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Title: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2020, 01:14:02 PM
Choose 3. Option to change vote is available. I was originally going to put just the current bottom 8 in there but decided to go for 12 to cater for the possibility of someone going into freefall. Options will be removed as the season progresses. Currently in no particular order:

West Ham
Watford
Norwich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on February 02, 2020, 01:30:25 PM
Choose 3. Option to change vote is available. I was originally going to put just the current bottom 8 in there but decided to go for 12 to cater for the possibility of someone going into freefall. Options will be removed as the season progresses. Currently in no particular order:

West Ham
Watford
Norwich

This is who we think will go down rather than want to?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 02, 2020, 01:53:27 PM
Think.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TaxDodger on February 02, 2020, 01:57:53 PM
17. Aston Villa
18. Watford (R)
19. Brighton (R)
20. Norwich (R)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 02:03:24 PM
Fuck me, want to go down, spoilt for choice.
Arsenal because there fans are such wankers with a sense of entitlement.
Watford after the anti football performance the other night.
Bournemouth because of thier shitty little ground.
Newcastle - Steve Bruce
Crystal Palace because we rarely get anything there and itís a nightmare to get to.
West Ham - poison dwarfs, Lady Transfer kitty Brady Porn Kings Tax Payer stadium
Everton because they seem to have a massive chip on thier shoulder about us.
Southampton, Lego stadium add Brighton to that.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AVH87 on February 02, 2020, 02:16:12 PM
Norwich are almost gone
Brighton I think haven't got many wins left in them and will go
Third spot is where I worry about us - if not we have to hope W Ham continue their shocking form or Watford's Pearson bubble has completely burst
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on February 02, 2020, 02:21:21 PM
In an ideal world for me, it would be...

Burnley
Watford
Newcastle
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 02, 2020, 02:30:22 PM
Fuck me, want to go down, spoilt for choice.
Arsenal because there fans are such wankers with a sense of entitlement.
Watford after the anti football performance the other night.
Bournemouth because of thier shitty little ground.
Newcastle - Steve Bruce
Crystal Palace because we rarely get anything there and itís a nightmare to get to.
West Ham - poison dwarfs, Lady Transfer kitty Brady Porn Kings Tax Payer stadium
Everton because they seem to have a massive chip on thier shoulder about us.
Southampton, Lego stadium add Brighton to that.



Not that it's really important but the question was about 'think will go down' rather than 'want'. If it was 'want' I'd pretty much be in line with you!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 02, 2020, 02:33:06 PM
I think we will just get out by the skin of our nuts

Norwich gone - 20th
West Ham because they thought somehow Moyes was the answer - 19th
I reckon Brighton for the last spot.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 02, 2020, 02:38:07 PM
Surprised not many mentions for Bournemouth.

Their next 6 matches : Sheff Utd (A) , Burnley (A), Chelsea (H), Liverpool (A) , Palace (H), Wolves (A)

I don't see them getting more than 4 points out of those, could be less easily.

That would surely lodge them firmly bottom 3 by end of March
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2020, 02:43:06 PM
I don't think Norwich are gone. They play far better football than quite a few teams, including us. It's just that their defence is even worse than ours. Although they have at least kept a clean sheet or two away from home.

I think West Ham will unfortunately have too much quality to be embroiled in the battle at the end which might be good for us as we might need a result at their place on the last day of the season.
So it's between us, Norwich, Brighton, Bomo and Watford.

20 Watford (those last two results will hopefully have kicked Pearson and Deeney right in the balls)
19 Norwich
18 Brighton/Villa...too close to call.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dicedlam on February 02, 2020, 02:49:59 PM
Want it to be:
W. Ham
Brighton
Norwich

Think it will be:
Villa
Brighton
Norwich.

I just don't think we have the metal, never mind the quality for a relegation scrap.
The midfield blows hot and cold and without McGinn, we just don't have the legs in there at the moment. Then there is Trez and El Ghazi who again and again go missing for large parts of a game. The defence is also an area for concern with all three central defenders (Konsa/Mings/Hause) having at least one brain fart each per game. Our striking options can only be summed up in a couple of words 'a gamble'.

The positives are obviously Jack but he cannot be expected to be the force all on his own. I do think both Gilbert and Targett have improved immensely and do look more of a threat with crosses than both Trez and El Ghazi, but is this enough? sadly I don't think so.

Please prove me wrong Villa.



Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 02, 2020, 03:40:04 PM
Itís 3 from 6
Norwich
Spam
Watford
BTon
Bmouth
Us.
I think you can make a case for any of them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fulford on February 02, 2020, 03:55:11 PM
I've gone for

Villa
Brighton
Norwich

We just don't seem to be able to pull off any unexpected results unlike others around us. Our woeful away form will be our undoing unfortunately and an injury to Jack is unthinkable but likely at some stage.

I really hope they prove me wrong as I can't envisage life in the chumps again without our best players.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 03:57:43 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john2710 on February 02, 2020, 04:07:11 PM
We're going to have to beat the teams above us, pick up points away from home & keep a few clean sheets if we want to stay up. Something we've struggled to do so far.

I think we'll be one of rhe bottom three.

It's going to be
Norwich
Brighton
Us / Bournemouth / Watford
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on February 02, 2020, 04:11:33 PM
Gone for

Brighton
Villa
Norwich.
Just don't see enough fight or any effective tactics from us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 02, 2020, 04:59:54 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2020, 05:15:47 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 02, 2020, 05:35:27 PM
We're going to have to beat the teams above us, pick up points away from home & keep a few clean sheets if we want to stay up. Something we've struggled to do so far.

I think we'll be one of rhe bottom three.

It's going to be
Norwich
Brighton
Us / Bournemouth / Watford

I agree - the inability to keep clean sheets or eke out draws is hurting us..overall ,poor recruitment  and,- ultimately abject defending may well be our downfall - just who is defensive coach?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 02, 2020, 05:48:33 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Equally it's 14 conceded in the last 6 league games (Norwich was 7 games), so stats can be used to support a number of arguments.

We do share the worse defensive record along with Norwich and that needs to improve very quickly to have any chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 02, 2020, 06:41:54 PM
Villa
Bournemouth
Norwich

You don't stay up conceding 2 goals a game.

Agreed, but seeing as nobody has conceded two goals a game on average, how is that affecting your decision?

Indeed. We didn't concede two goals a game v Norwich, Burnley, Brighton or Watford which have been in the last six games.
Equally it's 14 conceded in the last 6 league games (Norwich was 7 games), so stats can be used to support a number of arguments.

We do share the worse defensive record along with Norwich and that needs to improve very quickly to have any chance.

That includes one game that is a bit of an anomaly though. Other than that Man City game, yesterday was the first time we have conceded two in a game since we went to three at the back. It still needs work, but we have definitely been improved defensively since then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 02, 2020, 11:21:34 PM
We've just played the bottom 4 haven't we and still managed to not keep a clean sheet. It's what's going to kill us this season. Drinkwater as the midfield reinforcement was not the sticky plaster we needed to make us solid and we concede constantly at set pieces and crosses.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 02, 2020, 11:25:38 PM
*We kept a clean sheet at home to Norwich.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 02, 2020, 11:29:32 PM
Norwich
Bournemouth
Brighton
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 02, 2020, 11:40:44 PM
West Ham will go unless they sign Tevez on an emergency loan....

Their away schedule is very tough, think they'll lose 4 of the six and they'll draw too many of their winnable home games due to having a manager like Moyes (I'd back them to stop up if they had Big Sam but they've already been down that avenue previously).

Did a prediction this afternoon and had them on 37 points and that includes beating us on the final day. We got to 39. Can't actually remember who the other relegated team was.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on February 02, 2020, 11:58:50 PM
Can still see Newcastle being dragged into it , their luck has to run out soon averaging 30% possession every game
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 12:58:25 AM
I've gone for Norwich, Watford and Bournemouth. I think (with no real confidence) we'll be safe come the final day for some reason. Prayer mats at the ready just in case.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 03, 2020, 01:10:16 AM
I only picked two.

Norwich were never good enough from day one in my opinion.

Pre season I thought this was one Premier League season too far for Bournemouth.

Watford's new manager bounce seems to have worn off so they might go down.

The toxic atmosphere at West Ham will be a problem for them

I tipped Newcastle to go down before the season started but they have surprised me by grinding out some
decent results.

Brighton also seem good enough to grind out enough points to get over the line.

So long as we don't bottle it and play as we have been I think we will just about have enought to get over the line.

Definitely Norwich and Bournemouth for me and Watford or West Ham for the other relegation place.

I can't see any of Burnley, Palace, Arsenal, Southampton or Everton going down but if I had to pick one of them it would be Palace.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 03, 2020, 06:42:55 AM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on February 03, 2020, 07:49:10 AM
I only picked two.

Norwich were never good enough from day one in my opinion.

Pre season I thought this was one Premier League season too far for Bournemouth.

Watford's new manager bounce seems to have worn off so they might go down.

The toxic atmosphere at West Ham will be a problem for them

I tipped Newcastle to go down before the season started but they have surprised me by grinding out some
decent results.

Brighton also seem good enough to grind out enough points to get over the line.

So long as we don't bottle it and play as we have been I think we will just about have enought to get over the line.

Definitely Norwich and Bournemouth for me and Watford or West Ham for the other relegation place.

I can't see any of Burnley, Palace, Arsenal, Southampton or Everton going down but if I had to pick one of them it would be Palace.


only problem with this scenario Damo, is we have bottled it and continue to do so, too often. Iím not saying weíre down. Just that if weíre relying on us not to bottle it too often, it could be very close. Hopefully weíll be safe by the time we play West Ham, letís hope so. But that game could well decide our fate, and how many times have we bottled it against relegation rivals so far this season?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 07:59:17 AM
Opposed to bottling it, Iíd say weíve done rather well against our relegation rivals;

6 from Norwich
4 from Brighton
4 from Burnley
3 from Everton*
3 from Newcastle*
3 from Watford
1 from West Ham*
0 from Bournemouth
0 from Southampton*

*2nd game still to play.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2020, 08:08:50 AM
The problem for me is consistency. At our best we can go toe to toe with most teams in this league. Unfortunately it also boils down to desire and wanting it badly enough. At least half the team can do that but there's too many who are not committed in enough in every game. Too many weak links in the chain. I'm not sure DS can get all performances at the intensity required.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on February 03, 2020, 09:02:53 AM
That's the problem and you can easily pick up on it, you see players closing down at half pace trying to look as if they are when they're not really. Then the player who passes the ball then plays statues, we have a winger who starts every game who typifies this attitude never wants to get dirty.
We need every player in every game to give their utmost for the cause and a manager who demands it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: baddowvillans on February 03, 2020, 10:17:35 AM
17. Aston Villa
18. Watford (R)
19. Brighton (R)
20. Norwich (R)

I went Norwich Brighton and Villa but would be happy with this.  I just can't see us having enough effort organisation and desire to stay up.  Jack can only do so much and unfortunately for us all those normal top 6 teams that we have at home and looked beatable appear to be picking up.  We need something out of those games to stay up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 03, 2020, 10:20:44 AM
God knows.

I appreciate this is not very helpful or informative.

Anything could happen. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 10:23:41 AM
Opposed to bottling it, Iíd say weíve done rather well against our relegation rivals;

6 from Norwich
4 from Brighton
4 from Burnley
3 from Everton*
3 from Newcastle*
3 from Watford
1 from West Ham*
0 from Bournemouth
0 from Southampton*

*2nd game still to play.



