Tyrone Mings

[N'ZMAV]

Can’t read the game at all.

It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.

Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.

[Clive W]

Can’t read the game at all.

It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.

Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.

Totally agree but it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him with McGrath

In my lifetime, I can think of only Moore, Baresi and Beckenbeur (sp?) who could be compared with McGrath in their ability to read the game

[brontebilly]

I can see England finishing the group with 4 points - Iran [W], USA [D] and Wales [L].

We'll be sent home early, Southgate will get his marching orders, Potter's dismal run at Chelsea will continue and he'll get potted, and then he'll be the next England manager. I'd be amazed if Gerrard got it considering the mess he made of us!

You could argue that Mings, Watkins and Dougie could all be packing their bags for Qatar if we'd not had that clown in charge for so long.  ☹️

Wales are useless. Two 1-0 wins in first two games and a dead rubber in last. The squad seems very light on centre backs as there's no way Walker is match fit and Southgate will play with a back 5.

[Dave]

I can see England finishing the group with 4 points - Iran [W], USA [D] and Wales [L].

We'll be sent home early, Southgate will get his marching orders, Potter's dismal run at Chelsea will continue and he'll get potted, and then he'll be the next England manager. I'd be amazed if Gerrard got it considering the mess he made of us!

You could argue that Mings, Watkins and Dougie could all be packing their bags for Qatar if we'd not had that clown in charge for so long.  ☹️

Wales are useless. Two 1-0 wins in first two games and a dead rubber in last. The squad seems very light on centre backs as there's no way Walker is match fit and Southgate will play with a back 5.

I'd guess five points, win against Iran and draws against USA and Wales, topping the group. Surprisingly comfortable round of 16 win against Senegal, smashed by France in the quarters.

[Chris Smith]

Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight.  They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.

I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.

[LeeB]

Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight.  They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.

I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.

I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.

[pauliewalnuts]

Can’t read the game at all.

It’s all last action hero gung ho save the day shit.

Stuff Pail McGrath never ever had to do.

Totally agree but it’s probably a bit unfair to compare him with McGrath

In my lifetime, I can think of only Moore, Baresi and Beckenbeur (sp?) who could be compared with McGrath in their ability to read the game

Agree on both counts on this.

Absolutely, I like Mings but he is a body-on-the-line 'stop the danger once it has begun' defender rather than 'stop it happening in the first place' at which McGrath was a genius.

[Nev]

Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight.  They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.

I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.

I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.

Well I was shitting myself at home whenever he went near the ball and that was from the outset, goodness knows how the players felt.

[Risso]

Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight.  They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.

I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.

I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.

You could see it when Chambers tried that crazy pass straight to a Man U player rather than trust Olsen with a simple pass. Mind you, the feeling from Olsen was probably similar, Chambers was atrocious.

[LukeJames]

That Chambers 'pass' was absolutely mind blowing, for all the wrong reasons.

[simboy]

Not a single defender covered themselves in glory tonight.  They were proper ropey. Unai will sort it.

I feel a big part of why the defence struggled in the second half was that they lost faith in the keeper which lead to nervousness and a number of avoidable errors.

I agree Chris, it makes a massive difference as a defender when you're confident in your keeper.

You could see it when Chambers tried that crazy pass straight to a Man U player rather than trust Olsen with a simple pass. Mind you, the feeling from Olsen was probably similar, Chambers was atrocious.

Was that the one in the first half?

The Olsen pass for the third was pretty spectacularly shite

[LeeB]

It was a great pass, zipped in straight to feet. Just the wrong colour shirt.

[Drummond]

Olsen was the main issue last night.

If you start comparing any player to Paul McGrath, you'll always be disappointed.

[Risso]

Bringing a central defender on is always a strange substitution, Mings is at his best when he's got the ability to read the game and set the tone from the start. Coming on a sub he was just chucking himself about like a mad thing, which wasn't what was required at all.

[LeeB]

Bringing a central defender on is always a strange substitution, Mings is at his best when he's got the ability to read the game and set the tone from the start. Coming on a sub he was just chucking himself about like a mad thing, which wasn't what was required at all.

It's an odd thing being a sub. Some people can come on and fire straight away, others need to work up to speed. I always felt I need 10 minutes and a few touches to get into the game