collapse collapse

Please donate to help keep this site going.

The Fanzine

Heroes & Villains Fanzine

Get your fix of all things Claret & Blue by subscribing to the online version!

* H&V Best Of

Follow us on...

Author Topic: VAR  (Read 83839 times)

Offline PeterWithesShin

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 57853
  • Location: B16
  • GM : 17.03.2015
Re: VAR
« Reply #405 on: September 01, 2019, 12:07:19 AM »
If it's not going to give the correct decision I fail to see the point of VAR.

Online SoccerHQ

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 36947
  • Location: Down, down, deeper and Down.
  • GM : 19.06.2021
Re: VAR
« Reply #406 on: September 01, 2019, 12:12:39 AM »
And how was it not a pen for Haller in the West Ham game?

VAR has missed loads of clear penalties so far, players getting kicked in airs and yet no penalties given as it dosen't seem "clear and obvious" enough apparently.

You all see awful challenges like Tielemans not getting punished either.

I'm not anti-Var but the implementation so far has been poor and made it pretty worthless in its use.

Offline PeterWithesShin

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 57853
  • Location: B16
  • GM : 17.03.2015
Re: VAR
« Reply #407 on: September 01, 2019, 12:43:53 AM »
The Newcastle goal should have been disallowed as well.

Offline Vill I An

  • Member
  • Posts: 1425
  • Hope we stay Premier league !
Re: VAR
« Reply #408 on: September 01, 2019, 12:45:54 AM »
The refs are trying to sabotage VAR .
That's what's clear and obvious .

Offline OzVilla

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 6977
  • Location: Sunshine Coast, Australia
  • GM : 15.08.2020
Re: VAR
« Reply #409 on: September 01, 2019, 12:54:03 AM »
Imagine todayís scenario with Liverpool at home needing a goal in the 96th minute. Ref still makes the same decision? Theyíre fucking corrupt at times

Offline purpletrousers

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1058
  • Location: Luton / East London
  • GM : 18.04.2021
Re: VAR
« Reply #410 on: September 01, 2019, 01:12:51 AM »
Not sure if this has been shared yet but the following is from the Premier League's statement on the incident:

"Under the IFAB Protocol the VAR is allowed to review the potential penalty situation. Having reviewed the incident the VAR judged that no ĎClear and Obviousí error had occurred and the on-field decision of simulation remained.

The VAR was unable to check the Ďgoalí because the whistle went before the ball went into the net."

So there we are. VAR says it was a dive too.

Fuck it out the window.

Well, Iím not sure, itís concluding itís a dive, itís in their opinion saying it wasnít clear and obviously missed penalty, ie it could have been a fair challenge/fall etc, but not a glaring penalty.

What itís not doing presumably is reviewing if it was or wasnít a dive, do that decision remained.

Itís hard to imagine how you can undo the appalling decision to blow the whistle, which of course any oppo player could say they stopped playing after. 

Itís deeply disappointing that we have this system but itís not set up to be able to avoid cock ups like that. My gut feeling is weíll eventually get better usage but thatís no comfort to the victims of a failed experiment, us.

All of that doesnít challenge your conclusion about the defenestration of VAR.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2019, 01:50:45 AM by purpletrousers »

Offline Ads

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 29529
  • Location: The Breeze
  • GM : 02.04.2021
Re: VAR
« Reply #411 on: September 01, 2019, 01:23:45 AM »
Has to be clear and obvious. Yet it's only use has been to chalk off goals where 1.5mm of a right knee has strayed offside.

Fucking shite.

Offline PeterWithesShin

  • Moderator
  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 57853
  • Location: B16
  • GM : 17.03.2015
Re: VAR
« Reply #412 on: September 01, 2019, 01:31:33 AM »
And to disallow a Man City goal for an accidental handball, but not disallow the Newcastle goal today for the same thing.

Offline Vill I An

  • Member
  • Posts: 1425
  • Hope we stay Premier league !
Re: VAR
« Reply #413 on: September 01, 2019, 01:35:30 AM »
PGMOL's lead on Video Assistant Referees Neil Warbrick on how the Premier League's new system has fared in the two Matchweeks included him saying

"...But as for showing the replay of an incident while the review is in place, as in cricket and rugby, at present IFAB rules state this cannot happen in order not to put undue pressure on the match officialsí decision-making ability.
So at the moment that is not possible."

Question asked : What about the public hearing the refereeís conversations with the VAR, as in rugby and cricket?

Answer : "Because fans are used to seeing it in rugby and cricket, itís become second nature that they can hear those conversations.

At the moment, IFAB protocol doesnít allow for the communication between the VAR and on-field referee to go public.

Remember, it took rugby and cricket years to get to the stage they are at now. Will that change in a similar way in football? Possibly. "

Also Swarbrick says:
"The Premier League has sought to establish a high bar of intervention for VAR. It doesnít want the VAR to re-referee the game. Part of what makes the Premier League so exciting is its flow and it doesnít want to lose that because of VAR."
 

Source:
https://www.premierleague.com/news/1319816

For me
refs & VAR on microphone so we can all hear how the decision is reached is needed.
 

