John McGinn

[Risso]

My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.

We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.

[Nelly]

Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.

[Clampy]

My son asked me why some Villa fans think he’s so good. I told him it’s a sentimental hangover from him being a top championship player making them blind to the fact he’s pretty mediocre in the PL.

Yep. He’s a plodding, one paced midfielder whose passing is mostly average to crap, and who doesn’t score enough goals or create enough assists. If he played for somebody else, I doubt that football geniuses like john would be dying for us to sign him.

Do you not rate him? You've not mentioned it before.

We're up to 220 pages in the John McGinn thread. If you've got something new to say, let's hear it.

Nah, that's ok. I'm sure you'll update us tomorrow though.

[edgysatsuma89]

Outside of this forum he is one of the most overrated, along with Luiz. From what I've gathered on here I think he's rated about right, a mixed bag.

[Drummond]

He looks great at times and awful at others. Other teams appear to covet him, ex player pundits rave about him.

I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.

[Allan C]

Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.

This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??

[Steve67]

His favoured position is what? Further forward? I’m still waiting for him to kick on when he’s playing further forward. I’m still not seeing it and the stats for goals and assists don’t stack up as yet.  I am genuinely hoping that SJM comes of of his shell with better players around him and we see this fabled player. He’s in there somewhere, I am sure. Not giving up on him yet.

[Legion]

He looks great at times and awful at others. Other teams appear to covet him, ex player pundits rave about him.

I think he's better whne he keeps it simple and isn't trying to force games. And again when he's in his favoured position.

Agreed. I think he's great. Super, even.

[Nelly]

Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.

This is a problem with some people on these threads, it’s always someone else’s fault, it’s the coaches fault, it was the previous coaches fault, they’re playing out of position, “he didn’t see eye to eye with Beale”. Maybe it is actually that he’s not quite good enough at this level ??

"Some people". Sure, Allan.

It could be that he's not good enough, that's an option. Let's at least replace him with better before we write him off. Also, I do think it's worth a go playing him in his favoured position - I thought footballers trained all day to specialise in what they do best? Extreme example, but would we be okay with sticking Emi Martinez up front and writing him off if he doesn't deliver a glorious return?

[DC1874]

A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Someone on a different thread alluded to the idea that Beale going might be good news for McGinn as the two may have not seen eye to eye. Maybe he will be refreshed under a new coach? Maybe integrated nearer his preferred role?

If we are building a squad that might be able to compete on multiple fronts, I'd be very surprised if there was no room for McGinn.

The only thing I heard these last few months from SJM was he'd been told by SG that he needs to start living like a professional footballer and change his diet. Maybe Beale had mentioned it to him previously, thus a potential fall out but once SG told him he knew he had an issue.

For what it's worth, I think SJM has been playing too much football both for us and Scotland these last few years. I also wouldn't be surprised if he was brought back too early from his injury. Add to that playing out of position until it was pointed out to Dean how many goals he was scoring for Scotland and then being undroppable under SG. The fat fucker needs a rest. I love him and I'm sure come the new season we'll see the same SJM we all saw on our return to the PL, hopefully with a fresh pair of legs.

[pauliewalnuts]

A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

[Risso]

A player played in the wrong position for me - he's a cracking attacking midfielder as his goal vs Spurs 1st season back can testify! Alternatively, if you want to hate him cos he's a Jock then fine, but as a Mick (as the BBC seemed fine with some Public School Rupert saying the other day) then I suspect there's a bit of an agenda with having a go at a player who only cost us £3M from Hibs!

I think the fact he cost next to nothing will be a problem for absolutely nobody, or will the fact he's Scottish!

That goal you referred to is a good point - that's what he can do, we've seen that. We just haven't seen him do it for quite a long time now.

And we've never seen him do it in the Premier League more than three times a season. He played as one of the most attacking of the midfield three for most of last season, and still couldn't score.

[pauliewalnuts]

I also think, there's a strange situation whereby outside the club he appears to be highly rated (if you believe the press talk) to the extent that he's the sort of player we'd get offered a lot of money for.

From that, I'd say that I'd rather sell a £20m player for £45m than a £45m player for £45m.

[cdbearsfan]

Hibs/St Mirren get 15% of any fee between them. I'd want £50 million if we considered selling. We'd need about £59 million to get that.