 06:59:53 AM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.


When is he expected to return?

Another 2 weeks away.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
What did Engels mistake against Spurs had to do with playing out from the back?

Because he tried to trap a ball out of the sky instead of giving it a great big welly back from whence it came?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on March 03, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
I know it was gutting losing the cup final, but in a cruel way itís given me a bit of belief now that we can stop up. Honestly expected to get annihilated in the final, but we dug in and couldíve easily taken it to extra time, but for the tip onto the post. Game on after that. Hopefully it gives the whole squad and management the belief we can do it (if they ever lacked it).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 03, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2020, 08:42:30 AM
Here's an article that paints the (rather obvious) picture for us.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/02/aston-villa-take-heart-race-against-time-premier-league#comment-138645538
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

That would be arbitrary.

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cumbriavilla on March 03, 2020, 09:15:03 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
But we have a game in hand...that would be unfair.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

That would be arbitrary.

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
Suggestion is now games to be played behind close doors.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 03, 2020, 01:25:29 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

Given that we're looking at probably 12 months before there's a widely available vaccine, calling a cut-off of this season now would be a bit daft when chances are you still couldn't start a new one in August anyway. It'd be weird, and the world would become a very peculiar place to the likes of us lot, but the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2020, 04:23:35 PM

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
That is an excellent, fair and just criteria. No one will argue against that. If you change your name to Dickdistard Distard E you will be eminently qualified to be the next General Secretary of the United Nations.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ian c. on March 03, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Taylor on March 03, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
Why not give the decision on relegation to a trusted, valued member of the British establishment. Let's say, ooh I don't know, Prince William.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 04, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! Thatís typical.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 04, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! That’s typical.
Yep, just like Manure that year when Van Persie scored all those offside goals!!
As long as 'The Mighty Reds YNWA''s collapse doesn't continue against Bournemouth!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! Thatís typical.

I know. Even if they win all four the firat home game as champions will be against us. Hopefully they drop more points before then so they can win the titke by tine we play them.

But i definitely wont be watching if there is any remote chance of them being champs. Cant stomach the sky wankfest
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 04, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.

There's no answer that allows everyone to simply carry on as usual. This either gets taken seriously and whatever is decided as the best course of action for the country is applicable to everyone and everything, or it isn't. Like you, ian, I can't see a middle ground.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on March 04, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.

There's no answer that allows everyone to simply carry on as usual. This either gets taken seriously and whatever is decided as the best course of action for the country is applicable to everyone and everything, or it isn't. Like you, ian, I can't see a middle ground.

The question is - what would all those fans do if not at the match? - the answer would probably be in a more infectious environment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2020, 01:47:57 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Selling live bats in Wuhan market? *






* yes yes yes, I know, it didn't really start that way.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: fredm on March 04, 2020, 04:24:16 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Numerous pockets of supporters crammed into public houses, watching the matches on television, and pushing past one another to reach the bar/toilets/outside for a fag.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: russon on March 04, 2020, 06:34:56 PM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Indeed, a prospect to fair curdle the blood and well and truly put a tin hat on our season. At least the away supportís vomathon will make it in the Guinness Book of Records, small consolation but Iím desperate to leave this season with a positive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Selling live bats in Wuhan market? *






* yes yes yes, I know, it didn't really start that way.

It did, didn't it?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Leicester looking really poor against blose.

Johnny evans looks like he has picked up a bad injury
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
Imagine us getting relegated while the games are played behind closed doors..... talk about depressing as f**k
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
Overall good set of results today. We need to capitalise now and take advantage.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 07, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......


We couldn't have asked for much better from todays games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 07, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......


We couldn't have asked for much better from todays games.

Agree, apart from Newcastle losing instead of Southampton... But that's being really picky.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2020, 05:21:31 PM
Would've liked Brighton to lose aswell as they have a very tough run in.

Overall though it's important points needed to finish 17th stays as low as possible. If 35 is what is needed we still have a pretty good chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Brighton are more a direct rival than Noocassil and I expected Wolves to beat them, so even though it was a draw, that was the one blemish on results today.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 07, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
Much  better day today. 2 points from safety with 2 games in hand.

Right now, would be delighted with a point on Monday and would then target a point against Chelsea. A point at Newcastle wouldn't be bad if we then go all out to beat Palace and Sheff Utd at home. Can see us raising our game against Wolves also...

I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

We can do this if we become a little bit harder to beat.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 07, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

Yes. Tap it around for 89 minutes pretending to be playing for the draw and then score in the last minute to send them down. I like this idea.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 07, 2020, 05:47:40 PM
I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

I'll take that providing we beat them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on March 07, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
Newcastle removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 07, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
It has always been in our own hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2020, 06:49:41 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
It has always been in our own hands.


I know have an unpleasant ear worm of the Nottingham Forest team singing 'We Got The Whole World In Our Hands'.

"And Peter the keeper with nothing to do...."
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on March 07, 2020, 06:57:09 PM
We just need to pull of an Ďunexpected Ď win against one of the top teams. Leicester would do for a start.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 07, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
2 games in hand if we win those we really do have a excellent chance.

A point would be a great result for us.  We have to show fight heart and passion now like we did against citeh.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 07, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

The good thing is SJM will play in the rearranged games. He's been sorely missed since that injury.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 07, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
Much  better day today. 2 points from safety with 2 games in hand.

Right now, would be delighted with a point on Monday and would then target a point against Chelsea. A point at Newcastle wouldn't be bad if we then go all out to beat Palace and Sheff Utd at home. Can see us raising our game against Wolves also...

I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

We can do this if we become a little bit harder to beat.

Quite a few posters on various threads keep mentioning Sheff Utd game one to target for a win. I think this is based on nothing other than there called Sheff Utd. Form wise, I think itíll be one of our toughest games, there good at home and better away. I actually fancy us against Chelsea, Man Utd and arsenal more than Sheff Utd.

Given that Southampton have now lost 5 out of the last 6, our result/performance a couple of weeks ago looks even worse now. But we played ok last week and showed heart which will be really important for coming weeks. I just really hope we turn up on Monday. Without stupidly gun ho, we need to take some risks now, we need wins and the quicker the better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 07, 2020, 10:14:06 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

Let's be honest our record hasn't been good full stop this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robleflaneur on March 08, 2020, 12:54:43 AM
It's  been the teams that scrap and battle and relatively defensively solid teams that have escaped the relegation dogfight,Palace,Burnley and Newcastle-first goal in 7 hrs, are midtable but rarely produce scintillating performances.An indictement of the quality of this league.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on March 08, 2020, 01:10:58 AM
The bottom of this league. The top is a world away, although we best Leicester and should have taken Man City to extra time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on March 08, 2020, 08:46:32 AM
Good results for us yesterday. Taking advantage of them is the difficult thing. To be honest I'd rather be in west hams place than ours.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 08, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

I like to work these things out and have these dates as potential for the 2 rearranged matches

Wednesday 1st April
Tuesday Wednesday April 7th/8th
Tuesday or Wednesday April 14/15th
Wednesday or Thursday April 22nd /23rd
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday May 5th May 6th/7th

Some other dates could come into play if Liverpool European qualified and that match gets changed on the Easter day same we also have to consider to factor in Man Utd at home too.
And that rearranged could be dependent on their Fa Cup and then Europa League commitments.

I think Sheff United - 1st April /8th April
And Newcastle Utd -around 8th/14th April

Man Utd 22nd /23rd April
Or made final home game on 12th or 13th may

Those are my educated guess' though premier league does like to group rearranged  matches together for a midweek programme in May . Maybe they will do it in April?

Happens every season however I don't think should be putting Sheffield Utd match back till may maybe Newcastle though they have to play rearranged match with Man City as well whatever happens in the Fa Cup.
So I'll put up those dates all things considered.
No official announcement of course but I can only give you what I think
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 08, 2020, 09:21:17 AM
Good results for us yesterday. Taking advantage of them is the difficult thing. To be honest I'd rather be in west hams place than ours.

Literally i would never trade Villa park for that London stadium ??? ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on March 08, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Let's hope Liverpool continue to be flat when we play them, Wolves are knackered from their European adventures and Man United have all their eggs in one basket in terms of the FA Cup. I will take any old straw to grab at.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 08, 2020, 02:45:55 PM
I think 37 points would keep us up. Average a point a game from now to the end of the season.

That's why I think draws in our next two would be good results providing we get something at Newcastle and target 3 wins from: Palace at home, Sheff Utd at home, Wolves at home, Man U at home and Arsenal at home.

Would take the pressure off the West Ha, game.

Such a shame we lost our last 3 games. If we had a point or two more on the board, 2 more wins with a pile of draws might just be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richie on March 08, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
Looking at the run ins of the other teams compared to ours, Iím seriously fearing the worst. They look to have winnable games whereas youíd have to say we are odds against in all remaining 11 matches. Brighton look to have a shocking run in but the extra 4 points they currently have on us looks crucial. We desperately need to pick up points against Leicester and Chelsea to give ourselves a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 12:33:20 AM
-Have opposition as much distraction as possible with European matches Liverpool Wolves and Man utd. Like it or not root for theses teams to go far .

-which teams  don't have such motivation to play for something in the league
So arguably  Crystal Palace , Everton  Arsenal , Newcastle match could be the main targets for the 3 wins .
And those scamps Liverpool. Who we need to still be in European competition as our Easter fixture falls in the middle of their quarter finals. And hopefully they have the league.

Now the others such as Chelsea , Sheff Utd, Wolves , Man Utd are all champions league chasers with this 5th place stuff.
Though it will be interesting when the matches get rearranged.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 12:43:05 AM
I think 37 points would keep us up. Average a point a game from now to the end of the season.

That's why I think draws in our next two would be good results providing we get something at Newcastle and target 3 wins from: Palace at home, Sheff Utd at home, Wolves at home, Man U at home and Arsenal at home.

Would take the pressure off the West Ha, game.

Such a shame we lost our last 3 games. If we had a point or two more on the board, 2 more wins with a pile of draws might just be enough.

Villa can stay up by just winning 2 more matches and having  3 or 4 or 5 or 6 draws.
That gives 36-39pts total which would be  enough to survive
Obviously more wins than draws would see safety quicker..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 07:59:38 AM
Dont want to be negative but trying to stay up with a empty stadium at villa park doesnt inspire me with much confidence.

We know what a key role the fans play at villa park
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
But on the other hand, we might have a better chance at an empty West Ham ground if the last game of the season proves vital.

Would be pretty rubbish if games get played behind closed doors starting this weekend, admittedly, as we would be the most disadvantaged team in the entire league. Only Man City have played as few home games as us, and they host Arsenal on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 09, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Might also help us pick up points away though which weíll need. Iím watching Juve v Inter and itís weird to hear the players shout for each other (although I donít know any Italian).

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
They should ahve done this when it was first reported it is a little bit late as the spreads got pretty bad
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
France have also banned meetings of more than a thousand people, so effectively meaning games will have to be played behind closed doors. Olympiacos' game against Wolves is being played in an empty stadium, too. Although, if you give them a few years, Wolves will still be claiming that they took 70,000 fans there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2020, 10:28:47 AM
France have also banned meetings of more than a thousand people, so effectively meaning games will have to be played behind closed doors. Olympiacos' game against Wolves is being played in an empty stadium, too. Although, if you give them a few years, Wolves will still be claiming that they took 70,000 fans there.

It's a shame they can't just close two stands, they'd feel right at home then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 10:41:58 AM
They could close two and have one fifty yards from the pitch. Would mean there was less chance of players catching it from the fans, too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
They could close two and have one fifty yards from the pitch. Would mean there was less chance of players catching it from the fans, too.

They could restrict the crowd to about 3500 as well, and force the other fans to follow the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd.

Like they did in the eighties.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 09, 2020, 05:56:22 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)




I have just seen the front page of the Sun's 'Goals' pull out from Saturday whilst waiting in the Indian takeaway. Apparently some number crunchers have calculated the mathematical chances of the struggling teams to go down.

Southampton 1% chance of going down
Newcastle 5%
West Ham 27%
Watford 30%
Brighton 41%
Villa 54%
Bournemouth 54%
Norwich 88%
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2020, 05:58:49 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)




I have just seen the front page of the Sun's 'Goals' pull out from Saturday whilst waiting in the Indian takeaway. Apparently some number crunchers have calculated the mathematical chances of the struggling teams to go down.

Southampton 1% chance of going down
Newcastle 5%
West Ham 27%
Watford 30%
Brighton 41%
Villa 54%
Bournemouth 54%
Norwich 88%
That looks about right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on March 09, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
Just watching us playing Leicester. Forget all the stats and probabilities etc, weíre going down. Neither the players nor the manager has any clue how to fight this. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on March 09, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Fuck smith out of the club. Nice bloke but no clear plan whatsoever. Even Bruce would have gotten us stable. Yet another shit appointment and to those who will jump on me about promotion and a cup final, neither went to plan did they? Fuck him off and get inevitable rebuild underway. This is embarrassing now and we deserve to drop
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Feels like we gift the opposition at least 1 goal every game now. It's one thing to be outplayed, it's another to keep making pathetic individual mistakes that would see players booted out from the Bromsgrove side.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 09:07:05 PM
Smith and Terry should have been sacked in December.

You have to be ruthless in football, no room for sentiment. The players were clearly demoralised by the shite points total despite being in most games in the first quarter of the season.

Since then morale and form have fallen apart.

Joke.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villabear on March 09, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Talking to mates just after Christmas and put the idea of sacking Smith as we were going down in my opinion. I said with all the money at stake give (please forgive me) Sam Allardyce the job on a short term contract till the end of the season to try and keep us up.

Iíve no idea if heíd be any better with these players but Iím no more positive about our plight now than a few weeks ago.

ps. Feel a bit dirty even mentioning it but...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 09:19:08 PM
Most clubs in our position would have gone for Big Sam.

Everton haven't been relegated for that reason. How many others?

Why do villa think it's not worth doing fucking everything you can to try stay up?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on March 09, 2020, 09:25:13 PM
It's Norwich, us, and one other.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on March 09, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
We're going aren't we. We're laughably poor.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Given the last decade I had the feeling the Son Heung Min goal would really impact on us and well it's not looking good, two awful away performances since in the league. That goal effectively relegated us.

Probably be huff and puff v Chelsea on Saturday but it's a stretch to see us even winning two more games this season and we won't be close to staying up if we even manage that.

I still think DS will be here in August but going down with a real whimper will put a serious question mark on that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2020, 09:38:39 PM
First time i've thought we're fucked. We look a team that's already done.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
We're going aren't we. We're laughably poor.
We have all those traits,
We give up winning positions, we make huge errors and throw points away like confetti.
We donít challenge the refs when we are on the end of poor decisions. Donít score from or defend corners.
Lack leadership, we have no real shape or system.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on March 09, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
Yep, no desire, no belief, no bravery. This side stinks of relegation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 09:44:39 PM
If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: richtheholtender on March 09, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
Not only do I think weíll drop but I also think this time round could be our Leeds. Itís going to be yet another rebuild.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 09, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
First time i've thought we're fucked. We look a team that's already done.

Afraid I agree. Itís the lack of winning any second balls which is hard to stomach, it just looks like a lack of desire.

Just before their 3rd we had possibly our only half decent attack of second half, balls intercepted from a Davies through ball and I swear 3 of our players are a half yard nearer the ball than their defender who inevitably wins the ball and kicks off a counter.

It happened all night and all of them inc grealish, with the possible exception of Nakamba in very small doses, made no where near enough effort.

Other than trying Davies and Samatta up front, I donít know where we go, clutching at straws now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on March 09, 2020, 10:31:35 PM
The towel was thrown in tonight. Smith has lost the dressing room. Nobody wanted the ball. Grealish looks like he's had enough now. I dont blame him.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Not only do I think weíll drop but I also think this time round could be our Leeds. Itís going to be yet another rebuild.

I don't really get that though.

Last time we went down we were a proper basketcase Sunderland type club. We got up within three years. Could've easily been two if we'd actually turned up for the first hour v Fulham.

We did that with a kid in sweet shop owner and safety first manager.

If these owners are as good as most think they are they will make a big decision on DS future, appoint a competant manager for the level below and more importantly instruct him to sign proven players for that level.

We actually did that under Xia albeit by just throwing money at anything that moved but we still had a more than good squad if not one that could adapt to premier league.

Being a good board isn't just taking credit when we get promoted, it's showing good leadership and decision making going forward when we had to sell a key player like Grealish.

That day is coming this summer. Leicester sold one of their best players for 70m last summer but you wouldn't know it watching them tonight.

Now that is a superbly run club from the top imo especially after the tragedy of last season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on March 09, 2020, 10:39:44 PM
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If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.
If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.

Getting to the final has ruined us. 25 points with 14 to play should have been relatively comfortable. I've said it before but Smith doesn't know how to draw a match and that's crucial in the Prem
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 09, 2020, 10:47:51 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on March 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Only one question. Where's all the "rousing" and "fighting" coming from?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on March 09, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Only one question. Where's all the "rousing" and "fighting" coming from?

Must be outside the ground because it's certainly not happening on the pitch. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on March 09, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
 crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 11:46:48 PM
crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept

Staying up was paramount. I am so angry with the club. I would have happily gone out in round two of the league cup just to prioritise survival. Staying up was everything-
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 09, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2020, 12:18:16 AM
I really don't think getting to the league cup final has significantly hurt us.

Ultimately we've stopped trying in away games (not that the away form has been great all season) and that's pretty unforgivable in this situation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.



My thoughts exactly. Some of the performances of late really have been down there with anything the class of 2015 could muster. Absolute dog shit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 12:53:12 AM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.



My thoughts exactly. Some of the performances of late really have been down there with anything the class of 2015 could muster. Absolute dog shit.

We conceded exactly two goals a game on average that season, and so far we're on course to match that.  Well done Dean, it takes some going to be as crap as that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2020, 06:33:52 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 10, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Do you really, really think we are going to start winning games? Why should we beat Sheffield United? They are a good team. We are going down because of inept performances against teams around us, with the exception of Norwich away. Watford and Southampton should have sealed his fate. Dean should have been sacked then. Before the ďkeep the faithĒ brigade start, oh yes itís my fault because I walked into the ground last night not believing we would win, because as fans we can mind control the game!!! Dean Smith (this season) is not a Premiership manager and at the end of the season Aston Villa will not be a premier league club.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 10, 2020, 06:53:33 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.

Iíve watched Norwich more than Iím comfortable with this season and you get the impression that they are a little unlucky to be bottom, that they are one or two players away from being a reasonable side.

We have no shape, allow teams to completely dominate us, give space in the box and are completely one dimensional in attack.
I have zero belief in this side.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2020, 07:05:58 AM
This is it, weíre disorganised in defence, passive in midfield, and donít appear to have a plan in attack. Those are three pretty critical failings and itís why weíll get relegated.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: clash city rocker on March 10, 2020, 07:13:24 AM
crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept

Reading this has just ruined my day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on March 10, 2020, 07:30:08 AM
As poor as last night was, as poor as our season has been, I shall still be at Villa Park next season cheering us on albeit in the Championship
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 07:32:22 AM
When you give up goals and chances as easily as we do, you cannot hope to stay up;

Reina's utter stupidity for the first
Beaten at his near post twice
The shambles at corners in failing to mark
The 5 or 6 times in the first half alone we passed ourselves into trouble
The ease teams break beyond our midfield

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?

The absence of any attacking structure. Last night Leicester breezed back into form without being particularly good. They made the pitch big, with Barnes and Albrighton playing very high and very wide.

What was our method? What were we hoping to achieve?

That Reina mistake was so bad, it killed any hope. The absence of organisation has been there all season, but it's only getting worse.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on March 10, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
The total lack of organisation is beyond me. We don't have a great squad, but I also don't think its the worst. But all season teams have been able to walk through and take free headers from corners, etc. This is totally down to the management, who unfortunately are being shown to be out of their depth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 10, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
I am still shell shocked after last night's debacle. We are sleep walking to relegation. We haven't conducted ourselves like a big club since MON left. We should have got Big Sam in weeks ago.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 09:29:42 AM

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?


Is there a viable alternative though? Not disagreeing but we have too many players/position where the limitations and weaknesses severely outweighs their strengths.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2020, 10:39:55 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.

Iíve watched Norwich more than Iím comfortable with this season and you get the impression that they are a little unlucky to be bottom, that they are one or two players away from being a reasonable side.

We have no shape, allow teams to completely dominate us, give space in the box and are completely one dimensional in attack.
I have zero belief in this side.



They're the same as us, simply can't defend. If they'd signed a Mings type CB they'd probably be 17th.

Worth noting they won the championship last season conceding nearly 60 goals so pretty much the same as us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 10, 2020, 10:54:49 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....
Exactly this.  Wesley was just a ridiculous gamble that didn't pay off.  Marv and Doug have good potential but were just the wrong players for us at the time given our circumstances.  Trez much the same, but worse than these two.

Ignoring loans and trying to move too quickly to the 'young and hungry' model has done for us.  Again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on March 10, 2020, 11:02:57 AM
Agree. Itís just possible that in future Luiz , El Ghazi , Wesley and Freddie might do well enough in a stronger side at another club ( like Veretout, Gana , Westwood, Lowton and Adama ) but right now, when it counts,thereís too many of them who simply arenít good enough to keep us up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
Without going over old ground, with regards to the recruitment, we essentially came up as quite a mess of a squad really.

Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: phantom limb on March 10, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
I donít think it was so much ignoring aspects of the market, itís being limited in what we were able to spend. This is why we spent so little in January despite three major injuries, and there are still championship clubs screeching about our spend from last year.

We had to quickly assemble a squad and we know that three of the main summer targets that Smith wanted we were quoted big money for. So they took a gamble on a lot of these players, most of whom will probably go on to have decent careers much like Traore, Vertout, Gaye etc. Chucking them all in at once and hoping everything would work out ok was the problem.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

After last night this has obviously changed......

Matches   Position
4              20th (We have 0 points and Bournemouth - 1 point, Norwich, Southampton, West Ham, Brighton - 3 points, the teams above)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

So basically, whilst the only change is the 4 match streak, it really isn't good viewing. We're in the shit on recent form is the takeaway fact.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 10, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.

I like what Sheffield Utd have done.
And they have players of John Lundstrum and John Fleck. Who may not have been suggested as premier league players but have done very well
Players that fit the mould.
Villa were making deals with idea to protect financier and put out some clever marketing with signing the Brazilians.
When  some were risks all ends up with nothing outfield proven coming in till January.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 04:39:59 PM
Last night was yet another example of just how poor our players are, compared to the standard in the Prem. Wayward passes, dreadful control and hesitancy in movement were all there for all to see. It was the same at Saints and Bournemouth; we lack the most basic requirements of players to compete at this level. Thatís why we will drop like a stone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa for life on March 10, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
We always complain about the players, though...

Yet time and time again, a fair few of our flops go on to do fairly well and many end up playing in the premiership with other sides and look ok.

I think itís the managerís experience that has cost us this season..

So frustrating that all parts never seem to click at the same time..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 10, 2020, 04:51:32 PM
Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.
Difficult, but not impossible.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DrGonzo on March 10, 2020, 04:55:49 PM
We should be capable of defending a corner.  You can teach young teenagers how to pick up a runner and get between them and the ball.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 06:57:37 PM

So basically, whilst the only change is the 4 match streak, it really isn't good viewing. We're in the shit on recent form is the takeaway fact.

Is it too optimistic/clutching at straws to say (hope) that if the form guide of the previous ten games repeats itself for the rest of the season that we stay up above West Ham and Bournemouth?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2020, 10:29:55 PM
Athletico winning through means Liverpool don't have to take the Villa game so easy.
Would rather have them distracted by the European champions league
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Axl Rose on March 11, 2020, 10:32:58 PM
Athletico winning through means Liverpool don't have to take the Villa game so easy.
Would rather have them distracted by the European champions league

We have no chance of getting anything from that match anyway, footy. I think, anyway.

They could put out the team that last won the league and we'd still struggle.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 11, 2020, 10:45:31 PM
I have faint optimisation with the whole 5-0 victory in Carabo .factually Liverpool biggest beating this season !
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
No worries now about the Liverpool away game. Season will be void....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on March 14, 2020, 10:15:25 AM
Could we have none added to the list?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Bloody Covid-19, buggering up my poll.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Lock the thread!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on March 15, 2020, 07:08:12 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2020, 07:49:13 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
We've only just become a bottom-threer.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on March 15, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
Would Southampton still go on that basis? Hilarious  prospect, even if thereís no chance thatís happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on March 15, 2020, 10:26:19 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
We've only just become a bottom-threer.

Would Southampton still go on that basis? Hilarious  prospect, even if thereís no chance thatís happening.

Thought weíd popped into bottom 3 a couple of times?

Iíd forgotten about Southampton!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 19, 2020, 12:48:57 AM
27 years hiistory of prem league.22 teams (81.5 %) who were bottom of the league on Match day 30, were relegated at the end of the season. Even if Norwich v Southampton win they remain bottom.


The bottom six GD and points

15    Brighton   -8    29pts
16    West Ham -15  27pts   
17    Watford   -17  27pts
-------------------------------------------------
18    Bournemouth -18  27pts
19    Aston Villa -22  26pts   
20    Norwich -27    21pts
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 19, 2020, 01:04:30 AM
There are 5  '6 pointers' as fixtures.

Saturday 4 July
Norwich v Brighton

Tuesday 7 July
Watford v Norwich

Saturday 11 July
Norwich v West Ham

And sometime midweek 15 July or so
West Ham v Watford

And final day 26 July
West Ham v Villa

Bournemouth and Brighton have no matches against the bottom six .
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Big Ming on June 19, 2020, 07:35:33 AM
The Sheffield United home game was one of the most winnable 'must win' games we had.

Bottom line is we didn't win it.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 10:40:19 AM
Why was Sheffield United one of our most winnable? This arrogance keeps rearing its head. We have nine games remaining and only three of them are above Sheffield United. Only Liverpool, in all four divisions, have conceded fewer and they've only lost two of their last twenty-three away games, against Liverpool and Man City.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on June 19, 2020, 10:46:32 AM
Sheffield United are 6th. They've only lost in the last 10 or so games to Liverpool and Man City. We were the better side the other night and we competed and defended well. It wasn't must win, it was must improve and we did.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 10:52:38 AM
Quite.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2020, 10:58:28 AM
It doesn't seem to matter much where our opponents are in the table.  We struggle to beat most of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on June 19, 2020, 11:03:57 AM
Why was Sheffield United one of our most winnable? This arrogance keeps rearing its head. We have nine games remaining and only three of them are above Sheffield United. Only Liverpool, in all four divisions, have conceded fewer and they've only lost two of their last twenty-three away games, against Liverpool and Man City.
All of this is true.  But on the day they were there for the taking and it was a big opportunity missed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 11:12:08 AM
We have seven wins, none of which are against teams in the top nine. We clearly need to improve that between now and the end of the season, but it doesn't make any of the matches against the elite teams "must win", at least not yet.

Remaining matches against teams challenging near the top:

Chelsea (h), Wolves (h), Liverpool (a), Man Utd (h), Arsenal (h)

Other matches left:

Newcastle (a), Palace (h), Everton (a), West Ham (a).

If we can get four points against teams near the top that would leave us requiring two wins out of four of the "winnable" games to get to 36, which is usually enough just to scrape survival.

Doesn't seem impossible, also doesn't mean that Chelsea is "must win" yet, either. Though oddly I fancy us more than I did on Wednesday.

The enforced break and drinks breaks suit Sheffield United's intense style of play. They were about the worst team we could have started against, other than Liverpool.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2020, 11:36:45 AM
We have seven wins, none of which are against teams in the top nine. We clearly need to improve that between now and the end of the season, but it doesn't make any of the matches against the elite teams "must win", at least not yet.

Remaining matches against teams challenging near the top:

Chelsea (h), Wolves (h), Liverpool (a), Man Utd (h), Arsenal (h)

Other matches left:

Newcastle (a), Palace (h), Everton (a), West Ham (a).

If we can get four points against teams near the top that would leave us requiring two wins out of four of the "winnable" games to get to 36, which is usually enough just to scrape survival.

Doesn't seem impossible, also doesn't mean that Chelsea is "must win" yet, either. Though oddly I fancy us more than I did on Wednesday.

The enforced break and drinks breaks suit Sheffield United's intense style of play. They were about the worst team we could have started against, other than Liverpool.

By the time we play them I suspect Liverpool, Palace, Everton and Arsenal will all be 'on the beach', Liverpool will still be a tough match but the other 3 are all games we should be targeting for points. 6-8 points from those 4 games is definitely reasonable and would mean 5-6 from the others could easily be enough. What I'd really like is for us to win 1, fairly soon, by a decent margin so our goal difference isn't working against us.

Looking through all the games I'd say Chelsea and Man U at home are the 2 'free hits' so I'd like us to be a bit braver in those games. To clarify all the other games are against teams with little to play for , a team in the battle with us or a local rival so they're the ones you'd target.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2020, 11:41:14 AM


By the time we play them I suspect Liverpool, Palace, Everton and Arsenal will all be 'on the beach', Liverpool will still be a tough match but the other 3 are all games we should be targeting for points. 6-8 points from those 4 games is definitely reasonable and would mean 5-6 from the others could easily be enough. What I'd really like is for us to win 1, fairly soon, by a decent margin so our goal difference isn't working against us.

Looking through all the games I'd say Chelsea and Man U at home are the 2 'free hits' so I'd like us to be a bit braver in those games. To clarify all the other games are against teams with little to play for , a team in the battle with us or a local rival so they're the ones you'd target.

We talk about Manchester United being a free hit and Sheffield United being a must-win/if we can't beat them who can we beat? yet the reality is that there's one point and one league place between them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 19, 2020, 12:03:47 PM
It was said for weeks before the break that sooner or later we'd have to start beating teams.  It's even more vital now.  It doesn't matter where they are in the table, we've got to get wins.  We've struggled against the top sides and said 'ah well, they're a much better side than us, and it's the teams around us we need to beat' and then been beaten by the sides around us.  For us this season there haven't been any easy games: they've either been hard or harder.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 12:15:07 PM
Norwich away, Newcastle home, Burnley away. All relatively easy, though the Burnley one ended closer than it should have been.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 19, 2020, 12:52:51 PM
The Sheffield United home game was one of the most winnable 'must win' games we had.

Bottom line is we didn't win it.

And the fact is we got a point !
Small gains !
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 19, 2020, 12:56:50 PM
Why was Sheffield United one of our most winnable? This arrogance keeps rearing its head. We have nine games remaining and only three of them are above Sheffield United. Only Liverpool, in all four divisions, have conceded fewer and they've only lost two of their last twenty-three away games, against Liverpool and Man City.
Let's be fair on the match though Sheffield Utd looked poor really.
No shots apart from the Norwood free kick which was over hit and a free mcBurnie header.

They had little pace in team and are a very good team but individual they don't hurt us like Chelsea , Man utd even Arsenal can.

I actually see more chance v Chelsea and arsenal than I do against Man utd .

Sheffield Utd are good team and hope Smith gets to emulate wilder if we stay up and progress he can.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 19, 2020, 01:44:56 PM
Four teams have played so far and three of them have looked poor. Think it will take a while for most to get into the swing of things after months off followed by weird training sessions.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2020, 02:44:32 PM


By the time we play them I suspect Liverpool, Palace, Everton and Arsenal will all be 'on the beach', Liverpool will still be a tough match but the other 3 are all games we should be targeting for points. 6-8 points from those 4 games is definitely reasonable and would mean 5-6 from the others could easily be enough. What I'd really like is for us to win 1, fairly soon, by a decent margin so our goal difference isn't working against us.

Looking through all the games I'd say Chelsea and Man U at home are the 2 'free hits' so I'd like us to be a bit braver in those games. To clarify all the other games are against teams with little to play for , a team in the battle with us or a local rival so they're the ones you'd target.

We talk about Manchester United being a free hit and Sheffield United being a must-win/if we can't beat them who can we beat? yet the reality is that there's one point and one league place between them.

I never claimed sheff utd was a must win and all I mean by free hit is that they have as much to play for as well do, I'd have said the same about Sheff UTd if it hadn't been the first game back. As it was we needed to avoid a defeat and put in a decent performance to build on. I think we did exactly that and I'm not sure why so many people are determined to see Wednesday as 2 points dropped.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2020, 02:55:23 PM


By the time we play them I suspect Liverpool, Palace, Everton and Arsenal will all be 'on the beach', Liverpool will still be a tough match but the other 3 are all games we should be targeting for points. 6-8 points from those 4 games is definitely reasonable and would mean 5-6 from the others could easily be enough. What I'd really like is for us to win 1, fairly soon, by a decent margin so our goal difference isn't working against us.

Looking through all the games I'd say Chelsea and Man U at home are the 2 'free hits' so I'd like us to be a bit braver in those games. To clarify all the other games are against teams with little to play for , a team in the battle with us or a local rival so they're the ones you'd target.

We talk about Manchester United being a free hit and Sheffield United being a must-win/if we can't beat them who can we beat? yet the reality is that there's one point and one league place between them.

I never claimed sheff utd was a must win and all I mean by free hit is that they have as much to play for as well do, I'd have said the same about Sheff UTd if it hadn't been the first game back. As it was we needed to avoid a defeat and put in a decent performance to build on. I think we did exactly that and I'm not sure why so many people are determined to see Wednesday as 2 points dropped.

Sorry - I know you didn't say that; I was using it as an example to support what you say. There's a strange double standard that's saying becasue we didn't beat what looked like poor opposition we're doomed, when more valid is the belief that we were better than a top six side, which is encouraging. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 19, 2020, 03:03:53 PM
Sorry - I know you didn't say that; I was using it as an example to support what you say. There's a strange double standard that's saying becasue we didn't beat what looked like poor opposition we're doomed, when more valid is the belief that we were better than a top six side, which is encouraging. 

I wasn't sure so I just wanted to clarify what I meant by free hit.

For me not losing and avoiding injuries/bans were the top priorities for Wednesday, doing it with a good performance and then a win came after that. The games are coming thick and fast now, keeping as many players as possible available will be the biggest difference between the clubs near the bottom.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 19, 2020, 03:29:02 PM
Sorry - I know you didn't say that; I was using it as an example to support what you say. There's a strange double standard that's saying becasue we didn't beat what looked like poor opposition we're doomed, when more valid is the belief that we were better than a top six side, which is encouraging. 

I wasn't sure so I just wanted to clarify what I meant by free hit.

For me not losing and avoiding injuries/bans were the top priorities for Wednesday, doing it with a good performance and then a win came after that. The games are coming thick and fast now, keeping as many players as possible available will be the biggest difference between the clubs near the bottom.

I think it showed the whole thing is a farce and whatver happens between now and the end of the season is still going to be unfair on at least two clubs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 19, 2020, 03:38:03 PM
We need to beat Palace, Newcastle and Arsenal to stay up I think. I think those are our three most winnable games from what we have left although of course we don't know what West Ham and Everton will be like when we play them. Poor game management massively let Arsenal off the hook in the away game.

We need to win one of our next 3 anyway otherwise the task is too hard. If we can get a draw off Chelsea and then beat Newcastle and get 7 points from our last 4 that could well be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on June 19, 2020, 03:55:03 PM
Iíve really missed not having to worry about ďI hope Southampton are motivated for tonightĒ.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on June 19, 2020, 03:57:11 PM
Iíve really missed not having to worry about ďI hope Southampton are motivated for tonightĒ.
Yeah, they seem to be on a one team mission to ruin our season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 19, 2020, 04:38:44 PM
Watching some of the other leagues there have been some teams, and players, come back that look like they have been quite badly affected by the break - Real Sociedad and ōdegaard being one example - and other that seemed to have benefitted from the it.

Itís pretty hard at this stage, having not seen most of the teams play, to be singling out many games as more winnable than others.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 19, 2020, 07:28:19 PM
Well that's Norwich down. Two places left to fill.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on June 19, 2020, 11:35:50 PM
Well that's Norwich down. Two places left to fill.

Agreed. I think we need 12 points to stay up which would mean they need 17 from a possible 24.

Just not gonna happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 12:07:19 AM
There are 5  '6 pointers' as fixtures.

