Tyrone Mings

[garyellis]

Mings is a good centre half - world class no, but definitely top half PL material. But more than that he is a leader, never hides and seems like a good guy too. I think a big part of Gerrard's downfall was publically dressing down Mings. He is clearly well respected and admired by the players and doing that to him didn't really help Slippy's reputation in the dressing room.

To add to this, Wolves have binned their dressing room leader and look what has happened to their defence since....

This 110%

[stubbsyandy]

Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want

[sid1964]

If the rumours are correct either Tyrone or Konza will be looking for a new club next season

[simboy]

Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want

I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself. 

[Duncan Shaw]

Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want

I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself. 

Probably both - I wouldn't put it past the FA to be thinking along those lines and tell their nodding dog not to pick him.   As has been said many times on this thread, we are a better club and team for having Tyrone Mings and long may that continue.

[ChicagoLion]

I am not sure you can ignore some of his performances.

[Dogtanian]

The thing about Mings for me is that he's never invisible. Some players can disappear in a team and you forget they're playing, but Mings is always putting himself in the action. I'd rather have a player like Mings who makes the odd mistake while trying to lead by example than some of the players we've had who shrink into anonymity.

I love John McGinn, but he's disappeared in a lot of games as captain. We have Mings and Martinez who never shy away, even when they've made a mistake, and are always there trying to lead by example.

As for Mings not being picked for England because he stands up and talks about real issues, I don't believe this is the case. I think back to Yes Minister and the idea that the less you intend to do about something the more you have to talk about it. I think it would suit the FA to have someone like Mings talking about issues that they can point to rather than actually have to do something themselves.

[Risso]

Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want

I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself. 

Exactly. Southgate was at Villa v Chelsea, and Mings decided that was the perfect time to set up Mount for Chelsea's first. Obviously he's played much better than that at times this season, but you can't be making a howler like that in front of the England boss and expect to keep your place, when you're not one of his favourites to start with.

[Dave]

Tyrone is good enough to be in the England squad, the reason he isn’t is because he speaks his mind and conscious and in Qatar that isn’t something our FA would want

I'd suggest it's got more to do with Gerrard's term as Villa manager myself. 

Exactly. Southgate was at Villa v Chelsea, and Mings decided that was the perfect time to set up Mount for Chelsea's first. Obviously he's played much better than that at times this season, but you can't be making a howler like that in front of the England boss and expect to keep your place, when you're not one of his favourites to start with.

Yup. It seems like we basically have Schrödinger's Mings.

Concurrently a liability, a rick waiting to happen who we absolutely need to upgrade on if we want to push on to the European places when discussing his Villa performances but also the best English central defender who only isn't being selected because of his outspokenness. Even though Rashford and Sterling are both in the squad.

[cdbearsfan]

Well, unless you're Harry Maguire. In which case you could smash the ball into your own net five times while singing "he's a massive twat... Gareth Southgate" to the tune of Ultravox's "Vienna" and still get picked.

[ChicagoLion]

Well, unless you're Harry Maguire. In which case you could smash the ball into your own net five times while singing "he's a massive twat... Gareth Southgate" to the tune of Ultravox's "Vienna" and still get picked.

Southgate would probably join in, he likes his players to express themselves.

[nigel]

If the rumours are correct either Tyrone or Konza will be looking for a new club next season

What rumours?
I’ve seen or heard nothing

[Risso]

Well, unless you're Harry Maguire. In which case you could smash the ball into your own net five times while singing "he's a massive twat... Gareth Southgate" to the tune of Ultravox's "Vienna" and still get picked.

Southgate would probably join in, he likes his players to express themselves.

I did qualify my post with "unless you're one of his [Southgate's] favourites."

I think that Southgate has a bad case of imposter sundrome, and his way to stick it to the critics is by not picking players people want him to eg Grealish at the Euros and continuing to play people people say he shouldn't eg Maguire.

[Dave]

I think that Southgate has a bad case of imposter sundrome, and his way to stick it to the critics is by not picking players people want him to eg Grealish at the Euros and continuing to play people people say he shouldn't eg Maguire.

I don't really get the Maguire anger. England have got about a dozen semi-decent centre-backs, none of whom would get in the squad of France or Brazil. Picking Maguire isn't choosing him over '90s McGrath or Maldini, it's flipping a coin on him or Conor Coady or Eric Dier for the team, and him or Mings or Guehi for the squad.

And sometimes, the thing that clinches it is "playing really well for you in the past". On his Villa form, Eriksson should have dropped Vassell a long time before he did. But Vassell fitted better in the England system than the Villa one, so he kept getting picked.

If some really promising centre-backs had been brought in a year ago with the plan of making a ten year partnership (I dunno, Tomori and Guehi perhaps) then fine, that should probably have happened.

But it didn't, so we've decided that the guy who was really good in the latter stages of the last two international tournaments is worth sticking with for a bit. It's fine. It's making do with a weak spot in your team in the absence of an obviously better option.

[cdbearsfan]

How many bad games has Mings had for England? If that's the main qualification, he should be in.