I wouldn't class Everton or Newcastle as relegation rivals to be honest.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on February 03, 2020, 10:33:55 AM
I can't bring myself to do this
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 10:45:11 AM
We need to be scraping some points, as West Ham get battered away at Liverpool and Man City, if they get cast adrift they'll lose all their confidence.  Then there's just one place to scrap it out to stay away from.  I wouldn't really want to have to go to West Ham and need a result to stay up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 03, 2020, 10:49:03 AM
Up until a few weeks ago I still had Newcastle in my 3 for the drop.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nevillain on February 03, 2020, 11:23:02 AM
I donít care, as long as we are 17th or above. UTV
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 03, 2020, 11:30:02 AM
Too many draws (instead of wins) are usually the thing that hold us back. This season a lack of draws is holding us back. If we had 2-3 extra draws I wold be so mch more confident. That has been the frustrating thing this season -losing games we should have got a point from: Bournemouth at home, Palace away, Arsenal away etc.

I just wish we had that tiny bit more grit and nous. So frustrating.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 03, 2020, 12:05:40 PM
If SJM hadn't got injured we'd be on 29/30 points. His injury has had a massive impact. He inspires the whole team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: algy on February 03, 2020, 12:24:55 PM
It's very hard to predict, I think it'll be really close for all the positions between 14th and 19th.   

Norwich, definitely going down.  Then at least 1 - and probably 2 - from us, Watford, and West Ham.

Either Bournemouth or Brighton as outside bets for relegation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 03, 2020, 12:47:40 PM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.

I was aware West Ham had a tough run in but didn't know Bournemouth did too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 03, 2020, 12:48:44 PM
Bournemouth and Brighton outside bets? They've won 3 games between them in 20 matches.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on February 03, 2020, 12:57:08 PM
I've gone Norwich, Watford, Brighton out of hope more than anything else. We have to get a bit more solid at the back. At least we've got a few more bodies in than our rivals and got McGinn to come back as well. I am clutching at straws though.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 03, 2020, 01:05:28 PM
I wonder what are the odds this season of a team being relegated on goal difference? My guess is it's going to be very tight down there and I expect us to be in the middle of it unless there's a dramatic change.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 01:18:23 PM
It's going to be an awful few weeks where us and West Ham try to be not quite as shite as the other team.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: garyshawsknee on February 03, 2020, 01:22:11 PM
It's going to be an awful few weeks where us and West Ham try to be not quite as shite as the other team.

I've got this awful feeling it'll come down to a winner takes all game on the last day of the season, I'll get a ticket through my West Ham season ticket holder brother and be sat next to the biggest Essex type geezer in East London, feigning my disgust at every Villa goal.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 03, 2020, 01:32:19 PM
I think relegated teams will have a max of 36 points. We'll scrape by with a minimum of 37 or a maximum of 39. Imo Norwich, Watford and West Ham could well make up the bottom 3 with Bournemouth the most likely to slip into one of those places as they have an awful run-in playing all of the current top 8 and nobody in the bottom 6. Wishful thinking maybe but it's going to be tight.

I was aware West Ham had a tough run in but didn't know Bournemouth did too.

Well there's 13 games left each so chances are everyone's got difficult run-ins!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: postal on February 03, 2020, 03:15:35 PM
West Ham next games - ManCity & Liverpool away

Bournemouth have SheffUtd & Burnley, not "difficult" but not easy either

And Villa have Spurs then Saints.... well.....

We and Bournmouth might get a win or a couple of draws (ahem) in those two, but West Ham... nothing, unless thats the time for Liverpool's freaky loss...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2020, 03:33:21 PM
Narwich
Boremouth
dead seagulls
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on February 03, 2020, 03:36:07 PM
SJM will save us

Be like a new superstar signing

This is what Im praying for
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 03:44:09 PM
That bastard result on Saturday.  Still makes my pee boil.  Just imagine if we had won it - five points clear of the bottom three.  Massive even at this stage.  It is what we do but Christ just once I would like us to be boring and win a game expected of us and win without drama.  There was no excuse for that ineptitude on Saturday.   Billings had time to compare dread hairstyles with Tyrone before slotting home.

I think Bowen will give Spam a boost.  But, given their next two matches four points from Spuds and Southampton would do nicely.

4th bottom us.

Watford
Brighton
Norwich
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: vilan461 on February 03, 2020, 04:22:35 PM
 ive gone for---Norwich Watford---and WHU  --but was really undecided about West Ham---it,ll be one of us Hammers and Bournemouth,i reckon.
that last game at West Ham could well be the deciding factor---but hopefully we will be safe by then----it might even boil down to goal difference----
hopefully the footballing Gods will smile favourably on The Famous ASTON VILLA

In the worst case scenario---how the hell would we cope back in The Championship? without possibly--Captain Jack SJM and Tyrone Mings?? i shudder with horror at the thought!! 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 04:32:23 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 04:44:16 PM
What was the bottom three like this time last season - points wise?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 03, 2020, 04:52:23 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.

Well for me being fine doesn't really fit with selling our best, most exciting player for a generation, and our other two players who it is mostly an absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 04:53:49 PM
What was the bottom three like this time last season - points wise?


(https://i.ibb.co/C9vBLP7/Screenshot-72.png)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 03, 2020, 05:01:46 PM
Similar. One side a bit adrift, 15-17 all within a 'win' of dropping into the bottom three. But crucially, that was still the bottom three 13 games later. Can't we declare?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 05:09:53 PM
If we go down we will be fine.  We will get decent money for those three.  A lot of the others could cut it in the championship and we just have to hope Brentford don't go up so we can buy Benrahma and Watkins.  Easy really.

Agreed but it will become a reality.  I just don't think it will be the usual Armageddon scenario if we do go.  I would hate it.

Well for me being fine doesn't really fit with selling our best, most exciting player for a generation, and our other two players who it is mostly an absolute pleasure to watch.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 03, 2020, 05:18:42 PM
That's really interesting, we're doing ok then really aren't we? The standard seems to have improved across the board.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 03, 2020, 05:23:55 PM
2017/18

(https://i.ibb.co/yfYJZyr/Screenshot-73.png)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on February 03, 2020, 06:27:52 PM
Interesting that only one position has changed in the bottom three the last two seasons.  Southampton for Stoke.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 03, 2020, 06:29:16 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 03, 2020, 08:12:03 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

Fair.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 16, 2020, 08:05:09 PM
Everton and Arsenal removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 23, 2020, 07:40:51 PM
Burnley and Southampton removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on February 23, 2020, 07:45:29 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

£12 ? Daylight robbery
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on February 23, 2020, 07:50:44 PM
141 people voted, and 140 have Norwich for the drop.  So which of you is the lunatic who thinks the Canaries are turning into Liverpool this week?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DB on February 23, 2020, 07:51:07 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)


You still have your Villa / Cleveland Browns scarf ?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 23, 2020, 08:05:10 PM
I have, found it when me and my wife were moving around some stuff in the shed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: N'ZMAV on February 23, 2020, 08:17:43 PM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)

we may well be
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on February 24, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
We should be relegated just for this.
(https://i.ibb.co/0XbF7by/E049-FC3-C-1099-4-C66-BE29-6215-CCE05450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/0XbF7by)


You still have your Villa / Cleveland Browns scarf ?
Iíve still got mine in Oz
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 25, 2020, 08:50:15 AM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: dave.woodhall on February 26, 2020, 04:58:22 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us, are in worse form than us and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb from limb are probably worse off than we are.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on February 26, 2020, 05:06:05 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us, are in worse form than us and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb from limb are probably worse off than we are.
I suppose it depends what span of games you're talking about.  Over the last three, we have the worst form in the division.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 26, 2020, 05:10:49 PM
West Ham have been shit for 5 months, I have little doubt the majority of their fans are more worried than we are.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 26, 2020, 05:56:02 PM
I'm not naive enough to think everything in the garden is rosy, but we're heading in to March in 17th which is where we'd like to finish. It's not a bad state of affairs. Obviously we'd all like to have amassed 40 points already so that we could afford to lose the rest of our games but that was never going to happen.

We have bad matches and good matches, and bad periods in good matches. If we're only as good as our last fixture, then yes, we're in big trouble, but we're not are we? We've shown in a number of matches that we're better than that, even if we're prone to fuck a few things up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 26, 2020, 07:13:12 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JJ-AV on February 27, 2020, 01:02:28 PM
Yeah I agree with Risso there. We've signed probably 5 players in the Summer who weren't up to it. Had one of those been a hit we'd probably be a handful of points higher up.

Similarly, most who've watched us use the word naive, a lack of nous has cost us points. That comes from recruitment (i.e. lacking experience) and style. We haven't managed to develop a more robust approach to gain us an extra handful of points to give us some breathing space.

Smith's done a very good job overall but this season, particularly the last 3 months or so I have started to wonder about his methods, particularly with the persistence of problems. Specifically - shots conceded, the inability of the midfield to track runners and the fact we so rarely play the early ball in to the front-man.

I still back Smith and think if we go down we should stick with him. However, if we stay up, there may be a decision to be made too...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 27, 2020, 01:23:27 PM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 27, 2020, 01:31:35 PM
Yeah I agree with Risso there. We've signed probably 5 players in the Summer who weren't up to it. Had one of those been a hit we'd probably be a handful of points higher up.


Recruitment is tough though. You look at even a team that are doing well, like Sheffield United, and itís not like that many of their summer signings have been major successes so far. Callum Robinson has even been moved back out on loan already. And that was building from a much better position that we were in and knowing that they would be promoted a fair bit earlier.

Donít completely disagree with your point, and Iím not saying the recruitment should be defined as a success, but given what we had to do I think it a bit harsh to think they could have done a lot better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AV82EC on February 27, 2020, 01:50:00 PM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

I think we need to be careful here about this shots conceded stat as Iíd be intrigued to know how many were actually a clear cut chance to score? Iím not saying it irrelevant, it definitely isnít but like any stat how you construe it can be misleading.

Ultimately we are too open and naive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 01:50:39 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 27, 2020, 02:19:18 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

Yes, I think a club who have got less points than us (1), are in worse form than us (having played Man City and Liverpool away) and whose supporters woud like to tear their manager and board limb (see elements of the Dean Smith thread) from limb are probably worse off than we are.

I've added a bit of context in brackets.  We are matching West Ham stride for stride with shitness and I'd be less worried if the last game of the season was at home!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on February 27, 2020, 02:41:23 PM
Don't forget to add that West Ham have won 3 league games in 5 months and once since Christmas.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on February 27, 2020, 02:58:16 PM
I think Norwich have gone.  Watford have had their run and seem to be slipping so it seems to be one from us, West Ham, Brighton, Bournemouth and possibly Newcastle but I think their heads are just above the water.  Do we have enough? Should West Ham be more worried?

I've a horrible feeling Watford will get out of it, leaving two from Bournemouth, Brighton, WHU and us
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on February 27, 2020, 03:10:26 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 03:29:18 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2020, 03:41:16 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.

You were really expecting us to be 7th or higher? Because that's where you'd be with 40 points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on February 27, 2020, 04:29:10 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?

How does this relate to goal difference though? as currently 3rd worst with another 2 sides only 1 GD better
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 27, 2020, 04:55:28 PM
Why was it never going to happen? Thatís nonsense. Better recruitment and better coaching could have seen us much higher.

You were really expecting us to be 7th or higher? Because that's where you'd be with 40 points.

Who mentioned either 7th or a specific points total? FFS.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 27, 2020, 05:01:54 PM
I'm not naive enough to think everything in the garden is rosy, but we're heading in to March in 17th which is where we'd like to finish. It's not a bad state of affairs. Obviously we'd all like to have amassed 40 points already so that we could afford to lose the rest of our games but that was never going to happen.