Saturday 4 July
Norwich v Brighton

Tuesday 7 July
Watford v Norwich

Saturday 11 July
Norwich v West Ham

And sometime midweek 15 July or so
West Ham v Watford

And final day 26 July
West Ham v Villa

Bournemouth and Brighton have no matches against the bottom six .

I don't know if we can call the Vs Norwich match as 6pointers now.

Think that's them gone .

The unfortunate thing is Brighton Watford and West Ham all get to play them and would fancy the whole 3 points

Villa don't have any game on such as easy level.
It's the hard way for us and hoping these teams and results go in a favourably manner to get us out of the drop zone
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 20, 2020, 06:56:29 AM
We could do with some favours from other teams, including Norwich, but we have to take care of our own business. Our goal difference is a concern too. 1.93 goals per game given away. I hope we don't get cut adrift a bit after today's games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on June 20, 2020, 09:00:20 AM
I'm supporting 'away win' today
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 04:12:40 PM
Watford 1-1 Leicester
Late goals.  Hoped Leicester would win that one before kick off and also expected when 1-0 in last minute !
Then Dawson goes and scores some acrobatic effort for Watford point.

Way it's going still looking for around 37/ 38 points

Hopefully Arsenal will beat Brighton 0-0 halt time
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on June 20, 2020, 06:07:28 PM
Fecking Arsenal!  Honestly!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on June 20, 2020, 07:33:52 PM
Time to remove Brighton from the poll options?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 20, 2020, 07:35:22 PM
Time to remove Brighton from the poll options?
Not just yet, I reckon.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2020, 07:35:54 PM
Nah, I think they'll be alright but not mathematically safe yet. As an aside, might it be worth merging this with the "worried" thread as they seem to be basically people, myself included, saying the same thing?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on June 20, 2020, 07:37:15 PM
Time to remove Brighton from the poll options?


Yes, purely in an attempt to jinx them  ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on June 20, 2020, 07:41:08 PM
Just seen on MOTD Live what Bournemouth's run in is like. It will be very tough for them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on June 20, 2020, 07:42:47 PM
Just seen on MOTD Live what Bournemouth's run in is like. It will be very tough for them.

Bournemouth and West Ham are the two teams in big trouble (with ourselves). I think a point tomorrow would be decent, something to build on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2020, 07:51:10 PM
From the games so far this weekend Norwich look doomed and I'd be a lot more nervous as a West Ham fan.

What I'm struggling with is that Watford scrapped a draw with a late equaliser having looked pretty poor and it shows they're "up for it" we outplay Sheff U for most of the game, restrict them to 1 shot on goal and have their keeper universally named as man of the match but apparently we have no desire and are sleep-walking to relegation. I just want people to be consistent, the table shows that there's pretty much fuck all between the 4 teams you'd say were in the battle and yet they're all definitely going to get more points than us and we're fucked. We don't need a huge turn around and goals from everywhere to turn this around, a few less mistakes, slightly tighter in defence and that could easily get us a the extra point or 2 we need.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 20, 2020, 09:10:11 PM
Iím not sure I could cope with a last day shoot out with West Ham
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2020, 09:18:39 PM
I can't see it being probable that it goes to the last day. Our results would have to tally so completely that it's massively unlikely.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2020, 09:26:09 PM
I think it will go down to the last game, one way or another.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on June 20, 2020, 09:28:24 PM
I can't see it being probable that it goes to the last day. Our results would have to tally so completely that it's massively unlikely.

I can. Both teams are poor and losing/drawing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2020, 09:30:03 PM
Plus we only have to be within three points of West Ham for it to come down to the last day, between us anyway, at least mathematically. There is always a decent chance that one or both will already be safe or down by then though, I suppose.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 20, 2020, 09:32:10 PM
Plus we only have to be within three points of West Ham for it to come down to the last day, between us anyway, at least mathematically. There is always a decent chance that one or both will already be safe or down by then though, I suppose.
I think that's right.  Or perhaps within 2, depending on how many batterings they / we get, just to make sure goal difference doesn't fuck us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 20, 2020, 09:34:26 PM
I can't see it being probable that it goes to the last day. Our results would have to tally so completely that it's massively unlikely.

I can. Both teams are poor and losing/drawing.

Our results over the last twenty games are identical to both West Ham and Bournemouths so that would suggest that itís quite possible.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 20, 2020, 09:35:13 PM
That's why I said "at least mathematically". Even if we are three points behind with a goal difference worse by twenty, we could go there and win by ten... I mean we wouldn't, obviously, but technically it would still have gone down to the last day. Like we weren't completely safe when we went to Lambert's Norwich in the last game of the McLeish Error.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 20, 2020, 09:46:06 PM
That's why I said "at least mathematically". Even if we are three points behind with a goal difference worse by twenty, we could go there and win by ten... I mean we wouldn't, obviously, but technically it would still have gone down to the last day. Like we weren't completely safe when we went to Lambert's Norwich in the last game of the McLeish Error.

I can't see the goal difference changing massively so going there needing to win by 2 or 3 wouldn't be unthinkable.

Either way Bournemouth look really poor, West Ham look nearly as bad and Norwich look like they've accepted relegation. Us, Watford and Brighton look better prepared so far.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 09:46:27 PM
We've seen the others results today with
Brighton W last minute
Watford D last minute
West ham L - deservedly beaten
Bournemouth L - deservedly beaten

It's  Over to you Deano and the Villa
Have to beat Chelsea in our 30th game !

Relegation watch : the bottom six with GD and points all others having played 30 matches

15    Brighton   -7      32pts
16    Watford -17       28pts   
17    West Ham -17   27pts
-------------------------------------------
18    Bournemouth -20 27pts
19    Aston Villa -22    26pts 
20.   Norwich -30 21pts
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2020, 09:50:37 PM
To be 17th with Newcastle to come would be amazing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 20, 2020, 09:51:29 PM
Brighton have 32 points
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 20, 2020, 09:52:31 PM
Fuck me, a win tomorrow would be massive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 09:55:51 PM
To be 17th with Newcastle to come would be amazing.

Yes hoping Harry Kane actually has some impact . He was deeply out if it and looked unfit barely had a touch.

Tuesday
Leicester v Brighton
Spurs v Wet spam

Wednesday
Wolves v Bournemouth

Thursday
Burnley v Watford

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on June 20, 2020, 09:57:03 PM
Positively Brobdingnagian.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 10:02:06 PM
Brighton have 32 points

Thank you ! Sorry! Hadn't updated have now.

Brighton 4/5 next matches tough . So don't think more than 35pts after 35 games
3 PTS from 15 . Beat Norwich lose the rest

Brighton next 5
Tue 23 Jun Leicester a   
Tue 30 Jun Man Utd  h
Sat 4 Jul NOR a   
Wed 8 Jul Liverpool h   
Sat 11 Jul  Man City h

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2020, 10:03:04 PM
Hoping Spuds do us a favour is like hoping Arsenal do us a favour.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 10:05:37 PM
Ha yeah why have I got slightly more optimistic despite villa not even playing and don't think we'll have more than a draw?!!
The hope is still there seeing the dross around . Those that don't go down this season will go next !
Apart from ourselves as we can build great things !

Hoping Spuds do us a favour is like hoping Arsenal do us a favour.

Wet Spam next 2 are Spurs away and Chelsea home.
Chelsea will be recovering from the beating we give them and warmed up ready for Frank to go and beat them!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2020, 10:10:48 PM

Apart from ourselves as we can build great things !


I think you're spot on here. Bournemouth have gone as far as they can go, like all South Coast clubs eventually do, and Watford will go in the next couple of seasons. West Ham are still mental. We stay up and we'll kick on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 20, 2020, 10:37:24 PM
To be 17th with Newcastle to come would be amazing.

We can only be 16th or 19th tomorrow night. It would feel great being 16th, obviously.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on June 20, 2020, 10:40:21 PM
16th would be heaven.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 20, 2020, 10:41:19 PM
Given their fixtures I think Bournemouth are down. So it's 1 from 3 and likely 1 from 2 with us and West Ham battling it out. 4 points from the next 2 games would be massive. Atm though I'd take going to West Ham last day just needing a draw to stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 10:42:25 PM

Apart from ourselves as we can build great things !


I think you're spot on here. Bournemouth have gone as far as they can go, like all South Coast clubs eventually do, and Watford will go in the next couple of seasons. West Ham are still mental. We stay up and we'll kick on.

Bournemouth have a new stadium on the way but they are looking lost.

I would raid Norwich for Max Aarons right back and Todd Cantwell and Pukki in attack.
Also take Billing for our midfield and Harry and Callum  Wilson from Bournemouth for next season.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on June 20, 2020, 10:43:41 PM
We've really got to start taking advantage of the teams around us slipping up.  Starting tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 20, 2020, 10:45:25 PM
We could really do with a massive performance tomorrow and to catch Chelsea on an off day. It didnít do much for Arsenal, but I hope the competitive game under our belts gives us an edge.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 20, 2020, 10:46:04 PM
...but will we? It would be incredibly unlike us to do so. Prove me wrong you beautiful bastards!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 20, 2020, 10:48:33 PM
It's up to villa and villa old boss Newcastle United Stevie Bruce.
We'll be cheering them on through half their games !
They have to play everyone of the bottom 5 outside of  Norwich !
 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on June 21, 2020, 01:12:46 AM
Which is why they could still get dragged into this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on June 21, 2020, 08:37:33 AM
I reckon safety will be around the 36/37pts mark this season.

There's 4 sides separated by less than 3 points, all averaging less than 1pt/match. Taking the highest of those (Watford - 28pts), if they average 1pt/game - more than they are at the moment - they'll be on 36pts.

That puts Villa needing 10pts from the last 9 games ... which I think it's perfectly achievable. Wins against Crystal Palace and Newcastle, and grinding it results in half of our other games, we should go in to that last game either safe, or just needing a draw.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on June 21, 2020, 09:11:08 AM
Before our match kicked off on Wednesday I was past caring what happened with this season, with everything else going on in the world. Now Iím studying the table intently again. Thatís the pull the Villa have! Sod it, letís do this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
It's up to villa and villa old boss Newcastle United Stevie Bruce.
We'll be cheering them on through half their games !
They have to play everyone of the bottom 5 outside of  Norwich !

I've always liked Steve Bruce.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 03:17:05 PM
I can't see it being probable that it goes to the last day. Our results would have to tally so completely that it's massively unlikely.

You'd like to think even with a poor end to the season we could at least win one game and draw a couple. After watching them yesterday and with the fixtures they have left I'd be surprised if West Ham and Bournemouth are over 35 points by the 37th game so as CD says we'd still have a chance if we were on 32 points although of course our GD is worst of the three unless West Ham and bournemouth get a couple of hammerings.

If we're long relegated before final day I really don't see what grounds DS could expect to continue into next season. We'd have gone down having won 3 games in 7 months so very similar to when we went down in 15/16.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on June 21, 2020, 03:33:44 PM
With the announcement of today's team, it looks like Dean does know his strongest team.

Sadly, on the evidence of (edit) Wednesday, I'm not sure his strongest team is strong enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on June 21, 2020, 03:35:20 PM
What were they doing on Thursday night? ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on June 21, 2020, 03:42:22 PM
What were they doing on Thursday night? ;)

Alright smart arse!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 21, 2020, 03:48:39 PM
So that's the barcodes safe as well then! The sad thing is, Sheffield United weren't that good on Wednesday but we failed to take advantage.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 21, 2020, 03:50:12 PM
Indeed, they were there for the taking. I couldn't believe how poor they were.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2020, 03:50:38 PM
So did Newcastle until the red card.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 03:53:39 PM
Newcastle did really well against 10 men, moved Sheffield United around well.

We need to learn that skill for next  given how useless we've been against 10 men this year.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2020, 03:56:55 PM
They didn't have to do anything to win that, Edna gifts them the first, keeper's positioning was awful for the second and SU gave up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 04:03:08 PM
They didn't have to do anything to win that, Edna gifts them the first, keeper's positioning was awful for the second and SU gave up.

It was still 0-0 at similar stage to when West Ham went down to 10 v us. We also had longer v 10 men v Arsenal (were also winning).

It's part of the naiveness at top level for me, didn't half drop loads of stupid points in August and September from winning positions. If we go down on GD to West Ham and Watford it's a crucial missed opportunity.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2020, 04:10:43 PM
And if Newcastle aren't gifted the first who knows how the game goes. You can't comapre the 2 imo because that result was down to SU imploding not Newcastle suddenly performing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 04:12:46 PM
And if Newcastle aren't gifted the first who knows how the game goes. You can't comapre the 2 imo because that result was down to SU imploding not Newcastle suddenly performing.

I wasn't really comparing the two. For the record I was o.k with 0-0 as that's the sort of result you need to break negative mindset considering we were on awful losing run. Hopefully we can continue to build on it today even if it's another draw.

Just saying if we want to stay up and be more than just happy to finish 17th in future seasons we need to start winning regularly against ten minute as it's something we're not very good at doing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nastylee on June 21, 2020, 04:44:22 PM
Makes our passive display on Wednesday even more galling. Sheffield were there for the taking if we had shown some attacking intent.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 21, 2020, 07:04:45 PM
Newcastle's morale will be a fuck's sight better than ours on Wednesday which must be pretty close to rock bottom.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 21, 2020, 07:08:41 PM
In our last 7 league games our attacking players have scored 1 goal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2020, 07:10:48 PM
We've also lost 11 of our last 16 premier league games. It's pretty much the same as 15/16 now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 21, 2020, 07:30:42 PM
Newcastle's morale will be a fuck's sight better than ours on Wednesday which must be pretty close to rock bottom.

It will be bizarro world next week when we watch a Steve Bruce side have significantly more possession than the opponent.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on June 21, 2020, 09:12:45 PM
Newcastle's morale will be a fuck's sight better than ours on Wednesday which must be pretty close to rock bottom.

I dunno, they've got the win they need to sure of safety now, so maybe they'll stop giving a shit.. maybe..

Either way, I don't really think we're in much of a worse position than we were at the start of the weekend. We had the hardest fixture and lost a point on Watford, but didn't lose anything on West Ham or Bournemouth, the latter of which look fucked considering their run in.

Yeh, fuck it, I've convinced myself, we're staying up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on June 21, 2020, 09:14:45 PM
It ain't over till its over. And having seen Bournemouth, West Ham and us, it ain't going to be over till the last game of the season.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on June 21, 2020, 11:35:24 PM
TBH I never really thought Brighton were in any danger of going down, too much presence at the back and up top to nick something and they just seem more battle hardened, same goes for Watford.  Players like Dawson and Deeney with an old head like Pearson will see them fine.  So it's 3 from 4 - Norwich, us, Bournemouth and West Ham. To think we've gifted Bournemouth 6 points and couldn't beat 10 man West Ham at home.
 

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: purpletrousers on June 21, 2020, 11:50:34 PM
TBH I never really thought Brighton were in any danger of going down, too presence at the back and up top to nick something and they just seem more battle hardened, same goes for Watford.  Players like Dawson and Deeney with an old head like Pearson will see them fine.  So it's 3 from 4 - Norwich, us, Bournemouth and West Ham. To think we've gifted Bournemouth 6 points and couldn't beat 10 man West Ham at home.
 


Ach that's a bit too painful to be reminded.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 21, 2020, 11:54:39 PM
I don't think Brighton are out of the woods just yet. They could easily lose four of their next five considering the quality of opposition. And they play Norwich in the middle who might yet be in last chance saloon. I don't think a draw is beyond the bounds in that game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2020, 01:00:44 AM
Brighton should be o.k. Need Norwich to take some points off West Ham desperately as they'll be viewing that as their most winnable away game seeing as they also have Spurs and Man. United.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2020, 05:34:27 AM
West Ham have got Newcastle  Norwich Watford Burnley and us as winnable games.
Bournemouth have a horrible run in, Newcastle and Southampton their most winnable games.
brighton have Norwich Sampton Burnley Newcastle But allready 32 points.
Watford have the easiest run in West Ham Burnley Sampton Norwich Arse Newcastle.
I think Norwich are gone, Brighton and Watford should be ok.
I donít see Bournemouth getting out of the relegation Zone.
That leaves us and West Ham, we have a tougher run in and a worse goal dif and a point behind.

Our most winnable games Newcastle Arse Palace ? West Ham.
The best I can see is us going to the Taxpayer stadium needing a win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on June 22, 2020, 06:38:44 AM
Bournemouth are gone, looked a dreadful outfit even worse than us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 11:10:03 AM
Form table last 5 matches

West Ham   4pts   
D L L W L L

Bournemouth 4pts   
W L L D L L

Norwich  4pts       
D L L W L L

Aston Villa  1pt
L L L D L
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 11:44:47 AM
Bournemouth are gone, looked a dreadful outfit even worse than us.

And they've beat us well, twice.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on June 22, 2020, 11:53:34 AM
Bournemouth are gone, looked a dreadful outfit even worse than us.

And they've beat us well, twice.

I can't speak for the away game, because I didn't see it live, but there is no way you can describe the 2-1 home defeat as them "beating us well".  Chelsea beat us well.  Bournemouth did not. We dominated the ball, created more chances, and barring a Heaton brain fart in the first five minutes, we definitely win that game.

Also, they've lost one of their best players in Ryan Fraser - so I think they're in bigger trouble even than us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 22, 2020, 12:39:33 PM
We dominated the ball, created more chances, and barring a Heaton brain fart in the first five minutes, we definitely win that game.
Come on, that's the same as saying if Sheff Utd's 'goal' had been given we'd definitely have lost that game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on June 22, 2020, 04:11:25 PM
Bournemouth are gone, looked a dreadful outfit even worse than us.

And they've beat us well, twice.

I can't speak for the away game, because I didn't see it live, but there is no way you can describe the 2-1 home defeat as them "beating us well".  Chelsea beat us well.  Bournemouth did not. We dominated the ball, created more chances, and barring a Heaton brain fart in the first five minutes, we definitely win that game.

Also, they've lost one of their best players in Ryan Fraser - so I think they're in bigger trouble even than us.

I didn't see the home game to be fair, was on holiday, but they spent most of the game two up and we hardly battered the door down for an equaliser.

Away, they had 10 men for most of the game and still won.

And they're supposed to be shite.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 04:35:31 PM
Villa need to double PPG now and end of season to get around 13pts.

Currently PPG would see us amass 32pts

West Ham Bournemouth and Norwich of course have are also below 1.

At this time we need to raise the level to above 1 and to around 1.74 ppg to avoid the R.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 22, 2020, 05:07:10 PM
Villa need to double PPG now and end of season to get around 13pts.

Currently PPG would see us amass 32pts

West Ham Bournemouth and Norwich of course have are also below 1.

At this time we need to raise the level to above 1 and to around 1.74 ppg to avoid the R.

Err is all of that the same as saying we need four wins, blimey!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: supertom on June 22, 2020, 05:16:25 PM
I actually think about 35 points will keep a side up this season (if that) because Bournemouth, West Ham, ourselves are just utter fucking bilge. Appalling. The trouble is, that point advantage they both have (plus goal difference) is just about enough to keep them ahead. I think those two may pick up 1-2 more wins each, but not much more. I think we'll be very lucky to win another game this season. We might scrape to 30 points. The current bottom four are complete and utter shite. Watford aint much better but have managed to find at least some semblence of fight with Pearson, and at least have the shithousery option and being a bunch of shithouses may see them have a reasonable run til the end and be miles clear of the rest.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 22, 2020, 05:37:26 PM
To be safe Iím sure we will need 13 points. Just not going to happen. Even if we managed 8 I donít think 34 keeps you up. We need 38/39
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2020, 05:39:36 PM
We only need 1 more point than the team in 18th spot or the same points but with a better GD. However it is we arrive there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2020, 05:44:10 PM
I think this could be a very low points required to stay up 35 or 36 which still means we need  to win 3 games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 22, 2020, 05:50:14 PM
The sooner we get to a spot through our own accomplishments where the teams below us start to drift into the distance the better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 08:14:17 PM
I think this could be a very low points required to stay up 35 or 36 which still means we need  to win 3 games.

That's a standard total not a low total.

Premier league history has shown that since the league was cut to 20 teams in 1995/96, the average points required to avoid the drop has been much lower than 40.

I've added last seasons points tally to include
the past 24 seasons, the 18th-placed team, the highest to go down, have averaged 35.5 points

Looking at the last 3 seasons without our beloved club in the premier league the points needed to be safe were

2018/19 35 pts
2017/18 34pts
2016/17 35pts

In 2015/16 Villa achieved 17pts and we finished 20th. We would have survived if we made 38pts 

2014/15 finished 17th with 38pts .
And 36pts would have seen us safe

Hull relegated with 35 pts


And in fact it's not since 2002/3 season that over 40 pts was needed . That season 43 points needed to stay in league.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 08:15:38 PM
To be safe Iím sure we will need 13 points. Just not going to happen. Even if we managed 8 I donít think 34 keeps you up. We need 38/39
36 /37 could but the goal difference is a concern
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on June 22, 2020, 09:08:14 PM
It's still 4 wins. From 8 games. If anyone can genuinely see that happening I'll have whatever they're having...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 22, 2020, 09:27:30 PM
It's still 4 wins. From 8 games. If anyone can genuinely see that happening I'll have whatever they're having...
3 wins 35 points
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on June 22, 2020, 09:45:29 PM
It's still 4 wins. From 8 games. If anyone can genuinely see that happening I'll have whatever they're having...
3 wins 35 points

We will be lucky to get 3 points let alone 3 wins. We are well and truly cooked. Time to plan for the a championship Iím afraid
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 10:08:59 PM
2 wins 6pts - Newcastle and Palace.
4 draws - 4pts Wolves , Arsenal ,  Everton , West Ham
2 defeats - Liverpool , Man Utd

10pts = 36pts
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 22, 2020, 10:24:18 PM
It's still 4 wins. From 8 games. If anyone can genuinely see that happening I'll have whatever they're having...
3 wins 35 points

Probably gets us third from bottom.  Even 4 wins may not be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 22, 2020, 10:25:58 PM
4 wins would do it. But Iíd be stunned if we got it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 22, 2020, 10:48:11 PM
Will we cobble together 3 more points than Watford and 2 more points than Wet Spam in the remaining games? It doesn't look promising if we don't start showing some mettle.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 22, 2020, 11:02:32 PM
Will we cobble together 3 more points than Watford and 2 more points than Wet Spam in the remaining games? It doesn't look promising if we don't start showing some mettle.

We don't necessarily need to finish above both of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 22, 2020, 11:11:40 PM
2 wins 6pts - Newcastle and Palace.
4 draws - 4pts Wolves , Arsenal ,  Everton , West Ham
2 defeats - Liverpool , Man Utd

10pts = 36pts

When you put it like that, piece of piss!

I'm pissed off that with most fixtures we get less recovery time than the opposition. Palace will have two extra days to rest and prepare before we play them and they are bloody difficult to score against. We'll still be knackered from chasing shadows against ManUre in the previous game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 22, 2020, 11:38:31 PM
Our last chance is this week really.

West Ham have Spurs away who have all their attackers back and Bournemouth are at Wolves so decent chance both will lose. Would be out of bottom 3 if we can win and we also on first at weekend with the early kick off v Wolves.

If we can't get up to at least 17th by Saturday afternoon I really can't see how we're going to do it in the remaining fixtures. If anything we'll get further adrift. It's incredible we're still just 1 point off 17th considering we've lost 11 of our last 16 league games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 22, 2020, 11:43:48 PM
11 crosses by Willian
11 crosses by Azpilicueta

Chelsea hammered us on that left side.
I don't want to think what Adama and Matt Doherty are gonna do.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on June 22, 2020, 11:58:30 PM
Watford will certainly be excited to play Burnley who looked a shambles tonight and are short of players due to issues with contracts ..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2020, 12:10:32 AM
The difference in GD isn't as bad as I thought it was (between us and Bournemouth/West Ham). We can actually do this without miracles.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tayls_7 on June 23, 2020, 12:21:49 AM
Will we cobble together 3 more points than Watford and 2 more points than Wet Spam in the remaining games? It doesn't look promising if we don't start showing some mettle.

We don't necessarily need to finish above both of them.

Apologies. I used 'and' instead of 'or'.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on June 23, 2020, 12:23:40 AM
The difference in GD isn't as bad as I thought it was (between us and Bournemouth/West Ham). We can actually do this without miracles.

One point from the last 18. We need a minimum 10 (I am being very generous) from the next 24.

That my friend would count as a miracle!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 23, 2020, 12:43:39 AM
The difference in GD isn't as bad as I thought it was (between us and Bournemouth/West Ham). We can actually do this without miracles.

One point from the last 18. We need a minimum 10 (I am being very generous) from the next 24.

That my friend would count as a miracle!

I can't imagine that the other two's record is much better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 23, 2020, 01:50:05 AM
Bournemouth 4 points from last 6 games, thanks to beating us
West Ham have 5 points from their last 10 league games
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2020, 06:54:55 AM
Bournemouth 4 points from last 6 games, thanks to beating us
West Ham have 5 points from their last 10 league games
Bournemouth have an awful run in.
West Ham has the easiest out of the the 3 of us.
It could be a very weird final game at an empty Tax payer stadium.
Thatís if we get enough points to stay in touch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on June 23, 2020, 08:07:38 AM
Iíve had a go at forecasting the final results (assuming Norwich are already down and Brighton are safe) for the 4 teams and it ends like this;

Watford 38 points
West Ham 36
Bournemouth 35
Villa 35

So, us and Bournemouth relegated. However, I predicted a draw in our final game at West Ham so if weíd won that, weíd be safe. We are on course for a final day, winner takes all shootout.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on June 23, 2020, 09:17:41 AM
What has pissed me off about this season is the defeats that should have been draws. Every damn point is so important in our position. Those early season games where we were naive have really cost us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2020, 09:19:10 AM
I just think West Ham have more quality than us throughout their team and have more chance of it 'clicking' on a few games than we do.  Don't get me wrong, they look shit, but with their individulal quality I think they'll survive.

If Bowen makes the difference I'll just want to punch Suso repeatedly.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 23, 2020, 11:04:26 AM
Well however you see the individuals - I don't rate most of them -West ham aren't a team . They actually lack any cohesion , are disjointed and the midfield and defence is pretty awful.
Attack wise there isn't much threat at all.
Snodgrass has been decent for them and Lanzini is a player when he's not injured or diving around. But snoddy is injured now. And apart from those 2 and a inconsistent Haller and Injury prone Yarmolenko their isn't much else.
Declan Rice will move on whatever happens but he doesn't offer any attack so they must worry where goals will come from. Antonio is a brute , a trier but lacks any quality.

It won't surprise me if they ship 3+ goals v spurs as they really don't have any togetherness. Midfield will be overrun and Son and Moura if they start should take advantage

Worryingly I thought the same on team spirit with Villa.  Due to lockdown the players have to build up a team spirit again as both squads are a mishmash of individuals. West ham even worse than ourselves

I don't see many outstanding players at West Ham Felipe Anderson hasn't been bothered for a long while and I don't think he'll start trying in a relegation battle.

And despite having some winnable fixtures their lack of any real abilities to won matches and poor manager could well mean they fall behind us if we manage a few points.

They are fortunate it's behind closed door to rest of season as both on the road and at home they would struggle with the crowds

Really hope they go down


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on June 23, 2020, 11:52:44 AM
Like I said theyve been shit, but in Antonio, Fornals, Anderson, Bowen, Lanzini, Yarmalenko, Wilshere, Rice & Fabianski I think they have a lot more quality to call on than we do.  I'd also take their fullbacks over ours.

They are struggling and whether they can make it click remains to be seen, but I think they have a better chance than us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on June 23, 2020, 12:05:17 PM
Like I said theyve been shit, but in Antonio, Fornals, Anderson, Bowen, Lanzini, Yarmalenko, Wilshere, Rice & Fabianski I think they have a lot more quality to call on than we do.  I'd also take their fullbacks over ours.

They are struggling and whether they can make it click remains to be seen, but I think they have a better chance than us.

I agree, but only because they are above us in the table, just.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2020, 01:40:01 PM
Watford will certainly be excited to play Burnley who looked a shambles tonight and are short of players due to issues with contracts ..

Yep big chance for them. We'd be happy playing Burnley in the run in.

I'd be up for Watford pulling well clear if it meant they went to West Ham and won near end of the season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 23, 2020, 01:43:21 PM
What has pissed me off about this season is the defeats that should have been draws. Every damn point is so important in our position. Those early season games where we were naive have really cost us.

If we'd held on in injury time v Spurs and Liverpool we'd be out of the bottom 3 now. Shows the small margins.

Can't help feeling we wasted too much of the early part of the season when we were still on a high after promotion. After the euphoria of beating Everton on that friday night, we were robbed of a point at Palace, had 30 minutes to score v 10 men West Ham, lead twice at Arsenal (also v 10 men) and lead twice at home to Burnley.

Easily another 6-7 points we should've got from that period and that would've put us on 32 points now so we'd have had a buffer over 17th.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Big Ming on June 23, 2020, 02:08:12 PM
I accepted relegation following the Chelsea game.

Not because we are in a much worse position than the others, but because we are such a poor team, poorly managed with poor tactics. The stats don't lie.

If we survive somehow, it will be a bonus, but I'm thinking about how we will bounce back stronger with the Jack transfer money and the parachute cash under new management.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 23, 2020, 02:23:33 PM
It won't surprise me if they ship 3+ goals v spurs as they really don't have any togetherness. Midfield will be overrun and Son and Moura if they start should take advantage

We could do with them and others shipping lots of goals to cancel out our poor goal difference. Right now I can see us being relegated on goal difference, it's that tight down there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 23, 2020, 04:52:33 PM
Like I said theyve been shit, but in Antonio, Fornals, Anderson, Bowen, Lanzini, Yarmalenko, Wilshere, Rice & Fabianski I think they have a lot more quality to call on than we do.  I'd also take their fullbacks over ours.

They are struggling and whether they can make it click remains to be seen, but I think they have a better chance than us.
I have been surprised how poor they look, in the games I have watched they seem to play ok and then concede and look all over the place.
I agree they have more individual talent and an easier run in. I think they will survive at our expense.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on June 24, 2020, 12:18:53 AM
Like I said theyve been shit, but in Antonio, Fornals, Anderson, Bowen, Lanzini, Yarmalenko, Wilshere, Rice & Fabianski I think they have a lot more quality to call on than we do.  I'd also take their fullbacks over ours.

They are struggling and whether they can make it click remains to be seen, but I think they have a better chance than us.

Off the bat I'd say Grealish, Mings and McGinn are better than any of those. AEG and Trez aren't great players but both have moments of quality that are on a par with Antonio, Lanzini and Yarmalenko who are just as inconsistent. Aside from that Samatta has shown he's dangerous if we can find him in the box and Luiz and Hourihane both have it in them to score a screamer from nothing as well. I honestly think that anyone who thinks they've got a better squad is suffering from watching us all the time and only seeing West Ham on highlights. The same is true for Bournemouth as well, both are very poor sides.

I reckon the 2 that go down will end up with about 32 and 34/35 points, I just don't see all 3 of us getting the 3-4 wins required to make 37-38 points the target. I don't think Watford are clear either, Deeney and Deulofeu have carried them just as much as Jack and John have carried us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 24, 2020, 10:27:46 PM
2 wins 6pts - Newcastle and Palace.
4 draws - 4pts Wolves , Arsenal ,  Everton , West Ham
2 defeats - Liverpool , Man Utd

10pts = 36pts

Have to revise that !
3 wins - Palace ,Everton , West Ham
2- draws Wolves Arsenal
2- defeats Liverpool and Man Utd

11pts .
😄
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on June 25, 2020, 08:44:20 AM
I'd feel a hell of a lot more confident about us winning a few games if some of these matches were being played in front of a packed Villa Park.

Glass Half Full  - we've made up ground on the teams immediately above us.

Glass Half Empty - we probably need at least 3 more wins or at minimum 2 wins and 2 draws and I just don't see where this upsurge in form is going to come from.   
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brontebilly on June 25, 2020, 10:15:48 AM
One win could change a lot. There are often surprise results at the end of the season as many teams have little to play for. Unfortunately we have played two such teams so far and to only get two points from those games could sink us for a finish. Our only saving grace is that West Ham, Bournemouth and Norwich have been equally as bad if not worse since the restart.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itbrvilla on June 25, 2020, 10:18:14 AM
I'd feel a hell of a lot more confident about us winning a few games if some of these matches were being played in front of a packed Villa Park.

Glass Half Full  - we've made up ground on the teams immediately above us.

Glass Half Empty - we probably need at least 3 more wins or at minimum 2 wins and 2 draws and I just don't see where this upsurge in form is going to come from.   
Especially after the inevitable batterings we'll likely be on the receiving end of next week.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on June 25, 2020, 10:22:35 AM
We've missed so many opportunities over the last 9 games it's ridiculous.  Brighton, Bounrmouth, Southampton, a way below par Sheffield and Newcastle.  Three points from those 5 games is why we'll go down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 25, 2020, 10:22:48 AM
Get thru these next 2 relatively unscathed and there's still chance.
If the others around us continue to lose too
I've thought again and Wolves and Liverpool should be beating us.
Certainly having a 5-0 defeat to Liverpool won't help goal difference and it may be the wolves match is tougher than the Man utd match.

There's an almighty problem with our left side and Adama really can enjoy whatever he likes.
Wolves scored exactly the same Adama to Jimenez head  for the goal twice now against are delegations rivals .
I not sure if villa are any better equipped to stop that combination.
Tbh 1pt from the next two would be something!

Then the escape to victory begins !

Up the Villa
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 25, 2020, 11:34:46 AM
We've missed so many opportunities over the last 9 games it's ridiculous.  Brighton, Bounrmouth, Southampton, a way below par Sheffield and Newcastle.  Three points from those 5 games is why we'll go down.

Thatís true. And there are other examples from earlier in the season (Burnley at home etc.) but our record against the Ďother 14í team is actually the best of the bottom six.
Itís just as much the fact we somehow managed to take nothing from decent positions against Arsenal, Tottenham and Liverpool. All the other teams have nicked a result here or there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john e on June 25, 2020, 12:32:00 PM
having seen all these 'i cant see where the next win is coming from' posts over the many years iv'e been on this site
and always thought they were a bit over the top, we cant be that bad i think, there's always a chance of something here or there

but for the first time i'm saying - i cant see where the next win is coming from

the Newcastle game was our best chance of 3 points out of all our remaining fixtures and we screwed it up

i think i was more disappointed with that result than the Chelsea one, the Chelsea performance was embarrassing but its what iv'e come to expect against a so called top 6 team
we've taken 1 point so far against those 6 which is a complete joke, absolute bottle jobs

we needed that win against Newcastle
its no use looking at the league and seeing we are a bit closer to the other teams and thinking that's a positive its just delusional

if Norwich are down and Bournmouth are the other candidates we can hopefully finish above then that leaves us West Ham and Watford scrapping to not be the other team relegated

West Ham have the easiest run in by far, they play Burnley (who have given up) Newcastle ( nothing to play for) Watford and then Norwich who are nearly already down
i reckon there's a minimum of 6 points but probably more from them games for them the jammy bastards

so although the league looks close its not great looking at the fixtures and realising we cant buy a win against bad teams never mind the next 3 which are Wolves, Liverpool Man Utd if we get 1 point from that lot we'll be lucky the way we are playing

unfortunately i cant see a way out, especially with Smiths dismal teams and tactics
i like him but he's not been able to step up and is definitely out of his depth in this league,
with no learning from mistakes or improvement likely which is the really damming statement

i would snap your hand off right now for a must Win at West Ham to stay up decider
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 25, 2020, 12:42:40 PM
Exactly the ďwe are on the same pointsĒ is fascicle when you compare our fixtures.
We only get out of this if we pull off some astonishing results And or West Ham completely fuck up against some really poor and disinterested opposition.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on June 25, 2020, 12:45:21 PM
It's a good job football isn't played on paper.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on June 25, 2020, 01:01:31 PM
West Ham still got to play Man U and Chelsea. They win about as many games as us and "completely fuck up" about the same as us as well.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 25, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
Unfair to say Newcastle and Sheff were way below-par. Going forward maybe, but that made it all the harder to score as they reverted to type - being well-organised and difficult to score against. Unfortunately so are a lot of our remaining opponents. We're going to have to pull a rabbit out from somewhere.