Offline Smithy

  • Member
  • Posts: 4116
  • Location: Windsor, Royal Berkshire, la de da
  • GM : 11.07.2015
Re: VAR
« Reply #414 on: September 01, 2019, 06:45:13 AM »
In the 40 odd games so far, has VAR overturned an on field decision by a ref? I donít mean disallowing a goal, or pointing to something completely missed by a ref, I mean the ref has blown his whistle, and VAR has said, ďNo, youíve got that wrongĒ?

Has a penalty been given by a ref and then rescinded by VAR?

I just wonder how much remit there is - if any - for VAR to contradict a ref for an onfield decision heís made, and if thatís by design, or is just working that way in practise.

Offline The Edge

  • Member
  • Posts: 3052
  • Location: Birmingham
Re: VAR
« Reply #415 on: September 01, 2019, 07:33:31 AM »
Ok it's the day after the event. I've now watched THAT incident over and over. My take is this. The first foul on Grealish was outside the box so VAR coul not have given us a pen. The referee is the culprit here. He's totally on board with the "Grealish is a fucking diver" bullshit. He couldn't wait to wipe the smile off Jacks face so to me it was personal and totally unproffessional bordering on a charge of bringing the game into disrepute. Jack was fouled but in stumbling forward still had the presence of mind to poke the ball to the unmarked Lansbury. He made no appeal for any foul or penalty. He did what we've been calling for him to do. He made a great forward run which completely unhinged Palace.He made a killer through ball and we snatched a last gasp and probably undeserved equaliser. Then Mr Friend let his preconception of Jack take over which totally clouded his mind and he quite literally couldn't wait to "punish" Jack and punish us. It was unproffessional. It was personal. I don't see how he can keep his reffereeing credentials after that. As for VAR i haven't seen them get involved with any decision for fouls outside the box with the exception of offsides. Even there i think it's fatally flawed. You can not give offside when your talking about a few millimetres. At the speed of todays game you have to be 100% certain of the precise moment the ball leaves the foot of the passing player and the system simply isn't accurate enough to do that. My two penneth.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2019, 08:33:02 AM by The Edge »

Online London Villan

  • Member
  • Posts: 6757
  • Location: Brum
  • GM : 27.05.2019
Re: VAR
« Reply #416 on: September 01, 2019, 08:14:35 AM »
Some odd VAR decisions in the leicester game too.

Offline Meanwood Villa

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 3484
  • GM : PCM
Re: VAR
« Reply #417 on: September 01, 2019, 08:26:21 AM »
As with the handball laws I think the use or misuse of VAR has thrown up issues/inconsistencies with the rules around simulation. If there's a situation where there is contact but it is not a foul (which it is arguable is the situation in the penalty area yesterday) is it fair to book the player who's gone down? Being hyper-critical you could say Jack went down flamboyantly and certainly Conor was appealing strongly for a pen even if Jack wasn't. Personally I think it is harsh in the extreme to book someone for diving when there has been contact, see also the Man U player last week. Also I should add I think you could easily have given a pen there and Palace wouldn't have had much complaint. To go completely the other way and penalise us is just baffling. We have been extremely unlucky to be the victim of a ridiculous decision which by all accounts was the icing on the cake of a one eyed display. This has then been compounded by a chain of events that have meant that VAR is in no position to right this wrong.

Offline The Edge

  • Member
  • Posts: 3052
  • Location: Birmingham
Re: VAR
« Reply #418 on: September 01, 2019, 08:50:47 AM »
As with the handball laws I think the use or misuse of VAR has thrown up issues/inconsistencies with the rules around simulation. If there's a situation where there is contact but it is not a foul (which it is arguable is the situation in the penalty area yesterday) is it fair to book the player who's gone down? Being hyper-critical you could say Jack went down flamboyantly and certainly Conor was appealing strongly for a pen even if Jack wasn't. Personally I think it is harsh in the extreme to book someone for diving when there has been contact, see also the Man U player last week. Also I should add I think you could easily have given a pen there and Palace wouldn't have had much complaint. To go completely the other way and penalise us is just baffling. We have been extremely unlucky to be the victim of a ridiculous decision which by all accounts was the icing on the cake of a one eyed display. This has then been compounded by a chain of events that have meant that VAR is in no position to right this wrong.
The one thing you can't blame Friend for is the sending off of Trezeguet. His assault on Zaha while already on a deserved yellow was just plain stupid.  I've been pretty underwhelmed by him up to now. Having said all that i think Chris Kamaras reaction on Sky live commentary was very telling "Kevin Friend seemed very happy to send a Villa player off. He couldn't wait to show the red card and he looked like he relished it" An independant view that tells a story of the refs performance yesterday.

Offline PeterWithe

  • Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4145
  • Location: Birmingham.
  • GM : 06.02.2021
Re: VAR
« Reply #419 on: September 01, 2019, 09:05:30 AM »
Some odd VAR decisions in the leicester game too.

Yes,  the decision to book Wilson for diving was very iffy, a player can fall and it not be either a penalty or a dive. I thought he got the Tienemans one right, it looked bad but I think he was trying to pul!out of the challenge.

 


SimplePortal 2.3.6 © 2008-2014, SimplePortal