We have bad matches and good matches, and bad periods in good matches. If we're only as good as our last fixture, then yes, we're in big trouble, but we're not are we? We've shown in a number of matches that we're better than that, even if we're prone to fuck a few things up.

Oh Risso, that's what you replied to.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 27, 2020, 08:38:57 PM
The way it stands right now, I think that's the way it will probably finish with certain conditions attached, so, West Ham, Watford, Norwich, to get relegated, I can't see West Ham getting anymore than 8 to 10 points from there remaining games, the vital game for Villa is Leicester, we need a point from that, 3 would be fantastic, somehow, I feel we can get a point from the Chelsea game, I've got us down for 3 points versus Newcastle Utd, I genuinely think we can beat Wolves for another 3 points, confident we can get a good result versus Palace for another 3 points, and then its down to the West Ham game, I have that down for another 3 points to give us 39 points in total, so the conditions, if we don't get at least points, from the Leicester and Chelsea games and West Ham win one more game than I am allowing for, then it will go right to the last game of the season us versus West Ham full on head to head, to stay up, that's how tight it is in my opinion.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 09:17:37 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Bournemouth conceded seventy last season. Something for us to aim for.

Indeed but Fulham were the worst, conceding 81 and were relegated. Huddersfield let in 76 and were also relegated. After a quick check, since the turn of the century, no team with the worst defensive record has survived. John? Anybody seen John?

How does this relate to goal difference though? as currently 3rd worst with another 2 sides only 1 GD better

Goal difference doesn't come into it, just the simple fact if you have the worst defence you get relegated (at least until now).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: charlatan on February 27, 2020, 10:22:43 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Has the most fouled team ever been relegated?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 27, 2020, 11:58:02 PM
Has a team with the worst defensive record in the PL ever managed to stay up?

Has the most fouled team ever been relegated?

Probably.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on February 28, 2020, 06:24:54 AM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 28, 2020, 06:52:22 AM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

Closest answer so far, from skysports.com yesterday:

Quote
Smith joined Villa in 2018 after impressing in his development of the Brentford team - but he admits he has had to adapt his philosophy in his bid to keep the West Midlands club in the Premier League.

"I've learned an awful lot about going into games and thinking you can control the ball," he said. "With the quality of the players you've got, there are periods where you're not going to have it, and not to go chasing it so quickly.

"I'm one to go and win it back as quickly as possible but some of the quality within this league doesn't allow you to do that, and when they do beat that press they can get at your back-four or three very quickly, and it gives you problems.

"We've had to adapt as we've gone through the season but we've also lost some big players to injury, which has also made us adapt. But the players and myself have learned all the way through."
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 28, 2020, 07:16:25 AM
You get a chance to score against us every 5 and a half minutes.
Smith has done nothing to address this situation, on Saturday we gave Southampton 20 opportunities.
This is just sheer madness and I would love just one journalist to ask him why he thinks this is and what he is doing about it.

Closest answer so far, from skysports.com yesterday:

Quote
Smith joined Villa in 2018 after impressing in his development of the Brentford team - but he admits he has had to adapt his philosophy in his bid to keep the West Midlands club in the Premier League.

"I've learned an awful lot about going into games and thinking you can control the ball," he said. "With the quality of the players you've got, there are periods where you're not going to have it, and not to go chasing it so quickly.

"I'm one to go and win it back as quickly as possible but some of the quality within this league doesn't allow you to do that, and when they do beat that press they can get at your back-four or three very quickly, and it gives you problems.

"We've had to adapt as we've gone through the season but we've also lost some big players to injury, which has also made us adapt. But the players and myself have learned all the way through."
Cheers Eamon. Not sure what they have learned.
But a huge problem is the ease with which we give the ball to the opposition and turnover Ball is the most dangerous.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 28, 2020, 12:13:20 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 28, 2020, 04:04:43 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Border villan on February 28, 2020, 04:18:25 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.

A win on Sunday will result in us being the only club to qualify for Europe before the big shutdown.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 28, 2020, 08:35:03 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 28, 2020, 08:36:47 PM
Please tell me you are not being serious.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Reg Brown on February 28, 2020, 08:37:39 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.

It would be great for us I must say.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 28, 2020, 08:44:25 PM
Please tell me you are not being serious.

Absolutely, watch how this all pans out, we can't fight this, the only chance we have is to contain it, you will see schools close, a huge part the workforce being told to work from home were possible, friend of mine has family in Japan and he is saying its really quite scary how they are looking at this and what they are planning to do, either this will spread rapidly in the UK within the coming days or it will be contained, time will tell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Tuscans on February 28, 2020, 09:08:53 PM
Jamie Carragher: ďThey symbolise football tradition in this country and the Premier League is in better shape for having them back. They (Aston Villa) are by far the biggest club in the Midlands and their stadium is one of my favourites. I am desperate for Villa to stay up.Ē
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 28, 2020, 10:20:22 PM
Norwich four points behind us now. Bloody lame Leicester. Bet they dont play that crap against us
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 28, 2020, 10:22:00 PM
Norwich four points behind us now. Bloody lame Leicester. Bet they dont play that crap against us

20% of their points total for the whole season behind us still, with only 10 games left to play, 1 less than us. Iíll not crap myself just yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 28, 2020, 11:10:09 PM
As I posted in another thread, Norwich winning is good for us as they play 4 other relegation contenders and if they are dead and buried more or less by the time they play them then it makes it much easier games for the opposition.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 28, 2020, 11:16:30 PM
We need to pull results out of the bag like Norwich have tonight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on February 29, 2020, 12:43:21 PM
Brighton seem quite a second rate team to me.
And some poorer players .
Just not capable of winning enough matches despite attempts at good football defensively they lose shape.

West Ham are a shambles and I think they are going to really struggle lacking confidence and tough fixtures.
I would have Southampton and Palace to both not to lose today and taking points off west ham and Brighton

I can see Villa finishing ahead of 4 teams
West ham
Brighton
Watford
Norwich

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: The_ads on February 29, 2020, 12:44:56 PM
Would wishing a coronavirus mass cancellation of sporting events and public gatherings be the wrong thing to wish for?
Absolutely not.  You're are just thinking of public well being and should be applauded for that.  This years league should just scrapped and we should start again from scratch in August.
Dissapointing, but the right thing to do and I'm sure Liverpool, Leeds and Baggies fans would be gracious enough to accept it's for the best.
Reports that this is being considered. Cant do links to anything but the Telegraph is one of the sources.

No way of getting out of Sunday, though!

It should be more than considered, it should be enacted right now, a complete shut down of the entire football season until the start of next season, then reassess around June time, we go this complete season again as it stands, this is fast becoming the most serious threat we have probably had to face since WW2, stock markets are going into meltdown, billions being wiped of share value, we could face an almost entire shut down of industry in this country and across the world within days, stopping a football season hardly registers on the richter scale, can easily see this happening.


  Total and utter tripe
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 01:07:00 PM
Someone's been watching too much rolling news.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 29, 2020, 01:25:28 PM
Splash down!  Bed wetting finds a new level.

Cancel the football season, nail crooked pieces of wood to the windows & call out the militia.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2020, 01:26:44 PM
I reckon we should all have our temperature tested before we walk in the ground tomorrow. It would be tremendous fun.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 29, 2020, 01:28:06 PM
I have a tin of chickpeas. PM for details.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Clampy on February 29, 2020, 01:30:16 PM
What next? Someone will be murdered, and then where are we? Drive-by shootings in the night, it'll be like "Boyz N The Hood" and we'll have whores selling their wares on the street and the pimps will be using crack to keep the whores under control, I'm going now to lock myself in the basement.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 01:50:03 PM
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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT Villan on February 29, 2020, 01:55:04 PM


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Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 03:03:16 PM
Southampton give us a twatting and now rest Ings against West Ham?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 03:15:30 PM
And fucking Jarrod Bowen scores....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:18:45 PM
Why we didnt sign bowen and opted for trez is beyond me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:20:48 PM
Watching chelsea vs bournmouth and bournmouth are playjng very well. Chelsea look woeful. Dont be suprised if they get something today either.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 29, 2020, 03:24:59 PM
Why we didnt sign bowen and opted for trez is beyond me.

He cost twice as much.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 03:31:33 PM
Sometimes it feels like a conspiracy.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:31:56 PM
Saints 1-1!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:41:06 PM
2-1 shit goal keeping from saints. Bloody hell
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 03:46:01 PM
West ham showing some real passion fight and guts in thsi game. We need to show the same. Its such a shame we showed none of that last week and put in such a shambolic performance
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on February 29, 2020, 04:14:22 PM
We're going down aren't we?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dazvillain on February 29, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
West Ham 3-1 up now and cherries beating Chelsea ffs !
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 04:17:21 PM
We're going down aren't we?

Your not allowed to say that or your being negative.

Its on the cards the teams around us showing fight while we show coward performances like Southampton.

Unless we improve we are going down
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2020, 04:20:40 PM
Weíve ridden our luck for weeks. No complaints
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on February 29, 2020, 04:23:07 PM
This day has been coming for some time. To be honest I was astonished we stayed out of the bottom 3 as long as we did.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aev on February 29, 2020, 04:29:48 PM
Bookies rarely get it wrong and we have been odds on for ages now.

Best chance is a pandemic...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 04:32:25 PM
Weíve ridden our luck for weeks. No complaints

Yep no one but ourselves to blame. The worst thing is the gap could be even bigger before our next league game as our game vs leicester is monday night.

No more bottle job saints performances
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dazvillain on February 29, 2020, 04:41:39 PM
Agree and in fairness we couldnít produce performances against those around us but the ones around us are managing g to do it against teams in top third
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 05:03:25 PM
Aston Villa will have relegated Aston Villa if it happens.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 29, 2020, 05:09:26 PM
We have lost the last3 league games.
I donít see us getting many more points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on February 29, 2020, 05:10:35 PM
Aston Villa will have relegated Aston Villa if it happens.

Exactly. That's why Southampton was so crucial. Just a shame the players didn't think the same on the day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on February 29, 2020, 05:11:17 PM
When will our game against t'Blades be rescheduled?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 05:19:09 PM
Crystal Palace removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 29, 2020, 05:29:28 PM
I can see us finishing bottom of the table. We might get a win against Newcastle, if we turn up but apart from that I don't see us beating any of the rest.

Other teams are fighting for their lives while we have complete twats like El Khazi downing tools over a little graze.

Almost 8 months into our season and I still have no idea what Luiz actually does or what his position is?!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Pete3206 on February 29, 2020, 05:39:53 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.


Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Newby on February 29, 2020, 05:56:16 PM
I love that people on here are being positive and are full of hope.  Personally, I think we're in the bottom 3 to stay now as we can't get a tune out of the players and are nowhere near physically tough enough as a side to win enough games to stay up.  Lots of 'nearly' performances but ultimately, we have been our own worst enemies so far.  Hope for the best though as I'd love to be wrong.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 06:01:45 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.




Me neither.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Behind Bluenose Lines on February 29, 2020, 06:19:04 PM
I'm not giving up with a quarter of the season left.




Me neither.
Nor me.
I know it was the Championship, but our 10 wins in a row streak started round now last season. A good omen for improved form, maybe???
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:25:32 PM
We have lost the last3 league games.
I donít see us getting many more points.

I feel like a broken record but losing games we should be drawing is what is killing us. I am so pissed off with the lack of draws.

