The International Cricket Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Deary me. Dismal.

[Gareth]

A mere blip….we just need to knuckle down and play some high standard domestic 50 over cricket in the summer to get our mojo back


Ohhhhh

KP Skips Munchers vs Scampi Fryers it is…..

[simboy]

The reality is that we do not have the bowlers who can adapt between formats. They get smashed for 18 an over for four overs in 20/20 and that’s “acceptable”. Then people like Carse, Overton, Archer, et al come into the one day game and seem unable to adopt the skills they need to bowl at the death of an inning. We went for over a 100 in the last 10 yesterday, whilst taking 2 or three wickets. Maybe acceptable in 20 over games, certainly not in 50 over games.

The top order seemed to have adjusted after the Indian series - the bowlers didn’t. Time to seek out good one day players, rather than 20/20 - with suitable skills to play that game.

And if I am being critical, where’s the variety in the attack? Willey or someone like bowling medium pace left arm over? A left arm spinner? A medium pacer who varies what he does. I didn’t understand why one of the Currans didn’t go. They both bowl with a bit of variety and offer more batting at 9 than our current incumbent.

Horses for courses … now if we only had some courses to judge those players by rather than another short format in the 100

[paul_e]

As I've said, it's the middle overs where we consistently fail. During the initial powerplay we often get a couple of wickets and we generally take wickets at the death but we just don't get them in the 10-35 over stretch in the middle and that allows teams to treat the end of the match as if it's a t20. If you are offering a threat in the middle overs you take away some of the assurance teams have that they can just slog at the end. Put simply you don't win many ODIs if the opposition have 6-7 wickets in hand going into the last 10-15 overs and we give them that position in almost every match.

What I think is harder to be sure of is exactly why this happens, is it a lack of variety/skill in the bowling or is it that we have the mindset of caring more about run rate than wickets in that period. Either way we need to find a way to stop teams from having such an easy time getting from 50/3 to 250/4.

Specific to yesterday, having 3 of their top 4 out for single figures after 9 overs will have put us in position to win the game but then we let Ibrahim settle and barely threatened him for 30 overs so he just milked runs and then had the platform to score big at the end and take the game away from us. We've seen the same pattern too many times, Inglis did it in the first match, Gill (twice) and Sharma did the same in the Indian series. We just make it far too easy for someone to be a hero against us.

[Villan For Life]

Where are these good one day players? They will be very difficult to find when we don’t have a domestic 50 over first class competition.

Yet again we have failed in an ICC competition and the inevitable overhaul will follow. We’ve been loyal to the class of 2019 and haven’t nurtured the next generation so it will be a long time before we are a force in white ball cricket again.

[aj2k77]

50 over team are pathetic. Batting brain farts non stop. The approach to building an innings is shit. They look like they can't be arsed if they can't slap the ball to the boundary all the time.

[Steve67]

50 over team are pathetic. Batting brain farts non stop. The approach to building an innings is shit. They look like they can't be arsed if they can't slap the ball to the boundary all the time.

I think this has crept in since Baz took over.  The test side also has this issue, they'd rather score 50 really quickly than build to a hundred over 90 overs.  Drives me mad. 

[PaulWinch again]

It’s not as bad in Tests the team is better balanced. They do do maddening things and have the odd stinker of a game but there is a good side there. The white ball side just isn’t good at the moment and the balance is all wrong.

[paul_e]

It’s not as bad in Tests the team is better balanced. They do do maddening things and have the odd stinker of a game but there is a good side there. The white ball side just isn’t good at the moment and the balance is all wrong.

Today the batting has clearly failed but I think the real problems are with the ball. Take Archer and Rashid out of this team and there's just no threat. Livingstone is fine as the 6th bowler but the whoever we pick for the other 3 main bowling spots has been shit other than the odd standout performance here and there. It's been the same problem for a couple of years now and it's completely ruined the confidence of the team.

[cdbearsfan]

Teams facing unusual Dubai travel plans for semis - https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/c4ge929dengo

Could they give India any more advantages? Perhaps their opponents could bowl twelve ball overs or only be allowed to bat one-handed?

[Villa Lew]

It's going to be Sir James Anderson fully deserved.

[cdbearsfan]

Cricket at LA 2028 will be six-team T20 tournament - https://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/articles/cvg9dl0vnp7o

Sounds a bit Mickey Mouse, especially if America get a place as host. You'd be basically having four out of five proper teams going through to medal matches. Two groups of four would be better, IMO.

Will be interesting to see how they schedule matches, as California is just about the worst possible timezone for Indian TV.

[manic-road]

14 year old Vaibhav Suryavanshi is likely to be a name in cricket for a long time if he keeps playing like he is, batting for Rajasthan Royals against Gujarat Titans, he took down some of the world's best bowlers in a 38-ball innings that included 11 sixes and seven fours in a knock of 101 in the IPL.

[PaulWinch again]

Regardless of talent - which is clearly there - I am very uncomfortable with a 14 yr old being exposed to that scrutiny and being able to play if a fully adult competition.

[cdbearsfan]

In fairness, IPL is only a couple of months, isn't it? Imagine he'd still be able to do that and keep up with school work, etc. More of a problem if he's being picked by India and playing all year round.