Mahmoud Hassan (Trezeguet) - SOLD

[paul_e]

Exactly, he probably tries too hard with that and is running running himself out of position at times.

[ChicagoLion]

Exactly, he probably tries too hard with that and is running running himself out of position at times.

There are some players when you realize  they are coming on, your heart sinks.
But I allways know that Trez will try and get into the game and occasionally he does get some reward.
Not a lost cause IMO.

[paul_e]

Nope, as above I don't think he's had a great season but I also don't think he's anything like as bad as some people are suggesting and I'd like to see him get at last some of next season to see if he can step up a level, I think a bit of coaching and some work on the mental side of his game and he can be a decent premier league player, certainly enough to be a squad option for a team that's reallistically aiming for mid-table.

If we go down I think he'd be very good in the championship.

[Clark W Griswold]

Oh joy.

Anyway, i think there's a player in there somewhere.

Likeable chap too, albeit he's been pretty shit so far.

[hilts_coolerking]

His Villa career to date has consisted of one or two undeniably brilliant moments but not a lot else.

[paul_e]

His Villa career to date has consisted of one or two undeniably brilliant moments and a lot of work pressing defenders for little reward but not a lot else.

I think the bold bit is more accurate and is why I think he'll get better.

[Ian.]

He’s decent enough and will get better. I love his attitude.

[manic-road]

For me have to hold my hands up as he's being too many times disappointing.
And on general note of signings that are loans and refusing to take that option in summer meant we never went for likes of
Harry Wilson loan
Ademola Lookman loan
Kennedy Loan
Patrick Roberts loan
Heck even a move for likes of Mkhitarayan on loan

The point being in Villa position bringing in some of these players who are young and upcoming may have been more beneficial than the take on likes of Trez. (Who I do rate but his adapting is taking a while.)

What's frustration is that Villa end up taking Drinkwater when in summer there could have been a few loan options to take on
I would rather have taken Ampadu on loan from Chelsea.

Ideally Cahill , Sturridge, Callum Robinson , Phil Billing and Maupay are all players could have gone and purchased. And why Bowen was never bought either in summer or in winter window beats me.
Add to a couple of loans of Lookman and Wilson out wide that would have been far more suitable for the situation.

And would have been wise to keep Whelan on .

Glad we didn't get Sturridge, been released due to a prolonged ban.

[Demitri_C]

You'd think that after writing Adama Traore off as shit after less than a season Villa fans might have developed a bit of patience but it appears not.

As a squad we've not been good enough but a big part of that has been how naive we are because of the lack of any meaningful premier league experience other than Heaton in the starting 11. Elmo and Taylor have experience but aren't as good as Guilbert and Targett so we lose as much as we gain by playing them. Drinkwater has loads of experience but isn't fit enough to be an upgrade and trying to get him fit hasn't helped with results.

So long as we stay up (and I really do think we will) all of the players who joined in the summer will have a better idea of what playing in this league means and we'll have a summer to work on improving them as well as adding quality to the squad. If players still don't look up to it by November-ish than I think we can say they're not suited to the league and look at moving them on but as it stands the only player from the summer I'd be ok to see leave is Jota and that's purely because if a 28/29 year old isn't making matchday squads then I don't see the point in keeping them, The same applies to Taylor and Lansbury (I know they do sometimes make the squad but they're not regulars).

How has trez shown any remote potential than traore had? You could see traore had a hell of a lot of potential when he came but was poorly utilised by sherwood. Also he came raw from barcelona. If im not mistaken he was 19 as well. Trez is older. This teams a lot better than the one traore came in from.

I think there is absolutely no comparison between those two tbh.

The comparison isn't about potential or overall ability, Traore was raw and we expected too much so when he didn't deliver what we hoped he got written off as shit. With Trez it's similar, I think people saw comments from egyptian fans and heard about his following and expected him to be great. From that he clearly hasn't been as good as we hoped but he's still scored some important goals and got some key assists, for me the biggest problem is that he's just trying too hard.

I think he has the technical ability, work rate and enough pace (I think he's pretty quick but he's half a yard too slow in his head at the minute so he's not using his pace very well) to be effective but he's taken a big step up in standard to join us and I think he's still working out what does and doesn't work at this level.

If he carries on as he has then he'll finish the season with 5-7 goals and a similar amount of assists, having been involved in a goal roughly once every 2 games (in terms of time on the pitch), I personally think that's a decent return for a guy who cost us peanuts (by premier league standards). Same as AEG I've seen enough to think we'd get twice what we paid already and he's young enough that he'll get better so I'm happy to give him more time.

Fair enough i get your argument i just dont see enough. He doesnt look like a game changer for me. He has glimpses where he can do something like the Leicester goal.but he struggles to see out 90 minutes. As i said earlier i just dont think he has that much if a foogball brain to be really successful here.

With traore you could see frkm that palace game when he scored he had something about him. He looked like a ashley young type player. I have just never seen that from trez.

Will he be good in championship? Maybe but for me we need better if we stay up.

[brontebilly]

Trez is an enigma really, he’s a technically gifted footballer who is tidy enough but has hardly any end product.

He’s one of those that really needs to step up in the next couple of months. When Dean Smith spoke about ‘training ground players’ he was the first I thought of.

Technically gifted? He can't kick the ball with his left foot...

Apart from in the last minute against Leicester, right?

You have me there, it was a nice finish!

That aside.....he is incredibly one sided. AEG in comparison is equally comfortable on either foot.

[themossman]

His attitude and AEG’s talent would be a decent combination. Tries hard enough but hasn’t got it.

[john2710]

He's a trier & he can't be faulted for effort but there's not a lot of quality. I doubt he'll get much better.

[Rigadon]

He's like a handful or more of our squad in and around the 1st team in that he has some qualities but not quite enough to make his limitations not matter.  With him, the quality he has is technical ability, but he's a bit too slow and is very lightweight.  Luiz has drive on the ball and good passing range, but his positional sense and off the ball press / cover are not consistently good enough. El Ghazi is quick and technically decent but has a suspect temperament.  Nakamba… not sure what he does particularly well but I sense 'there is a player in there somewhere'.  That's just the midfield!  In defence there is a bit-of-promise-but-inconsistent (Targett, Guibert, Engels), one genuinely good enough (Mings) and a few not good enough (the rest).

The fact is that we have too many in the 1st team that aren't (in some cases 'yet') good enough to carry and not be 19th.

[Footy-Vill]

He provides energy and gives something but he's struggles to get a real essence of the play on 90mins.
His sending off v palace was down to his effort in doing something he not so good at. Twice ! Booked for challenges .
Ideally play him high up the pitch and keep him there.

[themossman]

Just looks like the wind has come out of his sails. Looked brilliant pre season and in the early league games even if he was wasteful. One of the few players who has got markedly worse as the season has gone on.