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Offline sickbeggar

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1320 on: September 21, 2020, 01:05:18 PM »
My view is there is an added psychological effect on the players having a decision overturned by VAR. So getting a player sent off by the ref will have less effect on a team than a player than getting a yellow and then VAR changing it to red. Likewise, a goal being allowed/dis-allowed and then VAR changing the decision. Think I will closely follow our interactions with VAR this season, and see if the theory has any legs..
I think you're wrong.  Also, lots of VAR decisions will be made by the ref at the monitor now, so any previously perceived impact will be lesst.

Depends if the ref makes a decision and then its overruled like the Chelsea game. That's what i'm gonna keep an eye on - decisions we benefit/suffer from that weren't originally given by the ref.  I think its human nature that it effects you more if you have something taken away that you thought you'd kept ,rather than just taken away by the original decision. It works well in cricket because the umpires hasn't made a decision first
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Re: VAR
« Reply #1321 on: September 21, 2020, 01:06:47 PM »
hah, well maybe i'm just a good guesser then. I wonder how many teams have come back and won from an overturned VAR decision that penalised them as opposed to a decision give by a referee that penalised them?
Us against Brighton last year

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1322 on: September 21, 2020, 01:08:08 PM »
hah, well maybe i'm just a good guesser then. I wonder how many teams have come back and won from an overturned VAR decision that penalised them as opposed to a decision give by a referee that penalised them?
Us against Brighton last year

Liverpool against us as well

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1323 on: September 21, 2020, 01:09:32 PM »
hah, well maybe i'm just a good guesser then. I wonder how many teams have come back and won from an overturned VAR decision that penalised them as opposed to a decision give by a referee that penalised them?
Us against Brighton last year

Liverpool against us as well

Yes, but apart from those games....

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1324 on: September 21, 2020, 01:13:57 PM »
My view is there is an added psychological effect on the players having a decision overturned by VAR. So getting a player sent off by the ref will have less effect on a team than a player than getting a yellow and then VAR changing it to red. Likewise, a goal being allowed/dis-allowed and then VAR changing the decision. Think I will closely follow our interactions with VAR this season, and see if the theory has any legs..
I think you're wrong.  Also, lots of VAR decisions will be made by the ref at the monitor now, so any previously perceived impact will be lesst.

Depends if the ref makes a decision and then its overruled like the Chelsea game. That's what i'm gonna keep an eye on - decisions we benefit/suffer from that weren't originally given by the ref.  I think its human nature that it effects you more if you have something taken away that you thought you'd kept ,rather than just taken away by the original decision. It works well in cricket because the umpires hasn't made a decision first
The umpire does make a decision first and the teams have an opportunity to review it.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1325 on: September 21, 2020, 01:16:15 PM »
Not saying it doesn't happen, just its much less likely.. Like i said, i will watch our games and see the percentage we win/lose after benefiting/suffering from a refereeing decision, and compare it to benefiting/suffering from an overturned VAR decision.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1326 on: September 21, 2020, 01:18:25 PM »
My view is there is an added psychological effect on the players having a decision overturned by VAR. So getting a player sent off by the ref will have less effect on a team than a player than getting a yellow and then VAR changing it to red. Likewise, a goal being allowed/dis-allowed and then VAR changing the decision. Think I will closely follow our interactions with VAR this season, and see if the theory has any legs..
I think you're wrong.  Also, lots of VAR decisions will be made by the ref at the monitor now, so any previously perceived impact will be lesst.

Depends if the ref makes a decision and then its overruled like the Chelsea game. That's what i'm gonna keep an eye on - decisions we benefit/suffer from that weren't originally given by the ref.  I think its human nature that it effects you more if you have something taken away that you thought you'd kept ,rather than just taken away by the original decision. It works well in cricket because the umpires hasn't made a decision first
The umpire does make a decision first and the teams have an opportunity to review it.

Sorry that's what I meant. same with tennis. Psychologically you have the means to appeal

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1327 on: September 21, 2020, 01:21:04 PM »
I think I watched a few games last season where the team in the ascendancy had a goal chalked off by VAR and went on to capitulate afterwards.

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« Reply #1328 on: September 21, 2020, 02:08:39 PM »
I think I watched a few games last season where the team in the ascendancy had a goal chalked off by VAR and went on to capitulate afterwards.

yeah that's what I think, but it could be me seeing what I want to see. I think if you have say 10 games where a penalty has been awarded, goal disallowed, player sent off that benefited Villa and 5 of them were VAR overturned decisions, then you would expect the number of points the disadvantaged team managed from both types of decision would be very similar, if finding yourself worse off than you first thought had no psychological effect. Likewise if we were on the end of the same 10 decisions, our points total should be similar from both VAR and referee decisions
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Re: VAR
« Reply #1329 on: September 21, 2020, 02:33:27 PM »
I think the second VAR decision against Man U was absolutely correct.  The laws have always stated that the keeper should not be in front of the goal line when the ball is kicked but the linesman whose job it was to watch for this only on very rare occasions flagged.  Thus we had the situation where keepers were moving, on some occasions, feet in front of the line.  At least now they know they will have to keep one foot on the line.  But as a Man U supporter said to me "he was only an inch in front of the line" - as I said "so what, an inch in cricket is a no ball or a run out and nobody questions those decisions".

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1330 on: September 21, 2020, 04:55:29 PM »
Man U can get to f*ck complaining about VAR after the penalty that cheating arsehole Fernandes won at VP last season by stamping on Konsa's leg!!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1331 on: September 21, 2020, 05:15:53 PM »
Talking of cheating, has Fernandes not been pulled up for that outrageous dive where he kicked himself and went down the other day?

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1332 on: September 21, 2020, 08:20:54 PM »
VAR WATCH

Crucial decision given against us by the referee  1
Points accrued                                                 3
Crucial decision given against the opposition      1
Points accrued                                                 0


Crucial decision overturned by VAR                   0



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Re: VAR
« Reply #1333 on: September 21, 2020, 08:25:23 PM »
In both instances, the ref gave the decision and VAR just didn't over-turn the ref's decision.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1334 on: September 21, 2020, 08:29:47 PM »
No complaints about VAR tonight.  Either decision (sending off and penalty) could have gone the other way, but no obvious error so nothing to overturn.

 


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