Jacob Ramsey - Gone

[OCD]

If Salah had scored that goal, Sky would have had it on repeat all day.

When people were saying that Aaron was going to be better than Jacob, that was when Jacob was finding his feet in the league. To be saying it now with how JJ is playing and developing, that might be putting a lot of expectation on Aaron's shoulders now and it might be best to move on from that now.

[chrisw1]

I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,

They're not.  He did.  Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by.  As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow.  But last season he was mostly ineffective.  He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.

No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.

Nobody has said he was a technically limited jobbing central midfielder.  People have said the game passed him by, he hardly impacted any games etc.  A few neat touches, a decent amount to of energy, but little more.  It's a bit redundant now as we all agree he's been great this season.  But there's no point trying to rewrite history to try to prove you're some kind of better fan.

[London Villan]

He looked like a 19 year old youth team player last season, this season he looks like a 20 year old premier league footballer.

That comes from experience, additional physical strength and the confidence in himself that he actually belongs.

[eamonn]

He was very close to scoring at the Etihad (to equalise) and at Palace (early on) last season - had either of those efforts gone in, I think people would have sat-up and taken a bit more notice of him earlier.

Must admit, my heart did pang a little for Deano in his post-match interview when he referred to Ramsey by his nickname - "We allowed JJ to run half the field without laying a glove on him".

[Drummond]

I feel like those saying he looked 'ordinary' last season are being harsh,

They're not.  He did.  Nobody was saying he was shit etc, just that the game mostly passed him by.  As you say he was developing and we're reaping the rewards from that mow.  But last season he was mostly ineffective.  He has learn't from that and kicked on, which is great.

No, he didn't. He was very clearly not an 'ordinary', technically limited, jobbing central midfielder - that was never the case. He has exceptional attributes. Inconsistent, sure. As I said, that's like calling 19-year old Grealish 'ordinary'.

Nobody has said he was a technically limited jobbing central midfielder.  People have said the game passed him by, he hardly impacted any games etc.  A few neat touches, a decent amount to of energy, but little more.  It's a bit redundant now as we all agree he's been great this season.  But there's no point trying to rewrite history to try to prove you're some kind of better fan.

Sorry but there really is no need for that at all.

[paul_e]

He looked like a 19 year old youth team player last season, this season he looks like a 20 year old premier league footballer.

That comes from experience, additional physical strength and the confidence in himself that he actually belongs.

I think this is the important thing. For their first 20-30 appearances I expect little rom most youngsters, a few flashes of what theyre about, a couple of silly mistakes and a general air of them finding their feet. If that happens then the next 20-30 appearances are what really matters in working out what they can be. For the players that make it and have careers in the top leagues they kick on and look like they belong by the end of that time, the ones that don't usually end up having middling careers.

The handful who come in and look the bollocks after a couple of games have the effect of making some fans think that's the norm but there's probably been 30-40 teenagers who looked consistently excellent at that age since the premier league started.

I saw enough in Ramsey last year to think he could end up saving us a lot of money, I see the same in Chuk and I'm leaning towards it with Archer and JPB as well.

[Risso]

Fair enough Paul, I do recall you saying similar about Ramsey after the pre-season friendlies.

[LeeB]

I liked Ramsey from the off as well, it was the way he took the ball under pressure, always keeping himself between the ball and opponent.

I like the look of JPB as well, I think he could turn out a bit special, he's got the footwork but there's an awareness and vision too.

[OCD]

JPB will need to learn how to play in Gerrard's system, playing narrow and congesting the middle.

[paul_e]

JPB will need to learn how to play in Gerrard's system, playing narrow and congesting the middle.

He's playedmore central the times I've seen him in the U23s this year so I suspect that was always part of the plan.

[nigel]

He was very close to scoring at the Etihad (to equalise) and at Palace (early on) last season - had either of those efforts gone in, I think people would have sat-up and taken a bit more notice of him earlier.

Must admit, my heart did pang a little for Deano in his post-match interview when he referred to Ramsey by his nickname - "We allowed JJ to run half the field without laying a glove on him".

He changed it for the bbc, he said “We can’t allow a player…” on the bbc sport page

[adrenachrome]

Aston Villa@AVFCOfficialThe best seat in the house for @JacobRamsey28's stunning solo goal.

https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1471154080747864075

[usav]

Love that angle.

[OCD]

Best part of it is he's using both feet to such a degree that if you go by just that clip, you wouldn't know which foot is his best.

[eamonn]

He's a Great Barr baller. As is his brother and his brother's brother too !