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Offline sirlordbaltimore

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #405 on: June 24, 2019, 05:21:55 PM »

I don't want us to end up with a bowl


Offline The Edge

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #407 on: June 24, 2019, 05:27:38 PM »
And what's the worst that can happen? We're left with a ground we fill a few times a year and make extra money out of.

Or, we actually back ourselves and act like what we are.; comfortably the biggest club in one of the largest population centres in Europe. Infrastructure is exempt from FFP, so it wouldn't come at a cost of buying exciting players, like £22m Brazlian strikers.

Given Purslow identified Smith for his style, if he fails, we will look for somebody who plays the game in an attractive manner.

We're a big club. What I find embarrassing is not some empty seats. Its looking at the mess that is the North. A converted shallow lower tier, an upper tier that is too narrow to fill the end, with a ridiculous goal post design.

Endless comments about how utterly shit the Upper Witton in particular is as an away end. Cramped and dingy.

That's not what Villa Park is and it's not what we should be about. Strike now and seek to redevelop at the first available opportunity. The support is there. They're queuing up.

Too much Ellis style thinking.
Spot on mate spot on. I mentioned the Nou Camp previously and before anyone laughs im not comparing us to Barca that would be ridiculous. I'm talking about the stadium itself. Probably the most iconic stadium in the world. Theres often 40,000 empty seats but who cares? When the occasion demands it the Nou Camp comes into it's own with over 100,000 in there. And thats how Villa Park should be. When it's full it's glorious and for me should hold at least 50,000. It wont bankrupt the club as our owners are extremely wealthy. What i find embarrassing is the North stand. It's as ugly as sin and the facilities are dire. Rebuilding it is a no brainer in my opinion. Look at Wolves. They have rebuilt their North stand twice in the time since we rebuilt the Witton end. We need to stop thinking like a corner shop club and start thinking like Selfridges!! Ellis has gone now ffs.
« Last Edit: June 24, 2019, 05:30:44 PM by The Edge »

Offline cheltenhamlion

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #408 on: June 24, 2019, 05:48:46 PM »
Leaving it for a season makes sense to ensure we stop up. I would have the planning application in now though to redevelop the North Stand.

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #409 on: June 24, 2019, 05:56:39 PM »
And what's the worst that can happen? We're left with a ground we fill a few times a year and make extra money out of.

Or, we actually back ourselves and act like what we are.; comfortably the biggest club in one of the largest population centres in Europe. Infrastructure is exempt from FFP, so it wouldn't come at a cost of buying exciting players, like £22m Brazlian strikers.

Given Purslow identified Smith for his style, if he fails, we will look for somebody who plays the game in an attractive manner.

We're a big club. What I find embarrassing is not some empty seats. Its looking at the mess that is the North. A converted shallow lower tier, an upper tier that is too narrow to fill the end, with a ridiculous goal post design.

Endless comments about how utterly shit the Upper Witton in particular is as an away end. Cramped and dingy.

That's not what Villa Park is and it's not what we should be about. Strike now and seek to redevelop at the first available opportunity. The support is there. They're queuing up.

Too much Ellis style thinking.
Spot on mate spot on. I mentioned the Nou Camp previously and before anyone laughs im not comparing us to Barca that would be ridiculous. I'm talking about the stadium itself. Probably the most iconic stadium in the world. Theres often 40,000 empty seats but who cares? When the occasion demands it the Nou Camp comes into it's own with over 100,000 in there. And thats how Villa Park should be. When it's full it's glorious and for me should hold at least 50,000. It wont bankrupt the club as our owners are extremely wealthy. What i find embarrassing is the North stand. It's as ugly as sin and the facilities are dire. Rebuilding it is a no brainer in my opinion. Look at Wolves. They have rebuilt their North stand twice in the time since we rebuilt the Witton end. We need to stop thinking like a corner shop club and start thinking like Selfridges!! Ellis has gone now ffs.

All this talk about not affecting FFP and the owners wealth is all well and good but you don't become a millionaire by pissing your money away at the first opportunity.

These guys are proper businessmen and they'll only invest their money if they think it's going to make them a return.  Done properly, the North Stand redevelopment could cost up to £200m on the basis Spurs spent £850m to build their new stadium.  Whilst they're both loaded, I'm certain they don't see that as the kind of money to spend without a cast iron business case behind it to show how it makes them more money.

Turn the squad in to one which is regularly in with a shout of Champions League football and your business case is there.  Do it now and a half empty Villa Park is only one of the problems it causes.

Offline The Edge

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #410 on: June 24, 2019, 06:14:22 PM »
Leaving it for a season makes sense to ensure we stop up. I would have the planning application in now though to redevelop the North Stand.
I think that sounds sensible.

Offline The Edge

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #411 on: June 24, 2019, 06:24:37 PM »
 8)
And what's the worst that can happen? We're left with a ground we fill a few times a year and make extra money out of.

Or, we actually back ourselves and act like what we are.; comfortably the biggest club in one of the largest population centres in Europe. Infrastructure is exempt from FFP, so it wouldn't come at a cost of buying exciting players, like £22m Brazlian strikers.

Given Purslow identified Smith for his style, if he fails, we will look for somebody who plays the game in an attractive manner.

We're a big club. What I find embarrassing is not some empty seats. Its looking at the mess that is the North. A converted shallow lower tier, an upper tier that is too narrow to fill the end, with a ridiculous goal post design.

