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Offline WilliamStanding

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1290 on: August 06, 2020, 04:46:33 PM »
Bonkers.

If a pen is ballooned over and the keeper encroaches the goal line - heat on earth is thereís to review.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1291 on: August 06, 2020, 04:53:56 PM »
Literally every saved penalty will end up being retaken if they apply this properly because the keeper virtually always moves.
 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1292 on: August 06, 2020, 05:09:57 PM »
Literally every saved penalty will end up being retaken if they apply this properly because the keeper virtually always moves.

I disagree, I think that that's what this wording is trying to eradicate. As ever, proof will be in the pudding, but if I was in charge of implementing these guidelines, I think I could make it pretty clear to my minions what constitutes a material impact.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1293 on: August 06, 2020, 05:12:18 PM »
And they can move anyway, just not forwards.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1294 on: August 06, 2020, 05:45:52 PM »
They're addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

How many games were decided last year by a keeper being 1cm over his line and saving a pen or giving it the full Grobbelaar spaghetti legs.

So rather than sort out the clearly farcical offside rubbish they inflicted on us last year they've been digging around to create new issues.

Outstanding work. 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1295 on: August 06, 2020, 06:05:51 PM »
How can you allow for subjectivity with technology that deals in absolutes? They're smacking a square peg into a round hole. As we saw with the Man U penalty against us, refs are fallible even with VAR. Logical conclusion: no point in VAR.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1296 on: August 06, 2020, 06:21:02 PM »
And also, when does subjectivity give way to it's own subjectivity? Who makes the decision on what is objectively/subjectively correct? Wesley's heel was offside by half an inch against Burnley and goal a he wasn't involved with was disallowed. RRA went with the tech there. Fernandes penalty against us? RRA made their own decision after watching replays and they got it wrong. So they're asking us to put up with decisions made objectively by using the tech, but also to allow for fallibility due to referee subjectivity using the same tech.

It's fucking nonsense.
« Last Edit: August 06, 2020, 06:25:10 PM by Stu »

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1297 on: August 06, 2020, 06:35:40 PM »
They're addressing a problem that doesn't exist.

How many games were decided last year by a keeper being 1cm over his line and saving a pen or giving it the full Grobbelaar spaghetti legs.

So rather than sort out the clearly farcical offside rubbish they inflicted on us last year they've been digging around to create new issues.

Outstanding work.

I think they might be trying to sort the offside stuff. I'm choosing to infer that the issued wording hints at them only adjudicating on an offside when there's a flag.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1298 on: August 06, 2020, 07:25:14 PM »
I donít get why itís so hard. Make it primarily refs decision on the pitch as it used to be. If he wants to check VAR he goes to the monitor and there he can consult also with the broader team. Ultimately he still makes the final decision. I would allow the managerís two challenges for anything; offside, penalties, fouls etc. But they only get two. In the NFL Head Coaches have two challenges. If they use the first and win they get the second. If they lose the first challenge they donít get a second. To me this would be much better than the current system.
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Re: VAR
« Reply #1299 on: August 06, 2020, 07:46:56 PM »
Get rid, full stop!

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« Reply #1300 on: August 06, 2020, 10:41:36 PM »
You try diving to make a save without moving the foot forward that you are pushing off a little bit, it just isn't effective. Keepers will have to start behind the line slightly if this is enforced which is ridiculous. They're not crabs. It is pretty easy to tell when a keeper is taking the piss which makes it subjective but so what?

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« Reply #1301 on: August 07, 2020, 11:56:36 AM »
I donít get why itís so hard. Make it primarily refs decision on the pitch as it used to be. If he wants to check VAR he goes to the monitor and there he can consult also with the broader team. Ultimately he still makes the final decision.

It's incredible isn't it. Rugby have been applying it successfully for years and football continue to utterly screw it up.

Offline Pat Mustard

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« Reply #1302 on: August 07, 2020, 12:02:11 PM »
You try diving to make a save without moving the foot forward that you are pushing off a little bit, it just isn't effective. Keepers will have to start behind the line slightly if this is enforced which is ridiculous. They're not crabs. It is pretty easy to tell when a keeper is taking the piss which makes it subjective but so what?

Absolutely right - how difficult can it be to just say the keeper has to be on or behind the line when the ball is struck and after that anything is fair game?  Otherwise, if the most important thing is to give the advantage to the team that has won the penalty then you might as well just automatically award the fouled team a goal.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1303 on: August 07, 2020, 12:08:55 PM »
It's a penalty, it's not supposed to be fair. That's why the taker gets a run-up, and the keeper can't move.

Offline Pat Mustard

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« Reply #1304 on: August 07, 2020, 12:11:36 PM »
It's a penalty, it's not supposed to be fair. That's why the taker gets a run-up, and the keeper can't move.
I don't disagree with that, but this latest clarification is basically saying to the keeper we are going to tie your legs together as well!

 


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