The worry is that the next three games yield no points and a total collapse in confidence. I'd fancy us to pick up a win or two if the fixtures were swapped and instead of Wolves/Pool/Ure, our next three games were Palace/Everton/Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on June 25, 2020, 01:38:20 PM
It's not done and dusted at all, but we're very much going to have to do things the hard way.

We've shown we can hurt the top teams - we've lead against literally all of the top 7 at some point this season (I realise Wolves doesn't really count as it was nothing like their first team), we just need to somehow find a way to beat them. Ourselves, Bournemouth and Norwich certainly look like the three most likely to drop, but it's not all doom and gloom yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 25, 2020, 04:42:08 PM
We'd be more than happy with West Ham's fixture list for the run in.

And be pretty confident of staying up if they had ours.

Still though even just 5 points up to end of Arsenal game and I'd be surprised if we didn't take things to the last day where we've seen time and again anything can happen.

We have still picked up two points since restart which is better than nothing so with same ratio I don't think 5 points is out of the question.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 07:44:29 PM
We are level with the teams above us because we managed to score 2 points from 9 against the easier teams in our fixture list.  Which is not good enough.  I include Chelsea because they did not put out their very best side imo and were there for the taking.  If we are still on a par with Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham after the next three games, then, then, we have a chance of staying up.  The next 3 are massive.  Saying that, so were the last three, and the three before that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 25, 2020, 08:02:17 PM
We are level with the teams above us because we managed to score 2 points from 9 against the easier teams in our fixture list.  Which is not good enough.  I include Chelsea because they did not put out their very best side imo and were there for the taking.  If we are still on a par with Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham after the next three games, then, then, we have a chance of staying up.  The next 3 are massive.  Saying that, so were the last three, and the three before that.

Chelsea have named near enough the same team tonight, so I guess Lampard feels that it is his best team.

Ans while our results havenít been great, they ha want been that bad. At the same time weíve seen other teams around us not get any points from what youíd consider Ďeasierí fixtures against Palace and Burnley.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 08:06:17 PM
We are level with the teams above us because we managed to score 2 points from 9 against the easier teams in our fixture list.  Which is not good enough.  I include Chelsea because they did not put out their very best side imo and were there for the taking.  If we are still on a par with Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham after the next three games, then, then, we have a chance of staying up.  The next 3 are massive.  Saying that, so were the last three, and the three before that.

Chelsea have named near enough the same team tonight, so I guess Lampard feels that it is his best team.

Ans while our results havenít been great, they ha want been that bad. At the same time weíve seen other teams around us not get any points from what youíd consider Ďeasierí fixtures against Palace and Burnley.

You have a hot line to Frank and know his thinking?  I'm impressed.  I wonder if he will let us have Tammy and Kovacic in that case then!  Our results have been absolute shite.  We failed to win a single game, two of them at home.  Chelsea are decent, but we bottled it.  2 points from 9 is crap.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 25, 2020, 08:13:10 PM
We are level with the teams above us because we managed to score 2 points from 9 against the easier teams in our fixture list.  Which is not good enough.  I include Chelsea because they did not put out their very best side imo and were there for the taking.  If we are still on a par with Bournemouth, Watford and West Ham after the next three games, then, then, we have a chance of staying up.  The next 3 are massive.  Saying that, so were the last three, and the three before that.

Chelsea have named near enough the same team tonight, so I guess Lampard feels that it is his best team.

Ans while our results havenít been great, they ha want been that bad. At the same time weíve seen other teams around us not get any points from what youíd consider Ďeasierí fixtures against Palace and Burnley.

You have a hot line to Frank and know his thinking?  I'm impressed.  I wonder if he will let us have Tammy and Kovacic in that case then!  Our results have been absolute shite.  We failed to win a single game, two of them at home.  Chelsea are decent, but we bottled it.  2 points from 9 is crap.

I just reckon by virtue of picking almost the same team tonight, against a much better team, with Champions League qualification to play for he probably feels itís his best team. Would be a pretty strange tactic to play a weaker team two games in a row given the circumstances.

Also, Kovacic played against us so clearly wasnít a bad team!

I wasnít particularly enamoured with our performance against them but Chelsea are miles better than us at the moment. And, to be honest, that doesnít really change whether you call that their strongest team or not.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 25, 2020, 08:21:47 PM
Luke, this isn't about Chelsea.  I don't care about them.  This is about us playing three far easier games than the next three games and picking a whole 2 points.  Also, the other teams in the relegation mix have only played 2 games, we've had the extra game, so to be level with them so far ain't that great really.  I appreciate this wasn't your point my friend. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 25, 2020, 08:38:16 PM
Luke, this isn't about Chelsea.  I don't care about them.  This is about us playing three far easier games than the next three games and picking a whole 2 points.  Also, the other teams in the relegation mix have only played 2 games, we've had the extra game, so to be level with them so far ain't that great really.  I appreciate this wasn't your point my friend. 

My point was just, and itís not massively important, but I donít think you can call he game against Chelsea any easier than the Wolves or Man United fixtures personally.

The fact that we have played three games since the restart doesnít make too much different really - we have all played the same over the season - and we are one of four fairly bad teams within a point of each other.

I agree that we really should have taken more points from the Sheffield United and Newcastle games. As we have seen with Watford-Burnley and Bournemouth-Palace it isnít as easy as just winning your Ďeasierí fixtures though.

Anyway, itís hardly the biggest issue. Letís just hope for some improved performances over the next three games and maybe we will pick up some unexpected points!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 25, 2020, 09:44:41 PM
Relegation watch : the bottom six with GD and points all played 31 matches

15    Brighton   -7      33pts
16    Watford -18      28pts   
17    West Ham -19   27pts
-------------------------------------------
18    Bournemouth -21 27pts
19    Aston Villa -23    27pts
20.   Norwich -31 21pts
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 25, 2020, 09:55:09 PM
To state the obvious, so yes why am I then, we need a crazy, didnít see that coming result.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on June 26, 2020, 11:16:01 AM
To state the obvious, so yes why am I then, we need a crazy, didnít see that coming result.
Possibly at Anfield, after the media has gone OTT about the first "home" game of the Covid 19 Champions.

That really would be funny!  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on June 26, 2020, 11:19:48 AM
Luke, this isn't about Chelsea.  I don't care about them.  This is about us playing three far easier games than the next three games and picking a whole 2 points.  Also, the other teams in the relegation mix have only played 2 games, we've had the extra game, so to be level with them so far ain't that great really.  I appreciate this wasn't your point my friend.

You named Chelsea in your original post. You stated it was an easier game. They've just beaten Man City, with pretty much the team that beat us.

We may only have got 2 points, but we're better off against the teams around us than we were. All we need to do is gain 1 more point on them to be fine. We play West Ham and that leaves Bournemouth.

We all know we aren't brilliant, but we're still in with a chance, and frankly anything can happen. We took the lead against Chelsea for starters!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sid1964 on June 26, 2020, 11:24:31 AM
We have stayed up on goal difference in the past - just have a fear that we may go down on goal difference.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on June 26, 2020, 12:24:35 PM
So looking at the remaining fixtures, Bournemouth look to have a pretty tough run in. Watford and West Ham have to play each other and Norwich while we of course play West Ham on the last day.

Whoever loses the Watford v West Ham game will be screwed in my opinion & a point won't be much good to either. If Norwich could also take a point off one of them that would be great.

We have to keep the faith.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on June 26, 2020, 12:31:56 PM
So looking at the remaining fixtures, Bournemouth look to have a pretty tough run in. Watford and West Ham have to play each other and Norwich while we of course play West Ham on the last day.

Whoever loses the Watford v West Ham game will be screwed in my opinion & a point won't be much good to either. If Norwich could also take a point off one of them that would be great.

We have to keep the faith.

I'd have more faith if we showed any intent that we actually wanted to win a game and had the ability to do that.  The last time I can recall us "having a go" was the Spurs game at home.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OCD on June 26, 2020, 12:47:59 PM
We were pushing for a win in the last few minutes of the Newcastle game. We could have done with not giving away a stupid goal and upping them tempo much sooner of course. We could have really done with winning that game when you see our fixtures.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: placeforparks on June 26, 2020, 01:19:27 PM
i hope i'm wrong, but here's my prediction.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZGtqhMy/table.png)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on June 26, 2020, 03:25:27 PM
So looking at the remaining fixtures, Bournemouth look to have a pretty tough run in. Watford and West Ham have to play each other and Norwich while we of course play West Ham on the last day.

Whoever loses the Watford v West Ham game will be screwed in my opinion & a point won't be much good to either. If Norwich could also take a point off one of them that would be great.

We have to keep the faith.

I'd have more faith if we showed any intent that we actually wanted to win a game and had the ability to do that.  The last time I can recall us "having a go" was the Spurs game at home.

I think that's the one area that has disappointed me, we seem to lack a mentality to just go for it. Whether we've the personnel is another question of course but you'd think we should still be able to lump it forwards, and take a gamble.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2020, 08:43:47 AM
We can't discount Watford from all this.
I think Norwich have to keep fighting and need them to pick up a few results to be in with a chance of staying up. They have 6 pointer matches still to come but if down becomes an irrelevance.

West Ham have home matches against Burnley, Watford and away to Norwich City before they play us.

But Watford have a similar difficulty to Villa in matches remaining bit their home matches are Southampton, Norwich, Newcastle and Man City.

I think of all the teams it's Bournemouth that have a lot to fear seeing their fixtures -Man Utd (A), Tottenham (H), Leicester (H), Man City (A) and Everton (A)

Very interesting what happens next few games to rivals
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
The way the fixtures are holding out for Newacstle United and Steve Bruce to do us massive favours and get some points .
Hoping they keep trying till season end and Bruce does everything he can to finish high up the table to enhance his own job prospects of staying on up there !

Difficult team to play so our relegation rivals have tough matches v Toon.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 27, 2020, 06:30:20 PM
Why do West ham have 9 days or so between matches and Bournemouth a week between games
Yet BT sport come in and ruin villa having the Wednesday and today's morning match.

Villa should have had more say in that as it's really damaging to our chances

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on June 27, 2020, 06:53:45 PM
Football's return will lift morale of the country someone once said.

Twat.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 27, 2020, 08:45:32 PM
Neck stuck firmly out here, it's not totally improbable for us to move up the table before we play again. Bournemouth play Newcastle and m'Ure in that time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 27, 2020, 09:23:54 PM
Football's return will lift morale of the country someone once said.

Twat.

It was massively irresponsible, from the perspective of mental health, to bring back football before the pubs were open so I can at least drown my sorrows at The Bartons. The ******.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on June 27, 2020, 11:08:38 PM
i hope i'm wrong, but here's my prediction.

(https://i.ibb.co/ZGtqhMy/table.png)

I cant see WHam getting a win, let alone 3.
BĎMouth will lose at least one of Spurs, LCity and Everton
Though I think you are spot on for Villa, and WHam will park the bus against us.

But good to have a prediction.

I have B'Mouth getting a win against S'Ton, and draws against Newcastle &  Everton,

WHam 4 draws against Newcastle, Burnley, Norwich & Watford

US, win against Palace & Wham ( yes I've started drinking again) and draw against Everton.

So we might be safe, but not sure my predictions are spot on  ::)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on June 28, 2020, 01:18:33 AM
Need Newcastle to do is some favours this week I worry that that just the point against them is going to look worse come the end of the week ..

Southampton too v Watford

Liverpool next game need to hope they put all Thier efforts into beating City just for bragging rights then stick the kids / reserves out against us ..though the kids they had on against Palace looked pretty good..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on June 28, 2020, 01:24:59 AM
I think both Watford and Bournemouth will pick up points in there next couple of games. Newcastle are the weak link in our need for other clubs to do us a favour. At the end of the day, you have to help yourselves at some point and we are incapable of that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 28, 2020, 07:36:25 AM
Itís a decent prediction and shows how close it is, it also shows up how difficult our run in is compared to Watford West Ham.
The bookies donít often lose money and they have Norwich BMouth and us down.
Does any one still believe we are staying up, if so get your bets on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 28, 2020, 08:13:55 AM
Iím not reading anything into who teams have left to play, for two reasons - at this stage of the season, there are more than often a number of freak results, and secondly, we are so poor right now that every single game is a huge challenge, regardless of of the opposition.  Basically, we are hoping for that freak result every game. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 28, 2020, 08:44:47 AM
Here's something for you:

Just to highlight with Manchester United winning in yesterday cup match they will have to change the scheduled penultimate weekend fixture Vs West Ham.

The fa cup semi finals are played on July 18th/19th so that match will be moved probably to the midweek a few days before Villa I guess ?

Now Villa Vs Arsenal would also have to be moved to midweek slot a few days before final match of the season if Arsenal also win through to semis today.

I think we should all be supporting Sheff U in cup so we can play Arsenal on the weekend match and have a longer recovery time(possibly a week)  Vs West Ham who I believe will have to play a few days before ,travelling up to Man Utd , and then the showdown Vs Villa on Sunday 26th July
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Hillbilly on June 28, 2020, 10:35:41 AM
Weíre gone. The carcass is lying lifeless and the vultures and hyenas are closing in.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on June 28, 2020, 12:30:59 PM
Hello darkness my old friend......
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on June 28, 2020, 11:51:19 PM
Saints did us a big favour today. Annoyingly, 33 poit's might be enough to stay up this season. Can we get 6/7 points from the remaining games? Need to beat Arsenal & Palace!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on June 29, 2020, 12:12:15 AM
We will get hammered by Liverpool, ManU, and Everton, Arsenal are poor but no way near as poor as us so expect them to beat us 1-0, and we might if we are lucky scrape a draw and a win from Palace/WHU.

4 points - 31 in total. Nowhere near enough - we are getting what the management and squad deserve for the drivel they have served up.

Itís time to turn our attention to rebuild number 7!!

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 29, 2020, 07:10:39 AM
We will be lucky to get to the West Ham game with something to play for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2020, 09:34:09 AM
So our game at home to Arsenal will have to be moved now cos of their progress in the Cup, Vill I An? As long as we don't get fewer days than Wham to prepare for the last day showdown (best case scenario at the moment).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 29, 2020, 09:53:16 AM
We will be lucky to get to the West Ham game with something to play for.

Agreed. I'd take that if offered right now.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2020, 09:56:50 AM
The way it is at the moment we will probably be relegated without taking anymore points, but go down on goal difference.

The lack of crowds shows what a huge leveller fans can be for the weaker sides. Yes we are all poor, but 3 points from the bottom 5 so far and we account for 2 of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on June 29, 2020, 11:17:27 AM
The way it is at the moment we will probably be relegated without taking anymore points, but go down on goal difference.


Everyone else is losing by more goals that us, so maybe thatís the plan behind tightening up the defence - we can 0-1 our way to safety!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 29, 2020, 11:36:19 AM
It's  lack of spirit and willingness to " bust a gut" for the club from the manager and players that is so galling.
Just fucking give it a go
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 29, 2020, 11:53:03 AM
It's so frustrating, because as little as two wins could keep us up, yet who can see us doing that? This whole relegation battle is akin to the obstacle race on It's a Knockout. 

Kids, ask your Dad...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on June 29, 2020, 12:08:19 PM
love lies bleeding on the floor
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
The way it is at the moment we will probably be relegated without taking anymore points, but go down on goal difference.

The lack of crowds shows what a huge leveller fans can be for the weaker sides. Yes we are all poor, but 3 points from the bottom 5 so far and we account for 2 of them.

You used to be so optimistic  :(
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2020, 12:18:02 PM
love lies bleeding on the floor

Blimey, are people trying to outdo each other to sound as depressed as possible? I thought 'hello darkness, my old friend' earlier was over the top and the post about lifeless carcasses. It's all a bit much.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on June 29, 2020, 12:29:48 PM
The good thing is that the race to stay up is a bit like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where Di Caprio's character is off his tits on Quaaludes, crawling back to his Lambo, unable to walk or talk. That's us, Bournemouth, West Ham and Watford.

So if we are to survive, we probably need to learn how tocrawl on our hands and knees, rather than amble or even shuffle. So that's a positive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
The good thing is that the race to stay up is a bit like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where Di Caprio's character is off his tits on Quaaludes, crawling back to his Lambo, unable to walk or talk. That's us, Bournemouth, West Ham and Watford.

So if we are to survive, we probably need to learn how tocrawl on our hands and knees, rather than amble or even shuffle. So that's a positive.

I thought of that scene when I remembered being pushed upstairs to bed one night.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on June 29, 2020, 12:43:13 PM
The absolute critical games to watch now are the Crystal Palace game and the Everton game, we need to win one of those, that then allows other teams around us to get a result from there games, but still keeps us in there, it all then comes down to West Ham Utd, that tight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 29, 2020, 01:11:56 PM
The good thing is that the race to stay up is a bit like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where Di Caprio's character is off his tits on Quaaludes, crawling back to his Lambo, unable to walk or talk. That's us, Bournemouth, West Ham and Watford.

So if we are to survive, we probably need to learn how tocrawl on our hands and knees, rather than amble or even shuffle. So that's a positive.

I thought Blose were the knuckle-draggers, not us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on June 29, 2020, 01:15:09 PM
The good thing is that the race to stay up is a bit like that scene in Wolf of Wall Street where Di Caprio's character is off his tits on Quaaludes, crawling back to his Lambo, unable to walk or talk. That's us, Bournemouth, West Ham and Watford.

So if we are to survive, we probably need to learn how tocrawl on our hands and knees, rather than amble or even shuffle. So that's a positive.

I don't think that's a very good analogy.  We're sprinting like Usain Bolt back to the clapped out, T reg Marina that is the Championship.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on June 29, 2020, 09:03:15 PM
At the moment that outrageous decision at Selhurst Park is the difference between us being in the relegation zone and being above it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2020, 09:22:52 PM
At the moment that outrageous decision at Selhurst Park is the difference between us being in the relegation zone and being above it.

And if we hadnt scored that last minute goal against Brighton at home, that perfectly good goal we had disallowed in the first half would have made us even worse off.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AVH87 on June 29, 2020, 09:49:40 PM
At the moment that outrageous decision at Selhurst Park is the difference between us being in the relegation zone and being above it.

Surely the luck against Sheff U levelled that out?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: exigo on June 29, 2020, 09:57:01 PM
At the moment that outrageous decision at Selhurst Park is the difference between us being in the relegation zone and being above it.

Surely the luck against Sheff U levelled that out?

That Arsenal handball that wasn't given will piss me off if it's the difference between dropping or not. I was right in line with it. So blatant.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 29, 2020, 10:02:52 PM
At the moment that outrageous decision at Selhurst Park is the difference between us being in the relegation zone and being above it.

Surely the luck against Sheff U levelled that out?

That Arsenal handball that wasn't given will piss me off if it's the difference between dropping or not. I was right in line with it. So blatant.

Of all the VAR controversies, that's the biggie. I don't know how anybody could look at that in real time or replay and not think it was handball.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 29, 2020, 10:59:44 PM
I reckon that Liverpool will put out a really strong side against Man City on Thursday because they won't want to lose to their closest rivals and this will take a lot out of them.  Therefore, against Villa, they will put out a mixture.  We will see of course but we may have a sniff yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2020, 11:30:49 PM
I reckon that Liverpool will put out a really strong side against Man City on Thursday because they won't want to lose to their closest rivals and this will take a lot out of them.  Therefore, against Villa, they will put out a mixture.  We will see of course but we may have a sniff yet.

I have a weird feeling that they'll do us a favour. Whether we could capitalise if they did is another question.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on June 29, 2020, 11:35:55 PM
I think they will rest players against Man City. Klopp won't want to give them the possible psychological boost of beating their proper team. I think they'll play a few kids against us, too. Think we have more chance at Liverpool than we do at home to Man U the week after.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 29, 2020, 11:38:11 PM
I think they will rest players against Man City. Klopp won't want to give them the possible psychological boost of beating their proper team. I think they'll play a few kids against us, too. Think we have more chance at Liverpool than we do at home to Man U the week after.

Yep, there's a minor chance that we'll catch Liverpool at a good time. Man Utd will batter us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 29, 2020, 11:41:58 PM
The next two are free hits, with the obvious hope that we donít make our goal difference even more horrendous than it is currently of course. The last four games really will be the making or breaking of us - as long as the other three teams down there with us have carried on the way theyíve restarted.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2020, 05:41:08 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2020, 06:45:00 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.


And we may have to gain points from all four games left, can anyone really see us doing that?  Stealing points in our next two games may be crucial.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2020, 07:40:49 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.

Alternatively we might not be
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2020, 07:53:11 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.
Home v Wigan, November 2020.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on June 30, 2020, 07:56:34 AM
The way it is at the moment we will probably be relegated without taking anymore points, but go down on goal difference.

The lack of crowds shows what a huge leveller fans can be for the weaker sides. Yes we are all poor, but 3 points from the bottom 5 so far and we account for 2 of them.
This is my feelings. Villa might be bad, but at the moment the other 4 are even worse. It's and Brighton are the only sides with any momentum whatsoever.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on June 30, 2020, 08:04:01 AM
Interesting that Brighton have only lost one of their last seven games, but haven't really gone anywhere, they are still only a couple of points above the relegation zone and their form may dip again.  I doubt it, but they could become involved again.

A freaky result here and there yet to come, I just hope that we are the team to do it!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on June 30, 2020, 08:07:10 AM
 Our current plight reminds me of the classic scene in Fawlty Towers when Basil is being berated by a customer for running the worst hotel in Britain. The major interjects saying ďno, wait I wonít have that...!Ē. Basil looks momentarily relieved before the major says ď thereís a place in Eastbourne thatís even worseĒ. In our case we have to hope that instead of Eastbourne itís Bournemouth, Norwich and the Theatre of Porn.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AVH87 on June 30, 2020, 09:57:57 AM
Interesting that Brighton have only lost one of their last seven games, but haven't really gone anywhere, they are still only a couple of points above the relegation zone and their form may dip again.  I doubt it, but they could become involved again.

Brighton are 6 points clear of the bottom 3, with a superior goal difference and a game in hand on some of the teams around them, I think they'll be feeling very confident about getting another 4-5 points from their last 7 games to guarantee safety.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2020, 10:00:45 AM
Interesting that Brighton have only lost one of their last seven games, but haven't really gone anywhere, they are still only a couple of points above the relegation zone and their form may dip again.  I doubt it, but they could become involved again.

Brighton are 6 points clear of the bottom 3, with a superior goal difference and a game in hand on some of the teams around them, I think they'll be feeling very confident about getting another 4-5 points from their last 7 games to guarantee safety.
They might have enough allready
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on June 30, 2020, 10:40:51 AM
I think 5 points will be enough - all the teams in the mire are dreadful. It's those that get the rub of the green and can keep a clean sheet will be the survivors. Oh, and actually have some bottle.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on June 30, 2020, 10:48:29 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.

Alternatively we might not be

That's not how it works, please remain negative.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2020, 10:55:56 AM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.

Alternatively we might not be

That's not how it works, please remain negative.

Sorry momentary blip 😂
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 30, 2020, 11:51:44 AM
I think 5 points will be enough - all the teams in the mire are dreadful. It's those that get the rub of the green and can keep a clean sheet will be the survivors. Oh, and actually have some bottle.

I make us having a grand total of none of the three factors that you highlight there
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2020, 12:55:14 PM
I think 5 points will be enough - all the teams in the mire are dreadful. It's those that get the rub of the green and can keep a clean sheet will be the survivors. Oh, and actually have some bottle.

I make us having a grand total of none of the three factors that you highlight there


Rub of the green - Sheff U
Clean sheet - again, Sheff U
Bottle - I've seen nothing to suggest a lack of it, unless the definition of 'bottle' is tear-arsing around the pitch hacking down anything in an opposition shirt.

My apologies for the positivity.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2020, 01:09:24 PM
Rub of the green - Sheff U
Clean sheet - again, Sheff U
Bottle - I've seen nothing to suggest a lack of it, unless the definition of 'bottle' is tear-arsing around the pitch hacking down anything in an opposition shirt.
I think bottle really means energy, urgency, fighting to the last and to use your word positivity.  There isn't much positivity on here, for obvious reasons, but there's more than there is on the pitch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on June 30, 2020, 01:26:16 PM
Ok, I'll admit we had a lucky break against Sheff U, and we also kept a clean sheet, however I'm sure you'll agree, there have been a hell of a lot of other games where we have had the shit decisions go against us, and clean sheets have been like hen's teeth. 

I'm all for positivity, but I'm also all for realism and not ignoring the fact that we are where we are because we haven't shown that we have what it takes to survive. 

No one will be more happy than me if we buck these trends, I'm just not as confident as you are that we will.  I hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2020, 01:34:58 PM
I'm not overly confident that we will stay up, but I am looking at it and thinking that we're not down yet. Of the bottom 5, we're the form side, we've shortened the gap from when the restart began, and if Newcastle knuckle down tomorrow there's a chance we could move up a place before we next play. With the way it's going at the bottom, we could stay up with about 33 points!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2020, 05:47:33 PM
Form side, I like it!
Moyesy and Howe were full of fighting talk in their pressers today. They both think their teams can win all their remaining games !
Conversely, I'm half-expecting Dean to give a clenched fist to the director's box ŗ la McLeish if we manage a draw against Crystal Palace.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2020, 06:05:10 PM
I'll admit that who's 'the form side' is a pretty low bar. As for Moyes and Howe, ooooooooh, scary, I won't be filling me keks just yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 30, 2020, 07:19:15 PM
Being hit by fixtures here but at least Villa have a bit more time to recover after the Everton away match .

Maybe that will be played on the Wednesday /Thursday and then Villa play Arsenal the following Wednesday - West Ham final day Sunday

Aston Villa v Arsenal, Manchester United v West Ham United, Watford v Manchester City will all be moved from a weekend schedule to 21 or 22 July

Be good to have as many days to recover for each of those fixtures after the man u and palace being so close to each other

 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 30, 2020, 07:35:18 PM
I'll admit that who's 'the form side' is a pretty low bar. As for Moyes and Howe, ooooooooh, scary, I won't be filling me keks just yet.
Whatever disparaging things we may say about Bournemouth and West Ham and their managers I can guarantee they're saying exactly the same things about us.  I doubt West Ham are shitting themselves about being at home to us on the final day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 30, 2020, 07:39:54 PM
I'll admit that who's 'the form side' is a pretty low bar. As for Moyes and Howe, ooooooooh, scary, I won't be filling me keks just yet.
Whatever disparaging things we may say about Bournemouth and West Ham and their managers I can guarantee they're saying exactly the same things about us.  I doubt West Ham are shitting themselves about being at home to us on the final day.

If itís still winner takes by that game they will be shitting themselves about playing us
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on June 30, 2020, 07:41:09 PM
I shit myself when we are playing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2020, 07:46:40 PM
But it's this fighting talk in their pressers, like they've just noticed they're in the shit and them getting all angried up about it is what'll sort it out. Load of rolling up sleeves & putting on boots bollocks, innit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 30, 2020, 07:56:12 PM
No one will ever shit themselves while watching their team as much as that Albion fan did.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 30, 2020, 08:25:42 PM
Sunderland fan did it a few seasons ago aswell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on June 30, 2020, 08:49:56 PM
Even if we do go down, it won't be a rebuilding job again. We'll need a couple of additions, granted but we won't lose many of the squad we have.

1/ that probably says a lot about the quality.
2/ it bodes well for them knowing each other more.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on June 30, 2020, 09:20:28 PM
Even if we do go down, it won't be a rebuilding job again. We'll need a couple of additions, granted but we won't lose many of the squad we have.

1/ that probably says a lot about the quality.
2/ it bodes well for them knowing each other more.

What the quality of our team is Championship quality? Yes I think we have seen that
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 30, 2020, 09:24:19 PM
Even if we do go down, it won't be a rebuilding job again. We'll need a couple of additions, granted but we won't lose many of the squad we have.

1/ that probably says a lot about the quality.
2/ it bodes well for them knowing each other more.

What the quality of our team is Championship quality? Yes I think we have seen that
And we will lose the 3 best players that got us up, SJM Mings Jack.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 30, 2020, 09:26:00 PM
Form side, I like it!
Moyesy and Howe were full of fighting talk in their pressers today. They both think their teams can win all their remaining games !
Conversely, I'm half-expecting Dean to give a clenched fist to the director's box ŗ la McLeish if we manage a draw against Crystal Palace.

If Dean said it, you wouldn't be able to move on here for "Don't tell me show me" comments.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on June 30, 2020, 09:30:38 PM
That is true.

I still think Brighton are there to be dragged-in. They have a buffer sure, thanks to fcuking Arsenal, but their fixture list is even worse than ours. I have doubts that they'll win another game this season, I even fancy Norwich to at least take a point off them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on June 30, 2020, 09:36:58 PM
I think we have a chance, unless Bournemouth  and West Ham win another game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on June 30, 2020, 09:39:18 PM
Brighton's biggest saving point at the moment is that they'd need three of the clubs now below them all to better their remaining results by seven points to take them down. That's going to take some turnaround from how pish they are now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 01, 2020, 01:23:45 PM
Key games tonight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 01:44:05 PM
Brighton's biggest saving point at the moment is that they'd need three of the clubs now below them all to better their remaining results by seven points to take them down. That's going to take some turnaround from how pish they are now.

Think Brighton were safe from minute they scored that winner v Arsenal. They can pick up points from likes of Norwich and newcastle.

Thinking we can finish above a team on 33 points is wishful thinking, would rather concentrate on the ones on same points as us and Watford on 28.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 01, 2020, 02:00:07 PM
Bournemouth will win tonight. Nailed on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 06:08:34 PM
Bournemouth 1 down already, like us they'll struggle to win another game this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 01, 2020, 06:11:21 PM
Come on Newcastle, another 3 and we move up a place!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 06:37:50 PM
As bad as we are I fancy us to finish above Bournemouth.

Still looks an ask to finish above West Ham or Watford though.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on July 01, 2020, 06:43:01 PM
Come on Newcastle, another 3 and we move up a place!

One more isn't it and we go above them on goals scored? West Ham to lose 5-0 and we're out of the zone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 07:17:55 PM
Above Bournemouth now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 01, 2020, 07:27:05 PM
Bournemouth will win tonight. Nailed on.

This aged well! 😉
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: walsall villain on July 01, 2020, 07:30:11 PM
Bournemouth will win tonight. Nailed on.

This aged well! 😉
I was fully expecting they would too
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 01, 2020, 07:35:55 PM
Bournemouth will win tonight. Nailed on.

This aged well! 😉
I was fully expecting they would too

To be fair, I thought Bournemouth would win as well. Now theyíre four down.

Canít believe we gave them six points this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 01, 2020, 07:51:49 PM
Bournemouth are gone. Their players are doing something that all players in doomed sides do, abdicating responsibility to shoot.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 01, 2020, 07:58:05 PM
Bournemouth will win tonight. Nailed on.

This aged well! 😉
I was fully expecting they would too

To be fair, I thought Bournemouth would win as well. Now theyíre four down.

Canít believe we gave them six points this season.

Shows how much I know. Iíll blame my pessimism on following Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2020, 08:04:06 PM
Er...come on Chelsea!*

*Vomits
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 01, 2020, 08:04:37 PM
I've always loved Newcastle. Well, I will for their next 3 games, anyway. Spam Sunday, Watford the following Saturday. Howay the lads!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 01, 2020, 08:06:29 PM
Er...come on Chelsea!*

*Vomits

You can bring yourself to cheer Tammy for this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 01, 2020, 08:14:16 PM
Er...come on Chelsea!*

*Vomits

You can bring yourself to cheer Tammy for this.

I certainly can.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 09:36:19 PM
I always thought with their fixtures left it was a long shot to hope West Ham kept on losing.

It's Watford we need to catch. Still got to play Arsenal, Man. City and Chelsea so a few more games they can lose in the run in.

West Ham having nothing to play for on the final day would help aswell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2020, 10:09:52 PM
West Ham have done something that we have failed to do all season, beat a top 6 side. Itís about time Dean actually got our team to fucking do that. If we go down itíll be because weíve been fucking wretched far far too often. I canít imagine us coming from behind to win like that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 01, 2020, 10:12:44 PM
That's the difference between us and our fellow strugglers. They can pull a surprise result out of the bag.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 01, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
We just lack belief. Think of all the times we've actually taken the lead in these type of games and we can barely even hang on for a point.

No feeling we can fight back and get a draw. When Chelsea scored the second the other week we barely created anything until that Jota shot past the post. There was still half an hour left when Giroud scored.

Still let's hope Watford lose 4 of their last 6 and so we still have a chance. Chelsea up next for Watford....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on July 01, 2020, 10:16:42 PM
West Ham exposed Alonso 's defending , we allowed him to have the left side of the pitch to himself.We were far too negative in that game
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: richtheholtender on July 01, 2020, 10:18:39 PM
You just know when we go down that we wonít just win the championship and come back up like most premier league sides. We will be 12th in February and probably spend 3 years down there 🙄
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 01, 2020, 10:18:56 PM
Bye then, top flight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brontebilly on July 01, 2020, 10:31:34 PM
West Ham might have been fortunate to win tonight but they still showed a level of organisation, spirit and quality thats miles above what we are producing. Can't imagine Trez or AEG producing a finish like Yarmolenko managed at the end. West Ham should pick up another 6 or 7 points based on their fixtures. Might be safe before our game.

It's down to four teams left unless Brighton get dragged back in.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on July 01, 2020, 10:33:37 PM
You just know when we go down that we wonít just win the championship and come back up like most premier league sides. We will be 12th in February and probably spend 3 years down there 🙄

Most Prem leagues don't come back up ,the current bottom 6 in the Championship 4 of them are recent PL clubs inc Stoke and Boro.Of the 3 teams that went down last season at best one will get back up and then only via the play offs

I see people saying we will go down and regroup and bounce back or they enjoyed the Championship.They must only be remember the last 12 weeks or so of our 3 rd season down there , on our 3 manager , 2nd owners and countless games against small teams that where every bit as bad as losing to Chelsea etc.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The_ads on July 01, 2020, 10:42:55 PM
No point in hoping other teams continue to get beat when we arenít threatening to win actual football matches. The sad thing is, looking at the run ins of Watford, Brighton and Bournemouth, we probably need 2 wins and 2 draws to stop up. We arenít even threatening a shot on goal let alone a win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on July 02, 2020, 03:54:29 AM
Yes, if we can't manage to win, or even look like winning, we don't deserve to stay up. No one seems bothered.
Norwich show more fight than we do
The gamble hasn't worked.
I hope we don't get screwed on the Grealish transfer fee.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2020, 03:57:50 AM
Yes, if we can't manage to win, or even look like winning, we don't deserve to stay up. No one seems bothered.
Norwich show more fight than we do
The gamble hasn't worked.
I hope we don't get screwed on the Grealish transfer fee.

How are Norwich showing more fight? They've lost all 3, conceding 8 and scoring 0.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 02, 2020, 04:07:43 AM
I sense that there's results being attributed to other sides that haven't happened.

Mini league since the restart

Edited, now with shots/on target tacked on

West Ham   P3 W1 D0 L2 F3 A6 27/8
Aston Villa   P4 W0 D2 L2 F2 A4 47/13
Watford      P3 W0 D1 L2 F2 A5 26/9
B'mouth      P3 W0 D0 L3 F1 A7 28/2
Norwich      P3 W0 D0 L3 F0 A8 26/4

I can't square this circle of apparently having no fight or bottle compared to our immediate peers when we've conceded the fewest goals (including the only clean sheet in the 16 games played so far) and had the most efforts.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on July 02, 2020, 04:47:32 AM
Yes, if we can't manage to win, or even look like winning, we don't deserve to stay up. No one seems bothered.
Norwich show more fight than we do
The gamble hasn't worked.
I hope we don't get screwed on the Grealish transfer fee.

How are Norwich showing more fight? They've lost all 3, conceding 8 and scoring 0.

There's a difference between showing fight, and ability. Norwich players at least have a go at it, despite of their position and overall ability.