Endless comments about how utterly shit the Upper Witton in particular is as an away end. Cramped and dingy.

That's not what Villa Park is and it's not what we should be about. Strike now and seek to redevelop at the first available opportunity. The support is there. They're queuing up.

Too much Ellis style thinking.
Spot on mate spot on. I mentioned the Nou Camp previously and before anyone laughs im not comparing us to Barca that would be ridiculous. I'm talking about the stadium itself. Probably the most iconic stadium in the world. Theres often 40,000 empty seats but who cares? When the occasion demands it the Nou Camp comes into it's own with over 100,000 in there. And thats how Villa Park should be. When it's full it's glorious and for me should hold at least 50,000. It wont bankrupt the club as our owners are extremely wealthy. What i find embarrassing is the North stand. It's as ugly as sin and the facilities are dire. Rebuilding it is a no brainer in my opinion. Look at Wolves. They have rebuilt their North stand twice in the time since we rebuilt the Witton end. We need to stop thinking like a corner shop club and start thinking like Selfridges!! Ellis has gone now ffs.

All this talk about not affecting FFP and the owners wealth is all well and good but you don't become a millionaire by pissing your money away at the first opportunity.

These guys are proper businessmen and they'll only invest their money if they think it's going to make them a return.  Done properly, the North Stand redevelopment could cost up to £200m on the basis Spurs spent £850m to build their new stadium.  Whilst they're both loaded, I'm certain they don't see that as the kind of money to spend without a cast iron business case behind it to show how it makes them more money.

Turn the squad in to one which is regularly in with a shout of Champions League football and your business case is there.  Do it now and a half empty Villa Park is only one of the problems it causes.
Redevelping the North stand would not cost anything like 200 million. 50 million sounds more like it but as you say rich people don't waste their money. Didn't Wes Edens oversee knocking down and rebuild an entire stadium in the US?

Offline cheltenhamlion

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #412 on: June 24, 2019, 06:35:35 PM »
If Lerner and Xia had plans to do it, with far less attending interest than we have currently, why wouldn't they consider it?

Offline nigel

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #413 on: June 24, 2019, 06:46:39 PM »
Why 3 seasons? Why not 5? 2? 10?

Last season there was 16,000 match day tickets available for home support  per game and as has been the case in every season before, no fundamental need for a season ticket, as supply exists in good quantities.

Now there are 8,000, including players tickets, Lion Clubs, competition winners and the like. Less than 150,000 available match tickets over the season as opposed to 304,000.

That hugely increases the need for a season ticket, increases demand that for the first time perhaps ever, Villa Park will not meet.

What would any big company do with their product? Twiddle their thumbs and see how it goes apparently, while making sure there's only 2 children in the shop at any given time.

Agree.
My thinking is along the lines of, the owners know that we could, possibly,  sell out on a regular basis this season, so may have already started the initial process. If we have a half decent season I reckon they might go for it.

Don't forget we're a season ahead of schedule (Just going by the 'Promotion not necessary'comments) so the 21/22 season would, probably,  have been the earliest start

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #414 on: June 24, 2019, 07:42:14 PM »
some questions if you donít mind

if you have bought a junior ST how and when do you go through the process of proof of age ?

When do you get the STís has anyone got thereís through the post yet ?

Sorry for my ignorance I have t been a ST holder since the days of MON



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Offline spangley1812

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #415 on: June 24, 2019, 07:49:12 PM »
some questions if you don’t mind

if you have bought a junior ST how and when do you go through the process of proof of age ?

When do you get the ST’s has anyone got there’s through the post yet ?

Sorry for my ignorance I have t been a ST holder since the days of MON





They will send you an e-mail asking you to provide verification of the dob and you can e-mail it into them, new season tickets wont be sent out until the end of July the TO told me
 

Offline oldhill_avfc

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #416 on: June 24, 2019, 07:59:31 PM »
I said this a couple of years into the Lerner era.

It's not a case of will we fill a 50k ground?

It's more like we have to (build and) fill a 50k ground, along with vastly improving the commercial revenues if we ever going to compete at the absolute top level again.

Doing nothing is simply not an option unless we want to muddle along much like Everton are doing at the moment.


Offline The Edge

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #417 on: June 24, 2019, 08:50:44 PM »
I said this a couple of years into the Lerner era.

It's not a case of will we fill a 50k ground?

It's more like we have to (build and) fill a 50k ground, along with vastly improving the commercial revenues if we ever going to compete at the absolute top level again.

Doing nothing is simply not an option unless we want to muddle along much like Everton are doing at the moment.
Agreed. I like your thinking.

Offline john e

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #418 on: June 24, 2019, 08:53:05 PM »
some questions if you don’t mind

if you have bought a junior ST how and when do you go through the process of proof of age ?

When do you get the ST’s has anyone got there’s through the post yet ?

Sorry for my ignorance I have t been a ST holder since the days of MON





They will send you an e-mail asking you to provide verification of the dob and you can e-mail it into them, new season tickets wont be sent out until the end of July the TO told me
 

Thatís great thanks for that

Offline Ads

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Re: Season Tickets 2019/20
« Reply #419 on: June 25, 2019, 06:35:32 PM »
Barcelona averaged 22,000 less than their capacity, yet they're spending Ä250m to add 13,500 extra seats that they'll only fill on occasion.

Their lowest crowd saw 56,000 empty seats.

Purpose isn't to say we're anything like Barca, but to back up the earlier claims and rubbish the idea of being embarrassed by empty seats.