Call me old fashioned but I always believe being solid defensively is the number one priority. The Brian Little era is the best example of this. We won a lot of games 1-0 back then, or could grind out a 0-0 if we absolutely had to- the semi-final second leg against Arsenal sticks out. If you can draw 8 or 9 games a season you have a great chance of staying up.

Smith's style seems to be 'go for the win'. I just think our whole approach to this first season back has been all wrong. We were very open in the first 10-11 games and didn't get the points we needed. I wish there had been more emphasis on defence and grinding out the points.

Going down, losing Jack, Mings and McGinn would be some kick in the balls as far as I'm concerned. It is a very long time since we had players we could identify with and it could be a long wait again.

I guess I am just pissed off at our whole approach this season - and you know what the league cup run has really papered over a lot of cracks. If we go down it won't be any consolation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on February 29, 2020, 06:30:12 PM
I think as a club our set up in general, our ownership, chief executive, manager and playing staff and even the atmosphere amongst the players, around the club and amongst the fans is a million miles better than 1987 and 2016.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 06:33:19 PM
We need to win 4/5 games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on February 29, 2020, 06:41:00 PM
I donít want to be negative on the eve of a cup final but Iím very worried we wonít get the points needed to stay up
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on February 29, 2020, 06:44:37 PM
Feels like that. Canít see us closing down games against good teams even if we get ahead. And canít see us out-battling teams at this end of the table. Just canít see where the wins are coming from.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on February 29, 2020, 06:45:02 PM
Our lack of a quality midfield is the problem and iím not sure we can fix it with the players we have in the squad...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 06:46:37 PM
We have really missed McGinn.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on February 29, 2020, 06:52:10 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:52:58 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 06:53:31 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on February 29, 2020, 06:57:41 PM
We begged for this. So many results have gone our way lately but weíve bottled every chance to get ourselves out of danger. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 06:58:50 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.

Players have let us down. The points tally going into this weekend was a disgrace, simply inviting teams to leapfrog us. You can't lose 3 games in a row, 2 of them most definitely winnable, and expect other teams won't take advantage.

This has been a shit season.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: phantom limb on February 29, 2020, 07:05:22 PM
You canít purely rely on being less shit than 3 other teams, we all know this from experience. I fully expected results to go against us this weekend while weíre not playing in the league, because thatís generally how it goes.

Whatever happens tomorrow, the players will have to step up and get some results by any means necessary.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:06:43 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3

All this game has shown is we're incredibly slow on the counter attack. This Sarr bloke has ripped Liverpool apart.

You need pace in the final third to beat the better teams. We had it in the MON days and our results v other top 6 were pretty good on the whole.

And to keep believing in what you're doing when 1 up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Jon Crofts on February 29, 2020, 07:07:57 PM
3-0. Thatís some performance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 07:08:06 PM
3-0.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: frank black on February 29, 2020, 07:13:16 PM
Well if it takes something to focus the players minds on the league after tomorrow, being overtaken should do it. Itís a weird feeling for me tonight, I have zero pre match nerves for tomorrowís game and almost zero expectations.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on February 29, 2020, 07:13:21 PM
Meanwhile Watford are beating Pool 2-0. Canít see any clubs worse than us.

We would bottle this and lose 2-3

All this game has shown is we're incredibly slow on the counter attack. This Sarr bloke has ripped Liverpool apart.

You need pace in the final third to beat the better teams. We had it in the MON days and our results v other top 6 were pretty good on the whole.

And to keep believing in what you're doing when 1 up.

Had Sarr played against us at Villa Park they'd have done us too. We dodged a huge bullet he was missing.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:14:46 PM
Watford doing all this despite losing one of their best players to injury in first half.

In any case think we'll have to accept likes of West Ham and Watford are likely to go into the distance now (perhaps not for West Ham with some of their fixtures).

Brighton and Bournemouth are still in this big time. Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit. Brighton have Wolves, Arsenal, Leicester and Man. United as their next four and their goals have dried up. They also face Man. City and Liverpool (o.k maybe not so tough now) at home late in the season.

Need to try and reel in one of those teams and also Newcastle.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:17:49 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: purpletrousers on February 29, 2020, 07:19:01 PM
What a monumentally shit Saturday results-wise.

This. I sit here at a very sweaty 22.03 in a far off land initially not believing that score could be.

My only hope that being one off the bottom shakes some players and the club to the core, that they perform as they can tomorrow and somehow carry that form through. If we donít stand up to be counted now...

I just shared my dismay with Brian my brother in laws Ďhouse boyí. He told me itís 3-0. Oh dear.
And my data is run out so theyíll be 4-0 by the time I post this.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:19:40 PM
Reel them in by winning our game in hand and going above most of the aforementioned and being level with Brighton.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:20:19 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on February 29, 2020, 07:20:33 PM
West ham and watford showing fight and passion. Take a note villa boys you need ti start doing the same if you want to stay up

But concentrate on tomorrow for now use this as motivation tomorrow.nothing is impossible
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Smithy on February 29, 2020, 07:21:15 PM
Unbelievable weekend.  Bottom three all winning, despite two of them playing 1st and 3rd.

Well, we know what we have to do, we need some big results in matches we're not expected to do well in. Do that, or we go down.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:24:01 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.

I believe the error Engels made is a symptom of everything wrong this season. The first instinct should have been to stick his boot through that ball and boot it into the stand. They aren't being drilled to think like that. They are being drilled, it appears, to control it and play nice football.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 29, 2020, 07:24:08 PM
It's no good keep hoping other teams are going to be reeled in. A week or two back, people on here were making out Palace were in free fall. Then it's Newcastle, but they will grind out draws or the odd win because they are better organised in defence.

We have failed to win enough of the 'must win' games like those in December and more recently Brighton, Bournemouth and Southampton. Worse still though is the abject failure against the teams in the top half.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: rougegorge on February 29, 2020, 07:29:17 PM
Also Brighton have won just once since the start of December and we still haven't reeled them in.

Smith needs to get the team playing a whole lot better and quickly, starting tomorrow. I am not hopeful.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Goldie.7 on February 29, 2020, 07:30:17 PM
We need to win 4/5 games.

We've won 7 games all season and 4 since the end of October. We've put in two convincing displays since August, Everton and Norwich away.

It isn't happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on February 29, 2020, 07:30:39 PM
Lack of effort and not being up for the scrap has got Villa into this position. I said before that the League Cup would prove to be a distraction. Simply have to win the game in hand now. At least SJM should be back for the run-in....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on February 29, 2020, 07:30:43 PM
Iím afraid that the do nothing option wonít keep us up but looks exactly whatís going to to happen.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on February 29, 2020, 07:31:40 PM
We could easily go into the Leicester game just 2 points from safety and with two games in hand. Yes, itís been terrible for us results-wise today but we arenít dead yet.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:32:26 PM
I fear for us now. Every other team seems capable of competing with top end teams.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on February 29, 2020, 07:33:22 PM
The fat lady is in the dressing room.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Monty on February 29, 2020, 07:34:28 PM
Look, it's monumentally horrible, but if we win our game in hand we'll still be in safety just. Still. Fuck me.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:36:41 PM
Look, it's monumentally horrible, but if we win our game in hand we'll still be in safety just. Still. Fuck me.

That will require beating a team in the top 10. We have to start winning those fucking games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:40:10 PM
Then let's start tomorrow and carry it on a week Monday and the Saturday after.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on February 29, 2020, 07:40:30 PM
It's no good keep hoping other teams are going to be reeled in. A week or two back, people on here were making out Palace were in free fall. Then it's Newcastle, but they will grind out draws or the odd win because they are better organised in defence.

We have failed to win enough of the 'must win' games like those in December and more recently Brighton, Bournemouth and Southampton. Worse still though is the abject failure against the teams in the top half.



Ultimately the one thing that remains out of our hands is what is needed to stay up. If it's 38 or above then we have next to no chance. At the moment even getting to 35 points feels a long shot but we've seen before one win can change the whole mindset.

If Bournemouth and Brighton fail to get to 35 points that would help a huge amount. Still a chance neither will. Brighton still have worse form than us over last two months.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 29, 2020, 07:41:07 PM
Then let's start tomorrow and carry it on a week Monday and the Saturday after.

That would be nice.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:52:52 PM
Beats the alternatives.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 29, 2020, 07:53:21 PM
Unbelievable set of results today, any real prediction of the teams previous below us have vanished, the unthinkable has become very much the reality, Bournemouth pulled of a decent result at home to Chelsea and it was still not good enough to keep them out of the drop zone, the fact that Watford have just hammered arguably the best team in the world is just the stuff of fantasy, I really thought Southampton had enough to get a point from West Ham, quite incredible, not forgetting last nights result for Norwich, we simply can't allow Leicester to beat us next week, you could legitimately claim its a bigger game than the final tomorrow.     
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 07:56:20 PM
Leicester is a far, far bigger game than the cup final. We didn't really need the distraction of a cup run in our first season back.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 07:57:26 PM
Well we're in it now and it wont be much of a distraction either way come half 6ish tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Abbeyfealeavfc on February 29, 2020, 07:58:12 PM
33 points to play for and plenty of twists and turns to come. Plenty of belief and support is required. Come on the Villa! VTID!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: BoVillan esq on February 29, 2020, 08:01:00 PM
Leicester is a far, far bigger game than the cup final. We didn't really need the distraction of a cup run in our first season back.

Before today I would have said a good result or even a good performance against Man City could probably have set us up for maybe a decent run in our relegation battle, after today we need to focus fully on the Premiership, this could well be a  distraction and lets hope we don't pick up any serious injuries. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 08:04:39 PM
Aston Villa need to be in the premier league. It is where we belong and it is where the money is. It is where we have to be if we are to have any chance of keeping Jack.

In the grand scheme of things that's why I made the comment about the cup being a distraction and being something more suited to a season when we are an established top flight club again.

If we go down, that will have been 4 out of 5 seasons we will have been out of the top flight and that is grim for a club our size.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sleeuwenhoek on February 29, 2020, 08:06:38 PM
Just means we've got to show some belief and start doing it for ourselves, we can't rely on everyone else losing all the time. We have shown at various times this season that we are capable, still lots to play for.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on February 29, 2020, 08:19:35 PM
We still need 12-14 points, nothing has changed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on February 29, 2020, 08:24:04 PM
I find it a little annoying that we demand a never say die attitude and spirit and anything less is not good enough or called having no heart and then as soon as results turn against us some of the same people wave the white flag and say with a quarter of the season left that it's already done and dusted.

Every single fixture we are capable of getting a result from. We've been firmly reminded that non are no chance, write off games, other teams are their to fight, for every point. We have to be in the same mindset too. Non of this bullshit about it's going to be the game against those around us spouted by even the manager. Every single game will decide if we are back playing QPR on a Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on February 29, 2020, 08:27:38 PM
Agreed. There's a very brittle mentality.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on February 29, 2020, 08:30:26 PM
Aston Villa need to be in the premier league. It is where we belong and it is where the money is. It is where we have to be if we are to have any chance of keeping Jack.

In the grand scheme of things that's why I made the comment about the cup being a distraction and being something more suited to a season when we are an established top flight club again.

If we go down, that will have been 4 out of 5 seasons we will have been out of the top flight and that is grim for a club our size.
Getting to cup finals is also very important to a club like Aston Villa.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on February 29, 2020, 08:32:06 PM
I thought all Tuesday night Championship games were traditionally played oop north?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 29, 2020, 08:40:45 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on February 29, 2020, 08:43:09 PM
Agreed. There's a very brittle mentality.