Villa's players have greater ability, but just don't seem up for it.
I hope I am wrong, but I can't see it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 02, 2020, 05:11:26 AM
Watford have an easier finish to the season and although i believe we have the better players i think their players fight harder. If they beat Norwich it's going to be very difficult.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sid1964 on July 02, 2020, 06:22:40 AM
Looking at the games that Bournemouth have to play, it looks as though they are gone (and alot of journalists etc. thought that there Manager was going to be shoe-in for the England job)

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 02, 2020, 07:44:10 AM
Watford have an easier finish to the season and although i believe we have the better players i think their players fight harder. If they beat Norwich it's going to be very difficult.
Watford will get 7 points imo. Leaving us needing 8 and snookers. Two win and two draws from 6 games. Not going to happen is it
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2020, 08:30:52 AM
Only consolation i can see is since we've returned we've lost to teams who are miles better than us  If anything on form, newcastle and sheffield united look good results. Anything from Liverpool and ManU would be a miracle, so really its down to 4 games where the chances of a win are more than a fluke. Palace and arsenal are must wins.  A draw at everton is possible.  34 points at a nervous/safe west ham for the final game?  Doable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: WassallVillain on July 02, 2020, 08:42:11 AM
Can't imagine Trez or AEG producing a finish like Yarmolenko managed at the end.

Grealish could do that but of course he would be fouled before he had the chance.  Compare last nights foul stats from similar possession stats.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2020, 08:48:00 AM
Only consolation i can see is since we've returned we've lost to teams who are miles better than us  If anything on form, newcastle and sheffield united look good results. Anything from Liverpool and ManU would be a miracle, so really its down to 4 games where the chances of a win are more than a fluke. Palace and arsenal are must wins.  A draw at everton is possible.  34 points at a nervous/safe west ham for the final game?  Doable.
How does Sheffield look a good result?  Forgetting their position in the table they've been dreadful since the restart and were absolutely there for the taking.  Our failure to capitalise on that opportunity is probably what will ultimately cost us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on July 02, 2020, 08:49:41 AM
Yarmalenko cost more than El Ghazi and Trezeguet put together.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2020, 08:55:14 AM
erm......you can't really forget their position in the table. They are 17 points ahead of us and have let in 23 less goals.  For all their iffy form since the return, they should beat pish like us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2020, 08:59:33 AM
erm......you can't really forget their position in the table. They are 17 points ahead of us and have let in 23 less goals.  For all their iffy form since the return, they should beat pish like us.
Disagree.  You said on form Sheffield looks like a good result.  Given they have looked awful since the restart then on form it looks like a poor result.

If your going purely on table position, then Newcastle looks like a poor result given our circumstances and needing to find wins somewhere.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on July 02, 2020, 09:05:39 AM
erm......you can't really forget their position in the table. They are 17 points ahead of us and have let in 23 less goals.  For all their iffy form since the return, they should beat pish like us.
Disagree.  You said on form Sheffield looks like a good result.  Given they have looked awful since the restart then on form it looks like a poor result.

If your going purely on table position, then Newcastle looks like a poor result given our circumstances and needing to find wins somewhere.
Hindsight and chances-created suggest we should have beaten both SheffU and Jawdies - we lack the clinical delivery of goals.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 02, 2020, 09:08:46 AM
erm......you can't really forget their position in the table. They are 17 points ahead of us and have let in 23 less goals.  For all their iffy form since the return, they should beat pish like us.
Disagree.  You said on form Sheffield looks like a good result.  Given they have looked awful since the restart then on form it looks like a poor result.

If your going purely on table position, then Newcastle looks like a poor result given our circumstances and needing to find wins somewhere.


Well i meant form this season really. Sheffield United could pack up today and we still wouldn't get within waving distance. And it would be a brave man who bets that 17 point gap won't be bigger by the end of the season even with their post-Covid form.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Fish on July 02, 2020, 09:53:23 AM
Bournemouth were awful last night. Had the stink of us (Newcastle) when we were relegated. No conviction, desperation wafting off them.

ASM had the run of the Vitality Stadium and while taking him off made total sense, had he stayed on I think we would have scored more than the 4. They'll go down if they play anything like that again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 02, 2020, 09:57:47 AM
I'm as one-eyed as the next man/woman/non-binary when it comes to Villa, but I am convinced we are screwed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2020, 09:59:34 AM
How are Norwich showing more fight? They've lost all 3, conceding 8 and scoring 0.
Last night against Arsenal I saw Norwich players eagerly picking the ball out of the net and then running to kick off again. Now that's fighting spirit ::)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2020, 10:01:49 AM
I'm as one-eyed as the next man/woman/non-binary when it comes to Villa, but I am convinced we are screwed.
It appears that our strategy that teams around us will lose all their remaining matches is a little suspect.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on July 02, 2020, 10:23:36 AM
Aftab- Iíve spent the last couple of weeks looking out for other teamsí results and checking the table. After West Ham beat Chelsea I told myself  enoughí enough of that. Down to us now to scrape home. Fk everyone else, although Watford look like getting dragged in now...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 02, 2020, 10:28:04 AM
Losing to Bournemouth twice, Watford away and dropping points v West Ham is what ultimately is going to relegate us. Itís our own bloody fault. Not been good enough and weíve crumbled.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on July 02, 2020, 10:30:45 AM
Iím.clutching at straws ,but just maybe ,in this darkest of times a win could pop up in our next two games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on July 02, 2020, 10:56:01 AM
Only consolation i can see is since we've returned we've lost to teams who are miles better than us  If anything on form, newcastle and sheffield united look good results. Anything from Liverpool and ManU would be a miracle, so really its down to 4 games where the chances of a win are more than a fluke. Palace and arsenal are must wins.  A draw at everton is possible.  34 points at a nervous/safe west ham for the final game?  Doable.
How does Sheffield look a good result?  Forgetting their position in the table they've been dreadful since the restart and were absolutely there for the taking.  Our failure to capitalise on that opportunity is probably what will ultimately cost us.

Yes, you're right, our season all comes down to only getting a draw at home to Sheffield United, who were in the Top 7 when we played them in the first game anyone had played in 100 days..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 02, 2020, 12:12:14 PM
Let's just enjoy being 18th for a few days and not think about liverpool.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2020, 01:37:25 PM
Imagine if we need to get to 30 points to stay up (say Watford just draw 2 and lose 4 of their last six which is possible) and we can't even reach that!

We had 25 points by January 21st after beating Watford so would've had nearly half a season to find one win so a pretty pathetic way to get relegated if we can't even do that.

Shows how long we've been in terrible form and I really can't see any way DS should continue next season if we go down in that manner.

Would be a bit different if we suddenly showed some fight and got a couple of wins and draws from games left but West Ham and Watford started winning and so we needed to get to 38 points to stay up and that was too much to do.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 02, 2020, 01:53:24 PM
Losing to Bournemouth twice, Watford away and dropping points v West Ham is what ultimately is going to relegate us. Itís our own bloody fault. Not been good enough and weíve crumbled.

Also Southampton away. A vital game we threw away as the players werenít prepared to scrap and risk injury with the big glory final a week away.

One of the first glimpses that Jack had seen enough too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 02, 2020, 02:00:03 PM
Worth noting though that if Mings hadn't scored in 94th minute in the Watford home game they'd be four clear of us so things could be worse.

For me our record v top 6/7 is more reason if we go down. In normal seasons it wouldn't matter so much but every other week one of our rivals is getting a "shock" win v them. All the more pathetic when you see how many times we were leading v one of them in the second half and we couldn't even close out a draw.

Draws v Liverpool and Spurs at home and we'd be 17th.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on July 02, 2020, 02:06:01 PM
Only consolation i can see is since we've returned we've lost to teams who are miles better than us  If anything on form, newcastle and sheffield united look good results. Anything from Liverpool and ManU would be a miracle, so really its down to 4 games where the chances of a win are more than a fluke. Palace and arsenal are must wins.  A draw at everton is possible.  34 points at a nervous/safe west ham for the final game?  Doable.
How does Sheffield look a good result?  Forgetting their position in the table they've been dreadful since the restart and were absolutely there for the taking.  Our failure to capitalise on that opportunity is probably what will ultimately cost us.

Yes, you're right, our season all comes down to only getting a draw at home to Sheffield United, who were in the Top 7 when we played them in the first game anyone had played in 100 days..
On the day Sheffield were really poor (and have been since) and it was a big opportunity that we didn't take.  I think winning that game would have completely changed the complexion of where we are now, both in terms of points and mentality,  but if you don't that's fair enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 02, 2020, 02:17:15 PM

For me our record v top 6/7 is more reason if we go down. In normal seasons it wouldn't matter so much but every other week one of our rivals is getting a "shock" win v them. All the more pathetic when you see how many times we were leading v one of them in the second half and we couldn't even close out a draw.


Saw something the other day, showing that our results against the ĎOther 14í teams was better than Brighton, Watford, West Ham, Bournemouth and Norwich. But all of them have managed to take at least five points from the Ďbig six.

Obviously doesnít ultimately matter who you take the points from but makes it all quite frustrating.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 02, 2020, 02:47:44 PM
Losing to Bournemouth twice, Watford away and dropping points v West Ham is what ultimately is going to relegate us. Itís our own bloody fault. Not been good enough and weíve crumbled.

Also Southampton away. A vital game we threw away as the players werenít prepared to scrap and risk injury with the big glory final a week away.

One of the first glimpses that Jack had seen enough too.

100%
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 02, 2020, 02:49:00 PM
Newcastle United have scored more goals since the restart than the had from January 1st to June 1st .
Bruce has worked some sort of magic to aid villa in our battle .
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on July 02, 2020, 04:20:11 PM
I sense that there's results being attributed to other sides that haven't happened.

Mini league since the restart

Edited, now with shots/on target tacked on

West Ham   P3 W1 D0 L2 F3 A6 27/8
Aston Villa   P4 W0 D2 L2 F2 A4 47/13
Watford      P3 W0 D1 L2 F2 A5 26/9
B'mouth      P3 W0 D0 L3 F1 A7 28/2
Norwich      P3 W0 D0 L3 F0 A8 26/4

I can't square this circle of apparently having no fight or bottle compared to our immediate peers when we've conceded the fewest goals (including the only clean sheet in the 16 games played so far) and had the most efforts.
I'm in agreement here - relative to the sides around us, I think we've done alright since the restart.  We've had the hardest set of games out of any of the bottom 5, with the possible exception of West Ham.

Bournemouth look done for now.  Norwich have a relatively good set of fixtures for the run-in, but I suspect they might've just given themselves a bit too much to do.  West Ham have a relatively easy run in too, and seem to be doing alright.  Think the battle will be between ourselves and Watford.  Of those, I'd rather be in our shoes than their's in every matter except the number of points we're starting on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 02, 2020, 04:32:46 PM
Worth noting though that if Mings hadn't scored in 94th minute in the Watford home game they'd be four clear of us so things could be worse.

For me our record v top 6/7 is more reason if we go down. In normal seasons it wouldn't matter so much but every other week one of our rivals is getting a "shock" win v them. All the more pathetic when you see how many times we were leading v one of them in the second half and we couldn't even close out a draw.

Draws v Liverpool and Spurs at home and we'd be 17th.

Mings knew nothing about it, it was Konsa's goal!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: richtheholtender on July 02, 2020, 04:57:11 PM
I sense that there's results being attributed to other sides that haven't happened.

Mini league since the restart

Edited, now with shots/on target tacked on

West Ham   P3 W1 D0 L2 F3 A6 27/8
Aston Villa   P4 W0 D2 L2 F2 A4 47/13
Watford      P3 W0 D1 L2 F2 A5 26/9
B'mouth      P3 W0 D0 L3 F1 A7 28/2
Norwich      P3 W0 D0 L3 F0 A8 26/4

I can't square this circle of apparently having no fight or bottle compared to our immediate peers when we've conceded the fewest goals (including the only clean sheet in the 16 games played so far) and had the most efforts.
I'm in agreement here - relative to the sides around us, I think we've done alright since the restart.  We've had the hardest set of games out of any of the bottom 5, with the possible exception of West Ham.

Bournemouth look done for now.  Norwich have a relatively good set of fixtures for the run-in, but I suspect they might've just given themselves a bit too much to do.  West Ham have a relatively easy run in too, and seem to be doing alright.  Think the battle will be between ourselves and Watford.  Of those, I'd rather be in our shoes than their's in every matter except the number of points we're starting on.


I think Watford will beat Norwich and draw with Newcastle.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 02, 2020, 04:57:52 PM
Liverpool [A]
Man Utd [H]
Crystal Palace [H]
Everton [A]
Arsenal [H]
West Ham [A]

Put your hearts away in a box somewhere for a second, and look at the above fixture list.
With the manager we have in charge, the form of our team, and the 'coming into form' of a lot of those opponents, I can see us picking up a maximum haul of 3 pts from that lot (and that's if Palace don't show up!).

We have to BETTER Watford or West Ham's results to stay up. They have a handful of tricky ties too, but there's no point working out which games they can and can't win - Can you really see us taking points off any of those teams above, the form we're in?!

I'm pretty certain we're gone already - Smith should have been potted at Christmas.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on July 02, 2020, 05:16:36 PM
Well, Watford's run of Chelsea, Norwich, Newcastle, WHam, ManC & Arsenal, could be a run of draws, other than Norwich. So that's 4 draws, 1 win and a loss to ManC
7 points

WHam that win and a handful of draws will see them safe

Us... 7 points at best

B'mouth are in a very sticky situation

So Mystic Postal has spoken, it's B'mouth and us, Watford safe by a point....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 02, 2020, 10:33:15 PM
Easy 3 points on Sunday now!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on July 02, 2020, 11:30:44 PM
Aftab- Iíve spent the last couple of weeks looking out for other teamsí results and checking the table. After West Ham beat Chelsea I told myself  enoughí enough of that. Down to us now to scrape home. Fk everyone else, although Watford look like getting dragged in now...
Agreed Robbo. We must not die hoping we have to do something about it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 03, 2020, 07:16:49 AM
Well, Watford's run of Chelsea, Norwich, Newcastle, WHam, ManC & Arsenal, could be a run of draws, other than Norwich. So that's 4 draws, 1 win and a loss to ManC
7 points

WHam that win and a handful of draws will see them safe

Us... 7 points at best

B'mouth are in a very sticky situation

So Mystic Postal has spoken, it's B'mouth and us, Watford safe by a point....
zMystic ?
I voted those 3 2nd of Feb mate.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on July 03, 2020, 12:53:58 PM
We could be out of touch by the time we play our next easy game.

I think by the time we play Palace, we will be 4 points behind Watford (they will lose at Chelsea but beat Norwich, we will lose at both 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' and ManUre). That game will be massive - season defining. And even if we win, we have to pray Newcastle beat Watford.

If all that happens, somehow (miracles do happen) we will still be in the mix.

But Iíd bet my house now that we are down. Everton, Arsenal, and WHU will all be very difficult games that even the most positive individual would regard as challenging.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 03, 2020, 01:14:52 PM
Palace, Everton, Arsenal and West Ham are all challenging games, as one would and should expect in the top division. But unwinnable, even in our current position? Certainly not.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 03, 2020, 01:17:23 PM
As ever, if we stay up its because we deserve to. You can't expect to stay up if you lose all the difficult games in the top flight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 03, 2020, 07:15:49 PM
Palace, Everton, Arsenal and West Ham are all challenging games, as one would and should expect in the top division. But unwinnable, even in our current position? Certainly not.
Which one do you think we will win?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 03, 2020, 08:03:45 PM
Palace, Everton, Arsenal and West Ham are all challenging games, as one would and should expect in the top division. But unwinnable, even in our current position? Certainly not.
Which one do you think we will win?
Will? No idea.
Could? All four, if we approach them with the right attitude and focus.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 03, 2020, 10:00:33 PM
5th Liverpool [A]
9th Man Utd [H]
12th Crystal Palace [H]
16th Everton [A]
21th Arsenal [H]
26th West Ham [A]

The Everton and Arsenal games sees a good gap between matches

West Ham is comparable Watford have a longer period between in last few matches
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 03, 2020, 10:02:26 PM
Arsenal have been the definition of iffy for years. If you're gonna beat a top 6-ish side when you're doing shit its them. Palace and everton will hopefully be on the beach as they have sod all to play for. Same with west ham as i expect them to be safe.  That said if we don't show up for palace then that's that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 03, 2020, 10:02:28 PM
Our last four fixtures seem to be having a bit of a laugh...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 03, 2020, 11:29:48 PM
Here are stats on defence/attack/ set pieces/ discpline since restart.

Our main issue since restart has been scoring enough goals to win matches . Comparatively in defence we have done better than any of our rivals.
A few more goals would have seen a few more wins
Villa have only scored from set plays .
Though we have had more shots , more attempts at goal and more chances than any of the other rivals.
The expected goals is zero as our main chances are not comimg from open play

It's not all doom and gloom if we can get creating and scoring goals

Attack
Goals
West Ham 3
Villa 2
Watford 2
Bournemouth 1
Norwich 0

Remember Villa have played 4 . The rest 3. West Ham ,Watford, B'mouth, Norwich.

But in defence in comparison has been realitively good.

Defence
Clean sheets:
Aston Villa 1
West Ham 0
Watford  0
B'mouth 0

Goals conceded
Norwich 8
Bournemouth 7
West Ham 6
Watford 5
Villa 4

Big Chances conceded
Norwich 6
Bournemouth 6
Watford 6
West Ham 5
Villa 3

Shots conceded:
Norwich 47
Villa 46
West Ham 42
Watford 35
Bournemouth 29

Shots on target conceded:
Norwich 21
West Ham 16
Watford 13
Bournemouth 11
Villa 11

Discpline:
Fouls conceded
Aston Villa 49
Watford 48
Bournemouth 35
Norwich 27
West Ham 25

Yellow Cards:
Bournemouth 8
Villa 6
West Ham 5
Norwich 5
Watford 3

Penalties conceded
West Ham 1
Villa 0
Watford 0
Bournemouth  0
Norwich 0

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2020, 09:29:19 AM
Fingers crossed Manure and Chelsea turn up today.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 04, 2020, 09:40:37 AM
IF=Most important word in your post Vill I An.  If Smith can get a tune out of them, If the players don't make any stupid mistakes, If they take their chances.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 04, 2020, 02:35:07 PM
Brighton removed from poll options.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 04, 2020, 02:38:29 PM
Praying for Bournemouth and Watford to get smashed. Personally I think Bournemouth look finished. Their last display was so inept vs Newcastle. My fear is Watford, who havenít looked great but they have the edge in my opinion over us in experience, overall talent and a manager who may be able to get more out of what he has in the last few games. West Ham certainly are not out of it but they have the best talent of the three clubs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 04, 2020, 02:56:27 PM
Praying for Bournemouth and Watford to get smashed. Personally I think Bournemouth look finished. Their last display was so inept vs Newcastle. My fear is Watford, who haven’t looked great but they have the edge in my opinion over us in experience, overall talent and a manager who may be able to get more out of what he has in the last few games. West Ham certainly are not out of it but they have the best talent of the three clubs.
I agree TV Ö The West Ham win over Chelsea was a crucial one Ö. we have not looked as if we mean business whatsoever and look resigned to the drop ...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Goldie.7 on July 04, 2020, 03:15:36 PM
Damn. I wish we took 7 points from 12 like Brighton have just done.

Before restart:
(https://i.postimg.cc/nLCwMg7L/1.jpg)

During restart:
(https://i.postimg.cc/QMwY7mkJ/2.jpg)

Not much has changed position wise. Our plight is inevitable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 04, 2020, 03:24:53 PM
Smith needs to grow a pair and decides his best team. None of this 10 subs in 2 games lark. If you can't cope with the schedule after 4 games back then you've no business being a footballer. Give them liverpool and Man U to stake their claim as no-one gives us a scooby's chance of getting anything from them anyway. After that, stick with the best performers for the last 4 games to try and get some cohesion and understanding. Those that don't make the cut will either have a chance in the championship when Smith is sacked or will be binned if we survive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 04, 2020, 05:46:20 PM
Mason Greenwood is gonna tear us a new one on Thursday isn't he?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2020, 05:49:05 PM
We need Chelsea to win tonight and Newcastle to win tomorrow. But most importantly we need to win some fucking games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richie on July 04, 2020, 09:59:07 PM
Well at least the situation has got no worse before we head off to Anfield!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 04, 2020, 10:04:53 PM
Things went well again today. Fucking win tomorrow Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2020, 11:07:08 PM
Or draw!

Or even keep it below three goals against ...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 04, 2020, 11:07:55 PM
As defeatist as it is, I'd sign up for two 1 goal defeats (think Man. United will beat us by bigger margin than Livepool).

Have to look at every single stat and GD is very important now. Watford are -23 compared to our -24. Watford still got to play Man. City so prospect of another heavy defeat.

We will then have to win 1 of the last 4 and scramble two draws and cross our fingers.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 04, 2020, 11:14:12 PM
Don't think one win and a couple of draws would do it. Two wins at least.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 04, 2020, 11:32:17 PM
Don't think one win and a couple of draws would do it. Two wins at least.

The way it's going, I'm starting to think two more points might be enough! As we reach the conclusion of another round of matches, the bottom 5, fighting for their lives, have still mustered only one solitary win between them in 19 games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2020, 12:12:30 AM
Don't think one win and a couple of draws would do it. Two wins at least.

The way it's going, I'm starting to think two more points might be enough! As we reach the conclusion of another round of matches, the bottom 5, fighting for their lives, have still mustered only one solitary win between them in 19 games.

Watford have dropped right back in it, but I can just see them scraping a couple of wins from somewhere.  Bournemouth look completely gone at the moment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2020, 01:02:13 AM
Don't think one win and a couple of draws would do it. Two wins at least.

The way it's going, I'm starting to think two more points might be enough! As we reach the conclusion of another round of matches, the bottom 5, fighting for their lives, have still mustered only one solitary win between them in 19 games.

Watford have dropped right back in it, but I can just see them scraping a couple of wins from somewhere.  Bournemouth look completely gone at the moment.

Yes.

The one thing in our favour is that many teams have been sluggish and below par for a couple of games after the restart and then burst into life, and found their zing. MoN used to call it vim, which was a detergent in my young day.

I remember a home game against Watford late in the season on our way to Division 3. We lost 0-2. The Watford fans were in what is now the Lower Trinity when it was a terrace. I was ejected from the back of the Holte and missed most of the game.

Those were the days, my friends.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on July 05, 2020, 04:17:26 AM
I think we can and we will just scrape home this season. Norwich are gone, Bournemouth look puss and Watford are struggling badly. Weíve had a couple of draws and lost a couple, but donít look too bad, compared to the others. Probably get spanked by Liverpool and Man U, but Palace and Everton are winnable, with maybe a point from Arsenal. See West Ham off and it could be reasonably comfortable. Although being Villa probably not. Weíll limp over the line I reckon.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2020, 06:24:55 AM
Norwich will be the doing of us as Watford, West Ham and Bournemouth all have to play them don't they?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 05, 2020, 07:04:25 AM
Yes....everyone also plays Man City apart from us.

And Watford and Villa both play Wet Spam

My head hurts..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john2710 on July 05, 2020, 07:35:09 AM
At this point I'd settle for needing a win at West Ham on the last day, Watford are at Arsenal. West Ham will be safe by then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rotterdam on July 05, 2020, 08:51:15 AM
WH to beat Burnley and they lift themselves away from it...I think its between us and Watford, Cherries look shot.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: yammers on July 05, 2020, 11:55:07 AM
The dropped points against the blades are obviously going to do our legs....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 05, 2020, 12:14:30 PM
I'm just hoping we will go into the last game with our fate still in our own hands. Even better if West Ham are safe and have nothing to play for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 05, 2020, 12:19:50 PM
If Watford get 3 or fewer points against Norwich and Newcastle we will likely end up cheering West Ham on against Watford. If West Ham beat Norwich a good result against Watford would see them safe and hopefully they'll be on the beach for the last game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 05, 2020, 12:47:48 PM
I think we can and we will just scrape home this season. Norwich are gone, Bournemouth look puss and Watford are struggling badly. Weíve had a couple of draws and lost a couple, but donít look too bad, compared to the others. Probably get spanked by Liverpool and Man U, but Palace and Everton are winnable, with maybe a point from Arsenal. See West Ham off and it could be reasonably comfortable. Although being Villa probably not. Weíll limp over the line I reckon.

We haven't really looked like winning a game since the season re-started, but just hope that things can stay pretty much as they are after the next two games.

If we can go into the Palace game pretty much as we stand then we might just have a chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 05, 2020, 01:04:38 PM
Don't think one win and a couple of draws would do it. Two wins at least.

The way it's going, I'm starting to think two more points might be enough! As we reach the conclusion of another round of matches, the bottom 5, fighting for their lives, have still mustered only one solitary win between them in 19 games.

Watford have dropped right back in it, but I can just see them scraping a couple of wins from somewhere.  Bournemouth look completely gone at the moment.

Yes.

The one thing in our favour is that many teams have been sluggish and below par for a couple of games after the restart and then burst into life, and found their zing.
MoN used to call it vim, which was a detergent in my young day.

I remember a home game against Watford late in the season on our way to Division 3. We lost 0-2. The Watford fans were in what is now the Lower Trinity when it was a terrace. I was ejected from the back of the Holte and missed most of the game.

Those were the days, my friends.


I'm watching more of other teams than I have in the 14 years since I last had paid football telly, and in my measured opinion I'd say that restart was a shock to everyone, but as it's progressed the 'better' sides are now hitting their stride. For us teams at the bottom, I think the best opportunity for points was early on, with Brighton being the benchmark, and our two draws the pick of the rest. I think the Spam win was an anomaly thrown up by Lampard trying to rotate his starting 11 (there's no chance they'd have beaten that Chelsea side from last night), something that those sides don't really need to do with 5 subs allowed, which is another thing that's not in the favour of us basement-dwellers.

After our 4-in-11 start, we've now had 8 days off. Yes, tough game to come back to, and it's difficult to imagine anything other than a defeat, but I'll be watching how we play. I think more tempered, less gung-ho will give us our best chance of surviving this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on July 05, 2020, 01:47:51 PM
It looks to me that the teams who were playing well before lockdown are now playing well again, Liverpool's game excepted. No free hits, no shocks to come. Goal difference could certainly settle this.

That said, if we've still got a chance on the last day I'd snap your hand off, since we've either kept our head above water or at least one other club has had a nightmare run.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on July 05, 2020, 02:00:46 PM
It looks to me that the teams who were playing well before lockdown are now playing well again, Liverpool's game excepted. No free hits, no shocks to come. Goal difference could certainly settle this.

That said, if we've still got a chance on the last day I'd snap your hand off, since we've either kept our head above water or at least one other club has had a nightmare run.

Me too. I think Watford get 5 or 6 more points from their 5 games remaining - they beat Norwich, and get 2 or 3 points from the WHU or Newcastle games. But they will have a better GD than us.

So we need 6 or 7 points. Assuming no surprises against MU or 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', we need that haul from 4 games - quite a form turnaround but not impossible. We must beat Palace to give ourselves a sniff - then even if we lose to both Arsenal and Everton (who both look in better form), we make it to the last day with destiny in our hands if we beat WHU
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 05, 2020, 02:49:04 PM
It looks to me that the teams who were playing well before lockdown are now playing well again, Liverpool's game excepted. No free hits, no shocks to come. Goal difference could certainly settle this.

That said, if we've still got a chance on the last day I'd snap your hand off, since we've either kept our head above water or at least one other club has had a nightmare run.

Me too. I think Watford get 5 or 6 more points from their 5 games remaining - they beat Norwich, and get 2 or 3 points from the WHU or Newcastle games. But they will have a better GD than us.

So we need 6 or 7 points. Assuming no surprises against MU or 'The Mighty Reds YNWA', we need that haul from 4 games - quite a form turnaround but not impossible. We must beat Palace to give ourselves a sniff - then even if we lose to both Arsenal and Everton (who both look in better form), we make it to the last day with destiny in our hands if we beat WHU
You are going to have to run the mathS by me again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 05, 2020, 03:20:22 PM
It's looking like those clubs who sacked their managers will survive. Three who didn't will go down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 05, 2020, 06:33:33 PM
Looking tough because we probably need at least 7 points and we cannot score.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LukeJames on July 05, 2020, 06:49:01 PM
Watford beat Norwich tomorrow and then theres a 4 point gap with an inferior goal difference, and I think thats as good as us gone.

I highly doubt we'll get 5 points from the next 5 games, and that Watford wont pick up any more points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 05, 2020, 06:51:24 PM
Watford beat Norwich tomorrow and then theres a 4 point gap with an inferior goal difference, and I think thats as good as us gone.

I highly doubt we'll get 5 points from the next 5 games, and that Watford wont pick up any more points.

Yep, I think thatís it. Obviously I donít want them to win, but part of me just wants it over and done with. By the time weíve played Palace, I reckon that will be about it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 05, 2020, 06:53:25 PM
Draw with Manure and Arsenal, win the other 3. Job done.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on July 05, 2020, 06:55:20 PM
Even taking an optimistic view, there will be a reckoning and that will be West Ham, i don't fancy that to have to survive. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 05, 2020, 06:56:26 PM
Draw with Manure and Arsenal, win the other 3. Job done.
you've hit the sherry a little early this evening .....or am I missing the "humour" ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 06:56:41 PM
Said elsewhere that we could still stay up if we could sort out the appalling current strike force options. Davis is simply not good enough. Can't even suggest Archer as an option as he has not been selected to train with the first team and there is no current Academy provision.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 05, 2020, 07:38:27 PM
Even taking an optimistic view, there will be a reckoning and that will be West Ham, i don't fancy that to have to survive. 

2 points from the last 27. Donít think it will get as far as West Ham.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 05, 2020, 07:47:23 PM
We are so easy to play against.  Be patient and wait for us to make the mistake.  Today, it was Neil Taylor's turn.  Our midfielders player too far apart, we don't hunt in packs, our wingers are indecisive and cross to nobody anyway, we can't retain the ball as passes go awry. 

Those saying that Jack hangs on to the ball too long are very short sighted.  It's a tactic to draw a foul, an opportunity to get the ball into the box, or take the steam out of a situation, to give players time to draw breath and reorganise.  If our free kicks were any good, we would be more of a force to be reckoned with. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 05, 2020, 08:03:12 PM
Said elsewhere that we could still stay up if we could sort out the appalling current strike force options. Davis is simply not good enough. Can't even suggest Archer as an option as he has not been selected to train with the first team and there is no current Academy provision.

Archer is completely untried at this level and he's behind Vassilev (and Barry if rumours about him being close to the match-day squad are true) in the pecking order.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 05, 2020, 08:07:36 PM
Same applies to Vassilev and Barry. Both untried. I agree that Smith prefers Vassilev.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 05, 2020, 08:12:20 PM
Iím not sure what point there is in playing Vassilev. He doesnít look ready for the first team to me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 05, 2020, 08:16:38 PM
Iím not sure what point there is in playing Vassilev. He doesnít look ready for the first team to me.

Heís no worse than Davis.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 05, 2020, 08:41:44 PM
Iím not sure what point there is in playing Vassilev. He doesnít look ready for the first team to me.

Heís no worse than Davis.
it would be difficult to be worse than Davis
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2020, 09:04:31 PM
We're going down like Buddy Holly.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 05, 2020, 09:28:57 PM
Watford beat Norwich tomorrow and then theres a 4 point gap with an inferior goal difference, and I think thats as good as us gone.

I highly doubt we'll get 5 points from the next 5 games, and that Watford wont pick up any more points.

Come on Delia, Let's Be 'Aving You
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 05, 2020, 09:35:20 PM
We're going down like Buddy Holly.

Not in the best of taste
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on July 05, 2020, 11:36:59 PM
To me, it looks like it's going to be a one-on-one scrap between ourselves and Watford.  Think it'll be close.  They're a point and +1GD ahead, but looking at the two sets of fixtures (theirs in order)

WatfordUs
Norwich (h)Crystal Palace (h)
Newcastle (h)Everton (a)
West Ham (a)West Ham (a)
Man City (h)Man Utd (h)
Arsenal (a)Arsenal (h)

... you'd probably just take their fixtures over ours, but I'm not sure there's a massive difference ... and IMO we look more likely to pick up points than they do right now.

I dunno, I'm still moderately optimistic that we'll stay up at the moment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 05, 2020, 11:50:14 PM
The advantage Watford have is in the sequence of their fixtures, that Norwich game they have is pivotal as a win and they'll gain confidence.  We dont seem to be a team that can respond when under pressure either.

I still cant get my head around how we've ended up 12 months on from the Championship having a team thats actually worse than the one we went up with.
 

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on July 05, 2020, 11:54:51 PM
To me, it looks like it's going to be a one-on-one scrap between ourselves and Watford.  Think it'll be close.  They're a point and +1GD ahead, but looking at the two sets of fixtures (theirs in order)

WatfordUs
Norwich (h)Crystal Palace (h)
Newcastle (h)Everton (a)
West Ham (a)West Ham (a)
Man City (h)Man Utd (h)
Arsenal (a)Arsenal (h)

... you'd probably just take their fixtures over ours, but I'm not sure there's a massive difference ... and IMO we look more likely to pick up points than they do right now.

I dunno, I'm still moderately optimistic that we'll stay up at the moment.
The order of the matches is very significant, although you've put Watford's in order but not ours.

The likelihood is that by Thursday, they will be 4 points clear with at least a 5 goal better goal difference, and with Newcastle at home to follow, it could be even worse by the time we face Palace.

It's not in our own hands and we have scraped 2 points from the last 27. We are relying on the ineptitude of others to even have a chance of staying up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 06, 2020, 12:01:08 AM
The advantage Watford have is in the sequence of their fixtures, that Norwich game they have is pivotal as a win and they'll gain confidence.  We dont seem to be a team that can respond when under pressure either.

I still cant get my head around how we've ended up 12 months on from the Championship having a team thats actually worse than the one we went up with.
 



Because most of the players last season were either on loan or leaving.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2020, 12:10:39 AM
I can certainly see Watford taking 4 points from Norwich and Newcastle (realistically it will be over if they get 6 points). I can also see them losing their last 3. Potential for their GD to get much worse as Man. City beat them 8-0 earlier this season and won 6-0 at Vicarage road a few years ago.

Imagine if you said in August all we needed was 32 points to stay in the league. I doubt anyone would've thought we'd struggle to make that.

It's in our interests for West Ham to beat Watford and be safe by final day. Saw how half hearted Liverpool were today without anything to play for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 06, 2020, 01:11:38 AM
As others have said, the last ten years have been a slog. But this season is the biggest kick in the balls of the lot.

I genuinely think there is more potential in this squad than some of the dross under Lambert or Sherwood.

If the worst happens, we will look back on this season as the real sucker punch. It hurts way more than 2015-16. We have under-achieved.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 06, 2020, 01:13:08 AM
The biggest decision management had to make last year was who to bring in to compensate for losing our leading goal scorer, they failed miserably, and it set the season up for failure.
When we fall behind in games the games over because we do not have a decent forward on our books except Grealish. It's a monumental failure of management.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 06, 2020, 03:44:57 AM
We basically spent 100 million on a load of squad fillers by binning off our original squad fillers for zero.  We upgraded our goalkeeper but actually went backwards in RCB and main Striker.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on July 06, 2020, 04:34:44 AM
Last 9 games: 2 points from 27 is appalling!  Any other club would've sacked their manager by now.....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 06, 2020, 07:47:24 AM
The biggest decision management had to make last year was who to bring in to compensate for losing our leading goal scorer, they failed miserably, and it set the season up for failure.
When we fall behind in games the games over because we do not have a decent forward on our books except Grealish. It's a monumental failure of management.

He clearly has flaws, but when Wesley got injured we had 21 points from 21 games, I believe. He also had five league goals at that point. To compare, just as Iíve seen them mentioned as alternatives (if we had x player etc.) at this current point of the season, Maupay has nine, Wilson eight and Deeney has six.

Donít think itís particularly outlandish to say that had he not got injured we would quite likely have seen at least a couple more goals and points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 06, 2020, 07:51:50 AM
We basically spent 100 million on a load of squad fillers by binning off our original squad fillers for zero.  We upgraded our goalkeeper but actually went backwards in RCB and main Striker.



Which of our squad fillers would you have kept that would have made any difference? I donít think any of them would have.

