Quote from: paul_e on November 21, 2020, 10:28:38 PMQuote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 10:01:07 PMI'm not going to quote that word salad Ian, but this isn't about a difference of opinion. This is a professional referee who clearly changed his mind on a penalty because the defender got the ball.That's not a matter of opinion, it's fact, and I'm pretty sure the ref hasn't got the rule wrong or he won't be reffing again this season.and another professional referee on BT sports said it was pen. Last season a professional ref on the pitch gave fernandes a penalty and another upheld it. Refs get things wrong and a number of laws are subjective enough to allow for that. That said there is nothing in the laws that says kickng someone in the shin is ok if the ball brushes your heel on the way through.Yep. To say "he's a professional ref so he's right and you're wrong' is facile beyond belief. You're exactly right to bring up the Fernandes example last season. The ref gave it, VAR didn't overrule it, but after the game when it had been reviewed, PGMOL gave a statement that evening saying the ref had made a mistake. I said it wasn't a penalty, my Villa supporting mate I was watching with said it wasn't a penalty, my two Man U supporting mates watching it said it wasn't a penalty, and from memory the commentator said it wasn't a penalty. The professional ref during the game thought it was of course, which is ultimately all that really matters, but it goes to prove, not that any proof is needed, that they're a long way from being infallible.
Quote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 10:01:07 PMI'm not going to quote that word salad Ian, but this isn't about a difference of opinion. This is a professional referee who clearly changed his mind on a penalty because the defender got the ball.That's not a matter of opinion, it's fact, and I'm pretty sure the ref hasn't got the rule wrong or he won't be reffing again this season.and another professional referee on BT sports said it was pen. Last season a professional ref on the pitch gave fernandes a penalty and another upheld it. Refs get things wrong and a number of laws are subjective enough to allow for that. That said there is nothing in the laws that says kickng someone in the shin is ok if the ball brushes your heel on the way through.
I'm not going to quote that word salad Ian, but this isn't about a difference of opinion. This is a professional referee who clearly changed his mind on a penalty because the defender got the ball.That's not a matter of opinion, it's fact, and I'm pretty sure the ref hasn't got the rule wrong or he won't be reffing again this season.
You can stand by what you like, a load of bollocks is a load of bollocks.
There's also nothing in the official rules about touching the ball then subsequently fouling the player, meaning that it's not a foul. Anywhere else on the pitch and that's get's blown up as a foul 99.99% of the time.
Quote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 11:56:40 PMThere's also nothing in the official rules about touching the ball then subsequently fouling the player, meaning that it's not a foul. Anywhere else on the pitch and that's get's blown up as a foul 99.99% of the time.I look forward to the PGMOL publicly stating Michael Oliver doesn't know the rules of football then.
Quote from: Ad@m on November 22, 2020, 12:12:10 AMQuote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 11:56:40 PMThere's also nothing in the official rules about touching the ball then subsequently fouling the player, meaning that it's not a foul. Anywhere else on the pitch and that's get's blown up as a foul 99.99% of the time.I look forward to the PGMOL publicly stating Michael Oliver doesn't know the rules of football then.So the decision at Palace last season was correct because PGMOL didn't release a statement criticising Kevin Friend?
Quote from: LukeJames on November 22, 2020, 12:18:27 AMQuote from: Ad@m on November 22, 2020, 12:12:10 AMQuote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 11:56:40 PMThere's also nothing in the official rules about touching the ball then subsequently fouling the player, meaning that it's not a foul. Anywhere else on the pitch and that's get's blown up as a foul 99.99% of the time.I look forward to the PGMOL publicly stating Michael Oliver doesn't know the rules of football then.So the decision at Palace last season was correct because PGMOL didn't release a statement criticising Kevin Friend? What's Palace got to do with anything?People keep saying the fact he played the ball is irrelevant. The ref specifically said that was why he changed his mind. If the ref's got that wrong it's a pretty fundamental lack of understanding of the rules which the PGMOL will no doubt be along to tell us about any time soon.