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Offline Toronto Villa

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2055 on: August 03, 2021, 05:42:28 AM »
Wesley’s heel or whatever the fuck that made that Bamford goal offside didn’t create clear advantages to the attacking side in those goals being scored. If they now deem those as onside as well attempting to clean up penalties it “should” be much better.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2056 on: August 03, 2021, 06:56:59 AM »
It will still have a red filter on it so that decisions that don't favour Man U are unseeable.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2057 on: August 03, 2021, 07:05:37 AM »
Hilarious that they've only just realised that knocking goals off for a player being a pubic hair offside isn't really the way to go. Clever guys this lot. No doubt they'll find something this coming season to concentrate penalising out of all proportion to its effect on the game so they can justify their existence.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2058 on: August 03, 2021, 09:15:06 AM »
I'll take any improvement over the painful experiences of kat year,. Watkins will be happier a he's probably going to be 3 or 4 goals better off!   However sterling will be gutted as he will now have to dribble more than 10 yards before falling dramatically to the ground

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2059 on: August 03, 2021, 09:19:54 AM »
Hilarious that they've only just realised that knocking goals off for a player being a pubic hair offside isn't really the way to go. Clever guys this lot. No doubt they'll find something this coming season to concentrate penalising out of all proportion to its effect on the game so they can justify their existence.

Staggering isn’t it? They certainly ruined the game for the people actually there, although they only care about the TV audience.

Offline sickbeggar

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2060 on: August 03, 2021, 09:25:03 AM »
Yep, its all about being seen to be doing something rather than anything that benefits the game. I think we all know what will happen this season. First 2 months of the season managers/players/fans will be confused by the ref/VAR suddenly giving penalties/red cards for something they've never bothered with before. Then we'll find out its some directive from on-high that every other country's refs has ignored. And by the start of November it will all go back to normal.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2061 on: August 03, 2021, 04:42:38 PM »
Forgive me if I wait to see what actually happens before I believe the numpties in charge of this in the UK won't screw it up again.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2062 on: August 07, 2021, 06:54:23 PM »
Just turned the Charity Shield on and quelle surprise, the first thing I see is Grealish hitting the deck under pressure from the defence. 

However, unlike last season the ref waves play on. I do wonder whether this new interpretation of what contact means will chalk half Grealish's free kicks off. Man City will wonder exactly what they've paid for if it does!!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2063 on: August 07, 2021, 07:33:21 PM »
“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’ "

If the answer to the second question is yes, then the player should be booked.

Offline fredm

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2064 on: August 07, 2021, 09:38:41 PM »
Said this before on another thread, the powers that be have stated that this season referees will take the same attitude to players going down as those in the Euros. In other words those who fall over at the slightest touch will just see the ref waving at them to get up. We can only hope that this interpretation is enforced consistently across every match.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2065 on: August 07, 2021, 11:49:21 PM »
“Referees will look for contact and establish clear contact, then ask themselves the question: does that contact have a consequence?” Riley said. “They will then ask themselves a question: has the player used that contact to actually try and win a foul penalty? So it’s not sufficient just to say: ‘Yes, there’s contact.’ "

If the answer to the second question is yes, then the player should be booked.

That's not how it works though, there's plenty of reasons a player might go down under a challenge without trying to trick the referee but without it being a foul either. Yellow cards for diving should be used solely for cases where the player has obviously cheated (and should be applied retrospectively as well). However the flip side of that is that referees have to start giving fouls to players who try to stay on their feet but don't "gain an advantage". Fix both sides of this at once and you have a carrot and stick approach to reducing cheating.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2066 on: August 12, 2021, 01:21:13 AM »
In-game referee explanations could be introduced for 2022/23 season
Automated, immediate offside calls are also in development, with hopes that a system could be ready for the 2022 World Cup

Source Daily Telegraph:

'Referees in England are open to introducing an NFL-style model of direct explanations of key decisions, potentially from as early as next year.
Changes to the use of the Video Assistant Referee (Var) this coming season will include a wider margin of error for offside, so as to avoid penalising the most marginal calls, but there is also a recognition that fans want quicker and more transparent decision-making.