Iíd very much imagine we looked at trying to get both Axel and Tammy but it obviously wasnít possible. Thatís the issue with the loan market.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on July 06, 2020, 09:05:14 AM
The advantage Watford have is in the sequence of their fixtures, that Norwich game they have is pivotal as a win and they'll gain confidence.  We dont seem to be a team that can respond when under pressure either.

I still cant get my head around how we've ended up 12 months on from the Championship having a team thats actually worse than the one we went up with.
 



Because most of the players last season were either on loan or leaving.
Whilst it's true the squad needed replacements, those factors were known and it doesn't explain or justify why the team that went up last season was better than the current one.

That just highlights how poor the management and recruitment have been for us to have ended up like this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 10:19:01 AM
8 points will keep us up. We have to beat Palace and West Ham and scramble 2 points from Man United, Everton and Arsenal. 8 points and we're OK. 7 and we're only ol if there's a big goal difference swing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 06, 2020, 10:24:39 AM
8 points will keep us up. We have to beat Palace and West Ham and scramble 2 points from Man United, Everton and Arsenal. 8 points and we're OK. 7 and we're only ol if there's a big goal difference swing.

Its just getting the goals to win those games though. The two goals we have scored since the re-start have come from defenders which is great but it's obviously not good enough at the moment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brian green on July 06, 2020, 10:31:07 AM
Cometh the hour cometh the men.

We may have a Villa legend in the wings.  Or then again we may not.

I just want this horrible, horrible year to be over.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 10:35:55 AM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 10:38:58 AM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.

Suggests to me its the time to start. I'm not convinced, ever, by an argument that says I cannot achieve something today, because I couldn't do it yesterday.

That's what I think we need to do, as I think Watford will beat Norwich and possibly one of Newcastle or West Ham. The execution of it is going to be difficult, but easy is for everybody, the impossible is for the immortal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 06, 2020, 10:47:34 AM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.

You could quite easily apply the same logic to Watford and Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 06, 2020, 11:12:45 AM
Suggests to me its the time to start. I'm not convinced, ever, by an argument that says I cannot achieve something today, because I couldn't do it yesterday.
It's not so much about 'can we' or can't we'.  In the sense that it's possible, of course we can.  But is it likely?  And is it more likely today than it was yesterday?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 06, 2020, 11:16:08 AM
I think the main issue with the remaining games now is the fact that before we kick off against Palace on Sunday, we could quite feasibly be 7 points behind Watford and a few goals if they beat Norwich and Newcastle, which would look massive at this point of the season and be very demoralising.  I can't see us getting out of it now.

I suppose the flip of that is if we were still only a point behind it would be a huge lift!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 11:21:55 AM
Suggests to me its the time to start. I'm not convinced, ever, by an argument that says I cannot achieve something today, because I couldn't do it yesterday.
It's not so much about 'can we' or can't we'.  In the sense that it's possible, of course we can.  But is it likely?  And is it more likely today than it was yesterday?

Anything is more likely outside the top 2, so yes, based on Sunday I feel we're more likely to beat Man United than we were before yesterday (we're mixing the literal and metaphoric).

Is going to be easy? No. Do we have deficiencies? God yes, especially going forwards.

But with a solid block, good organisation and a growing confidence (which you could see second half) then yeah, why not. I thought Sunday could be a massacre, I'm not a triumphalist in defeat, but there was positives. Much more positive than Watford at Chelsea.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 06, 2020, 11:25:31 AM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.

You could quite easily apply the same logic to Watford and Bournemouth.

Watford are a point above us, are out of the relegation spots and have to play Norwich next.  Bournemouth will be going down with us and Norwich.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 06, 2020, 11:29:49 AM
They're likely to beat Norwich. But Newcastle have hit form and look decent of late, West Ham will see it as the game to win to seal survival. I think Watford will do well to get 7 points, given their form and performances are worse than ours. Get 8 and we're safe, but we're dealing with the maximum thresholds.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 06, 2020, 02:42:57 PM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.

You could quite easily apply the same logic to Watford and Bournemouth.

Watford are a point above us, are out of the relegation spots and have to play Norwich next.  Bournemouth will be going down with us and Norwich.

The depressing thing is all those that sacked their managers mid season are looking like benefitting from it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 06, 2020, 03:30:57 PM
Two points from the last 27 would suggest that 7 or 8 from the last 15 is something of a forlorn hope.  I don't think we've managed 8 points from 5 games at any point this season, and our utter toothlessness in front of a goal would suggest we're not about to start now.

You could quite easily apply the same logic to Watford and Bournemouth.

Watford are a point above us, are out of the relegation spots and have to play Norwich next.  Bournemouth will be going down with us and Norwich.

The depressing thing is all those that sacked their managers mid season are looking like benefitting from it.

Not as simple as that though is it. West Ham have picked up three more points than us in the time since Moyes was appointed.
And Brighton have managed to get to safety without changing their manager
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 06, 2020, 10:20:10 PM
We really need to be turning Everton over. If they were any more on the beach theyíd be on the front page of the Daily Mail under a headline screaming about how irresponsible they were spreading Covid like that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 07, 2020, 08:04:34 AM
Just hope Norwich are in the mood to make a game of it tonight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 07, 2020, 08:39:33 AM
Just hope Norwich are in the mood to make a game of it tonight.

I really hope so. We will struggle even more if Watford get a decent win as the goal difference will be another huge barrier.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 07, 2020, 08:50:46 AM
Pivotal game this. If Watford fail to win thatís massive for us. If Watford do win same but for them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2020, 10:21:38 AM
I expect Watford to win and I don't think that has a bearing on how we need to approach the next 3 games. Obviously if they slip up it creates a margin of error for us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 07, 2020, 10:39:45 AM
I think this will be the Canary in the coal mine.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 07, 2020, 07:54:14 PM
Minimum five points to make up with five games left.

Sigh.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nastylee on July 07, 2020, 08:01:44 PM
I doubt we have more than a win in us. Unfortunately,  we have approached this arse backwards. We're now trying to defend but couldn't score in a brothel. When we started the season and should've shut up shop in games and secured valuable points we threw it away. Now we need to go for it we can barely muster a shot on target.

January transfer window was a disgrace. We did nothing to improve our squad or chances. All the ambitious talk counted for nothing when it mattered. A decent signing in January would have probably seen us safe. That's what hursts the most,  this league is shit and the opportunity was there. Serious questions to be answered from those in charge.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2020, 08:03:47 PM
Didn't the stats show we've had more efforts on goal than any if the bottom 5?

Goals are a problem for sure, but that's because we're playing Davis. Not that Samatta appears on form but, Davis hasn't scored since Burton Albion is it? So what do we expect.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 07, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
I doubt we have more than a win in us. Unfortunately,  we have approached this arse backwards. We're now trying to defend but couldn't score in a brothel. When we started the season and should've shut up shop in games and secured valuable points we threw it away. Now we need to go for it we can barely muster a shot on target.

January transfer window was a disgrace. We did nothing to improve our squad or chances. All the ambitious talk counted for nothing when it mattered. A decent signing in January would have probably seen us safe. That's what hursts the most,  this league is shit and the opportunity was there. Serious questions to be answered from those in charge.

A bigger clusterfuck than 2015-16.

The bit in bold is the bit that frustrates me. Utter incompetence from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 07, 2020, 08:05:50 PM
Didn't the stats show we've had more efforts on goal than any if the bottom 5?

Goals are a problem for sure, but that's because we're playing Davis. Not that Samatta appears on form but, Davis hasn't scored since Burton Albion is it? So what do we expect.

Most shots, most on target.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nastylee on July 07, 2020, 08:07:32 PM
Didn't the stats show we've had more efforts on goal than any if the bottom 5?

Goals are a problem for sure, but that's because we're playing Davis. Not that Samatta appears on form but, Davis hasn't scored since Burton Albion is it? So what do we expect.

Most shots, most on target.

And still don't look like scoring
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2020, 08:13:23 PM
Didn't the stats show we've had more efforts on goal than any if the bottom 5?

Goals are a problem for sure, but that's because we're playing Davis. Not that Samatta appears on form but, Davis hasn't scored since Burton Albion is it? So what do we expect.

Most shots, most on target.
I wonder how many of those shots have come from our strikers.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 07, 2020, 08:14:17 PM
Didn't the stats show we've had more efforts on goal than any if the bottom 5?

Goals are a problem for sure, but that's because we're playing Davis. Not that Samatta appears on form but, Davis hasn't scored since Burton Albion is it? So what do we expect.

Most shots, most on target.

And still don't look like scoring

Only because our strikers are shit. They've scored a total of four English league goals between them. Half of those at a lower level.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 08:17:00 PM
Not all of them. See our FB Page.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2020, 08:17:51 PM
Got to go with Samatta. At least he's found the net vaguely recently.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SaddVillan on July 07, 2020, 08:20:21 PM
One word reaction to tonight's Watford - Canaries result:


Bollocks
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nastylee on July 07, 2020, 08:21:19 PM
It's over. We had a chance,we blew it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 07, 2020, 08:21:47 PM
We've won back to back league games once all season. Once.
Most goals scored at home in any league game. 2. Fucking 2!
Most goals conceded at home. 6.
Goals conceded so far. 62 (Sixty Two)

That's why we're going down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2020, 08:27:41 PM
Itís quite something to get yourself relegated from the worst Premier League for years, but weíre in prime position to do it. What a sad state of affairs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2020, 08:29:00 PM
That's that, then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 07, 2020, 08:30:36 PM
I think the hope to cling to is Watford not picking up too many more points and us getting our act together. The first is possible because I wasn't that over impressed with them earlier. I've just seen nothing in us as an attacking force that can help us win games unfortunately.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on July 07, 2020, 08:33:50 PM
I have nothing to say nor can I think of anything to say, however I wanted to and needed to post. I donít feel better though. What a waste of a post and a season 😖
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 07, 2020, 08:45:18 PM
lose against Man Utd and we're gone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 08:49:36 PM
We can still do it. Highly unlikely but it is still possible. Not expecting much from Thursday's game but have a little hope that after our traditional loss to Manchester United as long as we can get something from the subsequent games and stay within 2 points of West Ham and/or Watford it will all come down to needing to beat West Ham on the last day. How exciting. Not.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2020, 08:52:28 PM
Did anyone think Watford wouldn't win? Does anyone think we'll get anything on Thursday?

I'd imagine that the answers would be a couple of resounding "No"s. As such, why is everyone losing their shit tonight?!

If we fail to beat Palace, fair enough,we'll look cooked. This week has been, and will be, entirely predictable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2020, 08:53:26 PM
It was also entirely predictable that Norwich would take the lead, just to get our hopes up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 07, 2020, 08:54:15 PM
I didn't expect either. I gave up after West Ham showed how not to bottle it against Chelsea. That's when I knew we were gone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 07, 2020, 08:54:24 PM
It was also entirely predictable that Norwich would take the lead, just to get our hopes up.

Absolutely. Especially with it being so early. Almost a blessed relief that they only led for six minutes.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on July 07, 2020, 09:01:50 PM
Itís quite something to get yourself relegated from the worst Premier League for years, but weíre in prime position to do it. What a sad state of affairs.

bit extreme. We finished 5th in the championship. 18 points off the leaders.

there have been lots of bad decisions this year but odds were stacked against us having to build a new squad, regardless of how much we spent.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 07, 2020, 09:01:59 PM
If Watford beat Newcastle then weíre toast.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 07, 2020, 09:02:15 PM
I didn't expect either. I gave up after West Ham showed how not to bottle it against Chelsea. That's when I knew we were gone.

Yep we are going down because we are frequently wretched, much like those teams just above us, but the difference is we can never pull off the surprise win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on July 07, 2020, 09:04:05 PM
Understand we are in deep mire but I don't understand the meltdown on the forum tonight just because another struggling team won a match  which was bound to happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 07, 2020, 09:07:01 PM
Understand we are in deep mire but I don't understand the meltdown on the forum tonight just because another struggling team won a match  which was bound to happen.

Itís not a meltdown. Itís the realization that the gap that was once small with a game in hand just got larger. And that there is nothing at all to suggest we can close it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brian green on July 07, 2020, 09:07:47 PM
It is the Brummie gene aftab.  We are born to moan.  That is why God gave us Brummie accents.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TonyD on July 07, 2020, 09:12:58 PM
lose against Man Utd and we're gone.
We have already gone.   Effectively 5 points from safety and cannot score goals. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 07, 2020, 09:13:11 PM
Understand we are in deep mire but I don't understand the meltdown on the forum tonight just because another struggling team won a match  which was bound to happen.

Itís not a meltdown. Itís the realization that the gap that was once small with a game in hand just got larger. And that there is nothing at all to suggest we can close it.

Indeed. Our negative goal difference means we need 5 points to go above Watford.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 07, 2020, 09:15:17 PM
Not really. If we gain 4-6 points to pull in front of them, then that means the gap is no more than 1-2 goals. If we're to stay ahead then the goal difference swings further.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2020, 09:16:03 PM
Understand we are in deep mire but I don't understand the meltdown on the forum tonight just because another struggling team won a match  which was bound to happen.

After beating Watford at home in January we needed three wins out of 14 remaining games.

Now we need three from five.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 07, 2020, 09:19:37 PM
If we were level on points after round 35 we'd have a decent chance of being above them on GD.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 07, 2020, 09:35:06 PM
If this.
If that.

The only if I'm certain of is if we'd sacked Smith before Christmas we wouldn't be in this position.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on July 07, 2020, 09:40:05 PM
If this.
If that.

The only if I'm certain of is if we'd sacked Smith before Christmas we wouldn't be in this position.

Agree, the decision makers at the club don't do the obvious...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2020, 09:40:18 PM
On the way home from the utter shambles that was Watford away, I was convinced Deanoís time was up. His post match interview was as bad as the performance, moaning about the ballboys taking time etc. It probably should have been the time, we had the January window just around the corner. Sliding doors moment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 07, 2020, 09:41:58 PM
How many points clear of them were we when they got in Pearson?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on July 07, 2020, 09:44:46 PM
Understand we are in deep mire but I don't understand the meltdown on the forum tonight just because another struggling team won a match  which was bound to happen.

After beating Watford at home in January we needed three wins out of 14 remaining games.

Now we need three from five.

yep I remember saying 4 wins to a mate skipping out the ground. Seemed easy. The happiest bit since then was the prospect of null and void in March...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 07, 2020, 09:46:27 PM
On the way home from the utter shambles that was Watford away, I was convinced Deanoís time was up. His post match interview was as bad as the performance, moaning about the ballboys taking time etc. It probably should have been the time, we had the January window just around the corner. Sliding doors moment.

Conceding 2 goals against 10 men should have been curtains for him.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 09:46:42 PM
Dean Smith in the next couple of weeks:

(https://two-worlds.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/Then-a-Miracle-Occurs-2-1038x576.jpg)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 07, 2020, 09:52:57 PM
After Watford away, that was the moment. Plenty of us said it on here so no revisionism. Whole Jan window and the Winter break for search and getting to work. Weíll look back and say we blew it then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 07, 2020, 10:12:44 PM
lose against Man Utd and we're gone.
We have already gone.   Effectively 5 points from safety and cannot score goals.

Not quite, but I think we are on the brink.  The Palace game is the glimmer of hope at the moment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Flin5tone on July 07, 2020, 10:17:07 PM
Gone.

Missed our chance in January to get rid of our shit manager and buy someone who can score

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 07, 2020, 10:27:44 PM
Need 3 wins from 5 to have a decent chance of staying up I think, which seems like the same chance a snowball has in hell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2020, 10:34:27 PM
Weíd probably need to win the last four. Love to know what odds youíd get on that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2020, 10:36:08 PM
Weíre done and dusted. Thanks Dean.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 10:37:35 PM
Not quite yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 07, 2020, 10:41:53 PM
If this.
If that.

The only if I'm certain of is if we'd sacked Smith before Christmas we wouldn't be in this position.

Agree, the decision makers at the club don't do the obvious...

How can you be certain of something that didn't even happen?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 07, 2020, 10:52:57 PM
All is not lost yet - I can still see us staying up :

Norwich and Bournemouth bottom 2

Watford : draw with Newcastle (H) and West Ham (A), lose to Man C (H) and Arsenal (A) - 33 pts

Villa: lose to Man U , beat Palace (H), draw with Everton (A) , lose to Arsenal (H), beat West Ham (A) - 34 pts

None of those results , in isolation, that unlikely.

Keep The Faith !!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 07, 2020, 10:53:08 PM
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ktvillan on July 07, 2020, 11:17:59 PM
We are toast.  We are fucked. Our goose is shot, plucked, stuffed and cooked. That said, we are long overdue a home win against the RedManc.............nah.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2020, 11:26:36 PM
After Watford away, that was the moment. Plenty of us said it on here so no revisionism. Whole Jan window and the Winter break for search and getting to work. Weíll look back and say we blew it then.

No way were we going to pot a manager who'd got us to the semi final (and eventually the final) of a major cup competition just a few short months after securing promotion.

We can say the signs were there, but to act that early would have been viewed as brutal.  At the time it merely looked like a bad run with our own fate well and truly in our hands.  But -save for respite with the semi final win at home and the last minute winner against Pearson's lot - the bad run never truly ended.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 07, 2020, 11:32:20 PM
No way were we going to pot a manager who'd got us to the semi final (and eventually the final) of a major cup competition just a few short months after securing promotion.

We can say the signs were there, but to act that early would have been viewed as brutal.
I hope that wasn't the thinking.  Dean's not more important than the club or staying up.  Some say brutal, some say decisive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 07, 2020, 11:42:39 PM
yeah but by that decisive or brutal response SGT would have been out the door midway through his first season after promotion
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 07, 2020, 11:46:15 PM
A quick look at the last 5 seasons shows survival at 36,38,38,35,35. We need 3 wins. Palace, Everton, Arsenal plus a point at West Ham. Gives us 37 points and survival. It's easy this football malarkey.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 07, 2020, 11:49:50 PM
It is. Shame Smith is not up to the job.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 08, 2020, 12:50:28 AM
If this.
If that.

The only if I'm certain of is if we'd sacked Smith before Christmas we wouldn't be in this position.

We all like Smith and he did well to get us up...and may well be the man to get us up again. But let's face it, the manager is the most important job at a club and it is at least a decade, more likely 14 years, since we went out and appointed a proven top manager. Making a whole series of bad appointments over the years has led us to here. That is a position where we are at the arse end of the table all through the season but keep the manager because he's basically 'one of us'.

We have got this badly wrong. It all feels like one step forward and two backwards.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2020, 01:15:07 AM
After Watford away, that was the moment. Plenty of us said it on here so no revisionism. Whole Jan window and the Winter break for search and getting to work. Weíll look back and say we blew it then.

We picked up 7 points in the next 4 league games so probably the same as if a new manager had come in. Of course we could've then had better results v Bournemouth, Spurs and Southampton and properly pulled clear.

The key was Chelsea. If we'd played that in Mid March and lost I think DS would've been sacked given we had 3 weeks until our next match. We all know what happened next.

Given we've only just cut been cut adrift now there would've been enough time for someone to come in and at least shake things up. Decision was made and we have to accept the consequences of it. Interesting the three that have stuck with managers for whole season is very likely now to be the bottom 3.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2020, 01:18:43 AM
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Bit harsh. He gave us the fantastic run in and Wembley. I know Lambert didn't manage us in the championship but bar a decent end to 12/13 his reign seemed to be one new club low after the other. And it went on for f***ing ages. If DS leaves in the summer he'd still have managed us for a full year less than Lambert's 33 months here.

Will always have a soft spot for Dean due to watching Walsall when he first managed them and seeing him work his way up but he needs to be put out of his misery before things get much worse next season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on July 08, 2020, 01:20:09 AM
We arenít gonna win again this season
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Axl Rose on July 08, 2020, 06:29:04 AM
We need a new manager and one of those new manager bounces. Get that manager in today and give him the last 5 games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nunkin1965 on July 08, 2020, 06:43:13 AM
lose against Man Utd and we're gone.
We have already gone.   Effectively 5 points from safety and cannot score goals.

Not quite, but I think we are on the brink.  The Palace game is the glimmer of hope at the moment.
Agree.
Palace at home is the game.
Win that and weíre in with a shot of staying up.

ďIt ainít over till itís overĒ
Yogi Berra 1973.
Lenny Kravitz 1991.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 08, 2020, 07:23:09 AM
All is not lost yet - I can still see us staying up :

Norwich and Bournemouth bottom 2

Watford : draw with Newcastle (H) and West Ham (A), lose to Man C (H) and Arsenal (A) - 33 pts

Villa: lose to Man U , beat Palace (H), draw with Everton (A) , lose to Arsenal (H), beat West Ham (A) - 34 pts

None of those results , in isolation, that unlikely.

Keep The Faith !!!

Iíve been clinging onto something like this and agree it could still happen. I think the major problem now in the mini league weíre in, is if we lose tomorrow, Watford play a day before us at the weekend. If Bruceís boys donít turn up, Watford will be 5 to 7 points ahead of us by the time we play palace. I think then it is literally win or bust on Sunday and Iím not sure this group of players will handle that pressure at the moment.

Or we could beat Man U, and Watford could lose to Newcastle.....dreamland
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 08, 2020, 07:27:09 AM
A defeat against Manure will relegate us mentally if not mathematically.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 08, 2020, 08:12:25 AM
If Smith sticks to the same game plan we're gone, needs to try a different forward set up with players up for the fight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 08, 2020, 08:29:58 AM
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Come off it. I know it was late and you might have had a beer or two but that's demonstrably rubbish.

Smith holds the record for the most consecutive wins our club has ever had. He's managed a Villa side to a promotion and a win at Wembley.

Lambert holds plenty of records at the Villa, none of them good, including our heaviest ever defeat, and he sowed the seeds of our eventual relegation. He also went 12 games without a win, which Smith has never presided over, yet!

I don't think you'll find anyone who says Smith has done a good job this year but to say he's worse than Lambert is just silly.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2020, 08:45:39 AM
Hard to see how anybody else would have been worse. Dismal Dean has been absolutely atrocious. Worse than Lambert.

Do you mean this season or overall?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brian green on July 08, 2020, 09:08:47 AM
The problem is we do not know how good or bad Smith is.  However the next five games go we are still in a position of having to make a call about Dean Smith.  Back in the day the manager carried the can.  Things are different these days.  It could well be that Purslow, Pitarch or any of half a dozen others with power at the club are responsible for the car crash that has been our player recruitment.  My personal opinion is that he must go however this season finishes.  But I have sympathy for him because he has been only one of a team that has royally screwed up.  I think the money and the machinations of agents in Smith's shift in the Premiership have overwhelmed him.  Villa Park needs a new broom not a scapegoat or two.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john e on July 08, 2020, 09:11:39 AM
that Sheff Utd was always a must win game for me and Newcastle
we should have battered the posts down to get a goal

I remember people saying a point was ok and we were catching the others who were at the time doing worse

but the fixture list was there
we had 10 games from the restart to save ourselves
In reality only 6 because we are incapable of beating from the so called top 6

so that leaves you with 6 games to go shit or bust and we fucked it all up with tepid apathetic performances

Iím not one for stats but the one tells us where we are the most (apart from the league table)
is that we have failed to beat anyone in the top half of the league apart from Burnley and they are just 10th
and only took a point off two others

abysmal Iím afraid

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 09:14:16 AM
Time to start tomorrow then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 08, 2020, 09:18:37 AM
I agree, the Sheff Utd and Newcastle games are the ones where should have got three points. I really fancied us up at Newcastle and we should have showed a lot more urgency instead of just waiting until we went behind to make a go at it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 08, 2020, 09:21:50 AM
Which makes the Ďthese results wonít define our seasoní line all the more naive. 2 points out of 42 against the top 8 absolutely defines our season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TonyD on July 08, 2020, 09:30:41 AM
Seems like the plan rests on beating Palace and on the assumption that we wonít beat ManU. 

This is the classic way to get relegated. 

We should be throwing the kitchen sink at ManU and all the remaining games. 

To get something from the ManU game is absolutely the key to have even a glimmer of staying up. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on July 08, 2020, 09:36:07 AM
Don't worry folks, Charlie Nicholas has predicted a win for us tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 08, 2020, 09:39:02 AM

Seems like the plan rests on beating Palace and on the assumption that we wonít beat ManU. 

This is the classic way to get relegated. 

We should be throwing the kitchen sink at ManU and all the remaining games. 

To get something from the ManU game is absolutely the key to have even a glimmer of staying up. 

Yep, if we're going to go down, at least go down swinging. Shit or bust time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 09:41:39 AM

Seems like the plan rests on beating Palace and on the assumption that we wonít beat ManU. 

This is the classic way to get relegated. 

We should be throwing the kitchen sink at ManU and all the remaining games. 

To get something from the ManU game is absolutely the key to have even a glimmer of staying up. 

Yep, if we're going to go down, at least go down swinging. Shit or bust time.

Absolutely. It doesn't mean you have be any less organised in defence, but let's lay a glove on these shithouses tomorrow. It may not be enough, but lets have a fucking go.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dick Edwards on July 08, 2020, 09:48:52 AM
If we do get relegated, and I'm not throwing the towel in yet like many on here, we will go down in a far healthier position than when we did last time. Even if Mings, McGinn and Grealish leave, the incoming transfer fees will end any FFP issues immediately, and the players remaining will still leave a squad nucleus that is good enough to compete for promotion next season, along with the inevitable additions.
A major handicap this season has been that our front three aren't Premier League standard but I can see them scoring freely in the Championship. Even Jota was a proven stand out creative performer for Brentford in the lower division. The rest of the squad is still young and capable enough to perform at the lower level.

Too many people, including many of our own fans are quick to forget the monumental task the club had last summer. Yes, we spent over £100m but we had to completely overhaul the squad over a period of two months because the vast majority of the squad that got us up were either loanees, players coming to the end of their careers or ones that simply wouldn't have been good enough. This season was always going to be a struggle following such huge change in personnel in such a short time. I don't blame Dean Smith and certainly wouldn't sack him. Relegation would be a setback but not a disaster.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 08, 2020, 10:14:59 AM
The sad fact is hes one of our worst top flight managers. True he got us promoted but relegation does tend to cancel that out.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 08, 2020, 01:07:35 PM
I've found a tiny, weeny straw to clutch at, folks!

Usually, in a relegation battle, one team tends to pull away with just a few games to go, then suddenly drop like a stone and go down on the last day. Maybe Watford will "do a Blues"?


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 08, 2020, 01:43:34 PM
Watford were dreadful and Norwich unlucky.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 02:14:50 PM
I quite liked the look of Brundia(sp).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2020, 02:44:13 PM
I quite liked the look of Brundia(sp).

He finds space in the middle with ease. Probably the closest we'll get to finding Grealish type replacement on the summer budget we'll have. Been linked with him in the past.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 08, 2020, 04:13:39 PM
I quite liked the look of Brundia(sp).

He finds space in the middle with ease. Probably the closest we'll get to finding Grealish type replacement on the summer budget we'll have. Been linked with him in the past.

Buendia is one of the top midfielders for creativity apparently, this despite where Norwich are placed.   Seems a decent player, although doesn't like to track back. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on July 08, 2020, 04:15:51 PM
I quite liked the look of Brundia(sp).
Buendia was on the caption that JG tweeted after the Souness comments: he has some of the best assist stats in the League, even if they have not helped Naaaarwich to get anywhere.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on July 08, 2020, 04:24:25 PM
I know we have a mathematical chance but I'm afraid I don't see a real chance of staying up. We just can't buy a win. Back to the drawing board next season I'm afraid in an attempt to replace at least 3 good players. Shame as I think this team would stay up if they had another crack at this season after this experience, which is basically saying we bought too many inexperienced players for this league. Smith plays his part for not forming a strong team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on July 08, 2020, 04:43:13 PM
Relegation when it comes wont be the end of the world if - and its a big IF - those running the club learn from it. They made many errors (not just this season but the season we got promoted too - promotion just masked the problem) around coaching and player personnel, a few of which are below;

1. Should never have appointed Terry as a coach - what we needed was top level coaching experience (and Premiership at that), not an apprentice
2. When the current owners purchased back in July 18, we should have invested in the squad then (or in the winter TW) with long term investments - instead we panicked and loaned too many players which then left us way too much to do last summer - it was always going to be an uphill struggle and the acquisitions we did make have not panned out well by and large
3. Expectations should have been better managed coming into this season - the interview with Dean when he said we were here to compete was a great sound bite, but showed a lack of awareness and experience - we never had the time or the squad to be anywhere other than in a dog fight (as results now evidence) and smarter, wiser heads would have realized we needed PL player experience as least for 1-2 years to get ourselves established.

In summary, too much naivety. Will the club learn from its relegation this time - I hope so. If it does, I'm genuinely positive about our chances of a quick-ish return and hopefully, we will be more stable the next time we come up.           
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
That West Ham result gives the slightest glimmer. We need to win tomorrow though. I know itís massively unlikely, but fucking hell just turn up for once Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 08, 2020, 08:06:30 PM
The big sticking point in any survival fantasies is the fact that we look so desperately unlikely to win a game, regardless of the opposition. For Gods sake Villa, sort yourselves out
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ian J on July 08, 2020, 08:08:04 PM
When do we ever win against that lot?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 08, 2020, 08:08:31 PM
An excellent result from Burnley. West Ham now need to beat Watford.

Come on Villa lets put the squeeze on.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 09, 2020, 10:16:34 PM
I accepted relegation ages ago. Just yesterday I said I want to see us win 1 game before the season ends. Realistically I'd like to see us score a goal before the end of the season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 09, 2020, 10:25:51 PM
A shot on target would be nice. I just can't get my head round why Smith has not given Archer a chance. He is currently sitting at home as he has not been selected to train with the first team as the clueless one prefers Vassilev who still does not get a look-in over Davis or Samatta.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 09, 2020, 10:33:15 PM
We never seem to be able to find that magical combination of other teams' results that allows us to stay up while never winning a game ourselves.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 10:36:28 PM
A shot on target would be nice. I just can't get my head round why Smith has not given Archer a chance. He is currently sitting at home as he has not been selected to train with the first team as the clueless one prefers Vassilev who still does not get a look-in over Davis or Samatta.


yep, its just baffling. Play Samatta, he's shows nothing at all. ok i'll try Davis, he shows nothing at all. okay i'll play Samatta and so on and so on. If you're 2 forwards have a goal scoring record that would shame a centre half then maybe try someone else ffs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 09, 2020, 10:37:47 PM
Smith has lost it. He has Archer (18 years old starring for the U23s) sitting at home who has not even been chosen to train with the first team. He would offer far more than what we currently have. It beggars belief. I don't care if people think I am banging on about it. I know I am right. If he had been given a chance earlier on I am convinced we would not be where we are now. Just look at the videos of him in action on the H&V FB Page to see what he is capable of.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dazvillain on July 09, 2020, 10:39:59 PM
My post from another thread is probably best suited here. Iíd like to get an owners perspective at the end of the season and see if their plan has changed and how ?......

I think DS will be ok to get us out of the championship again but itís gonna take a couple of years. Even with the likes of our best half a dozen players sold I donít feel the others are gutsy performers for 2 games a week ..... if DS has some choice of championship players to buy or get on loan without Suso he may be ok.. I donít know why but Richard o Kelly pisses me off more than Deano.
Other than Luiz I canít seem AelG , Trez stopping on top of the better players going, and the squad for championship doesnít seem the same without fighters such as Snoddy, Albert, Chessie, Hutton, Tammy

Can see us down but think itís gonna take longer to get back up this time
I really wonder what our owners are thinking ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on July 09, 2020, 10:41:42 PM
Do the full parachute payments kick in again if we go down?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itbrvilla on July 09, 2020, 10:42:21 PM
I accepted relegation ages ago. Just yesterday I said I want to see us win 1 game before the season ends. Realistically I'd like to see us score a goal before the end of the season.
The club did too AFAIC. We've struggled since the start of d member and here we are 7 months later and thos in charge have done nothing. It's fucking negligence the bunch of charlatans.

P.s. I don't want Smith at this club now let alone next season. He has been a disaster and is miles out if his depth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy65 on July 09, 2020, 10:42:25 PM
My post from another thread is probably best suited here. Iíd like to get an owners perspective at the end of the season and see if their plan has changed and how ?......

I think DS will be ok to get us out of the championship again but itís gonna take a couple of years. Even with the likes of our best half a dozen players sold I donít feel the others are gutsy performers for 2 games a week ..... if DS has some choice of championship players to buy or get on loan without Suso he may be ok.. I donít know why but Richard o Kelly pisses me off more than Deano.
Other than Luiz I canít seem AelG , Trez stopping on top of the better players going, and the squad for championship doesnít seem the same without fighters such as Snoddy, Albert, Chessie, Hutton, Tammy

Can see us down but think itís gonna take longer to get back up this time
I really wonder what our owners are thinking ?

DS cannot remains under any circumstances whatsoever. Amazed anyone is thinking otherwise
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 09, 2020, 10:44:46 PM
Smith has lost it. He has Archer (18 years old starring for the U23s) sitting at home who has not even been chosen to train with the first team. He would offer far more than what we currently have. It beggars belief. I don't care if people think I am banging on about it. I know I am right. If he had been given a chance earlier on I am convinced we would not be where we are now. Just look at the videos of him in action on the H&V FB Page to see what he is capable of.

well it doesn't matter if you're right about him. its an alternative to something that we can plainly see isn't working so what have you lost? But if you don't even bother trying.............
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: colin69 on July 09, 2020, 10:45:26 PM
We are still in it but after tonight I canít see us winning another game this season. No fight from management or players. Disgraceful!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 09, 2020, 10:47:32 PM
Smith has lost it. He has Archer (18 years old starring for the U23s) sitting at home who has not even been chosen to train with the first team. He would offer far more than what we currently have. It beggars belief. I don't care if people think I am banging on about it. I know I am right. If he had been given a chance earlier on I am convinced we would not be where we are now. Just look at the videos of him in action on the H&V FB Page to see what he is capable of.
Assuming there are no injuries or anything he cannot possibly be worse than the two duds we currently use.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 09, 2020, 10:48:28 PM
It's not over. Yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 09, 2020, 11:55:06 PM
Do the full parachute payments kick in again if we go down?

Yep.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 09, 2020, 11:55:50 PM
It's not over. Yet.

You'll get very good odds on us staying up if you're confident.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 09, 2020, 11:58:14 PM
Not in the slightest.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 02:03:38 AM
That's now 2 points from 51 against the top 9 teams. Feck me!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on July 10, 2020, 08:32:43 AM
Smith has lost it. He has Archer (18 years old starring for the U23s) sitting at home who has not even been chosen to train with the first team. He would offer far more than what we currently have. It beggars belief. I don't care if people think I am banging on about it. I know I am right. If he had been given a chance earlier on I am convinced we would not be where we are now. Just look at the videos of him in action on the H&V FB Page to see what he is capable of.
Assuming there are no injuries or anything he cannot possibly be worse than the two duds we currently use.
How many times has there been young players chomping at the bit who would be bound to save us if only given a chance, but then have turned out to be pretty shit? 

Cameon Archer may well turn out to be a superstar, but the reason we are being relegated is not just because we didn't place all our chips on an untested 18 year old to save us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 10, 2020, 09:49:15 AM
After beating Watford at home I thought three more wins would do it. We have played a lot of football,  against some pretty mediocre outfits since then, and haven't managed one win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 10, 2020, 09:55:20 AM
After beating Watford at home I thought three more wins would do it. We have played a lot of football,  against some pretty mediocre outfits since then, and haven't managed one win.

After Watford, we needed to then win 3 more games for safety. THREE. The form is disgraceful and heads will roll
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 10, 2020, 09:57:43 AM
We simply are nowhere near good enough to have any hope of staying up, which is some going in a league as bad as this year's.  Shame on them all.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 10, 2020, 10:37:42 AM
I know the season was suspended but we haven't won a game since January. Nearly six months without a win. It's just desperate.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 10, 2020, 12:12:39 PM
I accepted relegation ages ago. Just yesterday I said I want to see us win 1 game before the season ends. Realistically I'd like to see us score a goal before the end of the season.
The club did too AFAIC. We've struggled since the start of d member and here we are 7 months later and thos in charge have done nothing. It's fucking negligence the bunch of charlatans.

