Tyrone Mings

[Drummond]

I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?

So I think this was answering me about who. Which company?

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Chris watch this. Tyrone explains more in his own words about taking the knee. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12250817/mings-taking-the-knee-has-not-lost-its-power

Then if you disagree with anything he says let us know. It’s maybe a better way to do it than disagreeing with something that someone else has made up that Tyrone is thinking that you’ve read or heard somewhere. At the moment any time you’re challenged on something you’ve said, you then move the goal posts of your argument.

Explain clearly what you’re disgruntled about based on what Tyrone is actually saying about the protest.

[chrisw1]

People opposed to 'taking the knee' just want to associate it as support for the BLM political movement.  It's not.  It's just become a gesture against racism - to highlight racial inequality and discrimination. 

If you boo it you aren't opposing politicisation of sport, you aren't opposing a political movement.  You're just using that as a cheap excuse to show your disdain for a gesture against racism, that is all.  You're using it as an opportunity to legitimise your racism.  You can't get away with monkey chants anymore but you can justify this with some self righteous rubbish about being against politics in sport.  You disgust me.  I want you out of our club.

[chrisf]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

[dr.chekov]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

Great, but again, who are Tyrone's corporate masters?

[Percy McCarthy]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

Nothing they do suggests you don’t care about racism. Your booing does that.

[Smithy]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

Remember a couple of pages ago when I pointed out that people booing the knee while pretending it's in support of a political movement would continue to boo regardless of the 'gesture' being taken against racism, because to them, the knee isn't the issue, it's because they consider it all 'woke nonsense'? 

I didn't expect my point to be proven literally true quite so quickly.

[chrisf]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

Remember a couple of pages ago when I pointed out that people booing the knee while pretending it's in support of a political movement would continue to boo regardless of the 'gesture' being taken against racism, because to them, the knee isn't the issue, it's because they consider it all 'woke nonsense'? 

I didn't expect my point to be proven literally true quite so quickly.

Now that is bang to rights. Guilty as charged.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Chris have you watched either video I shared of Tyrone talking about the protest directly? Keen to hear your thoughts on what he has to say.

[Zouch Villa]

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

So presumably by the same logic you would boo national anthems and any minutes silences/applause before a game?

It seems to me you are offended by the BLM movement, and so question peoples motivations for wanting to demonstrate their support for anti-racist sentiments, if so the problem is with you not them.

[Smithy]

I don't want to boo Tyrone but will boo Tyrone for taking the knee to his corporate masters. Who do you think Tyrone is takiing the knee to?

Isn't Aston Villa his corporate master? 

Seriously though, the fact that people believe nonsense like this is why we can't have nice things.  People will choose to believe whatever confirms their own biases. The fact that Tyrone has articulated why he kneels, several times - along with other England players and the team's manager - is of absolutely no interest to some people.  And it's because they're so deep into it now that it's impossible to admit they're wrong.  Instead, they'll latch onto anything that makes them feel 'correct', even if that means pretending the England players are all lying. 

Cognitive dissonance is a powerful master.tive

Cognitive dissonance is long words for "you're being lied to". It can be fucking hard work.

That genuinely isn't what cognitive dissonance means.  I guess we should just add that to the list of things you haven't understood over the last few pages?

For the record, cognitive dissonance is a defence mechanism your brain takes on your behalf to protect you from the uncomfortable feeling of being 'wrong' about something causing you conflict. Our brains love consistency you see.  Often you'll see people dismiss the evidence of their own eyes and ears and latch on to some other explanation that makes them feel 'correct'. That's why it's so closely linked to confirmation bias.

A good - and entirely hypothetical - example would be if a group of high-profil people undertook a brief but very public gesture, and then repeatedly explained why they were doing it, but then some people decided to ignore these explanations and instead to latch onto a six-year-old interview with a woman on the other side of the world as a much better reason for them taking the knee.  Because that way their brains can continue to feel 'correct' about the issue.  To all outside observers, they are demonstrably wrong about it, but internally, they feel entirely justified.

That would be textbook cognitive dissonance.

[Pat Mustard]

I thought Tyrone played very well against Croatia. I've been a critic of his concentration and performances at times, but he's generally been an excellent signing. Good in the air, loves to block, brave, fast, strong, has a lovely left foot, too. Everything I want from a centre back really.

Off the field, what's not to like? Sorry chrisf, but I don't really see where you're coming from. If you don't agree with Mings taking the knee, that's your choice, fair enough. But booing him and others for doing so, I don't get that.

For me it's jumping on the bandwagon of unpleasantness.

Other than the Villa, my other sporting passion is F1. I'm a massive Lewis fan have been since he first appeared. I think F1 handled the whole thing much better. There were initial suggestions obviously from Sky that the drivers that didn't want to take the knee were a bit racist but the drivers stuck to their guns and now they all gather for a 'We Race As One' signal that they're all thoroughly virtuous before every race.

I'd boo that too if I was there because I'd paid to watch them race cars not to show me how caring they were and suggest implicitly that I was a bit less caring than I should be.

Do you basically spend your life booing stuff you don't like and haven't paid to see then?  It must get pretty tiring for everyone I'd have thought.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Have you watched either interview yet?

Every book club has someone who turns up week in week out, loads to say but has only read half a review of the book - that’s you. Don’t be thick as well as racist.

[chrisw1]

Chris watch this. Tyrone explains more in his own words about taking the knee. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12250817/mings-taking-the-knee-has-not-lost-its-power

He speaks so brilliantly here.  They should play some of this on the big screen before England games.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Chris watch this. Tyrone explains more in his own words about taking the knee. https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12250817/mings-taking-the-knee-has-not-lost-its-power

He speaks so brilliantly here.  They should play some of this on the big screen before England games.

Such a good idea. He’s so eloquent. He leaves no space to misunderstand what it’s all about.