Quote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 22, 2021, 10:02:32 AMWho said it was an error!Lino might have said at the time "that was close, probably off but let it run, then we can check".He almost certainly did and that is literally what they're told to do in tight calls. To then moan that it wasn't 'clear and obvious' is ignoring how the officials are operating. Look at the freeze frame with the lines and pay attention to the lines in the grass and it's clear that he was 5-6 niches offside, it was nothing like some of the tight calls from last season.As for our penalty, anyone who doesn't see that as a clear handball just doesn't know the laws of the game, the controversy there is that the ref was looking straight at it and didn't spot it, that was the definition of a clear and obvious error.
Who said it was an error!Lino might have said at the time "that was close, probably off but let it run, then we can check".
Quote from: paul_e on August 22, 2021, 11:36:37 AMQuote from: GordonCowansisthegreatest on August 22, 2021, 10:02:32 AMWho said it was an error!Lino might have said at the time "that was close, probably off but let it run, then we can check".He almost certainly did and that is literally what they're told to do in tight calls. To then moan that it wasn't 'clear and obvious' is ignoring how the officials are operating. Look at the freeze frame with the lines and pay attention to the lines in the grass and it's clear that he was 5-6 niches offside, it was nothing like some of the tight calls from last season.As for our penalty, anyone who doesn't see that as a clear handball just doesn't know the laws of the game, the controversy there is that the ref was looking straight at it and didn't spot it, that was the definition of a clear and obvious error.You've missed the point.It's not about how the officials are operating, it's about how they should be operating.No one asked for VAR to try to deal with marginal offsides. VAR was introduced as a concept in football to stop the dropped bollocks; the ridiculous decisions that were obvious to everyone except the on-field ref.In the ground on Saturday, no one was appealing for offside. Players and fans included. To the point that when it flashed up on the screen that VAR were checking the penalty, no one around me could even work out what they might be checking!VAR should be there to help the on-field refs, not to re-ref the game. If it's a clanger of an offside decision, you'll see that on a replay within seconds without drawing silly lines. That means we're not stood there in the ground waiting in the dark for Stockley Park to get their Etch-a-sketch out and if it's marginal, no one's going to get that upset if it doesn't go your way.
I like Brucey's attempted defence of it. He raised his leg so he had to raise his arm as well. What is he, a fucking puppet?!
All the VAR decisions were spot on and all of them without the assistance of VAR would have been accepted by those at the game had they not been given. Our penalty...a clear and obvious mistake or miss by the ref.Their penalty that was overruled for offside, a clear and obvious decision missed by the lino. 6" is clear and obvious, anything less is less so. I notice now they are using thicker imaginary lines in their pseudo science calculations, this should hopefully clear up the really tight calls until the science is improved.
Quote from: Brend'Watkins on August 23, 2021, 11:04:10 AMAll the VAR decisions were spot on and all of them without the assistance of VAR would have been accepted by those at the game had they not been given. Our penalty...a clear and obvious mistake or miss by the ref.Their penalty that was overruled for offside, a clear and obvious decision missed by the lino. 6" is clear and obvious, anything less is less so. I notice now they are using thicker imaginary lines in their pseudo science calculations, this should hopefully clear up the really tight calls until the science is improved.But as above, offside does not have to be clear and obvious. It's black or white (subject to the built in margin of error).
Saturday's event just happened to take place where there was a line in the grass. And even then it still took 30 seconds or more for a decision. What if Wilson had been 5 yards further forward or back? The grass wouldn't have helped then and as no one in the ground appealed for offside it can't have been that obvious an error.My issue is less with Saturday's specific event, and more with the fact we're using lines at all. Rugby don't use lines for offside and it works fine there. Ditch the lines - if the result is blatantly wrong, change it. If it's not blatantly wrong, the decision stands.