P.s. I don't want Smith at this club now let alone next season. He has been a disaster and is miles out if his depth.

The owners are behaving very strangely doing nothing. It pisses me right off that clubs like Everton and Southampton were struggling and acted upon it and now they're safe. West Ham look like surviving too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 10, 2020, 12:20:41 PM
I accepted relegation ages ago. Just yesterday I said I want to see us win 1 game before the season ends. Realistically I'd like to see us score a goal before the end of the season.
The club did too AFAIC. We've struggled since the start of d member and here we are 7 months later and thos in charge have done nothing. It's fucking negligence the bunch of charlatans.

P.s. I don't want Smith at this club now let alone next season. He has been a disaster and is miles out if his depth.

The owners are behaving very strangely doing nothing. It pisses me right off that clubs like Everton and Southampton were struggling and acted upon it and now they're safe. West Ham look like surviving too.

Have are you saying that Southampton reacted? By keeping their manager?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 10, 2020, 12:31:19 PM
Iíll be a lot more surprised with 4 games to go if we stay up this season than I was that we went up last year with 4 games to go.

Last year seemed like we had an unstoppable momentum to go up, this year itís the complete opposite.  I was so looking forward to mid table mediocrity too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on July 10, 2020, 12:41:54 PM
I accepted relegation ages ago. Just yesterday I said I want to see us win 1 game before the season ends. Realistically I'd like to see us score a goal before the end of the season.
The club did too AFAIC. We've struggled since the start of d member and here we are 7 months later and thos in charge have done nothing. It's fucking negligence the bunch of charlatans.

P.s. I don't want Smith at this club now let alone next season. He has been a disaster and is miles out if his depth.

The owners are behaving very strangely doing nothing. It pisses me right off that clubs like Everton and Southampton were struggling and acted upon it and now they're safe. West Ham look like surviving too.

Have are you saying that Southampton reacted? By keeping their manager?

My mistake.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on July 10, 2020, 12:51:26 PM
The best we can hope for is that Palace are on the beach and everyone else loses everything and we get a pop at West Ham for 3 points to keep us up. Do I think that will happen? No.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 10, 2020, 02:16:04 PM
Gary Cahill injured his hamstring v Chelsea so he won't play. I think we'll score v Palace but we'll strill struggle to keep a clean sheet with what they have in final third.

We have at best a 5% chance of staying up. Doomsday scenario is Watford and West Ham win double on Saturday which would leave us 8 points off survival when you factor in GD and after Palace there's only 9 points left to play for.

Need to hope one of the Watford/West Ham will drop points and we start aswell as we did last night and hopefully score and taking things from there.

2 points off 17th with 3 games left and it's still in the balance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on July 10, 2020, 02:29:48 PM
Yeah, Iíd agree - it feels like a pretty pivotal weekend. If we can reduce the gap, we are in with a decent chance, but even just maintaining it at four points would feel like there is too much to do in too little time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on July 10, 2020, 04:47:43 PM
At this point, I would absolutely snap your hand off for us to have a fighting chance going into the final game.  Playing West Ham knowing a win would (or even 'could') keep us up would be massive.  Three weeks ago I thought that was the absolute worst situation we could be in. 

Right now, it's probably the best we can hope for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 04:26:45 PM
Let's try again:

Everton 1-2 Villa
West Ham 2-0 Watford

Villa 0-1 Arsenal
Watford 0-3 Man. City

Arsenal 2-1 Watford
West Ham 1-1 Villa

I think with that we stay up on 34 points and goals scored.

We must beat Everton given what they produced today and also West Ham beating Watford makes far more sense than the other two possible results as they'd be on the beach for final day.

There's still a chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 04:28:08 PM
Keeping my fingers crossed. If you offered me 5 points from the next 3 games I would probably take it
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 12, 2020, 04:31:02 PM
Let's try again:

Everton 1-2 Villa
West Ham 2-0 Watford

Villa 0-1 Arsenal
Watford 0-3 Man. City

Arsenal 2-1 Watford
West Ham 1-1 Villa

I think with that we stay up on 34 points and goals scored.

We must beat Everton given what they produced today and also West Ham beating Watford makes far more sense than the other two possible results as they'd be on the beach for final day.

There's still a chance.


You might be right but I was thinking a West Ham/Watford draw with them both dropping two points might be the best result for us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 04:34:45 PM
Let's try again:

Everton 1-2 Villa
West Ham 2-0 Watford

Villa 0-1 Arsenal
Watford 0-3 Man. City

Arsenal 2-1 Watford
West Ham 1-1 Villa

I think with that we stay up on 34 points and goals scored.

We must beat Everton given what they produced today and also West Ham beating Watford makes far more sense than the other two possible results as they'd be on the beach for final day.

There's still a chance.


You might be right but I was thinking a West Ham/Watford draw with them both dropping two points might be the best result for us.

No not for me. Watford could easily lose their last three and we need points total to be as low as possible so that would be 34 and hopefully Watford would get at least one heavy defeat. We're 6 behind them in GD.

With a win West Ham would be all but safe and if we only were on 33 points going into final day they couldn't go down so you'd like to think they wouldn't bother much.

We have far more chance of getting a draw/win at West Ham on last day if they're already safe, think that's a pretty logical conclusion.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2020, 04:46:56 PM
A draw or Watford win leaves in our own hands, West ham winning would mean we could beat them and still not get promoted if Watford get a win at Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: walsall villain on July 12, 2020, 04:50:58 PM
Let's try again:

Everton 1-2 Villa
West Ham 2-0 Watford

Villa 0-1 Arsenal
Watford 0-3 Man. City

Arsenal 2-1 Watford
West Ham 1-1 Villa

I think with that we stay up on 34 points and goals scored.

We must beat Everton given what they produced today and also West Ham beating Watford makes far more sense than the other two possible results as they'd be on the beach for final day.

There's still a chance.


You might be right but I was thinking a West Ham/Watford draw with them both dropping two points might be the best result for us.

No not for me. Watford could easily lose their last three and we need points total to be as low as possible so that would be 34 and hopefully Watford would get at least one heavy defeat. We're 6 behind them in GD.

With a win West Ham would be all but safe and if we only were on 33 points going into final day they couldn't go down so you'd like to think they wouldn't bother much.

We have far more chance of getting a draw/win at West Ham on last day if they're already safe, think that's a pretty logical conclusion.
100% agree. We have a good chance last day if West Ham are safe, still need another win from next 2, at least there is still hope
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 04:51:00 PM
Even the word hopeless has hope in it!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 04:55:49 PM
A draw or Watford win leaves in our own hands, West ham winning would mean we could beat them and still not get promoted if Watford get a win at Arsenal.

If Watford beat Arsenal fair play. Something we've not done all season. We also play Arsenal a few days before so will have one final chance to put that sorry record right. David Luiz will probably play like McGrath v us.

The task is harder though. We would need to win two games to stay up whereas if Watford lost all three a win and a draw may be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2020, 05:00:11 PM
A draw or Watford win leaves in our own hands, West ham winning would mean we could beat them and still not get promoted if Watford get a win at Arsenal.

Promoted?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 12, 2020, 05:00:39 PM
I'm fairly certain Arsenal will beat us then lose to Watford, if there is any chance that could prove crucial.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 12, 2020, 05:09:54 PM
This is going to be like the Krypton Factor with all these possibilities
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2020, 05:19:12 PM
A draw or Watford win leaves in our own hands, West ham winning would mean we could beat them and still not get promoted if Watford get a win at Arsenal.

Promoted?

Yeah, sorry, was in the middle of a chat with my baggie supporting cousin when I was writing that, telling her how funny it'd be if they fuck it up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2020, 05:23:23 PM
Beat Everton, and Watford and West Ham might just start to shit themselves.  The thing is with with the game bewteen the two of those, it's not fatal whatever happens.  If (and it's a big if) we do beat Everton, then a draw between those two and it's back in our own hands.   A Watford win and it's also back in our hands.  A West Ham win would mean we'd still need Watford to drop points, but then the Spammers might not try very hard in their last game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 05:31:41 PM
One more point  right now would be huge to us. Such a crying shame we didn't hang on for a point against Chelsea.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on July 12, 2020, 05:32:41 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 05:36:00 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

I think so too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 12, 2020, 05:44:29 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2020, 05:47:01 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result

I don't think so.  Keeps them both in the shit, as long as we beat Everton.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result

I don't think so.  Keeps them both in the shit, as long as we beat Everton.

Pushes the minimum required to 35 points. I would prefer it if  Watford lost.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 12, 2020, 05:56:25 PM
I donít think the result of the West Ham Watford game matters now in terms of our fate. Whoever wins is more or less safe. Watford lose Man City at home and arsenal away no thanks. West Ham lose man u away, again no thanks and then us for possibly the biggest of winner takes all in some years.

All means nowt if we lose to Everton. We simply must perform like today and despite massive reservations about Trez all season, simply must be same starting 11.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2020, 06:00:39 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result

I don't think so.  Keeps them both in the shit, as long as we beat Everton.

Pushes the minimum required to 35 points. I would prefer it if  Watford lost.

That doesn't make much difference to us though. In fact if we beat Everton then I don't care what the result in that game is because we'll have given ourselves a chance regardless of what else happens and that's all we can hope for now, if the game kicks off on the last day with us in charge of our own destiny then I'm happy.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 06:03:23 PM
I agree Paul, we have to take care of our own business.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 12, 2020, 06:03:36 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result

I don't think so.  Keeps them both in the shit, as long as we beat Everton.

Pushes the minimum required to 35 points. I would prefer it if  Watford lost.

That doesn't make much difference to us though. In fact if we beat Everton then I don't care what the result in that game is because we'll have given ourselves a chance regardless of what else happens and that's all we can hope for now, if the game kicks off on the last day with us in charge of our own destiny then I'm happy.

I'd go along with that. In fact I'd take not being relegated already before the last day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 12, 2020, 06:09:26 PM
I'd go along with that. In fact I'd take not being relegated already before the last day.

Is there a set of results that can happen that would mean both us and West Ham only need a point on the last day?  That would be quite good I reckon.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 12, 2020, 06:10:55 PM
I'd prefer West Ham safe at the expense of Watford before we play them
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 12, 2020, 06:13:14 PM
I'd go along with that. In fact I'd take not being relegated already before the last day.

Is there a set of results that can happen that would mean both us and West Ham only need a point on the last day?  That would be quite good I reckon.

Only if Watfordís goal difference took an absolute hammering and/or ours improved significantly, I think.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john e on July 12, 2020, 06:13:58 PM
all the penultimate matches are hard for everyone but I donít think Iíd swap

Man Utd v West Ham
Watford v Man City
Bournemouth v Liecester
Villa v Arsenal


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 12, 2020, 06:17:34 PM
I'd go along with that. In fact I'd take not being relegated already before the last day.

Is there a set of results that can happen that would mean both us and West Ham only need a point on the last day?  That would be quite good I reckon.

The closest you could get would be us getting 2 wins and scoring about 4-5 between them, watford losing both by about the same and West ham losing 1. That's be us on 36 needing a point to be 3 in front of Watford and with enough positive goal difference to make them need a big win, with West Ham happy with a point to make themselves absolutely guaranteed to be safe.


I can't see it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 06:20:47 PM
I'd go along with that. In fact I'd take not being relegated already before the last day.

Is there a set of results that can happen that would mean both us and West Ham only need a point on the last day?  That would be quite good I reckon.

Now you're talking.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Exeter 77 on July 12, 2020, 06:22:49 PM
Man City taking Watford  apart like they did in the FA Cup Final last year would be good.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 12, 2020, 06:23:17 PM
We can do this. Everton, utter shite, Arsenal, season over and away from home where they're weak.

Reliant on Watford losing to West Ham, to put another side on the beach against us and us beating Everton and one of the others.

Hope.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
I think I would rather see Watford lose their remaining games and West Ham not having to play for on the last day of the season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 06:26:50 PM
We can do this. Everton, utter shite, Arsenal, season over and away from home where they're weak.

Reliant on Watford losing to West Ham, to put another side on the beach against us and us beating Everton and one of the others.

Hope.

In a post, that sums up what a win does for you. Before it, no-one can see where the next win will come from then afterwards, it's all changed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 12, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
We can do this. Everton, utter shite, Arsenal, season over and away from home where they're weak.

Reliant on Watford losing to West Ham, to put another side on the beach against us and us beating Everton and one of the others.

Hope.

In a post, that sums up what a win does for you. Before it, no-one can see where the next win will come from then afterwards, it's all changed.

What would Saunders say?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2020, 06:31:29 PM
all the penultimate matches are hard for everyone but I donít think Iíd swap

Man Utd v West Ham
Watford v Man City
Bournemouth v Liecester
Villa v Arsenal


Bournemouth are about to play Leicester, their penultimate game is Southampton at home.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 12, 2020, 06:33:33 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 12, 2020, 06:34:56 PM
I think a West Ham win against Watford might be the best result for us really. Watford have two very difficult matches after that, and West Ham being safe before the last day of the season could help us.

Agreed. Draw would be the worst result

I don't think so.  Keeps them both in the shit, as long as we beat Everton.

Yep, with the gd having gotten away from us a bit again after reeling it in, us getting a point from somewhere doesn't help. Better to keep more teams in the mire. I'd rather it be in our own hands against the spammers than not, given a choice.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 12, 2020, 06:36:47 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82
Forget what I've just said, this^ instead.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 12, 2020, 06:38:17 PM
Are we all discounting Brighton? Stranger things have happened.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 06:38:24 PM
The fixtures are all there arenít they, even if it is a bloody long shot.

I think Iíd rather west ham get clear and donít turn up against us than a winner takes all game against them, which they would win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 06:40:55 PM
Are we all discounting Brighton? Stranger things have happened.

The points required is definitely moving.

On the other hand people are also discounting Bournemouth! Imagine if we catch one of Watford/West Ham and Bournemouth get past us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 06:41:28 PM
Are we all discounting Brighton? Stranger things have happened.

Their GD is still 11 better than ours despite the trashing they got yesterday. They were safe the minute they beat Arsenal in my mind.

We need 37 points to finish above them (that's if they don't claim another point which is very unlikely with the three games they have left). If we're getting that amount of points I'm very confident we'll be finishing above Watford.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 06:43:16 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82

I was 1 year old. Presumably Austria basically let West Germany beat them?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 12, 2020, 06:45:47 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82

I was 1 year old. Presumably Austria basically let West Germany beat them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gij%C3%B3n
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 06:47:34 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82

I was 1 year old. Presumably Austria basically let West Germany beat them?

Passing the ball outside the centre circle was basically a no go area in the second half.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OCD on July 12, 2020, 06:48:51 PM
Ideally us vs West Ham will be like Austria vs West Germany in Ď82

I was 1 year old. Presumably Austria basically let West Germany beat them?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gij%C3%B3n

Thanks PWS and SHQ. Least they could do after stealing our kits :).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 12, 2020, 06:51:05 PM
Pretty tempted to go up to Scouseland for a beer and watch in a pub . Is that mental ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Holte L2 on July 12, 2020, 08:18:27 PM
Pretty tempted to go up to Scouseland for a beer and watch in a pub . Is that mental ?

I've also been thinking about it as well but we are shielding the wife until August so best not.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 12, 2020, 08:24:30 PM
Pretty tempted to go up to Scouseland for a beer and watch in a pub . Is that mental ?

I've also been thinking about it as well but we are shielding the wife until August so best not.

It's a really good idea to shield the wife from Scousers, probably well beyond August though mate.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 12, 2020, 08:31:43 PM
Well, weíre back to 19th as it stands. Bournemouth 2-1 up against 10 men.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 08:48:28 PM
I donít think it changes much.

Weíve won our most winnable game, thatís all for now. We probably needed to win 3 of our last 4 and even then it could have been out of our hands. If we do that and we still go down, weíll, it will be a pisser but itís our own fault. Nothingís changed, slim chance of survival, variables outside our control
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 08:50:38 PM
Lol 4-1
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SW9-VILLA on July 12, 2020, 08:51:53 PM
Leicester doing their best to collapse
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on July 12, 2020, 08:51:54 PM
I donít think it changes much.

Weíve won our most winnable game, thatís all for now. We probably needed to win 3 of our last 4 and even then it could have been out of our hands. If we do that and we still go down, weíll, it will be a pisser but itís our own fault. Nothingís changed, slim chance of survival, variables outside our control

Yeah I agree. I thought weíd need to win 3 out of 4, so now 2 from 3. Bournemouth have Man City, Southampton and Everton away. If we win 2 out of our last 3 will 36 points be enough?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 08:54:14 PM
The goal difference is starting to look a bit negligent now, given that we had a decent one until fairly late in the season and it was relatively tightly clustered in a few embarrassing results where the players gave up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 08:55:14 PM
Could've done without last 20 minutes. Bournemouth got a better GD than us again. Hopefully Man. City will put 4-5 past them to put that right.

Suppose one way of looking at things is we need minimum 34 points to survive and Bournemouth could still lose 2 of their last 3 given one of those is Man. City away. Southampton will want to put them down aswell and they're good away (mind you so are Palace).

They were all but down even with a draw.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 12, 2020, 08:55:35 PM
Leicester have literally given Bournemouth 4 goals tonight. Just hope Man City batter them midweek and then Southampton take the derby seriously after that. Going to the wire
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 12, 2020, 08:57:07 PM
The promising factor is that Southampton are a good, professional side.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 12, 2020, 08:58:51 PM
Yep, I believe in Ralph Hussenthal and all who sail in him.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on July 12, 2020, 08:59:27 PM
The promising factor is that Southampton are a good, professional side.
You'd have hoped the same could've been said of Leicester until that second half. They served up something even worse than we have done this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 12, 2020, 09:00:54 PM
We need to win 2 games and possibly draw the other.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 12, 2020, 09:07:35 PM
The promising factor is that Southampton are a good, professional side.

Ings should enjoy himself against that Bournemouth backline. I only had a passing interest in game until it got to 1-1 and honestly thought Leicester had scored another goal, it had the air of them being 2 or 3 up, they were so comfortable in the first half and wasted so many chances.

The punishment for them is they'll probably miss out on even finishing 5th now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 12, 2020, 09:44:40 PM
That Leicester second half was so bad it should trigger an investigation from the Gambling Commission!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 12, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
We are now beginning to see some strange results, Motivation, injuries and fatigue will play a huge part in the last few games. The players were not in  condition to play so many games in such a short period.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 12, 2020, 10:24:42 PM
The Bournemouth result would have been a gratuitous nail in our coffin if we hadn't won, but we did, so we're still alive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2020, 12:21:14 AM
That Leicester second half was so bad it should trigger an investigation from the Gambling Commission!

Perhaps they'll look back in a few years as their Stoke moment. They're choking top 4 like we did back then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 13, 2020, 01:40:13 AM
Since the slapped us at VP early December we've won 4 league games, they've ony won 5.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: adrenachrome on July 13, 2020, 02:56:21 AM
We are now beginning to see some strange results, Motivation, injuries and fatigue will play a huge part in the last few games. The players were not in  condition to play so many games in such a short period.



Yes. Several teams were sluggish for 2 to 3 games and then sprang to life and rediscovered some sharpness.

I don't think any team is back to pre-break levels, including Man U.

At least we haven't any incurred major injuries. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 13, 2020, 04:17:34 AM
He must see that playing Grealish as an attacking forward is the way to go.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2020, 05:56:49 AM
We are now beginning to see some strange results, Motivation, injuries and fatigue will play a huge part in the last few games. The players were not in  condition to play so many games in such a short period.



Yes. Several teams were sluggish for 2 to 3 games and then sprang to life and rediscovered some sharpness.

I don't think any team is back to pre-break levels, including Man U.

At least we haven't any incurred major injuries.
and some started well and are looking jaded.
Having key players available for the next 3 games will be critical for the relegation threatened  teams.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 13, 2020, 09:12:33 AM
That Leicester second half was so bad it should trigger an investigation from the Gambling Commission!

I thought similar, it reminded me of Brazil being mauled by Germany in the WC SF where you actually question how professional players can perform so badly.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 13, 2020, 11:05:12 AM
What an ideal week looks like
- Man City beat Bournemouth by 4 goals
- we win v Everton
- West Ham beat Watford
- Southampton donít lose v Bournemouth
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: maidstonevillain on July 13, 2020, 11:07:36 AM
i'm more inclined to go for Watford beat West Ham.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2020, 11:10:02 AM
West Ham beat Watford for me. Don't want to have to beat West Ham AND rely on Arsenal not fucking us over for one last time when they play Watford. I'll just be happy if Villa win and Bournemouth lose this week though, those are the main things. We win and there is a positive to the Watford West Ham result whichever way it goes.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2020, 11:21:43 AM
Be surprised if Bournemouth don't get beat against Man City.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 13, 2020, 11:31:39 AM
Be surprised if Bournemouth don't get beat against Man City.

These rash predictions will be your downfall.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 13, 2020, 12:42:19 PM
We could be safe after Arsenal. Requires us to win our next two but given I was thinking we could well be down on Thursday it's a nice difference. Incredible how much a win inspires confidence. Thursday is so big. Winnable game in the circumstances, got to keep the momentum going.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2020, 12:49:22 PM
Never trust a London team, any one of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2020, 12:49:41 PM
Absolutely. We have to play on the front foot again, ride our luck and score the first goal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on July 13, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
So we need.....

Man City x2 wins (Bournemouth and Watford)
Southampton x2 wins (Bournemouth and Brighton)
Eve x1 win (Bournemouth)
Newc x1 win (Brighton)
Man U x1 (West Ham)
Arse x1 win (Watford)
Burnley x1 win (Brighton)

Brighton therefore have Southampton, Newcastle and Burnley. You'd imagine they'll pick up something in there.
West Ham have Watford, Arsenal and Villa.
Watford have West Ham, Man City and Arsenal.
Bournemouth have Man City, Southampton and Everton
Villa have Everton, Arsenal and West Ham.

Out of those games, you'd least want Watford's run in, they'l be shitting it, though they've won their last two.
Brighton's would be regarded as best (particularly as they have more points anyway)
West Ham will feel good about their's as it's all in their hands, though if Watford beat them.....
Bournemouth will feel after yesterday that they can do it with their last two games.
And we're still in there if we can beat Everton.

I'd thought Brighton may have an outside chance of being caught but they'll be ok. This could go in any number of ways, the bookies have it like this....

Bournemouth 1/10
Villa 1/9
Watford 7/2
West Ham 7/1
Brighton 80/1

I'm surprised at West Ham being as far out as they are.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rob_bridge on July 13, 2020, 01:05:18 PM
I thought pre lockdown it would be Norwich and Brighton and one other. They came back much fresher
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 13, 2020, 01:20:14 PM
In my own mind I had already removed Brighton from the relegation equation a few games back. Around the same time I had totally written off Norwich. I had narrowed it down to any two from four (Watford,  Bournemouth, West Ham, Villa) for the last few games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2020, 01:29:55 PM
i'm more inclined to go for Watford beat West Ham.

Not for me. There's a chance Watford will lose their last three and their GD could take a hammering so 34 points could be enough to finish above them.

For the last game with West Ham I'd rather go there with them safe or all but safe and just content to play out a point with us. That's far more likely if they win the game with their GD.

One wildcard is Bournemouth now. After last night's second half I don't know what to expect from them v Southampton and Everton. One boost is Ake got injured first half so their defence is still pretty weak.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 13, 2020, 01:32:00 PM
We could be safe after Arsenal. Requires us to win our next two but given I was thinking we could well be down on Thursday it's a nice difference. Incredible how much a win inspires confidence. Thursday is so big. Winnable game in the circumstances, got to keep the momentum going.

There is a formula where we could be safe after Arsenal? Even if we won our next two and Watford lost their next two we'd be on 36 and Watford would still be on 34. We'd be in a great position but still have work to do on the final day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 13, 2020, 01:45:51 PM
Sorry I'm talking bollocks. We can't be safe after Arsenal. We could be ahead of three teams going into the last day though which would be reassuring.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on July 13, 2020, 02:12:24 PM
In my own mind I had already removed Brighton from the relegation equation a few games back. Around the same time I had totally written off Norwich. I had narrowed it down to any two from four (Watford,  Bournemouth, West Ham, Villa) for the last few games.

So had I until yesterday, then after looking at the games, I have done again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 13, 2020, 02:17:16 PM
We are still favourites to go down with Bournemouth and rightly so.
We are more than likely going to need to win our next 3 to stay up and that is unlikely,if you truly believe that we can, I suggest you stick as much as you can afford on Us. At 5 to 1, I doubt that many will be taking that on..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 13, 2020, 04:53:40 PM
We were 80/1 to get promoted on 1st March last season. We then beat Derby 4-0 and dropped to 33/1, at which point my mate lumped on us. He was particularly happy at Wembley after the PO Final. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 13, 2020, 07:38:56 PM
If West Ham beat Watford, with Watford losing to Man City, then the goal difference, even accounting for Man United battering West Ham, would make them safe and "on the beach".

So West Ham to beat Watford.
Watford to.then lose to Man City and Arsenal.
Us to beat Everton and Arsenal and avoid defeat final day.

Job...jobbed.

As long as Bournemouth only draw at best with Southampton, as they're likely to get hammered the weekend away at Man City.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Big Ming on July 13, 2020, 08:00:34 PM
I have a horrible feeling that an engineered draw will be all West Ham and Watford need.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2020, 08:05:15 PM
I have a horrible feeling that an engineered draw will be all West Ham and Watford need.



A draw suits neither of them. Bournemouth and, to a lesser extent, Villa have winnable games. Either club (Watford or Wham) would be mad to limit their points total through choice.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 13, 2020, 08:11:00 PM
A draw in that match wouldn't be a bad result for us at all.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 13, 2020, 08:12:36 PM
Relying on Arsenal to beat Watford is foolish. Would much rather have the chance to catch West Ham with a win last day and in our hands. Everything comes down to us winning matches of course.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2020, 08:13:59 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 13, 2020, 09:05:17 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.
Watford will win. Welbeck will score the winner.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rory Christopher on July 13, 2020, 09:32:26 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.

Unless they're playing us. They're normally a pretty safe bet then, the tarquin wankers.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 13, 2020, 09:34:47 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.

Unless they're playing us. They're normally a pretty safe bet then, the tarquin wankers.

Of course.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 13, 2020, 09:43:39 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.
Watford will win. Deeney will score the winner.

Fixed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: johnc on July 13, 2020, 09:46:11 PM
We were 80/1 to get promoted on 1st March last season. We then beat Derby 4-0 and dropped to 33/1, at which point my mate lumped on us. He was particularly happy at Wembley after the PO Final.
8 of us went for a few pints after WBA beat us at VP. We put £80 on the Villa to go up ay 50/1. We enjoyed wembley as well. There have ben a few suggestions that we put another 80 on us to stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on July 14, 2020, 07:14:19 AM
We were 80/1 to get promoted on 1st March last season. We then beat Derby 4-0 and dropped to 33/1, at which point my mate lumped on us. He was particularly happy at Wembley after the PO Final.
8 of us went for a few pints after WBA beat us at VP. We put £80 on the Villa to go up ay 50/1. We enjoyed wembley as well. There have ben a few suggestions that we put another 80 on us to stay up.
Just wire me the money instead.
Let me know when you want my bank details.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 14, 2020, 07:49:17 AM
I am surprised the Bookies are still in business
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2020, 09:57:22 AM
I am surprised the Bookies are still in business

Have you seen Damo's record?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: lovejoy on July 14, 2020, 10:35:42 AM
We were 80/1 to get promoted on 1st March last season. We then beat Derby 4-0 and dropped to 33/1, at which point my mate lumped on us. He was particularly happy at Wembley after the PO Final.
8 of us went for a few pints after WBA beat us at VP. We put £80 on the Villa to go up ay 50/1. We enjoyed wembley as well. There have ben a few suggestions that we put another 80 on us to stay up.

I watched this market closely and never saw us getting near 80/1, which bookies did you use?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 14, 2020, 10:52:46 AM
I am surprised the Bookies are still in business

Have you seen Damo's record?

Yes. It's a Queen album.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 14, 2020, 11:18:31 AM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2020, 11:50:01 AM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.

I'm not sure I'd say monumental effort to be honest a win and a defeat in the next 2 would almost certainly see us still within 2 points of safety going into the last game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 14, 2020, 12:10:08 PM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.

I'm not sure I'd say monumental effort to be honest a win and a defeat in the next 2 would almost certainly see us still within 2 points of safety going into the last game.
Quite a big effort then? Considering Palace was only our 3rd win this year?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 14, 2020, 12:36:03 PM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.

I'm not sure I'd say monumental effort to be honest a win and a defeat in the next 2 would almost certainly see us still within 2 points of safety going into the last game.
Quite a big effort then? Considering Palace was only our 3rd win this year?

quite big I can accept, monumental was the term I disagreed with.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 14, 2020, 12:50:12 PM
We were 80/1 to get promoted on 1st March last season. We then beat Derby 4-0 and dropped to 33/1, at which point my mate lumped on us. He was particularly happy at Wembley after the PO Final.
8 of us went for a few pints after WBA beat us at VP. We put £80 on the Villa to go up ay 50/1. We enjoyed wembley as well. There have ben a few suggestions that we put another 80 on us to stay up.

I watched this market closely and never saw us getting near 80/1, which bookies did you use?

It wasn't me, it was my mate who took the bet at 33/1 who told me that. He may have exaggerated or just been mistaken, and it may have been closer to 50/1.

Either way itís more of a long shot than us staying up this season!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: garyellis on July 14, 2020, 12:51:05 PM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.
This is where I am now - the end of the world it is not and nothing like the position we were in last time we got relegated
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JJ-AV on July 14, 2020, 01:02:09 PM
If we beat Everton it'll give us a very decent chance of staying up.

It's doable and I still feel like it's in our hands, even if it technically isn't.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 14, 2020, 01:03:27 PM
Iím slightly more confident we could beat Arsenal having just seen their fixtures - it could be a good time to play them.

They play Liverpool tomorrow then Man City on Saturday night in the FA Cup semi final. With a bit of luck they will be tired and demoralised with nothing to play for come next Tuesday.

Just means that weíd still have hope even if we fail to beat Everton on Thursday.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 14, 2020, 01:23:59 PM
It will still take a monumental effort from the lads to still be in with a chance of survival against West Ham. It will also require other results to go our way.  But there's still hope. On the flipside relegation would give us parachute payments to rebuild the squad plus a huge amount from the sale of Jack is available for us to spend as he's a home grown player. Then we do still have wealthy owners who will have watched Man City smash ffp and they will be looking at the implications for clubs like us. So stay up and build the squad or get relegated and still be in a good position to rebuild. Either way I'm still optimistic for a bright future at Villa Park. It feels nothing like the gloomy days of our previous relegation and if we do go down I'll be backing us with a hefty bet on an immediate return.

I'm not sure I'd say monumental effort to be honest a win and a defeat in the next 2 would almost certainly see us still within 2 points of safety going into the last game.
Quite a big effort then? Considering Palace was only our 3rd win this year?

quite big I can accept, monumental was the term I disagreed with.
My bad.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 14, 2020, 01:37:44 PM
Double edged sword for me, if we stay up it's another season of staying up til the very late hours watching us get beat and paying the 16 dollars a month for the pleasure. If we go down i will get to see Villa live once a month if lucky playing some really crap sides.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Big Ming on July 14, 2020, 01:58:13 PM
There's an awful lot of straw clutching on here.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdward on July 14, 2020, 02:15:16 PM
Yep, that Watford v Arsenal game scares me. Never rely on Arsenal.
Watford will win. Deeney will score the winner.

Fixed.

Thank McGrath we don't have to play Watford last game,  you could bet your house on Deeney sending us packing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on July 14, 2020, 02:28:07 PM
Iím slightly more confident we could beat Arsenal having just seen their fixtures - it could be a good time to play them.

They play Liverpool tomorrow then Man City on Saturday night in the FA Cup semi final. With a bit of luck they will be tired and demoralised with nothing to play for come next Tuesday.

Just means that weíd still have hope even if we fail to beat Everton on Thursday.

Extra Time and Pens v Man City before a win would have them excited but tired and focused on the cup.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 14, 2020, 02:58:28 PM
Iím slightly more confident we could beat Arsenal having just seen their fixtures - it could be a good time to play them.

They play Liverpool tomorrow then Man City on Saturday night in the FA Cup semi final. With a bit of luck they will be tired and demoralised with nothing to play for come next Tuesday.

Just means that weíd still have hope even if we fail to beat Everton on Thursday.

For some reason I thought we were playing at weekend and cups were in the midweek. Even better then as Thursday-Tuesday is a good rest period so we can go full pelt in the Arsenal game and Man. City game will probably take a fair bit out of Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2020, 12:05:51 AM
Finally, a game where we come into it more rested than the opponents. I now fancy us more to beat Arsenal than Everton. Just have a feeling that Ancelotti will not put-up with another performance like the one at Wolves and those Everton players will be playing for their futures.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 15, 2020, 01:14:07 AM
There's an awful lot of straw clutching on here.

Think the size of the task is reflected in the fact that even with
 two wins in the next two games, we would still be taking it to the last day. 

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 15, 2020, 08:35:20 AM
If we can beat Everton and it's a big if the momentum going into the Arsenal game would be huge.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 15, 2020, 09:07:56 AM
Quote from: Big Ming link=topic=60603.msg3791071#msg3791071 date=1594731

493
There's an awful lot of straw clutching on here.


What do you expect?!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2020, 09:12:32 AM
There's an awful lot of straw clutching on here.



At least we've still got some straws to clutch on to.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2020, 11:07:13 AM
There's an awful lot of straw clutching on here.


Necessary at this stage as we don't have the comfort of other teams getting 12 point deductions.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 15, 2020, 11:11:10 AM
If we can beat Everton and it's a big if the momentum going into the Arsenal game would be huge.

If West Ham beat Watford it's conceivable that 2 draws and a win on the last day would be enough. Even a draw and a win might be enough although not the way I'd like to do it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 15, 2020, 01:42:00 PM
We have to take care of our own business and rely only on ourselves.  If Leicester are anything to go by, we cannot rely on anyone else.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on July 15, 2020, 05:33:37 PM
We have to take care of our own business and rely only on ourselves.  If Leicester are anything to go by, we cannot rely on anyone else.

Yep. Lots of permutations but what's certain is that if we don't focus and take care of our own business  tomorrow (and just getting two wins on the bounce would be dramatic after our run of form), it wont matter much what happens elsewhere.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2020, 10:09:11 AM
Itís a big ask and I think we have to win all 3 games. One win each for Watford and Wham and weíre stuff if we havenít won all our games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on July 16, 2020, 11:55:12 AM
Clearly unlikely to happen, but I would love it - the full Keegan 'love it!' - if we go into the last game with a draw meaning both we and the kit stealers are safe ... and we stuff them to send them down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 16, 2020, 01:02:13 PM
I can genuinely see us finishing on 35 points and being relegated by goal difference.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 16, 2020, 02:23:53 PM
I think if we end up on 35 weíll be relegated on the basis of our points total.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: IFWaters on July 16, 2020, 08:02:59 PM
so 38 points is definite safety now.

Brighton could do that tonight and West Ham or watford could get to 37 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on July 16, 2020, 08:14:05 PM
Realistically for the other teams, 37 is safety with our goal difference.

I think I would probably prefer West Ham to win tomorrow and be safe and keep Watford under pressure as they have two tough games afterwards.

However beating Arsenal at home for the first time in over 20 years is a big ask for this team, let alone following it up with another at West Ham.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on July 16, 2020, 08:23:19 PM
Watford are the kind of team to beat Arsenal as they will be in their faces unsettling them. I fear we are the opposite, letting them play.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 16, 2020, 08:23:31 PM
I sometimes feel like I'm going mad but why oh why do people want West Ham to win so we're relying on two different teams to do us a favour in beating Watford? We have to want it in our hands as much as we can which means being able to catch West Ham with a win on the last day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2020, 08:28:44 PM
I sometimes feel like I'm going mad but why oh why do people want West Ham to win so we're relying on two different teams to do us a favour in beating Watford? We have to want it in our hands as much as we can which means being able to catch West Ham with a win on the last day.

As Watford as just as likely to get turned over against Man City and Arsenal and it makes West Ham safe come last day...bar a 10 goal swing.

