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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #840 on: February 10, 2022, 12:16:52 PM »
He's now playing how he did in the U23s, driving into the box and bringing his finishing into the game. I've said a few times that he just needed to add that part back into his game and we'd see just how good he can be. I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #841 on: February 10, 2022, 12:18:18 PM »

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #842 on: February 10, 2022, 12:23:31 PM »
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

I said exactly that to my mate last night.  It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #843 on: February 10, 2022, 12:33:02 PM »
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

I said exactly that to my mate last night.  It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.

I think it's also a good indicator of how long it can take even very talented youngsters to establish themselves in the premier league.  Who would have predicted JJs importance to the team a year ago? He's always been tidy enough, even from day one, but clearly it's taken him a year or so of semi-regular appearances to really show what he can do.

I hope other promising youngsters get a similar chance.  Chuk is getting the same sort of pitch time JJ did a year or so ago, and hopefully, he can have a similar trajectory - but you never know.  However, not setting the world alight in your first dozen or so appearances does not mean you won't be a top top player.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #844 on: February 10, 2022, 01:47:36 PM »
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

I said exactly that to my mate last night.  It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.

I think it's also a good indicator of how long it can take even very talented youngsters to establish themselves in the premier league.  Who would have predicted JJs importance to the team a year ago? He's always been tidy enough, even from day one, but clearly it's taken him a year or so of semi-regular appearances to really show what he can do.

I hope other promising youngsters get a similar chance.  Chuk is getting the same sort of pitch time JJ did a year or so ago, and hopefully, he can have a similar trajectory - but you never know.  However, not setting the world alight in your first dozen or so appearances does not mean you won't be a top top player.

I'm sure I've posted it before but in my opinion the first 20-40 games in senior football can be very misleading. A lot of very good players don't really find their place until after that whereas others burst onto the scene like they're going to be special but get figured out and never meet the early expectations. Becuase of that I think it's better to look at 'softer' skills when deciding how good someone could be. Do they back their touch and ask for the ball in tight areas? Do they tell senior players where they want them to go when they're looking to pass? Do they move into the right areas (in attack and/or defence) and look like understand what they've been asked to do?

There's many more but, for me, Ramsey showed huge promise in every question I'd want to ask about an attacking midfielder last year and chuk is doing the same this season.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #845 on: February 10, 2022, 01:52:28 PM »
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

I said exactly that to my mate last night.  It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.

A year ago we didn't even think he was the best Ramsey on our books. :)

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #846 on: February 10, 2022, 02:30:07 PM »
I reckon he's leapfrogged to very near the top of the list of the best U21 players in the league now, I can't think of many that are on his level.

I said exactly that to my mate last night.  It’s frightening to think how good he could be in a few years. A brilliant example to the likes of Chukwuemeka and the rest, ie this is the level you need to try to get to.

I think it's also a good indicator of how long it can take even very talented youngsters to establish themselves in the premier league.  Who would have predicted JJs importance to the team a year ago? He's always been tidy enough, even from day one, but clearly it's taken him a year or so of semi-regular appearances to really show what he can do.

I hope other promising youngsters get a similar chance.  Chuk is getting the same sort of pitch time JJ did a year or so ago, and hopefully, he can have a similar trajectory - but you never know.  However, not setting the world alight in your first dozen or so appearances does not mean you won't be a top top player.

I'm sure I've posted it before but in my opinion the first 20-40 games in senior football can be very misleading. A lot of very good players don't really find their place until after that whereas others burst onto the scene like they're going to be special but get figured out and never meet the early expectations. Becuase of that I think it's better to look at 'softer' skills when deciding how good someone could be. Do they back their touch and ask for the ball in tight areas? Do they tell senior players where they want them to go when they're looking to pass? Do they move into the right areas (in attack and/or defence) and look like understand what they've been asked to do?

There's many more but, for me, Ramsey showed huge promise in every question I'd want to ask about an attacking midfielder last year and chuk is doing the same this season.

This is spot on, and one of the reasons why I think it was clear from very early on he was going to be an excellent player for us, despite a lot of the 'he doesn't do a lot though does he' takes. From his first appearance he was always happy to take the ball in any position on the pitch, in tight spaces, retain it and had no issue in dictating patterns of play with more senior players around him.

He's got bravery on the ball, like JG did - the difference between the two is that JJ, as we saw last night, also has an explosiveness and bravery in his direct running off the ball that will put him in a LOT more goalscoring situations, which is fantastic to see when you surround him with creators like Buendia and Coutinho. That attacking trio is so bloody exciting.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #847 on: February 10, 2022, 02:50:46 PM »
He's got bravery on the ball, like JG did - the difference between the two is that JJ, as we saw last night, also has an explosiveness and bravery in his direct running off the ball that will put him in a LOT more goalscoring situations, which is fantastic to see when you surround him with creators like Buendia and Coutinho. That attacking trio is so bloody exciting.
I agree - Buendia, Coutinho, & Ramsey look like they're made for eachother.  To me, they're a top 4 trio of players.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #848 on: February 10, 2022, 02:53:13 PM »
I would like a future scenario in which England are playing and fans are screaming for Ramsey to come on the pitch while Grealish watches on from home.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #849 on: February 10, 2022, 02:55:10 PM »
I would like a future scenario in which England are playing and fans are screaming for Ramsey to come on the pitch while Grealish watches on from home.
Yes.  This is what needs to happen.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #850 on: February 10, 2022, 03:36:01 PM »
He could be scary good in 2-3 years. He's brilliant already to be fair. He's come on another level under Gerrard. Genuinely he could be the next Gerrard/Lampard type of goalscoring attacking mid.
He's got 6* goals this season already. I'd fancy him to hit double figures and to do that at this level, at 20, would be phenomenal. He's ahead of Joe in his development and he's in a position for England where we're not quite as blessed as that wide forward area.

The next stage now will be to work on getting his assists up a little as well as keeping focus and consistency through 90 minutes. At the moment, and it's part and parcel at that age, he can be quiet and then explode into games suddenly. But, I bloody love him. If anything he's ahead of schedule.
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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #851 on: February 10, 2022, 11:26:11 PM »
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #852 on: February 11, 2022, 12:38:17 AM »
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.

Wouldn't be concerned about that all. Hope he gets called up, good for him if he does.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10499099/Gareth-Southgate-considering-Jacob-Ramsey-England-call-stunning-Aston-Villa-form.html

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #853 on: February 11, 2022, 12:40:47 AM »
Ramsey's rise has been meteoric. I am so impressed by him, fabulous player. Grealish was nowhere near this level at that age.

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Re: Jacob Ramsey
« Reply #854 on: February 11, 2022, 12:45:49 AM »
With JJ being linked to an England call up I can't help but wonder whether he will be 'advised' to move to be selected more often.

The tossers on BT Sport last night were already planning on his next move.

 


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