VAR

[chrisw1]

If the Premier League want to see how VAR should work they can watch France's second goal tonight.

Linesman flags offside, striker sticks the ball in the goal. VAR review, no silly lines, decide the striker looks onside and the goal is given. All sorted within 5 seconds.

It's no more complicated than that.

It becomes more complicated when after the event sky put the lines on and talk about how VAR got it wrong.  Villa fans (as obviously we're the club that has lost out) then start banging on about how corrupt VAR is and Utd are paying them (as they're the club that benefited, obviously) etec, etc and forevermore...

[chrisw1]

I hate the two appeals per game idea tbh.  There would be absolutely no need for this is refs just started using it properly and had the courage to review their own decisions.

[charlatan]

Appeals should be coupled with a zero tolerance approach to dissent. Complain about anything (like the opposition being awarded a throw in) and you automatically trigger an appeal. After you've used the first two up (appeals retained if successful as in the cricket), then it's automatic cards for any complaints.

[Steve67]

How about we fuck it off completely and recognise that the game wasn't so bad before VAR existed?  Complete sack of shit.  Goalmouth technology should stay.  VAR into room 101.

[West Derby Villan]

Steve, can I have your babbles

[CT]

Steve, can I have your babbles

I’d like to be involved too.

[Toronto Villa]

But they won’t fuck it off. Too much investment in the technology. If it is used as it has been at the Euros most games it wouldn’t even be noticed.

[Pat Mustard]

Even when used well it can still get in the bin - there is too much subjectivity involved in decision making that is best left to the ref on the field.  It fundamentally changes the match-going experience if you can never properly celebrate a goal, which will still happen regardless of how well it's implemented. 

The technology still doesn't exist that will accurately measure marginal offside decisions, and a 2D image cannot always show whether or not contact has been made on a trip in the area, or certain handballs for instance - do we end up with a snickometer or hot-spot camera for these decisions? 

I was against the introduction of VAR from the start as it is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to divorcing the top-level of football from the rest of the game.  The one thing in it's favour was supposedly that it would even out the disparity in decisions that most of us perceive to go for the so-called big teams.  Even this has been shown up to be bollocks, and if anything it's worse than it ever was.  At least before it could be put down to genuine error - now it just looks like actual corruption.

[achilles]

Even when used well it can still get in the bin - there is too much subjectivity involved in decision making that is best left to the ref on the field.  It fundamentally changes the match-going experience if you can never properly celebrate a goal, which will still happen regardless of how well it's implemented. 

The technology still doesn't exist that will accurately measure marginal offside decisions, and a 2D image cannot always show whether or not contact has been made on a trip in the area, or certain handballs for instance - do we end up with a snickometer or hot-spot camera for these decisions? 

I was against the introduction of VAR from the start as it is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to divorcing the top-level of football from the rest of the game.  The one thing in it's favour was supposedly that it would even out the disparity in decisions that most of us perceive to go for the so-called big teams.  Even this has been shown up to be bollocks, and if anything it's worse than it ever was.  At least before it could be put down to genuine error - now it just looks like actual corruption.

Totally agree, the other night with the Lukaku disallowed goal for his toe being offside but the pass to him had already been played to him shown by the blurred shot of the ball leaving the player's pass! It was ridiculous as there was no way they could categorically say that he was offside when the pass was played!
Just ruins the game as it shows when Benzema scored his first goal but was flagged offside but got overruled and allowed to stand, the instant elation of scoring has gone!

[Pat Mustard]

Even when used well it can still get in the bin - there is too much subjectivity involved in decision making that is best left to the ref on the field.  It fundamentally changes the match-going experience if you can never properly celebrate a goal, which will still happen regardless of how well it's implemented. 

The technology still doesn't exist that will accurately measure marginal offside decisions, and a 2D image cannot always show whether or not contact has been made on a trip in the area, or certain handballs for instance - do we end up with a snickometer or hot-spot camera for these decisions? 