Players or fans? And who gets paid not to be?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on February 29, 2020, 09:03:39 PM
Awful set of results but itís that time of the year where strange results start to happen. Weíve just got to make sure we are amongst them. Chelsea, Arsenal, Palace, Sheffield Utd and Man Utd all at home. All perfectly winnable. Leicester and Newcastle have both hit the wall. Everton have nothing to play for and Wolves have Europa league.  Maybe even West Ham will have nothing to play for if them morphing into Brazil 70 comes to pass.

Itís still all on our own hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:10:38 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulTheVillan on February 29, 2020, 09:18:45 PM
We are a huge bunch of pussies. We don't have the guts for the fight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on February 29, 2020, 09:21:16 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Dave P on February 29, 2020, 09:26:58 PM
My biggest hope is that if we do go down, we still have 30k season ticket holders and a waiting list.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on February 29, 2020, 09:32:24 PM
Gentlemen we are rather fucked....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Sexual Ealing on February 29, 2020, 09:32:37 PM
Think Bournemouth not beating Chelsea will actually deflate them a fair bit.

Well it's more than we'd manage. Oh what I would fucking give for a point from a strong position against Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs to name just three games we got zero from.

Chelsea are very beatable currently. We need to show some bottle v them in two weeks and I reckon we'll get at least a draw. I said that pre Spurs so hopefully no calamity errors from one of the CBs would help aswell.

I believe the error Engels made is a symptom of everything wrong this season. The first instinct should have been to stick his boot through that ball and boot it into the stand. They aren't being drilled to think like that. They are being drilled, it appears, to control it and play nice football.

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:32:52 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).

Aside from one to two players...so only the ten to twenty percent of a match day team then.  We're not good enough in most matches with everybody firing on all cylinders, so god knows how you expect us to do with two of them not pulling their weight.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on February 29, 2020, 09:35:15 PM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: paul_e on February 29, 2020, 09:42:40 PM
I think the mentality of the management team and players is a little more important than those on an internet site.


Exactly.  Whatever gets said on here isn't quite the same as El Ghazi deciding he's had enough after a slight graze to the cheek in a must win game.  That's where we need people rolling their sleeves up, on the field.  If the team wasn't so utterly feeble we'd probably have more confidence that they're capable of getting out of the shit.

How you doing Steve, Newcastle treating you well?

Just to be clear, we really need to get over the idea that we'd be fine if we just tried a bit harder. It's the 2nd myth that Villa fans turn to in a bad run (after accusing the team of not being fit enough). Neither of those things are the problem. Our issue is about personal responsibility and self-confidence, not lack of effort or fitness (aside from 1-2 players).

Aside from one to two players...so only the ten to twenty percent of a match day team then.  We're not good enough in most matches with everybody firing on all cylinders, so god knows how you expect us to do with two of them not pulling their weight.

I meant drinkwater and davis
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: brontebilly on February 29, 2020, 09:48:00 PM
Brighton and Newcastle failing to win gives some hope. Saw a bit of West Ham earlier, as nervous as they were at least they showed a bit of fight and physicality. It was enough to beat Southampton.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on February 29, 2020, 10:03:02 PM
If nothing else, the fact that sheff utd has been postponed give mcginn the chance to play in it...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: supertom on February 29, 2020, 10:13:05 PM
Fuck sake Liverpool. As nailed on a banker as you could want. You'd have put your ruddy house on them winning comfortably...
West Ham and Watford deciding to win the weekend we're off to Wembley. Bloody football. Still...if Watford can beat Liverpool (and even Sloth can score a goal against a side that isn't us), it gives us hope for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on February 29, 2020, 10:25:11 PM
Nowt is changing for a week now.

See you then. Meanwhile I'm off to bed, need it to prepare for tomorrow.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 01, 2020, 12:45:19 AM
We are 3 points from safety with a game in hand. We have 33 points to play for. Thats still a long, long way to go with plenty of twists and turns left. It really is still all about what we do.

Norwich, Bournemouth and Newcastle to get relegated (remember where you heard it first).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 01, 2020, 02:05:37 AM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Sad but very true. Maybe it was the start of the season that Dean thought he was onto something? He wasn't. It's been shite!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 01, 2020, 08:07:11 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 01, 2020, 08:49:40 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.
Norwich have been playing well, West Ham put in a great performance yesterday and Watford beat Liverpool.
Look at our form.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 01, 2020, 08:51:36 AM
I like how people think 20th place Norwich can definitely survive because they won on Friday but weíre doomed despite having a game in hand and four more points.

I think thats down to the fight these trams are showing recently compared to us.

We showed a lot of heart and passion earlier in in the season and now it seems to have gone.

If we get that back we have a chance for sure
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 01, 2020, 10:52:27 AM

Control it and play nice football? What an absolute fucking scandal!

Nice winning football would be great.  Rubbish winning football would do for the next ten games.  Nice, losing football would at least show that improvements could be made.  For most of the last few months, it's been rubbish, losing football.

Seeing as I am getting stick for my comment we would have an extra point if Engels' instinct was to just boot the fucking ball into row z with about 15 seconds on the clock.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: purpletrousers on March 01, 2020, 10:59:02 AM
Thatís true but we could single out every clanger this season, there have been plenty, if only X had/not done Y weíd have Z more points. Either way itís done and we can only contribute by supporting and not getting on their backs before and during games. Interesting comments in the write up about the Watford fans doing exactly that yesterday, *supporting* and not getting at players mistakes.
Iím glad the racist we got kicked out after the Newcastle game has gone, the sort of toxic Ďsupportí a club just doesnít need, constantly getting at our own players. Of course people pay their money and there is free speech, but Iíll never get how easily some fans turn on their players when it could make things worse.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 01, 2020, 11:15:37 AM
Iím hoping thereís one thing weíre all going to agree on, our level is going to have to go up quite a bit and weíre going to have to be much more resilient. Hopefully it can happen, but if we continue at our current level weíll get relegated.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on March 01, 2020, 10:46:15 PM
Disastrous weekend. Little chance of avoiding relegation in my (often wrong) humble opinion.

Letís hope we go down with dignity, not the wimper of last time.

Some dark days ahead for our glorious club Iím afraid.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 01, 2020, 11:07:33 PM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 02, 2020, 05:35:15 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 02, 2020, 05:48:35 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 02, 2020, 06:11:55 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.

Very true.

It would be difficult for anyone to say that Palace or West Ham are unbeatable. We've already beaten Everton, Newcastle and Leicester from the teams we've still to play so we certainly can beat them. Man U, Chelsea and Arsenal are all wildly inconsistent so who knows? There are plenty of points to be had there if we are at it.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2020, 09:05:51 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 09:22:05 AM
The worrying thing is we play monday night and the gap could be extended further. Lets hope for skme luck results wise.

Leicester are gunnibg fir us after we beat them but they ahve hit a bit if a purple patch at the mo.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on March 02, 2020, 09:25:20 AM
They've drawn 2 and lost 2 of their last 4 games since we beat them in the cup.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 02, 2020, 09:30:20 AM
We need a big result at Leicester.  Like Double Diamond, it would work wonders.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 02, 2020, 09:30:34 AM
They've drawn 2 and lost 2 of their last 4 games since we beat them in the cup.

Vardy isnt fit and when he dont play well Leicester tend to struggle.  I personally think we can get something if we show yesterdays team performance.  If its the ine against Southampton we will get tonked.

Id take a point if offered now
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 02, 2020, 10:03:59 AM
I am crossing my fingers and toes that we can dig out 4 wins.
Struggling to see 4 teams we can beat.


Depends which Villa turn up. The Villa against Spurs or Leicester and there's plenty, the Villa against Southampton or Bournemouth and there's none.

Therein lies the problem.

This is the key. I think we have shown enough times that we are capable of competing against any team in the league (yesterday, Liverpool at home, Leicester twice in the cup) but also that we can throw in utterly abject performances (Bournemouth, Southampton, Watford).

If we can have some sort of consistency in our performances to somewhere near the level that we are capable of playing to we should be fine.

Obviously, this also applies to the teams around us. Feels worse as this was a bad weekend where everyone picked up points. But the other teams in the bottom eight picked up a whole one point combined just the weekend before.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 10:05:14 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 10:43:17 AM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

Hopefully it was at a top secret meeting with the Premier League, the referees and copious amounts of money in brown envelopes.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 11:09:03 AM
Chelsea to me is going to be like Spurs.

Team with injuries (looks like Tammy is out) and they must be close to conceding as many goals from corners as we are so that's something for Samatta to exploit.

Like any major team they have good players in attacking midfield and final third but don't think they have the pace of what Spurs did.

Can see it being tight (think Chelsea have won only won twice by two goal margin at VP in 20 years) so we really need to get on the right side of the margins e.g. none of our CBs making ridiculous error in the 94th minute and think we'll get at least a draw from it as Bournemouth did at the weekend.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 12:10:16 PM
Let's not forget John McGinn being back for last 11 games - he could just inspire us similar to Jack's return around this time last year.....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 02, 2020, 12:42:29 PM
He won't be starting all of those games and will need time to build his match fitness up. Could still score a crucial goal or two in the run in from April but I wouldn't be expecting miracles straight away.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 02, 2020, 01:25:13 PM
Would you sign Daniel Sturridge to help the cause? Heís a free agent now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: AV82EC on March 02, 2020, 01:42:12 PM
No
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villadelph on March 02, 2020, 03:02:31 PM
Anyone elseís coworkers particularly annoying today?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: JUAN PABLO on March 02, 2020, 03:15:52 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

they are my picks too
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 02, 2020, 03:31:49 PM
Anyone elseís coworkers particularly annoying today?

No more so than they are on every other single day of my miserable existence.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: supertom on March 02, 2020, 04:25:37 PM
I honestly don't know where the next win comes from.
Leicester - 1pt
Newcastle - 1pt

The two I think we've got the best chance in are Sheffield Utd and Palace. We need to win both, but are we likely to win both?

Chelsea - 1pt (but looking at our record against top 6, it almost feels an inevitable loss)
West Ham - 1pt.
Wolves - 1pt.

At my most optimistic. I think we're looking somewhere between 33 points and 38 (if we can pull of a couple of surprises). 33 won't be enough. 38, by a shade, might be.
Not bricking it...not bricking it at all... :'(

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: john e on March 02, 2020, 04:31:58 PM
have to say I thought we were down after the weekendís results not going our way

but after the final my hopes have been raised again
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 04:39:45 PM
He won't be starting all of those games and will need time to build his match fitness up. Could still score a crucial goal or two in the run in from April but I wouldn't be expecting miracles straight away.

You mean like Jack's thunderbolt against Derby on his return after 4 months out?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Bobby Boy on March 02, 2020, 04:51:48 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 02, 2020, 05:27:33 PM
I'm not convinced Jack's problem was just cramp.  If he's picked up a knock and is out for any period of time, I'd say that's us done and dusted.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 02, 2020, 05:54:47 PM
I'm not convinced Jack's problem was just cramp.  If he's picked up a knock and is out for any period of time, I'd say that's us done and dusted.

Smith was quoted in the B'ham Mail saying it was just cramp....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 02, 2020, 06:40:20 PM
Deulofeu out for the rest of the season. That will hurt Watford.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: David_Nab on March 02, 2020, 06:46:52 PM
I honestly don't know where the next win comes from.
Leicester - 1pt
Newcastle - 1pt

The two I think we've got the best chance in are Sheffield Utd and Palace. We need to win both, but are we likely to win both?

Chelsea - 1pt (but looking at our record against top 6, it almost feels an inevitable loss)
West Ham - 1pt.
Wolves - 1pt.

