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Offline ozzjim

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2100 on: September 22, 2020, 12:09:45 PM »
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

As opposed to English people all absolutely committed to a healthy lifestyle 24/7.

I don't think he nationality has anything to do with it.

I also think he is good enough, both technically and mentally for this level. I just think he takes a bit of time to get to peak fitness. In fairness to him, I thought he actually looked stronger in the last 10 than he did the middle part of the game, almost like a second wind hit him.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2101 on: September 22, 2020, 12:13:05 PM »
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Is he class though?  Personally I'm not sure he's good enough at any one aspect of the game to be a Premier League starter.  He was absolute gash yesterday and has been for ages now.

I think he did enough at the start of the season before getting injured to show he could be a decent player at this level. However he has been awful since the injury, and has had plenty of time to gain form now. We need better competition for places, so he can be benched whilst he finds form. At the moment I would be picking Hourihane and Nakamba ahead of him.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2102 on: September 22, 2020, 01:19:39 PM »
I'm starting to think he's not cut out for this level.  Great player in the Championship obviously, but other than a couple of games he just hasn't done it at PL level.   Hourihane the same.   Badly need something in midfield to complement Doug, who is exceptional.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2103 on: September 22, 2020, 01:50:40 PM »
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.

No racism intended but I will just go ahead and smear three nations. Class act.

Roy Keane said something similar a few years back about some unnamed Irish players.

The condition McGinn came back from injury last season wasn't really acceptable as was clearly carrying surplus weight. couldn't really tell last night  if it was still an issue but it should be the easiest thing for a professional footballer to correct. I'm still a big fan and confident he will turn it around. But Smith letting him try to play himself into form needs to end.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2104 on: September 22, 2020, 01:52:54 PM »
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2105 on: September 22, 2020, 02:15:25 PM »
I thought he was looking better in Arsenal and West Ham games. Looked like he was back up to speed and then gets another 7 week break where he loses intensity.

Was really poor last night so it's frustrating.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2106 on: September 22, 2020, 02:40:20 PM »
Some players just take longer to get back to full fitness, whether that's due to injury or the summer break. I think he hasn't been up to speed since the injury, probably his metabolism and not because he's spent the summer on a diet of buckfast and deep fried mars bars. Certainly wouldn't drop him at the moment, play him against bristol andif  in 4 games time he's still off the pace, then maybe start worrying.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2107 on: September 22, 2020, 02:46:13 PM »
It doesn't really matter why he's playing shit. The fact is, he's playing shit.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2108 on: September 22, 2020, 02:58:37 PM »
It doesn't really matter why he's playing shit. The fact is, he's playing shit.

Well it depends. If you think he's shit because he's off the pace, then we have to get him match fit otherwise he will remain shit. If you think he's shit through loss of form or just being found out in the Premier then yeah drop him.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2109 on: September 22, 2020, 03:04:23 PM »
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

Yeah, I can't find the link now, but I was sure I read about some recurrence/relapse during lockdown that would have put him out for the season (if we weren't locked down).  He didn't come back in the summer having been training for three months, he was JUST back in full training.  Clearly he wasn't as fit as he should be, and quite rusty.

I think last night he looked fitter (and a little lighter), but still pretty rusty.  Misplaced passes, miscontrols etc.  That said, I've no doubt he'll play himself into form.  Jack is also notorious for starting the season slowly until he's up to proper match fitness - I guess that's just the way with some players.

If we're still wondering about his fitness/form in another four or five games, then I'll start to be concerned.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2110 on: September 22, 2020, 03:04:27 PM »
Fuck me, he's had two major injuries to get over before being rushed back in, give him time.

He's class, he'll get there.

Rushed back in?!  He was back in training in March and played his first competitive league game in June!!!

He's then played just as much first team football as everyone else for the past six months.

I get that he's a fan favourite but how long does his free pass last?!

He broke his ankle again in March.

According to who?

He gave an interview in May and never mentioned it - https://www.glasgowtimes.co.uk/sport/18480525.scotland-aston-villa-star-john-mcginn-says-horror-ankle-break-nearly-bad-facing-relegation-st-mirren/

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2111 on: September 22, 2020, 03:08:47 PM »
I'm not sure he broke his ankle but he did have a setback of some kind because Smith mentioned it.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2112 on: September 23, 2020, 12:35:44 AM »
Smith needs to back his words with action - another horror show next Monday and McGinn needs to be dropped. Competition is what will propel us forward and we canít carry midfielders no matter what went before

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2113 on: September 23, 2020, 12:52:09 AM »
He needs a run out against Bristol City. A good game will help his confidence.

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Re: John McGinn - signed
« Reply #2114 on: September 23, 2020, 01:20:40 AM »
I suspect his appetite for the hard yards has declined sharply.  No racism intended but Celts are prone frequently to be tempted by less than full fitness lifestyles.  Many exceptions of course of totally committed Scots, Welsh and Irish players but lots have form for battered Mars bars diets.  He will be back.  Of that you can be sure.
Nah, it's not racism. But it is bigotry. The kind that makes many of us from Scotland, Ireland and Wales wonder why we are still yoked to the English.

 


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