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Re: VAR
« Reply #1695 on: December 01, 2020, 02:10:09 PM »
It's another example of what's wrong with football that technology is successfully used in other sports but the football powers that be think they can do it better and in the process fuck it up.

For offsides rugby is the best example - look at how they handle forward passes in the build up to a try. If there's a question mark over it, the video ref tells the on field ref to have another look. They stick it on the big screen for all to see, the mics pick up the refs thinking, no daft lines and unless it's an obvious forward pass the try stands.

It's that fucking simple!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1696 on: December 01, 2020, 02:50:27 PM »
It's another example of what's wrong with football that technology is successfully used in other sports but the football powers that be think they can do it better and in the process fuck it up.

For offsides rugby is the best example - look at how they handle forward passes in the build up to a try. If there's a question mark over it, the video ref tells the on field ref to have another look. They stick it on the big screen for all to see, the mics pick up the refs thinking, no daft lines and unless it's an obvious forward pass the try stands.

It's that fucking simple!

There are so many examples of that, but then they just seem absolutely determined to stick pig-headedly to their existing system.  It actually worked a bit like that for the overturned penalty last week.  In telling the ref to look at it again, they basically admitted it wasn't clear and obvious, thus going against their own rules.  Fine if that's what they want to do going forward, but they can't have it both ways.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1697 on: December 01, 2020, 02:59:33 PM »
Absolutely Martin.  It is the excruciating prevalence of "on the one hand this" "but on the other hand that" that is tearing the game apart.  Everybody has to put in their twopennyworth and all the views have their own debating credentials.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1698 on: December 01, 2020, 03:07:34 PM »
Rugby is the perfect example of how it should work.  The on field ref takes responsibility for all decisions, taking advice and even discussing with the video ref as needed asking for replays as needed, but ultimately the on-field ref makes the call.  The only real exception to this is where the video ref is asked to look to see if the ball has been grounded properly, but even then they make it clear what their onfield decision is.

For me I'm ok witth VAR dealing with offside just so long as the parameters are fixed - the boots for example or even the upper body.  I'd be comfortable with them using GPS in the back of the shirt.  The point is everybody knows the parameters - yes theres still interpretation on when the ball is kicked, but I can live with that.  Make the lines a bit wider to give some margin for error in favour of the attacking player if necessary.

But I want to see refs take responsibility for all other onfield decisions.  They should look at every penalty decision on the video screen unless they are 100% happy.  They should be able to ask the VAR to check quickly check any decision they want to and to show replays of any incident they want to.  The VAR should draw their attention to fouls they might not see, like on Watkins yesterday, but the ref should look at it and make the decison.  It doesn't take as long as people think and it would work. 

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1699 on: December 01, 2020, 03:07:40 PM »
Refs should certainly go to the monitor for offsides like last night and hopefully some common sense would be used for the ridiculously tight ones.

More crucial than deciding a penalty given a goal has actually been scored.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1700 on: December 01, 2020, 03:40:56 PM »
It would be interesting if they reset the poll at the top of this page. I'd be amazed if more that 5% are still in favour.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1701 on: December 01, 2020, 03:45:32 PM »
I get sent something on WhatsApp of how it is implemented in the Dutch league. Apparently they have introduced a margin of error by using lines 5cm wide. If the last man and attacker lines are touching VAR does not intervene. Iíd rather ditch it altogether but if they are determined to stick with it that seems a more pragmatic approach - which obviously makes it extremely unlikely theyíll adopt anything similar over here.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1702 on: December 01, 2020, 04:52:28 PM »
In fact, for VAR offside decisions you donít need referees, ex referees or anybody associated with football. You need People with O level maths who are proficient at operating and interpreting measuring equipment.
And on field you don't need a qualified referee you just need an actor who can follow instructions and  is good at pointing and waving.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1703 on: December 01, 2020, 05:09:51 PM »
And completely devoid of respect for the followers of the game.

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« Reply #1704 on: December 01, 2020, 06:01:05 PM »
In fact, for VAR offside decisions you donít need referees, ex referees or anybody associated with football. You need People with O level maths who are proficient at operating and interpreting measuring equipment.
And on field you don't need a qualified referee you just need an actor who can follow instructions and  is good at pointing and waving.

May as well be a Villa fan then.




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Re: VAR
« Reply #1705 on: December 01, 2020, 06:09:23 PM »
GPS in the little device they all wear on their backs would at least identify if the torso of the player is on/offside. What has the game come to that we are discussing that though.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1706 on: December 01, 2020, 06:49:02 PM »
GPS in the little device they all wear on their backs would at least identify if the torso of the player is on/offside. What has the game come to that we are discussing that though.
I actualy think that's a fine solution.  No lines drawn, no woories about toeso or heels, no interpretation.  If the technology works then either a player is offside or he isn't.  Pefrect.  What I'm not sure of is whether the technology is accurate enough though.  I also appreciate this can't be replicated at grass routes, but then neither can VAR.

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1707 on: December 01, 2020, 07:40:28 PM »
It would be interesting if they reset the poll at the top of this page. I'd be amazed if more that 5% are still in favour.

I didn't actually realise I was in the "for" camp. I'm still in favour of it in principle, I just despise how it's been implemented!

I think a reset of the poll would be useful but with an added option of "for but with changes".

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1708 on: December 01, 2020, 08:07:29 PM »
GPS in the little device they all wear on their backs would at least identify if the torso of the player is on/offside. What has the game come to that we are discussing that though.
I actualy think that's a fine solution.  No lines drawn, no woories about toeso or heels, no interpretation.  If the technology works then either a player is offside or he isn't.  Pefrect.  What I'm not sure of is whether the technology is accurate enough though.  I also appreciate this can't be replicated at grass routes, but then neither can VAR.

Well commercial GPS systems are accurate to about 16ft so they'd be a marginal improvement on what we have currently!!

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Re: VAR
« Reply #1709 on: December 01, 2020, 08:28:17 PM »
It would be interesting if they reset the poll at the top of this page. I'd be amazed if more that 5% are still in favour.

I didn't actually realise I was in the "for" camp. I'm still in favour of it in principle, I just despise how it's been implemented!

I think a reset of the poll would be useful but with an added option of "for but with changes".
In principle I think we're all in the "for" column if that just means they get things right. But it just hasn't worked out  that way. It feels like we've gone down the proverbial rabbit hole with it and now we're pretty much stuck there. It's as though logic and common sense have just been abandoned by the officials and with each passing week they seem to find a new cock up that surpasses the one they made last week. I would advocate a total suspension of the system until we can ascertain just what the hell is going on. In fact i think the top brass at every club should insist on it. Even the most hard nosed businessmen amongst them realise that without the fans the game is nothing and we the fans are reaching the end of our tether with this bullshit.

 


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