At my most optimistic. I think we're looking somewhere between 33 points and 38 (if we can pull of a couple of surprises). 33 won't be enough. 38, by a shade, might be.
Not bricking it...not bricking it at all... :'(



It's hard to pick results , as we get closer to end of the season we are going to play teams with differing motivations.An example we could play Liverpool who are champions and having lost the the unbeaten record who knows what performance they will  put in , add that they may rest players for CL

Palace could be safe and have little to play for

Leicester are dropping off and could be without Vardy again , their record of the last month or so inc the cup games against us have been pretty average.

The final one is West Ham , we could go there needing to stay up playing a team now safe coasting on their final home game of the season or a team battling to stay up with us ...

It's a cliche but really need to take each game as it comes now
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 02, 2020, 07:02:53 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: frank black on March 02, 2020, 07:14:48 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂

First team to come to mind for some reason after this comment wasnít us. It was Leeds, after they finally look like promotion certainties 😂
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on March 02, 2020, 07:17:31 PM
Ironic that a recurring problem in recent years has been too many draws and we may get relegated because we didnít get enough of the buggers.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ROBBO on March 02, 2020, 08:37:29 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

On the after game show on beinsports, he talked about the teams facing relegation and said it was crazy for teams fighting to stay up to play out from the back as it put too much pressure on defenders and said if the ball is in the opposition half there is no danger.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 02, 2020, 08:39:29 PM
Fat Sam went for my picks Norwich, Brighton and Bournemouth hope he's right.

Oh really? Where was this?

On the after game show on beinsports, he talked about the teams facing relegation and said it was crazy for teams fighting to stay up to play out from the back as it put too much pressure on defenders and said if the ball is in the opposition half there is no danger.

Thanks for that.

I said something similar about the Engels mistake against Spurs and some didn't take too kindly!

More seriously, I agree, safety first should be the mantra when in our position.Grind out some points.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: London Villan on March 02, 2020, 09:18:29 PM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2020, 04:29:31 AM
What did Engels mistake against Spurs had to do with playing out from the back?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Scovilla on March 03, 2020, 06:35:12 AM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.


When is he expected to return?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 03, 2020, 06:59:53 AM
When McGinn returns we'll be stronger than we've been at any other point of the season.


When is he expected to return?

Another 2 weeks away.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on March 03, 2020, 08:00:27 AM
What did Engels mistake against Spurs had to do with playing out from the back?

Because he tried to trap a ball out of the sky instead of giving it a great big welly back from whence it came?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robbo1874 on March 03, 2020, 08:18:18 AM
I know it was gutting losing the cup final, but in a cruel way itís given me a bit of belief now that we can stop up. Honestly expected to get annihilated in the final, but we dug in and couldíve easily taken it to extra time, but for the tip onto the post. Game on after that. Hopefully it gives the whole squad and management the belief we can do it (if they ever lacked it).
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 03, 2020, 08:31:54 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on March 03, 2020, 08:42:30 AM
Here's an article that paints the (rather obvious) picture for us.
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/mar/02/aston-villa-take-heart-race-against-time-premier-league#comment-138645538
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2020, 08:59:32 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 03, 2020, 09:10:19 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

That would be arbitrary.

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cumbriavilla on March 03, 2020, 09:15:03 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
But we have a game in hand...that would be unfair.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 03, 2020, 10:38:50 AM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

That would be arbitrary.

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
Suggestion is now games to be played behind close doors.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 03, 2020, 01:25:29 PM
This season may not be completed if Covid-19 develops as it appears to be. The Swiss football season has already been suspended.....
Which should mean no promotions or relegations this season.😂😂😂
The report I saw said if they decide to cancel the three in the bottom three at the time will down.  Just our luck that we've hovered above it for weeks but are now in it!!
They have 2 choices , cancel the season or complete the season.
If they arbitrarily relegated teams without completing the season they would be subject to massive law suits.

Given that we're looking at probably 12 months before there's a widely available vaccine, calling a cut-off of this season now would be a bit daft when chances are you still couldn't start a new one in August anyway. It'd be weird, and the world would become a very peculiar place to the likes of us lot, but the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 03, 2020, 04:23:35 PM

The criteria should be:-

First, any teams with a German manager/head coach.

If that does not fill all of the relegation places, next any team holding the registration of a player named Troy Deeney.
That is an excellent, fair and just criteria. No one will argue against that. If you change your name to Dickdistard Distard E you will be eminently qualified to be the next General Secretary of the United Nations.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ian c. on March 03, 2020, 07:55:02 PM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Taylor on March 03, 2020, 09:07:19 PM
Why not give the decision on relegation to a trusted, valued member of the British establishment. Let's say, ooh I don't know, Prince William.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 08:09:44 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 04, 2020, 08:55:58 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! Thatís typical.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Duncan Shaw on March 04, 2020, 09:00:41 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! That’s typical.
Yep, just like Manure that year when Van Persie scored all those offside goals!!
As long as 'The Mighty Reds YNWA''s collapse doesn't continue against Bournemouth!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 10:06:32 AM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Of FFS! Thatís typical.

I know. Even if they win all four the firat home game as champions will be against us. Hopefully they drop more points before then so they can win the titke by tine we play them.

But i definitely wont be watching if there is any remote chance of them being champs. Cant stomach the sky wankfest
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Lastfootstamper on March 04, 2020, 10:23:50 AM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.

There's no answer that allows everyone to simply carry on as usual. This either gets taken seriously and whatever is decided as the best course of action for the country is applicable to everyone and everything, or it isn't. Like you, ian, I can't see a middle ground.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: mallo on March 04, 2020, 12:30:16 PM
... the way to go would be a 12 month suspension with everything left as it stands now, then pick up again at the same point next year.

How would the clubs cover their running costs during that period?  I fear that there wouldn't be too many left after a 12 month suspension.  Even playing behind closed doors will put massive strain on lower league clubs who depend on gate receipts to pay wages.

There's no answer that allows everyone to simply carry on as usual. This either gets taken seriously and whatever is decided as the best course of action for the country is applicable to everyone and everything, or it isn't. Like you, ian, I can't see a middle ground.

The question is - what would all those fans do if not at the match? - the answer would probably be in a more infectious environment.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 04, 2020, 01:47:57 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 04, 2020, 01:56:55 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Selling live bats in Wuhan market? *






* yes yes yes, I know, it didn't really start that way.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: fredm on March 04, 2020, 04:24:16 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Numerous pockets of supporters crammed into public houses, watching the matches on television, and pushing past one another to reach the bar/toilets/outside for a fag.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: russon on March 04, 2020, 06:34:56 PM
Looking at the fixtures liverpool need four wins to  win the title. The 4th game is city away unlikey they will wrap it on that game. So that means the title wankfest will likely be against us.

Thats going to be unbearable 😡

Indeed, a prospect to fair curdle the blood and well and truly put a tin hat on our season. At least the away supportís vomathon will make it in the Guinness Book of Records, small consolation but Iím desperate to leave this season with a positive.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on March 04, 2020, 06:39:17 PM
More infection than being rammed into a stadium with 42,000 other people?  What on earth have you hot in mind that could be more infectious than that, visiting hospital wards full of virus sufferers?

Selling live bats in Wuhan market? *






* yes yes yes, I know, it didn't really start that way.

It did, didn't it?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 04, 2020, 08:17:02 PM
Leicester looking really poor against blose.

Johnny evans looks like he has picked up a bad injury
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: VinnieChase84 on March 05, 2020, 05:17:47 PM
Imagine us getting relegated while the games are played behind closed doors..... talk about depressing as f**k
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 07, 2020, 05:02:00 PM
Overall good set of results today. We need to capitalise now and take advantage.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 07, 2020, 05:03:32 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2020, 05:04:41 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......


We couldn't have asked for much better from todays games.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 07, 2020, 05:17:36 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......


We couldn't have asked for much better from todays games.

Agree, apart from Newcastle losing instead of Southampton... But that's being really picky.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 07, 2020, 05:21:31 PM
Would've liked Brighton to lose aswell as they have a very tough run in.

Overall though it's important points needed to finish 17th stays as low as possible. If 35 is what is needed we still have a pretty good chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2020, 05:22:06 PM
Brighton are more a direct rival than Noocassil and I expected Wolves to beat them, so even though it was a draw, that was the one blemish on results today.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 07, 2020, 05:45:12 PM
Much  better day today. 2 points from safety with 2 games in hand.

Right now, would be delighted with a point on Monday and would then target a point against Chelsea. A point at Newcastle wouldn't be bad if we then go all out to beat Palace and Sheff Utd at home. Can see us raising our game against Wolves also...

I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

We can do this if we become a little bit harder to beat.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SheffieldVillain on March 07, 2020, 05:47:31 PM
I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

Yes. Tap it around for 89 minutes pretending to be playing for the draw and then score in the last minute to send them down. I like this idea.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on March 07, 2020, 05:47:40 PM
I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

I'll take that providing we beat them.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on March 07, 2020, 06:13:26 PM
Newcastle removed.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: olaftab on March 07, 2020, 06:40:43 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
It has always been in our own hands.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: eamonn on March 07, 2020, 06:45:46 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 07, 2020, 06:49:41 PM
A pretty good day today results wise. At least our fate is in our own hands......
It has always been in our own hands.


I know have an unpleasant ear worm of the Nottingham Forest team singing 'We Got The Whole World In Our Hands'.

"And Peter the keeper with nothing to do...."
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on March 07, 2020, 06:57:09 PM
We just need to pull of an Ďunexpected Ď win against one of the top teams. Leicester would do for a start.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 07, 2020, 07:00:34 PM
2 games in hand if we win those we really do have a excellent chance.

A point would be a great result for us.  We have to show fight heart and passion now like we did against citeh.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 07, 2020, 09:47:12 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

The good thing is SJM will play in the rearranged games. He's been sorely missed since that injury.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 07, 2020, 10:12:18 PM
Much  better day today. 2 points from safety with 2 games in hand.

Right now, would be delighted with a point on Monday and would then target a point against Chelsea. A point at Newcastle wouldn't be bad if we then go all out to beat Palace and Sheff Utd at home. Can see us raising our game against Wolves also...

I personally would take a situation where both ourselves and West Ham can stay up with a draw on the final day!

We can do this if we become a little bit harder to beat.

Quite a few posters on various threads keep mentioning Sheff Utd game one to target for a win. I think this is based on nothing other than there called Sheff Utd. Form wise, I think itíll be one of our toughest games, there good at home and better away. I actually fancy us against Chelsea, Man Utd and arsenal more than Sheff Utd.

Given that Southampton have now lost 5 out of the last 6, our result/performance a couple of weeks ago looks even worse now. But we played ok last week and showed heart which will be really important for coming weeks. I just really hope we turn up on Monday. Without stupidly gun ho, we need to take some risks now, we need wins and the quicker the better.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Meanwood Villa on March 07, 2020, 10:14:06 PM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

Let's be honest our record hasn't been good full stop this season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: robleflaneur on March 08, 2020, 12:54:43 AM
It's  been the teams that scrap and battle and relatively defensively solid teams that have escaped the relegation dogfight,Palace,Burnley and Newcastle-first goal in 7 hrs, are midtable but rarely produce scintillating performances.An indictement of the quality of this league.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villatillidie1982 on March 08, 2020, 01:10:58 AM
The bottom of this league. The top is a world away, although we best Leicester and should have taken Man City to extra time.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on March 08, 2020, 08:46:32 AM
Good results for us yesterday. Taking advantage of them is the difficult thing. To be honest I'd rather be in west hams place than ours.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 08, 2020, 09:16:45 AM
Any idea as to when our games with t'Blades and Barcodes will be rescheduled? Don't think our record is good in weekend to midweek turn-around games this season.

