Dean Smith - Confirmed

[dave.woodhall]

That old chestnut - I can moan all I iike about something because this is a forum and I'm allowed to have my say on it, but when I get asked what I'd do instead it isn't my job.

[Villa75]

That old chestnut - I can moan all I iike about something because this is a forum and I'm allowed to have my say on it, but when I get asked what I'd do instead it isn't my job.

True, on every single point. Well done.

But we're still left with a manager who's not doing the job we hoped he would. So we're no better off.

[Dave P]

He'll be here next season, at least for a while.

I've already seen enough to be sure that he won't be here long term though. He's not got it in him to take us back to where we want to be.

Looking at him lately, I think he knows it as well.

What have you detected from “looking at him” that gives you your insight?

Anyone who judges his long term prospects on trying to get a tune out of this bunch of misfits needs their bumps felt.

He looks like he hasn't got a clue what's going on, let alone now to change it.

If two players being absent is enough to expose his limitations to this degree, then he's not the manager most hoped for.

But, hey. Let him sign 18 of his own players and he'll have us playing like Brentford and finishing mid table.

I know it's only going to take another year or so of my life but, I can hardly wait.

So who would YOU bring in then?

Ah. That old chestnut. The manager might not be up to it, but who would a random stranger put forward that's not as shit? And if you can't think of a name we should keep the guy who's not up to it.

It's not up to me. There are people at the club paid a lot more than my wage to decide who.

If you pushed me into a corner though, I would have to say, someone better. You know, someone who can cope with losing two players without everything turning to shit for two months.

I’m glad it’s not up to you to be fair as we’ll be changing our manager more often then our underwear.

[sickbeggar]

I'm still in the " inherited a shit squad, hasn't been able to change it" camp. Obviously if its still this bad next seaon that will change. I understand the other camp's viewpoint that the manager should be doing better with these players (although not the more delusional going for promotion lot). My arguement against that is we had a manager who had a reputation for moulding average/poor players into a promotion outfit up until October, and that's why Smith got the job..

[The Edge]

He'll be here next season, at least for a while.

I've already seen enough to be sure that he won't be here long term though. He's not got it in him to take us back to where we want to be.

Looking at him lately, I think he knows it as well.

What have you detected from “looking at him” that gives you your insight?

Anyone who judges his long term prospects on trying to get a tune out of this bunch of misfits needs their bumps felt.

He looks like he hasn't got a clue what's going on, let alone now to change it.

If two players being absent is enough to expose his limitations to this degree, then he's not the manager most hoped for.

But, hey. Let him sign 18 of his own players and he'll have us playing like Brentford and finishing mid table.

I know it's only going to take another year or so of my life but, I can hardly wait.

So who would YOU bring in then?

Ah. That old chestnut. The manager might not be up to it, but who would a random stranger put forward that's not as shit? And if you can't think of a name we should keep the guy who's not up to it.

It's not up to me. There are people at the club paid a lot more than my wage to decide who.

If you pushed me into a corner though, I would have to say, someone better. You know, someone who can cope with losing two players without everything turning to shit for two months.

I’m glad it’s not up to you to be fair as we’ll be changing our manager more often then our underwear.

Once a month? That would be ridiculous

[Villa75]

I'd quite like to see what he does with his own squad to be honest.

You saw it, with Brentford.

Admittedly they didn't win all that many, and finished about mid table, but they often played good football whilst not winning very many.

Perhaps, us being Aston Villa, other teams will let us win a few more, when he's got his own squad and we're playing better football.

We can only hope.

[Dave P]

Maybe we should go for a promotion specialist?

[Ads]

I saw his Brentford play good football. I would hope we'd be able to attract a betyer quality of player generally than Brentford (although there are a few I like).

[Richard E]

Maybe we should go for a promotion specialist?

Don Draper was good at promoting things. What’s he up to these days?

[Villa75]

He'll be here next season, at least for a while.

I've already seen enough to be sure that he won't be here long term though. He's not got it in him to take us back to where we want to be.

Looking at him lately, I think he knows it as well.

What have you detected from “looking at him” that gives you your insight?

Anyone who judges his long term prospects on trying to get a tune out of this bunch of misfits needs their bumps felt.

He looks like he hasn't got a clue what's going on, let alone now to change it.

If two players being absent is enough to expose his limitations to this degree, then he's not the manager most hoped for.

But, hey. Let him sign 18 of his own players and he'll have us playing like Brentford and finishing mid table.

I know it's only going to take another year or so of my life but, I can hardly wait.

So who would YOU bring in then?

Ah. That old chestnut. The manager might not be up to it, but who would a random stranger put forward that's not as shit? And if you can't think of a name we should keep the guy who's not up to it.

It's not up to me. There are people at the club paid a lot more than my wage to decide who.

If you pushed me into a corner though, I would have to say, someone better. You know, someone who can cope with losing two players without everything turning to shit for two months.

I’m glad it’s not up to you to be fair as we’ll be changing our manager more often then our underwear.

Again, the wrong man is being blamed here.

I'm not the one who keeps hiring managers that have us struggling, season after season.

[Three Spires Villa]

That old chestnut - I can moan all I iike about something because this is a forum and I'm allowed to have my say on it, but when I get asked what I'd do instead it isn't my job.

Well I’m not a manager, or club director, I’m not employed to sort this out. To be honest when MON left Martin Jol was the answer, before Bruce Sean Dyche, before Dean Brendon Rodgers, there answers for you. Now who knows if any of them were available, I don’t& neither do most people. I don’t want another manager, but come on, if it’s poor, just say it’s poor.

[sickbeggar]

Was MON the answer? I think the question is easier to answer depending on the quality of players and money to buy them you have. A lot of people on here thought OGS was the answer, a lot of United fans think he is now but he certainly wasn't at Cardiff

[Three Spires Villa]

I never said MON was the answer, I said Martin Jol, at that point in our history would have been a very good choice. If your post was replying to mine

[sickbeggar]

I never said MON was the answer, I said Martin Jol, at that point in our history would have been a very good choice. If your post was replying to mine

Yes it was though i wasn't having a go. Just a general comment that the more money and better players you have, even a pretty average manager isn't going to get a team relegated. I think even Bruce could have threatened the top6 with the money MON had, and RDM did it with chelsea. It's when your down at our level that a good manager really makes a difference.

[Three Spires Villa]

I never said MON was the answer, I said Martin Jol, at that point in our history would have been a very good choice. If your post was replying to mine

Yes it was though i wasn't having a go. Just a general comment that the more money and better players you have, even a pretty average manager isn't going to get a team relegated. I think even Bruce could have threatened the top6 with the money MON had, and RDM did it with chelsea. It's when your down at our level that a good manager really makes a difference.

Yes I agree, and we all have opinions on managers who could have been good. I certainly don’t expect everyone to agree with the three options I mentioned. I’m just really confused as to what has happened, what is happening & what we bloody do next