We have to win our last 2. Just have to. But now West Ham have to win tomorrow. It would probably mean we're out the bottom 3 going into the last day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:31:50 PM
We really donít deserve to stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 16, 2020, 08:39:53 PM
I sometimes feel like I'm going mad but why oh why do people want West Ham to win so we're relying on two different teams to do us a favour in beating Watford? We have to want it in our hands as much as we can which means being able to catch West Ham with a win on the last day.

As Watford as just as likely to get turned over against Man City and Arsenal and it makes West Ham safe come last day...bar a 10 goal swing.

We have to win our last 2. Just have to. But now West Ham have to win tomorrow. It would probably mean we're out the bottom 3 going into the last day.

We'd need a six goal swing with Watford to go into last day out of bottom 3. Ultimately whatever happens tomorrow has its plus points but winning on the last day and still going down would be a choker.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2020, 08:41:24 PM
I sometimes feel like I'm going mad but why oh why do people want West Ham to win so we're relying on two different teams to do us a favour in beating Watford? We have to want it in our hands as much as we can which means being able to catch West Ham with a win on the last day.

As Watford as just as likely to get turned over against Man City and Arsenal and it makes West Ham safe come last day...bar a 10 goal swing.

We have to win our last 2. Just have to. But now West Ham have to win tomorrow. It would probably mean we're out the bottom 3 going into the last day.

We'd need a six goal swing with Watford to go into last day out of bottom 3. Ultimately whatever happens tomorrow has its plus points but winning on the last day and still going down would be a choker.

It would. Odd goal win against Arsenal and if they're losing 2 on the spin, including a game against Man City, that's a good possibility.

Who knows.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 16, 2020, 08:41:33 PM
We really donít deserve to stay up.

You always finish where you deserve.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 16, 2020, 08:42:46 PM
Not sure why everyone is so downbeat. Bournemouth lost yesterday so if Watford and West Ham don't draw tomorrow we will have gained a point on two of our three relegation rivals. At this rate we should be able to haul our way to safety in just four or five more games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2020, 08:43:22 PM
I'm not sure I could take a 1-0 win against Arsenal. I mean, obviously, win 1-0 Villa, but my ticker in those last minutes would be close to exploding. So please drill them 2 or 3 instead Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: IFWaters on July 16, 2020, 08:44:49 PM
bournemouth at home to southampton and away to everton. they could conceivably get 37 points
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 16, 2020, 08:46:23 PM
You'd think Southampton is the tricky one for them. Everton are absolutely toss, so don't bank on a result there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on July 16, 2020, 08:47:23 PM
You would hope that at some stage Everton might do ďsomethingĒ. On todayís basis, Ancelotti was no better than Smith.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 16, 2020, 08:50:01 PM
You would hope that at some stage Everton might do ďsomethingĒ. On todayís basis, Ancelotti was no better than Smith.

And yet he made the substitutions that changed the game?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 16, 2020, 08:51:52 PM
You would hope that at some stage Everton might do ďsomethingĒ. On todayís basis, Ancelotti was no better than Smith.

And yet he made the substitutions that changed the game?

To be fair, Smith could've made the substitution that won the game if El Ghazi wasn't so shit!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: IFWaters on July 16, 2020, 08:52:45 PM
brighton leading so could be safe tonight

west ham v watford friday
bournemouth v soton sunday
watford play man city on tuesday BEFORE we play arsenal

west ham play man u on wednesday

so basically we will know before we play on tuesday what we need to do to catch up with bouremouth and watford (or not)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 16, 2020, 08:54:31 PM
Bournemouth will beat Everton, 100%
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 16, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
So many worried about Watford and West Ham. I donít think weíll even finish above Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on July 16, 2020, 09:57:23 PM
2 wins it is then. Will 37 points be enough to keep Villa up?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 16, 2020, 10:11:16 PM
Yes. Nothing less than two wins now and hope itís enough
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 16, 2020, 10:15:04 PM
We certainly need a winner in tomorrow's game (would still prefer West Ham) now. Draw and we'd have to win the final two games.

A loser and that's a small chance 35 points could be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richie on July 16, 2020, 10:22:07 PM
We certainly need a winner in tomorrow's game (would still prefer West Ham) now. Draw and we'd have to win the final two games.

A loser and that's a small chance 35 points could be enough.

Agree that we need a winner tomorrow night but Iím not sure a West Ham win is best for us. If Watford beat them and then they lose at Old Trafford which you would expect, a point against Arsenal leaves it in our hands to finish above West Ham.

That said, I think Bournemouth are going to pick up points in the last 2.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 16, 2020, 10:29:29 PM
We certainly need a winner in tomorrow's game (would still prefer West Ham) now. Draw and we'd have to win the final two games.

A loser and that's a small chance 35 points could be enough.

Agree that we need a winner tomorrow night but Iím not sure a West Ham win is best for us. If Watford beat them and then they lose at Old Trafford which you would expect, a point against Arsenal leaves it in our hands to finish above West Ham.

That said, I think Bournemouth are going to pick up points in the last 2.

I think we've got far more chance of beating West Ham final day if they're already safe. Can see someone like Antonio running our defence ragged and they've got other decent players in final third so I'd rather they weren't bothered.

Certainly looking at Everton Bournemouth will have a big chance going there on the final day. Have to hope Southampton do the business at least at the weekend. 2 goal defeat and we'd go above them again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2020, 12:56:31 AM
Did Saints make many changes tonight against Brighton? Their second game in three days where again they dragged themselves up to earn a point. I imagine it took it out of them. Fully fit and rested, I'd back them to beat Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on July 17, 2020, 04:23:33 AM
I'm pretty much at peace with all this now and have been since we lost to Man Utd. We've not been good enough and I've really not enjoyed this season back in the PL once the new found novelty wore off.  I found myself far happier when we weren't playing and i'm not sure its supposed to work that way.  Obviously I really want us to stay up but if we don't we'll only have ourselves to blame. 

Thanks to Covid, I think next season will be a soulless experience whatever division we are in.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Big Ming on July 17, 2020, 09:11:30 AM
I gave this up some time ago, but got all excited yesterday evening for a while.

Stupid!

I suppose a big Wet Spam win tonight with them safe by the time we play them is pretty much the last straw to clutch.

Even then, we would have to beat the Arse and rely on Watford  to not  pick up any more points.

Is that right?

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy65 on July 17, 2020, 09:15:11 AM
I'm pretty much at peace with all this now and have been since we lost to Man Utd. We've not been good enough and I've really not enjoyed this season back in the PL once the new found novelty wore off.  I found myself far happier when we weren't playing and i'm not sure its supposed to work that way.  Obviously I really want us to stay up but if we don't we'll only have ourselves to blame. 

Thanks to Covid, I think next season will be a soulless experience whatever division we are in.

Pretty much my thoughts. I just want it to be all over now And I think it will be come Tuesday
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 09:31:05 AM
I gave this up some time ago, but got all excited yesterday evening for a while.

Stupid!

I suppose a big Wet Spam win tonight with them safe by the time we play them is pretty much the last straw to clutch.

Even then, we would have to beat the Arse and rely on Watford  to not  pick up any more points.

Is that right?



If we win them both the we need Watford to get no more than 3 points with a heavy defeat in there somewhere. Or to only pick up two points.

The big problem with that though is that we're not going to win both...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 17, 2020, 09:33:50 AM
So what do we need to happen:
- West Ham win v Watford
- Southampton win v Bournemouth
- Man City smash Watford
- We take something v Arsenal
- We beat West Ham who are safe and on the beach
- Arsenal beat Watford

Simple right ;-)

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2020, 09:38:27 AM
Thanks Vinnie, if that's the ideal scenario then that's what I'll be hoping for. I can't and won't watch the match later, partly because my nerves are shredded but mainly because Friday night is TOTP 1989 night and that doesn't change!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 17, 2020, 09:41:43 AM
Thanks Vinnie, if that's the ideal scenario then that's what I'll be hoping for. I can't and won't watch the match later, partly because my nerves are shredded but mainly because Friday night is TOTP 1989 night and that doesn't change!

The alternate is West Ham lose tonight and v Man United but would mean we then have to beat them final day.
Genuinely want them on the beach for final day, surely it gives us a better chance of 3 points than if they have something to play for themselves

These next few days are going to be painful
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on July 17, 2020, 10:03:32 AM
But surely it all depends on us beating Arsenal
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 17, 2020, 11:47:17 AM
But surely it all depends on us beating Arsenal

A draw might be enough if Watford pick up no more points. I think that's the theory. So long as we beat West Ham.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The_ads on July 17, 2020, 11:59:58 AM
I still think there could be a bizarre twist of fate that sees Villa, Watford and Bournemouth all on 34 points and all on the same -24 goal difference by game 38. That be fun. Sky would cream themselves
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 17, 2020, 12:06:11 PM
Thanks Vinnie, if that's the ideal scenario then that's what I'll be hoping for. I can't and won't watch the match later, partly because my nerves are shredded but mainly because Friday night is TOTP 1989 night and that doesn't change!

If thereís been one positive these last few months, itís been TOTP 89!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on July 17, 2020, 02:45:16 PM
I still think there could be a bizarre twist of fate that sees Villa, Watford and Bournemouth all on 34 points and all on the same -24 goal difference by game 38. That be fun. Sky would cream themselves

Fine by me, we'd finish 17 on goals scored (which is the next metric they use).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2020, 03:42:48 PM
Have any of you actually enjoyed this 'festival' of football?  Games on every night, other than having to watch Villa, of course!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: curiousorange on July 17, 2020, 03:54:14 PM
No, it's been horrible.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on July 17, 2020, 07:26:09 PM
Thanks Vinnie, if that's the ideal scenario then that's what I'll be hoping for. I can't and won't watch the match later, partly because my nerves are shredded but mainly because Friday night is TOTP 1989 night and that doesn't change!

If thereís been one positive these last few months, itís been TOTP 89!!

Hopefully Left To My Own Devices gets a look-in more than Danny Drinkwater has.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2020, 07:30:53 PM
Have any of you actually enjoyed this 'festival' of football?  Games on every night, other than having to watch Villa, of course!

I haven't watched many games apart from us. I've found it diverting in a good way having games on regularly to follow the stories. Shame about us really.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 17, 2020, 07:33:04 PM
For the umpteenth and last time. I want West Ham to lose tonight so we can catch them last day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Bournemouth will survive and Watford will be joining us and Norwich. Horrible, because the game tonight ends in a draw and leaves us absolutely needing to win both games. Much as I want it to happen, it won't.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 07:45:33 PM
Mon Watford.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sirlordbaltimore on July 17, 2020, 07:50:54 PM


Fuck that, i want West Ham to win 5-0

Watford's last two matches will be super hard for them so them getting no more points at all is what i'm praying for

The worst possible scenario is a draw of course
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 07:59:10 PM
We have to beat West Ham to have a realistic chance of survival. Why add an extra variable of having to rely on Arsenal against Watford?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2020, 08:01:07 PM
Can three of the sides above us not just go into administration or something?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy65 on July 17, 2020, 08:05:29 PM
I have a horrible feeling that Bournemouth will survive and Watford will be joining us and Norwich. Horrible, because the game tonight ends in a draw and leaves us absolutely needing to win both games. Much as I want it to happen, it won't.

If they do blame Kasper Schmichel
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 08:18:41 PM
Judging by the scoreline so far, I'd prefer we played a West Ham who are already on the beach last day of the season!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 08:23:50 PM
Can three of the sides above us not just go into administration or something?

We aren't as "spawny" as those twats down the road, so no.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on July 17, 2020, 08:30:56 PM
So.... I think this is right but someone correct me if my maths is crap :

If we draw with Arsenal and beat Wet Spam
and Watford carry on losing to Spam and lose to Man C (h) and Arsenal (A)
and Bournemouth get no more than 3 points from Southampton (h) and Everton (a)

Then I think we stay up

None of those are that unreasonable on their own, might be a miracle for ALL of them to happen......but stranger things, and that.

While there's a straw to clutch, I'm clutching it ....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 08:41:06 PM
Looking increasingly like it will be 3 from 4.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 08:42:45 PM
So what do we need to happen:
- West Ham win v Watford
- Southampton win v Bournemouth
- Man City smash Watford
- We take something v Arsenal
- We beat West Ham who are safe and on the beach
- Arsenal beat Watford

Simple right ;-)



Doddle. Might even go down to GD if Watford lose all 3 and we beat West Ham plus hope that Bournemouth slip up as well.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 08:44:08 PM
Tonight's game is looking good from a goal difference perspective!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2020, 08:58:17 PM
Right come on West Ham get a few more and then put your feet up for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TonyD on July 17, 2020, 08:59:03 PM
West Ham are now safe.  5.0 would be better. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 17, 2020, 09:11:04 PM
Of course Troy fucking Deeney scores ffs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 17, 2020, 09:16:08 PM
Bournemouth are the worry for me. Weíve been busy talking about West Ham and Watford, but Bournemouth are best placed to sneak out of it imo.
Iíd swap our two remaining fixtures with them in a heartbeat!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2020, 09:20:15 PM
Iíd say weíre the big worry. We need to win both games, which is a massive ask. If we donít do that the other teams are totally irrelevant.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 17, 2020, 09:22:23 PM
Other than Norwich, every other team seems to have much more fight than we do.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 17, 2020, 09:23:52 PM
Bournemouth are awful. Worse than us. The Leicester result was down to Leicester doing everything just legally short of literally chucking the ball in their own net 4 times.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 09:29:21 PM
Bournemouth really shouldn't be a worry on the basis they've lost 19 of their last 25 league games, picking up 15 points from a possible 75!

Leicester was an anomaly. I can't see them getting another point.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 17, 2020, 09:29:59 PM
Bournemouth are awful. Worse than us. The Leicester result was down to Leicester doing everything just legally short of literally chucking the ball in their own net 4 times.
Did they? Why?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bobby Boy on July 17, 2020, 09:37:56 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 17, 2020, 09:45:57 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 17, 2020, 09:48:04 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TonyD on July 17, 2020, 09:57:45 PM
But heíll start Samatta on Tues. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 17, 2020, 10:03:42 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.

He's played 498 minutes as a PL centre-forward. He has 0 goals, 0 assists. Amongst whatever attributes he might bring to the side, a goal threat isn't one of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2020, 10:05:48 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.

He's played 498 minutes as a PL centre-forward. He has 0 goals, 0 assists. Amongst whatever attributes he might bring to the side, a goal threat isn't one of them.
Agree but does not give the ball away like Samatta.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 10:10:21 PM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 17, 2020, 10:13:41 PM
Smith should see if he can pick a team that does not include Samatta AEG or Trez.
We need 11 who give a shit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2020, 10:19:14 PM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.

He's played 498 minutes as a PL centre-forward. He has 0 goals, 0 assists. Amongst whatever attributes he might bring to the side, a goal threat isn't one of them.
Agree but does not give the ball away like Samatta.

That is a low bar at the moment. The reality is Davis should not be anywhere near starting in the Premier League.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ian J on July 17, 2020, 10:19:46 PM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.
Have we ever had a situation where our centre halves pose a greater threat than our forwards. We all knew it when that window closed last year as well.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on July 17, 2020, 10:21:09 PM
A draw and a win may just be enough.

Reasons to be cheerful.

1. We play our penultimate game with Arsenal after Bournemouth and Watford.
2. West ham are now safe so it's not the winner takes all shoot out with them.

I know it's the hope that kills but we do still have hope.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Loxton01 on July 17, 2020, 10:24:14 PM
Our issue is we struggle to select a side without at least one of el ghazi trez or samatta

Trez tries very hard if he could morph into el ghazi body we might have a player

Davis starts for me he has more presence than Samatta. Samatta has had two games not got close to being a threat

I think McGinn pushes up as the nr 10.

Grealish needs to step up he has been crap for me since lockdown if he is as good as everyone makes out he should be doing more
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 10:25:42 PM
Point 2 is not yet mathematically accurate.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 17, 2020, 10:29:52 PM
We've got 4 midfielders with  28 goals between them. Even the likes of Luiz and Mcginn have hit the target more than Davis and Samatta, I have no problem with Davis starting in an attacking midfield role but up front? I know arsenal can be iffy, but him and Samatta wouldn't trouble Norwich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 17, 2020, 10:30:02 PM
Iíd say weíre the big worry. We need to win both games, which is a massive ask. If we donít do that the other teams are totally irrelevant.

4 points will be enough IF Watford lose their final two and Bournemouth only take 3 points from their final two games. It's hardly a 100/1 shot.

We will know what's required before start of Arsenal game given Bournemouth and Watford play before us.

Still a small possibility 34 points could be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2020, 10:33:24 PM
Expecting either of our strikers to actually score is now in the realm of fantasy. The question is: what else do they offer? Samatta offers nothing. Davis is a handful and gives the midfielders a chance to join attacks. It's an absent cerebellumer.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2020, 10:40:03 PM
I would play Samatta off the shoulder of Davis. Not as a second striker necessarily. We donít need a winger. Have Jack play around them with Targett, Elmo offering width.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2020, 10:42:43 PM
I would play Samatta off the shoulder of Davis. Not as a second striker necessarily. We donít need a winger. Have Jack play around them with Targett, Elmo offering width.

If we could come up with an attacking formation without including AEG or Trezeguet I'd be all for it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 10:45:19 PM
We could, but Smith won't. He has morphed into Eric Black.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2020, 10:48:19 PM
I would genuinely have Louie Barry or another young striker on the bench for Tuesday, and throw them on last 10 if we need something. The reason I say this is because I honestly think they couldnít do any worse than our current goal-shy options.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 17, 2020, 10:48:54 PM
Agreed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2020, 10:49:23 PM
We could, but Smith won't. He has morphed into Eric Black.

Alas we all know very well that he will play one or both of them next week.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 10:52:17 PM
I would genuinely have Louie Barry or another young striker on the bench for Tuesday, and throw them on last 10 if we need something. The reason I say this is because I honestly think they couldnít do any worse than our current goal-shy options.

So would I but he would and can not. The vast majority of the U23s have been sat at home for months. Only a few have been selected to train with the so-called first team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 17, 2020, 10:55:20 PM
Great so we are stuck with our two false number nines then. As Tony Butler used to say, itís time to get your prayer mats out...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 17, 2020, 10:57:13 PM
I would genuinely have Louie Barry or another young striker on the bench for Tuesday, and throw them on last 10 if we need something. The reason I say this is because I honestly think they couldnít do any worse than our current goal-shy options.

start them. what's the worse that can happen? They're shit up front like Samatta and Davis? What have we lost? We've carried the strikers since we've come back.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 11:10:32 PM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.

I'm pretty confident that for as long as I live I'll never see an Aston Villa striker worse than Jordan Bowery...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dl9 on July 17, 2020, 11:12:28 PM
I would genuinely have Louie Barry or another young striker on the bench for Tuesday, and throw them on last 10 if we need something. The reason I say this is because I honestly think they couldnít do any worse than our current goal-shy options.

100% agree
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 11:12:35 PM
He and Marlon F Harewood look like Shearer and Lineker in comparison with S&D.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2020, 11:42:39 PM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.

I'm pretty confident that for as long as I live I'll never see an Aston Villa striker worse than Jordan Bowery...

He cost peanuts from the lower divisions though.  Samatta is nearly as bad and was supposed to be our January salvation.  He's been pitiful.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 17, 2020, 11:47:16 PM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.

I'm pretty confident that for as long as I live I'll never see an Aston Villa striker worse than Jordan Bowery...

He cost peanuts from the lower divisions though.  Samatta is nearly as bad and was supposed to be our January salvation.  He's been pitiful.

Samatta has been banging them in in the Belgian top flight for the past four seasons so there's obviously a player there.

Jordan Bowery spent the same time flitting between Leyton Orient, Crewe Alex and MK Don's...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2020, 11:51:35 PM
I would genuinely have Louie Barry or another young striker on the bench for Tuesday, and throw them on last 10 if we need something. The reason I say this is because I honestly think they couldnít do any worse than our current goal-shy options.

Well thatís kind of it. How much worse can he possibly be?!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 11:54:35 PM
Don't really mind signing players like Bowery, tbh. They probably won't come off, but if they do, the profit margin is huge and if they don't, you've not really lost much.

If you can get one Platt or Yorke type peanuts signing to come good every few years then you've done well. The odd Teale or Delaney will do, come to think of it.

The problem with Bowery is that we were so lacking other options he kept getting in the team, or at least on the bench, when he should have been nowhere near. That's just symptomatic of our general malaise since 2010, not his fault.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 17, 2020, 11:57:05 PM
Borja Baston.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 17, 2020, 11:59:26 PM
I genuinely can't remember him touching the ball.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2020, 12:05:26 AM
No idea what's happened to Samatta, he looked o.k in the games he played in February. Would love to know what sort of training regime he was on in lockdown as he's looked way out of things since the restart.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 18, 2020, 12:29:20 AM
After his goal at Wembley , I thought ď heíll score a few to keep us up, like Allback did

Since the restart, I think this is how Souness must have thought with George Weahís ď cousin ď who he gave 10 mins for Southamption,before realising he couldnít actually play.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 18, 2020, 01:27:33 AM
I genuinely can't remember him touching the ball.

Seem to remember him colliding with one of his own players going for the same ball in the lead up to Son's winner at VP.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Matt C on July 18, 2020, 02:34:10 AM
The enforced break seemed to have a positive effect on a couple (Luiz, Konsa have come back better I think) but with Samatta I wonder what effect it had on him been isolated after just moving to a new country in the middle of a season. Either way heís looked absolutely miles off the pace.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 18, 2020, 04:19:20 AM
Our current two first-choice strikers are amongst the worst I think I have ever seen. Davis is destined never to score and Samatta is a shadow of his pre-lockdown self.

I'm pretty confident that for as long as I live I'll never see an Aston Villa striker worse than Jordan Bowery...

He cost peanuts from the lower divisions though.  Samatta is nearly as bad and was supposed to be our January salvation.  He's been pitiful.

I would say itís less about him and more about the horrendous tactics and service heís received. Aguero would be shit in our side. Samatta has a more than excellent track record as a professional. Weíve blunted his edge.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on July 18, 2020, 04:32:02 AM
He's had two or three decent header chances and not got near the goal, i'm not going to be too hard on him look at the improvement in Luiz, it's hard to come in to a team half way through a season in a strange environment, be locked down, then be expected to perform at your top.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2020, 06:00:04 AM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.

He's played 498 minutes as a PL centre-forward. He has 0 goals, 0 assists. Amongst whatever attributes he might bring to the side, a goal threat isn't one of them.
Agree but does not give the ball away like Samatta.

That is a low bar at the moment. The reality is Davis should not be anywhere near starting in the Premier League.
along with Trez Samatta AEG and Hourihane.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on July 18, 2020, 08:27:19 AM
Yet if we do go down four of our players will sell for a combined £125-£150m... add heaton to the core of players and its bonkers we are now likely to drop.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brian green on July 18, 2020, 08:29:03 AM
Like all of us I am hoping for the best that we survive in the Premiership.  Preparing for the worst I am approaching the months ahead like Bobby Ewing's time in the shower.  This awful season has had an appropriately awful Covid mangled, unreal conclusion.  If we go down I shall of course go to Chumps League games but my personal reality will only kick in when we get back to the Premier League and I can erase from my memory everything that has happened between our Wembley play off joy and the end of this excruciatingly horrible time to be a Villa fan.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2020, 08:35:03 AM
If we play with intensity and fire we can beat Arsenal. 2 up front. Put Luiz under the spotlight. That can happen.

However Dean won't do that. Sit back, show respect and we'll lose.

Which two, the two that we've needed to show some gumption but still can't muster a solitary goal between them to save our lives, those two?

Davis played very well yesterday.

He's played 498 minutes as a PL centre-forward. He has 0 goals, 0 assists. Amongst whatever attributes he might bring to the side, a goal threat isn't one of them.
Agree but does not give the ball away like Samatta.

That is a low bar at the moment. The reality is Davis should not be anywhere near starting in the Premier League.
along with Trez Samatta AEG and Hourihane.

Hourihane can obviously be hologram, but he's been good in the last two games to his credit and he's one of the players that at least gives a shit.
The midfield has actually looked well balanced in the last couple of games.
Davies never looks like scoring, but he can bully a centre back and David Luiz can be bullied, so I'd play him against Arsenal. Samatta looked decent before lockdown, he's just woefully off form.
It's down to 3 teams now and although Watford are in pole position points wise, with their fixtures they'll be looking at us and Bournemouth anxiously.
Thursday was a sickened but we've got 4 points from 2 games and the same again might be enough
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2020, 08:58:13 AM
Iíve woken up this morning with an irrational feeling that weíre going to do it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 18, 2020, 09:01:37 AM
No idea what's happened to Samatta, he looked o.k in the games he played in February. Would love to know what sort of training regime he was on in lockdown as he's looked way out of things since the restart.
The thing is with Samatta is you can't accuse him of squandering chances. Have we seen him on the ball in a dangerous position in their area too often? Can't think of many. He had a header the other night that he should have done better with but I honestly think he's living off scraps. Same for Wesley same for Davis. We dominate games and kinda look threatening without carving out many actual chances for the strikers. Both him and Davis cover a lot of ground but most of it is wasted effort. I guess what I'm saying is we need a better game plan that gets our strikers on the ball and in dangerous positions. Too often we rely on wingers/wingbacks swinging in crosses from deep while praying for something to happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: andyh on July 18, 2020, 09:03:21 AM
Letís inject some positivity.
This weeks scores.

Bournemouth 1 Southampton 1
Watford 0 Man City 3
Villa 1 Arsenal 0

We climb out of the bottom 3 and head into Ďshowdown Sundayí as I am declaring it and sky will no doubt pinch.

Not beyond the realms of possibility?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2020, 09:06:17 AM
The enforced break seemed to have a positive effect on a couple (Luiz, Konsa have come back better I think) but with Samatta I wonder what effect it had on him been isolated after just moving to a new country in the middle of a season. Either way heís looked absolutely miles off the pace.

Yes thatís a good shout actually. Could be a factor. I refuse to believe heís as bad as heís looked since he came back.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 18, 2020, 09:15:11 AM
Letís inject some positivity.
This weeks scores.

Bournemouth 1 Southampton 1
Watford 0 Man City 3
Villa 1 Arsenal 0

We climb out of the bottom 3 and head into Ďshowdown Sundayí as I am declaring it and sky will no doubt pinch.

Not beyond the realms of possibility?
Nice. Might have a little acca on that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on July 18, 2020, 10:07:42 AM
I donít want to be the doom monger but had we taken all 3 at Everton I would still have hope. Left it too late to change our fate. Hope Iím wrong but time will tell
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 18, 2020, 10:44:14 AM
Yet if we do go down four of our players will sell for a combined £125-£150m... add heaton to the core of players and its bonkers we are now likely to drop.

A better management team would have found a way to have us on 40 points by now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 18, 2020, 10:50:06 AM
I donít want to be the doom monger but had we taken all 3 at Everton I would still have hope. Left it too late to change our fate. Hope Iím wrong but time will tell

Had we taken all three I would back us to get out of it. As things stand it is very difficult but still do-able. It's basically the story of our season- leaving ourselves no cushion.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 18, 2020, 11:04:13 AM
There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2020, 11:06:10 AM
There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!

That's fresh in everybody's mind, but we've had numerous such incidents all season, which have all accumulated to where we are now, ie going down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 18, 2020, 11:08:12 AM
There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!
As do the two games against mighty Bournemouth - in particular the home defeat ......shocking results and performances
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2020, 12:08:08 PM
Like all of us I am hoping for the best that we survive in the Premiership.  Preparing for the worst I am approaching the months ahead like Bobby Ewing's time in the shower.  This awful season has had an appropriately awful Covid mangled, unreal conclusion.  If we go down I shall of course go to Chumps League games but my personal reality will only kick in when we get back to the Premier League and I can erase from my memory everything that has happened between our Wembley play off joy and the end of this excruciatingly horrible time to be a Villa fan.

I'm not sure about excruciatingly horrible. It's been disappointingly poor but nowhere near as bad as the season we went down not long back, we were an absolute mess. If worst comes to the worst, I think we might be in a better place to deal with it this time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 18, 2020, 12:16:39 PM
I was just having a look at the list of our league finishes and even if we win our last two games this will be our worst points total in the Premier League, apart from 2015-16.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 18, 2020, 12:17:14 PM
Sorry Clampy but that is nonsense. We spent £140m in the summer, record season tickets, a positive story and everything in place. This is far more depressing.

Last time we were like a sick horse, on it's last legs, that needed to be put out of its misery. This one is far tougher to take.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 18, 2020, 01:29:36 PM

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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brian green on July 18, 2020, 01:47:49 PM
Clampy, it is excruciatingly horrible to me because I am running out if seasons to watch them.  If you think there was something good about this season so far I am not at all surprised.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 18, 2020, 01:53:29 PM
There's been plenty of shit this season but there's also been good moments. Not enough of the good but saying there's been nothing is wrong unless no one enjoyed watching Jack earlier in the season, sticking 5 past Norwich, Everton at home, the Leicester semi, the Watford winner to name a few.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 18, 2020, 01:57:53 PM
And whilst it's clear this lot haven't been good enough to keep us up its night and day to the last time we got relegated.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 02:02:50 PM
Day/night whatever, we're just comparing one shade of shite to another - if we go down it will be a disaster of a season. I'm sure the people who deal with finances at the club would agree.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 18, 2020, 02:06:11 PM
I donít  feel any different about this relegation than I did the last one, this one is in some ways worse because it should not be happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 18, 2020, 02:06:56 PM
I don't think you can compare this season to last time. Yes we've been abysmal at times and players have  largely underperformed, but even the worse suspects you cant really accuse of not trying. I know its a cliche with any team that does bad, but last time the manager hadn't just lost the dressing room, he'd thrown it off the end of the pier. Even without the cliques in the squad in 2015-16, certain players had looked at their contracts, and their career paths and decided going down wasn't exactly the end of the world. And you also had the likes of gabby and Grealish who clearly couldn't stand the manager or/and his tactics. If this season has been like a constant toothache, that one was like daily root canal surgery.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 02:08:29 PM
I feel more depressed this time around than last time. Last time, as has been said, felt like a mercy killing. It always seemed like we were going to get relegated sooner or later so might as well get it over with. Plus we were so far adrift that the individual results ceased being important. Hammerings were greeted by gallows humour, last minute defeats by a shrug of the shoulders. And we didn't really know what the Championship was like, maybe it would be fun?

This time, after the excitement of last season, you felt like it could be the start of something special and the years of suffering could be coming to an end. Every hammering has been soul-destroying and every last minute loss has been a massive kick in the bollocks. Knowing it is coming doesn't make it any less painful. It also just feels like last year was for nothing, and I can no longer look back on those games with the enjoyment I used to get every time they repeated the playoff final on telly.

Conversely, I do believe we will be in much better shape to go back up this time, so this relegation could be much less damaging than the last one. But it feels much worse.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2020, 02:08:52 PM
Clampy, it is excruciatingly horrible to me because I am running out if seasons to watch them.  If you think there was something good about this season so far I am not at all surprised.

I didn't say there was anything good,  so you have nothing to be surprised about. I'm just suggesting for me it isn't as bad as last time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2020, 02:16:26 PM
There's been plenty of shit this season but there's also been good moments. Not enough of the good but saying there's been nothing is wrong unless no one enjoyed watching Jack earlier in the season, sticking 5 past Norwich, Everton at home, the Leicester semi, the Watford winner to name a few.

Yes, it's not been all bad.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 18, 2020, 02:39:10 PM
There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!
As do the two games against mighty Bournemouth - in particular the home defeat ......shocking results and performances
I'm not sure if I agree with that. At home we went 2 down early doors thanks to blunders from 2 new signings. Heaton (pen) Luiz (ballwatching) After that we laid siege to their goal but could only find the net once. Away we gave as good as we got but again individual errors cost us. And we were denied a great shout for a pen when their keeper punched Engels right in the bracket from a corner! Poor results but not shocking results and performances by a long shot.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 18, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
I can forgive the home Bournemouth defeat as we were still finding our feet and did, at least, give it a bit of a go after a disastrous start.

The away games at Watford, Bournemouth and Southampton were the most unforgivable, for me. All massive games against teams that were relegation rivals and we just vanished. In terms of our capacity for being massive, bottling, fannies, not even getting a draw against ten man Arsenal having had the lead twice was just pathetic.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 18, 2020, 03:21:30 PM
There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!
As do the two games against mighty Bournemouth - in particular the home defeat ......shocking results and performances
I'm not sure if I agree with that. At home we went 2 down early doors thanks to blunders from 2 new signings. Heaton (pen) Luiz (ballwatching) After that we laid siege to their goal but could only find the net once. Away we gave as good as we got but again individual errors cost us. And we were denied a great shout for a pen when their keeper punched Engels right in the bracket from a corner! Poor results but not shocking results and performances by a long shot.
No worries The Edge - its all about opinions :)
Maybe I expect too much Ö to me losing at home and away to Bournemouth constitutes "a shocking result" primarily as they are the level of opposition we should be expected to beat - I agree you cant compensate for individual errors  - its just so frustrating and disappointing that we cant beat a relegation rival - we can all look at "what if " scenarios in numerous games, however when you take these two particular games into consideration it just shows how thin the dividing line is between success and failure - we would have been better off drawing both games :(
Cheers and UTV - regards VCTM   
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 18, 2020, 03:55:17 PM
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There's no real point in saying this, but I'm going to say it anyway - the more you look at the league table this morning the significance of that goal conceded at Everton just grows and grows.  I really must stop looking at it and go out and do something more purposeful!
As do the two games against mighty Bournemouth - in particular the home defeat ......shocking results and performances
I'm not sure if I agree with that. At home we went 2 down early doors thanks to blunders from 2 new signings. Heaton (pen) Luiz (ballwatching) After that we laid siege to their goal but could only find the net once. Away we gave as good as we got but again individual errors cost us. And we were denied a great shout for a pen when their keeper punched Engels right in the bracket from a corner! Poor results but not shocking results and performances by a long shot.
No worries The Edge - its all about opinions :)
Maybe I expect too much Ö to me losing at home and away to Bournemouth constitutes "a shocking result" primarily as they are the level of opposition we should be expected to beat - I agree you cant compensate for individual errors  - its just so frustrating and disappointing that we cant beat a relegation rival - we can all look at "what if " scenarios in numerous games, however when you take these two particular games into consideration it just shows how thin the dividing line is between success and failure - we would have been better off drawing both games :(
Cheers and UTV - regards VCTM
Yeah I know mate it's been such a frustrating season. We're all feeling it. It's all about fine margins in the PL. The slightest error or lack of concentration and you get punished. I'm an optimist and whatever happens this season I'm confident that we have a bright future at B6.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 18, 2020, 04:11:01 PM
We might as well start every away game 1-0 down
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 18, 2020, 05:12:21 PM
I feel more depressed this time around than last time. Last time, as has been said, felt like a mercy killing. It always seemed like we were going to get relegated sooner or later so might as well get it over with. Plus we were so far adrift that the individual results ceased being important. Hammerings were greeted by gallows humour, last minute defeats by a shrug of the shoulders. And we didn't really know what the Championship was like, maybe it would be fun?

This time, after the excitement of last season, you felt like it could be the start of something special and the years of suffering could be coming to an end. Every hammering has been soul-destroying and every last minute loss has been a massive kick in the bollocks. Knowing it is coming doesn't make it any less painful. It also just feels like last year was for nothing, and I can no longer look back on those games with the enjoyment I used to get every time they repeated the playoff final on telly.

Conversely, I do believe we will be in much better shape to go back up this time, so this relegation could be much less damaging than the last one. But it feels much worse.
I read on here somewhere - someone said something like "the last relegation was execution style - this one is death by a thousand cuts"
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2020, 05:15:46 PM
I can forgive the home Bournemouth defeat as we were still finding our feet and did, at least, give it a bit of a go after a disastrous start.

The away games at Watford, Bournemouth and Southampton were the most unforgivable, for me. All massive games against teams that were relegation rivals and we just vanished. In terms of our capacity for being massive, bottling, fannies, not even getting a draw against ten man Arsenal having had the lead twice was just pathetic.

