Quote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:30:07 PMQuote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 06:59:39 PMQuote from: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2020, 06:27:37 PMJust watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.Same here. If that had been against us and a penalty had been given this place would be up in arms.I can’t see how in any universe whether for or against us, that isn’t a pen. He kicks the player’s shin, which is a foul. A foul in the box is a penalty.For all the part time refs on here sayingQuote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 08:03:36 PMQuote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:30:07 PMQuote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 06:59:39 PMQuote from: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2020, 06:27:37 PMJust watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.Same here. If that had been against us and a penalty had been given this place would be up in arms.I can’t see how in any universe whether for or against us, that isn’t a pen. He kicks the player’s shin, which is a foul. A foul in the box is a penalty.For all the part time refs on here saying that whether he got the ball or not is irrelevant, a professional referee, in full view of the world, clearly said the reason for overturning the penalty award was that the defender got the ball.Sure, refs make the odd mistake, but he's got a better grasp of the rules than any of us, and the fact the defender got the ball was the deciding factor.If that had been one of our defenders there's no way anyone on here would've said it was a penalty.
Quote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 06:59:39 PMQuote from: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2020, 06:27:37 PMJust watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.Same here. If that had been against us and a penalty had been given this place would be up in arms.I can’t see how in any universe whether for or against us, that isn’t a pen. He kicks the player’s shin, which is a foul. A foul in the box is a penalty.
Quote from: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2020, 06:27:37 PMJust watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.Same here. If that had been against us and a penalty had been given this place would be up in arms.
Just watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.
Quote from: Risso on November 21, 2020, 07:30:07 PMQuote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 06:59:39 PMQuote from: Meanwood Villa on November 21, 2020, 06:27:37 PMJust watched it for first time. Didn't look a pen to me.Same here. If that had been against us and a penalty had been given this place would be up in arms.I can’t see how in any universe whether for or against us, that isn’t a pen. He kicks the player’s shin, which is a foul. A foul in the box is a penalty.For all the part time refs on here saying that whether he got the ball or not is irrelevant, a professional referee, in full view of the world, clearly said the reason for overturning the penalty award was that the defender got the ball.Sure, refs make the odd mistake, but he's got a better grasp of the rules than any of us, and the fact the defender got the ball was the deciding factor.If that had been one of our defenders there's no way anyone on here would've said it was a penalty.
Quote from: olaftab on November 21, 2020, 08:08:17 PMLast year in similar circumstances VAR award Spurs a pen at Villa Park. Engels got his foot to the ball but in doing so brought down Moura. How many people responded "well done VAR - getting the big decisions right"?!
Last year in similar circumstances VAR award Spurs a pen at Villa Park. Engels got his foot to the ball but in doing so brought down Moura.
Quote from: SheffieldVillain on February 16, 2020, 02:54:30 PMQuote from: hilts_coolerking on February 16, 2020, 02:50:12 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 02:49:36 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 02:48:19 PMNever a penCHEatingheatingIt was a clear penalty. He never got the ball.That's how I saw it to be honest.The question is whether he brought down the attacker, not whether he got the ball. Which I think he probably did.Plenty of other questionable decisions though. Aurier told after two cautionable fouls to cut it out, another one straight after which didn't even get a talking to let alone a card. A clear corner off the defenders heel - not even a difficult one as the ball changed direction, given as a goalkick.An utterly shit referring display.Yes we've had a few go against us. Aurier should be on a yellow and we were denied the clearest corner you'll ever see but I think the pen was fair enough. Truth be told we should have been 2-0 up and cruising.
Quote from: hilts_coolerking on February 16, 2020, 02:50:12 PMQuote from: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 02:49:36 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 02:48:19 PMNever a penCHEatingheatingIt was a clear penalty. He never got the ball.That's how I saw it to be honest.The question is whether he brought down the attacker, not whether he got the ball. Which I think he probably did.Plenty of other questionable decisions though. Aurier told after two cautionable fouls to cut it out, another one straight after which didn't even get a talking to let alone a card. A clear corner off the defenders heel - not even a difficult one as the ball changed direction, given as a goalkick.An utterly shit referring display.
Quote from: Toronto Villa on February 16, 2020, 02:49:36 PMQuote from: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 02:48:19 PMNever a penCHEatingheatingIt was a clear penalty. He never got the ball.That's how I saw it to be honest.
Quote from: Demitri_C on February 16, 2020, 02:48:19 PMNever a penCHEatingheatingIt was a clear penalty. He never got the ball.
Never a penCHEatingheating
Quote from: stevo_st on February 16, 2020, 02:54:37 PMFUCK VARClear and obvious error my arse.Soft pen, minor contact.Farcethe word that says it all there is 'contact'
FUCK VARClear and obvious error my arse.Soft pen, minor contact.Farce
Was a penalty in all fairness. Could see it coming.... we were on top and much better team for most of that half, but need to be more ruthless.
I'm not going to quote that word salad Ian, but this isn't about a difference of opinion. This is a professional referee who clearly changed his mind on a penalty because the defender got the ball.That's not a matter of opinion, it's fact, and I'm pretty sure the ref hasn't got the rule wrong or he won't be reffing again this season.
It was obvious that trying to turn subjective decisions into objective decisions by adding a layer of judgement wouldn't work.And it doesn't.
Quote from: Ad@m on November 21, 2020, 10:01:07 PMI'm not going to quote that word salad Ian, but this isn't about a difference of opinion. This is a professional referee who clearly changed his mind on a penalty because the defender got the ball.That's not a matter of opinion, it's fact, and I'm pretty sure the ref hasn't got the rule wrong or he won't be reffing again this season.and another professional referee on BT sports said it was pen. Last season a professional ref on the pitch gave fernandes a penalty and another upheld it. Refs get things wrong and a number of laws are subjective enough to allow for that. That said there is nothing in the laws that says kickng someone in the shin is ok if the ball brushes your heel on the way through.