New automated technology which could assess offside decisions almost immediately is currently being developed, and Fifa hope that it could be ready for the Qatar World Cup from November 2022.
This is regarded as a game-changer inside football, with Var decision-time for a close offside potentially being reduced from more than 30 seconds to just a few seconds.

There will also be an examination of whether the decision-making process between referees and the Var could be more accessible to fans. Fifa and Ifab, the body which governs the football’s global rules, have resisted making any changes this season but they do have a working group to examine potential changes.
Rather than broadcasting the full live dialogue between officials, one option would be some variation on the NFL when the on-field referee can go to a monitor by the side of the pitch and provide a succinct explanation to viewers of a contentious decision once it had been made.

Another variation would be to broadcast an audio clip of the relevant discussions between the referee and the Var, potentially during the next break in play or at half-time or full-time.

The Premier League have displayed information on screens and also replays of controversial incidents but are mindful of how fans, especially inside stadiums, can be left unsure of how decisions have been made or even what the Var is examining. Leagues must operate within the boundaries of Ifab’s rules but the Professional Game Match Officials' Limited (PGMOL) - the body which oversees professional refereeing - is open to going much further in broadcasting in-game explanations from their officials.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2067 on: August 12, 2021, 01:29:12 AM »
If someone could explain some of Moss's and Friend's decisions against Villa, that'd be just fine ...

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2068 on: August 12, 2021, 03:29:53 AM »
if they were to trying to get things right then getting it right as fans come back into the stadiums was something that likely came up in discussions. Last season was better than the season before which isn't much of compliment because we know they got loads wrong and mainly down to how the rules were being interpreted and applied. But with supporters returning the very last thing I hope the PL and refs want is massive delays while they drawn razor thin lines from multiple angles takin minutes to decide. Let's hope this, the foul rule and the better definition regarding penalties helps this season.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #2069 on: August 12, 2021, 09:54:48 AM »
In-game referee explanations could be introduced for 2022/23 season
Automated, immediate offside calls are also in development, with hopes that a system could be ready for the 2022 World Cup

Source Daily Telegraph:

'Referees in England are open to introducing an NFL-style model of direct explanations of key decisions, potentially from as early as next year.
Changes to the use of the Video Assistant Referee (Var) this coming season will include a wider margin of error for offside, so as to avoid penalising the most marginal calls, but there is also a recognition that fans want quicker and more transparent decision-making.

New automated technology which could assess offside decisions almost immediately is currently being developed, and Fifa hope that it could be ready for the Qatar World Cup from November 2022.
This is regarded as a game-changer inside football, with Var decision-time for a close offside potentially being reduced from more than 30 seconds to just a few seconds.

There will also be an examination of whether the decision-making process between referees and the Var could be more accessible to fans. Fifa and Ifab, the body which governs the football’s global rules, have resisted making any changes this season but they do have a working group to examine potential changes.
Rather than broadcasting the full live dialogue between officials, one option would be some variation on the NFL when the on-field referee can go to a monitor by the side of the pitch and provide a succinct explanation to viewers of a contentious decision once it had been made.

Another variation would be to broadcast an audio clip of the relevant discussions between the referee and the Var, potentially during the next break in play or at half-time or full-time.

The Premier League have displayed information on screens and also replays of controversial incidents but are mindful of how fans, especially inside stadiums, can be left unsure of how decisions have been made or even what the Var is examining. Leagues must operate within the boundaries of Ifab’s rules but the Professional Game Match Officials' Limited (PGMOL) - the body which oversees professional refereeing - is open to going much further in broadcasting in-game explanations from their officials.


This needs to happen if they want to carry on with VAR. Allowing fans to hear the conversation as they make their decision is why rugby and cricket fans have accepted it.

 


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