Agree about Watford, Bournemouth and Southampton no shows, add to that Sheffield Utd, good side but they never had to break a sweat. Think we were robbed at Arsenal though, there was a blatant handball that you wouldnít even need VAR to view, after hourihane had a shot towards the end, ref it blew it away VAR didnít even look. Might not have scored the penalty but might have and that point could make the difference
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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on July 18, 2020, 05:34:56 PM

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Watching that again was useful:
- we WERE good going forward, despite Trez' inability to hit a decent shot
- Mings was awful for the 2nd Arse goal
- Engels was a liability! Two goals down to his poor defending
- the handball at the end was a disgrace from that wanker Moss

We played decent football but our defending really was comedy gold.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 18, 2020, 05:46:13 PM

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Watching that again was useful:
- we WERE good going forward, despite Trez' inability to hit a decent shot
- Mings was awful for the 2nd Arse goal
- Engels was a liability! Two goals down to his poor defending
- the handball at the end was a disgrace from that wanker Moss

We played decent football but our defending really was comedy gold.
I know I sought out the handball and ended up watching the whole thing, what was Mings doing with that header!! We go down no doubt heíll go but he really needs to stay and improve, whatever league weíre in. Engels not good enough and doubt weíll see him again, something really strange with him being completely missing for big parts of the season. It is clear though that smith did want to attack this league, a real shame that we just couldnít of drawn that, beat Burnley and West Ham at home instead of drawing when we largely dominated, 5 points better off and on the beach. Instead smith losing his confidence and way and the playerís the same.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2020, 10:18:13 PM
Arsenal game was more horrible game management I'm afraid. I  remember in that game Arsenal were barely doing anything and then Emery made a double change around 60 minutes, DS did nothing.

Guendozhi came on and gave Arsenal the energy they needed in CM to make up for the lost man and we did nothing. He got a cheap penalty and his presence also caused other chances.

Should've put on another midfielder at 2-1 up to counter this but just looking at the line ups and Luiz wasn't in the 18 for some reason despite being on the bench for the West Ham game six days previously.

Sadly DS has not improved at that side of the game at all during the season even now when we can use 5 subs.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: walsall villain on July 18, 2020, 10:23:36 PM
Arsenal game was more horrible game management I'm afraid. I  remember in that game Arsenal were barely doing anything and then Emery made a double change around 60 minutes, DS did nothing.

Guendozhi came on and gave Arsenal the energy they needed in CM to make up for the lost man and we did nothing. He got a cheap penalty and his presence also caused other chances.

Should've put on another midfielder at 2-1 up to counter this but just looking at the line ups and Luiz wasn't in the 18 for some reason despite being on the bench for the West Ham game six days previously.

Sadly DS has not improved at that side of the game at all during the season even now when we can use 5 subs.
Negative view I know but I canít see how we could use 5 subs to our advantage at the moment. Itís not helping the likes of us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on July 18, 2020, 10:25:21 PM
Bring 5 on but only take 3 off and hope nobody notices?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: walsall villain on July 18, 2020, 10:39:45 PM
Bring 5 on but only take 3 off and hope nobody notices?
Now Iím in favour
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2020, 10:41:57 PM
Arsenal game was more horrible game management I'm afraid. I  remember in that game Arsenal were barely doing anything and then Emery made a double change around 60 minutes, DS did nothing.

Guendozhi came on and gave Arsenal the energy they needed in CM to make up for the lost man and we did nothing. He got a cheap penalty and his presence also caused other chances.

Should've put on another midfielder at 2-1 up to counter this but just looking at the line ups and Luiz wasn't in the 18 for some reason despite being on the bench for the West Ham game six days previously.

Sadly DS has not improved at that side of the game at all during the season even now when we can use 5 subs.
Negative view I know but I canít see how we could use 5 subs to our advantage at the moment. Itís not helping the likes of us.

Even if you don't rate the players you can spend the last 5 minutes just bringing three on every other minute to disrupt the game, we really should've done this at Everton to slow things down especially after that sitter Calvert Lewin missed just before the goal.

Fresh legs might've also stopped the cross coming in given Hourihane's very half hearted effort at blocking it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: walsall villain on July 18, 2020, 10:53:04 PM
Arsenal game was more horrible game management I'm afraid. I  remember in that game Arsenal were barely doing anything and then Emery made a double change around 60 minutes, DS did nothing.

Guendozhi came on and gave Arsenal the energy they needed in CM to make up for the lost man and we did nothing. He got a cheap penalty and his presence also caused other chances.

Should've put on another midfielder at 2-1 up to counter this but just looking at the line ups and Luiz wasn't in the 18 for some reason despite being on the bench for the West Ham game six days previously.

Sadly DS has not improved at that side of the game at all during the season even now when we can use 5 subs.
Negative view I know but I canít see how we could use 5 subs to our advantage at the moment. Itís not helping the likes of us.

Even if you don't rate the players you can spend the last 5 minutes just bringing three on every other minute to disrupt the game, we really should've done this at Everton to slow things down especially after that sitter Calvert Lewin missed just before the goal.

Fresh legs might've also stopped the cross coming in given Hourihane's very half hearted effort at blocking it.
We had made one double sub I think so yes we had two more opportunities for Everton but Iím worried about how our five subs compare to everbody elseís at this level.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on July 18, 2020, 11:14:35 PM
That Arsenal result has made me think we haven't a hope in hell of beating them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 18, 2020, 11:17:47 PM
Hoping that Man City hump Watford and if we do lose, it is only by the odd goal.

At least meaning we have a chance of staying up on the last week.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 18, 2020, 11:53:45 PM
Arsenal are likely to field a second string team for their final league game, against Watford.  Hopefully, the rest a fair few of their players against us on Tuesday given it's only a three day turnaround.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ktvillan on July 19, 2020, 12:22:59 AM

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Watching that again was useful:
- we WERE good going forward, despite Trez' inability to hit a decent shot
- Mings was awful for the 2nd Arse goal
- Engels was a liability! Two goals down to his poor defending
- the handball at the end was a disgrace from that wanker Moss

We played decent football but our defending really was comedy gold.
I know I sought out the handball and ended up watching the whole thing, what was Mings doing with that header!! We go down no doubt heíll go but he really needs to stay and improve, whatever league weíre in. Engels not good enough and doubt weíll see him again, something really strange with him being completely missing for big parts of the season. It is clear though that smith did want to attack this league, a real shame that we just couldnít of drawn that, beat Burnley and West Ham at home instead of drawing when we largely dominated, 5 points better off and on the beach. Instead smith losing his confidence and way and the playerís the same.

With that typically powderpuff Trezeguet shot and appalling defending we probably got what we deserved in one sense - nevertheless that penalty decision alone is sufficient reason to completely do away with VAR and to send Jon Moss to the Knackers yard for the visually challenged.  If that Palace goal was deemed handball, if Mings shoulder at Leicester was deemed handball,  I've no fragment of an idea how that Arsenal player's deliberate movement of the arm to the ball wasn't. Scandalous.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on July 19, 2020, 12:32:21 AM
It was 100% a handball with current rules but should never have got to that , the loss was down to our own implosion both CB's cost us that game. Engles dear god with that and the Spurs game at home is alone responsible for 4 goals. The Mings error though is a simple head out for a corner or as far as you can , a cushion header in that position wtf was he thinking.

Whilst scoring more goals would help us the far bigger issue all season has been the defending be it individual errors or tactics it been shocking.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Matt C on July 19, 2020, 01:14:19 AM
Good result for us today, Arsenal will have expended their energy on that performance leaving then ripe for turning over when we play them next. Probably.

Want one of these straws Iím clutching?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bermuda Villa on July 19, 2020, 01:37:24 AM
It was 100% a handball with current rules but should never have got to that , the loss was down to our own implosion both CB's cost us that game. Engles dear god with that and the Spurs game at home is alone responsible for 4 goals. The Mings error though is a simple head out for a corner or as far as you can , a cushion header in that position wtf was he thinking.

Whilst scoring more goals would help us the far bigger issue all season has been the defending be it individual errors or tactics it been shocking.

Also the free kick should have been ruled out because 21 (Holding was it) was interfering in our wall which is not allowed under the new rules but that game sums up Smiths lack of tactical reaction during a game. Guendouzi came on and we made him look like Messi he was consistently running with the ball 20 or 30 yards and Smith did nothing to stiffen the centre of our midfield, that game rankles the most with me as we should have won and the confidence we would have gained was immeasurable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 19, 2020, 11:33:47 AM
It was 100% a handball with current rules but should never have got to that , the loss was down to our own implosion both CB's cost us that game. Engles dear god with that and the Spurs game at home is alone responsible for 4 goals. The Mings error though is a simple head out for a corner or as far as you can , a cushion header in that position wtf was he thinking.

Whilst scoring more goals would help us the far bigger issue all season has been the defending be it individual errors or tactics it been shocking.

Also the free kick should have been ruled out because 21 (Holding was it) was interfering in our wall which is not allowed under the new rules but that game sums up Smiths lack of tactical reaction during a game. Guendouzi came on and we made him look like Messi he was consistently running with the ball 20 or 30 yards and Smith did nothing to stiffen the centre of our midfield, that game rankles the most with me as we should have won and the confidence we would have gained was immeasurable.
Another game where the ref screwed us over. But equally another game where we shot ourselves in the foot. Letting Guendouzi come on and run the show unchallenged and Mings powderpuff header were the two main things that caused our undoing. I can forgive such things in isolation but we have not learned from those early mistakes. We conceded a very preventable goal against Everton which fully highlights this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 19, 2020, 11:51:39 AM
Good result for us today, Arsenal will have expended their energy on that performance leaving then ripe for turning over when we play them next. Probably.

Want one of these straws Iím clutching?

And perhaps Man City were saving themselves for the Watford game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on July 19, 2020, 11:57:18 AM
It was 100% a handball with current rules but should never have got to that , the loss was down to our own implosion both CB's cost us that game. Engles dear god with that and the Spurs game at home is alone responsible for 4 goals. The Mings error though is a simple head out for a corner or as far as you can , a cushion header in that position wtf was he thinking.

Whilst scoring more goals would help us the far bigger issue all season has been the defending be it individual errors or tactics it been shocking.

Also the free kick should have been ruled out because 21 (Holding was it) was interfering in our wall which is not allowed under the new rules but that game sums up Smiths lack of tactical reaction during a game. Guendouzi came on and we made him look like Messi he was consistently running with the ball 20 or 30 yards and Smith did nothing to stiffen the centre of our midfield, that game rankles the most with me as we should have won and the confidence we would have gained was immeasurable.
Another game where the ref screwed us over. But equally another game where we shot ourselves in the foot. Letting Guendouzi come on and run the show unchallenged and Mings powderpuff header were the two main things that caused our undoing. I can forgive such things in isolation but we have not learned from those early mistakes. We conceded a very preventable goal against Everton which fully highlights this.

Guendouzi was a big factor , play that game now and Luiz would have stopped him but even then they had a player less how we didn't double up on him at least was pretty poor.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2020, 12:25:07 PM
There was a shot of Smith in the technical zone looking absolutely clueless.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on July 19, 2020, 02:12:33 PM
Hoping that Man City hump Watford and if we do lose, it is only by the odd goal.

At least meaning we have a chance of staying up on the last week.

Donít we need more than 4 points though?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2020, 02:26:11 PM
Thereís a rumour that Watford may be about to can Pearson.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DB on July 19, 2020, 02:29:24 PM
I have read he has gone. WTF!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2020, 02:35:16 PM
Percy confirming it

https://twitter.com/jpercytelegraph/status/1284843654243397632?s=21
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 19, 2020, 02:37:18 PM
It's true. John Percy confirmed.

Nigel Pearson and Craig Shakespeare have been sacked by Watford. Given the news by technical director Filippo Giraldi earlier today. Pearson has never been relegated, and would probably have maintained that record. Very odd
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 02:37:50 PM
Hope it backfires on them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DB on July 19, 2020, 02:40:02 PM
I can't see how it would benefit them unless there has been some serious player unrest.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 19, 2020, 02:40:13 PM
Is there time to get him in at Bodymoor Heath?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 19, 2020, 02:40:34 PM
Itís madness. They are still very much in the drivers seat. I imagine they would have lost anyway to Man City but they had FA Cup finalists Arsenal on the last day. A great chance to win and stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 19, 2020, 02:41:27 PM
Ings scores!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 02:42:26 PM
Good lad. Keep it up Saints.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DB on July 19, 2020, 02:46:51 PM
Pearson is a bit of a cockwomble. May have been a falling out between him and the board.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Flamingo Lane on July 19, 2020, 02:53:01 PM
Sounds like Deeney might be in charge for the last 2 games, if Pearson had become so unpopular with the players this could give them a boost.  I could see and still can see Watford beating Man City, who look really flaky.

Nothing about Pearson on the BBC website, mind.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on July 19, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
Considering they didn't win a league game until November and yet are in the driver's seat to stay up, that is nearly as insane as Pearson is.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2020, 03:19:02 PM
His record with Watford is quite good for a side taken over when they were bottom.  Won 7 and lost 9.  He is a strange fish is Pearson but that is a bit of a shock.  Watford panicking perhaps.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 03:22:07 PM
Considering they didn't win a league game until November and yet are in the driver's seat to stay up, that is nearly as insane as Pearson is.

Yeah very odd. A win probably saves them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2020, 03:55:36 PM
Up to 18th!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 03:58:15 PM
Thatís Bournemouth done. We need to win our two games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2020, 03:58:36 PM
We've been given yet another life.

4 points and I'd be very confident we'd stay up. Probably won't be good enough to do that but survival is there if the team really really want it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2020, 04:06:28 PM
Really need Watford to get to get tonked and us to win.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2020, 04:10:03 PM
For all the dismay after Everton me included, that point could yet be vital. Even in Bournemouth beat Everton I they are done. Itís us and Watford. The reaction of their players against Man City will be interesting as will Man Cityís after two dodgy performances. Unless Watford pull something out the bag, this is going to the last game of the season for me, whatever happens against Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2020, 04:15:37 PM
I think it's pretty certain to go to last day now.

We just need to avoid scenario where we lose by 2 or 3 v Arsenal as then we might have to overturn 5-6 GD on final day (if say Watford only lose 2-0 to Man. City) which would be a very remote prospect of survival.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: gpbarr on July 19, 2020, 04:16:03 PM
Incredible.

Permutations just got a lot cleaner.

Hereís my take:

Watford will struggle to get a point from there last two games, clearly in disarray and not very good either. Yes City and Arse will be on the beach but Iíd still bet against Watford. Letís be generous and say they end the season on 35 points with a GD of -26.

Bournemouth just bottled it. I think they will draw against Everton but even if they win, then end on 37 and a GD of say -25.

So if we win both, we survive.
If we get 4 points, we need to improve our GD by 2 to survive
If we get 3 points we can still survive if Watford lose both (probable) and Bournemouth donít win against Everton.

What a chance!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 04:16:51 PM
That's the sort of attitude I expect us to have and it would be a disastrous mindset. We have to be looking to beat Arsenal, regardless of what happens at Vicarage Road beforehand.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on July 19, 2020, 04:17:03 PM
If we donít grasp this opportunity then we fully deserve to go down. No excuses now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john2710 on July 19, 2020, 04:18:09 PM
We've been given another lifeline. We'll know the Watford vs Man City result before we play Arsenal. It could be that a win takes us out of the bottom 3 & back in control.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on July 19, 2020, 04:22:33 PM
What we want is a massive reaction from city against Watford and Arsenal to go back to their Brighton level of performance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ktvillan on July 19, 2020, 04:31:22 PM
If we'd just held out or AEG had converted the sitter at Everton we'd have a very decent chance of staying up.  As it is there's a slim chance but we'll need a hell of a lot more luck than we've had for most of this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on July 19, 2020, 04:48:01 PM
What we want is a massive reaction from city against Watford and Arsenal to go back to their Brighton level of performance.

I just wonder of Arsenal might make a few changes? Iíll clutch at any available straw.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 19, 2020, 04:52:36 PM
What we want is a massive reaction from city against Watford and Arsenal to go back to their Brighton level of performance.

I just wonder of Arsenal might make a few changes? Iíll clutch at any available straw.

They beat Liverpool with likes of Reiss Nelson starting.

They've only won 3-4 games away all season so it's easier to get a result v them on your home patch than at Emirates where we obviously should've got at least a draw but for some rank bad decisions and poor game management.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on July 19, 2020, 05:15:01 PM
Talking about home and away performance is a bit of a red herring, isn't it? - without a crowd the home-performance record since the start of this mini-league has softened generally.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2020, 05:16:47 PM
Arsenal are the mother of all wildcards. Having spent most of the season chucking points at bottom half teams (except us) they are now the form team.

The cup is double edged. On the one hand, a bounce from beating city, on the other defending with 10% possession must surely have knackered a few of them, and we can hope theyĎll be disinterested in remaining league games. But then thereís Watford.

Bottom line is that there are plenty of reasons to bring the game to them and aim for 3 points, so we should. If we donít go for it we will regret it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mr underhill on July 19, 2020, 05:40:51 PM
The sacking of Nige could be a super astute move from Watford - if Deeney's leading the vanguard there's a real danger of them picking up points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2020, 05:44:06 PM
Even during this restart there have been so many missed opportunities.

AEG's last week the most recent one. But our performance and attitude in the games against Sheff U and Newcastle was off, when good results there could have set us up nicely.  Then we've done the typical Villa thing of not even trying to make a contest of it against the moneybags clubs such as Chelsea and Man U.

All that needs to be parked now.

Man for man both Arsenal and West Ham are better than us. But they shouldn't want to win more than we do. I'm resigned to going down but still hopeful (just about) that we can pull it off. Go flat out in the next two (not gung ho football, but not the cautious, tepid shite we have seen in most of our home games since June) and what will be will be.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The_ads on July 19, 2020, 05:52:41 PM
Incredible.

Permutations just got a lot cleaner.

Hereís my take:

Watford will struggle to get a point from there last two games, clearly in disarray and not very good either. Yes City and Arse will be on the beach but Iíd still bet against Watford. Letís be generous and say they end the season on 35 points with a GD of -26.

Bournemouth just bottled it. I think they will draw against Everton but even if they win, then end on 37 and a GD of say -25.

So if we win both, we survive.
If we get 4 points, we need to improve our GD by 2 to survive
If we get 3 points we can still survive if Watford lose both (probable) and Bournemouth donít win against Everton.

What a chance!

How do Bournemouth end on 37?? Forget them, they are cooked.

If Villa win both games we survive. Simple as
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 19, 2020, 05:58:28 PM
if only AEG was a decent footballer...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2020, 06:07:51 PM
If Villa win both games we survive. Simple as
Except it isn't.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 19, 2020, 06:10:25 PM
If we win both games, we will stop up. Watford won't win their next two.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 06:12:32 PM
They probably only need to win one. Let's see where we are on Tuesday night. It would be bloody lovely to have TWO results go our way on the same day. Don't think that has happened under the current monarch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2020, 06:13:46 PM
Can we put someone other than Smithin charge of substitutions?
Any one just anyone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2020, 06:18:07 PM
If we win both games, we will stop up. Watford won't win their next two.
And that's my point.  We have to win our next two and hope other results go our way.  It's out of our hands now. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 19, 2020, 06:20:03 PM
Stop it, everyone. You're in danger of raising my hopes up!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on July 19, 2020, 06:25:00 PM
Frankly, I'm amazed that after scraping a paltry 6 points from the last 12 games, yes that's 6 from 36, that we have any chance of staying up! Even 10 points from the last 12 games and we'd be almost safe.....so infuriating! Particularly the late goals conceded over the season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2020, 06:34:57 PM
Stop it, everyone. You're in danger of raising my hopes up!
Donít worry, normal service will be resumed, once we enter the field of play.
We are still going down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JJ-AV on July 19, 2020, 06:54:06 PM
We can't afford to lose to Arsenal. Bournemouth are capable of beating Everton and Watford getting atleast a point from Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2020, 06:58:53 PM
A week before the FA Cup Final, you would not blame Arsenal from protecting their main players.  Saying that, if there are no under-23's in competitive games, they have to go with their main 25 man squad rather than play the complete stiffs like Liverpool had to in the League Cup.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2020, 07:12:10 PM
We can't afford to lose to Arsenal. Bournemouth are capable of beating Everton and Watford getting atleast a point from Arsenal.

Bournemouth can stay up in they beat Everton and us and Watford lose our last two and the goal difference swings there way. Of course that can happen and it wouldnít necessarily be a miracle escape. But if I was a Bournemouth tonight Iíd be thinking my club was down bar the shouting. Watfordís sacking of Pearson is mad with two games left, especially as they won two before West Ham. It could galvanise them with Deeney tub thumping, my guess is if Man City score early they crumble. We just have to start in the front foot against Arsenal. But depending if Watford ship some to city we could actually lose by the odd goal and still go to West Ham with a chance. Madness
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: exiled on the wirral! on July 19, 2020, 07:36:28 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 19, 2020, 07:38:01 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.
I'm quite sure that's not true.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 19, 2020, 07:48:56 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

Anyone predicting we'll go down is hardly some incredible Nostradamus - we're 7/2 on for relegation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 19, 2020, 07:53:04 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

The narrative with some will all be about how lucky we were to stay up if we do
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 19, 2020, 07:57:29 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

Anyone predicting we'll go down is hardly some incredible Nostradamus - we're 7/2 on for relegation.

That's lengthened. People piling money on Watford now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on July 19, 2020, 08:34:35 PM
Just caught up with Watford sacking Pearson. Confirmed now.

Bonkers! Might be good for us though!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 19, 2020, 08:39:47 PM
in 1963/64 Liverpool won the First Division, Leeds the Second Division.

Villa finished 4th from bottom. We lost to Arsenal away but beat them at home, we drew with West Ham at home but beat them away.

Just need history to repeat itself. ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 19, 2020, 08:47:43 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

The narrative with some will all be about how lucky we were to stay up if we do
;D ;D  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 19, 2020, 08:51:29 PM
in 1963/64 Liverpool won the First Division, Leeds the Second Division.

Villa finished 4th from bottom. We lost to Arsenal away but beat them at home, we drew with West Ham at home but beat them away.

Just need history to repeat itself. ;)

Pus Coventry the 3rd (I think).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on July 19, 2020, 08:52:46 PM
Yes, Iím furious about the reaction that I imagine some fans might have if something which might not happen happens.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on July 19, 2020, 08:58:06 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

No way. I would happily eat humble pie for years. I want us to stay up more than anything, this season has been tough but we all want the same thing. Another crack at the PL next season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: luke95 on July 19, 2020, 08:58:52 PM
in 1963/64 Liverpool won the First Division, Leeds the Second Division.

Villa finished 4th from bottom. We lost to Arsenal away but beat them at home, we drew with West Ham at home but beat them away.

Just need history to repeat itself. ;)

Pus Coventry the 3rd (I think).

They did indeed.
These posts need deleting before Damo70 sees & lumps on
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 19, 2020, 09:07:14 PM
Pus Coventry the 3rd (I think).

They did indeed.
These posts need deleting before Damo70 sees & lumps on

Cheers, overheard someone briefly mention the Leeds / Liverpool thing so assumed it must involve a good omen of sorts but hadn't made the Coventry connection.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 09:08:40 PM
It's starting to feel that some people want us to fail just so they are proven right on a supporters forum...sad.

No it isn't, Donald.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Le Lapin on July 19, 2020, 09:09:35 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on July 19, 2020, 09:09:51 PM
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 19, 2020, 09:23:47 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

We're 3 points and 4 goals from safety with two games left. It really isn't in our hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 09:24:15 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

I expect Watford to beat Arsenal. We need six points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 19, 2020, 09:38:58 PM
Rumours Pearson punched a player.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 19, 2020, 09:45:28 PM
Rumours Pearson punched a player.

If that's the case, I wonder why they have sacked Shakespeare too.  I wonder if it is part of a bullying thing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Le Lapin on July 19, 2020, 09:46:16 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

We're 3 points and 4 goals from safety with two games left. It really isn't in our hands.

I said pending results elsewhere. Of course we have to do our bit as well, that it in our hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 19, 2020, 09:46:51 PM
The Athletic have published an article that simply says the owners didn't like his decisions and the final straw was a row after the West Ham game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 09:48:19 PM
I like the fisticuffs rumour better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: KevinGage on July 19, 2020, 09:49:45 PM
Rumours Pearson punched a player.

It sounds right doesn't it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nodge on July 19, 2020, 10:03:26 PM
I heard he punched an ostrich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on July 19, 2020, 10:23:10 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

I expect Watford to beat Arsenal. We need six points.

I don't. The only thing that will save Watford now is us failing to overtake them. I think they'll get two good shoeings now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 10:23:45 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2020, 10:28:00 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 19, 2020, 10:30:07 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.
Didnít we beat them 6-2 the week before they played Ipswich in the FA cup final 1978 ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 10:30:12 PM
Just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean they're not out to get you.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tomd2103 on July 19, 2020, 10:31:33 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

To be fair Dave, I can't forgive them for that f@cking League Cup final either.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2020, 10:31:50 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.
Didnít we beat them 6-2 the week before they played Ipswich in the FA cup final 1978 ?

We beat Ipswich 6-0.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 10:33:10 PM
If they lose to us and beat Watford, I might begin to think about partially forgiving them for some of their many crimes against football. If not, the whinging, tarquin, can't be arsed to stay and watch their team lift the FA Cup wankers can get fucked.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 10:33:56 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.
Didnít we beat them 6-2 the week before they played Ipswich in the FA cup final 1978 ?


I thought it was Ipswich we stuck six past just before that final.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john2710 on July 19, 2020, 10:34:49 PM
We've been given a chance. With some luck we could be out of the bottom three by Tuesday.  Then match the others results on Sunday.

I'd have taken that possibility after the Utd game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 19, 2020, 10:36:00 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 10:37:57 PM
I heard he punched an ostrich


The poor old ostrich didn't deserve to be punched. Bernie Clifton on the other hand... ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 10:43:54 PM
Rumours Pearson punched a player.


If it kicked off with a player in the dressing room my guess would be Deeney.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brentastonb6 on July 19, 2020, 10:47:57 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.

Piers Morgan typifies the modern Arsenal fan , from Gooners to crooners
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 19, 2020, 10:55:10 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.

I'll have to introduce you to my wife.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 19, 2020, 10:56:39 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.

I'll have to introduce you to my wife.

Ha!

Well I suppose it could've been worse. She's not a stripey (unlike mine)!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 10:57:38 PM
"Watford FC confirms that Nigel Pearson has left the club with immediate effect. Hayden Mullins with Graham Stack as assistant will take up the position for the final two fixtures. There will be no further club comment".
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 19, 2020, 10:58:16 PM
None of the usual "we thank him for his efforts and wish him well for the future" platitudes, I see.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: lovejoy on July 19, 2020, 11:01:21 PM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

Itís in our hands pending results elsewhere?!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 11:02:40 PM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.

I'll have to introduce you to my wife.


Is she a goer? Nudge nudge wink wink know what I mean? Does she go? Likes games? I bet she does.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on July 19, 2020, 11:03:56 PM
None of the usual "we thank him for his efforts and wish him well for the future" platitudes, I see.


I thought the same. It was a rather terse statement.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 20, 2020, 12:01:06 AM
Talking about home and away performance is a bit of a red herring, isn't it? - without a crowd the home-performance record since the start of this mini-league has softened generally.

There haven't been as many shock results as I thought they'd be tbh, home form generally only been a factor for likes of us, Norwich and Bournemouth. We'd all surely have picked up more home points with fans in the ground. None have picked up an away win since restart (add Watford to that aswell).

Arsenal since the restart have won v Norwich and Liverpool at home and lost 3 of their 5 away games so that's generally what they've been doing during the season.

It's simply a question of motivation for them in these last two games but they're more likely to be relaxed and play free in their home environment. Watford will probably set up defensively to try to scrap out a point aswell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on July 20, 2020, 02:13:07 AM
The way I see it Sunday was a brilliant day for us we didnít concede a goal! Bournemouth lost, Watford mislaid their manager cheerie stuff. This leaves Watford still in the driving seat but looking shaky and  cherries, almost certainly gone, as for us all thatíll Iíll say is  we have renewed hope UTV
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Le Lapin on July 20, 2020, 06:10:59 AM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

Itís in our hands pending results elsewhere?!

Yes, pending expected results elsewhere, Citeh beating Watford, Arsenal beating Watford and hoping Everton turn up against Bournemouth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2020, 06:11:40 AM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.
How do you literally never meet anyone?

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on July 20, 2020, 06:52:42 AM
A lot of my friends are Arsenal fans and each of them is a ******.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: frank black on July 20, 2020, 07:01:42 AM
I hope so, but we have learned over the years that you can't trust Arsenal.

Do you ever feel that you might be a bit paranoid where they're concerned?

He's right.

I've literally never met a decent Arsenal fan. Chelsea, Man U, Man City, even fucking Liverpool have one or two decent followers.

Arsenal - shower of bastards the absolute lot of them.
How do you literally never meet anyone?



Piers Morgan and Alan Davies (Case rested your honor)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Steve67 on July 20, 2020, 07:26:30 AM
Only one game left for Bournemouth and they look down.  Even if they beat Everton, say 1-0, it probably won't be enough for them.  That Southampton result was really damaging for them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 20, 2020, 07:53:04 AM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

It’s in our hands pending results elsewhere?!

Yes, pending expected results elsewhere, Citeh beating Watford, Arsenal beating Watford and hoping Everton turn up against Bournemouth.

So we are hoping to beat Arsenal, who outplayed Citeh at the weekend but hope that said Citeh beat Watford and then the Arsenal we manage to beat return to form to beat Watford, with nothing to play for in the league and one eye on the cup final...Ö.Okaaaaayyyy!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2020, 07:58:02 AM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

It’s in our hands pending results elsewhere?!

Yes, pending expected results elsewhere, Citeh beating Watford, Arsenal beating Watford and hoping Everton turn up against Bournemouth.

So we are hoping to beat Arsenal, who outplayed Citeh at the weekend but hope that said Citeh beat Watford and then the Arsenal we manage to beat return to form to beat Watford, with nothing to play for in the league and one eye on the cup final...Ö.Okaaaaayyyy!
Itís comments like this that convince me that some fans want to see us relegated.
We are Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on July 20, 2020, 08:02:16 AM
It's the last thing I want to see, but there is no logic to thinking we can get out of it with a win vs Arse, who we haven't beaten at VP since who knows when, and expect Watford not to do so.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The Edge on July 20, 2020, 08:04:36 AM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

Itís in our hands pending results elsewhere?!

Yes, pending expected results elsewhere, Citeh beating Watford, Arsenal beating Watford and hoping Everton turn up against Bournemouth.

So we are hoping to beat Arsenal, who outplayed Citeh at the weekend but hope that said Citeh beat Watford and then the Arsenal we manage to beat return to form to beat Watford, with nothing to play for in the league and one eye on the cup final...Ö.Okaaaaayyyy!
Itís comments like this that convince me that some fans want to see us relegated.
We are Aston Villa.
That's what I thought. We have some strange fans don't we?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mr underhill on July 20, 2020, 08:31:59 AM
all clubs have some strange fans.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 08:43:26 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 20, 2020, 09:03:10 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Agreed. Duncan Shaw was only stating the obvious above. Just because some of us are realists and don't blindly stumble around with our claret and blue specs on, doesn't make us any less of a supporter.

Obviously, we'd all die to see Villa claw their way out of this mess (of their own doing), but realistically, looking at form/past results, it's highly unlikely to actually happen.

It's a funny old game, and we'll all be glued to the telly/radio tomorrow, (and if things do work out) Sunday regardless!
UTV
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2020, 09:07:45 AM
What if Le Lapin self proclaims his opinion as realism?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on July 20, 2020, 09:12:36 AM
I don't think Bournemouth are completely gone. If both us and Watford lose tomorrow, which is distinctlly possibile, then they're right back in it. I can certainly see them winning at Everton on the final day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 09:22:59 AM
What if Le Lapin self proclaims his opinion as realism?

He can do what he likes, so far as I can see he wasn't trotting out the "want us to lose" nonsense.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2020, 09:24:44 AM
I personally think we have left ourselves with too much to do but while there's still a chance, you just never know.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Le Lapin on July 20, 2020, 09:29:36 AM
Its all in our hands now. A win and a draw should do it, pending expected results elsewhere of course. If we balls this up we deserve to go down.

Itís in our hands pending results elsewhere?!

Yes, pending expected results elsewhere, Citeh beating Watford, Arsenal beating Watford and hoping Everton turn up against Bournemouth.

So we are hoping to beat Arsenal, who outplayed Citeh at the weekend but hope that said Citeh beat Watford and then the Arsenal we manage to beat return to form to beat Watford, with nothing to play for in the league and one eye on the cup final...Ö.Okaaaaayyyy!

A win and a draw for us as per my original post, not sure in what order.  If you haven't hope, well then, what have you got? I'm well aware how weak this Villa team is, but I keep on believing that it will turn around for us at some stage.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on July 20, 2020, 09:31:12 AM
What if Le Lapin self proclaims his opinion as realism?

This, and you also have people accusing fans of 'blindly stumbling around with claret and blue specs on'. There's nothing at all wrong in thinking we could still get out of it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: sickbeggar on July 20, 2020, 09:46:12 AM
I'm very much a pint half spilt sort of guy, but even I don't think Bournemouth and Watford not winning again this season is stretching probability that much. You could say the same about us, but 4 points in 2 games shows some sort of recent form. Same again and we could easily stay up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 09:56:56 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2020, 09:59:44 AM
The 5 Results we need in order of difficulty;

1.Villa beat Arsenal
2. Southampton beat Bournemouth
3. Villa beat West Ham
4. West Ham beat Watford
5. Man City beat Watford

40% there, with the hardest to come for us. If 1 and 5 on the list come in, we're doing it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 10:07:30 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.

I don't think there has been any equivalent of the nonsense on the previous page from our Illinois Correspondent from the less confident among us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on July 20, 2020, 10:11:31 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.

I don't think there has been any equivalent of the nonsense on the previous page from our Illinois Correspondent from the less confident among us.
You might want to read some of the previous posts, and they say Americans donít get Irony.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 10:13:17 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Which of course hasn't happened.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on July 20, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.

I don't think there has been any equivalent of the nonsense on the previous page from our Illinois Correspondent from the less confident among us.
You might want to read some of the previous posts, and they say Americans donít get Irony.

Yeah sure, Alanis.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 10:17:01 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Which of course hasn't happened.

It's been happening for years. Further details on request.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on July 20, 2020, 10:32:09 AM
I tend to try to look for the positives where Villa are concerned but I just can't see us doing it.  It feels like we've blown so many 'must wins' and I can't see that changing against Arsenal who have hit some real form.  Blowing the lead at Everton could haunt us for a long time.  All so frustrating. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: spartacuss on July 20, 2020, 11:04:18 AM
Best psychological approach in my view?  Accept that we're in the Championship already and that we have 2 cup games left to win a place in the Premier League.
Works for me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 11:18:37 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Which of course hasn't happened.

It's been happening for years. Further details on request.
"Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"?  Really?  You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 20, 2020, 11:24:23 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Which of course hasn't happened.

It's been happening for years. Further details on request.
"Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"?  Really?  You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic. 

Or as it's otherwise known, disagree.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on July 20, 2020, 11:27:52 AM
Us staying up is possible but unlikely. Is there much more to say until after the Arsenal game?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on July 20, 2020, 11:29:37 AM
I don't think it is too strange to be pessimistic when we have been mostly shit for a decade, haven't won at home to Arsenal this century and have watched them lose countless matches we wanted them to win against mediocre opposition in the meantime. Expecting the worst while hoping to be pleasantly surprised is a good way of dealing with things for some of us.

There seems to be an odd mindset creeping onto here lately that you're somehow not a proper fan or, ridiculously, "want us to lose" if you have any less than blind optimism.

Perhaps if some posters were't so keen to shout down anyone who looks even vaguely supportive it might not happen.
Which of course hasn't happened.

It's been happening for years. Further details on request.
"Anyone who looks even vaguely supportive"?  Really?  You might equally say there are at least a couple on here who are ready to pile on to anyone who says anything even vaguely critical or pessimistic.