Tyrone Mings

[olaftab]

Playing for England is not the gold standard. McGuire, Stones and Shaw play for England.

[eamonn]

As soon as a player gets picked for England, fans of opposing clubs are quick to dismiss them.

[brontebilly]

If Luiz, McGinn, Nakamba or whoever don't have the technical ability (McG or Naka) or moral courage (Luiz) to take the ball off the back on the half turn under pressure then Mings shouldn't be trying to cover for their failures by running it out. It was a clear tactic from Leeds to allow that last night and we fell into their trap.

How exactly was that trap and how did we fall into it?

We nearly scored from one of those breaks and none of their goals came as a result of Mings carrying the ball out of defence.

We made a few defensive mistakes (as a unit) and they were punished, it wasn't because of some masterplan Bielsa came up with to target Mings by letting him have space on the ball.

A few defensive mistakes? Leeds pressed hard on likes of Luiz (who hid let's be honest). They wanted Mings to have the ball. He ran the ball nearly out of play at one point after a mixup with Digne. That wasn't an accident.

We did nearly...score from that break before half time. But I'd far prefer if Mings stuck to the basics.

[astonvilla82]

Yes they can 🖕 from me as well

[john e]

Playing for England is not the gold standard. McGuire, Stones and Shaw play for England.

That’s one of the points people are making though
There is a real lack of quality central defenders not just in this country but across Europe

If you had 50-70 Mill to spend on a centre half who would realistically come who do you go out and get
Because I’ve got no idea

Mings and Konsa are as good as most of the central defenders in the league look at those two at Spurs last night getting absolute pelters today
I am like a stuck record saying that they are decent defenders when they do the basics right but lack quality in technical areas including ball control and composure
and I would love us to bring someone in who could take us to the next level in that area but who is it ?

Sometimes you just got to make do with what you’ve got
Hopefully there might be one or two coming through from the youth and Academy side

[Beard82]

Playing for England is not the gold standard. McGuire, Stones and Shaw play for England.

That’s one of the points people are making though
There is a real lack of quality central defenders not just in this country but across Europe

If you had 50-70 Mill to spend on a centre half who would realistically come who do you go out and get
Because I’ve got no idea

Mings and Konsa are as good as most of the central defenders in the league look at those two at Spurs last night getting absolute pelters today
I am like a stuck record saying that they are decent defenders when they do the basics right but lack quality in technical areas including ball control and composure
and I would love us to bring someone in who could take us to the next level in that area but who is it ?

Sometimes you just got to make do with what you’ve got
Hopefully there might be one or two coming through from the youth and Academy side

Agree with this 100% - they both good players - if they were any better they wouldnt be playing for us quite frankly - because there are so few good center halfs around. 

I think having a dm that could give them a bit of cover, and take the ball off them so they can stick to the basics more often is the best bet.

I get the frustration people have with them both - but they are exposed a lot.  They were one of the best pairings in the league last season. 

[Jon Crofts]

Here’s a fact for you.

Tyrone Mings has committed more errors directly leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.

[ChicagoLion]

Here’s a fact for you.

Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.

I think that pretty much settles the argument.

[brontebilly]

But he's an England international centre back?

[Flamingo Lane]

Here’s a fact for you.

Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.

I think that pretty much settles the argument.

What 'argument' does it 'settle'?  What is the source of the 'fact'?  Have the figures
been simply aggregated over a period of time that just happens to be the last three years?  Might any allowance be given to the total number of games played by each player that may happen to feature on the list, so as to give some sort of average figure per game?  Is there any allowance for the number of goals conceded per team?  Might it not be unreasonable to expect that a central defender will figure high on such a list?  How is an 'error' defined, for the purpose of such a list?     

[astonvilla82]

If some of the other twats who were defending for the Leeds third goal from the Leeds corner had waken up and got out quicker for them not to put it in the box perhaps they might not have scored

[amfy]

Here’s a fact for you.

Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.

I think that pretty much settles the argument.

No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.

[Sexual Ealing]

Here’s a fact for you.

Tyrone Mings has committed more errors leading to opposition goals than any other outfield player in the past 3 Premier League seasons.

I think that pretty much settles the argument.

No it doesn’t. What a bullshit stat.
Firstly - that title is always going to be held by a central defender because they are the ones whose job is to be in the position to make that mistake.
Secondly, if this is across the whole division (the sentence doesn’t actually make that clear as it seats premier league seasons not teams), then it also points to what players around him are doing. Maybe we can look at how often he is left in a position to NEED to clear a ball, or not have any options to clear a ball. Errors don’t happen in isolation. We’ve had a worryingly leaky defensive midfield for 3 seasons, & full backs trying to be wingbacks & not always managing it, & a defensive partner who seems to manage to look amazing alongside Tyrone Mings, but strangely inept when he’s not there.

Applause!

[passport1]

Pick up good fee for him and move him on .He's not good enough for the level Villa wish to play at.

[Abbeyfealeavfc]

 Is this not the kind of arrogance we'd be slating the scab 6 for?