NSWE Investment

[olaftab]

I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

Man city include it in both, match day and commercial, and enter it as an expense not revenue. Not sure how they get away with it?

[claret+blue ed]

If we was re-locating for a couple of years, we probably wouldn't need to cater for 27k ST's, if we went to Coventry for example, i'm sure not everyone would want to or could afford to travel there for every game

[Brazilian Villain]

Two thousand for us riff-raff? Cheers, you shouldn't have...

I've heard Dogtanian would give you the shirt off his back.

*but only if it's one of his Villa shirts that he thinks is cursed.

[Beard82]

so its fag packet - but there match day turn over is 72m - they have a capacity of 53k - so make approx 1,350 per seat per season.  So with our capacity of 42k * 1350 per seat comes to about £57m

So the answer is increase the capacity to 52 or even 60K Mr Heck.

yeah - but were only making 19m from 42k - so there is  another nearly £40m that could be made without increasing capacity. 

At our current earnings per seat - adding another 10k or 20k seats would only add another 2m - 4m of revenue.  So our problem isnt capacity its earnings per seat.  And I think that is what heck thinks - hence why all prices are up, GA+ etc etc.  To use a term im sure he would use - "the low hanging fruit" - is getting more out of fans without having to do any major infrastructure investment - as he has a 3 year goal.

Whilst looking at the above conversations, these numbers arent current or reflective - I think that is clearly the appraoch.  And I would think cancelling the north stand rebuild has more to do with his short term targets, then anything else. 

[Dogtanian]

Two thousand for us riff-raff? Cheers, you shouldn't have...

I've heard Dogtanian would give you the shirt off his back.

*but only if it's one of his Villa shirts that he thinks is cursed.

I bought a replacement home shirt the other day, although we couldn’t beat Man U on its debut.

[olaftab]

If we was re-locating for a couple of years, we probably wouldn't need to cater for 27k ST's, if we went to Coventry for example, i'm sure not everyone would want to or could afford to travel there for every game

Plus the club could free up ST's for more revenue GA sales by offering protected status to ST holder till new stadium is ready if they do not wish to renew for relocation.

[pauliewalnuts]

Well, the problems with the ground aren't solely in the North and if they want to do more at once then moving out for a bit would be necessary.

I think if they were happy just doing the North they'd have done it or at the very least just delayed it.

I think they'd just build an entirely new ground.

Over £100m just to do the North Stand they said, I think you're right, it's not just about that stand and they'd just have 3 other stands in need of work, to one degree or another.

[Chip Butty 111]

I’m sure I saw something a year or so back in one of the yearly accounts match threads that seemed to suggest that our hospitality and other stuff was included in our commercial income and not matchday revenue.

Man city include it in both, match day and commercial, and enter it as an expense not revenue. Not sure how they get away with it?

I wouldn't believe a word Man City say about finances. A City STH sits near me at work, their tickets are not expensive. And their fans are not the type to be spending a lot in the stadium. If you asked City to show you the calculations for match day revenue they would be 'unwilling to co-operate' no doubt. Villa fans are at breaking point regarding prices, as illustrated by Bologna tickets being on sale to anyone with a booking history. Best of luck to the club if they think they can get another £30M a season out of supporters , we haven't got it to give.

[Percy McCarthy]

Is there any prospect of legislation changing the ratio for rail seating? Still 1:1 at the moment, but Purslow used to talk about the possibility of 1:1.8.

That would give us quite a bit of extra GA capacity in suitable areas.

[itbrvilla]

Is there any prospect of legislation changing the ratio for rail seating? Still 1:1 at the moment, but Purslow used to talk about the possibility of 1:1.8.

That would give us quite a bit of extra GA capacity in suitable areas.

Cant see it myself, the concourses are rammed as it is as they were designed for 1:1.

[DrGonzo]

£50m quids worth of shares sold to Atarios (? sounds like cross between a crisp and a computer to me), aparently taking their staake to over 30%.  Xmas shopping spree on the horizon?

[Percy McCarthy]

£50m quids worth of shares sold to Atarios (? sounds like cross between a crisp and a computer to me), aparently taking their staake to over 30%.  Xmas shopping spree on the horizon?

You’d think the powers that be at the club will know where we stand PSR-wise, and whether we can spend and how much. But I can’t see the Atairos investment being available in that budget. The accountant crew on here will know more than me though.

[ChicagoLion]

It depends on whether they have bought existing shares or new shares have been issued and sold to them.
I am not an accountant.
I believe they now hold 30% which would mean that there is a fairly comprehensive shareholder agreement in place between Wes,Naz and Atarios.

[DrGonzo]

They’re new shares I believe. So that would make it a fresh investment.

[OCD]

31% to be accurate. You have to wonder what the long-term plan is. Are they looking to be majority shareholders?