I was against the introduction of VAR from the start as it is the thin end of the wedge when it comes to divorcing the top-level of football from the rest of the game.  The one thing in it's favour was supposedly that it would even out the disparity in decisions that most of us perceive to go for the so-called big teams.  Even this has been shown up to be bollocks, and if anything it's worse than it ever was.  At least before it could be put down to genuine error - now it just looks like actual corruption.

Totally agree, the other night with the Lukaku disallowed goal for his toe being offside but the pass to him had already been played to him shown by the blurred shot of the ball leaving the player's pass! It was ridiculous as there was no way they could categorically say that he was offside when the pass was played!
Just ruins the game as it shows when Benzema scored his first goal but was flagged offside but got overruled and allowed to stand, the instant elation of scoring has gone!

That Lukaku goal is a perfect example of the stupidity of trying to use those ridiculous lines to measure offside. At first glance they offer some kind of definitive proof if someone is on or offside, but as soon as you break it down it all falls apart.

Firstly, there is the question of whether someone is offside when the ball is played. The frame rate on the cameras used doesn’t necessarily capture the precise moment the ball gets played, so already the officials are guessing on the frame to use. Secondly, it’s not clear from a 2D image when the ball has been struck by the passing player, so again there is guesswork. Finally, what is being measured when we say the ball is passed - is it the point contact is made with the ball, or when it leaves the players foot? When the ball is passed with any force it remains in contact with the foot for some time - https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6Z3oJ9r42Rc.

I know all the above sounds ridiculous, but essentially we are trying to apply a scientific approach to decisions without all of the evidence we need. VAR isn’t making things more accurate, it is simply replacing one set of subjective decisions with another, and ones take much longer to arrive at. Given the impact it then has on the match going experience I just don’t think the price is worth paying.

[enigma]

But they won’t fuck it off. Too much investment in the technology. If it is used as it has been at the Euros most games it wouldn’t even be noticed.

The decision to award the penalty for the supposed foul on Mbappe the other night was as bad as anything I've seen from VAR.

[john2710]

Not one of the PL refs were selected to officiate at the last World Cup. The problem isn’t VAR, it’s the idiots running it. The refs in this country are well below the best in Europe.

I’ll guarantee the PL will make a mess of any new rules implemented by over interpretation. It needs to be simple & quick. It can & should be done by eyesight alone & on the basis that  if it looks ok it’s ok.

[Brend'Watkins]

But they won’t fuck it off. Too much investment in the technology. If it is used as it has been at the Euros most games it wouldn’t even be noticed.

The decision to award the penalty against for the supposed foul on Mbappe the other night was as bad as anything I've seen from VAR.

I agree. That’s two very poor VAR decisions so far in the competition. 

[Toronto Villa]

But they won’t fuck it off. Too much investment in the technology. If it is used as it has been at the Euros most games it wouldn’t even be noticed.

The decision to award the penalty for the supposed foul on Mbappe the other night was as bad as anything I've seen from VAR.

It’s still someone making a decision based on video replay. The human side of the officiating has to be better. I was taking more about the eternity it takes in England to come to a decision on marginal offsides and the handball rule. VAR will still come to a conclusion on incidents we don’t agree with much like if it was just the ref and the assistants. But what has to happen is that decisions are made quicker and the offensive player given the benefit of the doubt when level for offside and defenders in handballs where intent has to proven.

[Scott Nielsen]

On paper, this sounds promising re both penalties and offsides.

VAR set to end Premier League players ‘buying a penalty’ next season:
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/aug/02/var-set-to-end-premier-league-players-buying-a-penalty-next-season

“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’ "

“We’ve now reintroduced the benefit of the doubt to the attacking player,” Riley said. “Effectively what we have given back to the game is 20 goals that were disallowed last season by using quite forensic scrutiny. It’s the toenails, the noses of the players that last season were offside – this season they will be onside.”