VAR

[olaftab]

As you know just like onfield decisions VAR  outcomes have to be evened out over the season. Having made that ginormous error in Arse-Bford match last week this week they got an opportunity to pay back. Normal stuff, really!

[aj2k77]

Mega twat baldy Gallagher says the decision was subjective and some you win and some you lose. I thought the principle of VAR was to remove subjectivity? That was its selling point. They’re just making it up from week to week . I’m convinced the game decisions are corrupt. Haven’t Barcelona been accused of paying refs off recei?

[Risso]

I guess lots of referee calls are subjective to a certain extent, eg was it a foul, or was it a dive etc. But it's very difficult to argue that the Arsenal players weren't interfering with player given how close they both were to Martinez. If it was just one of them, then maybe there'd be a case, but both of them there and not getting the decision is a piss take. If that's not interfering with play, then I'd like to see an example of what clearly is.

[chrisw1]

This seems to have developed a bit of momentum over the last few days - any comments from PGMOL to explain the inconsistency?

The analysis seems to be how far the ball travelled and Emi had a chance to react and attempt a save.  The fact that a split second delay in reaction time could be the difference seems to elude them.

Also, everyone knew Leno had no chance of saving McGinns shot, but were told that wasn't relevant at the time.  As was the fact that Barkley wasn't actually blocking his view, just in the periphery of his sight.

It's the lack of consistency that boils your piss.

[artvandelay]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

[chrisw1]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

Ridiculous as it sounds, quite possibly yes.  Although the distance it travelled is primarily what they're hanging their hats on.  And perhaps more worryingly, the lack of protest by the players.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4878634/the-var-review-marcel-sabitzer-red-card-arsenal-offside-goal-kehrer-handball

[Nunkin1965]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

Ridiculous as it sounds, quite possibly yes.  Although the distance it travelled is primarily what they're hanging their hats on.  And perhaps more worryingly, the lack of protest by the players.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4878634/the-var-review-marcel-sabitzer-red-card-arsenal-offside-goal-kehrer-handball

Thats the thing for me.
Zero protest by us although considering the time it was scored most players just fell to their knees.
I'm sure, though, that if it had happened at the other end, Arsenal players would have surrounded the ref urging VAR to take a look.

[Risso]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

Ridiculous as it sounds, quite possibly yes.  Although the distance it travelled is primarily what they're hanging their hats on.  And perhaps more worryingly, the lack of protest by the players.

https://www.espn.com/soccer/english-premier-league/story/4878634/the-var-review-marcel-sabitzer-red-card-arsenal-offside-goal-kehrer-handball

What a load of shite, I've never seen such bizarre mental gymnastics. That artice says "and two of his own teammates are blocking the line to the ball." What the bloody hell has that got to with anything?

[Toronto Villa]

I guess lots of referee calls are subjective to a certain extent, eg was it a foul, or was it a dive etc. But it's very difficult to argue that the Arsenal players weren't interfering with player given how close they both were to Martinez. If it was just one of them, then maybe there'd be a case, but both of them there and not getting the decision is a piss take. If that's not interfering with play, then I'd like to see an example of what clearly is.

I refer you to exactly the same thing when we had a goal disallowed down there. That’s the difference. That goal should have been disallowed for simply obvious reasons but it wasn’t. I listened to Dermot Gallagher try and explain it the other day and like everything he explains it in favour of his VAR mates. Listening to him it’s excruciating. Like he’s taking one of those painful hard shits where the beast is coming out sideways.

[astonvilla82]

I guess lots of referee calls are subjective to a certain extent, eg was it a foul, or was it a dive etc. But it's very difficult to argue that the Arsenal players weren't interfering with player given how close they both were to Martinez. If it was just one of them, then maybe there'd be a case, but both of them there and not getting the decision is a piss take. If that's not interfering with play, then I'd like to see an example of what clearly is.

I refer you to exactly the same thing when we had a goal disallowed down there. That’s the difference. That goal should have been disallowed for simply obvious reasons but it wasn’t. I listened to Dermot Gallagher try and explain it the other day and like everything he explains it in favour of his VAR mates. Listening to him it’s excruciating. Like he’s taking one of those painful hard shits where the beast is coming out sideways.

They stick together won't dare criticize each other even when they retire, there's like the freemasonry

[aj2k77]

I'm just wondering how many of these ''subjective'' decisions go in favour of one of the big 6 as opposed to against them over the course of the season. There is definite bias, unconscious or not.

[olaftab]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

No. If Martinez had made a worse attempt at saving that shot he would have been no where near the ball to head it back in.

[artvandelay]

So does this mean if Martinez had made a worse attempt at a save we'd be more likely to get the goal ruled out for offside? (I appreciate it would still need to hit the back of his head...)

No. If Martinez had made a worse attempt at saving that shot he would have been no where near the ball to head it back in.

I did caveat that, but in that instance, presumably either of the offside players would then be in a position to bundle it in from what was determined to be not an offside position as it rebounds from the crossbar

[olaftab]

No as at that stage it was involvement issue. In rebound situation they were offside. Linesman would have indicated as the player who hits the ball would definitely be "involved" from an offside position. Having said that I wouldn't put it past VAR to come up with a different explanation to allow it.

[astonvilla82]

Arsenal  second goal from the short corner ,lad said possible offside from the actual corner kick, looking at it many times it looks like the linesman more concentrated on the ball