Quote from: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 11:33:42 AMQuote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2019, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 11:21:34 AMSuch as? Please elaborate. Bearing in mind this is your opinion, and some people - professionals and spectators alike - have actually been crying out for video technology for a long time now.Better redistribution of wealth, help for grassroots football, the farcical loans system, FFP, re-arranged fixtures and their inconvenience to supporters. Little details like that. Just because those issues exist doesn't mean another problem, like the chronic mismanagement of games by pitch officials, shouldn't also be addressed by the use of video assistant. It's not a case of focusing on one thing to the detriment of others, holistic improvements can be made across the board in tandem with each other.The Chelsea goals against Cardiff last season are a good example of why VAR is needed. I don't have any affinity to either club, but Cardiff should not by rights have lost that game, and when enough of those decisions go against you it means relegation. Hopefully VAR will mean that poor decisions are less of a contributing factor to Villa's fortunes in the PL.65% of those who have voted on this poll obviously don't see it as a problem. As you said earlier, you have your opinion.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on July 04, 2019, 11:27:28 AMQuote from: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 11:21:34 AMSuch as? Please elaborate. Bearing in mind this is your opinion, and some people - professionals and spectators alike - have actually been crying out for video technology for a long time now.Better redistribution of wealth, help for grassroots football, the farcical loans system, FFP, re-arranged fixtures and their inconvenience to supporters. Little details like that. Just because those issues exist doesn't mean another problem, like the chronic mismanagement of games by pitch officials, shouldn't also be addressed by the use of video assistant. It's not a case of focusing on one thing to the detriment of others, holistic improvements can be made across the board in tandem with each other.The Chelsea goals against Cardiff last season are a good example of why VAR is needed. I don't have any affinity to either club, but Cardiff should not by rights have lost that game, and when enough of those decisions go against you it means relegation. Hopefully VAR will mean that poor decisions are less of a contributing factor to Villa's fortunes in the PL.
Quote from: AsTallAsLions on July 04, 2019, 11:21:34 AMSuch as? Please elaborate. Bearing in mind this is your opinion, and some people - professionals and spectators alike - have actually been crying out for video technology for a long time now.Better redistribution of wealth, help for grassroots football, the farcical loans system, FFP, re-arranged fixtures and their inconvenience to supporters. Little details like that.
Such as? Please elaborate. Bearing in mind this is your opinion, and some people - professionals and spectators alike - have actually been crying out for video technology for a long time now.
I'd be fine with it if the guidelines were changed so that the VAR people could only use real time replays, this way only the clear and obvious errors would be flagged up. The use of slow motion is the most damaging as it distorts judgement of the game (particularly for handballs)So the powers that be have rectified this by.....changing the handball laws to make the whole thing into a guaranteed farce
Where possible, how can Villa turn VAR to their advantage? You can guarantee teams like Liverpool and Manchester United etc will be scrutinising VAR through a microscope and training their players/management to make the most of it. Afterall, VAR will be very important for deciding the outcome of many games next season.Should Villa set up its own fully equipped 'video assistance' room with a hotline to the bench. Should we establish 'a line of communication' to our players to get in the referees ear (when appropriate) and as soon as possible. Speed will be of essence.Should we train our players to fall in the box when defending any set piece. Preferably, a player who has no chance of getting the ball. We can then query any goal that is conceded. I am sure there are lots of other things that teams will do to try and turn VAR to their advantage. The most 'streetwise' teams often end up nearer the top of the league!!
I don't like the idea of the game being officiated by someone not there. But I'd be kind of okay with the referee getting a second look if they or their assistants think there might have been something specific happen in a specific incident they're not 100% certain of, something they've already nailed down with the goal line thing. Was it controlled with an arm? Was there a tug back? Was it offside? Was the player taken first or after? We all know the sort of thing. Isn't that how it happens in rugby, the ref asks the question, rather than being told?
Quote from: Lastfootstamper on July 05, 2019, 12:44:52 PMI don't like the idea of the game being officiated by someone not there. But I'd be kind of okay with the referee getting a second look if they or their assistants think there might have been something specific happen in a specific incident they're not 100% certain of, something they've already nailed down with the goal line thing. Was it controlled with an arm? Was there a tug back? Was it offside? Was the player taken first or after? We all know the sort of thing. Isn't that how it happens in rugby, the ref asks the question, rather than being told? In rugby the ref can ask specific questions - such as "is there any reason why I can't award this try" or "Try or no try" The wording makes a difference - with the former the assumption is that it's a try and there needs to be positive evidence to disallow it. With the latter it's all down to the video ref.BUT, the video ref can also draw the refs attention to other incidents during play, foul play, forward pass etc. You may think this sound like interfering, but it's only an extension of what the touch judges do anyway. I appreciate this would be harder in football because it's a faster game.To be honest it works absolutely brilliantly. There is still controversy and some decisions still get called into question, but coupled with the extremely high level of refereeing and the natural respect of players towards officials in rugby, it just works and has improved the game enormously in my view.I get the impression FIFA just wanted to row their own boat with their own system from day one. I do wonder if they ever conferred with world rugby about the merits and difficulties they face when developing their systems. They may have done, but I suspect not.I still think it can be made to work. Rome wasn't built in a day.
I still think it can be made to work. Rome wasn't built in a day.
Quote from: chrisw1 on July 05, 2019, 03:46:33 PMI still think it can be made to work. Rome wasn't built in a day.And what happens to all the games, people and clubs damaged by the shit-show currently in place until they get there?Not a direct repost to you just a convenient point at which to make it I think they should take the results they've got so far and treat them as an experiment, remove VAR worldwide, go into a dark room and work out what needs to happen when it's implemented next time so it only delivers benefits not problems of any sort. That's not too much to ask because at the moment the damage far outweighs the benefit. Get it right THEN implement it.