I like to work these things out and have these dates as potential for the 2 rearranged matches

Wednesday 1st April
Tuesday Wednesday April 7th/8th
Tuesday or Wednesday April 14/15th
Wednesday or Thursday April 22nd /23rd
Tuesday Wednesday Thursday May 5th May 6th/7th

Some other dates could come into play if Liverpool European qualified and that match gets changed on the Easter day same we also have to consider to factor in Man Utd at home too.
And that rearranged could be dependent on their Fa Cup and then Europa League commitments.

I think Sheff United - 1st April /8th April
And Newcastle Utd -around 8th/14th April

Man Utd 22nd /23rd April
Or made final home game on 12th or 13th may

Those are my educated guess' though premier league does like to group rearranged  matches together for a midweek programme in May . Maybe they will do it in April?

Happens every season however I don't think should be putting Sheffield Utd match back till may maybe Newcastle though they have to play rearranged match with Man City as well whatever happens in the Fa Cup.
So I'll put up those dates all things considered.
No official announcement of course but I can only give you what I think
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 08, 2020, 09:21:17 AM
Good results for us yesterday. Taking advantage of them is the difficult thing. To be honest I'd rather be in west hams place than ours.

Literally i would never trade Villa park for that London stadium ??? ;)
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Newby on March 08, 2020, 10:38:52 AM
Let's hope Liverpool continue to be flat when we play them, Wolves are knackered from their European adventures and Man United have all their eggs in one basket in terms of the FA Cup. I will take any old straw to grab at.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 08, 2020, 02:45:55 PM
I think 37 points would keep us up. Average a point a game from now to the end of the season.

That's why I think draws in our next two would be good results providing we get something at Newcastle and target 3 wins from: Palace at home, Sheff Utd at home, Wolves at home, Man U at home and Arsenal at home.

Would take the pressure off the West Ha, game.

Such a shame we lost our last 3 games. If we had a point or two more on the board, 2 more wins with a pile of draws might just be enough.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richie on March 08, 2020, 05:35:59 PM
Looking at the run ins of the other teams compared to ours, Iím seriously fearing the worst. They look to have winnable games whereas youíd have to say we are odds against in all remaining 11 matches. Brighton look to have a shocking run in but the extra 4 points they currently have on us looks crucial. We desperately need to pick up points against Leicester and Chelsea to give ourselves a fighting chance.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 12:33:20 AM
-Have opposition as much distraction as possible with European matches Liverpool Wolves and Man utd. Like it or not root for theses teams to go far .

-which teams  don't have such motivation to play for something in the league
So arguably  Crystal Palace , Everton  Arsenal , Newcastle match could be the main targets for the 3 wins .
And those scamps Liverpool. Who we need to still be in European competition as our Easter fixture falls in the middle of their quarter finals. And hopefully they have the league.

Now the others such as Chelsea , Sheff Utd, Wolves , Man Utd are all champions league chasers with this 5th place stuff.
Though it will be interesting when the matches get rearranged.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 12:43:05 AM
I think 37 points would keep us up. Average a point a game from now to the end of the season.

That's why I think draws in our next two would be good results providing we get something at Newcastle and target 3 wins from: Palace at home, Sheff Utd at home, Wolves at home, Man U at home and Arsenal at home.

Would take the pressure off the West Ha, game.

Such a shame we lost our last 3 games. If we had a point or two more on the board, 2 more wins with a pile of draws might just be enough.

Villa can stay up by just winning 2 more matches and having  3 or 4 or 5 or 6 draws.
That gives 36-39pts total which would be  enough to survive
Obviously more wins than draws would see safety quicker..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 07:59:38 AM
Dont want to be negative but trying to stay up with a empty stadium at villa park doesnt inspire me with much confidence.

We know what a key role the fans play at villa park
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 09:31:10 AM
But on the other hand, we might have a better chance at an empty West Ham ground if the last game of the season proves vital.

Would be pretty rubbish if games get played behind closed doors starting this weekend, admittedly, as we would be the most disadvantaged team in the entire league. Only Man City have played as few home games as us, and they host Arsenal on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 09, 2020, 09:37:12 AM
Might also help us pick up points away though which weíll need. Iím watching Juve v Inter and itís weird to hear the players shout for each other (although I donít know any Italian).

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Demitri_C on March 09, 2020, 09:38:11 AM
They should ahve done this when it was first reported it is a little bit late as the spreads got pretty bad
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 09:41:38 AM
France have also banned meetings of more than a thousand people, so effectively meaning games will have to be played behind closed doors. Olympiacos' game against Wolves is being played in an empty stadium, too. Although, if you give them a few years, Wolves will still be claiming that they took 70,000 fans there.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2020, 10:28:47 AM
France have also banned meetings of more than a thousand people, so effectively meaning games will have to be played behind closed doors. Olympiacos' game against Wolves is being played in an empty stadium, too. Although, if you give them a few years, Wolves will still be claiming that they took 70,000 fans there.

It's a shame they can't just close two stands, they'd feel right at home then.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: cdbullyweefan on March 09, 2020, 10:41:58 AM
They could close two and have one fifty yards from the pitch. Would mean there was less chance of players catching it from the fans, too.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: LeeB on March 09, 2020, 11:04:51 AM
They could close two and have one fifty yards from the pitch. Would mean there was less chance of players catching it from the fans, too.

They could restrict the crowd to about 3500 as well, and force the other fans to follow the likes of Liverpool and Man Utd.

Like they did in the eighties.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 09, 2020, 03:14:18 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 09, 2020, 05:56:22 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)




I have just seen the front page of the Sun's 'Goals' pull out from Saturday whilst waiting in the Indian takeaway. Apparently some number crunchers have calculated the mathematical chances of the struggling teams to go down.

Southampton 1% chance of going down
Newcastle 5%
West Ham 27%
Watford 30%
Brighton 41%
Villa 54%
Bournemouth 54%
Norwich 88%
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2020, 05:58:49 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)




I have just seen the front page of the Sun's 'Goals' pull out from Saturday whilst waiting in the Indian takeaway. Apparently some number crunchers have calculated the mathematical chances of the struggling teams to go down.

Southampton 1% chance of going down
Newcastle 5%
West Ham 27%
Watford 30%
Brighton 41%
Villa 54%
Bournemouth 54%
Norwich 88%
That looks about right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: levico on March 09, 2020, 08:47:19 PM
Just watching us playing Leicester. Forget all the stats and probabilities etc, weíre going down. Neither the players nor the manager has any clue how to fight this. Pathetic.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: wince on March 09, 2020, 08:52:51 PM
Fuck smith out of the club. Nice bloke but no clear plan whatsoever. Even Bruce would have gotten us stable. Yet another shit appointment and to those who will jump on me about promotion and a cup final, neither went to plan did they? Fuck him off and get inevitable rebuild underway. This is embarrassing now and we deserve to drop
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2020, 08:56:46 PM
Feels like we gift the opposition at least 1 goal every game now. It's one thing to be outplayed, it's another to keep making pathetic individual mistakes that would see players booted out from the Bromsgrove side.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 09:07:05 PM
Smith and Terry should have been sacked in December.

You have to be ruthless in football, no room for sentiment. The players were clearly demoralised by the shite points total despite being in most games in the first quarter of the season.

Since then morale and form have fallen apart.

Joke.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villabear on March 09, 2020, 09:17:24 PM
Talking to mates just after Christmas and put the idea of sacking Smith as we were going down in my opinion. I said with all the money at stake give (please forgive me) Sam Allardyce the job on a short term contract till the end of the season to try and keep us up.

Iíve no idea if heíd be any better with these players but Iím no more positive about our plight now than a few weeks ago.

ps. Feel a bit dirty even mentioning it but...
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 09:19:08 PM
Most clubs in our position would have gone for Big Sam.

Everton haven't been relegated for that reason. How many others?

Why do villa think it's not worth doing fucking everything you can to try stay up?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on March 09, 2020, 09:25:13 PM
It's Norwich, us, and one other.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on March 09, 2020, 09:32:12 PM
We're going aren't we. We're laughably poor.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 09:35:57 PM
Given the last decade I had the feeling the Son Heung Min goal would really impact on us and well it's not looking good, two awful away performances since in the league. That goal effectively relegated us.

Probably be huff and puff v Chelsea on Saturday but it's a stretch to see us even winning two more games this season and we won't be close to staying up if we even manage that.

I still think DS will be here in August but going down with a real whimper will put a serious question mark on that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 09, 2020, 09:38:39 PM
First time i've thought we're fucked. We look a team that's already done.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 09, 2020, 09:38:52 PM
We're going aren't we. We're laughably poor.
We have all those traits,
We give up winning positions, we make huge errors and throw points away like confetti.
We donít challenge the refs when we are on the end of poor decisions. Donít score from or defend corners.
Lack leadership, we have no real shape or system.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ad@m on March 09, 2020, 09:39:30 PM
Yep, no desire, no belief, no bravery. This side stinks of relegation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 09:44:39 PM
If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: richtheholtender on March 09, 2020, 09:53:06 PM
Not only do I think weíll drop but I also think this time round could be our Leeds. Itís going to be yet another rebuild.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 09, 2020, 10:22:26 PM
First time i've thought we're fucked. We look a team that's already done.

Afraid I agree. Itís the lack of winning any second balls which is hard to stomach, it just looks like a lack of desire.

Just before their 3rd we had possibly our only half decent attack of second half, balls intercepted from a Davies through ball and I swear 3 of our players are a half yard nearer the ball than their defender who inevitably wins the ball and kicks off a counter.

It happened all night and all of them inc grealish, with the possible exception of Nakamba in very small doses, made no where near enough effort.

Other than trying Davies and Samatta up front, I donít know where we go, clutching at straws now.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: ez on March 09, 2020, 10:31:35 PM
The towel was thrown in tonight. Smith has lost the dressing room. Nobody wanted the ball. Grealish looks like he's had enough now. I dont blame him.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 09, 2020, 10:37:27 PM
Not only do I think weíll drop but I also think this time round could be our Leeds. Itís going to be yet another rebuild.

I don't really get that though.

Last time we went down we were a proper basketcase Sunderland type club. We got up within three years. Could've easily been two if we'd actually turned up for the first hour v Fulham.

We did that with a kid in sweet shop owner and safety first manager.

If these owners are as good as most think they are they will make a big decision on DS future, appoint a competant manager for the level below and more importantly instruct him to sign proven players for that level.

We actually did that under Xia albeit by just throwing money at anything that moved but we still had a more than good squad if not one that could adapt to premier league.

Being a good board isn't just taking credit when we get promoted, it's showing good leadership and decision making going forward when we had to sell a key player like Grealish.

That day is coming this summer. Leicester sold one of their best players for 70m last summer but you wouldn't know it watching them tonight.

Now that is a superbly run club from the top imo especially after the tragedy of last season.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on March 09, 2020, 10:39:44 PM
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If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.
If we don't even reach 30 points (which looks a very strong possibility now) I think he'll be sacked.

We were on 25 points after beating Watford on January 21st ffs. And have winnable games straight after.

Poor poor poor.

Getting to the final has ruined us. 25 points with 14 to play should have been relatively comfortable. I've said it before but Smith doesn't know how to draw a match and that's crucial in the Prem
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 09, 2020, 10:47:51 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: CT on March 09, 2020, 10:56:18 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Only one question. Where's all the "rousing" and "fighting" coming from?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Newby on March 09, 2020, 11:01:11 PM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Only one question. Where's all the "rousing" and "fighting" coming from?

