The International Cricket Thread

[olaftab]

Stokes effort was great but what's disappointing is that at 7 down and only 60 odd required England were totally useless. There has to be more grit in the tail.

[olaftab]

And again that runout/stumping (not sure about official status)  of Bairstow was blatant cheating.

[aj2k77]

Snidey, titty babbie aussie wankers. Maybe we can stop being their chums now and start giving them some stick and getting in their faces. They're ******, always have been and always will be. These are the same guys that threw a young 20 something year old batsman under the bus to take the blame for something obviously cooked up by the management. Get Wood in next test and start dishing out some chin music and rattling helmets.

[Steve67]

Just realised that Tongue was England's third highest run scorer in the second innings with just 19. 

[aj2k77]

And that sand paper debacle, 100% it wasn't the first time they used it. There's no way that on that day they decided to do something they've never done before.

[German James]

And again that runout/stumping (not sure about official status)  of Bairstow was blatant cheating.

More a stumping I should think, as Bairstow was wandering up middle of the wicket, not trying to get a run. It wasn't cheating and I don't even think it was underhand. The ball was still in play and it was a clever bit of play which caught out a batsman behaving sloppily.

[ChicagoLion]

Even if some ex players struggled with dealing with the stumping, at least the crowd at Lords knew what had happened.
I suppose they did not want to upset prescribed narrative.

[German James]

Stokes effort was great but what's disappointing is that at 7 down and only 60 odd required England were totally useless. There has to be more grit in the tail.

Agree with that.

[German James]

Even if some ex players struggled with dealing with the stumping, at least the crowd at Lords knew what had happened.
I suppose they did not want to upset prescribed narrative.

What narrative is that?

[ChicagoLion]

Even if some ex players struggled with dealing with the stumping, at least the crowd at Lords knew what had happened.
I suppose they did not want to upset prescribed narrative.

What narrative is that?

You again.

[Richard E]

Stokes effort was great but what's disappointing is that at 7 down and only 60 odd required England were totally useless. There has to be more grit in the tail.

Agree with that.

Tongue and Anderson made a decent fist of it for the last wicket.

[German James]

Even if some ex players struggled with dealing with the stumping, at least the crowd at Lords knew what had happened.
I suppose they did not want to upset prescribed narrative.

What narrative is that?

You again.

It was a genuine and honest question!

[taylorsworkrate]

Stokes effort was great but what's disappointing is that at 7 down and only 60 odd required England were totally useless. There has to be more grit in the tail.

Agree with that.

Tongue and Anderson made a decent fist of it for the last wicket.

They did, which makes the way Robinson in particular came out and played look all the more pathetic. The game isn't completely over when Stokes got out and Robinson is capable with the bat. If he was under instruction to do that then the instruction was pathetic

[Beard82]

Lyon going off injured when we were 190/1 in our first innings should have been the defining moment of the test match and perhaps the series as a whole. It was such a wonderful opportunity.

Agreed. Both is this match and first Test there were moments to grab it and England didn't.

I think that's the biggest difference / frustration - when its really mattered we have let it slip, often through poor batting choices.  We need to take encouragement from the fact that even though we made a lot of mistakes - we ran them close twice.   

I think it is with the batting where we have let ourselves down - our bowling attack just isn't as strong as theirs so we need to make sure we put as many runs on the board.   

Refresh the attack, and a bit more measured at key times I think we can win at Headingly and go from there. 

[olaftab]

And again that runout/stumping (not sure about official status)  of Bairstow was blatant cheating.

More a stumping I should think, as Bairstow was wandering up middle of the wicket, not trying to get a run. It wasn't cheating and I don't even think it was underhand. The ball was still in play and it was a clever bit of play which caught out a batsman behaving sloppily.

Cricketing etiquette was burnt to death on this one. It is normal to recognise certain next steps by all participating with a nod etc. Which means respecting the fact that expected course of action will prevail. When the Keeper is not standing up  it is normal to expect that ball in his gloves is going to be dead when batsmen clearly have no intention of seeking advantage. What Carey did was to violate that understanding. May be not cheating  technically but nevertheless a sneaky underhand act that will always be regarded as cheating on a cricket pitch and pavilions across the world.