Quote from: dcdavecollett on December 24, 2022, 07:05:02 PMBe a shame if this is true. I thought Jofra was badly used by Root at times.If a player with that pace is bowling more than 4 overs in a spell then the captain doesn't know how to use him, in my opinion.
Be a shame if this is true. I thought Jofra was badly used by Root at times.
The way Stokes uses his bowlers would suit Archer.
Quote from: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2022, 01:43:25 AMThe way Stokes uses his bowlers would suit Archer.Agreed. To me, the thing that characterises the approach Stokes & McCullum have taken so far is intuitive pragmatism. Play every moment on its merits.Stokes knows what it's like to be a workhorse bowler. Unfortunately, a workhorse pace bowler just does not exist. If we want Archer bowling 95mph, he isn't going to be able to do that over long spells.Stokes, as a bowler who can generate good pace, knows that. So I trust him to work things out.
Quote from: paul_e on December 24, 2022, 09:29:20 PMQuote from: dcdavecollett on December 24, 2022, 07:05:02 PMBe a shame if this is true. I thought Jofra was badly used by Root at times.If a player with that pace is bowling more than 4 overs in a spell then the captain doesn't know how to use him, in my opinion.Not sure about that Paul, particularly if he is opening the bowling. There are going to be timed when premier bowlers are going to have to bowl fairly long spells to try and secure wins.
Quote from: tomd2103 on December 25, 2022, 11:20:42 PMQuote from: paul_e on December 24, 2022, 09:29:20 PMQuote from: dcdavecollett on December 24, 2022, 07:05:02 PMBe a shame if this is true. I thought Jofra was badly used by Root at times.If a player with that pace is bowling more than 4 overs in a spell then the captain doesn't know how to use him, in my opinion.Not sure about that Paul, particularly if he is opening the bowling. There are going to be timed when premier bowlers are going to have to bowl fairly long spells to try and secure wins. To come back to this, in a session you should be bowling 30 overs and balanced teams will have at least 5 bowlers (with 1-2 batting all rounders in there) so you're looking at around 6 overs per session each. Having 1 do a little less but be the big impact option is just sensible. For me that bowler should be Archer or Wood (or maybe Stone if both are unfit), someone who can be over 90mph for the entire spell. Stokes will largely have similar short spells but is more suited to stretching things out for a few extra overs if needed so he acts as the balance in our team.I think a big part of our problem recently is that it's beena while since we've had a genuine quick that we can rely on to be fit, rather we've had loads of 80-85mph guys who are more suited to longer spells so we've forgotten how to use real pace.
Quote from: Rory on December 26, 2022, 03:22:40 AMQuote from: PaulWinch again on December 26, 2022, 01:43:25 AMThe way Stokes uses his bowlers would suit Archer.Agreed. To me, the thing that characterises the approach Stokes & McCullum have taken so far is intuitive pragmatism. Play every moment on its merits.Stokes knows what it's like to be a workhorse bowler. Unfortunately, a workhorse pace bowler just does not exist. If we want Archer bowling 95mph, he isn't going to be able to do that over long spells.Stokes, as a bowler who can generate good pace, knows that. So I trust him to work things out.I do find cricket captaincy quite intriguing really, especially the tactical side of things.
Going back to bowlers' workloads Paul, I remember Devon Malcolm being ruined as a bowler in the 90s. He was seriously quick, like Archer and Wood now, but had to be used as a stock bowler as England's batting was so crap that they had to pack the side with batsmen to make up for the fact that many of them weren't good enough.As a member of a five bowler attack, used in short spells as a strike bowler, Malcolm would have made far more of an impact than he did.
Risso, I know it's about impressions unless you have a speed-gun system that everyone is happy with, but I thought that day he bowled some deliveries that were the fastest I've ever seen. He clearly frightened some of the SA batsmen out.It was great to see Allan Donald applaud his efforts at the end.