Must be outside the ground because it's certainly not happening on the pitch. 
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: myf on March 09, 2020, 11:43:39 PM
 crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villan82 on March 09, 2020, 11:46:48 PM
crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept

Staying up was paramount. I am so angry with the club. I would have happily gone out in round two of the league cup just to prioritise survival. Staying up was everything-
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: OzVilla on March 09, 2020, 11:51:17 PM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2020, 12:18:16 AM
I really don't think getting to the league cup final has significantly hurt us.

Ultimately we've stopped trying in away games (not that the away form has been great all season) and that's pretty unforgivable in this situation.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 12:47:25 AM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.



My thoughts exactly. Some of the performances of late really have been down there with anything the class of 2015 could muster. Absolute dog shit.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2020, 12:53:12 AM
Anybody that watched our last 4 league games, Bournemouth, Spurs, Southampton and Leicester and still thinks weíll stay up needs sectioning. 3 of arguably our worst performances of the season and the other we gifted a win. All of those teams were and are on terrible runs accept when they play us.

We are genuinely awful.



My thoughts exactly. Some of the performances of late really have been down there with anything the class of 2015 could muster. Absolute dog shit.

We conceded exactly two goals a game on average that season, and so far we're on course to match that.  Well done Dean, it takes some going to be as crap as that.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2020, 06:33:52 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Three Spires Villa on March 10, 2020, 06:45:02 AM
The home matches are where it's at now.
That game in hand v Sheffield utd and a rousing performance ,some how , vs Chelsea and still fighting chance.
Leicester didn't even have to do so much to win the match tonight which was most frustrating.
Other than the first 10 minutes and a period before the 3rd goal Villa never in it.
However playing the 3rd best team and that was a match which was difficult to get something from.
Liverpool away will be the other perhaps
Apart from that the rest of the fixtures are down to villa and how they perform

Do you really, really think we are going to start winning games? Why should we beat Sheffield United? They are a good team. We are going down because of inept performances against teams around us, with the exception of Norwich away. Watford and Southampton should have sealed his fate. Dean should have been sacked then. Before the ďkeep the faithĒ brigade start, oh yes itís my fault because I walked into the ground last night not believing we would win, because as fans we can mind control the game!!! Dean Smith (this season) is not a Premiership manager and at the end of the season Aston Villa will not be a premier league club.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: TheMalandro on March 10, 2020, 06:53:33 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.

Iíve watched Norwich more than Iím comfortable with this season and you get the impression that they are a little unlucky to be bottom, that they are one or two players away from being a reasonable side.

We have no shape, allow teams to completely dominate us, give space in the box and are completely one dimensional in attack.
I have zero belief in this side.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2020, 07:05:58 AM
This is it, weíre disorganised in defence, passive in midfield, and donít appear to have a plan in attack. Those are three pretty critical failings and itís why weíll get relegated.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: clash city rocker on March 10, 2020, 07:13:24 AM
crashing out the Prem and replaced with dirty Leeds and the boggies, Liverpool champions and dogheads flying. 2 trips to the Sty next season and having to play Cov. grealish at Manure. Jesus wept

Reading this has just ruined my day.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: in exile on March 10, 2020, 07:30:08 AM
As poor as last night was, as poor as our season has been, I shall still be at Villa Park next season cheering us on albeit in the Championship
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Ads on March 10, 2020, 07:32:22 AM
When you give up goals and chances as easily as we do, you cannot hope to stay up;

Reina's utter stupidity for the first
Beaten at his near post twice
The shambles at corners in failing to mark
The 5 or 6 times in the first half alone we passed ourselves into trouble
The ease teams break beyond our midfield

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?

The absence of any attacking structure. Last night Leicester breezed back into form without being particularly good. They made the pitch big, with Barnes and Albrighton playing very high and very wide.

What was our method? What were we hoping to achieve?

That Reina mistake was so bad, it killed any hope. The absence of organisation has been there all season, but it's only getting worse.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: WarszaVillan82 on March 10, 2020, 07:38:57 AM
The total lack of organisation is beyond me. We don't have a great squad, but I also don't think its the worst. But all season teams have been able to walk through and take free headers from corners, etc. This is totally down to the management, who unfortunately are being shown to be out of their depth.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Damo70 on March 10, 2020, 07:40:41 AM
I am still shell shocked after last night's debacle. We are sleep walking to relegation. We haven't conducted ourselves like a big club since MON left. We should have got Big Sam in weeks ago.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 09:29:42 AM

Then you couple that with playing Championship players against teams with a lot of quality, what are you realistically expecting? Elmo and Hourihane, just why?


Is there a viable alternative though? Not disagreeing but we have too many players/position where the limitations and weaknesses severely outweighs their strengths.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: aj2k77 on March 10, 2020, 09:32:47 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2020, 10:39:55 AM
We are consistently terrible. It is unacceptable.

Iíve watched Norwich more than Iím comfortable with this season and you get the impression that they are a little unlucky to be bottom, that they are one or two players away from being a reasonable side.

We have no shape, allow teams to completely dominate us, give space in the box and are completely one dimensional in attack.
I have zero belief in this side.



They're the same as us, simply can't defend. If they'd signed a Mings type CB they'd probably be 17th.

Worth noting they won the championship last season conceding nearly 60 goals so pretty much the same as us.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: chrisw1 on March 10, 2020, 10:54:49 AM
Being fair, Elmo was at times last season struggling to look like he was a good Championship player, he should be nowhere near a Premier team's line up. Smith just looks like he's shuffling the pack and hoping to hit something. There's 10 games left and he doesn't know which formation suits the players he purchased or his best 11. It's pathetically poorly organised.

Maybe the tools he has at his disposal just aren't good enough. We're getting found out the longer the season goes on which isn't a surprise really, it often happens with newly promoted sides. I was just too optimistic earlier in the season as I felt we'd do ok and that Sheff United would be the ones found out, however, their strength and system has really helped....
Exactly this.  Wesley was just a ridiculous gamble that didn't pay off.  Marv and Doug have good potential but were just the wrong players for us at the time given our circumstances.  Trez much the same, but worse than these two.

Ignoring loans and trying to move too quickly to the 'young and hungry' model has done for us.  Again.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Fred Crump on March 10, 2020, 11:02:57 AM
Agree. Itís just possible that in future Luiz , El Ghazi , Wesley and Freddie might do well enough in a stronger side at another club ( like Veretout, Gana , Westwood, Lowton and Adama ) but right now, when it counts,thereís too many of them who simply arenít good enough to keep us up.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 11:37:43 AM
Without going over old ground, with regards to the recruitment, we essentially came up as quite a mess of a squad really.

Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: phantom limb on March 10, 2020, 12:12:08 PM
I donít think it was so much ignoring aspects of the market, itís being limited in what we were able to spend. This is why we spent so little in January despite three major injuries, and there are still championship clubs screeching about our spend from last year.

We had to quickly assemble a squad and we know that three of the main summer targets that Smith wanted we were quoted big money for. So they took a gamble on a lot of these players, most of whom will probably go on to have decent careers much like Traore, Vertout, Gaye etc. Chucking them all in at once and hoping everything would work out ok was the problem.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Drummond on March 10, 2020, 03:57:33 PM
The form guide over the past number of games has to give us hope, particularly if we can tighten the defence, the Man City defeat has quite an effect on the goal difference).

Matches   Position
4              17th (lower than Southampton, West Ham and Brighton and above Norwich on goal difference)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

After last night this has obviously changed......

Matches   Position
4              20th (We have 0 points and Bournemouth - 1 point, Norwich, Southampton, West Ham, Brighton - 3 points, the teams above)
6              20th (lower than Watford, Norwich, Bournemouth and Brighton on goal difference)
8              18th (lower than Norwich and Bournemouth on goal difference)
10            16th (lower than Newcastle on goal diffference)

So basically, whilst the only change is the 4 match streak, it really isn't good viewing. We're in the shit on recent form is the takeaway fact.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 10, 2020, 04:04:06 PM
Contracted to the club, we had two players of good Premiership quality, maybe 4/5 that should be useful within a squad at this level and one or two promising kids. And that was literally it. That scale of rebuild is pretty unprecedented.

Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.

I like what Sheffield Utd have done.
And they have players of John Lundstrum and John Fleck. Who may not have been suggested as premier league players but have done very well
Players that fit the mould.
Villa were making deals with idea to protect financier and put out some clever marketing with signing the Brazilians.
When  some were risks all ends up with nothing outfield proven coming in till January.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Des Little on March 10, 2020, 04:39:59 PM
Last night was yet another example of just how poor our players are, compared to the standard in the Prem. Wayward passes, dreadful control and hesitancy in movement were all there for all to see. It was the same at Saints and Bournemouth; we lack the most basic requirements of players to compete at this level. Thatís why we will drop like a stone.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: villa for life on March 10, 2020, 04:46:11 PM
We always complain about the players, though...

Yet time and time again, a fair few of our flops go on to do fairly well and many end up playing in the premiership with other sides and look ok.

I think itís the managerís experience that has cost us this season..

So frustrating that all parts never seem to click at the same time..
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: hilts_coolerking on March 10, 2020, 04:51:32 PM
Could the recruitment have been better? Yes. Were we naive to ignore some aspects of the market? Almost certainly. We gambled that the players would improve enough and come together across the season and at the moment it looking like it wonít quite work but it was a really tough position to be in and a difficult job to get right.
Difficult, but not impossible.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: DrGonzo on March 10, 2020, 04:55:49 PM
We should be capable of defending a corner.  You can teach young teenagers how to pick up a runner and get between them and the ball.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Luke8 on March 10, 2020, 06:57:37 PM

So basically, whilst the only change is the 4 match streak, it really isn't good viewing. We're in the shit on recent form is the takeaway fact.

Is it too optimistic/clutching at straws to say (hope) that if the form guide of the previous ten games repeats itself for the rest of the season that we stay up above West Ham and Bournemouth?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 10:29:55 PM
Athletico winning through means Liverpool don't have to take the Villa game so easy.
Would rather have them distracted by the European champions league
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Axl Rose on March 11, 2020, 10:32:58 PM
Athletico winning through means Liverpool don't have to take the Villa game so easy.
Would rather have them distracted by the European champions league

We have no chance of getting anything from that match anyway, footy. I think, anyway.

They could put out the team that last won the league and we'd still struggle.

Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Vill I An on March 11, 2020, 10:45:31 PM
I have faint optimisation with the whole 5-0 victory in Carabo .factually Liverpool biggest beating this season !
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Villafirst on March 14, 2020, 06:50:32 AM
No worries now about the Liverpool away game. Season will be void....
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: tony scott on March 14, 2020, 10:15:25 AM
Could we have none added to the list?
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Legion on March 14, 2020, 10:48:06 AM
Bloody Covid-19, buggering up my poll.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Richard E on March 14, 2020, 09:39:57 PM
Lock the thread!!!
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on March 15, 2020, 07:08:12 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: Mister E on March 15, 2020, 07:49:13 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
We've only just become a bottom-threer.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: themossman on March 15, 2020, 08:03:54 PM
Would Southampton still go on that basis? Hilarious  prospect, even if thereís no chance thatís happening.
Title: Re: Relegation Watch
Post by: nigel on March 15, 2020, 10:26:19 PM
I wonder if theyíd consider a whoís been in the bottom 3 average for the season to decide?
What would the bottom 3 look like?

Iíd guess Watford and Norwich would take up two places with the third between us, Bournemouth and WHU
We've only just become a bottom-threer.

Would Southampton still go on that basis? Hilarious  prospect, even if thereís no chance thatís happening.

Thought weíd popped into bottom 3 a couple of times?

Iíd forgotten about Southampton!
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